So, Amadeus Cho is stated to be the seventh smartest person in the world. And is canon that Reed Richards is the most inteligent.
Who else is in like the top ten? I assume that Victor von Doom may be the 2nd or 3rd, and Tony Stark must be there also. Who else is inteligent/smart enough to be considered in the top ten? The Illuminatis? Bruce Banner?
Make your list, /co/
8th smartest according to Pym.:^)
Isn't Pym number 2?
>>84590320
I was actually thinking about this recently -- Now that quite a few people are dead/not in the universe (see: Pym, Richards, Banner) who's the current list? Should Amadeus move up? Have some additional intelligent people been introduced?
>>84590320
Adam Brashear
Valeria Richards
Madame Curie Cho
Monica Rappacini
Quentavius Quire
David Alleyne
>>84590320
Via Marvel Database:
Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic.
Henry Jonathan “Hank” Pym/Ant-Man; Giant-Man; Yellowjacket; Wasp; Goliath.
Robert Bruce Banner/Hulk.
Victor von Doom/Dr. Doom.
Anthony Edward Stark/Iron Man.
T'Challa/Black Panther.
Amadeus Cho.
Henry Phillip Mc
>>84590320
Captain America?
>>84590639
Is Valeria Richards smarter than Franklin?
>>84590775
How exactly is Banner over Victor Fucking Doom? What did Banner actuallly did? His transformation was an accident, and he never got to cure himself, at least until recently, after like fifty years of comics.
>>84590797
Franklin got the power, Valeria got the smarts.
Marvel's commentary on the status quo between man and woman obviously.
>>84590632
Could it be is all this sjw shit just to smokescreen the killing off of all the genius characters
>>84591061
>Marvel creating a canonically more stupid universe to fit its fans
Beautiful
>>84590320
1. Reed Richards
2. Peter Parker
3. Tony Stark
4. Adam Brashear
5. Victor Von Doom
6. T'Challa
7. Amadeus Cho
8. Bruce Banner
9. Everyone else
>>84590775
>T'Challa
Jesus. I know you need a black rep, but Adam Brashear exists. Other than that, I'm super comfy with that list, although Victor and Bruce should probably switch, and the absence of Valeria is weird
>>84590639
>>84590775
Except for Richards, Pym and Stark, they would all be B-listers in DC. I'm pretty sure even Vandal Savage beats them all, tho, and he's not in the top five.
>>84590879
Pak jerked him off into being a super scientist with a forcefield and shit when the most advanced think he built before that was a robot that wanted to suck his dick
>>84591114
lol look at this Spideyfag
>>84590879
He is still the world's leader in gama radiation
Probably not worth a spot that high though
>>84591114
>2. Peter Parker
>5. Victor Von Doom
>5
No.
>>84591215
No one besides Bruce Banner and his cast gives half a fuck about gamma radiation.
>>84591215
I'm fairly sure that Otto Octavius was more renowned in radiation, Reed Richards even called him in for a consult when Susan was having complications in her pregnancy due to their cosmic radiation exposure
1. Reed Richards
2. Henry Pym
3. Victor von Doom
4. Adam Brashear
5. Valeria Richards
6. Tony Stark
7. Amadeus Cho
8. Bruce Banner
9. Henry McCoy
10. Peter Parker
Thoughts?
1. Lex Luthor
2. ???
3. Mr. Terrific
Sivana, T.O.Morrow, Dr. Ivo, Will Magnus, Niles Caulder, Bruce Wayne
Black Panther?
Beast?
Maybe Sinister?
>>84591332
I'd put T'Challa above Beast at least, and Doom above Pym
>>84591114
I love spidey but he can barely fit into this list
>>84591161
>muh company wars
>>84590639
>David Alleyne
That's kinda cheating though
His mutant powers made him Beast + Xavier + Kitty Pryde + all of the other X-men + anyone else he ever ran into when he had his powers
>>84591222
Doom isn't really that smart.
>>84591125
>black panther
>not in the top 8
Damn man, do you even know how to PRETEND that you read comics?
>>84590775
How the "rank" which one is smarter?
And does they take consideration that these character would technically work on different áreas?
I mean, what is even the line of work of Banner and how can you compare it with what Doom studies?
>>84591332
Valeria is smarter than Reed.
>>84591386
>>84591386
I've never understood T'Challa to be a genius-level intellect, more like a master tactician like Steve Rogers or Scott Summer. Am I missing something?
