Why is the new writing so bland and... stupid? All of a sudden Batman can make insane mathematical estimations in his head. In the first issue he's doing complex geometry to get to the falling airplane. Second issue he tells Not Superman "Oh Grundy would've trampled that dude in .7 seconds and you would've got him in 1.3 seconds you're sloppy". The fuck? I thought Batman was human? And a super hero centric plot, really?
math isn't hard
>>84433866
Maybe I'm retarded then. Normal people just think like he does?
>>84433850
What's exactly is the problem of a super hero centric plot around Batman?
>>84433891
Well, I mean we've already seen this with Batman/Superman teamups. I guess it's kind of interesting because Batman isn't sure how to handle threats that need a super human but he's always either A) did detective work and stopped crooks from getting that far or B) had some crazy gadget or mech or whatever to stop huge disasters. Just seems totally unlike Batman to actually not get all the missiles back in the first issue.
Also, thinking about it, I get math isn't hard but he's doing all that shit in his head while driving/fighting/whatever? How did he know the speed Gotham and Grundy were going? It just sounds unrealistic, he could've just said something like "you were going too slow to save that man from Grundy so I had to intervene" instead he literally brings in how many seconds it'd take for Grundy to get to the man vs Gotham getting to Grundy.
>>84433850
Because King in all probability doesn't really like Batman and only took the gig for recognition and a nice payday. At least, that's the impression I got from reading his interviews about the character, and so far his work on the character just seems to be a half-assed attempt to give fans what he thinks we want.
>>84433886
Batman isn't normal.
>>84433850
>Complex geometry
He told Alfred to boost the jets on one side more than another to get the plane to tilt enough. The other bits were simple math - building is X tall so we're not going to make it, the space between buildings is less than the wingspan so we're not going to make it level.
As for the distance thing, I'm not a master martial artist or anything but I can eyeball the speed something is going and can pretty accurately estimate the time it would take them to reach like that.
>>84434005
>Well, I mean we've already seen this with Batman/Superman teamups. I guess it's kind of interesting because Batman isn't sure how to handle threats that need a super human but he's always either A) did detective work and stopped crooks from getting that far or B) had some crazy gadget or mech or whatever to stop huge disasters. Just seems totally unlike Batman to actually not get all the missiles back in the first issue.
You know that batman was fighting vampires and monsters in 1940? right?
fucking casuals
>>84433886
He isnt normal.
>>84434063
I disagree, but still, I can't really blame King for jumping on the biggest selling book at DC after writing some of the worst selling books at both Marvel and DC. If he hooks casuals than most of his future projects should sell at least decently well, which would be excellent, since he deserves it.
>>84434063
You know King, being Ex-CIA, could've written a more detective-heavy story with his knowledge. You know, with Batman actually investigating since he's the word's greatest detective.
>>84434140
Okay maybe not complex geometry but he just sounds very odd. He sounded SURE of those seconds too. I get you can eyeball but still.
>>84434208
I get he's fought crazy supernatural shit in the past but Batman seems to do best when he's more grounded and fighting more realistic villains. Ok ok, yes there's some good supernatural stories, especially with elseworld stuff and it's cool to add in that element but we basically just got Superman and Supergirl with some stupid done before government conspiracy plot.
>>84433850
>he's doing complex geometry to get to the falling airplane
>complex geometry
You only need to know basic physics and trigonometry.
>>84434337
Right right not complex geometry but still he just comes off as sounding and thinking like a machine not a person. He's doing this very fast and multi-tasking as well, under heavy stress.
>>84434278
>He sounded SURE of those seconds too. I get you can eyeball but still.
You know you can estimate a second with reasonable accuracy by simply saying "one Mississippi" and drawing a circle in the air, right? It's not that hard to estimate this sort of thing, especially when you're some kind of master martial artist and can see and mentally/physically react to things really quickly.
>>84434431
Even if it's feasible he just sounds stupid. The writing is really lame. I miss Snyder.
>>84433850
>>84434372
Have you never read a Batman thing before
>>84434372
What amazes me is that some people on /co/ want complete Batgod, but some people seem to get mad at Batman showing any level of exceptional competency. It's like you want him to just be some average guy trying his darndestJohns is that you?
>>84434278
You are just a faggot crying like a little patethic bitch over
>not muh
Can't you even stand a single arc centred entirely along Batman fighting meta human/ monster level threats? EVERY arc and story has to follow your faggot ass opinion and the same kind of plot/story from when you was a little child?
