You should only start cutting when you hit 1/2/3/4. Anyone else agrees?
Do you even lift?
>>35111701
You should cut if you're over 15% bf. No exceptions.
Health > arbitrary lifting stats
>>35111809
Agreed.
Permabulk retards need the gas.
>>35111701
What do you mean with 1/2/3/4? Plates?
>>35111701
honestly this >>35111809
just start lifting at 10%bf Aushwitz mode and clean bulk until you hit 1/2/3/4. If done correctly you should never go above 14-15% bf. Never bulk above 15%
>>35113210
pl8s per side on OHP/Bench/Squat/DL
>>35111809
Best way to check bf%?
>>35114242
post picks on /fit and multiply the result by .25.
Nope. Those stats are 2high4me
5 months into lifting. i dieted before going to the gym to skinnyfat.
i dont really think i have enough muscles to cut. i am guessing i am 17% bf ?
i was just gonna continue bulking this winter.
>>35114430
>1/2/3/4
>too high for you
Kidding? Anyone can get there in a couple years unless they roll a 1 on the d20 for genes
>>35114497
Jesus christ cut already youre above 20%
>>35114586
I ain't bulking for "a couple years" m8
>>35114497
Your about 22% imo
>>35114593
>>35114607
its gonna be winter anyway senpai
how many months should i take to cut ? like do i start in mei or February ?
pic is 5 months ago
>>35114497
I think you're way over 15%. Pic related is me, 14,7% bf. Should I go ottermode or should I go bulk?
17% is the optimal bf level for gains/health/sanity, if you're carrying a lot of muscle ofcourse. Skinny fats should cut or bulk.
>>35114629
Bulk u small bitch
>>35114647
Nope, 12% is godly
>>35114606
It's not constant bulking lol, just eat a slight excess and train on an intelligent program for a couple years. I went from 150lbs to 180 in 2 years staying lean
>>35113264
Dirty bulked until around 20% bf and was able to hit 1/2/3/4. Now Im at 11% and Im still able to do 1/2/3/4. Anyone saying don't go past 15% is never making it.
Proof, besides the fact hes a nigger. It works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-GTIok8gI0
im a 172lb manlet with a super skelly physique and I lift well over 1/2/3/4
DYELS amuse me
>having to get fat do to babby lifts
>>35114497
>cutting with your muscle mass
You're setting yourself up for a continuous cycle of "Omg I'm above 15% better cut" then gain 20lbs, then cut again, etc. You'll lose muscle every time you cut and you won't get anywhere. Just bulk for a whole year, don't give a shit about getting a little fat, gain enough muscle to make cutting worth it, then cut.
Am I the only one who thinks a higher body fat looks best on men who have muscle on them? 20% tends to be the golden area.
>>35114885
Agreed, although a lot of people are delusional about the muscle they have
>>35114885
Maybe a little less then 20% but around that mark yes
>>35114762
A lot of people think Chris is on gear
If that's the case then he can certainly do these crazy bulks.
>>35114813
How manlet? 172lbs if your under 6ft is pretty solid imo
>>35114627
Personally I would bulk. Marty fusaro talks about the need for more lean bodymass when skinny fat and how cutting will just make you skinnier but still bad looking.
But I'm not super concerned with being lean so you may prefer a cut.
>>35114885
I measured the shit out of my body fat, using everything from machines to calipers. They all say 20 percent, but i think i look fat as fuck. I am 240 lbs and 6 foot 1. My stats are 350 lb squats for reps, 265 bench for 3 by 5 and just got to 4 plate deadlift, but i dont train it much. I used to be much fatter, and i do have stetch marks, which may make it look worse. Is it possible with those stats to actually only be 20 percent or am i lying to myself. At this weight should i be much stronger to be fit.
I weigh 173 and i'm 5'8
Probably 20% bf or a bit more
My lifts are currently
Squat 255x5
Dead 295x5 (i know)
Bench 200x5
OHP 137.2x5
Still making almost weekly progress.
