Who honestly had the better ideals for mutant kind?
>>84313841
Not the known terrorist, that's for sure.
>>84313841
For mutantkind specifically? Magneto. Muties would rule over humans like cruel gods. A pretty sweet deal for them.
>>84313841
Magneto
mutties should just live in the moon
>>84313869
Why not? Didn't he have his reasons at times?
>>84314004
>fuck off space niggers we're full
What was Xavier's plans for mutants exactly? Just live in the school like outcasts so that the government can't murder and prosecute them? So basically bend over, right?
Magneto
Magneto probably. If this was the real world Charles, but they live in a world where people don't change and learn.
>>84314091
>What was Xavier's plans for mutants exactly? Just live in the school like outcasts so that the government can't murder and prosecute them? So basically bend over, right?
It was more like "maybe the non-mutants will trust us if we can go stop mutants from killing them".
>>84313869
as opposed to xavier, the unknown terrorist
>>84313841
the human politicians
These mutations are not a case of "slightly stronger" or "slightly smarter" they can destroy entire cities, sometimes on just their own or do something incredibly inhuman(just imagine what xavier could do if he were evil). That is far too dangerous to just leave it to trust simply because they were born with that power.
If they have a vaccine, which they occasionally do in some storylines, they should indeed force everyone, or at least those with harmful powers, to be injected.
Both of them are constantly proven wrong that their methods don't work, xavier can't trust his students to remain on his side, and magneto can't trust his own soldiers to not kill him in his sleep. The only reason why these two specifically are still alive is just because they are too strong(and of course shitty writing)
>>84314091
>>84313841
Xavier
Magneto's was too hostile and always ends up with humans trying to kill mutants because he acts like a fucking terrorist.
Childhood is when you idolize Xavier
Adulthood is when you realize Mr. Sinister makes more sense
>>84314387
I think a good representation of what Xavier could do if he were evil happened in the last XMEN movie. When apocalypse was able to gain temporary control of Charles' power.
Magneto is a hypocrite and his actions only increase the persecution of mutants.
>>84313841
Xavier understood that, at least in the beginning, integration was vital to mutant survival. He challenged his students to find positive ways to lend their powers to society, basically teaching that with great power comes great responsibility and trying to make it so that the world would no longer hate or fear them.
Magneto wanted things his way and he wanted them now, which is unrealistic for a minority group especially one as scattered as mutants. He used humanities hate and fear to spur more conflict between the two groups. If Mutants were the only super powered people on the planet and they had more numbers this could have worked out and I couldn't blame him for trying. MLK probably wouldn't have led all those sit ins and protest if he had the power to force the government to do what he wanted.
But since the state of mutants is what it is non-violence is clearly the preferable route at least for now.
Even a nazi can see through Magneto's bullshit.
Xavier tries to show humanity that there is no reason to fear mutants, Magneto is the reason for humanity to fear mutants in the fist place.
>>84314059
Having "good reasons" is no excuse to kill and terrorize people. As shitty as some of what Xavier did was, at least he had some restraint with his powers. Magneto literally destroys cities when he doesn't get what he wants.
>>84315271
Murdering the shit out of the inhumans is the preferable path right now. Better to go out in a blaze of glory
>>84313841
JOKES Apart, Ciclop.
I live in a country where there is a group of people in the same conditión as Mutant (but no powers), and for them, the only viable way as been the rightclops way
>>84315279
Xavier never dispelled the deepest fear at the root of mutant prejudice though. He was never able to quell the primal dread that mutants, if they survived, would inherit the earth thanks to their enhanced abilities while humans went extinct from the rapid fire global threats.
every terrible thing that xavier, magneto, and cyclops did for the sake of ensuring mutant survival was motivated by the exact same thing that drives anti-mutant prejudice: the fear of 'your own kind' going extinct, the same thing that motivates the terrible stuff the inhumans have done
If it was the real world, Xavier
In context of how fucking stupid everyone in Marvel is, Magneto
>>84315396
So the group secludes themselves from the threatening population then asserts themselves as too beneficial to destroy and if that doesn't do it too powerful to defeat?
