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What was Hussies biggest mistake and why was it Dave forgoing pounding Jade's delicious brown snatch?
>>84129439
>Homebuck
Let's hope people can actually find this thread
Congrats, now people doing ctrl + F Will never find this thread
>>84129439
>Homebuck is a story in a alternate timeline where hussie explained everything and it became the best comic ever. ACT 7 won a nobel peace prize. everyone is gay now
>>84129439
>brown
?
>>84129482
Good.
Do you want shitposters crawling in?
>>84129128
You have to stop thinking of them as 'offscreen retcons' and see them more as 'Time-travel with some extra allowances.'
Didn't we see Dave time travel for weeks around his kids session? Wait we also didn't, there was so much time travel done offscreen, and yet it it's still accepted.
It's equally acceptable that even Doomed-Timeline Dave's did a lot of time travel.
Why is so hard to swallow that John's Time Travel steps could've happened off screen or in another timeline? Especially when we see a John suddenly popping up in Caliborn's land, despite the lead-up being completely off screen.
John doesn't erase or replace other timelines.
All you need to understand about the way 'retcons' work is it allows him to jump between different timelines and make his count for him.
For instance he didn't affect the furthest ring at all. Both the pre and post-retcon Meteor journey happened in Paradox space independently of one another even before we saw the second instance. But John changed the events in the Troll Sburb session so that the latter would become of importance to the reader and that John. The other one either became, or always 'was' a Doomed timeline.
>>84129664
>he didn't affect the furthest ring at all.
then explain Dave and Rose, who were retconned while they were in the furthest ring
>>84129439
For fuck's sake I put "Homestuck" in my filter for a reason and it's not so that it'd get circumvented by silly wacky misspellings.
>>84129891
dont forgot homosuck and hamsteak
>>84129891
whyd you open the thread? just add homebuck to your filter and get on with your life, no need to tell everyone.
>>84129853
I just explained it. Both pre-retcon and post-retcon meteor trips happened independently of each other, neither was replaced or removed by John's actions. However affecting the Troll session made the latter prominent in John's journey so it could lead up to the point where John zaps back into his canon reality.
It's just your perception of the term 'Retcon' which is causing the confusion.
>>84129955
>Both pre-retcon and post-retcon meteor trips happened independently of each other,
And both trips had a Dave and a Rose. So where did the second pair of Dave and Rose come from?
>>84129976
A sburb session, obviously?
Abit a session in a different timeline started from a different timeline Earth.
Paradox, unlike Skaia houses the infinite potential of reality, but doesn't have the ability to separate them into their neat little lines apart and distinct from each other.
That's why when traveling beyond the furthest ring, you can meet your past or future self by accident without intending to.
the green sun must be affected by retcons just like stuff in sessions. so there is one green sun that was always there but its removed by the retcon to make space for another green sun that was always there. homestuck ladies n gents
>>84129953
probably to get people to stop coming up with homestuck corruptions so he doesn't have to keep adding things to his filter
these threads shouldn't even exist anymore
>>84130028
So Dave and Rose were duplicated from within an SBURB session. Which means they made separate journeys to the furthest ring (like the meteor), and made two different Green Suns?
>>84130060
No there's only one green sun nitwit.
Retcons are just glorified time travel, they don't affect paradox space at all except from the vantage of the user of them.
>>84130077
well they do, and theyve stayed mostly on topic for the last two and a half months as well as had a lot of new oc so they deserve to stick around as long as thats true
>>84129439
>>84129519
Do Homestuck characters even have a race?
>>84130103
Yes and No, it's likely made separate journeys with the same result, abit without creating separate suns.
This is where it'll get really confusing, the Green sun doesn't have a true origin point, as in a beginning or an end. So it's, within the realm of Paradox Space capable of being created in two instances despite their only being one singular instance of it. It has the same omniscient time-excluding properties of the 'Void' but with a physical presence.
>>84130121
go and think about the implications of the other rules that appear to apply to retcons again and youll see that working out whether there are two green suns or not is a legitimate consideration.
>>84130150
They're canon Íæûë€Å
>>84130077
>Its that guy who visits threads just to complain about them existing
>tfw still no new CANWC
>>84130150
Yes they're all black or have vitiligo and are muscular.
>>84130150
They're aracial. Hussie pretends that means they are Schrödinger's omnirace, but in reality trying to give them any race at all is the noncanonical thing.
>'retcons arent glitchy' - some guy
>retcons add like 99 plot holes and imply two green suns
sure sounds fuckin glitchy to me. sounds like they broke the fucking story.
>why was it Dave forgoing pounding Jade's delicious brown snatch?
There's still the epilogue
>>84130190
I don't think there can be two green suns, since it's a carte blank against the timeline keeping as a whole. It's like there being two "Voids", there's only one void, and yet paradoxically an infinite amount of it.
In the same essence there's an infinite number of Green Suns and yet only One. So rather than being two, or ten or a billion, the possibility just reaches infinity, until the Green Sun is absolute. Alternatively, Dave and Rose split off from the moment their bombs go off and they leave the Meteor Journey endless amounts of times but without the timelines as neatly kept.
>>84130168
Your theory doesn't make any sense. We see BOTH the Green Sun's origin and its end.
Face it, the simplest explanation is that John's retcons affect the furthest ring. Only the dream bubbles are unaffected.
