>Over the past few years, the mutants and Inhumans of the Marvel Universe have shared an interesting relationship. The X-Men were once Marvel’s flagship franchise, have recently focused on sorting out their own problems rather than taking center stage at world-changing events like Secret Wars. Meanwhile, the Inhumans, once a fascinating corner of the Marvel Universe, are now more populous and widespread than ever, thanks to Black Bolt’s Terrigen Bomb awakening latent Inhumans all over the globe. Now, the rival relationship between these two disparate, diverse Marvel groups has been literalized with the revelation that the Terrigen Mists don’t just give Inhumans powers — they’re also deadly to mutants. This October, Marvel will publish a four-issue miniseries, Death of X, that dives into this complicated relationship, and fills in some long-awaited questions about what happened in the eight months since the end of Secret Wars and Marvel’s “All-New, All-Different” reboot.
>“Right now things are not good for mutantkind,” says X-Men writer Jeff Lemire, who will co-write Death of X with Inhuman scribe Charles Soule. “On the flipside, Inhumans have been growing and becoming more prominent in the Marvel Universe. There’s a lot of tension between these characters about that, and also within the fandom.”
>Any mutant/ Inhuman conflict is, by its nature, larger in scope than a scuffle between two different groups of Avengers. Both groups are large, diverse, and encompass villains as well as heroes. And this problem, too, is nearly impossible: the Terrigen Mists are vital to one species’ survival and deadly to the other. The stakes couldn’t be higher in this apparently zero-sum game. Though leaders like Medusa will obviously have big roles in how things unfold, don’t expect a uniform reaction from either side.
>>84324545
>“For both sides of this, it doesn’t affect just a small group of them,” Soule says. “There are heroic Inhumans, but it also affects the bad guys and the psychotic ones just as much as it affects the nice love-and-happiness ones. It’s not just their livelihood and way of life but their very lives at stake, so they’re gonna react the way you think they would. Some people move to some kind of shared solution, but there’s a lot of superhero punching and blasting and stuff like that.”
>Most of Death of X takes place at the beginning of the post-Secret Wars eight-month gap, and as a result will answer some burning fan questions. Perhaps most notably: what happened to Cyclops? The controversial X-Men leader has been missing and presumed dead since the All-New All-Different launch. Death of X will finally fill in some of those blanks, in ways that will have major ramifications for the current-day storylines.
>“We’ll definitely see some characters who have been missing in action since the series launch,” Lemire says. “We’ll answer the question of where certain mutants have been, and what’s happened to them. Cyclops is the big one, he’s the one we’ve said was dead and that’s all we’ve really said. His death was very controversial, so obviously that’ll be a big part of the story we’re telling here.”
>To hear them tell it, Soule and Lemire are just as excited to reveal some of these long-burning mysteries as fans are to read them. But they’re still staying mum on important story details. For instance, what does the title Death of X mean? Does it refer to one specific death, or a more abstract “death” for the entire X-universe of mutants and X-Men? For that, you’ll just have to wait until October for the first two issues of Death of X (with the final two following in November).
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/07/marvels-death-x-mutants-inhuman
>kuder left dc to draw mediocre x-men books
>lemire left dc to write mediocre x-men books
>soule left dc to write bad inhuman books
how do they do it, it's not like their pay is any better from what I've seen
>>84324614
>Sorrentino left Green Arrow because of X-Men
Marvel is more well known, DC is where most creators lay down their best work. Marvel is where they get recognized. Moon Knight isn't even half as great as Lemire's earlier work yet this will be what people will recognize him for. I already feel sorry for Soule, his DC Stuff were all solid but what everyone will know him for is a mediocre follow up to Waid's DD run and Shithumans.
>>84324545
>Kuder being wasted here
I fucking hate Marlel and Berganza. Fuck you.
>>84324545
>Soule
>Lemire
Glad to have confirmation it's going to be shit.
>>84324545
>Next step in evolution
>Are constantly on the brink of extinction
lol
>>84324545
>the Terrigen Mists are vital to one species’ surviva
Wut?
>The inhumans still get children.
>Have alien tech.
>They need the mist to get super powers, but kill mutants in the process.
Shitty writting is still shitty writting.
>>84324545
.The X-Men were once Marvel’s flagship franchise, have recently focused on sorting out their own problems rather than taking center stage at world-changing events like Secret Wars
>the Inhumans, once a fascinating corner of the Marvel Universe, are now more populous and widespread than ever, thanks to Black Bolt’s Terrigen Bomb awakening latent Inhumans all over the globe
I like we have to pretend this was natural. Interest just spiked up! Instead of the deliberate shafting of the X characters
The inhumans are interesting but from the titles I've seen its hard to give a shit about their major players nevermind the new ones. An absolute monarchy lording over people they purposely transformed seems pretty messed up
>>84324545
>>84324549
>what happened to Cyclops?
About fucking time. Still, its hard to get excited about it when you know its going to be shit anyway. I'm not happy about Marvel throwing away 50 years of character history away to make room for a teenager with as little backstory as possible.
>>84325087
I don't blame Tyke I blame marvel, kid has big shoes to fill.
>Lemire writing more X-Men stories
Who thought this was a good idea?
well RIP Cyclops
>>84324545
Go fuck yourself Marvel.
So, we get to find out how X-23 (and Daken and Sabertooth) went from being powerless, dead and/or dying to her being the All-New Wolverine? Awesome. That's all that interests me.
Oh dear, they are going to 'explain' Logan/Sabertooth/Laura were Inhumans all along, aren't they? After all, they can get rid of the X-Men, or at least minimize their presence, but getting rid of Wolverine would be a terrible financial decision.
>>84325356
Rumor has it that he is going to be reveled to be alive in this series. I really hope that is the case
>We'll explore Marvel's Death of X-Men comics to push more Inhumans.
>>84324862
>the Terrigen Mists are vital to one species’ survival
This... This is a dirty whore life. Inhumans could stop using it anytime they want. But let's face it, they're hell bent on genocide.
>>84324982
good point.
It looks like more like an alien bodysnatcher invasion.
You get terrigenised
BAM
Now you are an inhuman and have to serve Medusa.
Thats more unbelievable than X-Men showing up on your door, rambling about save home and trainig your power.
Regarding mostly you have your mutant power sometime, are hated by people, while inhumans are discovered in a pod by inhumans and mostly most people dont want to kill you.
>>84325087
We have to boost the fuck out of sales for this do they know they fucked up. All their sales have been shit but it'll slap them in the face if they see a huge spike in sakes for this followed by their same crappy sales once it's over.
>>84326026
More they intend to kill a species of only for superhuman powers
>>84325493
/thread
Just wait and see, we'll have Cyclops organizing rape-trains on Inhuman orphans.
The inhumans didnt lose anything in cyclops war,hell they are praised while the mutants are in literal hell.
Whatever Cyke did it didnt affect the inhumans at all
>>84326072
That soundsinhumane
>>84324545
>Inhumans have been growing and becoming more prominent in the Marvel Universe.
They're force feeding us Inhunans. Just like they're force feeding mutants the Terrigen Mist.
Remember, Beast was right.
>>84326119
good one. kek
>>84326156
Dont know if they mean in universe.
At least not in popularity.
Lots of variant covers too.
I guess this is Belasco?
>>84326304
They constitute this month's Marvel variant theme. They are not variant covers for the actual Death of X mini
>>84325479
Would be great if they brought him back to life just for an Inhuman to kill him again for max Marvel pettiness.
>>84325479
>end of Death of X
>its revealed that Cyke planned it all
>he faked his death to be right from the shadows
>he and Emma are underground boinking constantly
>>84326388
>underground
>not Alaska
>>84324614
Bleeding Cool (I know, but it's not rumors shit) actually did an article recently about the differences between Marvel and DC exclusive contracts. This mainly applies only to artists.
With DC, even though you have a contract with them, they don't always have enough work for you. If a script is late, and you can't draw the pages since they don't exist, you don't get paid.
Marvel guarantees X amount of pages to draw every year; it's up to them to find work for you if scripts are late or something. The downside to this is covers don't count towards that total. They still get paid for them, but they learn when they think the contract's done they actually owe a few more pages, so might as well sign another exclusive contract. Then they're locked in again.
And both give you the standard healthcare and dental and all that.
>>84326373
Would be great if Cyclops isnt dead but underground plotting against inhumans.
But Marvel likes to turn their posterboy of property they dont own for cinema. See Mr Fantastic getting replaced by richards from ultimate universum.
>>84326304
That's a little suggestive. That, or I've been reading too much Berserk recently. Probably both.
>>84326420
>Would be great if Cyclops isnt dead but underground plotting against inhumans.
No, it wouldn't. We all know his team would lose.
>>84326221
Beast threads are poison to everything right and good in the world.
>>84324545
Are inhumans mutants or what?
>>84326388
I can find the power inside me to believe this. No one can break up Scott and Well Written Better Jean.
>>84326441
>That's a little suggestive
Dude, Belasco has no interest in Illyana now that she's an adult.
>>84326441
It's definitely a little weird given Marvel's recent shift in culture
>>84326455
Maybe he's underground plotting against Marvel editorial.
>>84326476
No they're faggots.
>>84326476
Mutates, not mutants.
>>84326485
>Wade, I have crazy mission for you...
>>84326304
Looks at the placement of the tentacle around her neck. Big. Blue. Floppy. Tentacle.
>>84326455
Its the perfect time for them to bring back the OP character that is Jean. So when they're about to lose Scott can be like, "oh fuck, its my giant space raptor god wife"
>>84326455
Sure,
but since Marvel likes to "reform" bad guys in the future Cyclops may end in a thunderbolts book.
And with his damages he has he is a little bit more interesting than his boyscout attire.
Even if this involved Marvel/fox shenigans and bad writing from Bendis.
>>84326504
I thought mutates were in the Savage Land?
>>84326519
Great, now I have to jack it to a demon sorceress and a Demon Hell King.
>>84326539
they are special
>>84326059
>Come with us Anon, you are an inhuman now
>Eh no...I have my entire life here
>You will be mistreated, humans will not understand
>Fuckers you purposely changed me. I'm not thanking you. Go away
At least if I was a mutie I'd see myself as a natural thing
>>84326478
Didn't Belasco die, like in the 80s? I thought he was in the perma-dead boat like Uncle Ben.
At least these gay ass mists could bring back powers to depowered mutants. *cough* Jubilee and Danny Moonstar *cough*
>>84326608
They don't need their powers back. All they need is to be in a well written book.
>>84326563
>At least if I was a mutie I'd see myself as a natural thing
This at least the xmen didnt turn you into a mutant.
You could have just stayed a human if not for those assholes.
>>84326526
Can we bring her back and have Cyclops: Best Family Ever ongoing?
>>84326539
>you get power by outside source
>mutate
Spider-Man, Hulk and Savage Land people are mutates.
>>84326563
This so much.
And regarding the time before the whole no more mutans/hope thing, you mostly lived some months with your power and frightened humans till X-Men arrived.
And even now the people are more bigots towards mutants thaninhumns as far as i read.
>>84324545
In other words, we refuse to ride good x-men comics...
>>84326608
You want another Callisto situation?
>>84326187
This was never in doubt
So was wolverine
>>84326639
>Can we bring her back and have Cyclops: Best Family Ever ongoing?
Not Knowing that him and Emma are the best family. Cmon man.
I love the fact that since the movie was cancelled the Inhumans are going to be quietly put back to their corner sooner rather that later.