I've always had the problem of 'do i bulk or do i cut' but I've decided to just keep on going until I hit 1/2/3/4 .
>I haven't had sex in 2015
>>35114813
left: then , right: now (8 months)
>I used to do myspace angles
I agree with your amusement- I'm right at 139 pounds 5'8" right now with just at or above 1/2/3/4 except my bench which is at 205 libs
when people talk about 1/2/3/4 are they talking about their estimated 1rm? or tested lifts? I'm waiting for 1/2/3/4 for 5 reps .
>>35114659
ayy love /fat/ sometimes
tell aanyone who isn't obese to bulk lel
>>35117266
I'm the guy above your post-
I mean for 1 rep maxes when I say 1/2/3/4.
My deadlift max has been tested at 420 lbs, OHP at 130 lbs, low bar squat at 315 lbs and bench at 200x1.
More recently I've done high bar Oly squats at 280 and 290 for doubles and OHP at 120 for 5.
Even if you don't test maxes like I haven't on squat and OHP, it's easy to extrapolate a max by adding 15-30 pounds to your OHP 5 rep max and 30-40 pounds to your squat 5 rep max
The formula I use to calculate projected maxes is this: (0.033 * number of reps * weight lifted) + weight lifted = one rep max
This formula comes within 2-3% of my true max on all the big four lifts as well as pull ups, rows, most isolation exercises.
It wasn't as accurate for my power cleans, but I'd imagine that that's due to less strict and honed form.
Alright guys, here I am, just made my first of these pics. pls no bull, heh.
Just been bulking. I know I've got a bit of fat (prolly 20+%), but fuck it, I'm not bothered by it.... right?
Gonna cut when I hit 1/2/3/4 for 5 tested. Just a matter of time.
How long did it take you guys to hit 1/2/3/4?
>>35117661
139 pound 5'8" guy once again;
It took me 12 months to hit 3/4, 13 months to hit 1 plate ohp and at 18 months I have yet to hit 2 plate bench
>>35117877
yeah, but I've got 30 lbs on you, so I would hope to hit it much sooner.
mirin' ottermode btw
>>35117917
Most of those 30 pounds are fat, so you'd really be about my weight if you were lean
My triceps are pitifully weak and small compared to my shoulders which largely contributes to my presses being weak.
I don't know what your rate of progression is on deads and squats, but you could hit 3 and 4 plate within the next 2-3 months
>>35114586
>Anyone can get there in a couple years
If you can't 1/2/3/4 after 4-6 months on a strength program just give up lifting lmao
>>35111809
>only two posts in the thread before the best answer is provided
i think this is a new record for you, /fit/
i am so proud
>set a PR 1RM of 125lb OHP
>can barely bench 1pl8 for reps
what is wrong with me?
>>35111701
I don't think I'll ever reach 1/2/3/4. My squat is so utterly mediocre that it barely surpasses my bench. All my other lifts are literally days away from progressing into 1/2/3/4 though.
>>35118045
But yeah, I'll probably run with 1/2/2/4.
Squats are gay anyway; nobody pays attention to legs. 0/10 I'm not even mad about small legs
bf% m8s?
i dont wanna cut because my gainz% is 0 but i think im too fat
>>35118045
>Benching 2pl8 but barely squatting 2pl8
wedge clan pls
>>35117332
No its because you look scrawny as fuck, I'm not even a fatty, but you need like 15 lbs of LBM to even achieve ottermode.
>>35115853
Really? I'm 6'1 and about that and I'm skelly as fuck. Surely 2 inches less at the same weight wouldn't look that much better
>>35111809
I agree.