Seriously, are you a manchild? At least Hellboy fans can accept their character in MULTIPLE settings and adventures, but you are here being like a fag and crying over meanless shit?
You are patethic and half of what is wrong with comic book fans.
>>84434458
>I miss Snyder.
We get to the crux of your issue, I see.
>>84434461
Read stuff written by Snyder, Morrison, Miller, Moore, some elseworlds stuff, Batman Year 100.
>>84434499
>Aggressively getting up in my shit for speaking my opinion on a board about discussing opinions on comics and cartoons
>Generic anime picture
>Ad hom everywhere
>False equivolency with Hellboy
How about you calm down m8? If somebody likes the new Batman that's fine. People have been defending it and that's fine. It's all FINE.
>>84434507
I don't necesarily want Snyder back but he definitely hooked me more than Kingh has.
>>84433886
On a less grand scale. As someone who's worked at a coffee place when the Starbucks people take like 7 minutes to make my drink and I know I could have done it in a fraction of that time, it can be obnoxious. It's not a leap to think Batman sees someone else doing superheroics and gets frustrated knowing they're taking too long.
>>84434278
> Batman seems to do best when he's more grounded and fighting more realistic villains.
>we basically just got Superman and Supergirl with some stupid done before government conspiracy plot.
So you don't want plots that were 'done before' but you want batman to stick to what he seems to do best at? Yeah sure.
>>84434608
And I get that and that's fine to convey it's just how he says it. Maybe he's been written like that before, it was mainly a small thing. The grander story King has isn't much to talk about honestly. First issue was okay, second issue much didn't happen, all we learned is that the new super heroes have a dark secret.
>>84434653
Ok you can have plots 'done before' but just make them interesting. I get the feeling my opinion on the new comics is in the minority.
>ITT faggot crying because the greatest writer of the decade is doing a different take on batman
Really?
Other writers had Batman as a fucking god, but you think that using simple trigonometry is superhuman?
What's this bullshit about Monster Men? that's fucking anti-batman bullshit
>>84434608
>Batman sees someone else doing superheroics and gets frustrated knowing they're taking too long.
That sounds totally Batman. 100%
>>84434693
He doesn't sound normal, I've never seen a character say the shit Bats did unless they were some sort of machine. Maybe its not superhuman but it sounds un-human.
>>84434608
Also on a less grand scale, experienced twitch gamers can time their actions to fractions of a second. It's pretty reasonable Batman's basically taking out his frustrations on newbs.
>>84434575
>Morrison
And you're complaining about Batman being super competent now?
>>84434687
The writing's fine, it doesn't take a genius to parse it. Sorry he didn't expound a full paragraph on it like Snyder does? I much prefer this to windbag Batman.
>>84434746
>He doesn't sound normal
If you've ever played WoW or any sort of co-op team gaming, it's a conversation that can happen at higher levels.
>>84434746
You are a whiny faggot.
>>84434746
Have you met an engineer?
Go to /sci/, for fuck sake. Literally anyone can do some math.
>>84433850
>I'm complaining because Batman is shown as a super genius
Drink bleach, faggot
Ok OP is just baiting at this point, right? Everyone is responding to the same guy who keeps making these vague complaints that make no sense.
>>84434746
don't be retarded. batmans supposed to be the peak human being mentally and physically in this fictional comic book realm which means he's easily smarter than just about anyone in reality. him being able to comprehend fractions of a second isn't far fetch or abnormal at all and not something to get this upset about.
/thread
>>84434746
>He doesn't sound normal
He isnt normal
>>84434575
Goddamn you listed some of the most entry-level stuff ever... and then Morrison.
>Morrison
Are you kidding me? Morrison's Batgod was way more hyper-competent than King's.
>Miller
Didn't Miller's Batman also do a bunch of exact calculations?
>Moore
You mean the two stories he wrote?
Come on dude.
>Snyder
Well, yeah, that makes sense that you'd suggest it as different from this. Snyder's run was cool, but his Batman was kind of a dumb angry manchild.
>>84434856
I haven't met an engineer lol.
>>84434893
Batman's supposed to be a normal dude, maybe with above average intelligence, with a shitload of skillsets.
>>84434930
I guess that's fair. Story hasn't really hooked me still but whatever.