Meanwhile we will still have X-books front and center for years to come
>>84326304
Where is the outrage? This is literally rape! REEEEEEEEEEE
>>84326675
>84326675
lmao
>>84324545
>Kuder
And another one bites the dust
>>84326221
I hate beast. Such a piece of shit race traitor.
>>84326639
>Cyclops: Best Family Ever ongoing?
How does that involve Jean?
>>84326697
Yeah but its gonna take years. Although it really helps that Inhumans is selling like shit. On the bright side, we might get a lot of time for some good character development. Well only if we get lucky.
>>84326579
He gets stabbed in New X-Men, but the guy always comes back.
>>84326579
Time is weird in Limbo, you can be dead and alive at the same time. Belasco himself is the evil corrupted slave Nightcrawler who slew his master Belasco only to assume his form, forming a nice time loop.
>>84326680
>implying I don't want all of Summers girls in one book with Cyclops having dinosaur adventures in Savage Land
>>84326712
"lets fuck up the timeline forever and bring myself and my best friends forward in time for laughs, that will definitely show Scott for starting a black ops team. " Then he went and fought on Captain Americas Black Ops team.
>>84324545
>wasting Kuder on this
I hate Marvel so fucking much.
>>84326736
Ugh, Inferno confused me enough.... this is crazy. Damn it Magik, why do you have to be so well written yet convoluted.
So as long the Mutants are getting fucked for the next 5 or so years, maybe we can really focus on the neglected X-team. Please Marvel? just one 30 issue series. or 100 thats cool too.
>>84326745
I would buy that every fucking week. Cable and Rachael can come too.
>>84326752
It's more like..."Let's fuck up the space/time continuum and bring myself and my best friends forward in time for laughs. That will definitely show Scott for killing Xavier." Then he went and helped the Illuminati blow up planets.
>>84326680
This anon has class.
>>84326818
Oh sure, but Lemire's writing it, and 65% of the issues will be tie-ins.
>>84324545
>Soule
boy, it's going to suck
Inhumans don't need mists to survive.
>>84324982
And the whole "We don't have direct movie rights to the mutants" thing that clearly has no bearing to them being put in a corner during all the big flagship events.
>>84324545
>Marvel killing off X-Men and mutants to spite Fox
>using Inhumans to do it
just kill me my senpaitachi, I don't want to live on this planet anymore
>>84324545
Once flagship, still a flagship, judging from the sales alone
>>84326476
Inhumans are a Kree war project going back a few thousand years. Kree took some pre-mutants that showed genetic potential for being super-soldier combatants and experimented on them, using Terrigen Mists to finalize the process. The Inhumans rebel/are abandoned, are way farther along with a glimpse of future technology than the rest of the humans and make a splinter society on the moon. They continue a selective breeding program to try and maximize their powers in children without bad mutations, and they end up with a caste system(they have genetic dropout retards do slave labor, and this is a major plot point to some stories).
>>84326480
Let's chase the inclusivity crowd is not taking a stand on moral grounds it's marketing.
>>84326476
they are alien mutants. it's canon.
they use terrigent mists to unlock x-gene
>>84326504
>Wade, I have crazy mission for you...
Wouldn't be enough without Squirrel Girl.
>>84326519
>>84326544
Yep. It's not even taut; it's just laying therecaressing her.
>have recently focused on sorting out their own problems rather than taking center stage at world-changing events like Secret Wars
Can someone remind me how many there were x-men tie-ins for Secret Wars, not counting books like Siege, or Red Skull?
>>84324545
didnt we have a leak some time ago about whats gonna happen?
>Both Cyclops and Inhumans discover about the mterrigen mysts, and want to keep it on the down low and work together to fix it
>Rogue wants to go public about it
>Cylops steps ahead and doesthe right thingit first so he takes all the blame instead
>Some mutants take it very bad and attack inhumans
>Storm X-men try to stop them, end up fighting scott
>Jean tries to shut his head down, but ends up finding the Void fragment in his head and gets rekt
>>84327958
>using Terrigen Mists to finalize the process
Actually the Inhumans created the mist
>make a splinter society on the moon
Attilan started out on earth and stayed that way until the pollution thing.
>They continue a selective breeding program to try and maximize their powers
Not since the genetic council got disbanded
>they have genetic dropout retards do slave labor, and this is a major plot point to some stories
Nope, they created the Alphas themselves, they aren't Inhumans.
>>84328037
Nope, Terrigen flip flops between two things. Either being a thing that mutates all that it touches, and being something that mutates Inhumans specifically. Considering its effects on the X-gene nowadays, I can safely say it isn't unlocking that.
>>84328176
yeah, wasn't that stuff Remender originally had planned?
>>84327753
And Lemire who admits that he can't write team books
This is a trainwreck
>>84328176
That was planet X, before Rick got kicked off.
>>84328176
>void fragment
Ah, glad someone remembered like eight years later
>>84328176
according to this leak we will get to see PIXIE slice the throats of Inhuman kids, but she was really mind controlled by Quentin Quire.
>>84328200
you are a casual, pic related
Inhumans are altered humans, who use Terrigen Mists to unlock x-gene.
>>84328161
>Age of Apocalypse
>House of M
>E Is for Extinction
>Giant Size Little Marvel: AvX
>Inferno
>Old Man Logan
>X-Men 92
>Xtinction Agenda
>Years of Future Past
What waste of ink.
>>84328276
you forgot
>Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars
>Mrs Deadpool & The Howling Commandos
>Star-Lord & Kitty Pryde
anyway, the point is, X-Men had the majority of tie-ins during Secret Wars, and again, not counting x-books in disguise, like Red Skull, or Siege
>>84328256
>written by the guy that didn't know Ahura existed
The mutant genes spoken off are the ones the Kree implemented not, the magical mugga stuff. That story shows what happens when mutants get close to the mist and it quite different than Inhumans. Not to mention we have the current "anything with a X-gene even an inactive one gets fucked over" canon. Sorry m8.
>>84328276
many of them were good. the only awful was was Years of the future past.
>>84328352
Kree didn't implement anything, casual, they twisted human DNA, and tried to make humans Eternals. Also, The Mist also used to be deadly to normal humans, even distilled. So yeah, come back, when you get older
>>84324545
>There’s a lot of tension between these characters about that, and also within the fandom
Ah yes, the Inhumans fandom, all twelve of those people gave up the second Inhumans became movie rights friendly X-Men and got pushed for Summerslam.
>>84328352
The recaps are written by editors, not the writers. Indeed, you are a filthy normie.
>>84328317
Right, forgot those three.
>editorial demands Quill on that fancy ship
>does nothing
>has godawful mini with AoA Pryde
>>84328382
To each their own, I guess. I remember disliking most of them, except Red Skull, Siege and X-tinction Agenda.
>>84328451
The funny thing is that Avengers didn't have a single tie-in with a legacy / classic Avengers story. Instead most of them were shared with another franchise, like X-Men, GOTG, Spider-Man, etc.
>>84328389
>Kree didn't implement anything, casual, they twisted human DNA,
It was those alterations that I am talking about anon. They successfully altered their DNA but it should no results, until Randac created terrigen which reacted to the changes.
>The Mist also used to be deadly to normal humans, even distilled.
And the mist was always deadly to mutants, they warned Quicksilver about when he wanted to have Luna gassed. So if that is the case it would be that Inhumans are not mutants.
>>84328520
make up your mind, because it's hard to tell what you want to tell.
Luna was a baseline HUMAN, because it was canon, that Inhumans and Mutants together nullified each other genetically.
The origin of Terrigen Mists is not clear. It's not specifically shown whether Randac created, or discovered them.
>>84328487
Well, most of their tie-ins were character-related. Sure, they didn't get Avengers Disassembled 2, but they got Future Imperfect and Armor Wars. And story that is Avengers-centric, Korvac Saga, was given to Abnett for his Guardians.
>>84328595
Future Imperfect was X-Factor / Incredible Hulk,
I don't remember avengers there, but I remember Ruby Summers.
Armor Wars was Iron Man's story, so it doesn't count as Avengers
Abd yeah, Korvac Saga was basically Gotg / Avengers.
They could have do Avengers Forever, some classic story with Kang, but they didn't, because it seems like Avengers are a tough seller on their own.
>>84328520
Sure are the inhumans mutants.
There x-gene is just altered this much, it needs an accelerator.
Use it on a normally mutated x-gene from evolution, it will boost it.
Like cancer the x-gene now kills the mutant.
>>84328451
Siege was the best book of the event, even better than the main event, but I think Carol Danvers stole Abigail Brand definitely.
E is for Extinction was great, except for the ending.
>>84328635
Ruby was the only character from X-Factor so I wouldn't really call it an X-Factor book anymore than I'd call it a FF book just because Ross was the ThING, or a Thor book because the Destroyer was in it.
>>84328635
Kang was in Siege, of all places.
But you know what I meant, they got no Avengers books, but Iron Man, Thor, Hank Pym? They all got something tied to them.
>>84328707
Age of Apocalypse had dumb ending, as well.
No More Mutants with redhead flavor.
AoA Carol is hawt as fuck, though. So is AoA Husk.
>>84328739
Obviously it was Incredible Hulk story with characters introduced in X-Factor (Ruby being prominent, and the rebels being more of a background characters). The thing is, Ross is a Hulk character, even if he changed into a FF character. But first and foremost, it was a Hulk story, and definitely not an Avengers story.
>>84328767
>But you know what I meant, they got no Avengers books, but Iron Man, Thor, Hank Pym?
This. So much this. One could think that during 50 years of Avengers there were some notable storylines enough for a tie-in? I mean, not even a Proctor saga.
Why is Marvel such a pussy and just keeps dragging the end of the X-Men?If they want to get rid of them to get the rights back, they just should shut down everything.
>>84328922
Their sales went into gutter with Rebirth. I don't think they can afford losing X-Men
>>84328922
That's not how it works, senpai.
>>84328922
It stills making money.
X-Men sells kinda enables the whole inhuman line and experiments like hellcat or starbrand.
If they defunct it, they wont be able to publish them anymore
>>84328991
The thing is, starbrand, hellcat and inhumans are flops, so it's like, wasting money with no return
>>84328922
lmao
Yeah no they aren't getting rid of some of their best selling books.
Same reason why they have half a dozen Deadpool books.
>>84329006
Yes, but Marvel thought it could be a hit and try to get new series to get more readers.
Its normal in the industry to get money and invest it in new projects.
Sure its wasting, regarding Marvel should know it with all the data they have and how they choose the book-team.
>>84324545
So Disney doesn't own the film rights, so xmen have to go?
They'll soon come for Dr. Doom and I'm going to be so pissed off.
>>84328213
>who admits that he can't write team books
Where?
>>84328584
>Luna was a baseline HUMAN, because it was canon, that Inhumans and Mutants together nullified each other genetically.
She was when she was first introduced. They just dropped it down the line with no explanation.
>The origin of Terrigen Mists is not clear. It's not specifically shown whether Randac created, or discovered them.
Also true, until Soule. Triton says he made it himself. Randac also says later there is no Terrigen outside of lab, so unless he found it under his desk it must have been produced there.
>>84328697
This is actually probable, somewhere around the 80s it became canon that the Inhumans were created because Kree wanted to recreate the Eternal experiments of the celestials. They chose earth and humans for that reason.
>>84329171
>Also true, until Soule.
ah, here you got me, I don't read the recent series.
I only read the classic stuff.
