Let's talk about OHP, /fit/.
How deep do you go? On my warmups I touch my clavicle but for my working sets I just wait till the bar is completely under my chin then press it up.
Is there anything wrong with doing seated instead of standing? I'd rather not hog a power rack to OHP and seated is just how I've always done it.
I'm working on 5x5 at 125 lbs right now.
>>36554750
I bring the bar to the clavicle for both warmup and working sets
I'm at 3x5 at 125lbs
You do seated with a barbell?
I find my gym has a lack of barbells, not a lack of racks.
>>36554924
My university gym has two dedicated overhead press stations that are almost never in use. They look like pic related. We also have a shitton of barbells.
>>36554972
thats a chest press.
Not an OHP
>only going to your clavicle
Pretty sure you're supposed to go from where you rest it on your chest m8
>>36556055
nice b8
>>36554750
I don't count it as a full rep unless it goes from touching my clavicle to lockout.
Going to just above your clavicle makes the rep easier, similar to how not touching the bar to your chest on bench makes the rep easier.
Standing makes you lock your core, back and legs to perform the lift.
>>36554972
Holy calves batman
>>36556055
The seat is literally 5 or so degrees from perpendicular with the ground
>>36556336
>not touching bar to chest makes rep easier
Literally what, how in the hell would spoto presses be easier than touch n go bench?
>>36556572
u srs?
how have you never heard of half reppin
>>36554750
touch the top of your chest then press it up
you don't develop as well if you don't, we all know that pressing it from a dead stop on the clavicle is the hardest part of the press
180x3 here
>>36554750
Seated takes out a lot of the kinetic chain, and what makes it a full body exercise. If you sit down you won't engage your core as much.
I touch the bar to my clavicle. but I can't find a comfortable position to rest it so the tension never leaves my arms.
Can press 1pl8 1RM
>>36556572
A spoto press is held at the bottom position. A touch and go bench is not.
>>36554750
The most important question is: do you use hip bounce and backward lean?
Strict press masterrace here.
>>36554750
Everyone has different proportions, I wouldn't risk the shoulders by going all the way down unless it feels good to you. Besides, pretty much everyone agrees that the push press is superior to the OHP in every way, the bottom of the lift is of no interest to anyone
Besides, it's not a competition lift lol, the people saying you have to go all the way down are being elitist for no reason other than the fact that being zealots over moving weights around is the only thing in life they can brag about
>>36556693
>Besides, pretty much everyone agrees that the push press is superior to the OHP in every way, the bottom of the lift is of no interest to anyone
???????
>>36556633
It's still stict press if you don't bend an the knees m8
>>36556776
ehhh, it's iffy. generally a little leanback is needed in order to not smack the shit into your chin on the upward press but you know when you're just doing a standing incline bench
>>36556799
A good quick combination of a hip thurst and backwards lean helps me to get a better leverage when the bar is at face-high, after that I get it over my head and it's all good from there.
>>36556851
>hip thrust
woah there pal, that ain't very strict.
>but rippetoe
dgaf ain't strict fu k outta here.
>>36556851
Yeah exactly, it helps with leverage. So you're abusing momentum to achieve the lift. Same as a pull up.
>>36556851
What does hip thrust mean here? If you're bending your knees at all then it's a push press nothing wrong with it but it's not OHP.
>>36556851
Well yeah of course its easier over your head. At that point it's basically just triceps extension and since you can bench/dip more than you can Press, that part will be easy.
OHP is hard because of the initial grind off the clavicle.
>>36556897
He means this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBmiBqp-AI
>>36556875
I want to see you claim how you can achieve an OHP lowered directly onto the top of the chest without any degree of leanback and without smashing your chin here
>>36556914
There's nothing wrong with that honestly from an OHP strict point of view just like below parallel and actually calves to glutes it's self imposed strictness doesn't really matter.
>>36556926
You lift your head up and keep the chin away without moving your hips or lower back.
Once I've taken the bar from the rack I tighten my entire body from my feet to my lats, then I move my head out of the way and drive the bar up without any movement in the torso or lower back. I wear a belt to keep it extra right too. I push down through the floor with my feet the same time as I push the bar up.
>>36556993
Illustrate it.
you and I both know there is SOME degree of leanback involved here. Unless you're nochin mcgee or longneck cuntface you can't get that bar out of the way of your chin without it
>>36556860
The only time I can see a hip thrust being okay is on the first rep with heavy ass weight. Without the stretch reflex, getting something like 175 off the delts is tiring as fuck and can wreck the rest of your set. Though if you're using it every rep you might as well just be push-pressing.