>>84315314
If it gets your shit done, then it's a good enough reason.
>>84315314
Asteroid M was never meant to crash
>>84315473
in some way yes.
Magneto is about racial superiority, to turn arround the table, Charles is about Integration, but rightclops is about Autonomy.
In my country there is a etnical group, that ass the mutant have a a lot off partys against it, suffer from state terrorism (cops and military raids theirs homes), a mass spread racism on the main civilian populatión, and in a sense are concived like a total diferent kind of persons, soo a big faction of this group has been doing the rightclops way and try to autonomize from the country defending their territorys and fighting for it, mean while other litle factions apeals to change in the country politics and human right on the international arena.
So, yes a main rightclops way, off fighting for autonomy and thry to change the political mood
>>84315400
no one cares if mutants or humans will remain after how many years(after all in the end mutants are humans), it's HOW they survive that is the problem.
Humans are afraid of mutants because they could kill anyone of us with a simple thought and we wouldn't have a fighting chance.
Mutants are afraid, that humans are afraid of that reason and thus will try to kill us first.
If humans and mutants didn't had that fear(and no evil mutant existed somehow) then we would simple coexist, and depending on what canon how mutants came to be, mutants would eventually just remain because humans simply died of old age and the newborn are mutants as well.
>>84314499
Whichever one didn't raise a bunch of impressionable young men and women to act as their own private army.
>>84314449
That is a damn good page.
>>84313841
Charles' ideal were admirable, but naive. Have things gotten even ONE bit better for Mutants?
Magneto had the more realistic outlook. "Days of Future Past" is a guarantee that humanity will NEVER accept Mutants. And that is the canonical future for Marvel
>>84316053
things were looking pretty bright for mutant kind right before wanda maximoff happened to them
>>84313841
Xavier. Although he failed to live up to them. Living with and fucking humans just like humans did with neanderthals until both become better.
>>84316053
>canonical future for Marvel
>future
>canon
>>84315673
What country is this?
>>84316175
Tibet?
>>84316127
Yeah, canon.
They keep going back to it so many times that it HAS to be canon. Nimrod and Racheal Summers came back from it, so that means it's guaranteed to happen.
This also means that Jean Grey will come back eventually because Racheal exists, and Jean needs to come back to give birth to her
Linear temporal logic
Cyclops.
>>84316175
Chile, and the etnical group is called Mapuche,
>>84316426
Thanks. All this shit is very interesting
>>84315400
I'm not familiar, what have the inhumans done?
>>84316356
nah. it says right there that a future merely has to be sufficiently probable for people to be able to travel to and from it. That's why you an have both DoFP characters and 2099 characters coexisting in the present
>>84313920
Magneto's retarded social darwinism would eventually fuck the mutants over, though.
His whole, "Mutants are the new, better race of Humans" would turn into, after the extinction of Humanity, "These Omega Levels Mutants are better than those Zetas over there."
That's the point, Hitler turned Magneto into Hitler, and anyone oppressed under him would also become Hitler.
>>84316498
Black Bolt unleashed a Terrigen mist bomb that turns humans with partial Inhuman ancestry into NuHumans, because they lost Attillan and needed a population boost
they've probably done some other stuff in the past too but I'm not familiar with their more classic stories
>>84316465
for nothing, for me was very intersting the Utopia run cause asemble too much to a real XXI etnical conflict, and also the mapuche conflic and other indegeneus stuff happening nowaday on south american countrys are very instersting, more cool and weird than ant hunger games movie
>>84316498
>>84316578
The Terrigen Mist bomb also kills and/or sterilizes mutants, and a shit ton of them have been effected.
One is a liar and manipulator and the other is a crazy terrorist. Both are such bad options.
>>84316748
clearly if we somehow merged them together we would get one, competent, well balanced leader
>>84315279
Red Skull wasn't being insightful, that's the same damned schtick that he's been running on Captain America for that book's entire run.
And we should all pay attention to that because /pol/ nazis do the same damned thing, how many times has some asshole trolled a /co/ thread with lines about how this or that superhero isn't liberal or pro-American but somehow must be ultra-right-wing, and from there they always try to blur the lines between that and their shit...