>>84329171
The origins of Mutants / Eternals / Inhumans
are told in What If Vol 1 #23-30 if someone is curiosu
>>84329252
also, I forgot to add, it's very ambiguous what Celestials did to humans, one of the theories is that they gave them protection against radiation, which is why Spider-Man has spider-powers instead of rectal cancer
>>84329153
Every time he gets a new team book he basically says in interviews "yeah I know I sucked the last time but I PROMISE to do better this time"
>>84329284
I remember that in one of x-positions, when asked about his JLA, he sort of admits that he has problems with writing the team books
>>84329277
So Spidey a Inhuman now?
>>84329364
no, what I mean is that the every human has an x-gene, it's just that some humans have it dormant, other active. The x-gene saved Parker from having cancer, and granted him powers, just like with Hulk, or CA.
>>84329364
Marvel sort of switched the terms.
In our world, Spider-Man would be called a mutant, and X-Men would be called metahumans.
In marvel, Spider-Man is a mutate, and X-Men are mutants
>>84324862
I don't understand how mutants are being killed by the Mists when Pietro actually got a boost from it.We will never see Luna again and now that ANI is cancelled, Crystal will once again fade away
>>84329684
Pietro and Wanda apparently were never actually mutants.
And it was depowered mutants who'd lost their X-genes who got powers from the mists
>>84324545
"Your Terrigan Mists are killing people."
"Yeah, but we want our kids to have super powers, so you guys are going to have to take one for the team."
In what possible universe to the Inhumans have a moralistic leg to stand on?
>>84329684
Quicksilver isn't a mutant now anon. plus isn't implied/stated M-pox only hits mutants with an active X-gene?
>spoiler
Crystal conveniently left the mission and returned to Attilan just in time for Civil war. Luna probably won't show up anytime soon..
>>84326752
>>84327083
Yeah, but Steve is a human. Humans are just plain smarter than us stupid muties.
>>84329825
Morals aside none of this really makes sense.
>killing Inhumans isn't going to save mutants and if anything would make them more unwilling to help
>The inhumans don't need terrigen to survive the nuhumans themselves are proof that the genetics will endure without there is also karnak who got powers without it
>the inhumans can make more terrigen, it takes a long time but the cloud isn't there only option
>there are several inhuman cities that still have terrigen, they just introduced another one in All new Inhumans
>The Attilan Inhumans have already stated they don't want to use the cloud because it is sacrilege and since they are the only Inhumans that actively want to change it makes no sense for them to want to keep the cloud
>>84330070
Back in Byrne / Simonson / Claremont / Starlin / Englehart days, Inhumans would sacrifice themselves to save mutants, and mutants would do everything to protect Inhumans.
Look where are we now, where heroes hate each other guts, and wish each other death.
So how many years until the Inhumans stop getting their inorganic AF push and go back to their niche little corner
>>84330141
I have a gut feel like Civil War II is a closure to them. Stuff like mosaic was planned long before CW II, and given that both movie is dropped, AoS will not referenced in MCU, and there is a possibility for Fox / Marvel co-operation (at least with TV shows), it already happened.
>>84330139
Yeah, it is just an excuse for them to fight.
>>84324545
>The X-Men were once Marvel’s flagship franchise
Just like the Fantastic Four was Marvel's beloved family.
Until Perlmutter was Butthurt that Fox had the movie rights.
>>84328922
X-Men still somehow sells (even though it had declines during Bendis). It's the reason they could cancel Fantastic Four, they could make the excuse that it was low sales and hope everyone doesn't notice that FF's sales were as low as Inhumans and Silver Surfer... two titles which had the same sales level as FF.
My biggest problem is that Inhumans don't feel unique. They just feel like low-rent mutants. I think they should've really doubled down on the Inhumans being a separate species, less on "random people get superpowers"
>>84328176
I doubt Lemire even knows what he's gonna write at this point. The whole x-line seems very editorially driven atm.
>>84330400
he comes off in interviews as clinically depressed.
I wouldn't be surprised if he started cutting himself
>>84330394
But then how will idiots self-insert?
>>84328451
Siege was great though
>>84324545
All these pushes and Marvel STILL can't get the Inhumans over.
This X Embargo is pointless, Fox has 19 years of Claremont to draw from alone. That well ain't gonna go dry anytime soon and the super hero movie bubble will burst long before then anyway most likely.
Hampering X comics and shutting down toys, shows, and videogames is just cutting off their nose to spite the face.
>>84330394
There isn't a lot difference between Inhumans and mutants, but between their role in their stories, to how they interact with other characters in the MU there is a lot of difference between the royal family and the x-men. The Inhuman stories were generally about running the kingdom and not the race itself, Marvel is trying to make it about the race now and it comes off as mutant lite.
>>84331109
the only x-men story adapted by Fox was DOFP, and even then it was a different story
>>84324545
>Kuder being wasted
fuck off marvel
>interested in what Kuder has post-Superbro
>it's this nonsense
lmao kill me
>Hvae Reed Richards, Henry Pym or any other smartie design and build a special chamber that can contain Terrigen Mist, loaded with security systems
>Get Storm, use her mutant powers to lead the cloud into the chamber
>Gice control of the chamber to Medusa
>Mutants no longer have to die
>Inhumans can still turn
Sure, you'll miss the random Inhumans unrelated to the kingdom but I think that's a pretty simple, fair solution
>>84331239
It's not that it's not possible to do it in Marvel Universe, it's that writers/editors/whoever won't let that happen.
>>84324545
>have recently focused on sorting out their own problems rather than taking center stage at world-changing events like Secret Wars
Where were the Avengers and inhumans when sentenials attack mutants hmmmm? Or every other major X disaster hmmmmm?
>>84331331
WHERE WERE MUTANTS WHEN KANG TOOK OVER AMERICA, HUH??????
>>84331331
In the Inhumans defense they tried to avoid being detected by humans for as long as possible. I'm pretty sure they even cited the treatment of mutants as one of the reasons.
>>84331375
who, funnily enough, used Sentinels to conquer USA
>>84331434
Hey, if they can depopulate whole countries, why build something else, eh?
Civil War II isn't even half way done and we already know about the next event.
We know about the aftermath of Civil War II itself.
What is even the point anymore?
>>84331463
the point is, why X-men didn't attack Kang, especially when he used mutant-killing machines?
>>84331499
It's just an X-men miniseries set in the past
It's not an event so much as shitting on X-Fags
>>84331508
YEAH, WHY DIDN'T THEY ATTACK KANG?????
Busiek didn't want to add them, plain and simple.
>>84331617
And Morrison didn't want the Avengers to help with Genosha
>>84331617
Fucking Busiek
>>84331617
>>84331648
what makes it really awkward, because when in Spider-Man or FF there was a world-shattering villain, the Avengers always appeared even if only as a cameo. But never in X-Men
>>84331191
They loosely adapted God Loves, Man Kills, and two of the Wolverine movies are also loose adaptions. The Miller series and the upcomming Old Man Logan.
Otherwise they've drawn some things here and there but comic companies are kind of vain about this shit.
The movie companies will pull, but they don't need you to write for them. They just need the characters. And Generic New Mutant 65 is not who they want or really care about. They already have the marketable cast. You're pretty much only harming yourself by worrying about this shit.
Marvel is only shooting themselves in the foot by blocking and tanking what was once their most popular series.
>>84324545
Is the Terrigen mist cloud like an actual cloud of mist? Couldn't Storm or someone blow it way or suck it up into a container of some sort?
>>84331706
The word loosely is important because they took some basic idea and completely changed it. I'm not sure if we will have old man logan, considering that the next Wolverine movie will be called Weapon X
>>84331685
I mean was it that awkward? "Sorry guys, the Master of the World was blowing up Canada."
"Yeah sorry about DC, Brood infestation before we even heard what went down. Is everybody okay?"
Like its a busy setting is my point.
>>84331742
Storm recently said that she doesn't want to blow it into space because it would mean the death of the entire Inhuman species.
I shit you not it happened in the Civil War miniseries. Bunn wrote it and it fucking triggered /co/ hard in the storytime.
>>84331766
She's not Cyclops, after all.
>>84331777
>777
The right has spoken
>>84331648
Exactly. It all boils down to writers/editors wanting to use other characters.But how would we have autistic shitstorms then?
>>84331747
Exactly. It's kind of why they don't need Marvel.
Marvel could say "No more X-Men comics!" and Fox would still be able to pull from the past, and make original ideas.
It's petty, and a bit egotistical to think you matter past the basic IPs is my point really. The thing that will kill X-Men is no appearances in outside media and that shoots Marvel in the foot because the X-Men are kind of a huge money making franchise for them and Fox only gets money if it's based on the movies. Movies that will be made, and will make money, regardless of what Marvel does.
>>84331852
Yup. And yet, there are people who don't get it.
>>84326068
The only real justice is that it seems like Uncanny is about even with/barely outselling Extraordinary. Uncanny's not perfect but it's leagues better than the shit show that is Extraordinary.
>>84331766
They should have had the cloud be gotten rid of during the time skip and just M-pox being a result of it and being passed around from mutant to mutant, killing/sterilizing them. They could still have nuhumans all over the planet and not have the ridiculous shit of the cloud flying around killing people with nobody lifting and finger, it just makes the X-men look stupid and the inhumans look evil because the cloud isn't needed for their survival. If X vs I has to happen they could fight over the resulting M-pox or if BB needed to be punished more severely than exile. I hope this is just a writing mix up and there is a better reason for the cloud since survival or being sacred to them directly conflicts with things established in the Inhumans comics.
>>84332015
Also Storm is probably not the only mutant that could get ride of the damn thing.
Magneto and a fire-based Mutant could probably create an airtight done around the thing with the greatest of ease.
>the time displaced X-Men are still around
Years from now, this whole All-New X-Men debacle will be remembered as something needlessly convoluted and better off ignored, on the level of Teen Tony Stark, Heroes Reborn, Sins Past, etc.
It's a perfect example of everything wrong with "comic book!" writing. Just another lazy, transparent ploy to reboot/revamp and attract (non-existent) new readers.
Sucks that current Marvel editorial seems hellbent on shitting all over Cyclops, my favorite mugga.
Oh well. Maybe eventually a fan of the character will reach a position of prominence in the company and Cyke will be restored like Hal Jordan was by Geoff Johns.
I don't think it's debatable that the X-Men line is currently the worst it's been in at least the past 20 years
>>84328176
>Jean tries to shut his head down, but ends up finding the Void fragment in his head and gets rekt
NOICE
>>84324545
I still don't believe the Inhumans will ever be popular.
If they got the movie, maybe - I said maybe because movie popularity often has little effect on comics popularity (see Iron Man). But they're not getting the movie any time soon.
Meanwhile we have a popular franchise (X-Men) being tied down to an unpopular franchise (Inhumans) in a mutually assured destruction pact.
The Inhumans are what the Marvel Universe would be like if Kirby created it all himself. Fascinating, freakish, popular with people who like weird and wild stuff, but never a big hit. All Marvel's doing is trying to strip the Inhumans of the stuff that makes them interesting, to bring them popularity that they probably can't have.
>>84332451
The thing that makes the Inhumans interesting is the whole royal family angle. What Kirby/Lee original envisioned them as. Marvel has this tendency to take something that's a fanhit and then run it into the ground without understanding why it was a hit.
Deadpool was popular, they throw him everywhere and Way ruins it by focusing on the worst aspects of Deadpool.
Squirrel Girl is loved, they don't grasp that it's because she's a fun joke character and Bendis tries to serious her up and Marvel attempts to make her a real viable thing.
