Punk isnt dead.
Post here.
I need some inspo, preferably females.
>>10629332
modern punk is wearing Saint Laurent Paris and Givenchy desu senpai
being punk is not giving a fuck and doing whatever the fuck you want and not trying to be "punk" ;)
>>10629352
modern punk is honestly pretty shit. i wish the community still embraced diy
>>10629361
awesome input ;)
i dont give a fuck and i want to dress punk
>>10629368
nice garbage opinion
>>10629381
thanks senpai <3
Yes it is.
99% of modern punk music is garbage bands trying to sound like the punk bands that were actually good.
And before someone mentions them, Joyce Manor/The Menzingers/etc. aren't punk.
>>10629368
I used to wear a camelhair Dries blazer , band shirts, and dickies pants
Tried to keep it subtle
man there are scab kids that look good around my house
They sit at the highway entrance pan handling
They have some sick scab jeans and jackets
>>10629388
They're not being serious family
>>10629396
i definitely appreciate a good pair of dickies pants. I want to get into blazers but i seem to be too stuck in a rut with leather jackets.
diy band shirts or official merch?
>>10629388
folk punk died this year but was relevant for the entirety of the 2000s.
punk isn't about the sound, it's about the feeling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUojL5r3SwI
>>10629407
Mix of both but I was broke in high school lol
Made tons of shirts back then.
>>10629425
Which is why 99% of the "punk" bands aren't punk.
Taking emo and making it sound punk doesn't make it punk.
>>10629346
>>10629368
>>10629387
anon water u doing
>>10629442
Mad Menzingers fan detected.
>>10629438
agreed, but it is false to act like punk is entirely dead. It's incredibly hard to find, but there are strains of music that are entirely punk in ethos still remaining. It's getting muddled with some sjw stuff that goes a little too far for me personally but that's just life in 2015. To put it simply, I have no problem with 99% of the topics said "sjw'' bands deal with, but they ignore the bigger picture and ultimate reason the punk ethos exists.
It's a tough time to be punk but it isn't all over.
I strongly advise seeking literature and writing in general if you're in pursuit of a modern day media expressing punk ideas.
Had this on my PC for quite a while for the jacket inspo
>>10629444
Honestly I don't like seeing people in band shirts for bands they don't like
Especially the bullshit Hysteric Glamour shirts that are like 150 bucks each
>>10629453
punk has always been about being a sjw where the hell are you getting your info from?
>>10629450
Nah I haven't heard a new punk band since Titus Andronicus in 2010
>>10629455
that's a nice jacket goddamn
especially since the colour makes it stand out frm most punk jackets
>>10629461
i definitely agree
i would never thinking of wearing a shirt from a band i didnt love
what hysteric glamour shirts?
>>10629455
I mean the jacket is okay but...
>NOFX ...
Right next to
>Dead Kenedy's
>The Clash
>Misfits
That guy is a fucking idiot.
Wanna make a jacket, just copped a black denim one and some patches are in the post, i was thinking of making a stencil of pic related and bleaching it in the bottom because i'm a disgusting weeb and i hate myself, thoughts?
>>10629484
any suggestions for copping a good denim jacket? i never have luck thrifting
i think the thing you want is perfectly fine as long as you dont make it a main focus of the jacket.
>>10629473
Japanese company that overcharges for avant-garde punk shit
>>10629464
It's different. Punk used to focus on global injustices and cultural problems. Now a lot of punk is getting stuck in being all about smaller, individual issues, without putting out a bigger message.
My favorite site for punk shirts is punkstuff.com
They have some really cool logos
And I dunno if they're still active but fullbreach77 was cool too
>>10629492
idk what to tell you man, I looked for one online but the amount of people who told me that sizing one was really hard put me off, went looking in shops in town (I live in Liverpool, England) and it took me a week of looking to find one that fit me perfectly, and even then it was only because the dude said they might have some in the back. It probably won't take you that long to find one depending on where you live, especially if you're looking for a blue one, they come by the dozen.
