>Adapted the panel from the left
>took out all the conflict and consequence
Perfectly sums up the MCU
Top fucking kek.
>>84435511
Do you really want to bait? Here this should get a faster reaction
>>84435511
Comics are shit.
The MCU is shit.
The DCEU is shit.
Top fucking kek
>>84435511
Except the one on the right wasent a shit story
>>84435554
Guy on the right will take all of them on the left.
Why? This triggers my autism.
>>84435554
>it's read right to left
10/10
>>84435597
>it's a /co/ pretends civil war was bad episode
>>84435620
I never noticed it but that's probably part of the point.
Its supposed to trigger on multiple levels
>>84435667
>he thinks /co/ didn't completely shit on the comic civil war event
kek
>>84435722
civil war is one of the only decent events in recent memory, what drugs are you on?
>>84435667
>Pretends
>>84435667
The worst episode of the worst season
>summer
>>84435511
>>took out all the conflict and consequence
The central conflict is arguably better in the movie. It's more nuanced and plays to the characterizations in a way that makes more sense. I will agree that the absence of consequence was frustrating though.
>>84435785
>>84435943
>The central conflict is arguably better in the movie.
Fucking Bucky?
People blaming Ultron on the Avengers and people forgeting that it was Tony's fault?
Cap getting mad at Tony putting Scalet Witch in house arrest despite the fact that she helped Ultron to murder people and the Sakovia thing?
3/10, nice special effects and action scenes excluding everything minus the airport and final scene
>>84435511
conflict and consequence?
nigga that was so fucking personal for tony. I totally felt his position afterwards. Yeah, Captain had the high ground with the accords, but he fucking lost on that personal level.
compare that to the stakes at all from batman vs. superman. that fight was fucking weak as fuck.
the fight between cap and tony felt fucking personal.
>>84436002
>3/10
>>84435597
>MCU
>not a shit story
>>84436002
top capekino
>>84436002
Not that much more contrived than the shit that happens through the comics, but the comic did have a better central conflict.
>>84436002
>People blaming Ultron on the Avengers and people forgeting that it was Tony's fault?
Tony is an Avenger.
So is Wanda, and she's responsible for Ultron, too.
>>84435511
the comic was fucking shit. i dont understand why people think it was good, it was fucking terrible.
>>84436002
Being a contrarian doesnt get you laid buddy
>>84435554
https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/2eh3dd/goku_and_vegeta_vs_entire_marvel_universe/
https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/3qncvb/current_goku_and_vegeta_vs_marvel_pic_inside/
Have fun
>>84436027
Did you even read the comic. I mean, it was fucking shit, but it was a hell of a lot better than that weak ass movie. Especially during the ending. The MCU, as always, waters everything down and cuts out some of the best parts.
>>84435511
What's with all the bait threads lately?
>>84436027
>Yeah, Captain had the high ground with the accords
>My team of heavily-armed, unappointed vigilantes (including a former terrorist) should be allowed to ignore any laws we want and conduct military strikes without consequence
>>84436002
Yeah it had flaws but the comic had worse ones
>>84436132
Its ok if you didnt like it, but no the comics are not better in any aspect.
>civil war
>nobody dies
>>84435511
Funny as the MCU adaption is superior to the source material in nearly every way
>>84436132
There were no good parts in the comic
>>84436169
We haven't really broached the subject yet in the movies, but can people come back from the dead in the MCU? Is it like the comics where nobody "stays dead?"
Because that would be maddening. Though, considering Disney's earnings from these films, not entirely unexpected.
>>84436141
The funny thing is that the government couldn't even stop them even if they wanted.
>"Civil War"
>muh Bucky
>muh mommy
>>84436169
>Deaths make a movie good because there is literally no other way to up the stakes in my little brain
>>84436167
>but no the comics are not better in any aspect.
Are you high? There was more of an impact, more engaging, made more sense, and left you questioning who was in the right at the end. Again, I hated it, but at least it got those things down a hell of a lot better than the MCU did. But what else should I expect the MCU is the MU lite for non comic fans.
>>84436231
Soul Gem has to show up eventually
>>84436231
They already explained it in Agents of SHIELD. In case an Avenger dies they have a machine to bring them back to life.
>>84436274
>made more sense
what did the SHRA actually entail beyond "you need to write your name down on this list here"
>left you questioning who was in the right at the end
probably not the one who had THE REAL HEROES taking him down
>>84435511
Considering the original conflict was horrible, that's an improvement.
People were mad at BvS because the original conflict was a comic book classic still loved to this day.See this as a compliment for DC, I really fucking love the original scene.
>>84436274
Ok i will tell you, Tony Hitler Stark was the wrong side, want me to solve you another question? Grass is green btw
>>84436265
>Being this fucking ignorant about what happens in the comic.