Inhumans are liked, Marvel makes them X-Men lite and ignores the reason people liked them in the first place entirely and now no one likes them and the franchise is totally unsalvagable unless they reboot.
Ms. Marvel is a hit because of the fun writing, they assume it's just the race and legacy thing and keep giving shit writers the same basic concept for them to muck up.
There's an even longer history of this kind of shit going back decades too.
>>84326712
It's really a shame. The decade of redemption for Cyclops as a character, that same time period is nothing but the assassination of Beast by turning him into a whiny bitch. It's not really one writer either, this has been going on since Endangered Species.
>>84326818
>Claremont New Mutants
>the rejected X-Men Team
Every GenX member that's not M says "hi". You can't even hear the Academy X kids. And who the fuck are Generation Hope again?
>>84332823
Jubilee and Chamber are in X-Men 92 at least
>>84332451
>>84332642
Not to mention the X-men got popular at a time when comics where far more popular during the 80s and 90s. There is pretty much zero chance for any franchise Inhuman or otherwise to over take them in this day and age. It's not even a quality issue it just won't work given the current situation.
>>84326818
>A marvel title reaching issue 30
And they call me delusional.
why does Uncanny X Men not have the real numbering which would be 6 hundred something? I dont think relaunches matter for a book with so much history
>>84333305
They aren't DC's comic.
>>84333399
The only DC books that use the original numbering are AC/DC.
>>84333628
And those are the only books that matter to DC.
Just like how Uncanny X-Men used to be to Marvel.
>>84333731
>And those are the only books that matter to DC
Batman is the flagship Batman book, not Detective Comics.
Superman is the flagship Superman book, not Action Comics.
>>84332642
>There's an even longer history of this kind of shit going back decades too.
Yes, 90`s with Cable and X-Force making all Xtreme.
>>84328707
>How can a human child compete?
>>84333884
Superman has been cancelled before.
Action and Detective has been running for over 70 years.
>>84333952
Cable himself qualifies. That non-stop spam of future characters started with him didn't it?
Punisher's popularity lead to a similar anti-hero spam.
>>84331499
You could blame that on it being planned in two months, but the same thing happened to Secret Wars
>>84333389
WUZ
>>84334078
X-MEN
>>84334016
Yes, Cable was this future guy stacked weapons which started this 90`s Xtreme characters.
Good point.
Punisher started this brutal vigilante theme. Right
>>84333970
>Action and Detective has been running for over 70 years.
And yet neither are the flagship books for either franchise.
So.............. is anyone gonna storytime the X-men Civil war that came out yesterday?
>>84334898
It was storytimed yesterday
>what happened to Cyclops?
Gee, I don't remember.
>>84332246
Well isn't the time displaced x-men just Bendis ripping off teen tony anyhow?
>Oh hey let's bring these young versions of characters to stop 'evil' present version of a character!
So who is gonna kill Cyclops?
>>84335936
Jean.
>>84335872
We don't talk about The Crossing.
>>84336076
But Yellowjacket died there. She seemed cool in the comics with her I read with the typical "steal costume" plot and hanging out with Occupy Avengers Mansion version of the Masters of evil and being surprised by super bullshit and then later called to superheroics because didn't remove the communicator in the suit.
FUCK HANK MCCOY THE RACE TRAITOR
FUCK BLACK BOLT AND HIS GENOCIDE GAS
FUCK CAPTAIN AMERICA THE HYDRA HYPOCRITE
FUCK ALL INCARNATIONS OF JEAN GREY ACROSS THE MULTIVERSE
FUCK YOUNG CYCLOPS. IF HE HATES THE REAL DEAL SO MUCH HE SHOULD PICK ANOTHER FUCKING CODENAME
FUCK CHRIS SIMS AND ALL THE IMMATURE RETARDS IN THE X-OFFICE WHO THINK WOLVERINE IS THE COOLEST EVER BECAUSE HE FIGHTS NINJAS AND DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYTHING
FUCK EDITORIAL, NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY THEY CAN'T MAKE SCOTT WRONG. SO THEY HAVE TO RESORT TO SHOVING HIM OFFPANEL
B E H O L D
E
H
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L
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~real mugga hours have begun~
>>84330501
X-writers are like abused girlfriends, they don't want to leave, but they don't want to stay.
>>84336233
X-fans are that way too.
I don't read Marvel, but I always thought the Inhumans were like the New Gods, if that's the case, why are there so many Inhumans in space
>>84336326
Oh, I was thinking of the Eternals.
one thing I appreciated upon rewatching the 90's cartoon was how Cyke almost never had any corny one-liners during fights. He just blasted fools left and right. Kinda makes sense why stupid kids would think Logan the edgy rebel was cooler.
Fuck this. The inhuman's don't die out because they aren't exposed to Terragen mist, they just have to be regular people, which 90% of the time they were cool with from the start. Fuck them.
Meanwhile,
>Mutants don't have a choice over when they mutate, sometime resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths
>Mutants get shit on by humans just for existing.
>mutants have almost be wiped out twice.
>Mutants were an "natural" mutation in the human species.
>Terragen Mist either will horribly fuck up, kill, or at the very least sterilize them
>even the Avengers don't give a shit about mutant affairs and just want to control them
Please cry to me Marvel about how being an Inhuman is suffering?
>It's another Marvel event with heroes fighting heroes
Oh for joy.
>>84336709
at this point the X-Men and Inhumans aren't even heroes, just superpowered assholes fighting for self-preservation
If we learned something from Earth X is that Inhumans are assholes across realities
i'm really worried about emma frost in the bottom left with Beast.
Don't weep for Scott, he died for our sins.
Scott should be Phoenix powered when this starts, everything was said to have reverted back to right before the last incursion.
>>84336873
She's going to betray him, she will think he has done too far and put him down.
>>84336405
Eye guess he forgot to blow them away.
>>84336188
Y'know how she never gets referenced outside of that one-off time in Chaos War? You wanna know why?
Because we don't talk about The Crossing.
>>84324545
What if in a twist out of nowhere the Mutants destroy the Terrigen Mist and the Inhumans are no more?
>>84336822
If we learned something from Earth-X, it's that this was destined to happen eventually. All roads lead to ripping off Earth-X.
>>84337175
That would cause continuity problems
>>84337175
Impossible because this took place like 8 months ago in-universe. This is just showing how Scott died, what the "horrible thing" he did was, and where all the major mutants that haven't shown up anywhere are (probably dead).
>>84337056
I would like an special issue where some character goes aroung the MarvelU speaking out to characters like Emma Frost or Captain America and their respective big hipocrisies
>>84335936
It's not going to be Black Bolt, that is too obvious and BB already has ten thousand reasons for people to hate him. I think the likely routes are, beast to put an end to their pissing contest or Karnak because he is the third most pushed Inhuman behind Medusa and Kamala.
Bonus answer: it is all a conspiracy and cyke was framed and everybody is being mind controlled, which is why most of the psychics are gone except jean who based on her talk with old Logan wasn't there at all.
>>84337210
>>84337216
Shit my bad, though it was gonna be a flashback and then shit happens in the current timeline. Oh well.
>>84337210
>implying Bendis cares about continuity
>>84324545
i know marvel is pushing inhumans hard but this is blatantly forcing them into people´s interests, it hasn´t worked in the last few years and i doubt it´ll happen now
JEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>84335936
Jean, and then it will be revealed that she was villain all along.
>>84337320
being Scott Summers is suffering
>>84337320
>we hippie and shit
>>84337320
where is that from?
>>84337320
Marble with the subtlety of a porn scene
>>84326304
Sym will save her.
>>84337320
Did you guys know that the Terrigen Mists which create Inhumans are also deadly to mutants? This means mutants are in decline and on the brink of extinction, while the Inhumans are soaring to joyous new heights!
Here's a handy illustration with all the subtlety of a brick to the balls
>>84326818
Where's Doug?
all i hear is X-men rebirth in 2017
>>84337320
Slim lives while all around him die. SLIM LIVES.
>Black bolt left out again
>terrigen turns a guy into brother voodoo
This could have worked if terrigen actually kept Inhumans alive. Like in alt universe where the pollution thing still effected Inhumans and the only cure was covering the planet in terrigen. We could have gotten this scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWo_FOKHgVE
>>84337320
it bugs me how human they look like. The point of the Inhumans is that they look, well, inhuman. I can give a pass to the Royal Family for being the ruling caste and being technically the most advanced and powerful of all and maybe two or three random inhumans, but fuck, they aren't even hiding that they want inhumans to be Mutants 2.0
>>84334679
So? Flagship or not, those two titles have the weight of comics history on their shoulders. When you see AC approaching 1000 there's a lot of legacy behind it. Xmen used to be that with marvel.
>>84331766
bull fucking shit, inhumans were fine before the mists even appeared,why would they die? specially since so many new inhumans are still alive
>>84337719
I wish there was more stuff about the divide between the monstrous superhumans and the regular looking ones.
>>84332246
haha no m8, all this marvel now nonsense will be as memorable as post-clone saga spiderman or heroes reborn
>>84337828
>Xmen used to be that with marvel.
Not really. Fantastic Four was that. Amazing Spider-man was that.
Uncanny X-men, not as much. It certainly had a long runtime, but even Avengers had an extra 100 issues on it, and Avengers vol. 1 was cancelled over 6 years prior to UXM.
>>84337984
I wonder if Marvel's hateboner for the F4 is because of movie rights or there's something more, like their hate for Cyclops
What's the difference between an inhuman and a mutant again?
>>84337881
They couldn't be bothered to think of a good reason so the used one that doesn't make sense, the cloud isn't even the last of the terrigen. see >>84330070
>>84338082
One is a society with history and the other is a bunch of disjointed assholes who hate each other.
>>84338082
Inhumans are pro-skub, mutants are anti-skub
>>84338102
tell me there are more parodies like this
>>84338133
that could really well describe both groups. at the same time.
>>84338133
A history of eugenics, isolation, xenophobia, and a genetically engineered slave caste
>>84338102
Christ, is Tony incapable of arriving anywhere these days without using The Cool Movie Landing™
>>84337320
Marvel can go to hell.
Cyclops didn't die, he just went into hiding and became Xorn in Uncanny Xmen.
>>84337357
Yeah, sauce pls...Google is failing me
>>84326072
So they're the U-men?
>>84326633
Except when they accidentally did at the end of AvX.
>>84338677
I dont think that
Xorn healed Magneto, he is the real Xorn who has a black hole in his head.
BTW, Xorn could suck the Myst into his black hole, there are many mutants who could get rid of it. Unless they are afraid of the inhumans, of starting a war with the inhumans, or if they consider that eliminating the mists would be genocide against the inhumans.
It is a silly plotline.
>>84337984
it was fantastic four and spidey in the sixties and seventees, spidey still was up to the 80s, x men didn't had it's big boom until the 90s with the jim lee x men, and the x titles totally dominated that era
>>84338851
by the mid 80s X Men were the best selling comic book by far
I remember a panel of all non mutant Marvel heroes, all the avengers, spiderman, f4, running after Longshot angry because X-Men were all the kids wanted.
>>84338082
Mutants are a result of Celestials tampering with genomes back when the Earth was still new in order to create a race of superpowered individuals that would protect the world until the Celestial in the Earth's core was born and broke out of there (this would of course kill everything on the planet).
Inhumans are genetic experiments the Kree made. Their powers don't manifest naturally but require terrigen to be triggered.