And yeah, the Doom/Pym thing is really tricky. I think, for storytelling reasons, they have to be top 3, because if Pym isn't, like, the 2nd or 3rd, it cheapens the whole "tragic genius" thing, and if Doom isn't, it cheapens the relationship with Reed, which is super important.
Maybe you're right, I gave Pym #2 because I think he's more tarnished by third place than Doom is.
>>84591483
Is she, though? I always saw her as a "going to be the smartest as an adult" thing, but not yet actually that smart.
And I think there's like a difference of Tier between Brashear and Tony, so it made sense to put child Valeria there.
>>84591459
...what's going on in this thread? Is this a joke? Seriously now...Spidey fags are going too far
>>84591475
area of expertise doesn't matter in comics/movies/tv
Beast is a biologist, yet still is treated as the overall "science" guy of the X-Men.
Same with Reed, T'Challa and Pym. they all have very specific specialities, yet are the go-to's for anything science-y.
I think Tony is the only one who gets singled out for his engineering abilities and ignored for almost everything else.
>>84591114
>its that faggot that says that Peter is smarter than Batman.
>>84591582
>muh company wars pt.2
>>84591582
anon please rename that file to Ms Carvel
>>84591475
It's very subjective. But one thing is knowledge and other thing is intelligence. Maybe I read a book about, let's say, black holes, and now I know a lot about them. So I go to an architect and he knows shit about black holes, but he sees a situation and can instantly think of a full functional building.
Wisdom is like knowing a bunch of stuff. Inteligence is the ability yo make use of what you know. So maybe Banner knows best than no one about gamma radiation, but Tony Stark has actually proven to be able to adapt to almost everything. Therefore, Stark > Banner.
>>84591582
How do we feel about
>Tim Drake is smarter than Bruce
>Dick Grayson is more agile than Bruce
>Damian is a better fighter than Bruce
>Jason Todd is deader than Bruce
Thing, /co/?
I like it.
>>84591582
>it's that faggot that posted the same stupid picture in both threats and still doesn't realize noone gives a fuck about it
>>84591663
I always liked it, although I prefer
>Jason has more willpower than Bruce
albeit in a 'From Hell's heart, I stab at thee' sort of way.
>>84591550
oh no, I'm not saying Spidey should be that high either.
I'm just saying that Doom shouldn't be top 5. top 10 definitely, but not top 5.
Pete should be considered maybe top 20. He has potential and the ability to be top 10, but he squandered it by becoming Spider-Man.
In the comics hes interned for (and impressed) Reed Richards. Had the opportunity to work for Stark. and is generally regarded as a generic comics science wunderkind.
>>84591475
Tony's a futurist, a master engenieer and he can figure the logic out of everything.
>>84591114
>Peter Parker
I know it's been part of his character basically since his inception, but I'm actually not a fan of Parker being a super-genius. Smart, sure, but it really takes away from the 'regular teen/guy' angle that Spidey works best from when he's got smarts on the levels of the world's brightest.
1. Reed Richards
2. Victor von Doom
3. Hank Pym
4. Bruce Banner
5. Tony Stark
6. T'Challa
7. Hank McCoy
8. Amadeus Cho
9. Who cares?
Peter Parker might be 9, Otto Octavius could be up there as well. I'm sure I'm missing someone.
Valeria is off the list, she's always talked about in terms of potential, I don't think she's there yet though.
>>84591663
No.
Tim Drake is not smarter than Batman.
Damian is not a better fighter than Batman.
Jason Todd is not deader than Batman.
Literally the only thing there that's even remotely accurate is the line about Dick.
What is wrong with you?
>>84590797
She is smarter than everyone which was why I stopped reading FF.
>>84591295
Yeah but banner is hyperspecilised gamma radiation specifically
>>84591746
He and Kitty Pryde always get oversold on intelligence to me. Sure they're smart, like top of their college class, but not world changing levels.
>>84591459
>Invented time travel
>invented non pym particle shrinking/growing technology independent from pym
>top tier force field
>iron man tier armor
>invented near Pym tier AI
>all this while being hte second best wizard on earth
Fuck off
what about this guy?
>>84591764
Hickman jerked Valeria off almost as much as he did Doom and showed her being just barely not as smart as Reed
>>84591775
That sucks dick, though.