I want the MCU fags to leave this planet.
>>84436325
the BvS conflict had nothing to do with TDKR, Zach just stole some panels he thought looked cool
>>84436313
>agents of shield is totally relevant guise!!!
It may be ''''canon'''' but they still didn't use it to bring back Quicksilver did they
>>84436167
The central premise worked a bit better, but it went right off the rails pretty much immediately. Overall for sure worse.
>>84435667
Civil war was bad, it was fucking stupid.
>>84436340
oh like you actually cared about Bill Foster dying
>>84436085
>Tony is an Avenger.
By that logic they should have locked everybody because of the Scarlet Witch bomb thing
>>84436365
Exactly my point. I'd prefer for him not to steal the panels because it kept reminding me of a story that was just superior to the one he was telling.
>>84436326
>A shit ton of Kindergardeners get brutally murdered as a result of heroes
>Stark wants to stop this from happening again.
>Suggests that citizens who have the powers to level fucking cities register with the government to keep a closer eye on them
>Somehow is in the wrong.
>>84436274
>left you questioning who was in the right at the end
only because Mark Millar is a hack who couldn't figure out how to
>>84436398
But was that what happened, anon?
>>84436368
Because Hawkeye was the one who killed him, it was probably part of the plan.
>>84436236
>The funny thing is that the government couldn't even stop them even if they wanted.
Terrorists Assemble!
>>84436413
*make it more clear that Tony was meant to be in the right
>>84436390
>Implying I'm talking about Goliath.
>Not the major fucking death at the end of the comic.
It's okay if you don't know how to read anon.
>>84436394
They weren't getting locked up for being Avengers. The Accords stated that they could retire if they didn't want to work under the UN.
They were locked up for violating normal laws that they were no longer exempt from.
>>84436423
the flight plan Hawkeye filed with the agency lists him, the random civilian child, but only one maximoff!
>>84436398
>Wants a pure world
>Unites his country against everybody else
>Was only following orders
Hitler man
>>84436467
Cap didn't even die in the Civil War comic, he died after in his own seriesyou casual
>>84436265
Not that anon, but I'll defend the post.
The issue with Civil War is that, like many of the post phase-one movies, it seems to spiral in circles. There is no real sense of resolution or growth because now that the MCU is locked in place the ability to fulfill basic storytelling requirements falls apart.
The most basic story template of
>character wants something
>character faces obstacles in pursuing/attaining thing
>character emerges changed
is basically rendered impossible in a cinematic universe where stagnation plus stability equals earnings.
I agree with you that death is not a guarantee of a good movie. But I think that anon is speaking to a larger point about the bland comfort food that the MCU has become (like any franchise that is expected to run forever). This has been a problem with cape comics in the past. It's frustrating to see it infect the movies as well.I enjoyed Civil War for the most part. I was just frustrated by it.
>>84436324
There both stupid conflicts but there both better then minority report with capes
And the movie one was still better then the comic one
>>84436492
I sort of agree with you, i do think the MCU needs a serious death, but after AoU which i was dissapointed by and the god awful idea of having Coulson alive, I actually quite enyojed Cripple Rhodey and not Boing! This unimportant character is dead
>>84436490
It's a tie in, those count. Especially when we're talking about a Captain America movie.
>>84436467
Oh fuck off you must have learned this in a Top 10 Comic Book facts video or something
>He did not die directly in Civil War
>His sort of realization came out of fucking nowhere and just made the final fight seem stupid
>Lets kill capn America he will surely never come back boys!
>The other death was a fucking nobody which everyone pretends to care about because
DID YOU KNOW DURING CIVIL WAR MISTER BIG GUY BILL FOSTER DIED...?
>>84436398
>conscripts all heroes into the military
>only thing keeping government in check is his own involvement not any laws he put in place
>has to make special arrangement for Jessica Jones a pregnant woman and her child not to be forced into military service
>Meaning his superhero slave conscripts don't even get mat-leave, and are clearly not even treated like military personnel
>Locks people up without trial in another dimension to bypass the constitution
>Somehow is in the wrong
>>84436610
to be fair the actual Death of Captain America story was pretty good comics
>>84436544
Also adding to this, i have to disagree Captain America's character has really changed (Mostly in TWS) and Tony Stark got the really big switch in this movie which we were supposedly getting in Iron Man 3, the movie i despise the most of the mcu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACL8nKOUoxk
This made me appreciate CW way more than I did initially.
>>84436394
I'm sure some people wanted to. That was kind of the entire point of the story.
>>84436628
>>84436398
>>84435511
I dunno about that but when the camera was moving past the columns making them look like panels, my dick got hard
>>84436002
In the comic Cap dies and comes back again, and the "consequences" got retconned to fuck.