>>84338904
you're right, i forgot about how popular claremont x men were in the 80s, even amazing spiderman said "the non mutant superhero" in the title
>>84338851
But the point is that Marvel's two highest running books weren't UXM by quite a margin. So the Action Comics/Detective Comics doesn't work. You're claiming that because UXM was popular in one bygone era, they should get special treatment and be the only book to keep its original numbering like how DC does for Action and Detective despite Action and Detective not being flagship books anymore.
But UXM wasn't Marvel's more prestigious title. It wasn't its second most prestigious. It wasn't its THIRD. It was its fourth. It doesn't rate on the same scale that an Action or Detective Comics does.
Why go-to bat for 4th Place when Fantastic Four doesn't even have a book. Even if you get rid of FF, the "big 2" issue count wise would be Avengers and ASM.
>>84337357
>>84338698
https://twitter.com/Marvel/status/751166405874225152
>>84339085
Thanks anon
>>84331309
And that's why cape comics are terrible.
>>84336202
BLAST THAT SUBMIT BUTTON
>>84326221
>>84326460
>Beast will never redeem and fix himself through good writers
I want this meme to end
>>84337320
larger
>>84337719
I don't know most people in there can't really pass for human. Even the most human one I can clearly see still has a glowing third eye on his forehead
>>84336202
THIS GUY KNOWS THE TRUTH.
EMMA, SCOTT AND ERIK ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH.
WOLVERINE AND PROFESSOR X WERE HACKS
This could go either way.
It could show what happened to rightclops and show he's pretending to be dead and will come back in a big way, which is what this is a setup to.
OR they could show what happened to cyclops and show how he actually died and how he's dead and gone for good
>>84339356
I want a version where all the dead people are the Inhumans. I could deal with most of the main cast of X-Men dying for a few years if we take those bastards down with us.
>>84339356
I'll say this: Marvel knows the fears and insecurities of their x-fans.
>>84339433
Marvel is an expert when it comes to manipulating the negative emotions of their captive audience. They love to make fans angry because it boosts sales.
>>84339371
>he's dead and gone for good
Never gonna happen. Whether they do even more character assassination or not, he will return in one way or another. Its just like Adult Jean. Its not a matter of if. Its when.
>>84339371
>he's dead and gone for good
Like Wolverine, amirite?
>>84339609
I give that shit until next October in one form or another.
>>84324982
I have to wonder if their Inhumans push is working even a little bit. Moviefags are all on the Avengers train, X-Men is mainly appealing to diehards and habitual buyers at this point, I think. But years out now and I still don't understand why the Inhumans seem to be the connective tissue of the entire MU.
>>84339356
Inhumans look like artwork from a Jehovah Witness booklet
>>84339609
>>84339680
Wolverine is to masculine for current marvel
>>84339978
Lmao 20x
>>84338175
From that guy? I have no idea. I do know of mightygodking and nuzlocke.
>>84337320
marvel is pretty unsubtle but if it works...
>Tom:
>I don't expect you to post this, or even reply to this rambling diatribe, but I want you to know something. Sincerely. Truly.
>Nothing you or the editorial team can do will make me hate Cyclops.
>You can diminish his legacy and downplay his role as the first true X-Man and de facto team leader, try replacing him with a watered-down teenage version, kill him unceremoniously off-panel, refer to him as "Mutant Hitler", and even have his teammates and oldest friends turn their backs on him. It doesn't change the fact that he was right in AvX. Even Bendis had Beast, president of the "Cyclops is a big dumb jerk club", admit as much; although of course that small victory couldn't last in a story arc filled with typical X-Men time traveling shenanigans.
>Whatever drastic and "reprehensible" action he ends up taking against the Inhumans and their genocidal mists, I'm sure it'll be intended to appear as ignoble and reactionary as possible, and I'm just as sure it will still end up backfiring on you guys just like AvX while ultimately staying true to the core of his character: making tough decisions with his back to wall.
>Someone willing to shoulder the burden of his endangered species, no matter the cost to himself or his reputation. Someone who will take action not because he craves power or the spotlight, but because SOMEONE has to step up. Someone with the discipline and restraint to put the needs of the dwindling mutant race over his own safety and comfort. Someone who isn't concerned with being feared, hated, or even liked. Someone who learned just as much about leading mutantkind from Xavier's teachings as he did from battling Magneto. I perversely look forward to "Death of X" and the further abuse you folks will undoubtably unload on Cyke.
>>84326476
They're literally cheap knockoff mutants the Kree made.
>>84341246
>I realize you're a firm believer in the "angry fans and controversy lead to higher sales" school of thought, but please bear in mind that there are also quieter elements of the fandom that have been reading various titles for years, and just because we might not be as vocal with our displeasure does not mean we are thrilled with the direction you have taken with this character.
>I think you'll find that the tides will continue to shift, so to speak, and the whole "Cyclops is lame/Cyclops is a wet blanket/Cyclops will never be as awesome as Wolverine" narrative that the X-office (and Mr. Sims in particular) try to push will be more and more out of step with the actual general fan consensus. I'm fairly confident you've probably already got a decent gauge of the fan reaction to Cyclops' treatment post-Secret Wars, and I'm also sure you've probably received your fair share of nasty correspondence on that subject.
>I won't take up any more of your time, so I'll leave you with this: Cyke fans are more than used to getting shafted by editorial edicts and status quo demands. Some of us still remember X-Factor, and the uphill battle Simonson had to fight in order to keep Scott from coming off as a deadbeat dad after Claremont's happy ending for the character was swept aside. Some of us spent more time than we care to admit trying to convince our friends that Scott was more than just some square drip who got jealous every time Hugh Jackman hit on his girlfriend. Not all of us dislike a character because he wouldn't let Wolverine be hardcore in the 90's cartoon.
>So bring it on, Tom. He can take it, and so can his long-suffering fans. X gon' give it to ya.
>And ditch the fedora for Christ's sake man. Have some self-respect. It makes you look like you're one of those blue dots on Google Maps. Someone who Chris Hansen would ask to take a seat.
>>84341246
Who are you quoting?
>>84341307
me, i have too much time on my hands and the adderall still hasn't worn off. i dropped it in fedora man's formspring
>>84341293
>>And ditch the fedora for Christ's sake man. Have some self-respect. It makes you look like you're one of those blue dots on Google Maps. Someone who Chris Hansen would ask to take a seat.
>>84341334
OK, I asked because I share your pain man,,,the fedora line was great, but he'll never answer.
>>84341283
No, they're cheap knock-off eternals.
>>84341571
yeah I realize that, he only answers questions that are either sucking his dick or impotently bitching about some minor thing so he can further twist the knife and incite more rage with a smug passive-aggressive response
but like i stated earlier, he probably will read some of it while he peruses his inbox. he might even make it to the very end where there's a little surprise for him.
at the very least he'll lay eyes on it and get a reminder that not everyone who's sick of his shit is a whiny child that will continue to buy his books like a battered housewife. some people are disappointed in marvel's current sad state of affairs without having to resort to "racist/hate speech" in order to validate the fat man's belief that he must be doing something right to provoke such reactons
>>84341658
Technically it's both since while knockoff eternals are what they tried to do they only could try to study the humans that the celestials had been fucking with which would eventually make mutants.
The end result was basically mutants that don't naturally get powers which is why if you shove some mist at a depowered mutant the terrigen takes the place of the X-gene but does so really badly.
>>84341293
I wanna like Chris Sims, I really do. He is funny on Podcasts and some of his Comic's Alliance work is Decent. ButFuck...... His writing is beyond terrible. if it werent for the top tier art i dont know what the point of X-Men 92 would be. A;so They should do an X-Men 86.
>>84341246
>>84341293
All he has to say to respond this is:
>AvX didn't backfire. Tony Stark knew there'd be new mutants. It was Iron Fist's training that made Hope capable of letting the Phoenix go to create new mutants, as well as the presence of the Scarlet Witch, a mutant Cyclops wanted to kill back in Children's Crusade. Not to mention that, under Cyclops, one of the lights died, making it impossible for them to accomplish their destiny.
>Also Cyclops was the one who was undisciplined and unrestrained enough to not being able to control the Phoenix and let it go; making it, and by extension him, almost destroy the world; proving the Avengers were right about the Phoenix being a force that wouldn't be controlled with just Cyclops training.
And all of that is canon. Bitching or not.
>>84341293
They didn't accidentally make Cyclops right about what the Phoenix came to do.
Cyclops is both Brevoort's and the EIC's favorite X-Man.
The last 12 or 13 years of main-line X-Men books besides Extraordinary (which is about to focus on Cyclops after Death of X reveals him to still be around) have focused on his development almost exclusively. Even the none-Scott books (especially Wolverine and the X-men and Bendis' books) were about the other characters being mad at him in an effort to martyr him (YouHateMeButILoveYouGuys.jpg).
I don't particularly like the character, but Cyke fans being so dumb makes me like him less.
Hello. Marvel is and has been appealing to you, mainly because the editors don't relate to any other X-Men character (unless we count Deadpool as an X-character).
Seriously, stop whining. It's like Warren Buffet crying that he doesn't have enough money.
>>84341246
>>84341293
>thinking the cyclops thing isn't on purpose
They could have made him mustache twirling evil ,killed him or just stop writing him as the main character at any time. Scott isn't the most popular mutant, the books would live without him.
>>84341971
I think the problem is the Cyclops train that has been speeding so quickly, is making a stop at the station. We are scared its not gonna start up again for a few years.
>>84329132
That guy's already been neutered... Well groomed but neutered.
I'm dreading how many characters they're gonna kill off just so they can kill off...
>>84341971
he had a good run from new x-men up to avx consequences, but marvel has been consistently dumping on cyke since secret wars ended
he barely got to interact with other parts of the marvel universe when bendis had him in his clutches, let alone the other x-men.
he was originally slated to be a recurring antagonist for the uncanny inhumans ongoing, but when the higher ups realized that people were more hyped about cyke having some actual agency again and potentially overshadowing the big inhumans push, they changed their plans before the first issue shipped
solution? killing him off panel and dragging his name through the mud. even his teammates from the recent uncanny run spit at the mere mention of his name
we keep getting told that he did something horrible
and brevoort literally called him mutant hitler
it's not paranoia or a persecution complex like pymfags have, cykefags have always had to deal with writers and editors who hate the character or don't know how to write him. remender and aaron were both deadset in the notion that scott was a monster for killing xavier and should be vilified
writers like chris sims make him into a joke, like that recent marvel now what? issue
even that bit where he showed up with the so-called "worst x-men". sitting at a table with maggot and fucking adam X
it's not whining, it's just tiresome that it always seems like for every writer who "gets" the character (claremont, morrison, whedon, gillen), there's an entire editorial office that thinks he's just a douchebag and should stand aside to let bad boy logan run the show
>>84334609
/and while were pointing things out, this over-saturation fo 'cute' in comics in recent years, were did that originate?
>>84342408
>it's not paranoia or a persecution complex like pymfags have
I'm not up to date on my Bendis rapings but isn't Pym a murderbot now because Bendis hates him?
>>84341246
>>84341293
i agree but christ this is whiny
>>84342457
Nah. Pym would have been fucked over even harder if Bendis hadn't been kept from him for the last decade or so. It was just another writer dropping the ball after a great setup like usual.
>>84342457
he had one of his best stories in years in the Rage of Ultron OGN
at the end of it he fused with ultron. I know he was showing up in an avengers book soon, but I don't think Bendis has anything to do with it
>>84342457
Bendis didn't really have anything to do with that, he killed him in Age of Ultron but that retconned itself in the last issue.
Pymtron was Remender's doing.
