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This is Citizen Kane of graphic novels.
People seem to like these old disney comics, specifically about scrooge it seems. I'm curious as to why though? What makes them good?
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>>84470539
They're crazy and full of feels.
>>84470630
O ME O LIFE
HERE IN THE WILD
>>84470630
>full of feels.
Stop it. I want an actual response as I'm genuinely curious, and feel like I may be missing out on something, not some shitty cancerous buzzword reply.
>>84470509
>Citizen Kane
That movie isn't famous because of how good it was, but because it changed the way people made movies.
>>84470509
So, very boring and overrated?
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>>84470539
Don Rosa took cartoon ducks and made them into real characters with deep motivations, conflicting emotions and almost as many bad traits as good ones.
It's also violent, epic and kinda poignant tale about human condition.
![rd01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eTJMLRB.jpg "rd01[1].jpg")
Well, it references Citizen Kane
>graphic novels
You're using it wrong.
In my opinion, Cerebus the Aardvark is the Citizen Kane of comics. Neither are the greatest of their mediums, but they are both arguably those mediums' most important and influential works.
Too bad it's too long for most people's attention spans.
>>84470539
>funny
>beautiful art
>well-written characters
>steeped in history
>lighthearted and fun
>action and adventure
Duck comics are just so pure. They tell great, funny stories without the grimdark bullshit that's in most comics.
>>84470886
>recommending borevark
>>84470509
>shelled out $100 for my Sandman Omnibus #1
>still cant muster the strength to snag a delicious hardcover of this at around $120 (last i looked)
>>84470968
Fanta is putting out all of Rosa's duck comics dude including life and times, get those. The first half is already out.
>>84470916
Could you explain why you disagree without resorting to memes?
>>84471027
Well he said "borevark" so I'm guessing he finds the comic boring. Probably too much talking and not enough punching
Eurofag here.
How can I buy this fucking book without spending a shitload of money or relying on shitty translated editions?
>>84470674
About this specific story, it's because it's literally Citizen Kane: Scrooge McDuck edition. We see his origins, his adventures, his fortune, and his fall from grace. It's a very entertaining story, and written well, too.
>>84470674
Don't whine like a little bitch when people give you an answer.
>>84470886
Cerebus is good, but you really just need to read the last day and know the context. That is a perfect read.
>>84470886
Cerebus is pretty forgotten.
>>84471105
You gave me a fucking non answer that someone from a fucking gumball thread would say. If you can't even explain why you like it, then shut the fuck up.
>>84470705
>>84470906
>>84471088
Sounds cool.
>>84471143
>autism
>>84471061
To be fair it is pretty boring, its just words the comic
>>84471156
I equate people who say buzzword shit like "comfy" and "full of feels" with a certain type of people that should always be ignored. It's possible to talk about something without coming across like an aspie. You should try it.
>>84471228
>complaining about buzzwords
>uses asspie
>>84470906
>inb4 people call Rosa an autist because he put effort into his work
>>84471143
>>84471228
>>84470674
Why are DisneyComicfags always such shitholes?
>>84471140
This, nobody says "Wow, that comic was Cerberus tier!" because nobody outside sim fanboys jerk off over it, they're the ultimate smarmy comic fans.
>>84470886
Didn't that turn into an Atlas Shrugged-length rant about how much the writer hated women?
>>84471293
They are old
>>84470509
Citizen Kane fan fiction maybe
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Story about a fucking billionaire duck with Scottish accent made me cry.
I guess it must be pretty good.
Why Europeans have such a shitty taste?
>>84471105
>>84470705
>American colouring
>Everything changes colour randomly from panel to panel, backgrounds are inexplicably pink or yellow or purple for no reason
>Never any hand-painted gradients or details
I'm so glad I read the European, higher budget versions of these comics.
Just such a fucking shame that there's no scans of them online.
Proper colouring makes a shitload of difference in establishing tone and making the art appealing.
>>84470539
>>84470674
fucking read that shit nigga
better adventure stories than tin tin
better writing than alan moore
>>84470509
better direct comparison to citizen kane in terms of style would be charley's war
>>84473256
any page example on the web, anon?
didn't know about the shitty coloring issue.