Then all the Robins are just shittier versions of Bruce. If each of them doesn't have anything to distinguish them, then they're just a waste of space. Why bother training a Robin at all? They're just going to be worse than Bruce.
>>84591332
Is Pym seriously number 2? If he is, then he'd have some respect, even if he fucked up often.
>>84591892
Not that anon, but seems to e pretty obvious.
Because having more heroes is good in universe?
>>84591868
>Hickman jerked off Doom
This fucking meme needs to die
>Doom was retarded at the start of the story and had to have Richards unretard him
>Doom loses almost every fight he's in in the story
>Doom becomes a little girl's bitch
>Doom gets BTFO by his own creations when he becomes """""""God""""""""
Actually read a comic and stop spouting /co/ memes
>>84591892
1,5 Bruce > 1 Bruce
Simple math, you fucking retarded
>>84591993
I think that's the point. He doesn't get any props for his shit.
Did you read Rage of Ultron? You should read Rage of Ultron.
>>84592018
I'm saying, from a story-telling perspective, the dynamic between Bruce and the Robins is kind of pallid if he's just better than all of them at literally everything.
>>84591702
>I'm just saying that Doom shouldn't be top 5. top 10 definitely, but not top 5.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Doom's whole thing is he's basically the eternal second best.
He's second fiddle to Reeds in brains, second fiddle to Strange in magic, second fiddle to T'Challa in kingdom.
That infinitely bruised ego is what made him an enjoyable supervillain, back when he actually was one.
>>84591868
How public is Valeria's intelligence, though? Enough for her to qualify for an official list like the one Amadeus gets his credentials from?
I'm almost inclined to think that Doom wouldn't be on it, either - it's not like he'd let anyone test his intelligence.
>>84591332
Where do they fit in?
>>84592072
The Robins are young and still have potential to grown, kind of makes more sense.
>>84592094
>second fiddle to T'Challa in kingdom
Is that one true, though? I always got the vibe that he was down with being less than Reed and Steven because he was still top ruler.
Have there been any particular interactions with T'Challa?
>>84592152
>Enough for her to qualify for an official list like the one Amadeus gets his credentials from?
Amadeus got his title from a soap company online contest, it's not really official
>>84592163
I don't know who these people are.
>>84592174
For Damien, I guess, but the rest have graduated.
>>84592163
Nowhere moviefag
>>84592177
I totally remember a Black Panther tie-in where T'Challa and Storm go to Latveria. I think that first Doom send them a gift to their wedding, and then they payed him a visit.
Don't remember how that ended, tho. Not a fight, but I can't remember what Doom wanted to talk about with them.
>>84591993
The issue with Pym is that Pym fucks up as often as he does well, and lets face it - everyone remembers the fuck-ups, just like IRL.
Look at Ultron. He managed to make an easy-bake way to create AI. This is fucking mind-blowing. AI right out of the box.
But of course Ultron was a lunatic and so no one really thinks "Wow Pym you're a fucking genius".
>>84592177
He doesn't have much against T'Challa, but it's pretty much always been established that Wakandawhen it's not floodedis pretty much the Bee's Knees in terms of a countries progression.
Latveria is more stable though, given the infighting in Wakanda and Latveria's policing so I can totally be down with anyone who disagrees with me
>>84592019
I read a lot of comics and Hickman's FF/F4 has a fair bit of Doomwank (especially compared to the previous runs). Future Franklin tells young Franklin that all hope lies with Doom, Val makes secret pacts with Doom because he is so much better than Reed and in Secret Wars Doom becomes God-Emperor.
You are right that the amount of Doomwank is exaggerated, in fact my initial post should have been that he "jerked Valeria off even more than he did Doom"
Yo, what about cosmic characters? Are they all pure energy and power? Isn't there like an ultra genious super mind out there? Where's Marvel's Brainiac?
>>84592305
also Pym Particles
>>84591815
Those two are rarely shown to actually be that intelligent. Just other characters jerking them off. Like Richards claiming that if Peter applied himself, he could match him in genius.
>>84592407
Typically when people do the Smartest Characters thing it means humans
>>84592472
>>84591815
>not world changing levels
Peter I can sort of see, considering he made his incredibly versatile webshooters at about 15. He also managed to hack Stark's spidey-suit gift to prevent it from fucking him over during Civil War.