These tricks are not valid arguments, Magneto is not a secret Nazi.
I shouldn't have had to explain that.
>>84316356
ah yes, the far-off future of 2013
>>84316356
marvel time isn't linear, nor logical
>>84316799
Good idea! We need to take the best of them and combine them into someone superior to all mutants!
>>84314098
>they live in a world where people don't change and learn
This
>>84316799
Ah, to be young aga- >>84316921
God fucking dammit.
>>84315271
>If Mutants were the only super powered people on the planet
That's a good point we have to consider the double standard that exists in the settingeven if it doesent make a single fucking bit of sense and they should just bite the bullet and either make the mutants loved or part of a difrent universe
>>84313841
Let the children of the future show us the way.
>>84317166sublime
>>84316830
I can see where your coming from but he is right in this case
>>84317166
all signs point to Death of X resulting in mutants getting exiled/fleeing to a different universe
>>84317245
Thank fuck for that I know there probably just doing it because there hacks but x-men storys will be better for it
>>84317274
assuming there even are x-men stories and they're not just put on the bus until Marvel gets the cinematic rights back
>>84315314
He did it for his kind because people like him were being terrorized everyday who's tired being discriminated so he did things that might seem bad but he wants mutants to be recognized as what they are stronger beings and they shouldn't be treated so bad as they are in comics
>>84317166
Fuckwit, do we really have to explain this to one of you morons every damned time?
It's BIGOTRY, that's the problem, and the whole basis of bigotry is hypocrisy. Bald faced hypocrisy.
It wouldn't matter if Captain America could defeat Magneto with one shieldthrow, the issue is that there IS a double-standard.
That's what's driving Magneto's entire argument that it doesn't matter if you take up the role of villian in order to save your kind because THEY'LL HATE MUTANTS ANYWAY.
That's why Xavier's group of superheroes still has giant robots being built to kill them and the Avengers don't.
Scott Summers, he was maleable, adaptable.
>>84313841
And here's another asshat's argument that we need to discuss...
>>84317495
No no no, don't bring Remender's Alex "race traitor" Summers into this thread.
>>84314387
>they can destroy entire cities, sometimes on just their own or do something incredibly inhuman
>incredibly inhuman
Too soon.
>>84317495
I don't see why this is so stupid, how is he functionally so different from Spider-Man or Captain America?
>>84317530
He still has an opinion about how mutants can achieve peaceful coexistence with humankind.
Isn't it even worth discrediting?
>>84313841
Who the fuck cares? Its not like Mutants are some subpopulation relegated to a landlocked region or island. They show up randomly among normal people's kids, which means a future of mostly or entirely mutant kind is unavoidable.
>>84313841
Wasp.
Her entire plan in Uncanny Avengers was to make mutants more popular by being more trendy.
After the whole X-Men vs Avengers, mutant popularity was at an all time low and so Wasp decided to have people want to be mutants, rather than fear them. Kinda like Captain America, hes not a normal human with the serum in his veins, but people live him because of his image is America.
Look at it from a Marvel citizen perspective:
Magneto is a terrorist that has threatened the world hundreds of times. All sympathy he had for being a Holocaust survivor was thrown out the window when he tried to put New Yorkers in a literal concentration camp.
Xavier is a old man that likes to surround himself with children and weaponizes them to push his agenda. How many children have died under his care? Also he is one of the strongest psychics on the planet.
Both wanted to show Mutant pride and awareness through force of actions, usually violence. You rarely see mutants protesting mutant rights/equality.
Wasp's idea was to use the media as a way to intergrate mutants into modern society and condition the youth (trendy teens) into thinking mutants are pretty cool. Kinda like Steven Universe, The Legend of Korra, and comic books that began promoting gay characters only a couple of years before gay marriage was allowed in all 50 states.
Xavier. He even admits he's wrong in Alpha:
"To think that I, too, once believed in mutant rule... It was a fleeting notion spurred by the arrogance of youth... and quelled by the spirit of a long-dead friend."