>>84470674
>He hasn't read Life and Times
Shit man, I'm sorry for you.
>>84473578
Why?
He can experience it for the first time now.
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>>84473448
Like I said, scans don't seem to exist. This picture of the Norwegian version of Life & Times should speak for itself though. The comic was released in an embossed, glossy hardcover format, the kind usually reserved for stuff like special collector's editions of Lord of the Rings or whatever. The title is in gold foil. The pages were all parchment-textured for extra comfy. This is how much we care about these ducks over here. And keep in mind this was sold in every random convenience store in the country as well as book and comic shops.
>>84473670
Thanks for the info, anon!
*thumb up
>>84473256
>Everything changes colour randomly from panel to panel, backgrounds are inexplicably pink or yellow or purple for no reason
There isn't anything like that in the two pages you quoted. What the fuck are you talking about?
I like both barks and Rosa. Is there a way where I could get their omnibuses?
>>84473920
Fantagraphics has been releasing them all in hardcovers.
>>84473920
Get the Fantagraphics Library collection.
>>84470509
Why won't disney make an animated film from this?
>>84473948
fantastic!
Gotta check em out then, are they in amazon?
>>84473956
it wouldnt make money
>>84473956
the voice actor passed away.
And because current disney are cucks.
>>84473961
Yes, searching Carl Barks or Don Rosa on Amazon should bring up the omnibuses as some of the first search results.
>>84473992
Different person here but is there any difference between loose omnibus's and the two-book "gift boxes"? Because some of the two-sets seem to be cheaper than the indivual books and some are way pricier and I can't really see why.
>>84473670
looks amazing, any screenshoots that we could use to compare?
I feel very sad about this.
>>84473956
You need a new VA, its a big risk and little certainty. Disney action movies and ones geared towards boys usually underperform. The money is in neutral Pixar movies, princesses, and comedy.
>>84474050
No difference. Amazon's just making it cheaper to buy in bulk.
>>84473956
There is no love lost between Rosa and Disney, at least the American brnach
>>84474050
The box sets are just two books packaged together in a box. The books themselves would be identical to buying them individually.
>>84474050
Just cheaper if you are willing to fork out more to get them at once.
Also, they come out one by one individually before they pack the two together later.
>>84474050
Fantagraphics seems to be a big fan of slipcase releases these days you save like 10 bucks on the slipcase compared to buying separately but you end up having to wait for the deal to come out after the 2 volumes collected in them are out for awhile.
>>84474123
>>84474159
Worth mentioning: Back in January, Fantagraphics did this Fantabucks thing on their website where you could purchase $100 worth of online store credit for $50. I got two of those and bought a bunch of the box sets with them. With the already discounted box sets now half off, each set costed me less than if I were to buy a single book at normal price. I don't know if that's an annual thing they do or what but if they do that again next year and you don't mind waiting that long and then buying a bunch of books at once, that would save you a lot of money overall.
>>84474294
How was their personal shipping?
>>84474314
Good. The $200 worth of books I had bought all came in one shipment. Each box set was shrinkwrapped and the books being dented isn't a concern since they were in boxes. Everything was also held together with packing peanuts.
>>84474314Yeah, what is their OTP?Spoiler'd for shitty joke
>>84473956
>yfw it gets a multi-part episode adaptation in the Ducktales reboot
>tfw you stopped in the middle bc you couldn't find the hidden Duck in the title page and didn't wanna read the story b4 finding it
I know pic related isn't /co/ but...
>>84470705
I'm gonna pull a John K here and say that while I love the old Scrooge comics, those humans with a dog nose are pure uncanny valley to me.
Why didn't they just do like Sakai does? It's such a bizarre way of stylizing.
>>84474457
Publisher's mandate for consistency with other Disney books.
>>84473986
European audiences would push it to Frozen levels.
>>84474457
Don Rosa was forced by Disney to use dog noses for some retarded reason.