Guys, let's be honest here. The ending isn't that bad and you would have been disappointed no matter what we got regardless of quality
>>84130150
They're ajjliums just like superman or goku
>>84130252
>very first page of the epilogue confirms davejade
>website explodes
>reddit goes ballistic
>tipsy commits suicide
>MSPAF comes back
>homestuck readership numbers go back to the millions
>hussie releases hiveswap and it's actually good
>shelby starts only charging ten dollars for drawings
>you wake up from this dream
>>84130150
https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/1978840
>>84130261
why would the green sun count as part of the furthest ring? its as much its own special area as any sburb session. retcons could affect the green sun just fine while not affecting the rest of the furthest ring.
>>84130322
Why not apply the same logic to the dream bubbles?
>>84130276
It's really bad though.
>>84130276
Fucking reddit can't even defend it.
>>84130150
They're any race. Except black. Which is very racist of Hussie.
>>84130261
>We see BOTH the Green Sun's origin and its end.
Yes, this is the paradox of the Green sun and it's significance. Paradoxes don't make sense. It has an origin and destruction, and yet 'always was', somehow as the story makes clear.
My Over-Theory that I posted last thread, was that this paradox was breached and ripped even further by the fact that,
1)In the new Retconned reality John creates, Calliope rips apart the sun giving it an ending point
2)The Sun itself will be destroyed within the cycle of universes so this time Doc Scratch and Bec doesn't have an power source thus LE doesn't have an entry point
The paradox created here, is that the GS has a destruction, a clear end point but no origin or creation in this new reality. It has like a negative existence.
A paradox so powerful, that it was able to weaken LE at the precise moment the Juju was used. Whereas usually paradoxes manifest in doomed timelines, this one was significant enough that it depowered him completely.
>>84130210
he's working on a flash
you think dave basically just turned prison gay?
>>84130276
The ending tied up no ends, and didn't even feature anything from Huss, neither art nor words.
>>84130276
Small reminder that Hussie stated he really liked the ending of LOST.
>>84130322
I think it both counts as part of the furthest ring, but has it's own temporal/spacial properties within it's domain as well just like the VOID.
>>84130249
>bad writing is a glitch
no wait
it kind of is
fuck
>>84130276
The ending sucked
>>84130389
So soon after the last one?
>>84130322
That doesn't solve the Dave/Rose problem anyway. The retcon timeline, the timeline including Vriska, starts before the meteor reaches the Green Sun. Dave and Rose originally boarded the meteor without Vriska. A retcon at the Green Sun's locality would just result in another meteor with Dave and Rose but not Vriska.
>>84130388
Oh! And
3)In the new reality neither universe was destroyed making LE's existence all together completely negated, thus the 8's. He became an unperson in one section of paradox space
Of course because of his immortality and indestructibility he wasn't erased, but it opened up a weakness, a glitch for others to exploit.
>>84130077
>these threads shouldn't even exist anymore
If they shouldn't exist then mods would delete them. But they always stay up so clearly you're in the wrong here.
>>84130465
well how is dad gonna ascend otherwise????
>>84130404
Well you know once Jade came back he instantly started acting less gay, so probably
>>84130404
I think he became "My Daddy/Brother abused me and raped my ass with gay puppets for 12 years so I went homo" gay.
>>84130388
>Paradoxes don't make sense.
if this is the basis for your theory you could use it to justify literally anything
everything is provable in a system of logic that accepts contradictory axioms
>>84130276
I don't give a damn about the ending. I'm angry about nearly the full second half of the comic completely sidelining most of the protagonists and the wondrous sense of ridiculous video game adventure in favor of ever-increasing amounts of teen drama and inanity.
I mostly enjoyed the ending for what it was, since I'd long since given up.
>>84130500
Dave and Jade's gentle lovemaking because dave is afraid of going more hardcore
>>84130500
You can't rape someone into a particular sexuality.
>>84130150
They have been Caucasian since the beginning, but then Tumblr got mad so Hussie backpedaled in order to pander to them.
Somebody post the pic of all the logs where the kids are referred to as pink/white by the trolls on multiple occasions.
>>84130471
>starts before the meteor reaches the Green Sun
>before
Timelines don't exist in the Furthest Ring.
There is no 'before/after'.
Retcon timeline Rose/Dave exist in the same span of narrative space Pre-retcon do, even before they were introduced to us.
>A retcon at the Green Sun's locality
This isn't possible because there's no time, space, or agency within the furthest ring itself, outside it being localized to the players. Any retcons have to be done within a sburb session or things would go haywire and get really weird.
Is it possible Hussie just didn't think the retcons through?
>>84130542
Not specifically, and not all at once
But it does still affect your development
I'm not one of those people who believes "Your sex is determined hardcore at babbydom"
>>84130561
Pretty much this.
>>84130549
Try to keep up. I was responding to the question "what if the Green Sun itself is like a session?"
Anyway, retcons affect the furthest ring. It's the only way to explain how Dave and Rose, who created the only Green Sun in existence, were duplicated.
>>84130542
People who get molested by their parents are more likely to like incest porn.
>>84130594
Bullshit
>>84130561
yeah. im tied 100% to the idea that the juju is the comic and the retcons are metafictional and ill unironically ignore small things that dont fit with that because too much does, and the theory ties together too many themes and explains caliborns character and the nature of lord english as the demiurge too well. if something doesnt fit, its just a fucking plot hole in my eyes.
its like how i dont try and do mental gymnastics about how time must apply differently to help someone turn the frog switch. no, its a plot hole. ive accepted it.
>>84130561
yes
List of other things he didn't think through:
-The trolls living and being major characters past act 5
-Adding more trolls in act 6
-Reviving both serkets
-The Game Over session
-Time management
-The kickstarter/its timing
-commissioning the ending animation 4 years before finishing the comic which had already become extremely volatile
there are too many to list
>>84130547
He should've just made it into a joke about how are all the characters are literally white like paper
>>84130627
Nope.