Fine, he can sound like a robot because 'he isn't normal' and he's at the tip top of human condition. King is only trying to show how vulnerable of a human he is, so let's make him sound like a super genius pro (who almost died at the end of the first comic) and make him easily take down a superhuman in a single flip (normally he'd have to rely on gadgets and more physical attacks to take grundy down, even in the TAS universe). Let's ensure he's as superhuman as possible so we can really relate to how vulnerable of a human he is.
What are the differences between each Batman run?
>>84435073
>Batman's supposed to be a normal dude, maybe with above average intelligence, with a shitload of skillsets.
KEK!
>>84435073
>maybe with above average intelligence
>normal human
This fucking retard. In what fucking world a normalhuman can split a meter wide tree with one kick or survive the emptyness of space, or block bullets??
>>84435073
>relate to how vulnerable of a human he is
>Batman
>>84434746
I just read a comic where batman during a fight with Mr freeze spoke only in fucking chess analogies. Dude batman doesn't just chat like one if the guys.
>>84435073
>Batman's supposed to be a normal dude
>>84435073
>Batman's supposed to be a normal dude
That hasn't been true for decades. I remember Morrison laughing his arse off when somebody said to him that why people like Batman is because anybody can be him. Nobody can be Batman. You can master every Martial art but if you went out every night and did what Batman does you would be dead in a week
>>84433850
>Why is the new writing so bland and... stupid?
It's Batman.
It sells just by that fact, DC doesn't even have to try to make it good, they put fucking Finch in charge of the art.
Okay boys, let's play it this way then-
>Is highly intelligent and can easily calculate speeds and trajectories within a second to seconds, etc. Was able to find out information only Gordon and one other person knew about.
>Wasn't intelligent enough to deduce where to find the last missile or intelligent enough to catch the guy who had it when he was running
>Wasn't intelligent enough to come up with a contigency plan either now or in the past to prevent a natural disaster or plane crash
Okay, so, he is supposed to be seen as the pro but at the same time vulnerable and incompetent? Guy had booster rocket shit on him but he couldn't have just had the batplane fly in and he move the plane safely out that way? Why wouldn't he have the batmobile be able to calculate where he nees to be shot off to get onto the plane or any object? So sometimes he's an incompetent dipshit, other times he calculates things in an insanely short period of time and takes out super villains that can withstand super-human punches with a judo flip.
Could have something to do with the fact that he just got supercharged after owning back from the dead that they did imply that dionesium shit can give suorrcharge you past your peak
>>84435333
>Not muh Batman: the thread
It really didn't take long for people really to start grasping at straws to bitch about.
>>84435333
Stop being so obtuse.
>King makes it big with B/C/D-list characters, by not insulting his audience with narration boxes, and by changing these characters for the better
>takes over for the most popular superhero
>bunch of casuals read King for the first time
"Waaah I dun get it where are the narration boxes"
>>84435333
>If Batman is so smart, why can't he prevent planes from ever crashing?
You realize there's a different between Batman competency and omniscience, right?
>Guy had booster rocket shit on him
That was in the Batmobile
>he couldn't have just had the batplane fly in and he move the plane safely out that way?
Was all the way back at the Bat Cave
>Why wouldn't he have the batmobile be able to calculate where he nees to be shot off to get onto the plane or any object?
You'd have to enter those parameters, which is exactly what he didn't have time to do and was having Duke do for him
>So sometimes he's an incompetent dipshit
He's not the one acting like a dipshit, friendo
>>84435426
>It really didn't take long for people really to start grasping at straws to bitch about.
It's literally just one guy in the thread (and also Damifag when he inevitably will show up)
Sorry anon, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about the character.
Bruce is in now way relatable. The man is pure exceptionalism - someone with near unlimited resources who has trained his body to the limit of human ability and has honed his mind from singular determination.
Bruce is about as relatable to common people as Lex, which is to say he isn't. Both are windows into what we all could be if we had the drive and the resources. Both also have flaws that cripple them just like any of us despite their otherwise amazing superiority.
Bruce and Lex aren't relatable and vulnerable. But you don't have to be in order to be a very, very fascinating character.
OP here, stop pocking fun at me! Its obvious that none of you have read a real Batman comic. Have you seem what King did to Calendar Man too?
>>84435385
>>84435426
Just seems to me like Batman is super smart or super strong when it's convenient to the plot. King was intending Bruce to be more vulnerable, you can tell, he's worried about dying on the job, about Dick dying on the job after him. Bruce almost dies in the first issue and has to get help from super humans. In other words, Bruce makes mistakes because he's HUMAN. But then, he's written in a way where he's OP only sometimes.