For calisthenics it's acceptable to cut as well. I got to 162 last week, but I'm down to 158 now. Every bit counts for one arm chin up
>>35118045
Same man, I squat 205x5 and I don't feel like I'll ever hit 315 for reps. I honestly don't care though; you don't need to squat more than 225 for reps (8-10) for decent legs
Rule of thumb is bulk any time you're under 25% body fat, cut when you go over. This will give you maximum gains over the long term, then you can simply cut down to 15% when you have the body you want
>>35118083
You could cut or bulk and either way you'd be fine if you really haven't made any large gains yet.
If you feel fat, start cutting until you don't. That's my advice for you.
>>35117067
Not a chance. I'm 6'2" 175 lbs around 20%
bodyfat lads?
175cm 63kg
>>35118566
20, maybe more maybe less
>>35118620
woah I had no idea, guess I'll have to start cutting
>>35118729
I'd say you're 25%, I figure I was 20% in this photo
and weighed about 65 kg at 172 cm
>>35117233
Is also me in more recent times
>>35114627
>>35114497
in your boat m8. im currently in month 2 of bulking and look like that. fuck this cutting above 15% bullshit id still look like shit. gonna bulk til i have decent amount of muscle and strength. as long as you are working out consistently keep going.
WERE ALL GONNA MAKE IT
>>35114762
>ARE YOU TIGER WOODS
KEKKKKKKKKKKK
>>35117661
wow you dont even weight that much. i look way smaller at 5/9 200 lbs and my lifts are pretty similiar. might have you on bench tho
>>35117233
>>35117233
OP Here
did you fall for SS meme?
If you were able to hit 1/2/3/4 doing a PPL routine at a rep range of 8-12 you would not look this dyel.
I have Gyno, dont focus on the bitch tits.
Lost 45lbs since may, im thinking about another 10 lbs maybe more.
Im and extremely late fucking bloomer, as in hit puberty like 10 months ago. Still growing, which is a1
5'11 - 155 lbs
BF%?
>>35117233
>139 lbs
>5'8"
>small dick
>>35119422
a bit high but great job m8. are you lifting? you really should as you have potential to look awesome. keep pushing either way lil bro
>>35119476
Thanks man! yeah i am lifting, im eating at a decent deficit (1200-1300 cals) rn so im pretty sure im not going to gain that much muscle mass. I had a shitty/decent foundations thanks to hockey, rugby, and soccer but i was covered in fucking fat so i decided to just stop being a manchild.
>>35119203
Yes, I do a lot of strength training, but it isn't the specific program or rep range that has resulted in me looking this way.
Let me lay out the reasons why I am not as big as you'd expect-
1. I didn't bulk consistently because I didn't want to get too fat- I was a distance runner when I began lifting, and am a sprinter now
2. Certain muscle groups in particular lag behind, such as triceps, because my bench press and overhead press are chest and shoulder dominant
If I had started out at a lean 8% bodyfat, 115 pounds, I could have bulked all the way to 150 pounds 12% bodyfat without stopping, perhaps, but this wasn't the case. So I had to take a more circuitous, slow route to get to where I am now.
>>35119436
It's not that small; 6x5 inches hard
>>35119527
>150 pounds
>All the way
lol
>>35119551
>not understanding the context
>>35117338
>being this much of a faggot
>>35117661
you have bitch tits and are well on your way to 25% body fat.
regards
JH
>>35119642
I always say too much, don't I?
>>35119527
but you starting to look good, keep it up.
>>35119597
>mfw reaching for gainz
>>35111701
what about for manlets?
3pl8 squat would be 2xbw for me
i'm only just now at 105x5 and 140 feels a lifetime away
>>35120871
pounds or kilograms?
>>35121086
You cant work it out?
>referring to 3 plate
>140kg is 3plate
>140lbs is 1 plate
>>35120871
I assume you mean kilos.
You should be able to hit 140 kg for a single once you can hit around 117kg for 5 reps.
You will likely need to be capable of 110 kg for a 5x5 with minimal slowing of bar speed and little to no form breakdown.