My main concerns about that bleaching thing is that it's from Cowboy Bebop which is a weeb thing and i'm not so sure about how comfortable I am being approached by neckbeards - and also the idea of bleaching a brand new jacket, i'm gonna try it out on some old jeans first though
>>10629518
for the record I'm really into meta punk that criticizes the movement and its followers, but that's only a part. A lot of bands/musicians these days really, really, really fall short in delivering a message that makes them worth calling punk.
>>10629524
I wish man, I live in a really suburban community where theres only like two thriftshops and theyre literally where nothing good goes.
I'd definitely practice bleaching on a different item first.
as for being approached by neckbeards, just look so punk they dont want to approach you
>>10629524
>My main concerns about that bleaching thing is that it's from Cowboy Bebop which is a weeb thing and i'm not so sure about how comfortable I am being approached by neckbeards
How silly.
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>>10629518
It was like that in the Crass 80s, sure
But punk was always a self-centered drug fueled circle jerk for latchkey kids and weirdos. The way they described it in the beginning of Don't Kill Me was so blatantly homosexual (as in, kids going into bath houses with tubs of KY jelly everywhere, trying out hardcore gay sex and then eventually forming the foundations of punk [seriously read the book that's exactly what happened]) that I can barely even take the early stuff seriously
Anybody who thinks that the clash and sex pistols were anything other than posers is stuck in a bubble.
>>10629565
Sure, I don't disagree. Punk has had a lot of dead phases, and punk is almost exclusively shit. You just have to find the pockets that work for you.
also the clash/sex pistols comment wasn't even necessary. no one relevant to this conversation would disagree.
>>10629565
don't kill me?
is there an author? Ive really never read punk lit. anyone have any reccomendations?
>>10629578
Legs McNeil
It's the definitive punk book
There are a ton of old zines that have been reprinted in anthologies
We Got Power, LA hardcore fanzine from the 80s
Boys Own, punk/ska/acid house/casual culture zine from the UK
I think there an anthology of Sniffin Glue that you can get on Amazon
Touch N Go, probably the most prominent punk zine from the 70s
Definitely get Razorcake, man. Fucking phenomenal punk magazine from California. And Chips&Beer
>>10629611
thanks man, ive got some reading to do now
>>10629627
There's one zine anthology that is out of print that I'm seriously coveting: The End Fanzine from England
Regret not buying it when I had the chance
>>10629648
>>10629652
that cover alone is to die for
you cant get it online somewhere?
>>10629656
I even talked to the publisher about it
It's gone man
>>10629666
that is a cruel thing damn. no secondhand market?
>>10629656
But boys own is cool as shit cuz they even write about the fashion scene in London among casuals
Lots of out-of-context shittalking about all manners of Ray Bans / boat shoes / anoraks / every other trend
>>10629611
ive only read banned in dc and i'm hyped for this reading list. thanks anon
>punk is about being an sjw
how incredibly delusional do you have to be to believe this
punk used to attract all sorts of angry young men, (not whiny tumblrista sjws) from neo nazis to communists to anarchists
this idea that punk is this social justice, pro-feminist, pro-queer, pro civil rights thing is retarded
but yes I will admit that the style is only worn by vapid homosexual sjws
>>10629747
>angry young men
>acting like riot grrrls didnt own the scene
>>10629757
They weren't that cool lol
The early 90s bands kinda sucked
Women fronting powerviolence bands? That fucking rules
I can think of little that is less punk than getting fucking pissy about what is and isn't punk
>>10629432
senpai senpai
You all should watch that Sex Pistols documentary.
My favorite line is when one of them explains how "The punks killed punk... it was about being an individual until they all started wearing a uniform, mohawks and leather jackets..."