>>84435472
The big thing about Batman is prep time, Batman always preps. Batman KNEW someone had a missile, a big one, normally he'd deduce what targets that could be shot at. He would have investigated the man who took the missile or hell, he would've been there the night the missiles got retrieved and stopped him from running away. He is called the world's greatest detective but yet, barely any detective work if any at all. If this were any other writer, the airplane would've never been shot down, Bats would've stopped it. Oh, and yeah that's just convenient still, has these rocket boosters in the batmobile that can help with the situation.
>>84435599
>being this mad about a thread on 4chan just because you disagree with someone
Come now, anon.
>>84433850
Friendly reminder that he just got done being a god of knowledge. Being good at math is not a big deal.
>>84435609
Batman fails to stop criminal plots he's investigating all the time. Fuck Tim sales batman stories are al predicated on this very idea.
Andr he wasn't op he just belted out a few mathematic calculations in one instance and used the rocket boosters in his ejector seat in another. That doesn't mean he should know all things.
>>84435599
Did something new with a character nobody gives a fuck about?
>>84435609
>Just seems to me like Batman is super smart or super strong when it's convenient to the plot
You don't say! Almost as if it's a capeshit book where competence and power levels are always in a flux.
>>84435702
Wasn't that in New 52 which was a different universe?
>>84435716
He still should've been prepared for that missile to be fired off. Guy's the richest mofo in the world, probably has access to crazy alien technology but couldn't teleport his batplane to him or have some contigency plan in case the missile gets fired off. And you're right, he isn't technically OP, oh wait, he disappeared and King made a point of saying Batman can do the impossible (Gotham couldn't see him with his vision).
>>84435716
*Jeff Loeb/Tim sale
>>84435702
This is a good point.
>>84435753
>comparing teleporting his entire jet to his location to the "batman disappears while talking to him" meme that has been going on for decades
>>84435523
There's been more than a few people bitching about King's run since it started. And it's always stupid shit like
>waaah how dare they revamp Calendar Man, King is a haaaaaack!
>Batman would not talk about his feelings when he thinks he's about to die!
>several autistic spazzes completely failing to understand the banter between Alfred and Bruce in #2 when Bruce jokingly says he trust no one and Alfred makes a quip about a wakisashi
>>84435808
We know Batman is with the justice league. We know that they have OP technology. Why not? Hell, why not have the batmobile turn into a jet? Or a mech? In a world where Batman is supposed to be ridiculously OP, he's conveniently subpar when the plot needs him to be.
>>84435702
Friendly reminder that over half of DC's current readership stayed away from New52 like unwahsed AIDS dick until Rebirth and now we have to catch up on the couple things we give a shit about.
>>84435867
>faggot start thread saying that Batman shouldn't have or fight meta humans villains and big disasters, he should only fight street level and monsters.
>now the faggot is whining saying that Batman should use power armors and be able to teleport.
This is how we know that you don't fucking care and is just trolling.
>>84435900
Friendly reminder that DC is under no obligation to keep retards and casuals who clearly have no interest in staying up to date informed.
>>84435992
Maybe he wants Batman to use a giant mech suit to fight street level crime. Did you ever think of that?
Think about how terrified a purse snatcher would be if Bat Gundam came running down the street after him.
>>84435992
All you idiots just told me how Batman is OP and it's not a big deal he acts like an unhuman robot. So, by your logic, why the fuck can't we have more ridiculous tech and prep time for Batman? Since he's not a normal dude with a good skillset but some OP mofo? King is contradicting Batman in this run by trying to make him seem vulnerable but an experienced vet with insane intellect at the same time. Batman is only 100% Batman when needed, other times he's 40% Batman ,etc. I don't care how King writes Batman, as long as the logic follows and it doesn't.
>>84436046
I wanna waych Big O now.
>>84436046
Now i've realized how much i want a Big O comic.
>>84436098
Look at this guy, look at him and laugh. This deluded, self-entitled nerdrage is hilarious.
>>84436130
I'm not mad, I'm just discussing shit late at night on 4chan with random anons lol.
>>84436046
I like how you tried to think of something ridiculous and stupid, but you just described Snyder's last arc.
>>84436130
Nigga is too stupid to notice that the entire arc is to make Batman go to his limit to be able to catch up with metas. Which makes everything from vulnarable human to genius veteran make sense.