>>84317702
Why would anyone want to be a mutant when they can be an Inhuman?
>>84316830
The difference is:
Captain America is a hero genuinely and selflessly fighting for everyone's well-being (and definitely not a murderer).
Magneto is a mass murderer (and a very hypocrite one) that is trying to point the finger at Red Skull for being a mass murderer.
Red Skull is just pointing out Magneto's hypocritical bullshit
>>84317683
>Who the fuck cares?
As I post this, there are 40 separate IPs ITT, so 39 people care, and that's only counting who's here right now.
>>84316559
>Hitler turned Magneto into Hitler, and anyone oppressed under him would also become Hitler.
>Magneto is going to create a race of Hitlers
That would be hilarious.
>>84313841
Hope says that we're all just people...
>>84317932
Hope is an idiot, they literally have gifts.
If we could all agree to-
AAAHHHHHHRRRRRRGGGGGGGG
>>84318068
MY BRAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
>>84317961
Some of them are worse off even without the prejudice, Rogue without control for example. Mostly it is gifts though, and I'm not sure if there's even an explained phenomenon where they feel like they have to use their powers and that it's part of them, otherwise they can just not use them and still lead satisfying lives until humans become capable of detecting them.
>>84318039
Careful with that edge, son.
>>84318108
>Some of them are worse off even without the prejudice
Yep, some gifts are crappy.
Neither.
Xavier wanted a peaceful integration that would never happen. If it did, the series would end.
Magneto was a full on overly militant supremacist early on, and was actively provoking a race war. The periods where he cooled off and was more a isolationist/segregationalist were a much better deal.
Cyclops attempted to go the segregated but allied route. Unfortunately he was the right man at the wrong time. By the time Scott took charge, too much damage had been done.
A separate mutant society, be it Genosha, Asteroid M, Utopia, or Nation X, is the best course of action. However, mutantkind can't afford to go antagonizing humanity, and vice versa. World governments simply have to agree to give their mutants to the Mutant Nation. Its quite possible that between Cerebro or biological telepathy, and teleporting mutants, that mutants could be found before violent manifestations.
If Scott is worse than Hitler why doesn't Magneto kill him? Isn't he jewish?
>>84318292
What's Magneto's stance on Israel, anyway?
>>84318178
If you want to get nitpicky then a gift has to be a given by someone. And that's only true in some versions? I don't recall, but I don't think it's the only origin story.
>>84318591
>If you want to get nitpicky
No, I don't. I want to make stand alone statements and not have tedious replies that pretend to be insightful.
>>84317961
Some of them are very much worse off look at the toad guy
>>84318629
>>84318178
>Yep, some gifts are crappy.
>>84317426
>Scott Summers: malleable
Not really. More like desperate.
Think about it, he starts out brainwashed (>>84314344 ) and so much so that in a classic battle with Quicksilver, he can't even listen to reasoning that he agrees with. So not really a true believer until GodLovesManKills.
Then he quits the team to live as an incognito mutant with Maddie in Alaska, the in-the-closet mutant option.
Then returns for yadda-yadda, until Wanda's "No more mutants", at which point he advocates isolationist militant survivalism to keep the species alive.
Then comes the Phoenix Five and he sees an opportunity for mutants to be seen as the world's benefactors, ushering in a new age of world peace and prosperity and whatever.
That goes south in a bad way and then he embraces his new villian identity and Magneto's tactics of threatening human-kind for any mutant justice he can get.
And let's not forget the "we're all peaceful mutants here" million mutant march on Washington, that he manages to dispell his past terrorist threat against humanity with(?!)
And then (presumably) he takes to outright WAR on Inhumans over them poisoning the very air of Earth against mutantkind.
(he lost that war and those Inhumans aren't going to do jack about those deathclouds)
Not one of these were philisophical choices made with deliberation, every one of them were pragmatic moves to meet that (living)mutant/human coexistence goal through any possible means.
>>84317961
Come on, can't we give Hope a chance?
