Thinkinging of starting to use front squats for quad gains, but I'm a beginner who has only lifted for four months. For strength, are front squats ok?
>>36516800
Kek
>frontsquats without a clean grip
Pathetic weak and not mobile nigger
Also : Front squats > Back squats
Source : Olympic wlifter are way better squatters than powerlifters (IPF, I'm not even talking about Zhir's demi-squat or shits like this
>>36516800
For overall strength, back squats are a lot better.
Like you said, front squats are better for quad development, and they're definitely not bad for leg development.
The only thing I'd say is to make sure that your form is good as you progress. I think I remember Candito having a video with some really good tips.
Front squats looks cooler. This is a valid reason to do them
Last time I tried front squats I almost passed out. How do you not choke youself with the bar?
>>36517223
By not doing them the retarded bodybuilder way.
But seriously, the bar is supposed to be racked along your shoulders and kind of forms a bridge over your clavicle, so it's natural to feel like you're being choked and you just have to suck it up and deal with it. Builds character.
>>36516833
Lol @ front squats being better than back squats. You realize they use like half the musculature of back squats right?
>>36517223
>>36517422
Dad from calvin and Hobbes?
>>36517223
Don't lean back like a pussy.
I've started doing strictly front squats because I have some imbalances between my two legs and I feel like front hits the weaker one better. Lately every time i try back squats my form feels so jacked up.
>>36516800
Guys how can I integrate getting possessed by demons into my routine?
>>36517714
Lower weight means lower muscle right? That's why your lowbar squat is far superior to my front squat, right?
Or maybe weight for different exercises has no impact on muscle growth.
Google front vs back squats
>>36517223
fix your fucking posture
>>36516800
Front squats are great but they serve a very specific purpose. It's an accespry to back squats. For normie standards, back squats are already going to make your quads ridiculously big
>>36517937
The way your spine is upright in the front squat means your back has way less of a moment meaning muscles work less.
Back squat pushes your torso forward more increasing the moment arm resulting in more musculature used.
Please learn basic biomechanics before you shitpost.
>>36517966
First of all, moment arm and moment are different things.
A larger moment arm means LESS force needed to provide the moment, not more.
Don't act condescending when you have not passes high school physics
>>36518053
>>36518053
What-the-fuck-ever. If you want to be pedantic, then fine. The point remain the same, less musculature is used in the front squat than the back squat. Its irrefutable.
>>36518077
Thats not true, whatsoever. don't call me pedantic when I'm refuting your main point.
Where are you getting that front squats work the muscles less? The muscles need to create a larger force proportional to weight, so even though weight on front squat is less, the force produced by the muscles is the same, and the muscles get worked the same.
Front squat+rdl>Back Squat
Prove me wrong, you worthless "power"shitters
>>36518102
Your back is upright in the front squat. You literally are using less muscle keeping the weight up regardless of how much weight you are using.
You are slightly bent in the back squat meaning you need larger muscle recruitment to keep the weight up even if you were using the same weight you wet back squatting.
I'm running out of ways to explain this. Idgaf if you believe me or not, its pretty basic stuff if you think about it.
>>36518138
I'm talking about legs, you are talking about lower back. That's where the difference is coming in.
I thought it was common knowledge that back squat recruits more lower back and front squat recruits more abs. Noone's arguing that.
Buts that's like saying push press is superior to military press because it uses more muscles and bigger weights.
>>36518179
I am talking about overall musculature usage. Back squat uses more, there is absolutely no argument here.
But that doesn't mean it's superior, otherwise, as I said, everyone would be doing push press and kipping pullups
>>36518212
Well I mean in a strength training application more musculature utilized means everything. It's the reason deadlifts are so popular, that lift uses almost the whole musculature of your body.
So if back squats use more musculature than front squats, it would follow that back squats is the better excersise. You follow this logic?
>>36518053
A larger moment arm needs more force, not less
10lb *10moment arm = 100moment
10lb *50arm = 500moment
>>36518386
https://steinhardt.nyu.edu/scmsAdmin/uploads/006/008/Gullet%20et%20al%202009%20-%20J%20Strength%20%26%20Conditioning%20Research.pdf
"The front squat was shown to be just as effective as the
back squat in terms of overall muscle recruitment, with
significantly less compressive forces on the knee"
>>36518387
Lets say we want a moment of 100
moment arm(R) = 5,
RxF = M
5xF=100
F=20
Moment arm =10
RxF=M
10xF=100
F=10
>>36517965
I don't feel like high bar hit my quads as hard as front squats ever did, maybe my form was shit idk
I only do them if I'm not 100% from last workout
I squat 3 times per week 5x5
if I'm fucked up on wednesday I'll practice front squats instead
>>36518428
You have having the weight at the end of the arm doing the moving in your equation. The arm extends from the force applier to the application.
Think about it: if you hold weight out in your hand, you need more force to curl a 50lb dB than a 25lb dB. Yes, you need less weight in your hand to apply rotational force on your shoulder, but that's not what you're trying to show/solve for
>>36518419
Listen man, I'm done arguing about this shit. I have nothing to gain here. Keep thinking what you think and ill do the same
>>36518465
That doesnt have anything to do with the differing positions of a front vs back squat though. if you are trying to create a moment of X at your elbow, its gonna require more force for a shorter arm.