>>84435900
You say this but Rebirths sales aren't as strong as New 52 and New 52's sales were better than what DC was pulling in before. Don't believe me? let's have a look at Batman's New 52 launch, a year before and a year after
New 52 1 188,420
Batman 703 77,033
Batman 13 148,305
>>84436210
He would've already caught up with metas being in the justice league. Your logic is flawed. You're defending bad writing.
>>84436098
>All you idiots just told me how Batman is OP and it's not a big deal he acts like an unhuman robot
You're really showing that you lack any reading comprehension. people are trying to tell you that Batman is more competent than any human could realistically be, but that doesn't mean he should be a no holds barred meta-sci-fi character. You sound exactly like the idiots in the 90s that O'Neil made fun of in Knightfall who kept asking for a Batman with guns and armor.
>>84433850
>/co/ has finally turned on King
I knew it would happen. It was inevitable.
>>84434278
>You know King, being Ex-CIA, could've written a more detective-heavy story with his knowledge. You know, with Batman actually investigating since he's the word's greatest detective.
He used his CIA background to write about political justice and conflicts in the Omega Men and it sold like complete ass. It's not suprising that he's going for more of a dumber blockbuster movie approach here.
>>84436275
>/co/
It's one guy everybody else is calling a faggot
>>84436246
>He would've already caught up with metas being in the justice league
Not really.
And "catching up" is more of a constant battle that is way harder for a powerless human. This is the point.
>>84436234
>You say this but Rebirths sales aren't as strong as New 52
Wrong.
Batman #1 (2011) 188,420
Batman #1 (2016) 280,360
>>84436275
It's not /co/, it's one guy who doesn't understand Batman as a character at all.
>>84436275
It's one guy that admittedly perferred Snyderwhich is fine, to each their own. Stop being over dramatic.
>>84436297
Because they were literally who's. Writing Batman gives you license to do whatever you like
>>84436297
What the hell you wanted on Batman?
>>84436329
Batman is the only exception though.
>>84436263
>Batman having prep time, doing actual detective work and having ridiculous technology in a world where Martian Manhunter and Darkseid are a thing and Bruce is rich as hell makes him a no holds bar meta-scifi character
Yeah, okay.
>>84436299
Others have hated on King, seems to be the minority though (according to this one thread).
>>84436323
Powerless human that can take down Grundy in a single judo move. Powerless human who has access to information only 1% of the world has access to. Powerless human whose called "The World's Greatest Detective" (but can't prep for/stop a guy with a missile). Powerless human whose obviously been helpful with the JL and is in his prime. Powerless human who has access to a shitload of money and the best technology on and off world. Powerless human that can disappear from a super-human's eyesight in a few seconds.
>>84436417
Not to mention nothing has indicated Batman needing to "catch up". The metahumans are asking him for help and Batman is dissing them on how slow they are.
>>84436297
He's writing slow burner mystery centered around Bruce's limitations and legacy of heroes theme, that's going to lead to a Hugo Strange and the Monster Men revival event in the fall. Perfect for Batman.
People need to stop take their ADD meds and learn that not everything has to be introduced and resolved within six issues. King is really good at long game storytelling.
>>84436379
Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Green Arrow also sold better and Superman is pretty much the same. I don't think comparing Green Lantern is really fair considering Johns' run was still going on in 2011. Overall Rebirth is doing better.
>>84436523
Well, maybe the arc s a whole will be decent but these individual issues have sucked. A lot of things are contradicting eachother. He just changes how competent Batman is depending on how he needs him to be for the plot and that's just bad writing.
>>84436417
>and having ridiculous technology
You realize giving Batman shit like teleporters would completely destroy the tone of Batman stories, right? Like that's ultimately what's most important- making Batman feel like Batman. In order for that to work Batman needs to be kept in a pseudo-narrative bubble away from a lot of other DC stuff that goes on. That's been the case for literally 50 years.
>>84436548
Alright I admit I fucked up. Action Comics didn't seem to do as well though. Fucking 1's man
>>84436523
Most Big 2 readers are stupid manchildren mate. This is the problem.
>>84436627
>Gotta keep in him in a bubble
>Let's mention the JL and introduce metahumans in the first issue!
>>84436584
>He just changes how competent Batman is depending on how he needs him to be
Except he's not. You're the only one who is having a hard time grasping how you can be prepared for some things but not literally everything.
>>84436654
That's why I said pseudo-narrative bubble and not literally pretending the rest of the DC universe doesn't exist.