>>84318621
>I want to make stand alone statements
You stated that some gifts are crappy to argue against the notion that some of the powers weren't gifts because they were negative, taking advantage of the fact that they're called gifts instead of "powers that positively influence the user's life" or something. In the context these should not be considered gifts, and going back to the definition of gift means you are open to someone else doing that in return.
>>84319031
>to argue
Nope.
>>84319051
He said some powers weren't gifts because were are bad. You said some gifts are crappy, implicitly saying that those powers are still gifts. You argued his statement. Even ignoring whether it's an argument, you nitpicked by taking "gifts" more literally.
>>84319199
Having fun recapping?
>>84315437
This is the best answer.
Neither was more right. Magneto was more authoritarian and Xavier was more democratic (?), but both set strong examples for younger generations and both truly cared for their followers. Both good people ultimately. Magneto has the capacity to be a huge dick though.
>>84314449
Damn that is a great page in a run I otherwise didn't like that much.
as presented to the audience in the real world, Xavier, since X-Men is allegory
the the context of the Marvel Universe in which the characters live in 100% Magneto.
After 30 some odd years of trying relentlessly to show the world they have nothing to fear, only to have them strike at you at every given opportunity, I would be right beside Magneto taking what I want by force. I have a limit and I would have reached it if I were a mutant.
>>84315437
>>84320914
I'm not so sure. In terms of principle, Xavier is better, but he's unrealistic. Ever try to watch over a group of hormonal teenagers and keep them in line? Look at an average high school class.
Now give them all superpowers and make them feel even more isolated. Michael Brown that can breath fire. 'Mean Girls' with mind reading. Xavier would have to be held accountable for the kids who lost their temper and burned down a McDonalds when they couldn't get breakfast at 2:00 pm.
Give them an island to themselves until they can act like normal members of society. Greenland or something.
>>84318231
Saw this after writing.
>>84317274
>but x-men storys will be better for it
I wish your face was in spitting distance.
Some of the best stories of Claremonts's heyday was when they were interacting with the rest of the universe and you think rendering such stories impossible would be better for them. Christ.
>>84317610
>The word 'Mutant' is *Divisive*
Alex, you can level buildings. Most people cannot do that
>We are all *Humans*. Of one tribe.
Seriously, Alex, your situation is a little bit different. If Ike looses his temper, he beats his wife. If you loose your temper, you become a mass murder.
>We are defined by our *Choices*
I feel like you're not even listening to me. People have to have permits for guns, and you're like 100X more deadly than that.
.
Xavier in the real world...possibly Magneto in universe and both clearly meant well.
>>84313841
Can we just agree that maaaaaybe teenagers that can blow up buildings need to be kept away from society?
I mean, if Scott here trips, death count's going to be at least double digits.
>>84317723
I just want to be an Asgardian.
>>84320914
>>84321031
>>84321234
Yeah, that sounds right, now.
But the world has changed since the X-Men first showed up, and the comics world and the Marvel universe (616) has changed even more.
In real-life it's obvious today how effective positive minority examples and role-models can be, but there's still vicious hatred posted on /co/ every night. The problem IRL wasn't solved (past-tense) by Xavier's methods.
And Magneto's tactics (in Marvel U) seem sane today but they were textbook villiany when he first monologued.
Magneto used to plot world domination from his evil space station and create mutates with mad science.
GOOD superheroes showed up to conquer EVIL supervillians, the complexity of realities about politics and public image and Maria Hill's overpolicing didn't exist in 1960's comicbooks.
The whole industry back then didn't have any subtle political messages in comics, it was all black and white morality, things have really changed if Magneto's a superhero.
>>84321250
This post is just horrible trans-descrimination.
>>84317932
that's fucking stupid.
She is doing the same she accuses of them. She just differs between "people who sees difference between people and people who don't" which in itself is looking for a difference in people.
>>84318374
Worked there
Magneto was right in that mutants need to defend themselves, seeing as how many mutant genocides have happened over the years.
>>84321623
Don't be deliberately idiotic, /co/ has enough of the unintentional variety as is.