>>84436169
>Civil War
>the War actually is pretty Civil
Marvel does it again!
>>84436474
> Wanda
> Being allowed to retire
> Kek
this might just be a blog post and not relevant
Like I seriously think people are blind sometimes. Or don't know how to watch movies.
Iron Man's whole position in Civil War is because he's seen what superheroes can do, Chitauri-> Mandarin->Ultron.
Cap is the same way, he becomes disillusioned over the movies (Testing him at the end of First Avenger->Hydra tech in Avengers->We were HYDRA the whole damn time) and ending Civil War an outlaw
>>84436141
>witnessed the government create murder carriers
>government infiltrated by nazi offshoot
>fought in battle where the government launched a nuke at NYC
>trust the government
>>84436324
Sokovia Accords: Disclose your identity and work for the government doing whatever the fuck we tell you, whenever the fuck we tell you, no questions asked, or be forced into retirement / enemy of the state status.
Sanity: Vigilanteism is already illegal, continues to be illegal. Good fucking luck enforcing it on supers though (and be grateful that there are GOOD supers and that the same will act to protect normies from BAD supers).
>>84436398
>US government creates Genocide carriers to purge the infidels... I mean liberate the world
>almost suffers a coup by Nazi cell that tries to use said Genocide carriers to take over the world
>is apparently completely un-fucking-accountable for any of this, nor the very public self-destruction of said carriers over the fucking capital, or the nuke they tried to kill ALL of NYC with barely a token conventional forces containment attempt, many other fuckups
>same US government wants to draft all supers into compulsory service to do whatever is asked, whenever it's asked, no questions asked and continuing lack of accountability but now control over all these supers for ultra black-ops on a whim
>also lol fuck civil rights, due process of law, etc; Uncle Sam has to DEFINITELY imprison and/or kill you before an aloha snackbar MIGHT yes? You know, for your own protection
Nuh uh, fuck Stark, fuck the police, and fuck you. People fucked things up on both sides but holy fucking shit Stark+government fall squarely in the "you have to be fucking kidding me you daft nigger" category.
>>84436805
Based Russo's
Technically, Doctor Strange is a terrorist as he works for Elder Gods and other-dimensional aliens.
>>84436121
I love the idea that he wants to send the two strongest DBZ characters, but he explicitly locks out the strongest of Marvel characters cause "it wouldn't be fair"
Reddit I guess.
>>84436773
Cap never actually died in Civil War.
The "event" ended with him surrendering.
His death occurred in his own comic, billed as "the aftermath" of Civil War.
The shooting didn't even have anything to do with Civil War, in the end it was just another convoluted Red Skull plot.
>>84436085
>So is Wanda, and she's responsible for Ultron, too.
No she's not. Tony had prototype Ultrons before they even met. Stop blaming everyone else for Tony's fuck ups you fucking cuck.
>>84436805
>>84437015
There are no easy manichean answers to the issues in Civil War.
That's very unusual for a superhero movie, where it's usually retard-simple who is right.
>>84435511
>took the base idea of the conflict
>got rid of everything that made comic Civil War a living joke
>the guy in the right isn't a mustache twisting villain by the end of the movie
>>84437200
Really it was Ross who fucked everything up on the pro-reg side. Tony's ideology is completely understandable on its own. Even more so when you consider his own experiences and guilt and stuff.
>>84437030
he doesn't work for them, he slaps their shit if they start encroaching on Earth
>>84437200
Except it really is retard-simple here.
US government is stupid-evil aligned with no cure in sight.
UN is completely ineffectual as usual, with no cure in sight.
Accords are at best ineffectual (illegal vigilanteism remains illegal, such wow) and at worst works exactly as intended (giving said stupid-evil and ineffectual governments control over the world's supers with continued ZERO accountability or checks against their own fuckups and corruptions so shit inevitably gets even worse, fast).
Stark does have a point in some version of this world, it's just fucking retarded in the one presented to us.
>>84435511
>the only difference is the bodies and Tony is wearing a helmet
Yup. Lets ignore the tension that was built up around this scene by the scenes that led up to it and simply show one blurry image during the fight scene and pretend it's supposed to be the exact same thing
Films != Comic
Both convey emotions and story in different ways. If you can't see this or you can't cope with this then you are either physically or mentally a child.
>>84436027
But the fight between Bruce and Clark was ALL personal.
Bruce convinced that it was his duty and that not doing it would make everything else he did pointless
Clark being put in an impossible situation, while not fully approving of Batman's methods anywayOkay even I am not convinced with Clark's motivation. He and Lois were the weakest part of BvS by far
>>84437543
it wasn't personal at all, they barely knew each other
it wasn't two personalities clashing over differing ideologies, it was just two action figures bashing together
>>84437594
The fight was personal in that they both had a personal reason to be there. Personal doesn't necessarily mean "related". Like, a soldier that enlisted because his parents were killed by terrorists? The terrorists don't need to know that, but it's personal for him.