>>36556875
Why are you so salty? It literally ads zero upward momentum to the lift since legs are still straight.
Pic related is Klokov pressing. He doesn't have to use this technique, because he holds the bar with C&J grip (bend wrists), so that is the thing that gives him proper leverage. I don't use wraps so that would wreck my wrists, and with wrist straight up, it's much harder out of the hole. Try it yourself even with lower weight, it's much easier if you bend at the wrist.
>>36556743
see
rippedtits >>36556914
and
>>36556972
My OHP is stalling at 1/4pl8 for 3 weeks now, how do I increase?
>>36557019
It definitely adds upward momentum - if it didn't, there would be no reason to do it, y'know? You use your core to transfer the horizontal momentum of the thrust up your body, popping the bar up off your delts.
>>36557063
More volume.
>>36557078
should I lower the weight a bit and do more reps?
>>36557060
rippetoe doesn't say that, and he is showing that guy going down to his chest. what am I supposed to be seeing here?
>inb4 that's a push press
Iunno if I'd call it a strict press but it sure as fuck isn't a push press.
>>36557084
same weight, more reps/sets
>>36557064
Whatever let's you sleep at night. You push the bar forward, not upwards to get better position for push. Using your back as a catapult is not really good idea above 1.5plate ohp.
>>36557137
ty helpful anon
>>36557090
it's definitely not a push press.
the press rippetoe is currently teaching was introduced with the 3rd edition of the book, and it's how the press was done back when clean and press was a competitive lift. rip likes it because it gives you a little bit of momentum through the most difficult part of the movement, thus allowing heavier weights to be used, but it doesn't remove parts of the ROM like the push press does. he believes it's the best version of the press if the goal is to get as strong as possible. the press they taught before the 3rd edition of SS was a stricter version.
>>36557084
What I'm doing is - if you reach 3x5 with ceratin weight, go for 3x6 next workout and 3x7 on another one. Next time, you should be able to do 3x5 with higher weight. I've been stalling for a long time too, and OHP takes fuckload of time to progress on without microplates. 92,5 kg OHP here.
>>36557180
>>36557084
And also, do your sets quick. Rest between sets enough so you won't have to rest between certain reps - it's very taxing.
>>36557180
I've been increasing my number of sets, but I'll try this.
>>36556633
Nice triple dubs.
>>36554750
Do seated ohp, ignore the kenetic chain fanboys, you are doing them as a compound movement for your shoulders, on shoulder day, you can put more tension on your shoulders sitting down, do planks and shit for your abs afterwards if you're bothered about that.
>>36557090
You should be seeing rips starting his OHP from above the clavicle which is what I was saying all along. Start the OHP from where the barbell lays naturally instead of artificially forcing it down to touch your body for no benefit
>>36557486
Bullshit, as if you're actually referencing rippletits, you don't know shit mate.
>>36557017
that better be in kg son
>>36556633
I use stretch reflex off the top of my chest all the time and lean backwards sometimes when grinding out one last rep
Never use leg drive at all though unless intentionally doing push presses or jerks
>>36556926
You tilt your head back as you begin to press up
Then drive your head forward as the bar path clears your head and go to full extention
If you have good flexibility and a modicum of chest development the bar should rest at the very top of your chest right below your clavicle at the very bottom, allowing a pretty strictly vertical path past your face without having to move your head too much
Then as your head comes through where the bar was you are in a mechanically advantageous position to drive it up and slightly behind your head as your chest comes forward with your head to lock it out above your center of mass
>>36557213
Agreed, pausing at any point during an OHP set especially at the bottom means I might be able to grind one more rep at most
I lose the rhythm and my body just focuses on stabilizing the weight where it is and not on keeping moving it
Personally I go from my clavicle to full extension for my first rep and after that I go down to my chin.
I like to do this so that I always have tension on my shoulders and triceps. This is done for 5x10 at 60kg.
>>36557577
Pls no bully, anon-senpai.
My shoulders and chest are ridiculously weak, (even moreso than the rest of my weakling body) even 175 lbs is very far away :(
>>36554750
Bar: Clavicle or front delts if I am coming from a clean and press
Axle: right under chin as you have described
Log: it rests wherever it goddamn well pleases
>>36554750
I go from full lockout to touching my upper chest below my clavicle, thats a good and solid "1". I make sure my shoulders are warmed up properly and i push my elbows forward and have never had joint issues
>>36556343
kekd heartily
>>36557224
>compound movement for your shoulders
>shoulder day