I'll still go have fun at punk shows but god damn I hate most of the people there, especially the kids who try so hard to look punk. Common cunts there include
>the sjw tumblr girl / fag
>the overly aggressive dude
>the hipster
>the hobo
>DUDE WEED / BOOZE / DRUGS LMAO
>the attention whore girl
>the old guy trying to relive his youth
>the ones who thought this was a metalcore show
the list goes on
>>10630172
Go to hardcore shows it's a much better vibe than punk shows
>>10630183
in my town the scene isn't very big. Punk / hardcore / ska / etc. shows all attract the same crowd
>>10629387
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>>10630172
>the hobo
im cool with hobos
>DUDE WEED / BOOZE / DRUGS LMAO
fucking hate
>the old guy trying to relive his youth
i see nothing wrong there
>>10630189
I know that feel
The hardcore shows here are pretty open; not a lot of bullshit tough guys, the promoters will let mixed genre bills happen, the crowds aren't elitist dicks or drunk psychobilly people. It's nice
But punk shows suck
here's some cancer for you guys
Punk's not dead It just deserves to die
-> uttered in 1986
you weren't even born yet
you're a fucking poser who heard a green day song and thinks that talking shit on bush was edge in 2004 (it wasn't)
it was about as edgy as watching and agreeing with everything rachel maddow or bill maher says
and voting for clinton because "its time"
despite the fact that you just let a fucking villian buy the white house
>>10630198
You haven't seen enough of those guys then
Different fag but those can be the shittiest scene guys around
They get drunk way too early, ruin the vibe, bother girls, and get up in everybody's face about how they booked MDC in the 80s and were affiliated with the area's only SHARP crew
Everybody booked MDC in the 80s those guys would play anywhere.
It bothers me to see kids wearing all of this stereotypical punk clothing with tumblr leggings and shit. I live in a neighborhood which, until recently, was pretty punk. It's about the attitude and the struggle to work toward what you can. Most of my punk friends just wear denim jackets and skinnies. Studs, tons of patches, and crazy hair just make you look tryhard in any real scene.
>>10629518
Is there anything wrong with punk that focuses on smaller issues? If anything, choosing to focus on global issues is the least effective way to see change. You gotta act locally. Anyway, most of the classic punk bands were framing broader social, economic, and political problems within a local context (Guns of Brixton, California Ãœber Alles, etc).
I've always loved Ted Leo because he's never stopped singing about relevant issues. He's pushing fifty but unlike a lot of old punk rockers, he's still out there writing songs about current issues ranging from politics to eating disorders to race relations. There are still plenty of good artists keeping the attitude alive, but the playing field is changing. The classic simplistic punk style of the '70's is gonna sound dated. The best current bands are the ones that have embraced new musical styles and worked within them to put out something that's modern and relevant, but still meaningful.
>>10630208
holy shit tone down your faggotry there
>>10630198
>i see nothing wrong there
A guy in his 50s with dyed hair, a ripped shirt, and fat-stretched tattoos? Pathetic. Punk is naturally a kids' genre, you can't be punk after years of paying mortgages and climbing the corporate ladder. You can enjoy the music, but don't try to look like a punk.
I saw the UK Subs once and the 70 year old singer was alright only because he dressed like a 70 year old and didn't try to act young and hard, he seemed like a kind old English gentleman when not singing.
>>10630225
i went to a show recently and saw a guy in his mid sixties, probably. he was a pretty cool guy and he didn't try to act in-your-face or anything. i had a conversation with him and he turned out to be really nice. he was wearing a pretty kickass vest, too.
>>10629363
are u even part of "the community" breh
we can't afford slp and givenchy
>>10629766
seriously, this thread is dead
>>10630225
you're what's wrong with punk
punk is an attitude and a set of beliefs
nothing about it is restricted to kids
it just happened to be pioneered by a disillusioned youth
who are you to say that the old dude in the audience has paid mortgages for years and climbed the corporate ladder
perhaps he's been sticking it to the man and doing his own thing his whole life
maybe he's the living embodiment of a punk lifestyle and he's still living it
you can call him a washout of society but don't call him pathetic for staying true to himself
>>10630201
>want to drink a beer in the corner
>some fuckwad lurching his fat foot all over the place, targeting me, kicks me square in the chest, results in me spilling my beer all over self, kicker, and other friend with me.
Straight edge tryhards fucking suck.
Is there anything more trite than dressing like a "punk"? Fucking embarrassing.
