How much do you sleep?
I have to get in 8 and half hours in order to feel energised through the whole day. Any less and I'll notice.

>>35443387
my sleep is fine i am like this 90% of the time. right im feeling very fucking drowsy and cant do anything even though ive been up for 7 hours.

fucking glandular fever. has this shit ruined my entire life?

fucking going to get some speed or something. useless arab cunt of a doctor 1 year ago tells me i have a common viral infection and doesnt specify its glandular fever i just found out a week ago when i went to ask a different one what was up with me.

>>35443351

Glandular fever can fuck with you for years after the initial infection.

And no, amphetamines are not a solution.

see a psychiatrist

you probably are overworked, I would suggest to take couple weeks of vacation and see how you feel at the end of it. Stress, and job in general, can really mess up your energy levels, not only mental but physical as well. Also amino acid supplements help me quite a bit

Find some people and gym/work out. Seriously, get up and do it. Your energy will come back

>>35443460
i work 30 hours a week. not overworked. prior to this i stayed home 6 months doing nothing where i was still constantly tired and drowsy and i thought i was just depressed and etting the new job wold help but no.

>>35443482
i cant fucking gym and workout. every single day i go into my weight room and try to lift but i just can't. i do 10 reps than i literally cannot do any more

pathetic if what anons saying in this thread is true the doctors can't give me anything. fucking useless cunts leeching off the government taking all these meds when they hardly need them and when i want something so i can have some energy so i can better myself i cant do it

im going to smash that cocksuckers audi fucking never even told me i had glandular fever.

>>35443509
Have you tried energy drinks or per-workout?

Amphetamines are the only right answer.

:^)

Chronic fatigue syndrome? It's caused due to immense stress on the immune system like glandular fever. It's treatable it takes a lot of time and effort but it could be done man.

>>35443536
This

>>35443525
m8 i can drink 5 red bulls and espressos and shit and nothing works.

i can drink 5 cups of coffee and sleep right after

and preworkouts yes. i even have some of the old jack3d before it got banned and it still doesnt work.
>>35443537
ill mention this to him tomorrow

>>35443536
yeah no shit i fucking hate drugs but if these cunts aren't going to help me ill fcking go through illegal means

op here

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/basics/treatment/con-20022009

all these symptons i have lads

fucking useless doctors. "hur its nothing"

>>35443698
You should tell your doctor this tomorrow. At least you know how to work on it now.

>>35443509
Medfag here, I can understand your frustrations. Tiredness is a common symptom and has hundreds of potential causes, I'll try to advice you the best I can in things that could be the cause and some options that might give you some symptom relief.
You're right that speed is an option, though it also has a high abuse potential especially when you buy it in powder form rather than get them as prescription pills. You should only start that as a last resort and be very strict in your dosing schedule.

Since we're shooting blind and you said you were healthy on the last check up you could still try a few things:(if you haven't already)
1. Get more sleep
2. If you have a gf ask her if you snore heavily at night (or record yourself) when you sometimes stop breathing as well obstructive sleep apnea is a frequent cause of the symptoms you're describing
3. take some multi vitamins, especially important to contain vitamin d 2000-5000IU a day and vitamin b (6, 9, 12)
4. Consider a depression underlying the tiredness, look for some checklist online and answer honestly, it should give you an indication, but seriously I've talked to several people who were tired and didn't have energy and that were practically their only problems, once on antidepressants stuff finally started clearing up (only have these prescribed by a professional when you are also diagnosed professionally, they should be avoided if possible)
5. Though rather unlikely consider experimenting with gluten free diet for a few weeks, sometimes coeliac disease starts later in life.
6. Also this is pretty obvious but eat healthy (lots of vegetable etc) whenever you can
Continued...

>>35443749
7. Go back to the doc and ask for another run of standard check ups, causes could be thyroid deficiency, anaemia, autoimmune inflammatory disorders, electrolyte disbalance, kidney dysfunction and even (though extremely unlikely at your age) cancer. Among others.
8. Think back if it may have been possible you had a thick bite you and check if you live in an area (especially if you live near woods) that is inhabited by Lyme disease bearing ticks
9. If you work with sheep or goats or have them as pets or live near a farm you could consider the possibility of Q fever. (Just like lymes disease though this is pretty hard to prove, if at all)
10. Self medicate: start with caffeine, go up to 400mg a day max, going higher will yield more headaches, dependence and less effect per mg.
Consider amphetamine, once daily 5mg or up to 20mg if it's not doing the trick. Always steadily increase only as necessary. If you notice your usage increasing too much take a week or a few off to minimize tolerance and dependence. Try to taper off actively every few months and see how things are if you still need it or could do without.
Another option is asking your doc for a modafinil prescription (its pretty pricey if you have to pay it yourself, but you could (il)legally obtain adrafinil as a cheaper alternative for self medication. Problem is that these medications are not commonly prescribed and long term effects are not really clear yet.


Btw chronic fatigue syndrome is just a sham, its a name given to the unsolved cases of tiredness that can't be explained otherwise. People usually feel understood when they get a diagnosis though like several other syndromes its nothing but a name and really isn't saying anything other than we can't prove it's something.