Pryde, well I have no fucking idea what the hell is up with that
>>84592400
>Future Franklin tells young Franklin that all hope lies with Doom
And that turns out to be Doom buying other characters 28 minutes of time so they can do something important while he gets fucked up by Celestials
>Val makes secret pacts with Doom because he is so much better than Reed
No that's because he actually will let her do dangerous shit and respects her intelligence, while Reed (naturally as her father) coddles and over protects her
> in Secret Wars Doom becomes God-Emperor
Not part of FF/F4, but his lackluster Avengers story, completely irrelevant
>>84592580
i think just power creep. She was good with computers and that became super hacker and that became super genius.
>>84592305
More importantly, where does Namor fit into all this?Is there a single human alive that prefers Aquaman? I would be interested in speaking with them.
>>84592400
>jerked Valeria off even more than he did Doom
He really did wank her to an absurd degree
>>84591114
Spidey is like straight A's in high school smart not "super genius"level.
>>84592682
Then he literally wanked off every intelligent character in the story
>HURR REED WAS SMART HE WAS SO WANKED OFF
>>84590320
I believe the canon is:
1.Reed/Doom
3.Tony Stark
4.T'Challa
5.Banner
6.Beast
7.Pym
8.Cho
After that its a crapshoot:
-Valeria Richards (will be #1 one day)
-Peter Parker
-The Leader
-The Mad Thinker
-The Wizard
-Nadia Pym (Nu-Wasp)
-Dr.Nemesis
-Mr. Sinister
-Dr. Strange
-Doc Ock
>>84592666
>Is there a single human alive that prefers Aquaman? I would be interested in speaking with them.
Ask me anything, satan
>>84592163
Literally who
>>84592804
I'd put Pym above Beast and Banner.
>>84592635
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense
At this point I'd shake my fist at the sky and unleash an unearthly cry of rage and pain"BENDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!"
but I am so whacked out on painkillers I cannot remember if he was responsible for any of that.
>>84592666
Honestly, I love them both.
Namor for his interactions with other heroes
Aquaman for his interactions with his villains
Black Manta is one of the worst villains of all time, but he's also like a guilty pleasure. He is the 3AM McDonald's double quarter pounder of villains.
>>84592753
see >>84592580
While he's not super intelligent in every comic, no one in Marvel is. Marvel intelligence is a plot device more than it is any actual display of prowess.
>>84592804
>Pym at 7
I can't agree with that
Pym is a friggen mindwizard
>>84591114
If Peter Parker is so smart how come his life is a mess?
>84592817
Why, double-satan?
I always thought DC was too afraid to lean into Aquaman in all the ways they could.
Like, Namor has been a hero, a villain, the ruler of a powerful enemy state, anti-hero, Predator-esque stalker monster in The Depths. Aquaman seems really underdeveloped by comparison.
>>84593009
Wisdom is his dump stat
>>84592922
>Black Manta a bad villain
I'm Namor guy, I really like Black Manta. He's just a force of nature, like Bullseye or something.
He doesn't have the complexity of Doom or something, but I still think he's one of DC's best villains, if only for the simplicity.
>>84592919
>>84592922
Pym probably should be higher, but his own crazy tends to get in the way of his smarts
>>84592789
Reed is at conventional Reed intelligence the whole run and rarely gets any big science feats, Val and the other Future Foundation kids cure Ben (only for regular short intervals but still it's a problem that Reed's been working on since the first issues of F4).
>>84593143
>He's just a force of nature, like Bullseye or something.
Bullseye isn't a force of nature, he's an evil piece of shit
>>84592627
>And that turns out to be Doom buying other characters 28 minutes of time so they can do something important while he gets fucked up by Celestials
It's still structured as a big "wow we need Doom to do this because only Doom could do this" thing
>No that's because he actually will let her do dangerous shit and respects her intelligence, while Reed (naturally as her father) coddles and over protects her
Even if it's not wanking his intelligence it's showing how much better a mentor/partner Doom is for Val than her dad.
>Not part of FF/F4, but his lackluster Avengers story, completely irrelevant
I was talking Hickman in general and his tendency to Doom/Val wank so any Hickman Marvel work is relevant.
>>84593051
It's just a matter of taste. Namor is more intersting, but he's more like an edgy sea ruler. I like that Aquaman's stories are all about him being a man of two worlds, and none of them actually embraces him.