She's describing a technique of bigotry called "othering", that's when you justify somehow that someone doesn't deserve to be treated as you would wish yourself treated, by virtue of the notion that they aren't enough like you to empathize with.
It is a diliberate ACTION, not a question of one's existence.
Xavier is right but the need for drama has ensured that people will continue to try and kill them.
This was easier when mutants weren't some X-gene bullshit but the result of parents being exposed to radiation.
>>84321666
But "Omen"-anon, militarization of mutants is the perfect justification to built Sentinels! (in "self-defense")
Magneto. Xavier tries, but after the thousandth ungrateful saved human I think it's safe to say his mission is pretty futile. He and his are just martyrs fighting to die for people that hate them.
>>84316748
Politician or terrorist is the oldest discussion in the game.
>>84321715
It's not meant to be easy.
Do you really think that if they hadn't changed it to a genetic origin that >>84321250 wouldn't be saying how rational it is to ostracize a radioactive child? And how mutants as a people are just a desease that needs to be "cured" ?
It's still a population of people deemed to be a problem.
It's still justifying why different rules should exist for people who are different from you or I.
It's still the same "problem population" issue.
>>84317389
Yes the hypocrisy is part of the point but it still breaks suspension of disbelief
>>84322125
I assure you that bigotry is not based on rational thinking, no matter what universe you live in.
>>84321753
JUST like Blacks and Gays.
>>84314387
Doesn't the Red Skull still have Professor X's brain?
>>84316830
He actually was insightful even if he did say that to save his skin.
Otherwise wouldn't this make sense and Magneto has a counter argument.
>>84317389
Part of the problem is that there's rarely any proper delving into WHY the mutants are hated.
Bigotry in the real world happens because of specific historical factors combined with the human fear of the Other. Blacks in America are looked down upon because the economic benefits of slavery led the South to push a narrative of Blacks being subhuman in such a way that made slavery defensible. Homophobia, likewise, is largely the product of Abrahamic religious dominance in the wake of imperialism.
With Mutants, it basically boils down to "people hate us because we're different". And considering the wide, wide variety of freaks and weirdos in the Marvel Universe, it's weird that this one specific group of weirdos is getting singled out for the bigotry stick. Hell, considering that homosexuality was accepted and even lauded in many cultures, and dudes fucking dudes doesn't come with phenomenal cosmic powers that could potentially stop an invading army or save a village from starvation, there's no reason why being born a mutant should be seen as a curse rather than a blessing.
>>84320985
So, you've not read any of the 60s issues where Charles mindwipes anything that opposes him or could be a threat to him at the end of the issue. Or the issue somewhere in the middle of the Phoenix Saga where it's a flashback to his "repressed dark urges" fucking shit up for the new team.
Nah, Xavier is just as capable of being a dick as Magneto. And that doesn't even count more modern takes where writers drag him through the mud and make him sketchy as hell for dramatic effect.
Good intent on both men's parts at times, but I just had to point out that they're both dicks at other times. Neither one is presented as some kind of holy figure to the readers. Just that some followers of either one may look at them that way.
>>84322925
most people in marvel who get powers don't obtain them until they're already adults. teenagers getting powers was very rare.
enter the mutants, who usually get them at puberty,
teenagers with potentially lethal powers going to highschool with your kids? it's like finding out your little billy and jane have been sitting next to a kid that brings a machinegun to school every day. a machinegun that might start going off on its own just because some mutie kid got pantsed during dodgeball. and you can't take that machinegun away because it's attached to their forearms and invisible.
then came the tabloids yakking on about how mutants will take over the world and enslave the puny homo sapiens
and the unspoken thought in everybody's head was 'if all the mutants currently alive died, that will ensure I never have a mutie baby'
leave saving the world to the avengers and the fantastic four, they have powers but they're humans with powers, not some changeling freaks that cause healthy babies to be replaced by ticking highschool massacre timebombs
>>84317723
>>84321332
I want to be black.
>>84316559
>>84317885
It's Hitlers all the way down.
>>84313841
Early on, Charles. It's better in the long run to not seek war when mutants are few and weak. Later, Eric. Mutants became numerous and powerful, the most powerful character in Marvel was a mutant, they could have taken over the Earth or just found a new planet. In fact, why didn't they find a new planet? With their power they could have terraformed Mars easily.