I think it's Uncanny Avengers that's using him now? I'm interested to see where they go with it, I think they were hinting that Ultron's currently in control of Pym's body.
>>84342408
>it's not paranoia
that is exactly what your post was, and in a very advanced stage
>>84342408
>he was originally slated to be a recurring antagonist for the uncanny inhumans ongoing, but when the higher ups realized that people were more hyped about cyke having some actual agency again and potentially overshadowing the big inhumans push, they changed their plans before the first issue shipped
Proof? And if you are going by that teaser from inhuman most of the stuff on it didn't happen.
>>84342408
>the higher ups realized that people were more hyped about cyke having some actual agency again and potentially overshadowing the big inhumans push
>He thinks they would skip out on a chance to boost the Inhumans sales
If they were worried about them being overshadowed they wouldn't have put them up against the X-men. If anything they want them to be carried.
>>84341841
i feel bad that that anon is acting like Sims' has power in the X-office or something. Hell X-Men 92 kind of gave us Scott's final happy ending.
>>84342532
it's not paranoia is just being fully aware of marvel's current modus operandi and treatment of cyclops. based on actual evidence and editor/writer quotes from the past year, as well as solicits. i'm not fretting that a character is going to be "ruined", i'm just expecting more of the same.
if you want paranoid go into a thread about the new little black girl that's iron man or sam wilson captain america or the trump/MODOK parody or any thread that's filled with people freaking out about supposed agendas or pandering
there aren't many longstanding marvel characters that get the shit end of the stick as often as cyclops does. maybe pym, or vision, or recently wanda.
>>84342532
Asshole, stop antagonizing the Cykoes. It's just going to lead to another thread derail. They have the obsession and the numbers to do it.
>>84342632
it's not that sims has influence over the other writers or the editors, it's that his complete fundamental misunderstanding of the character is very common among people who aren't familiar with the franchise or the direction it's been taken for the past 10 years. mishandling a character can bleed through to future writers. remender might not write for marvel anymore but when he and aaron were on the x titles, any time cyclops was referenced or shown, he was an unapologetic douchebag
again, not being paranoid, not crying about some conspiracy to shit on cyclops. it's not a secret effort, it's all on the page.
i'm not upset about his treatment, i'm just disappointed. if you don't like a character, don't write him. or send him off like sims did in '92. don't keep him around to vent your dislike
>>84336233
Well he's getting paid and has an exclusive so of course he won't want to leave
>>84342408
>>He didn't get to interact with the rest of the Marvel Universe.
Ugh. A shared universe fag AND a Cyclops guy? The worst. Should have stopped reading there.
>>Logan show
Wolverine literally died first. And he actually died. Cyclops isn't dead, obviously.
And I'm samefag from earlier. Cyclops fans confirmed for dumb.
>>84342457
Him becoming a murderbot was the result of Rage of Ultron, one of the better Hank/Ultron stories in years.
>>84325476
And poor Wild Child will likely still be forgotten in limbo, I'm guessing. How did he get re-powered after M-day, and how did he survive being tossed in molten metal and what is his long hinted connection to Sabertooth?
And I thought we already knew how Sabertooth got un-dead? Stupid cloning afterthought of a storyline. Did he die again and I missed it?
What is Daken's current status, btw? Last I heard his healing factor wasn't working/was making him sick and he lost an arm.
Also wondering if the teragen mist effects feral mutants with regenerative healing factors or not. Has that been revealed?
>>84337320
cathartic kek
>>84343230
i remember when trolling required a bare minimum of effort and some degree of subtlety
you're just making yourself look lazy & dumb. sad!
>>84341934
Tony Stark? The same tony stark that split phoenix into 5 separate beings and made PHoenix five? Iron Fister training? I thought that Spider-Man trained Hope? Also, seriously? few days of lifting buckets against whole life being trained by Cable?
Also, Scarlet Witch? The one who actually made the No More Mutants spell? The person responsible for Phoenix coming back to Earth?
Also, the Avengers were the one, who were constantly trying to piss off Cyclops, even Reed Richards admitted it.
Really nigga? I can go all day.
Avengers were 100% wrong from the very beginning, and they almost caused the destruction of the Earth
>>84344003
I wouldn't go so far as to say that was intentional trolling but the notion that Logan's not alive in there is simply silly.
That guy didn't know jack'.
>>84341762
it's more like "mutating a mutant", which is why it's bad for mutants.
>>84344087
>Iron Fister training? I thought that Spider-Man trained Hope?
She did train under iron fist and spider-man gave her his "with great power comes great responsibility" talk. But yeah it was never hinter anywhere that Hope and Scarlet Witch were aware that they were restoring mutants when they wished the phoenix away, all they were doing was trying to get rid of it.
>>84344087
Dude, next time you try pointing out how wrong the Avengers are just mention Tony Stark.
>>84339038
And where are FF now? And let's not start about Spider-Man
>>84344119
It gives them almost the same exact powers. If there was some variety to the ensuring body horror i'd agree with your argument but since it (so far) gives a clearly warped version of their old powers it makes it more likely that the inhumans are just botched mutants.
>>84344087
They were both wrong and Cable didn't train Hope for shit about anything to do with the Phoenix despite it being the center of his actual religion.
She had to learn the word existed from Mr Sinister.
>>84344146
(not them)
Iron Fist was involved with teaching her the mystical dragon punch, why did you think Spidey's training was taking place in that lost mystical city of Kung-Fu magic?
>>84344192
replying to the wrong guy bub, you meant to reply to the guy I was replying to.
>>84337320
so yeah, Cyclops basically confirmed for being right, AGAIN
Funny, that it will make X-Men only more popular
>>84344087
Didn't actually need to become the iron fist because the phoenix was weak to shuo-lao chi?
>>84335936
medusa. there is even a variant cover
>>84344186
Cable's job wasn't to teach her how to be a Phoenix host. How could he even try to do that? he's never been a host.
His job was to keep her alive using time travel to hide, and raise her until she got her mutant powers.
>>84332978
yeah, it's too little and too late
>>84332451
Do you see GOTG comics selling?
They don't, and the movie was super-popular
>>84344087
Yeah, Stark splitter the Phoenix in hopes of it exploding and creating those new mutants. His plan failed but that doesn't take away the fact that he knew there would be new mutants after the Phoenix exploded.
>>84344170
This as well, as Inhumans are Humans, only with messed up DNA
>>84344317
Isn't Bendis' GotG a good seller? Granted that's because of the name Bendis being attached to it but still.
>>84344280
I don't even remember them teaching Hope anything beside that "power and responsibility thing". And yeah, Cable was teaching here a lot of variety stuff, remember that Cable comes from the Askani / New Kanaanites club that was founded by Rachel Grey.
Do you remember Rachel Grey? This mutant who possessed Phoenix Force for decades without going mental?
>>84344352
It's not. It sells around 30k. At first it was selling 60k, but it dropped over time.
>>84344330
How did he knew? His woman instinct told him?
It was a little lie he threw, so Cyclops would agree on some weird tests. I'm surprised that Cyclops didn't sue Tony Stark for the whole Phoenix fiasco
It's funny how the Civil War Kingpin issue introduced an inhuman whose power was being overlooked by the prophecies, doesn't that sound like a certain someone?
>>84344260
That might just be a symbolic cover, they did that with almost every Uncanny X-Men cover during the last run.
Foreshadowing, I guess.
>>84344398
He stole notes on what was going to happen from his future self. At least pay some damn attention before you mouth off. Most of Stark's confusion during AvsX was him trying to figure out how the stupid fuckery he was told to do was supposed to actually work out.
Now that I think of it this makes Stark even more hypocritical than usual in Civil war.
>>84344372
Ray...Shell??? Never heard of her. Does she ever appear in comics?
>>84344511
Fucking Stark. And now he has a nerve to criticize knowing future. Fucking hypocrite moustached bastard. I'm glad he's being replaced by 70s girl
>>84344524
What a cute redhead.
BTW, Claremont intended her father to be Phoenix.
>>84344511
Oh, I remember that. It was in Avengers Vol 4. The very first arc. There were also some foreshadowing of Yesterdays X-Men, and Age of Ultron.
>there are people that think this wont be a bait and switch
They have ignored way too many factors to play this straight.
>cyke did something super horrible that pissed off the the humans and made the X-men hate him
Oddly the people it is implied to have been done to don't care. Medusa mentioned scott once and isn't acting like a large tragedy happened
>Inhumans don't need terrigen to survive
stopping the cloud wouldn't negatively effect the Inhumans at all. They can make terrigen and the other cities have terrigen. If anything it would make things easier for them since half their resources go corralling nuhumans
>No body
Unless he was obliterated there should be one
>missing mutants
a shit load are gone with nobody saying anything, especially the ones close to scott like Emma, the cucks, and quire
>what ever tragedy happened left no known character effected
We have no idea who the victims are suppose to be, we know it wasn't a royal family member because most of them are accounted for and there would a LOT more dead muggas if there was.
>Who witnessed it
It seems to me the characters sound less like they saw Cyclops do some horrible shit and more like they heard he did some horrible shit.
>>84344398
It's selling more 40k, not 30k
>Guardians of Galaxy 7 40,213
>Guardians of the Galaxy 8 38,404
>>84344562
>They can make terrigen and the other cities have terrigen
Didn't they already say that BlackBolt blew up ALL the terrigen and that they no longer have any left?
>>84344280
>>84344372
Once again I will point out that Hope did not even know the word phoenix EXISTED. None of her training from Cable was in any way relevant towards controlling it and given how much of a psychotic slave owning bitch she is I'd say he completely neglected the idea of making sure she didn't become mutant Hitler like she did in Bishop's timeline.
I can agree that the Avengers training bit was stupid but the X-men and Cable weren't doing anything to properly train Hope either. They could have done so but they utterly fucking didn't and for whatever reason chose not to. You don't get to use what they explicitly didn't do as an argument for claiming they did what they didn't.
>>84344562
Thank Odin! Someone's actually providing reasoned analysis!
... WTF? Is THAT reallly all we know?
>>84344602
Terrigen is made anon it isn't naturally occurring, Soule himself wrote this. see >>84329171
The thing is it takes a long time to make and it will be decades before they can use it, same thing happened after war of kings.
>>84344602
There was more hidden in Attillan by an inhuman villain (he had alot fo secret stashes since his "power" is to grab some terrigen to huff and then get whatever mutation he he wants for a bit) and it's an artificial substance. They can manually create it but it's like really hard to do and they'd rather let millions of people suffer or be transformed against their will than to simply endure not having powers everywhere for a generation or so.
>>84344645
Cable's training was more relevant because from what I mentioned. What happened, is Avengers editors whipping up some 5 minute retcon to make it that Phoenix was always part of Kun Lun. Also, how Iron Fist taught Hope controlling Phoenix? I don't remember seeing anything of that. They were mostly harboring her there to hide her from the Cyclops.
X-Men have an experience with Phoenix. They know everything there is to know. Cable knew that Phoenix would come, and as a matter of fact, he warned Cyclops of the avengers.
Nope, nope, nope. Simon Williams was Right
>>84344711
And they still didn't train her in anything to do with it at all until 5 minutes before the fucking thing landed. Why do you not get that anon?
Cable didn't mention anything to her and taught her nonpowered stuff.
The X-men just outright hid everything and let her run around enslaving/mindraping people.
That is not training at all.
They could have trained her properly but they absolutely didn't bother.
>>84338102
>>84338175
heres the orgional
>>84344783
>Why do you not get that anon?
Because it's bullshit.