>>84436679
Its autism anon. He thinks that Batman level up like a Pokemon, instead of having a variable competence according to speciphic situations and other variable factor - like what actually happens on any narrative that isn't a videogame.
>>84436679
Batman KNEW the guy had a missile, Batman KNEW for awhile. You're telling me he wouldn't prep for that? Or simply go with Gordon to take down people who have missiles that can blow up planes? The dude ran off, remember? Like I've said, any other writer would've simply had Batman solving where these missiles were and then stopped them from using them or had a contigency plan.
I'm having a hard time grasping eh? Well help me out then, explain all of this- >>84436417
King is giving mixed signals on Batman. He talks like he knows his shit but then does things that, you know, he has more time to think and prepare for but does nothing about. Oh, a guy has a giant missile in my town? Better not prep for it. Oh, lemme calculate how long it'll take Grundy to get to that homeless guy versus superman getting to him and then judo throw a guy whose probably 600-700 pounds and somehow take him out despite the fact he has superhuman strength.
>>84436753
How you prepare to "a guy with a missile" if he can just use it at any given time on any part of the city?
>>84436753
>any other writer would've simply had Batman solving where these missiles were and then stopped them from using them or had a contigency plan.
You keep saying this as if you have any idea what you're talking about. Have you considered that would make a really shitty story? Having the introduction of Batman facing a limit he can't beat because of his mortality sets up a strong theme for the rest of the arc about balancing the issues of responsibility and ability. You would seem to think that "literally any other writer" would prefer a by the books "where are they?" detective story that's been done hundreds of times.
>>84436742
The whole thread keeps telling me Batman isn't a normal human. Apparently, he has a genius level IQ and almost superhuman strength. But YET, he couldn't prep for a guy who had a missile in his town or stop him beforehand despite Bats having the information.
>>84436791
Ensure on patrol you have access to your fastest machine, aka the batjet. Maybe do some detective work, see what kind of guy the guy who has the missile is. Deduce possible targets, like a plane, buildings, and what would need to be done. Ask for assistance prior to him shooting the missile from the batfamily.
>>84436820
That's my point, the setup was stupid and it would normally be expected of Batman to prevent missiles from being shot off or even stolen, or at the very least, prevent a runner. Even the plane simply having a malfunction and having something explode would've been fine, then we wouldn't even be arguing all this (but then again, you'd think he'd prep for it, this is obviously Batman in his prime not newbie Batman).
>>84435449
>"Waaah I dun get it where are the narration boxes"
That is sadly the biggest complaint when casuals read King's other work. They don't grasp what's going on because they have to pay attention to the art.
>>84435599
Calander Man was Snyder's idea. King just ran with it.
>>84436872
Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
>>84436829
>>84436872
Just because a guy firing a missile is simple doesn't mean that Batman should be able to instantly figure out where they are and what they're going to be used for. Shit like that can be impossible to track, especially on a strict time constraint like they had, and it's not at all a stretch to think that something might have happened that he couldn't prep for. What do you suggest he do, stop all flights going in and out of Gotham? Again, he's extremely competent, not omnipotent. Saying that every writer agrees with you doesn't make it true.
>>84436905
Can't think of anything to disprove my points? I've noticed all the anons have been evading my points furhter into the argument we get. Just more ad hom and less actual substance.
>>84436947
Also most of is rogues do acts of terrorism as bad as this at the beggining of their stories, but you don't see that faggot complaining about it.
Who could have guessed: in Gothan villains often attack before Batman can do anything...almost all the time!
>>84436953
No you just keep ignoring the multiple points that address your specific complaints and explain why your ideas would be much worse. Just because they also call you an idiot doesn't invalidate everything else they say.
>>84436947
Honestly, if Batman was truly Batman, the guy would have never ran away with the missile. Or you could throw in a plot device about how they could be tracked. Or he would have prepped for natural disasters in the past, like a plane crash and knew what to do. instead we get "oh, I'm gonna die unless baby superman and baby supergirl save me".
>>84437002
They already attacked days ago, I don't get why Batman wou;dn't just simply go with Gordon to ensure they pick up the missiles. Or why he wouldn't be able to find the culprits himself.
>>84437002
The issue even starts with Batman finding out about the theft too late to stop it.
Hell this isn't even the first time that's happened. People only complain because /co/ hypes King up.
>>84437042
>Or you could throw in a plot device about how they could be tracked.
