When to /fraud/?
So /fit/, after how many years of lifting and what stats do you generally recommend you trade your natty card in?
Couple months, whenever you actually want to look good
>>36313589
>I've fallen for the natty meme for an entire year
When will we learn
never
I can be stronger than 99.99% of the population natty
>>36313722
>thinking it's about strength
Literally no reason to roid if your goal is get women. Just get a six pack, some muscle and cut to a low bf. Anything more than that is pointless. Women genuinely don't care about your great calves or rear delts or whatever. Beyond pic related - it just doesn't matter. Main things for getting girls are face and personality by far.
If you want to impress other men or you compete in a sport then roiding might be for you. But otherwise there's literally no point. Just get strong as you can/want and fit.
>>36313802
Face, personality, height, figure in that other, if you're a manlet focus on the other three
>>36314113
Or take HGH/MK677 for height gains, provided you're still age 18-21
>>36313802
>lifting to impress women
I've been lifting for three years now and want to impress myself as well as be a stronger and more muscular man than those around me, I'm making my way but progress has drastically slowed and one bad night of sleep ruins a weeks worth of workouts.
>>36313802
I was just about to post something similar.
No girl is going to go with the fit roid guy over the fit natty guy just because he's "bigger."
>>36313802
Spoken like someone whos never been big. After turning in my natty card the female attention i recieve has increased dramatically
>>36313508
literally no good reason to ever go /fraud/. If you're lifting, eating, and sleeping correctly, you can make more than enough gains.
>>36314219
A guy with a good face who's easy going yet assertive will still get better and more girls than you even with a dadbod. Sorry bro, but if you are lifting for any other reason than you enjoy it or you want to be stronger/fitter than you're doing it wrong.
When you learn proper form, can move decent weight on the big 3, and have your diet locked down. Then there is really no reason not to do a basic Test only cycle. I put my buddy on a simple Test cycle for 12 weeks and he had only been lifting for 6 months. Made 1-2 years worth of gains, PCT'd just fine, kept 90% of his weight. Just do it right and keep it simple.
>>36314337
OP here, thanks for being the only one to give a real answer...
I'm at 1/2/3/4 on my lifts but have grown in size quite a bit over the last three years, I've lifted seriously for about two now and made actual consistent progress for one. My height is 6'4" and weight is ~210 lbs. I eat consistently and take 10g creatine/animal pak on the daiiilllyyy. Do I qualify?
So a basic Test E cycle is how long? How long do you PCT after cycle?
>>36314377
I like 10-12 weeks. 12 preferably. You don't even really start feeling Test E until about the 3rd-4th week so a 6-8 week cycle is too short imo. Sure, you seem "qualified" but jumping on gear is a personal decision and you really need to do your research on everything.
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/index
I know it's Reddit, but that wiki is good info and the steroid sub has tons of people who know what they're talking about who are actually on gear. Gl brotha
I've been lifting for about 5 years or so
I'd look a hell of a lot better if I roided, but A) I'm a cheapskate, and B) I don't trust myself enough to not fuck it up
Besides, I view lifting as a hobby, not my single purpose for existence, nor my single source of self-esteem
3 to 5 years or when your body starts declining in testosterone. Which ever comes first
I've been lifting for three years. I got to 5'11 158lbs with 1/2/3/4 before I started my firsts cycle I'm now 168 at about 12%bf after 5 weeks