>>84313841
Magneto did. Honestly, we should have gotten rid of you flatscans decades ago.
Here's a question, would people really still hate mutants as much as they still do in the comics, or is that just bad writing?
>>84323299
>In fact, why didn't they find a new planet? With their power they could have terraformed Mars easily.
Yeah but what about the future generations of mutants they'd be abandoning if they did that. Or the future generation of humans that'd be born among the martian Mutants?
>>84323368
You know how there are people who believe all 1.6 billion muslims are in it together to assfuck us all?
Yeah, you'd be trying to convince these guys the same thing, but of people that can make shit explode with their mind and walk through walls.
>>84323408
But mutants are predominantly white Americans, their gifts are God's blessing to kill the people who don't eat burgers.
>>84323408
>le #NotAllMuslims meme
Why don't they hold mutie pride parades? Make films about mutie love? Complain on twitter all the time about people being misomutist?
In 20 years nobody would dare say anything about them.
>>84323519
See what I mean?
>>84316830
>No Magneto is not a Nazi
But he is a race Elitist similar to a what the bullshit the Nazi push about white superior. Just in this case it's mutant superior and just in its own way is also a terrible thing. They always miss or never really get this across in good way. That superior abilities do not make superior people. Being a person who uses your abilities to uplift all humanity makes you a superior/better person. And you must treat all as your brothers/sisters not just other mutants. And they should find a way to turn off the x-gene in those who don't want it and keep it on in those that do.
>>84323525
>Why don't they hold mutie pride parades? They'd get assaulted by Purifiers, FoH, CoH, Project Wide Awake, Sentinels and depending on the size of this Million Mutie March, all of these organizations all at once.
Make films about mutie love?
Dazzler sort of did. Unfortunately her biopic became the property of an asshole and she destroyed it instead of selling her soul to Hollywood.
>Complain on twitter all the time about people being misomutist?
That'd just make matters worse.
>>84321250
Nah Scott has meticulously trained himself so that wouldn't happen.
All the panic over these people has made it more likely these people can't get the teaching they need to truly utilize their abilities.
Besides you let the Avengers have a fucking Mansion in the middle of Central Park.
>>84323408
Well not all TOGETHER.
>>84316830
>le /pol/ boogeyman
>people who have different opinions from me are nazis, guys
This is why /co/ is associated with tumblr almost everywhere on the site.
>>84317932
Why is Oracle out of a wheelchair and why is Luthor taking her crap?
Magneto is wrong.
He inherently believes that might makes right.
He feels this way because his people (jewish) were hunted by powerful people, so not merely for revenge, he has adopted this thinking and turned it around by saying his people (mutants) should be above those who think themselves in power within humanity. But while claiming the Jewish identity, he does not fight for them since he now sees as them the Nazi saw them, inferior because they are merely human.
Now why this is wrong. His philosophy only works because he is a particularly powerful mutant. If he had been born with Shadowcat's powers he would not be as effective in demonstrating this way of thinking.
But there are those more powerful than him, who have other visions and do not care for a brotherhood of mutantkind. If Magneto gets his way, might makes right will lead to extinction for humans and mutants.
Xavier wanted cohabitation. He even stressed that mutants were also human, just an offshoot and they shouldn't think themselves as separate.
You could say he was idealistic and unrealistic, but the pursuit of lofty ideals, even if they are not met, invariably leads to improvement, the mere attempt is beneficial.
Magneto's way is destructive. The philosophy of applied to its ultimate end would result in the most powerful individual surviving alone. Apocalypse is why Magneto is wrong.
Xavier is the appeaser of the worst kind. He wants to police his kindred so people who would never accept them accept them. Protip: They won't. Nobody never's going to accept armed people if they themselves are disarmed, except then armed people hold authority over them.
>>84325509
Most mutations are not weapons.
>>84325550
Well, I guess if you are, like an ugly freak leaking smelly slime, tough shit. But when humans talk about mutants they aren't concerned for those.