>>84130561
That's also a possibility, but it's way less fun to just say that than it is try to figure out the logical trajectory behind them.
>>84130588
Sorry, I didn't read who you were replying to.
And they do but they don't. It's important to differentiate how differing time works in Sessions as opposed to the 'All-At-Once' nature of the furthest ring, so anything out there was already accounted for. They've retconned and 'affected' it before we're aware of it or the changes being natured in.
So you could say the retcons affect the furthest ring..paradoxically. They only offer a tautological repetition, not a real change.
>>84130690
>-Adding more trolls in act 6
C'mon they show up for like 3 whole flash pages. He could've done worse with that.They're like the equivalent of Bleach's Vizards.
>>84130699
then the characters could never be black and then we're right back in square one with tumblr screaming and kicking while going "muh diversity tho"
>>84130679
>ill unironically ignore small things that dont fit with that because too much does
homestuck is a puzzle anon
if you can only come up with answers that create contradictions then you're just not smart enough
there's no chance that Hussie stopped giving a shit and didn't verify his own logic
>>84130679
The problem there is that it doesn't really explain some things, like the implication of what Caliborn's Juju did to the Beta Kids.
What, did they retroactively become the protagonists of the story? Because it's too fucking late for Jade.
>>84130627
Maybe, but did you know that poor people prefer large breasts, while rich people prefer smaller breasts?
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0057623
>>84130712
>They've retconned and 'affected' it before we're aware of it or the changes being natured in. So you could say the retcons affect the furthest ring..paradoxically. They only offer a tautological repetition, not a real change.
Walk me through it. Explain it to me like I'm five. How did both meteors have a Dave and a Rose, each with the experience of creating the Green Sun, without retconning the creation of the Green Sun itself? One Dave and Rose met Vriska immediately after creating the Green Sun. The other Dave and Rose did not.
>>84130732
>aranea and meenah don't count
>>84130252
Doubt he'll confirm any ships now, he's too much of a pussy to do it.
>>84130679
>if something doesnt fit, its just a fucking plot hole in my eyes.
The nature of the Juju and retcons are a literal plot intended in
See:http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=007978
>Wait, shouldn't Casey have reached adulthood in that timeframe, or at least gotten somewhat bigger? You seem to recall from earlier somewhere that salamanders have short lifespans, and grow up quickly. Oh well, you decide to graciously disregard the one and only plothole in this elaborate tale. In fact you think you will use your dark sorcery to make it - POOF - disappear! Ha ha, what problem?
See Hussies older Problem Sleuth Donation pages to understand this better.
Rose isn't 100% lesbian, right? RIGHT?
>>84130524
>>84130429
>>84130412
>>84130375
>>84130355
>responding to stale pasta
>>84130855
He's so fucking stupid it hurts. Giving nobody ANYTHING because giving one person something makes the rest feel bad is not a correct solution. They all feel bad because they got nothing! If I was a teacher I would mark Act 7's soccerfield epilogue scene wrong with a big red X and write "see me after class" on it.
>>84130775
i think theyre probably sposed to be the gnostic 'divine spark'. the little part of gods true world that is trapped in certain people within the demiurges false reality. setting the divine spark free is the basic goal of gnostic teachings, its how we end the shit world and go back to the real one.
>>84130561
Entirely possible. I'm sure that a fair part of the problem was Hussie simply wanting to be done so he can move on to finishing the nightmare of Hiveswap, and then other projects. He's very obviously burnt out on Homestuck, undoubtedly thanks in no small part to the Kickstarter turning Homestuck from a fun creative outlet into a grueling legal nightmare.
>>84130297
>homestuck readership numbers go back to the millions
>wanting the mouthbreathers to come back
>>84130887
Right.
>>84130887
She isn't a lesbian at all. She just goes for the person with the largest phallic...thing between their legs.
>>84130887
She will only have heterosexual relations while in grimdark mode.
>>84130887
she pegs Kocknaya so yes 100% lesbian
>>84130923
If I was a teacher I would politely ask Hussie to leave the class and pass on to the relevant authorities that a strange man has been hanging around the school
>>84130956
That seems like a bad argument.
Alright anons, against my better judgment should I give it read? What am I in for?
>>84131039
Stop after act 5 and pretend they all died. Trust me.
>>84130826
Okay dokay
Paradox is a magical space land where things don't make sense
In the center is a huge lime flavored snowcone! It's super-big
In this magical land things made can be remade for fun!
It doesn't make 2 things, since that thing is magical too
In fact there could be like infinity Snowcones made and there'd only be one snowcone, this really doesn't make much sense but it's magic remember?
Try to think of a magical time when it was snowing squirt. There was lots of snowy fields and white blankets, brrr! Lots of snow flakes fell... but even if a bajillion fell there was still only ONE snowy blanket!!!
How does that happen? It's just part of the magical nature of snow!
And in this magical land there are so many other yous! You might not meet them... even if they're right where you are!
This is confusing but the place is magic and doesn't make sense! A you can arrive after you leave and still stand where you are but before you even got there , you just have to accept it, like Santa claus! Cause we know he can visit every Chimney in the world right?
So when or who visits this magical land and adds more limey flashy bomby things to the Snowcone doesn't matter- it'll still be one pretty one for you to look at. Shouldn't there be more? Remember the snow field thingy, an infinite number of snowflakes still only makes on pretty white blanket.