Oh, nigga want asspuls.
Also, no Batman story work like what you want. None.
Try to give speciphic situations, I'm waiting.
Well folks I've gotta go. I enjoyed the discussion; I know we didn't agree on everything but I've changed my mind on some stuff. I'll keep trying, hopefully King is just a slow kinda guy and it builds and builds and gets really good. Hope everybody has a good day/night, thank you for your time and opinions. :)
>>84433850
>I thought Batman was human?
My guess is that King just got around to watching either the BBC Sherlock or the RDJ Sherlock (which was clearly based on the former and then dialed up to 11).
Hence the: not-Superman can't take down Grundy even with the help of not-Supergirl ... but Bruce can literally do it WITH ONE HAND!
Also: Bruce, being a ninja, can not only slip away while Gordon's back is turned but can LITERALLY DISAPPEAR such that not-Superman can't even catch him with his SuperDooper-Vision!
The problem with this being, of course, that either he needs to be the all-too-human non-super (you know: the kinda guy that would get fucking killed dealing with ditching a plane in Gotham harbor?) OR he can be Batgod who's 12 steps ahead of you and can disappear from inside the evidence room because SHUT THE FUCK UP HE'S THE GODDAMNED BATGOD!
But not both.
TL;DR you are correct and kingFags are getting BTFO ITT because of that.
>>84436523
It's stil got more action movie setpieces than Omega Men.
love how dudes will complain about unrealistic thinking but turn a blind eye to zombies, vampires and psychologists who control super people. batman has no certain degree of realism now fuck off
desu I'm liking this run so far. lots of visual symbolism, great coloring, fun action moments - you know that batman showing up a couple of rookies, even if they are super-powered, with a well-timed throw is pretty fucking cool - and also a great emotional core to the first issue.
also I like that King's running theme seems to be time here. not something too heavily explored in his territory
>>84433850
I wonder if it's somebody's job at the CIA to read his comics to make sure he isn't letting secrets out or something silly like that
>>84437632
This isn't the first time Batman's beaten Grundy, Grundy's power levels fluctuate all the time canonically (in particular his durability is usually nerfed when he goes against Batman), and it's just angular momentum to throw someone - a common martial arts move.
TIL people judge comics based on consistency of power levels - not any of the stuff that matters though like writing, pencils, coloring, etc.
>>84437632
(You).
You people are the fucking worst, holy shit this isnt nerd sports, read the fucking book or dont.
>>84433866
In America it is.
>>84437330
>>84437632
Unashamed samefag.
Ive read Vision. The stuff was decent nothing more. The standards are low regarding capeshit for King to be considered a good writer.
>>84435753
>Wasn't that in New 52 which was a different universe?
Anon, you realize that Rebirth isn't a reboot, right? It continues on from where the publishing run "New 52" ended, with the same continuity.
>>84435073
Like others said, Batman is pure escapism and is not supposed to represent an "average" man in any way. This post puts it right: >>84435596
That said, I kind of agree with you in that the most interesting Batman comics are those where he is shown to be struggling with problems instead of being OP as fuck.
Year One, Knightfall, Court of Owls, No Man's Land, Nolan movies, Arkham City videogame - all are my favorite precisely because Bruce is shown to regularly make mistakes, have crap beaten of him, and most importantly, show him thinking out of complex situations. It just makes them more interesting and less repetative. So while those interpretations are still in no way realistic, they at least don't break the suspension of disbelief into shreds like Morrison's run regularly does.
>>84435016
>Miller
>Didn't Miller's Batman also do a bunch of exact calculations?
yes he did, op is just a fag
>>84433850
What next? They gonna try to make him out to be some sort of genius?
>>84435073
>supposed to be a normal dude
>Snyder
Back to r/batman, casual
>>84434063
>King in all probability doesn't really like Batman and only took the gig for recognition and a nice payday. At least, that's the impression I got from reading his interviews about the character,
You literally completely made this up.
>>84441897
Morrison's run showed a completely broken and terrified Batman, who had to dig out of situations.
>>84442106
lol
>Year One
>Batman is almost killed by police and has to improvise on the spot
>He is actually shown to be terrified person who has no idea what to do
>Morrison's run
>*something extreme like Black Glove happens*
>Batman struggles a little with initial shock, but wins because he has already anticipated such an attack
First one celebrates human ingenuity and determination through the character of Batman.
Second one is one giant meta statement about the character, celebrating the most bizzare and unrealistic elements of his series
To each his own, I prefer the former.