>>84593143
Well like I said. I don't think he's well writtenhis ever-changing backstory, while it's become a sign of his dickheadry now, is an example, but I adore him. There is nothing quite like a villain whose sole purpose is to fuck over a hero.
>>84593217
Well so is Black Manta. He butchers civilians for no reason other than that Aquaman is alive.
>>84593097
This makes sense, like Tony Peter has low wisdom but he compensates with his high Charisma.
>>84592305
>Latveria is more stable though, given the infighting in Wakanda and Latveria's policing so I can totally be down with anyone who disagrees with me
Latveria has been bombed out time and time again and is generally unstable as hell.
Remember when the FF took over the country and let the USA establish a puppet government? Remember Secret War? Lucia von Bardas?
I mean, when Doom is on point as a dictator Latveria is prosperous, but personal freedoms are at a minimum.
Wakanda is canon the most ridiculously OP nation on the planet. Sure, BP has to balance his goals and ideals with those of the tribal council, and has to fight off insurrections every so often, but when talking quality of life, economy, tech, etc., Wakanda (and BP) ranks first.
>>84593217
>he's an evil piece of shit
Except evil isn't a thing. Bullseye and Black Manta just appear into your like and fuck shit up, like a hurricane or something.
>>84593417
Manta is rage incarnate.
Bullseye is just a typical psychopath.
Fing Fang Foom is a force of nature
>>84593375
>Wakanda
That's what I thought but honestly I've never read a whole heap of BP so I didn't wanna argue over it.
I'll need to give it a go once I finish with Strange
>Latveria has been bombed out time and time again and is generally unstable as hell
Well I was considering Latveria during peace time rather than after shit's gone down. You're right that shit does tend to go down more than it should though
I guess this only makes my original argument of Wakanda > Latveria more accurate, so thanks anon
>>84592753
Literally year one Peter was inventing formulas to counteract specific attacks within seconds of going into battle.
>>84590320
I really hate how everyone in the Marvel universe is a super ultra mega genus. It removes a lot of tension and story potential when everybody just automatically knows everything about everything.
>>84593597
No profit = No genious
He has Parker Industries now, but it took him like two decades to finally figure it.
>>84593686
Reed Richards is literally the only person that describes, and his stories probably end in him not being able to find a solution more often that not.
Could you be any more of a casual?
>>84590320
Stark only makes the top ten due to power creep and massive amounts of money.
>>84591815
>>84592500
>>84592580
Peter sort of does occasionally show massive amounts of intelligence.
It's almost always in response to some threat a villain presents so it's not always focused on as an intelligence feat but he is capable of making some supreme bullshit overnight armed with only his high school chemistry set and parts from radioshack.
He's improvised tech to disable electro (stronger than Magneto in powers as admitted by Magneto himself) while the rest of the world can't even stop Magneto from strolling around wherever the hell he wants.
His spider-webs in general, the tracers he "just whipped up" while Pym spent years making an equivalent, and the fact that he is remotely capable of understanding Reed's wizardry without it being dumbed down are all points in his favor.
The problem is status quo so since he never used most of his potential by the time the 90's hit he's eternally prevented from advancement and/or would hit the same wall Reed has where Marvel tries to pretend Reed can't fix ten billion problems. It's still nonsense to consider him 2nd place but he's still a wildcard that can suddenly appear out of nowhere and do top 5 bullshit.
>>84592919
Beast has Shi'ar tech and had to take credit for other people's work. Beast doesn't deserve to be nearly on the same tier he's presented as being on for the last 20ish years.
>>84593770
When has Electro even shown the level of magnitude and control as Magneto?
>>84593770
>>84593869
This. I'm afraid I need some evidence, because I don't remember this being a thing.
>>84592804
The canon is:
Reed Richards
Hank Pym
Bruce Banner
Victor von Doom
Tony Stark
T'Challa
Amadeus Cho
Hank McCoy
Doesn't say who rounds out the top 10 though.
>>84593939
Adam Brashear
>>84593869
Control? Yes despite apperances. Magnitude. He's outright higher.
Him not doing something with all that control and power is thanks to him being retarded.
Spider-man villains tend to be obscenely powerful while being too stupid to actually do anything with their power.
>>84593909
We literally just finished a crisis of infinite electros surfing the multiverse. Electro is OP as shit but requires somebody smart to explain what the fuck to do.