>>10630291
Damn stay away from the edge of the pit when your local band is playing Blood for Blood covers
It's not that complicated
let's post some actual clothes now
>>10629766
feel like punks harshly regulate who's allowed to call themself that
>>10630208
post fit
is OiOi a punk
go 2 hottopic and urban outfitters, you can buy punk clothes there ;)
Real punks don't have a laptop or iphone 7 to post on their chinese toy forum. I saw this guy i went to high school with, he grew up in an upper middle class family and is now a crust punk who squats and dumpster dives, he has tattoos all on his face and is fucked for life on getting a job and weird enough he has a mac book to post on while loitering at starbucks and using their wifi and taking pics of him and his cow girlfriend trying to apply for food stamps with his iphone and post it on instagram. True punx never diez!!! \m/
holy bad
>>10630497
He is definitely a heroin addict and will be dead in five years
Gutter punks always die
>>10630262
Stay poor
Punk is pseudo-prole movement for shitty teens
>>10630497
I hate upper middle class kids who want to be poor, I'm actually poor and I'm trying to be rich.
>>10630541
Have you tried asking them for a switcharooni?
>>10630541
>>10630544
Nostalgie de la boue. They don't really want to be poor, they want the romanticized aesthetic of poverty.
>>10630558
Fuck, as much as people bash on the French they have expressions to match every type of situation it seems.
>>10629483
all those bands suck anyway.
They walk around together
To try and look trendy
I think it's a shame cause they all look the same
Here they come
lalalalala
The part-time punks
![MG_8555[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/B6ipBY9.jpg "MG_8555[1].jpg")
>>10630225
>Charlie Harper
>dressed like a 70 year old
>didn't try to act young and hard
>seemed like a kind old English gentleman
What UK Subs are you talking about man? Harper is the archetype of "old man that can't let go".
I had a gfd who tried to dress punk and was really fucking dumb its not that worth it
If youre craving for attention try something new something yours. Punk has been done time and again so besides unoriginal you'll be just another one.
By another one I mean part of the same system you criticize, so unless youre a very superficial girl dont do it.
By the same logic if you really want to go that path idk dye your hair in flashy colors buy a leather jacket and there you go youll be punk withou forcing it.
>>10630903
already done flashy colours, just went from blue to black actually. being a punk without forcing it is fine and all but i want to get more into the old school punk aesthetic.
![128774870564866591c8vxrVoEc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zqwnLgI.jpg "128774870564866591c8vxrVoEc[1].jpg")
>>10629332
>Punk isnt dead.
Even Disco has more life left in it than Punk
>>10630908
then get some pins, leather boots. big jeans, some tattoos.
>>10629388
you just reminded me how much I fucking hate joyce manor
>>10631061
really? i don't consider them punk but i still think they're an alright band
>>10629332
>being this white trash
hey guys
i just started to get into punk and i was wondering what i should start wearing
my favorite bands are fall out boy, my chemical romance, and blink-182
>>10631234
You're a 14 year old sjw
Wear Hail Pizza shirts and discover the hardcore scene through Set Your Goals and Title Fight
We all had to at some point
>>10630217
This guy is a punk
>>10629453
This guy is a poser
Who the fuck even says punk is dead. It has fallen out of mainstream attention now that there are other trendy does styles to talk about but it still exists as a community and a philosophy. Growing up I was always annoyed at people who thought being punk was only about wearing the uniform and fighting. Punk has always been a labor centric ideology rooted on DIY and a fight against injustice. You just gotta put some love and thought and learn the history.
are there any crust bands that don't sound like shit?
>>10631234
mcr, blink, and fob are pretty standard for getting into punk. check out some bikini kill, la dispute, brand new, and green day for some more intro level stuff.
as for wearing stuff, skinny jeans and band tees are pretty standard fare for that stuff.
>>10631261
awesome :D
i just bought a new triforce tshirt that i'm gonna start wearing :3333
>>10631276
>triforce
>band
nice bait m8
>>10631255
there are a couple good ones it's mostly garbage though
>claiming to be punk in 2015
>being completely unaware of modern massive DIY underground scene bigger than anything in the 80's
>lol
>>10629332
Dressing like a retarded homeless man is not fashion.
Punk as a subculture still exists, yes, but in popular opinion its significance has been diluted to a fashion choice. After all, to dress "punk", you don't even have to think for yourself; all you need is a desire for attention.