>>84442306
>>84442306
That's not only what happened
>Batman is facing a mid life crisis with all crime bosses gone and has to learn being Bruce again.
>Batman gets his back broken by the Bane Batman. Has to get help from the prostitute. Suffers from Knightfall PTSD.
>Not a big one, but Batman is made to feel guilty by Jezebel for wasting his money on being Batman when he could've fed an entire nation.
>Then the silver age hallucinations begin ending with homeless Batman.
>Batman is killed and buried alive.
The entire first half shows step by step destruction of Batman by the black glove.
>>84433886
There are people who see the world as geometry and everything is classified in geometry to them. Me, I think in vectors whenever I'm moving around. If you've done enough math, which Batman would of had to have done a fuck load to do all that engineering, math is easy to see in the real world
>>84434762
And experienced bull riders can get accuracy within hundredths of a second when counting out seconds. It's not super human its just training.
>>84441289
Its fine if you don't like it but you should ve able to appreciate that it is well written. King is one of the few writers that is using the monthly issues to his advantage. Every issue has a different tone,theme and style. Take the P=NP one and compare it to the one where the father shoots his son. The former is a slightly complex math idea and uses that to explore how a human find solutions in daily life. It is heavy on the internal dialog and philosophy, it's taking how a robot thinks and drawing similarities to human thought. The later example takes the style of a slow horror scene. You know what is going to happen from the beginning of the issues but every page turn is like a drum beating down to that travesty. The rhythm in that issue was extremely important to the story, it wasn't in P=NP.
Not many writers experiment with comics every issue like King has been doing. You don't have to enjoy it, but you shoukd appreciate good writing when it's there
>>84441289
This, King is a Hack lmao!
OP here, am back and well rested.
>>84441970
I actually made that image for the other thread, that robin crotch man lol. I guess I should say, King gives off the vibe that Batman is supposed to be HUMAN (maybe not normal) with extraordinary abilities but is still vulnerable. But like I've said, my main complaint is that Batman is as competent as the plot wants him to be.
>>84440990
That legit wasn't me. I understand if you don't believe me though, you've no reason to trust me.
>>84446232
>But like I've said, my main complaint is that Batman is as competent as the plot wants him to be.
People aren't uniformely competent, and Batman is catch on surprise on all of his stories.
Also, all of the famous ones has the villain stealing something or killing someone before Batman being able to do anything against it. So your complain doesn't hold up.
>>84433850
>Second issue he tells Not Superman "Oh Grundy would've trampled that dude in .7 seconds and you would've got him in 1.3 seconds you're sloppy"
He was watching the entire scene so he made a prediction, it's not like he thought at the speed of light or anything. The only problem is your reading comprehension
>>84446305
Usually either Batman is a rookie in the story or some MASTER plotting villains come up with a grand scheme against him.
>>84446309
Good point.
>>84446465
>Usually either Batman is a rookie in the story or some MASTER plotting villains come up with a grand scheme against him.
You are wrong, usually Batman is on his prime ), and doesn't make a difference on who is doing it, because it is nothing more complicated than what a powerless guy with a guy can do.
>>84446232
>calling plot hole armour shit
>liking batman
pick one. Batman has always had the power level the story demands, whether that be street villains or cosmic villains.
>>84446571
I guess there was that venom story and the underground one where he's chained up.
>>84446590
Well, that's a good point. i guess I'm just not into King yet, but we'll see. I know I get flack for liking Snyder but he did a lot of really cool stuff with Bats, especially combined with Greg's art.
>>84446232
I mean, I've just always assumed Batman is really good at math and calculating real-world shit in real-time. He'd have to be, wouldn't he, to be so consistent at hitting everything he targets with his batarang or grappling hook, right? Not to mention all those times he catches people of differing weights in freefall without breaking their necks? He'd HAVE to be a polymath whiz on top of being a ninja commando.
>>84446590
That's literally true for every major Superhero tho.
>>84433886
Batman is autistic.
>>84446711
Mostly true for none powers but Batman is on an entirely other level of plot armor.
>>84446695
I think we can all agree he can do math on the fly. All he wpuld be doing in the batarangs is vectors, which is piss easy to do in RL
>>84433850
>All of a sudden Batman can make insane mathematical estimations in his head.
You're... new here... aren't you?
So much negativity, personally Im hyped for Batman fighting Waller's proxies and the psycho-pirate making a return.