I refuse to accept that shitty retcon
It was supposed to be an x-men event, but it got hijacked by avengers.
It's all bullshit. And bendis knew it, that bald bastard knew it, because he said that AvX will make people talk on the internet for years to come.
>>84344562
- Sunfire was somehow involved with the mystery event too.
- The absence of the Cuckoos is curious, but (A) both Emma and Quire have quit the X-Men altogether in past issues, and (B) there's the M-Pox desease-causing T-Mists floating around making sick and/or dead.
- That "million mutant march" in Uncanny #600 might have been what has been described as Cyclops making the humans hate but no longer fear mutants. The thing that makes the mutants hate him could be an entirely different thing he did.
>>84344709
There is this though, about Attilan Inhumans not wanting to use the cloud because it is sacrilege and filthy. However this was before the mist was killing mutants so they might just retcon it for the sake of conflict. There seems to be two possibilities.
>They gave that shit up and actually use the cloud even though no new Attilan Inhumans have bee introduced and it has never even been implied to be happening in the books
>The Inhumans magically forgot how to make it even though they have been shown making it before
Either way it is stupid because Hickman just introduced the concept of other Inhuman cities, and so far they all have terrigen.
>>84344783
Go back and read it all again.
Think long and hard about what you've posted here.
Repent, you casual.
>>84344910
>>84344806
It's not a retcon of the X-men's lack of training for her i pointed out, you imbecile.
The Iron Fist crap and the X-men/Cable not training her are two separate but related issues. One does not remove the other.
We demonstrably saw in all of Hope's appearances with anyone even remotely X-men related that they did not train her and that she had no relevant training or knowledge concerning the phoenix. We even saw that they were purposefully withholding that information from her. You are running around bitching about your retarded headcanon.
Are you pretending to be retarded?
>>84344794
also this one for fun
>>84344934
And Avengers trained her? How? By lifting buckets? By painting some old building? By fixing the doors? By washing the dishes?
>>84344960
Separate but related issue.
Because the Avengers training was retarded does not make the X-men not properly training her any less retarded. You're trying to prove the X-men right via demonstrating the Avengers side is retarded without realizing that doesn't prevent both sides from being idiots.
>>84339356
Wow, maximum overtriggered.
>>84344991
And the conclusion to this long debate is?
>>84345003
AvX is a shit event.
Everyone's a retard because they're written like retards. The plot doesn't make sense because it's poorly written.
>>84344853
>making it
That's the thing, they don't make the crystals, they refine them and make the mist out of the crystals they dig up, it's a finite resource.
They need the mists to ritualistically evolve upon the appropriate age. It's their whole culture.
Otherwise they're just a colony of Kree on Earth.
>>84345015
I can agree with that.
It's nice that once in a while we can reach an agreement on 4chan without insulting each other.
>>84345003
Everyone involved in AvsX was retarded which is what I already said ten billion posts ago while another anon or two pretended to be retarded.
>>84345056
Indeed.I'm a different anon.
>>84340007
TOXIC
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>>84345068Too bad.
>>84345003
It's all Bendis fault... again
>>84344934
Dude, you're cleary either delusional about what you've read so long ago, or you're shitposting.
You've made crap up and you got called out on it. It's that simple.
It's not personal, because you're anonymous here, you moron.
>>84345100
Acceptable.condition
>>84342515
I'm not sure that Bendis hates Pym. He does hate everyone else tied to him, though.
>>84344448
And he has antique name, just like Homer!
>>84345132
He hates the idea of Ant man to begin with so it's not specific Pym hate. He just thinks it's beneath him and the Avengers to have some loser like Ant Man on the team unlike Luke Cage getting a woman drunk out of her mind pregnant via anal sex.
Disassembled was him getting rid of any characters he disliked so that he could put together the people he thought were "worthy" of being avengers for his New Avengers team.
>>84344454
Ultimate costumes rocked in X-Men Legends 2.
>>84344448
there isn't anything introduced by inhumans that wasn't hijacked from x-men
>>84326187
When has Beast ever been right about anything?
This is the guy that keeps making himself even more monstrous every time he tries to cure himself. Uatu literally came down from the moon to stand next to his bed one night and tell him how wrong about everything he was.
>>84345205
You shitpost and shitpost and shitpost.
Yet somehow, you're still an impotent little shit.
THIS IS NOT A HATE BENDIS AND MARVEL MEME THREAD. SO STOP SHITPOSTING.
>>84345240
Jeeezus! You destroy one time-space continuum and they never let you forget it...
>>84345314
people can be very insensitive sometime
>>84345284
Riri pls.
>>84324545
>Charles Soules
Fuck yes
> Lemire
Fuck no
>>84344398
GotG is selling good. It's the rest of the line that is a rotting corpse. Proof that they completely fucked up with trying to copy the movie.
Ironically, Bendis book is the only one that doesn't try to be the movie.
>>84326544
>now I have to jack it to a demon sorceress
that's a terrible attitude
>>84326563
> serve me now
Yeah I'm missing the part where Medusa's hair prevents a .38 hollow tip from opening up her skull
>>84345240
The reason he can't figure out how to cure his artificial beastly secondary mutation isn't because he's not smart enough, being a supergenius is one of his mutant powers, it's because ProfessorX used his telepathy to stop him from ever fixing that, as punishment for leaving the X-Men. Without Hank knowing, of course.
>>84337492
>Where's Doug?
where he belongs, in the dirt
>>84345439
(it's actually canon that the hair is bulletproof)
>>84345451
DIRTY CYCLOPEAN PROPAGANDA
XAVIER IS PARAGON OF PEACE
>>84326563
Actually they don't force you to go to Attilan.
>>84345494
>(it's actually canon that the hair is bulletproof)
I'm sure Frank Castle has a few things to say about that
>>84345451
Hank was just a regular genius. At some point that simply became retconned into him being a supergenius on par with the brightest in marvel despite him not actually being in that tier.
I personally think he probably just adapted to all the shi'ar tech the X-men get to use really well and gets mistaken for being smarter when he just had access to more knowledge and better tools.
>>84345509
Resist the brainwashing, Anon. Free your mind from his influence.
>>84326563
They don't force you to go and frankly that city can't possibly be large enough to hold every last nuhuman.
It's more like they show up in droves to "convince" you to join them while you're still utterly confused as to what the hell is going on and may actually be in desperate need of medical attention and training exclusive to them.
>>84326304
Somebody on /co/ thought Death of X was just a variant cover thing and not an actual series.
>>84345612
Pfft! Reed Richards, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, and Tony Stark all started out as "regular" geniuses who kept being retconned into being smarter and smarter from the start.
These days there's at least a sliding scale for "genius" and you'll get really smart characters comment on how much more intellegent Richards is than anyone else.
Remember that back in the Silver Age genius scientist was a Sci-fi catchall phrase for an easy source of exposition.
Besides, his original mutation of being physically superior athletically isn't that "mutant" without the mental superiority too.
>>84345494
>(it's actually canon that the hair is laserproof)
It is actually really durable.
>>84345753
Even then Hank McCoy wasn't remotely on the level of Pym, Stark, and Richards.
It used to be that they were so far above him that he'd be honoured to be in the same room.
>>84345687
That's not my post but a while ago I posted the same basic theory.
Can you blame me?
For a bit all we knew was the name, remember? and the big 2 are still doing theme cover "events" all the time.
Being a fan of the X-Books is really tiring. I just wish they would give me some space to recover after all the shit that's been going down these years. More time with books like WatXM but.. you know... better written. Spend some time with some X-Kids and not just time-skip through them growing up.
>>84341841
>i dont know what the point of X-Men 92 would be
pander the fans of the 90s cartoon for nostalgia. They're trying to do Batman 66' and failing horribly at it
>>84345829
I like to think that the Original 5 living in the present is a way to restart everything for the characters and give new writers an opportunity to give them more stories without retconning away all the complicated histories of the adult versions.
You can't do Cyclops meets Mr. Sinister again for this generation of readers, you can't do Beast without the blue fur, you can't do Jean dating someone with normal eyes, you can't do a hundred different stories unless they're here.
And you can't just use the experienced, traumatized, battle-tested adult versions to tell new takes on old story ideas, it doesn't work without dialog about how normal it all is to them. Plus, they've all changed so drastically.
That said, the window on the Original 5 still being sent back hasn't closed yet.
I get that Marvel would like another X-Men-style franchise to exploit for movies and TV, and that's why we have the Terrigen Mist suddenly swarming over the planet, but the concept as a whole is never going to be as popular as Marvel wants it to be, because it's shallow and marketed towards the wrong audience. Mutants work because they're symbolic - every one is born different from the rest of the world, is forced to change, and is forced to confront that change. They're allegorical for so many things - being born a different race, being born LGBT, dealing with culture shock, immigration, generational conflict, coming of age... there's infinite ways to do stories with mutants, because there are infinite different perspectives on the concept.
Inhumans try to mimic that, but fail on two major fronts. First, the change ISN'T MANDATORY. Maximus/Black Bolt forced the change on the world, and that kills off so many parallels - you can't force someone to be born black, gay, in a different country, etc. Yes, by pushing it as "Terrigen Mists sweeping the planet", Marvel's trying to frame it as a natural event, but it isn't. It goes, in fact, against a vast majority of Marvel's style. X-Men? Accidents of genetics. Hulks? Accidental gamma exposure. Captain Marvel? Accident with aliens. Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, all accidents. But the Inhumans were the opposite of random chance - they mutated deliberately. If they wanted, they could return to that controlled exposure. People could say no - they could develop a counter-agent to the mists, lock themselves away, or simply find some way to not be exposed. Inhumans could return to being a closed society, and in many ways STILL ARE - which leads to the second issue.
>>84346019
Mutants have an infinite diversity - some go with the X-Men, some go with the Brotherhood (or the evil team of the day), and a whole lot say "fuck it, I'm doing my own thing". And that's reflective of society - some people try to be examples of how their particular group should live, some people are the worst examples, and a whole lot of people just consider it one part of who they are. But if you're Inhuman - you're part of New Attilan, or you're fucked. (Or part of Orollan or Utolan, who nobody cares about at all.) You get the choice of joining the self-isolating city, or fending for yourself out in the greater MCU, where they barely tolerate albinos and lefties, much less Inhumans. And even better, Attilan is a monarchy. If you want the Inhumans to be someone that Western audiences can see themselves as, making a solitary ruler a mandatory part of the fantasy is a bad idea. AoS had the idea in the small scale, and unsurprisingly, it immediately set fire to the monarchy. Oh, it turns out the ruler of the hidden civilization is corrupt and isolationist. It's a trend you can see in Western literature and media for decades, if not centuries - we vastly dislike undemocratic government, for obvious reasons.
And these reasons are why 'Death of X' is going to be facing an uphill battle to be accepted before it's even begun. It doesn't matter what Scott Summers did. At the end of the day, we understand a man fighting for the survival of his race, regardless of how far he goes. It's why Magneto was always such a compelling villain - he always believed he was championing the cause of his fellow mutants. Cyclops did whatever he did to protect his people from the world - and the Inhumans, ultimately, are always going to be the ones who forced the world to become their people.
>>84345868
>X-fags cry for years for something like cartoon
>it's shit
>>84324545
Ok, first off
>Marvel Soule
>Lemire
Who is Kuder? Is he good? Because it takes someone good to balance out the boring bullshit of these two.
>>84345988
How horribly naive.
>>84345815
>For a bit all we knew was the name, remember? and the big 2 are still doing theme cover "events" all the time.