>>84593770
>His spider-webs in general, the tracers he "just whipped up" while Pym spent years making an equivalent, and the fact that he is remotely capable of understanding Reed's wizardry without it being dumbed down are all points in his favor.
Yeah that was always bullshit
>>84594055
It seems like Spider-Man doesn't actually do anything with his inventiveness that really defines his fights besides the webs. Almost like his ability to practically apply his intelligence to his crimefighting tapped out when he was 16. Meanwhile with Reed and Stark their inventions ARE how they fight.
>>84594055
You're claiming that things that existed when the characters were first created are bullshit.
At that point one might as well claim everyone on the list doesn't count because the stuff they do is bullshit.
I could give you the able to be a contemporary of Richards thing but I swear that's been a thing since at least the Romita days and as such been around long enough to be considered part of his character.
Peter's Super science prowess/ranking is more of an accident than a deliberate thing.
Writers make him do something and then later somebody realizes that Peter just pulled off some grade A nonsense with chewing gum, a potato, and whatever he found in a garbage can.
>>84594223
In the second round spider-man generally makes a new invention to assist in the fight. The webs are the mainstays. The specific inventions for a fight tend to just be disposable to him and only now are sticking around since he has a corporate vehicle to market them.
Tony mostly just advances because our own technology advances nowadays. He was much more impressive in the early days (despite the lower technology) when he could (in a what if) make a giant robot specifically to wreck Magneto's shit that siphons off Magneto's attacks for it's own power.
>>84594801
No I'm saying that spider tracers being something hard to make is bullshit
>>84594005
What are you talking about? They don't even have the same powers.
>>84595078
It's the electromagnetic spectrum. Stuff tends to blend together there when you have the ability to manipulate it. The power sets are extremely similar but Magneto( unlike Electro) actually bothered to learn physics for several decades.
>>84594911
The problem with that isn't on Peter's side. It's on Pym's side since it took him years of research to make a general equivalent and he is indisputably a Super-Genius which shoves the spider-tracers automatically into Super-Genius tier.
1. Valerial Infection
2. Reedizzle Richizzle
3. Hanky Pym
4. Victor van Damme
5. Tony Starks
6. Nathaniel Essex
7. Hamedeus Cho
8. Tchalla
9. Henry McCoy
10. The Leader
...11. Doc Ock
>>84593996
True. Blue Marvel was created the same year Parker made this list.
Blue Marvel really should be somewhere in the middle of all this. He certainly beats out Cho and McCoy.
>>84595829
Blue Marvel is Tier S, with Reed, Valeria, Doom, and Pym.
>>84592552
Fuck that arc was entertaining.
>>84593939
The canon is actually:
1. Reed
2. Victor
3. Pym
Bruce
Tony
McCoy
T'Challa
8. Cho (literally says it all the time)
I stopped counting at Banner because at that point its all really debatable based on the comic. Its all marginal anyway. Reed as already acknowledged that he is only slightly smarter than Tony, its the same for the rest. They just have their own quirks that make each special.
>>84593245
So those two minor things outweigh him getting bitchmade by the evil Reeds, then needing to be saved by Reed and his dad? That's all that constitutes wank for you? You're such a nitpicking faggot
What about Reed's dad? He fucked off from Reed's life to be an interdimensional science weirdo
>>84591440
>David Alleyne
He is smart but he is neither innovative nor does he compare to the real thing. He is basically just a bootleg copy of the original.
>>84591775
>Tim Drake is not smarter than Batman.
But he is when it comes to tech stuff.
>Damian is not a better fighter than Batman.
Obviously, he is still only a kid.
>Jason Todd is not deader than Batman.
What? Did you forget the fact that he have a bs magic sword that he can pull from his anus and guns!
>>84598422
If innovation was a requirement then Val shouldn't be on the list since she has never developed anything original of her own
>>84598685
Innovation is not limited to creation of new products. It also applies towards new and creative ideas. Something which Valeria displayed in Hickman's run.
>>84590320
Mr Terrific is the smartest motherfucker in the world because he advertises himself as number 3.
Egomaniacs don't give a shit about beating number 3. When was the last time Luthor or Sivana went after Mr Terrific? It's never happened.
Think of how much trouble Reed Richards would save if he did the same thing.
>>84599097
Because neither Luthor nor Sivana wants to deal with the backlash and drama of a white man beating the living shit out of a black man.