>>35443749
1. get plenty of sleep
2. lol no gf but i don't snore
3. i take multi vits, vitamin c, d (if i dont go out in the sun), fish oil and spirulina daily
4. i probably am depressed might hop on the anti depressants see if anything changes?? what do you think
5. dont eat much gluten
6. i eat at least 500 grams of green veg a day in solid and in smoothie form

>>35443769

How do you know you don't snore?

>>35443760
thanks a lot man. saved to note pad ill bring it up to him tomorrow.

so without going into details with him on the meds when I talk to him. I dont want to give him the names to make it seem like this is a sham to get these specific drugs.

should I tell him I want amphetamines? whats the correct term for drugs that'll give me a boost?

>>35443779
i got cameras in my house and in my room no sound came up.

>>35443769
Coeliac disease is an allergic reaction to gluten, the difference between a lot or a little doesn't matter. Only when you nearly completely eliminate it from your diet for a steady few weeks will you be able to tell.
How do you know you don't snore?
Depression is characterized either by a feeling of sadness or a loss (or a significant decrease in) the ability to feel pleasure from activities that previously in your life did give you pleasure. Either one in combination with symptoms like tiredness, sleeplessness, and several others could indicate a depression.
Fill in some online checklist to get an idea, but if you actually consider this than see a psychiatrist to get you diagnosed. There is nothing against trying out antidepressants for a few months to see if it helps.

>>35443781
Where are you from? The thing with amphetamines is that the more eager people are to obtain them the more reluctant doctors will be in the prescription of them. You don't need to know technical terms and you're better off not using all these drug names . Just play dumb and say you heard of other people on the internet with similar problems having succes with some form of stimulants, you heard about adderall and modafinil, but you don't really know a lot about it. So you're interested in hearing if one of those could possibly be of use to you. Don't let the doc get away with some short answer but if he immediately dismisses medication insist on how long your problem exists and how much it influences your daily life and that you really need something to change because you can't continue anymore like this. (This always does the trick in convincing a doc that your symptoms are serious, cause for every person like you who really has a problem there are 5 others that just easily complain about health problems and kinda obsess over them)

>>35443698
I have this problem too OP. Doctors generally ignore it because if you're overweight they assume it's an obesity-related physical issue, if you're normal weight they assume it's depression, and if you're underweight they assume it's malnutrition or disordered eating. Also really easy for drug seekers to fake so doctors hate prescribing for it. If you've ever had any history of known drug use (arrests, rehabs, told your doctor you use) they will not give you shiiiit for this condition no matter how long you have all the symptoms. I'm a "former addict" and I've just accepted I will never get any meds for it ever and I'm gonna live the rest of my life tired.

Just use illegal prescription stimulants dude. If I want to feel awake for any small portion of my life, that's what I do.

>>35443842
Australia, Melbourne. No sheep, ticks or any wildlife.

This happened after I had my 2 week viral infection. Prior to that I was lifting, very active, very energetic , etc.

I'll do what you said and play dumb and try to get him to explain it to me. what if he outright says no?

how else do i convince him?

>>35443859
I don't drink or smoke and they took a blood test last time i was there everything was 100% ok.

>>35443876
If he outright says no after you insisted once on the seriousness if your complaints then there is no real use, he already made up his mind. Don't be frustrated, instead ask him what options are still left for finding the proper diagnosis and treatment for you. If he doesn't want to prescribe, most likely he will order some of the tests I mentioned and say he will give you a call a week or so later to discuss the results. You should say you understand that if these tests show an abnormality that you probably can get treated, but what if the tests all come out normal? Ask for the possibility of considering medication at that point or what else he is gonna do. If he is still negative consider switching to another GP or starting self medication should the tests indeed all come back normal.
Don't mention this to your doctor though, it usually will results in a note in your medical file about drug use. It won't do any good

OP here I should also mention I feel 100% perfect in adrenaline situations. For example today I was driving around whiny / hilly roads at high speeds my blood was pumping i was 110% alert than back on the normal road i was about to fucking fall asleep


Stimulants does sound like the right idea. might be a bit of depression as well

>>35443876
By the way, I am Dutch so there will probably be some slight differences in approach between here and in Australia but overall it should be pretty similar.

>>35443913
Just cause stimulants work doesn't say a lot. Stimulants will always make you feel less tired no matter the cause. The thing is you don't want to mask symptoms when there is a treatable cause e.g. depression

>>35443912
Alright thank you very much for the help. Hopefully I remember all this by tomorrow

>>35443917
True. Well if all goes well I'll make another thread and post results and then you can try it

>>35443923
alright. so you think going the anti depressant way first will be easier? since anybody can get their hands on them basically and it'll be easier than the stims?

>>35443932
No problem, hope it will help you.
One last tip, just write a note with all the important parts you wanna talk about and take it with you to the doctors. Its not weird and really useful.

>>35443943
good thinking m8. i just thought about writing the note while i was taking a shit 2 minutes ago

god i just want to lift again and get back into great shape.