By virtue of narrative causality, we see weaponized mutations most of the time anyway and all the debate is sparkled by those.
>>84325592
True a very vocal and high profile minority might be ruining efforts for true equality.
Thank god these are just comics.
>>84313841
In reality a middle ground would be the best way.
Magneto is wrong because his social Darwinism will fuck everyone over eventually, and he's actively inciting conflict. Charles is wrong because, while coming in peace is a good idea, sometimes you have to smack someone's shit up for messing with you. RL mutants would have, and would be totally justified to have, eliminated all the religious cults and etc serving as breeding grounds for mutant haters.
Basically, Cyclops was right.
The point is that both plans depend upon the entirety of the mutant race rallying behind it. Eric's plan would only succeed if he could conscript all mutants into lording over mankind over without any internal opposition, and Chuck's plan depends upon the entirety of mutants acting as amicable as possible towards humans without any bad apples. The existence of factions disqualifies either of the plans, which means they're both unrealistic and as such equally bullshit.
>>84325669
No, you don't get it. If you are just deformed, you won't get equality either way.
If you are powerful, you inspire fear. People won't tolerate fear from anyone but their masters. From masters fear inspires obedience and reverence. From anyone else hatred.
The only way mutants with actual powers can be accepted is if they demote everyone else to second class. As far as the deformed go, well, they are fucked. Nobody will like them, such is life.
>>84325550
Virtually all of them can be weaponized.
>>84313841
Charles. The only problem is that the american government keeps hiring crazy bastards and they have no way of holding these fuckers to account.
No wonder they hate the avengers
>>84325709
Most mutants aren't deformed either.
It's not insanely powerful or useless freak .
There are other variations and most mutants are just useless human looking people.
>>84325784
Fingers can be weaponized but they are the same as being born with razor sharp claws.
>>84326228
*aren't.
>>84326228
Telepathy or immersing yourself into walls can be weaponized easier than fingers.
>>84326228
Imagine if you were the only one with fingers. You can pull triggers on guns. You can press buttons. You can poke people in the eyes. You are fucking god among men.
Fingers are baseline. Superpowers are building up on this baseline.
>>84326252
>>84326314
And most don't have anything like that.
There were millions before, unnoticed, which means they looked normal and weren't flashy.
It's just a minority of mutants that are useful in a fight, or no one would worry about them.
Magneto when he became about fuck the world and just live on their own.
Should have teamed with doom about getting that counter earth or something.
>>84313841
Xavior. If mutants really are the next stage in human evolution, then the extinction of the human race is inevitable. All they need to do is wait, and protect mutants untill the time when humans stops fighting them.
Magneto's war was pointless,
>>84323112
Bendis pls
>>84325784
Behold: Choir!
A girl with the ability to talk a lot, and give like, eight blowjobs at once!
A fine example of Homo Sapiens Superior!
>>84325701
>I Like Cyke
>>84313841
Professor X is the liberal strawman that Marvel wants you to think is right.
Magneto is right from a logical standpoint.
You all think Marvel's shoving their agendas down our throats now? The made the logical conservative their greatest villain for a while.
>>84330786
Magneto is a fascist that would complain how his people were treated and do the same to others for the same reason.
He is hardly a conservative.
He is the feminazi that would put men in the same position women were a century ago because even though no men from that era live now "all men deserve it, for simply being men".
The irrational, hypocritical and imbalanced approach to justice sjws love.
The ultimate end to his philosophy is mutual extinction.
>>84315314
tell that to the people who nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the bombers who reduced German cities to ash. The ends are capable of justifying the means.
Would Apocolypse have risen if mutants took a ruling role over earth like Magneto wanted. Like could Apocolypse rise in House of M? Would the celestials have even bothered with him if "evolution was on the right track"?
>>84316368
Please explain
>>84313841
>people actually arguing for Magneto
Step aside, ACTUAL ''ends justify the means'' character coming through.
>>84314499
Interesting as a child i idolized charleas a man i realized that both xavier and magnetos philosopies together.
Live in peace take no shit from anyone