Disney has been constantly undermining his and every other comic artist's creativity for as long as they've existed. They have hundreds of rules that every artist must follow and that barely ever make sense.
Rosa also always wanted to do stories about the nephews' parents as well as Donald's own parents, but was never allowed to. He had to fight to even be allowed to use Scrooge's other sister, Donald's aunt, for that one single story.
>>84473986
>>84474560
It'd make more money than whatever the fuck this is.
>>84474599
>>84474539
Ugh. That's really painful to hear.
>>84474457
>>84474539
>>84474599
>>84474693
You guys should read this if you haven't. Really heartbreaking stuff.
http://career-end.donrosa.de/
>>84474664
That was more a case of Disney throwing the movie under the bus due to behind the scenes conflicts with Spielberg and Dreamworks.
>>84470630
Best song on that album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWwSVOo5K_k
>>84474056
>>84473448
Looked around for a while and was able to find a single shitty photo of the... I think Finnish version? Still, I think it's pretty representative of the European version overall. Notice how much warmer and fuller the colours are, and how they actually coloured every part of the image instead of using the fill tool. Stuff like the horse armor reflecting the bluish sky from the right and the fiery glow from the left, where in the American version it's just a flat yellow. This goes on through the whole comic.
>>84474736
I hope more people like this exist. Fucking inspiring.
>>84470539
Heart and fucking soul.
And cool History/geography lessons.
And they're funny.
Look kid, Disney is fucking corporate garbage now, but at one time it did mean something to work for Disney, and that's the Disney that produced these comics.
>>84470509
About to read this since I've had it downloaded for a while and haven't gotten around to it, to all the Duck-literate Anons here, should I read it with the zero and in-between issues, or just the original twelve issues for the first reading?
>>84471343
To be honest, this thread is proving that duck fans are the smarmiest fans.
>>84476725
Read the originals first. There's more great stories, but I think it can get a little too stretched. While singular comics are great, the overarching plot may be a little lost.
>>84477193
I'm of the opposite opinion. I feel like the extra stories (with the exception of 0) are best read so that they fit chronologically.
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This is brutal
>>84477457
Alright
I never claimed to have the supreme opinion
Pretty much everything by Don Rosa is worth reading is just the matter of order
>>84476191
>Look kid
I'm 30.
>>84474412
i forgot about that. has there been any news on the reboot? i wanna hear the new themesong.
>>84470697
...and because of how good it was. That shit holds up.
>>84476725
Read the two chapter 8 mid chapters alongside the main story and read the rest after finishing chapter 12.
I feel like the stuff with Goldie is important to Scrooge's development as a character.
>>84473956
Good question. Even if it flops, it's not like a flop is gonna be a big deal for them anyway.
>>84473256
Why don't you just call it "coloring"?
>>84474072
If the issue is only with VA, then we might get a slim chance of the movie if the replacement Scrooge is acceptable and we get enough vocal about our demand for the film.
/tv/ thread last time was fucking best, thanks for reminding me again with this masterpiece
>>84479084
because he was specifying that our good freedom coloring is shit compared to europoops. or if you didnt mean your question like that, he spelled it that way because they throw an unnecessary "U" in some words (but i like the "U")
But what is the Dark Souls of graphic novels?
>>84479813
the tie in comicsbuh dum tshhhhhh
>>84479813
Hellyboy?
Dark and awesome both are yes?
>>84474783
spielberg should had done it with only dreamworks then.
>>84475124
This looks awesome! Do you think I could get it from the UK or Spain?
since spanish and english are languages that I talk.
It could be french too but... I think I prefer english due to its original language.
>>84470539
Fucking read them you casual
>>84477737
and you dont know this shit?
You where literally raised among the corporate disney crap.
>>84475124
I prefer the flat colors. It's a restoration job to make the comics look as close to the original release as possible in an archival process
The only changes they've made where if it was known that either Barks or Rosa weren't happy with something in the original release
>>84470886
Alan Moore said the comic went to shit because the author went fucking crazy. Is he right, or it still worth reading?
>>84480358
>You where literally raised among the corporate disney crap.
How do you figure that?