Personally, I dislike the idea of conforming to an ideology that is reactionary towards -- and therefore, based on -- the mainstream. However, I like exploring punk-inspired fits, like pic related
>>10631362
It's harder to be diy now than it was in the 80s dude
I can't even understand how those bands can finish a tour
Gas is more expensive and the cover charge hasn't gonna up
Kids were paying 15 bucks to see Suicidal Tendencies or Social Distortion back in the early 80s and that's how much they still pay today
And now they're not even getting fucked over by labels; instead they're fending for themselves and depending in donations to get by
All power to em. I've booked DIY bands and fucking love the enthusiasm; it's just hard to justify the practicality
>>10631362
I think I saw CS on that tour, mind blowing. They really preluded that whole wave of new "real hardcore punk" bands imo. Before that, that type of bands were few and far between with youth crew being the scene standard. Now, everybody and their mother has a "freak" band.
I stilll love stuff like Leather Daddy, Lumpy and the Dumpers or Gutter Gods over any clean cut youth crew band though.
>>10631255
Isterismo, Zatsuon, Unarm, Plasmid, Asocial Terror Fabrication.
>>10631386
Power Trip > your entire scene
>>10631382
>It's harder to be diy now than it was in the 80s dude
No it's not, it's exactly as hard. If anything, it's easier. Booking a tour and staying in touch with promotors overseas is much much easier. Booking a space and advertising your show is much much easier. Running a label and actually selling stuff is far easier. All because of the internet. I haven't seen a physical flyer in years.
Sure, prices have gone up but the possibilities are far greater in 2015 then they were in 1985.
>>10631390
>power trip
>relevant to this thread
Don't you have a Harm's Way test press to snipe on ebay? Maybe get rid of those old metalcore shirt just so you can cop that sweet vintage Life Of Agony hockey jersey?
>>10629766(czeched)
>you're not punk, and I'm telling everyone
>>10631382
I agree, but there's a pretty massive amount of hype and support that goes into the more underground communities. Most shows I go to with a touring band clear around $200 for gas/etc because everyone who goes is down to throw down $7-20.
What's really crazy though is how under the radar some of these more popular bands can fly, but I would guess that's because most "legit punk" bands don't dress like the clowns people keep posting here
>>10631391
I've seen enough tours fall apart after the first show, man
But I guess it was happening then too
It'd be cool if more towns had all age venues. They probably ban hardcore shows there anyway
Lol I know someone who got signed to Rise Records and they made less money (ie none) than the Pantera ripoff band that plays for weekend warriors in biker bars. That shit can actually pay the bills, man
>>10631395
Talk shit post Supertouch shirts
![madonna9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YeYUcYA.jpg "madonna9[1].jpg")
>>10631401
>most "legit punk" bands don't dress like the clowns people keep posting here
And then there's Gag.
>>10631402
>It'd be cool if more towns had all age venues. They probably ban hardcore shows there anyway
I can't comprehend how different the US is from mainland Europe. Everything is all ages here and most venues allow hardcore or punk as long as you pay up and don't wreck shit. Plus there's government funded youth houses to play.
>>10631401
I can fuck with Culo
Read some crazy stuff about them in old zines though
Surprising they aren't all dead lol
>>10631411
new LP cover is too good
>>10631414
that story about smoking crack and shitting on a wall or something? it was insane
>>10631421
I cant help but feeling Culo are total tryhards.
>>10630926
disco's too damn funky to die.
>>10631413
Yeah basically you have to find a bar that's cool enough to let you run a show or do it at a VFW/KoC/FOE/CWV/Elk's Lodge and pay them. Making money can be tough if the venue fucks you over on age restrictions
>>10631421
I'll try to dig up the zine and post it later.
>>10631425
I heard about their first tour and it sounded like they were totally, but I think they literally tried too hard too long and became actual junkies
but yeah the beret trend RIP
>>10631425
All "punks" (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) are tryhards
>>10631401
if you dont like whats being posted here post some stuff then
>>10631447
He only knows about Titus Andronicus
>>10631434
>muh beret
>muh one leather glove
I'm glad that shit is over.