>>84131039
red herrings, plot holes, and anticlimax
>>84130887
Rose is gayer than a pride parade made out of all Australians passing under a rainbow and getting shot at by muslims in front of an HIV research lab.
>>84130938
Better than the straggler fujoshits we're stuck with now who think Hussie can do no wrong and Davekat made the Supreme Court legalize gay marriage
>>84130887
She loves Kanaya and shows no interest in men so yes I'd say she meets the classification of a lesbian.
>Inb4 hurr durr she wanted Dave's Dick
>>84131039
something unlike anything else youve read. fucking excellent music. Loads Of Laughs. Loads Of bad decisions. some absolute genius. its definitely worth reading.
>>84130956
kanaya is a 2pumpchump
>>84131193
Hm? That isn't Rose speaking or anything
>>84131099
so what you're saying is that it's a plot hole with no logical explanation but you're going to believe a fundamentally self-contradictory theory anyway because you like it better than the theory that actually makes sense
What if Tavrissprite didn't explode?
>>84131099
>you just have to accept it
That about sums up your wild theory there, it still relies on accepting a premise about paradox space that doesn't have any real concrete support. As a side note, try not to be 'funny' in future when someone asks your to simplify your explanation. You just end up looking like a complete arse.
>>84131099
i dont think paradox space just 'doesnt make sense'. time and space are just non-euclidean.
>>84131277
Then the Alpha kids would have all of their relationship issues magically solved and be ready to defeat all the baddies.
Is there even one example of something that happened in the furthest ring, but not in the dream bubbles, that was definitely not retconned?
>>84131300
thx babe
>>84131277
i wish it didnt. tavrisprite coulda been hilarious and awful. way funnier and better than dream vriska.
>>84131266
The plothole is how the hell the Juju itself, or rather how retcons work since they violate how we understand causality itself.
The stuff with the furthest ring is still sound.
Have you read the comic carefully? It's called Paradox space for a reason, there are limited contradictions built in that we have to accept because the story tells us to.
>JADE: for example, the furthest ring is not in the suns domain
>JADE: it is more like the suns medium, allowing it to exist
>ROSE: That's because it's almost impossible to do so voluntarily.
>ROSE: If we were to head right now in the session's true physical direction, it wouldn't be long before we found ourselves traveling in just the opposite direction.
>ROSE: This is not even to speak of the chronological peculiarities. After traveling some distance, we could discover we were suddenly tailgating our own meteor from several days ago.
>ROSE: If we are particularly unfortunate, we might even collide in an intersection of spacetime with a meteor piloted by our future selves.
>ROSE: And if we looked closely at that meteor before impact, we might notice a very large dent in it, which it originally suffered during the very collision we were about to experience.
As for the Green Sun, it helps to think of it not as a physical object with a point of creation but a kernel or program run at a certain instance. Running that program in multiple won't jumpstart new programs once it's been initiated.
>>84131234
Still implied. Plus in the early stages of the comic, no one really "flirted" with each other but ships were implied.
#Johnwasthecowboy
>>84131301
You just have to accept it because the story tells you to. It'd been solidified in the story that "Paradox Space is wacky magic land without sense and you have to roll with it." It's like a bonus level in a videogame where they physics aren't properly programmed in so you can fall through bricks or gain an extra life by dying.
And I wasn't really trying to be funny? It's just difficult to simplify nonsensical concepts.
>>84131039
You're in for an absolutely fantastic, comedic, mind-bending game-themed adventure epic up through the end of Act 5, followed by a slow but consistent downhill slide in quality from that point forward.
Even knowing the issues with Act 6, and how it all ends, I'd still absolutely recommend reading. There's simply nothing out there like early Homestuck, especially in how it uses the internet as a medium for storytelling. Just stop if you stop having fun.
>>84131301
calm down you baby back bitch
>>84131550
>He's a Nervous Investor
Look at him, look at him and laugh.
>>84131633
It's not my fault that it's the best ship.
>>84131479
Rose's example is carefully tailored to preserve causality though. Notice the part about the dent. The point isn't that causality works differently, it's that you can time travel just by moving through space. Paradox space isn't magic, it's just difficult to navigate.
>not as a physical object with a point of creation
Dave and Rose literally have to follow a map to where the Green Sun is supposed to be created so that they can create it. This was a major plot point.
>It'd been solidified in the story that "Paradox Space is wacky magic land without sense and you have to roll with it."
1. No it hasn't
2. Even if you accept that premise, it just means that NONE of the theories are right. There are no rules. Paradox space is affected by retcons except when it isn't. It's not "retcons work with some caveats". It's "sometimes retcons work and sometimes they don't but there's no way to distinguish them".
>>84131550
cotton candy got implied too (in roxy's ride flash) and there was no way that would happenjohnroxy a cute but janeroxy a cuterand dersecest/lalondecest a cutest
>>84131633
not investing > nervous investors > homeless people who trusted the huss
>>84131695
There are a lot hints though. And I just want it to happen. ;_;
Whoever said that we only talk about shipping anymore yesterday, fuck you.
>>84131695
Jane should have just died. Everything that happened with her simply wound up neglected and out of the way.
So /hst/
If you were a troll, what would your typing quirk be?
>>84131683
>This was a major plot point.
I wish he'd shown us this. This is an odd plot point that later gets contradicted by what we learn about the Furthest Ring later.
VRISKA: This is what a map looks like in the furthest ring.
VRISKA: This is what ALL maps look like out here.
VRISKA: Turns out plotting the relative geographical features of an infinite 8lack expanse of pure void is every 8it as moronic as it sounds. 8ut that didn't stop some ancient eldritch chucklefuck from doing exactly that.