>>36518387
>>36518428
Could you retards use proper abbreviations, kek
>>36518488
Ok then mr wise ass
R1 = [.5,0,0] ft
R2= [1,0,0] ft
M1= 100 i
M2 = 100 i
RxF = M
Happy now?
>>36518508
Sorry that should be 100k, not i
>>36518429
Literally what I said. Front squats hit quads harder, hammies less. But back squats are enough quad work already unless you're pro pwg
>>36518488
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>>36518487
Sorry, I'm on my phone.
What I'm trying to say is
Weight (w, in lbs)
Arm (a, in inches ")
Moment (m, no unit)
10lb * 10" = 100 moment
A 10lb weight 10 inches put from point of rotation will imply 100 moment units of rotational force
100lb * 10" = 1000 moment units
A 100lb weight held 10" out will apply 1000 units of rotational moment force upon the point of rotation.
10lb * 100" = 1000 moment units
A 10lb weight held 100" out will apply a 1000 moment unit rotational force.
A 300lb loaded barbell 3" forward of hips = 900moment
A 150lb barbell 1.5" forward of hips = 300 moment
![front-squat[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uKpxyyi.jpg "front-squat[1].jpg")
>>36516800
I'm so damn glad that I can do them the right way.
Also I feel bad for them who can't use it as the main squatting way.
>>36518589
That's not moment created on muscles, that's moment needed to stabilize, very different
>>36519318
By not on
>>36519104
That guys mobility is shit
> mfw I can't for the love of god frontsquat bc shoulders don't allow my arms to go up past parallel in this position and bar starts rolling when standing up
>>36517927
Kekekekkeke
>>36518113
Zercher Trumps All.
>>36516833
Video related is a powerlifter who's better at squatting than any Olympic squatters ever.
https://youtu.be/Oo1tU1YqPp0
>>36516800
For strength, back squats is the strict answer.
However,
Front squats are dope for beginners. You should definitely be doing both front and back squats on different days. Back squat issues manifest more dramatically in the front squat, and correcting your front squat translates to a better and safer back squat. Despite moving more weight in the back squat, it's easier to disguise and compensate for errors in form, until you have deeply ingrained poor habits, and knee/back/elbow pain reveals you're doing something wrong. Then you start deloading, you're confused and demotivated etc. Videoing yourself squatting is essential, the only exception being a paid coach is watching you. To be more particular; hip mobility, ankle mobility, thoracic flexibility, back tightness, glute recruitment, and general muscle imbalance are all issues with your back squat, and front squats will fix these things efficiently.
You can back squat however you want, but I advocate practicing a form like Candito teaches, where the bar is higher than where rippetoe suggests.
>>36518198
Why does this make the back squat superior? Front squats are much better at targeting your quads, and most impacts that can occur in real life that can make you collapse will most likely come from the front rather than the back. Squats are a shit way of building the posterior chain despite what Rippletits would have you believe. If you want to work your posterior chain do deadlift variations.
Do both ya faggot and maybe 1 day you'll have a 190kg front squat and 220kg back squat like me
I tried to do front squats, but I could not squat to depth without falling over, and that was with an empty bar and olympic weightlifting shoes. I initially just accepted that I lack the flexibility and will never be able to incorporate them into my training. Now I'm trying to work on it, but I don't feel like I am making any progress.
>>36519542
How can you tell?
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>>36519318
Reading this as a person with an engineering degree. Fucking dying.
>>JUST
>>36523920
Elbows down.
>>36519104
>Red bumpers
>45lb
>>36516800
Love front squats but I struggle to keep the bar on my front delts, mainly due to the large volume of sweat I drop, and can't clwan hold due to shitty wrists
>>36516971
Also, not wanting to lift the bar over your head.
>>36517223
>>36517223
REST IT ON YOUR FUCKING SHOULDERS
not your damn artery
you lack flexibility senpai.
Keep practicing. Load up a bar and just practice the front squat racking on your shoulders.
>>36521833
dubs of truth.
zercher squats are fucking GOAT.
also the only squat where you're allowed to use the pussy pad.
>>36521926
fucking impressive, goddamn
>>36516800
Front squats are generally a more complex lift when articulating proper form.
You want to have a slight incline on your heel in order for full rom. I generally throw some 5 plates down and use it to give me a slight advantage.
It is harder to gain strength with front squat, in my personal opinion, and generally I only do it for hip drive, mobility, and volume training for my legs.
I generally alternate high bar and front squat though, because it is better to do a power clean into a front squat.
>>36521926
This is a troll post.
But u slighted me n rustld my jimmies a bit
>>36516849
>For overall strength, back squats are a lot better.
This is the meme Rippetoes want you to believe.
all the retards arguing which one is better,
just do both
>>36527000
That may not be due to poor flexibility. It looks like a heavy attempt for him and he isn't reminding himself to keep his chest and elbows up, causing moderate thoracic rounding.
>>36529090
No, he's nowhere near the sticking point, and his thoracic spine isn't rounded.