If they tease a name then it's definitely not going to be just a cover event. That was the first hint.
For variant themes they usually cut to the chase and outright say "Marvel announces Hip-Hop variants" or "Marvel announces Gwen Stacy variants". If Death of X was just a variant cover theme they would've just outright said "Marvel announces Death of X variants."
>>84346038
Kuder is artist. See OP's image? That's his work.
>>84346040
Well, of course I'm naive, I was only exposed to this strange and scary modern world a little while ago. You see, I'm from the past. I've travelled through time into what you call the present day. I was just another child living an abnormal life a few decades ago, but then before I knew it, I found myself in 2016!
>>84346029
The concept isn't shit, the execution is amusing, just not -good-.
>>84346027
Real talk:
> It doesn't matter what Scott Summers did. At the end of the day, we understand a man fighting for the survival of his race, regardless of how far he goes.
This is the only rational stance. You can't have a less-right-clops. He's always gonna be right because everything he did was to protect his family, his friends, his future, and his species. You cannot vilify him enough, no character assassination could scrub him wrong. I don't know why they are even trying.
>>84346040
What's the not-naive take on how that plays out?
>>84346154
( I'm not going to say it this time. )
You just keep saying there's nothing that Cyke can do wrong in your eyes.
But you know that your Cyclops loyalty is going to be tested with this event.
>>84346052
Then it's already doomed to be mediocre shit.
>>84346199
Nah. They know that someday, probably soon if Spider-Man: Homecoming goes as well as people expect, they'll have the full X-Men rights back, at which point they'll want him ready to go. So it'll be some half-assed "evil" that can be excused or ignored down the line.
>>84346250
It's wasn't me, it was my evil clone!
>Sinister sneaks out
>yfw the person that kills Cyclops is johnny storm in an effort to save Medusa which in turns causes her to fall for him
>Scott didn't accomplish his revenge goals but in his death he caused black bolt to be cucked
>>84337320
>everybody around him dies from M-pox but he survives
>The clone scott was only one that was resistant to terrigen according to Sinister
Are you Ready for Scott to be the first Inhuman/mutant Hybrid?
>>84346257
I've been saying for a little while now that it'll be a frame-up job by Evil Havok.
>>84346283
But Anon, clone hybrid Scott turned into a reptile monster.
>>84346308
Yes but it took time to get to that point. Imagine Cyke gets caught in the mist but instead of M-pox he starts to mutate further turning him into something between a mutant and Inhuman. Cue Identity crisis and breakdown, Scott while not in the right state of mind attacks Attilan.
>>84345829
Just read some classic comics, plus fringe books, like Power Pack, New Warriors, Ka-Zar, seriously. There's enough of it to last a lifetime
>>84346369
>Cue Identity crisis
I AM CYCLOPS NO MORE, I AM CYCLOVOIDLYPSE
>>84346029
it's okay. neither shit, nor great
>>84346019
it's true. People who like X-Men, will not like the replacement. People who hate X-Men, will not want to read their replacement
accept no imitacciones!
>>84346262
"It was worth it"
Scott "The inhumane killer" Summers, 2016
>>84346369
sure, it's going to be popular.
*rolls eyes*
>>84326068
>we had to buy shit books so they'll know to stop making shit books
marvel deserves to die for breeding retarded fans like you
>>84325493
Hopefully they actually make the Inhumans movie, and it tanks the MCU. Then the Inhumans will be buried forever.
No mention of movie rights? C'mon now, we know that's what it's really about.
>>84346165
Everything will for the foreseeable future remains a clusterfuck. The old characters remain as irrelevant as ever, their characterization does not improve, the teenage versions keep doing superfluous shit and refuse to GTFO from the 616 continuity, growing more and more unrecognizable from what they grew up to be, and I mean that in a negative way from the fan perspective. And given enough time, everything about this will quietly be ignored once a new batch of relaunches and writers come along until somebody has the terrible idea to rehash something from this era in ten, fifteen years into the future.
>>84346369
>>84346419
>>84346292
Don't forget, Scott already has that supervillain thing covered. (Or, he could just go Muh Phoenix again)
>>84346463
Take the problems I mentioned in my last post, then throw in the added problems of 120 minutes to reconcile two vastly different stories (recluse society vs. global phenomenon) or just settling on one, despite neither one exactly lighting sales on fire, a new ensemble that has zero backhistory to draw on for characterization or an old ensemble whose characterization were all one single immutable trait, the AoS crossover problems, and the most well-known character being silent and not once using sign language.
The Inhumans movie is going to get made right after the Black Widow solo movie. Or Fan4astic 2.
>>84336202
my mugga
>>84346540
>Emma doesn't want Skimpyclops
What is this madness?
>>84341762
>The end result was basically mutants
No. The end result was shitty Eternals that become Deviants when exposed to terrigen mist.
>>84326624
>well written book
>modern marvel
pick one
>>84326563
now that you mention it, it is surprising how chill everyone is with the terrigen mists circling around the world, and no one blames the Inhumans for it.
>>84347632
Being Inhuman is gift. Being mutant (see, it's so lame that it doesn't even have capital letter) is "I want to be target, please throw rocks at me".
>>84336202
How can a mugga be so right?
>>84347685
Practice made him perfect
>>84326701
Don't give them any ideas.
>>84348014
X-MEN ARE WARRIORS, NOT KILLERS LIKE SCOTT SUMMERS
>>84335222
Based
>>84328252
>Quentin Quire.
Oh for fucks sake, he made a great hero
>>84336459
the purifier will change targets soon
>>84348550
Inhumans have their own human supremacists.
What is the difference between Inhumans and Mutants?
>>84348641
One will get good movie, other have eight shitty ones.
>>84348641
Mutants are the same genus as humans, Inhumans are the genus Inhomo.
>>84348641
Celestials made mutants and gave them a noble mission in creation. They display powers usually at puberty.
Kree made Inhumans as part of genetic research and to create a slave/soldier race. They need terrigen crystals to activate powers.
>>84348671
>Inhumans
>getting a movie
Wasn't it cancelled or indefinitely delayed because Disney is realizing no one wants discount bin mutants?
>>84348762Fishing for responses, senpai.
whats the name of the opposite of redemption arc? because that is why they are trying to do with Cyclops.
I mean, the opposite of what happened to Magneto, who went from moustache twirling villain to anti-hero.
Unless, Marvel likes the controversy about Cyclops, the people complaining and saying he was right, and will therefore write his stories very ambiguously, so that he can neither be condemned completely, or admired completely. I think they want him as a polarizing character, not a 100% evil one.
>>84348809
A fall from grace arc?
>>84348809
He's Hitler, senpai. Don't you listen to Brevoort?
>>84348336
Quire a shit and should have stayed "dead"
>>84348837
All Brevoort said was that he was considered worse than Hitler in universe, that wasn't his personal opinion, just his analysis on how every other character treats him.
>>84348809
What they are doing with Cyclops is character assassination and Inhuman shilling
>>84348890
Still, not shown in-universe. Inhumans don't care, Avengers don't care, flatscans in All-New O5 don't care. Only cast of EXM acts like Cyclops burned orphanages.
>>84348908
WELL, IT'S HIS TURN TO GET ASSASSINATED AFTER YEARS OF OTHER CHARACTERS GETTING ASSASSINATED IN ORDER TO CYCLOPS
That's what people unironically believe.
>>84348966
>WELL, IT'S HIS TURN TO GET ASSASSINATED AFTER YEARS OF OTHER CHARACTERS GETTING ASSASSINATED IN ORDER TO CYCLOPS
Well it is the privileged cis white male's turn to get shat on.How was my /pol/ impression?
>>84348105
THE ONLY KILLER IS WOLVERINE
>>84348991Weak, senpai. You should go like "are you afraid PoC books will sell better" or something in that vein.
>>84349020
WOLVERINE IS HONORABLE SAMURAI, CYCLOPS SHOOTS ENEMIES IN THE BACK
>>84349040
Scott could have just talked her down, like in the Dark Phoenix saga
>>84326403
Anon Alaska has Mr Sinister's hidden cams everywhere. He can only boink underground in peace
>>84349076
Sinister probably has cameras inside everyone just to stop Scott from fucking anyone but Jean. He is never safe.
>>84349076
Retiring to Alaska is Scott's endgame, senpai.
>>84349103
Man will die for his ship if needed.
>>84345687
>>84345815
>>84346051
Thats my post.
And i was wrong.
I still believe it was a variant, which they redid into a miniseries.
They never stated variants, but they made variants. Thats uncommon for Marvel too, so its not uncommon it was just variants.
Later on they announced variants, but it got huge publicy.
So they made into a miniseries. Thats why they took Lemire and Soule from the other books, because they are easier quicker in the setting.
I bet the miniseries will feel rushed, because they produced it on the fly because of media reaction.
I was wrong in the end, but only because they changed it afterwards.
>>84349020
BUT CYCLOPS KILLED THE ONLY MAN WHO MATTERED!I still can't believe someone looked at this page and thought it was good
>>84349129
Look at Beast.
>finally, after all those years
>I finally have morally high ground!
>brb, gotta mess with time-stream
>>84349129
Wait wait wait.... Shield Built Sentinels? I thought they were the good guys. Did the Avengers do it? Also everyone knew that Professor was a death faking asshole. Scott shit on him a lot before he died.
ALSO EVERYONE ON WOLVERINE'S SIDE IS TERRIBLE.
>>84349187
inb4 Rachelfags saying "she's on their side to spy on them!!!!"
Sure she is.
>>84349129
Lol IceMan's weird Ice beard is so stupid.
>>84349068
If only Wolverine were here to make all the tough calls.
>>84349199
>inb4 Rachelfags saying "she's on their side to spy on them!!!!"
>Sure she is.
Oh Gillen, you could've cleaned up this shit show. If only you would've wrote another year or two.
>>84349407
LMAO, "X-Men don't Kill!" less than 5 years later he has his own murder crazy solo series.
>>84349432
Too busy inserting his qt colored grills in Darth Vader.
>>84349492
Why cant there be a mutant whose mutation causes inhumans to devolve?
>>84349536
>implying Storm wouldn't send OML to deal with mutant whose power can destabilize Inhuman-mutant relations
>>84349536
Why Can't Jean come back and "Accidentally" go dark phoenix on the Inhuman royalty. I'm A Emma and Scott shipper, but i'd let her come back just for that.
>>84349568
Storm is such a house mugga
>>84349187
Yes/No.
Dark Beast built sentinels with Shield's money which Shield was extremely pissed about (and trying to figure out who the fuck was using their resources for Sentinels) but then Cyclops goes full terrorist so that they're stuck having to keep the sentinels they didn't want in the first place because he's attacking them too much for them to investigate where the fuck all of these sentinels are coming from. Then the X-men do their standard fuckery at the risk of everyone else on the planet which makes there be even less of a reason to scrap the things like they wanted.
Oh and Mystique disguised as Dazzler was in charge of human/mutant affairs but kept on siphoning off all their cash instead of doing her job no matter how many times she was asked to do something about all of these giant death robots (Any attempt to ask her to work and do the job she was hired for was apparently racist) so any attempt by SHIELD to get to the bottom of things was utterly fucked.
TLDR Shield didn't want them in the first place but the X-men are so much of a threat that they don't have much of a reason to turn them off.
>>84349490
It's even better because he literally strikes a mortal blow at Rachel who very nearly died to that.
>>84324862
Yes, and mutants were still being born after house of M; they just didn't show any powers. Shitclops still wanted them to be activated. How is this any different?