VRISKA: For the longest time, this is all we've had to go on when it came to deciphering the clues and figuring out the coordin8tes of the legendary treasure.
VRISKA: Do you have any idea how hard it is to pin down the physical location of something out here? Never mind the fact that physical location in the furthest ring is already a mallea8le concept. Just imagine what it's like giving someone directions! What do you tell them?
VRISKA: Proceed in a str8 line shaped like a perpetually shifting torus knot until you feel a sense of despair transcending all mortal comprehension, then hang a right at the next octopus?
VRISKA: There's nothing static out there. No landmarks, no points of reference. Nothing!
Vriska tells us there are no references and physical 'space' or locality within the FR are null. Yet Rose and Dave's mission from earlier seem to reject this ambiguity since they had to pilot it to a 'specific' location, a notion that the story later rejects as plausible.
>1)
It's a land with no sense of space, time, light (Agency) or proper direction, a void essentially. That's the way the comic has hinted it at.
Rose and Dave can take 3 years piloting a meteor, but Spades Slick can pop out of the furthest ring and find the kids session in a few hours. It's nonsensical to think of it in terms of time or space.
>>84131039
The big bad dying off screen, maybe
nearly half the story getting retconned
8est girl winning
>>84131840
Vriska deserves having way more bad things happen to her.
>>84131829
replacing "m" with "rn"
>>84131683
>2)There are no rules.
There are some rules, they're just complicated and a bit puzzling to figure out. Alt!Calliope gives one hints on how to understand, but I'll have to go back and re-read that part.
I interpreted it as a variation of that. It's not that "Paradox space is affected by retcons except when it isn't", but rather "Paradox space is affected by retcons except technically it hasn't because those retcon affects were already in play anyway because chronology is a clusterfuck here."
>It's "sometimes retcons work and sometimes they don't but there's no way to distinguish them".
Or perhaps "Sometimes retcons work except when they don't because I guess we never did them anyway or they would already be here present-wise."
The furthest ring accepts feedback stable loops but it kind of 'flattens' them without a time continuum to work off of.
>>84131581
I just don't see any reason to buy in to your theory when it relies on such a nonsensical premise like that. Especially considering the exact nature or way in which paradox space is without sense isn't clearly established, that's rather the point of it being so hard to discern.
What makes this idea worth considering in your mind, in comparison to the more streamlined theories already present about the ending of the comic that include, John's retcon powers and how the Juju ties in with them in order to defeat LE?
>>84131885
>Pornegranates
>>84131892
>Paradox space is affected by retcons except technically it hasn't because those retcon affects were already in play anyway because chronology is a clusterfuck here
This describes retcons everywhere. Paradox Space isn't special in this respect. The "creating Lord English" retcon has been "already in play" throughout the entire comic, at every location.
The Wiki really nails Jake's character.
>>84131902
>such a nonsensical premise like that
My premise is only as absurd as what's been told in the story about the Furthest Ring and Paradox space. But I do agree that it's difficult to ascertain, I'm not saying it's 100% with what we know but it's plausible.
Even I cannot accept that a million Rose/Daves have made it to the Green Sun and re-created it or re-started it without feeling a bit of absurity at the notion. It's possible there divergence split somewhere after they left the Sun, but that seems even less likely with what we know.
>>84131829
i ramble when i text
(and enclose the results in parenthesis)
((nested))
(((maybe old hussie would have used me to make something like a Future Arachnid's Grip joke except with /pol/ and this parenthetical stuff)))
(or brackets)
((its nice cause i can carry multiple threads of conversation with someone at the same time))
((try it))
(((but youd better have friends willing to put up with this bullshit)))
>>84131988
(((Bankers)))
>>84131984
>it's plausible
You have said nothing to convince me of that. There is absolutely zero evidence in support of your theory. You aren't even using your theory to explain anything, it's kind of just overcomplicated and paradoxical for the sake of being overcomplicated and paradoxical.
>>84131988
Reminds me of The Familiar.
>>84132022
This John was MADE for /ss/
>>84132022
>back of a burger king kid's meal bag
Dave needs to be more radical and neon colored. John needs to be in a wheelchair. Jade needs roller skates. Rose needs to not be black.
>>84131902
>What makes this idea worth considering in your mind
The strengths are
>Doesn't depend on Meta-theory or Symbolism as much, the Retcon loops are sanctioned within Homestuck rules and don't surpass the Narrative as anything more than glorified time travel
>Bridges the 'Glitch' concept with what we know about Lord English better, how the glitch is a range of phenomenon and not a singular instance, supported by the start of the literal glitches around Gameover
>Ties together the entire ending more systematically and explains the purpose of various key players like LE's Terminal, The Green Sun, Alt!Calliope's actions, the puppet show, why the kids are able to enter the new universe safely and get a truly good ending
>It's a bit more optimistic about the finality of their victory and LE's defeat
But I'll admit it has a lot of weaknesses.
Primarily being the speculative nature of it's premises, and the details that are hard to work out like how Retcons that are only Upgraded Time Travel are able to contradict Sburb's rules with the Alpha. And most dubiously of all, there's a lack of conclusive proof how undoing a cylinder cycle of Universal Destruction+The Green Sun's creation+LE's origin would manifest as a "Weakness" or the glitch which denatured and depowered LE at the end.
>>84132095
>implying Burger King kid's meals wouldn't have a token black person that was also a girl to hit two diversity quota birds with one stone
>>84131872
AG: someone took my shoes ::::'(
>>84132160
GOOD
Why is she so much cooler than her Daughter-Mother?