>>35443936
Ideally you should see a psychiatrist who should be the one to determine if you possibly have a depression or not and to prescribe and monitor your dosage and side effects. Less ideally you just fill in an online test and if positive you start with antidepressants by yourself. Just be careful about the dosage and don't stay on indefinitely if it helps, you should try to taper off every 6 months.

>>35443959
>t fill in an online test and if positive you start with antidepressants by yourself.

wow i can get my anti depressant meds online? im taking the depression test now.


really dont want to spend 150 on a 1 hour session with some cunt asking me if im sad

>>35443979
>35443979

Results High
Your Score

37 (High)
What does your score mean?

Your score falls in to the high range. Many people who score in this range are experiencing depression and/or anxiety. We strongly recommend that you see your GP or health professional for a more personalised assessment.


confirmed depressed. is this going to be like the sopranos now

also what anti depressant should i get

prozac?

>>35443979
Haha no that depends on your contru's local laws. If they are obtainable without prescription, here they aren't. I am just talking about any questionnaire that Google brings up for depression, because it may help you to weigh your options and give an indication of the severity of the depression should you actually have that. (A validated test is Beck Depression Inventory for example). But there are always illegal online pharmacies (careful not to get fakes thoo) that sell antidepressants and they should also be easily prescribed by any physician If they think you have a depression.

>>35444013
alright thanks man ill tell the doc to do those tests and ill also book an appointment with a psychologist.

does it have to be a specific type of one or just a general psychologist. what do i actually do in there say im depressed? the thing is im not actually sad. im quite happy. i smile i talk to everyone its just this fucking energy thing

>>35444004
Starting with Prozac is fine. You take 20mg daily after 3 weeks evaluate if sides are tolerable and if you notice anything yet, if both are okay you can up the dosage to 40mg a day, again 3 weeks later consider how much side effects you are having and if you are already feeling less tired, then you could up to a maximum of 60mg a day if desired.
From the moment you feel like your tiredness is completely over you will need to continue another 6 months of daily medication until you first try to taper off and see how it affects your tiredness.
If there is no effect after 2-3 months of 60mg dosage or the sides are totally intollerable consider switching either to citalopram (same medication class) or amitriptyline (this is a different class and more likely to have effect, however usually also more side effects)

>>35444025
In here you can just go to the GP for the first diagnosis, and they will prescribe the medication. You're right that at this point a psychiatrist maybe a bit expensive and not really necessary yet... only if symptoms persist or worsen and your general physician can't offer you much more help

>>35444053
>>35444066
Cheers mate. So I can ask for prozac from the general doctor I'm going to see tomorrow?

http://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/buy/7304/Prozac-20mg-Capsules-28

Oh can get prozac online lol

>>35444025
Well obviously I can't diagnose you from over the internet but like I said the key feature of depression is either loss of interest in activities previously considered pleasureable or sadness. If you don't have either and if you're able to smile and feel happy than that probably is the case. Then by definition you do not have a depression.
However you don't need to worry about what to tell them because you just present your symptoms the doc will be the one making the diagnosis and considerations. There's no use in dramatising your symptoms or say you have some which you don't, because if you don't have a depression than antidepressants will not help the slightest and cause unnecessary side effects which can be quite bothersome.

>>35444112
Of course you can still try it, like I said. It doesn't always have to be completely within the book. But that's the complexity of medicine. The thing here is, if you are missing a key symptom of depression the doc would probably be more inclined to rule out any other physical cause before reconsidering a depression.

Yeah one last thing just be careful which website you buy from, make sure there are reviews and its not fakes. Like 1/2 internet pharmacies (the illegitimate ones) is a scam or sells at least some fakes.

I really gotta go now, good luck with everything. Hope you get well soon

>>35444112
alright. thanks again mate. really appreciate you helping me. you seem like a very intelligent person good luck with the medicine career you're the type of doctor I wish I had not some lazy cunt who just says its natural to feel like hammered shit 24/7

If it turns out you have chronic fatigue, op - in my studies of it I've seen two people have success with tracking their heart-rate and staying under a certain threshold so they never "crash" then testing the threshold over time to expand it.

heart-rate trackers are pretty cheap. Here's one of the people who had success (he's completely "fixed").

http://www.recoveryfromcfs.org/introduction.htm

Also, I hear "oxidative stress" is a possible cause of CFS so it might be worth talking to your doctor or a specialist about treating it that way. I think raising your enzyme intake through fermented foods or enzyme supplements can be used to treat oxidative stress as well as explaining why it happens in the first place (since the western diet is lacking in enzymes due to soil depletion and the fact we clean, pasteurise and cook a lot of our food).

Oxidative stress seems to be the type of reaction your body goes into after extended stressful exercise like endurance running, but in CFS supposedly your body slips into that reaction over almost nothing. Tracking your heart-rate might allow you to stop that reaction happening so much, and the enzymes might help keep you from slipping into it in the first place. I also recommend reading that link I posted above because he covers all aspects of the condition (mindset etc.).