Thing is, *was* also weak and convoluted because those reasons didn't really intersect at all. and the ideological conflict got swept under the rug almost immediately.
>>84437543
>clark put in impossible situation
Appealing to Batman's sense of justice and begging for help saving his mother instead of falling at Mach 99999 straight into Luthor's retarded "trap" and having the BvS fight isn't an impossible situation, it's Superman again being shaped by the only plot device that ever matters in stories involving Superman: his own stupidity.
Bruce even wanting to fight/kill him was also sparked by the phenomenal misplacement of blame onto Superman for the crimes/damage committed by Zod and co. All of BvS only happens because every character in any position to sculpt a better story is offensively stupid at all critical junctures.
Now that the dust has settled, can we all just agree that BvS was infinitely better than Civil War?
>>84437746
>>84436664
Still no counter to it
>>84437413
Look up the Vishanti you idiot
>>84436027
>the fight between cap and tony felt fucking personal
Except Cap never gave a fuck about Tony and Tony sure as hell didn't like Steve that much, they had their own people they go along with and tolerated each other at best.
Too bad Whedon never gave a fuck about Tonys and Caps friendship.
>>84437827
Sure there is.
Ignoring it completely and resorting to memes is a proven counter.
>>84436368
Because
1) A major element in the resurrection process was destroyed and
2) Those that were resurrected began to deteriorate mentally, experiencing, and I quote, "hypergraphia, aphasia, catatonia, or just complete psychosis."
>>84437543
ALL personal?
Are you kidding?
I could possibly believe that. but they gave all that bad blood to luthor. seriously. take all the reasoning from luthor and you give it to batman and you have a much better movie. fuck. luthor was just there to be the obvious villain to band the two together.
it should have fundamentally been batman representing man and realizing the error of his ways. we didnt have a personal fight when they did clash. it was superman holding back the entire time, letting batman go to town, and saying martha. there should have been like a moment in which bruce realizes the true side superman was and pullback.
or a moment in which superman completely owns batman with the movie equivalent of "those races were for charity" or something.
Gah. Civil War brought that fight to such an emotional level. there is no other MCU movie that brings it to a head like that. that presented a balance in which both sides really truly have valid points and the split was an inevitability.
all you fuckers that say the comic was better. fuck off. get your head out your asses. that comic was never fucking good. the setup and the premise was fucking amazing. the execution and ending was fucking dick.
>>84437964
well granted, its one sided. but still it brought the inherent dislike for each other to a head. Cap being the boy scout, clashes personality wise with the playboy. Tony's dislike is completely personal. i mean, he had to hear about this dude from his father, implied that the father talked so highly of cap without necessarily feeling the love from his dad, there's a natural sense of resentment.
and the one guy that his father thought so highly of is protecting the other guy that ended up killing tony's parents? c'mon. are you serious? sure they don't know each other all that well, but fuck, that shit is personal.
being the boy scout that cap is, you understand tony's betrayal from cap. even though cap tries to hold the moral high ground, he is protecting his friend without so much as having a conversation at the depths of war crimes bucky committed?
granted he was under some sort of mind control but who is to say that bucky can't be controlled again? these are legitimate concerns here from tony's view point. and the only reasoning that cap can provide that they just don't take in the winter soldier is "nah that's my boy?"
look at it from cap's side for a bit. nigga is right to be paranoid about everyone and everything. he literally just got out of fighting an entire department that was infiltrated by a nazi cell. his own government launched a nuke at his home town. the government created murder machines capable of mass genocide on an unprecedented level after fighting in a war that was against that very idea. Bucky is literally the only link to his past that is still around, there is no way that Cap doesn't try to defend that and is distrustful of the government.
He is not going to trust the dude that created Ultron with his buddy. there. its that personal.
>>84435511
Civil war was so shallow
>>84438265
>there should have been like a moment in which bruce realizes the true side superman was and pullback.
But that's exactly what the Martha part was about. You might not like how they did it, hell, I didn't, but you're literally asking for the thing you're complaining about the sentence right before.
>>84436121
>people care this much about fictional characters
why
>>84438561
There's no such thing as deep superhero movies.
>>84438646
DBZ fans have the biggest inferiority complexes on the face of the planet.
>>84438791
this tbqh
>>84436664
Great vid.
Have we truly gotten to the contrarian point where people start thinking Civil War comic was good any sort of level as if we didn't spend the last like 5 years before the movie came out bashing it because it was so horrible?