>>84132185
Kanaya.
>>84132138
Now I want to see Homestuck fanart that has all of the diversity quotas forced onto one character. Rose is gay, half-black, half-asian, in a wheelchair and has vitiligo, while everyone else is just perfectly stereotypical white kids.
>>84131950
>This describes retcons everywhere.
Yeah that's why it's extra mind-screwy to understand the tautology of retcons when applied to a place where space-time are already rendered invalid.
Try to think of it like a program that complied events A-to-Z over a a series of time. From our perspective, retcons can affect B or M and from the readers vantage we can see that play out.
This isn't so with the Furthest Ring because it's already accounted for unreality. Just as with the powers originally it doesn't displace events, but here they're not even given the benefit of a reference.
>The "creating Lord English" retcon has been "already in play" throughout the entire comic, at every location.
Just has the "Deconstructing Lord English" one has, it's a giant mobious strip with the centermost intersection the point of LE's defeat, which corresponds to the moment the Green Sun explodes and the Juju is re-activated.
>>84132074
holy shit i never knew i needed this. it looks like clusterfuckery and i am going to get myself a copy.
(thanks anon)
>>84131830
>ancient eldritch chucklefuck
I'd rather learn about this chucklefuck than the Beforus trolls
>>84132185
>didn't have a single fucking conversation with a single remaining troll
I'm still so fucking booty blasted
>>84132185
Bad writing, being a Mary Sue.
Was Jane supposed to be fat? I remember a handle of places where it looked like she was, but I can't remember exactly where they were.
>>84132134
Maybe it would help if you restated your thesis. I don't see why it is necessary for the furthest ring to be unaffected by retcons. The house juju can have both metatextual and mundane powers. The conventional theories already rely on the juju having whatever effect is most convenient for the given situation.
>>84132234
>not having a bitransvitiligohavingdisableddeaflightsensitivewheelchairboundhalfblackhalflatina fankid/troll of Void whose quest is to make themself an identity
>>84132304
she was portrayed as fat in vriskagram
>>84132304
when she was fucking around with the fork earlier she was pretty thin all things considered, it wasn't until go and after that she was always portrayed as thicc or frumpy
>>84132053
If there are multiple Meteors flying through the air in paradox space's chasm, enough that they could crash course for a collision why is it implausible?
This isn't even my central thesis, it's just a defense of the explanation that Retcons, aren't meta-narrative powers but just more sophisticated Space/Time-Travel with more allowances. If they were meta-narrative it'd be only possible for one Dave or Rose to exist and the sun would only ever be created once, but this contradicts my theory because in the new 'cycle' reality, the Mobious-reach around where the kids create the troll universe and that ends up leading to the sun being re-created, is necessary for this theory.
If it was only created in one instance without the possibility of it being un-made the next time by way of stopping it, the theory is debunked.
>>84132134
Well I suppose it's good to have a more mechanical theory about how the ending went down. I do also appreciate how much thought you've put into the theory as well. I just think that the prior theories about the ending are much more likely to be what Hussie wanted to convey, given the meta nature of Homestuck.
I mean, Hussie was literally a character in the story who narrated events and interacted with characters. If that doesn't scream 'meta' then I'm not sure what else does. As such, I'd imagine the ending to such an adventure would heavily stray towards that more meta explanation for wild elements, such as John's retcon powers, as opposed to there being fully thought out mechanics that always existed in the story due to the incredibly nonsensical understanding of one area in the comic where a lot of the action takes place.
Considering the guy didn't even fully elaborate on the mechanics of Sburb in the end, I just feel you're giving him way too much credit for in-universe explanations and mechanics.
>>84132160
I want to touch """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" (part 1 of 612)
>>84132406
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>>84132406
please no
>>84132410
>tfw you will never make her a mom
>>84132449
>tfw you will never be FORCED to make her a mom
>>84132431
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>>84132305
My thesis is that the entirety of Homestuck which is a feedback loop, a mobius double-reacharound, is succeeded by the convergence of this loop via the 'glitch' which is John's retcon, but undoing the process of LE's creation itself. This doesn't erase him but is enough of a paradox that removing his origin opens the glitch up as a weakness to exploit and allows for finality in his defeat.
>I don't see why it is necessary for the furthest ring to be unaffected by retcons
It's not that they're not affected, they're just affected in a specific way.
You cannot do a retcon on the meteor and just erase/replace large swarths of causality for instance. All you can do is move one instance of perspective from another.
I used to argue that they were meta-fictional, but seeing as how Vriska and (Vriska) exist despite taking separate meteor rides I'm not convinced that all events still happen independently, without contradiction.
>>84132304
After Caliborn called her fat she was consistently drawn as fat, until Act 7 when she wasn't again
>>84132257
>Didn't get to beat up Vriska despite being Vriska's literal opposite in every way
>>84132482
What can we give you to cut this short, anon? Riches? Smut?
>>84132482
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>>84132304
She has to be a little chunky or it wouldn't make any sense for her to get so defensive and insist she's not fat when Caliborn calls her fat
Not as big as he makes her out to be, though
>>84132502
>tfw he will never make you a mom
>tfw you will never be a mom
>>84129477
>>84129482
I use the catalog and just type "home" specifically because of these OPs
so clear something up for me
in the Act 5 Act 2 walkaround Terezi is blind, but Vriska has both eyes and normal arms
does that mean that she telepathed back in time to blind Terezi after the cueball exploded?
it's been so long since i read act 5 i forgot the chain of events
>>84132482
>>84132525
Stop spamming you fucking Davekat shipper.