>>10629346
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>>10629559
this isn't punk you fucking moron
![spaghetti6[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KE08qS4.jpg "spaghetti6[1].jpg")
punk in 2015
DoH
>>10631504
Lol I just noticed those gold things are fucking twist ties used for bread.
the DIY aspect of crust punk is so cool
>>10631517
you idiots are really retarded for posting all these pictures of not punk fits or people like how can you be so retarded???
>>10631517
Yeah but the heroin abuse , never showering, and lack of support for punk bands is annoying
They're basically hippies
punk is literally tumblr fashion
>>10631517
Like
Yeah you go to see Panic
And everybody is cool as fuck
They're mostly thirty something office workers with southern ties
And then the fucking hippies come out
They all robbed their way to the venue, stole food instead of buying it, hopped the gate, won't share weed, and are generally ugly horrible people who feed off the system
Crusties are the same thing in punk
>>10629484
I think it's subtle enough. Only fellow weebs will know the reference and it looks/sounds cool either way.
I farted.
>>10629352
I've never seen SLP at any punk show ever
>>10629416
>punk look
>whitechapel
Choose one
>>10631594
tumblr is full of happy people who in turn have higher brian function not because they are more intelligent than us but because they are happier and have more sex. tumblr fashion is literally the fashion of cool people living cool lives.. get some perspective. if you like some one try and be cool around them and maybe say hi or do a nice gesture and save the world one female body at a time.
>>10632931
>>10629387
Disgusting sjw trash desu
>>10631411
I think I know who took this photograph.
>>10631411
>>10633111
Yeah, they're a relation of mine. Funky.
>>10630544
holy shit this made me laugh so hard
https://caitlinangelica.wordpress.com/page/3/
>>10631526
That Ogre from SP?
brb gonna go listen to capitalist Casualties
to try and erase all this filth I have seen
>>10633070
Is 86 Mentality a meme in current day hardcore? Most of the kids sporting their shirts aren't old enough to have bought them at actual 86M shows.
this was a fun thread
>>10629483
That poser has a Sublime patch on his jacket. Liking NOFX is the least of his problems.
Tbh, most of my punk friends just wear work boots, dickies and t-shirts to shows, because it literally is dead
Kill me
>>10635668
honestly that sounds more like a cross between really really casual punk and hardcore
>>10633498
The person that took these is my half-sister. You from Minneapolis?
>>10631381
>those thighs
>>10629706
>Bathory shirt
she's alright in my book.
>>10631494
wtf is that?
>>10631381
Aren't those strawtengus stairs? So I guess thats why he's been gone... old potato nose finally got the sex change
just realized that nobody has posted any links from Decline of Western Civilization 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoI7T759rWY
>>10631368
>implying
>>10636419
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>>10635964
Lumpy and the Dumpers doing Sex Pit live. The spaghetti is part of said sex pit.
>>10636419
His clothing isn't slim fit enough to be effay
>>10633852
They're a meme the same way minor threat is a meme.
Also Negative Approach is still touring 8-)
rad haircut
gauges, septum piercing
jean or black leather jacket with custom patch sewed on
skinny cut up jeans
doc martins
fucking retarded
>>10631368
It kinda is...
>>10629387
I'd say you're more indie rock than punk.
>>10639132
Detroit hardcore started and ended with Cold as Life
>>10631504
>joker button
>>10640020
its the same as Americans putting Japanese shit on everything.
its foreign and different
>>10631504
> in ear headphones
> 2015
It's called a Bluetooth ghetto blaster, fuccboi
>>10640357
>punk
>bloody beetroots
shaking my head family
>>10640356
shit looks noice
>>10631525
Was pretty good until the beret and boots.
>>10629332
punk actually is dead. Now it's just a bunch of faggots posing as punks
>>10643140
Punk was always filled with posers
So is every subculture
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Punk IS DEAD.
Punk was a sham run by malcolm mclaren. Only post-punk music's good because it was comprised of actualy musicians that stuck around after the trend had died.
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>>10644239
>Punk was a sham run by malcolm mclaren
>Punk only happened in the UK.