It should be anywhere from 1-6 months. That depends on your past rate of progress, recovery/lifestyle, diet, training frequency and overall volume.
perhaps you need to stop grinding out weights that are too heavy every single squat session and work with 2/3 or 3/4 of your working weight for fast, powerful low volume sets.
Then on one or two days per week, use maximal, 80-100%, of your maximum, for less reps.
Try to hit between 30-70 total reps of squats per week.
Again, it is key that NOT ALL of your squat sessions be overly taxing. You shouldn't have to grind through to failure every session, or often for that matter.
>>35121124
diff guy here, but just adding to the convo that the Texas Method seems to be what you're talking about.
>it's what I do, except Press PRs and front squats on Wednesday
>>35119714
No you don't max out. This makes you a faggot.
yes, what I was outlining is similar to TM. It's just the basic idea of periodization.
>>35121225
I do occasionally, it just has a way of psyching me out, particularly on the squat. I did do a single at 290 back in June with high bar, and 315 in early May on low bar.
>>35121310
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>>35117661
I hit 1/2/3/4 around the 5-6 month mark
18yrs 5'8 190lb former fatty, i played sports and did light training in high school so these results are obviously skewed.
at month 9
OHP - ?? stopped training this
Bench - 245 5x3 (slowly going down cause cutting)
Squat - 315 3x5
Diddly - 410 5x3
>>35114242
show bigs xDDDDD
we jewdge xDDDDD
if you bulk from skinnyfat you only become a bigger version of a skinnyfat, or just fat. It doesn't fucking make sense because you'll have to cut for a fucking year straight later. You invest 2 years to achieve the same body that a skellyjelly can achieve in 8 months, like, are you seriously retarded guys? Get lean and then start bulking (bulking=/=getting fat), nobody will ever care about your squat numbers but they'll mire your abs, sad but true
>>35111809
20% is healthier than 15
>>35121823
pls go
>>35121859
no u
How to tell bf% if you're an ex fat with loose skin?
Im afaggot. But what is 1/2/3/4
>>35111701
>implying 1/2/3/4 has any use for your body composition
tip top kek, my stats are 1/2/2/3 and i bet i look way better then you fat ass t-rex.
also this >>35111809
>>35121916
1/2/3/4 plates respectivly on the big four lifts; OHP, bench, squat and deadlift
>>35121823
Jason please leave
>>35114497
>5 months into lifting
What routine? You look like you don't even lift t.bh f.am
You should have just cut and lifted, you can still make gains when you're eating less than your tdee.
>>35121931
pics?
>>35111701
This is primarily aimed at beginners so pay attention.
When you stall on your lifts you have three choices - eat more, increase your volume work, fix your technique.
>Eat more
This is unsustainable over a long period of time. The increased glycogen can give you the push to lift the weight that has been giving you problems but as soon as you return to your normal eating parts you are toast. Either that or you start perma-bulking which is stupid.
>Increase Volume
You can jump on 2-a-day training but again, how long will this last? A month? Two?
>Fix your technique
This is what you should do. I want to make the distinction between proper form and proper technique. For the squat your proper form is to hit competition depth. If you turn the squat into a good-morning but still hit your depth that's proper form.
However, this is awful technique. Proper technique simply means positioning yourself in such a way as to put yourself in the strongest position and to maximise your leverage.
Fortunately for you, this is relatively easy to fix and you will gain the most bang for your buck. Identify a lift you are technically weak and spend an afternoon just practicing the different aspects.
>>35111701
1/2/3/4 seems like the most retarded and unbalanced goal ever.
>>35123655
this. ive past 1 and 2 already, am currently at 2.5 and 3. for squat and diddy. by the time i reach 3 and 4 my bench will prob be around there as well. stubby legs/ long torso master race
>>35123655
Most people are not stub armed barrel fatties
You cut if you hit %15 or summer is coming and you have an active social life. Since this is /fit you cut if you hit %15.