>>84480456
He also said " Cerebus, as if I need to say so, is still to comic books what Hydrogen is to the Periodic Table"
>>84471140
Because literally no one knows anything about comics history. Cerebus literally proved self publishing and small press direct market companies could exist. Valiant, Fantagraphics and Dark Horse couldn't exist without it.
It's not super influential to the genre or medium in terms of story or art though, which is a shame, because using a background artist and actually dedicating multiple issues to action sequences would be great trends for western comics
>>84480456
>trusting Alan Moore
>>84480216
Dreamworks Live Action has had a distribution deal with Disney for the last couple of years and BFG was the last movie that was part of that. But Katzenberg had Spielberg put it specifically under Disney Pictures instead of the Dreamworks label to avoid confusion with Dreamworks Animation what with BFG being a kids movie.
>>84480456
It goes to shit after about 200 issues, so yes.
>>84480552
Fantagraphics was created a few years before Cerberus was released
>>84480654
And when did it start thriving? After creator owned and driven comics became more and more normalized and lauded as Aadvark-Vaniheim grew.
>>84480431
Not only that but with the Rosa reprints I'm pretty sure every publisher that has released them worked with Rosa with them.
>>84480622
>not trusting the sanest living person on this blue earth
>>84480456
To quote someone else:
>The cheapest preview is a single issue called Cerebus #0. If you like it, buy more:
>First book: Cerebus: the "funny-animal" original stories--they read like unusually ambitious Dragonmirth strips but are maybe essential to understanding the more serious stuff that follows.
>High society--the first intimations of awesomeness.
>Church and State and Jakas Story--What the legend is built on. This is the goods right here. Wintry weird politics, slapstick, isolation, and eccentric worldbuilding.
>Melmoth--expendable divagation into an Oscar Wilde obsession.
>Flight, Women, Reads, Minds--Good, interesting, maybe great, but the rot is clearly approaching and the misogyny first appears I think in Reads. (Cerebus is rather like the Star Wars question: everyone agrees Empire is the best and that at some point the franchise became terrible--nobody agrees about what point that is.)
>Guys--Not as terrible as it is about to get, but clearly now just an old hippie telling jokes about bars.
>From then on: total mind rot in progress. Very sad.
>>84480622
I trust Neil Gaiman, who also recommends Cerebus highly.
>>84480654
>>84480676
You're both right and wrong. Fantagraphics was founded one year before Cerebus.
>>84480685
>being able to imply such a thing with a straight face
>>84480946
Hello corporate apologist, I bet you also think Don Rosa is wrong for being on bad terms with our Benevolent Overlords at Disney.
>>84480998
>disagreeing with the notion that Moore is sane means you support the Disney corporation
Astounding leap of logic there
>>84480552
>It's not super influential to the genre or medium in terms of story or art though,
Cerebus is super influential to the medium in terms of story, but not necessarily in a good way.
It started the trend ofhalf-assing the singles and instead writing for the trade.
>>84481071
So what, you're angry at Moore for not forgiving DC after they violated their contract with him?
>>84480998
I can respect Don's bitterness with Disney and their archaic "No royalties for reprinted stories" system, but the "DUCKTALES ISN'T REAL SCROOGE REEEEE" or the "Scrooge doesn't count as a Disney character because he was created by Barks, never mind the fact that it was work-for-hire and other writers were using him in Barks heyday" attitude he and some of his fans have is super annoying.
>>84481124
I'm making fun of Moore for being a phenomenal faggot
>>84481170
Oh, good to know. You don't actually have a reason then, just memes.
>>84471451
It's in there somewhere. He rants about a lot of things.
>>84477471
Well I can see you're going to make me post it.
>>84481181
Alan Moore's faggotry surpasses merely being a meme
>>84481330
I'm being trolled what do I do
>>84481371
Ignore it. Cease participation in the conversation. Tomorrow you'll be kicking yourself, thinking of all the counterarguments you could have made to prove that Moore is a great guy. In two days you'll have forgotten what the troll said. In three days you'll have forgotten that the conversation even occurred in the first place. Life goes on. Go live it some other way.