>>84132531
you don't know girls do you
>>84132531
Have you ever met a girl in your life? Even the thinnest get really upset if you imply they are overweight in jest.
>>84132504
I wont stop until i can touch """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" (part 1 of 1025)
>>84132525
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>>84132356
>If there are multiple Meteors flying through the air in paradox space's chasm, enough that they could crash course for a collision why is it implausible?
That's a deliberate misreading of Rose's example. She never said there were multiple meteors. She specifically said that it would be the same meteor, at different points on its timeline.
>Retcons, aren't meta-narrative powers but just more sophisticated Space/Time-Travel with more allowances. If they were meta-narrative it'd be only possible for one Dave or Rose to exist and the sun would only ever be created once
I don't see how the second statement follows from the first. We don't really have any reason to believe that the effects of time travel are "contained" to a given universe. We have every reason to believe that they can leak out into the furthest ring. There's no need to involve metatextual powers.
>the kids create the troll universe
It's vice versa, unless you're using "create" in a different sense here?
>If it was only created in one instance without the possibility of it being un-made the next time by way of stopping it, the theory is debunked.
In the "retcons affect the furthest ring" theory, that would imply separate instances, though. I feel like you have your reasoning reversed but I don't understand why.
>>84132502
>Female John goes from dating Bad Eyepatch Boy to dating Blonde Alcoholic Lad With Heart of Gold
>>84132564
Home finds lots of other stuff. "estuc" is the most efficient search term most of the time.
>>84132567
That vriska was the god tier version I think
when vanilla milkshakes literally btfo of vriska she lost the arm & eye, used her powers to blind terezi, fast foward to make her pay; vriska gets shit beat out of her and god tiers with fixed stuff
>>84132369
I'm sure there's truth and some fault in all of them, including this one, truthfully it's hard to gauge what he meant without any feedback or confirmation. I just like this theory because it's the most optimistically charged possibility, and actually offers an explanation for LE's defeat.
It can be summarized as
>LE exists in a multiuniverse where he's so powerful he locks his existence in, but also locks the conditions for his existence in. This is his Achilles heel. He builds a Janga tower of causality waiting to slip apart any second
>Since John acquired retcon powers, he managed to create a timeline where the kids win and the same cycle starts. Because the conditions are just slightly different here, LE's tower cannot stand and he loses, his existence is made impossible.
It's a theory where the unbeatability of LE form the basis for his defeat, he set his loops too strict and now the slightest string pull undoes it all, which is why in AoE 7 we see it all tie together, his rise alongside his defeat.
But truthfully, yeah I don't think Hussie has thought of any of this or put in nearly as much thought as most theorizers have.
>>84132567
That's God Tier Vriska.
>>84132596
I'm sorry
>>84132624
Only ever had 5 threads show up, max, surprisingly enough.
>>84132642
Instead of ONE
>>84131978
Jake and Jane were offensively boring characters, Jake especially. Good lord, was he the worst.
>>84132328
>bitransvitiligohavingdisableddeaflightsensitivewheelchairboundhalfblackhalflatina fankid/troll of Void whose quest is to make themself an identity
You mean Horuss?
>>84132449
Rather make Jade a mom
>loki just had a set of animal ears lying around
No wonder she thought lb's dercesect request was lewd
>>84132571
>>84132589
He's very clearly blowing an insecurity of hers out of proportion. You just insist that she's lithe and lean to suit your sexual preferences.
>>84132498
So you're saying the Homestuck loop depended on John's retcon powers to be completed, but once this loop was completed the glitchy nature of the retcon powers this loop was based on lead to LE's creation being unstable, thus his downfall was already in motion as soon as the loop begun? Or perhaps intentionally undone by John's influence once the loop had completed given the loop and LE's injected presence in the loop didn't fully account for the autonomous action John could take with the powers once he'd played his part?
>>84131829
I'd probably ju$t ¢opy Büjorn'$.
>>84132628
>>84132633
oh
wait so is she keeping god tier secret
i could have sworn the next thing that happens after vriska goes god tier is that she fucking murders tavros
>>84132686
Anon you're just going to have to accept that Hussie has put a lot less thought into how this works than anyone who even TRIES to piece it together.
>>84132639
Instead of apologizing to me, why dont you apologize to """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" (part 1 of 6124131025111111)
>>84132596
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" (part something of 612)
>>84132664
"D
Dirk" - Jake.
>>84132732
"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" (part 7 of 612)
How can Andrew Hussie, circa 2009, and Andrew Hussie, circa 2012-2016, be the same person?
It's not as if he just woke up brain-dead one day. The parts of Act 6 where Spades Slick is the star are every bit as good as the Intermission, and you can tell the same author wrote both. His PXS comic, The Inaugural Death of Mister Seven, echoes the same assessment.
And yet, this man, this monster, also killed off Spades Slick without having him accomplish anything at all, for no logical reason, after his own self-insert resurrected him from his poetic death in Cascade.
The man who said that stories really work best when they have a satisfying ending authored the end of Homestuck. What is this creature? How does he share a headspace with the author of Acts 1-4?
>>84132765
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>>84132607
>We don't really have any reason to believe that the effects of time travel are "contained" to a given universe.
We kinda do? The way time lines are set up, they exist within the Genesis Frog and Sburb alongside each other, but only contained to that instance. Kid time doesn't affect Troll time which doesn't affect Alpha or Caliborn time.
I mean I can believe they 'leak out', but so do the instances that 'make it', if that makes sense.
In light of this it might be easier to condense what I call 'Bottleneck thesis'.
It agrees more with your reasoning I think.
There may be multiple Roses and Daves, but only one makes it to the Green sun, and they exist within the Furthest Ring alone.
But than branch out again once they reach the new Session. However it begs the question, how is this possible? How do you go from one singular instance splintering out again to multiple timelines? I don't think this is that unsolvable. The Meteor is a flashdrive, the Sburb mechanisms are copy-machines so once Rose+Dave make it new timelines can start existing again.
>It's vice versa
Mobius Reach-Around.
The trolls initially create the kids session. The kids later go on to either create the Troll session in their victory, or a session that will.
> I feel like you have your reasoning reversed but I don't understand why.
That's generally how speculative reasoning operates.
You start from a concluded Premise and try to work out the mechanics and arguments that might support it and don't contradict. It's like being given the answer to a murder mystery but having to solve to find the clues that match the situation.
I'd just like to see how Hussie explains what happened in Act 7. Will he ever do this like he has in the past?The answer is a resounding FUCK no but I want to believe
>>84132702
I think terezi says something like she was the only one who got it so people knew, I think it was revealed during the bk fight?
I think after that was the start of eridan heroically deciding to help all his pals the best way he could
>>84132681
>tfw no dog-wife
>>84132772
>forgetting there are canonically multiple hussies in the dreambubbles
>forgetting they appeared around the time the story started going to shit
>>84132814
>I think after that was the start of eridan heroically deciding to help all his pals the best way he could
Man, I'm so bummed out that Hussie just saved Vriska with the retcon
Though basically retarded, Eridan DID have noble intentions.
>>84132849
Oh, shit
>>84132810
>Hussie will never write another recap
the man is an unending ocean od disappointment
>>84132801
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>>84132876
Were the recaps actually entertaining? I skipped them.
>>84132889
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>>84132915
they clarify a bunch of plot points that would have been otherwise glossed over by hussie
>>84132664
Page of Hope has a ridiculous learning curve, true. Maybe if he'd been more competent and pushed the story along by idk helping jane and roxy solve traps over pesterchum or using his adventuring expertise/something hinting at how he became a billionaire or something. He just didn't show enough agency. Maybe if he'd gone to Aranea and asked her to just fix him -> Game Over? or helped Roxy make the Matriorb, since we know he can make things like Brain Ghost Dirk and his katana real or maybe pushed back against Dirk instead of retreating, which would make their dynamic more interesting (does Dirk try harder to control him? does he realize he fucked up? Does he think this makes Jake hotter? Why does Dirk want Jake, plush rump aside?) or fucked with Dirk and Caliborn's interactions in some way or tried to use his alpha-johnlikeness to appeal to Condy and gotten himself chained up in boyshorts (and passing info on to roxy or something) or something, anything
>>84132915
>SKIPPING
>>84132915
Eh
They gave the closest thing to an explanation of a 'standard session' even though we didn't get to see a single one like it.
>>84132717
Well of course, but I'm warming up to this theory being discussed somewhat as it explains LE's defeat without relying on the green sun's destruction and subsequent black hole + the kids coming back from the Juju to fight LE. It just never sat right that LE would lose even without first guardian powers and against more experienced kid opponents. The guy was invincible due to the clockwork magiks, when does that stop applying? The clock smashing seemed to be a separate event from the Juju, so why does the Juju affect those magiks?
>>84132686
>Homestuck loop depended on John's retcon powers to be completed,
Yes, thus why I think the Alpha timeline is where they go fight Caliborn. Since he has control of it masterfully, he creates his own 'bad end' by trapping the kids but ensuring he can exist in the void.
> but once this loop was completed the glitchy nature of the retcon powers this loop was based on lead to LE's creation being unstable, thus his downfall was already in motion as soon as the loop begun?
Sorrrta. He didn't account for the flexibility and freedom allotted by the retcons. It did serve as part of his loop structure, but there was a bit too much poking out to be secure. A doomed timeline John with these powers (Gameover) was able to pluck it apart enough to shotgun past that shit.
>Or perhaps intentionally undone by John's influence once the loop had completed given the loop and LE's injected presence in the loop didn't fully account for the autonomous action John could take with the powers once he'd played his part?
This.
It makes sense to be me that a master of intuition and the alpha couldn't see the danger in other dangling agents, like a roaming Beta John. He was too focused on the big picture and didn't see the 'god between the gaps' which when left free could destroy him.
In the universe/Troll universe cycles following the kids winning the game, the Green Sun is destroyed and as such, Bec/Scratch doesn't work, LE doesn't get summoned, the chain falls apart. It doesn't erase LE because he's ALREADY HERE, but much like the stitches in his labcoat, is a weakness, a glitch to exploit.
>>84132938
Oh shit, i gotta go read them and bask in the glory of experiencing part of old homestuck for the first time.
>>84132772
>How can Andrew Hussie, circa 2009, and Andrew Hussie, circa 2012-2016, be the same person?
A no doubt exhausting and highly distracting legal battle over a debacle of a video game, for which he'd planned for a separate studio to do most of the work.
Regardless of the Kickstarter issues, Act 6 probably still would've been a mess thanks to the ever-increasing focus on trolls and teen romance drama, but certainly the latter half of the comic suffered far more than it would have had it commanded Hussie's full attention.
That said, I'm legitimately excited to see Hussie finish up Hiveswap and start on something fresh. He's still a fantastic writer; he just let his story expand beyond a point where even he could manage it. The chance to come at something creatively fresh with a blank slate will do him some good.
So everyone, say Hussie kept just 4 trolls like in the beginning - which trolls would you have?
>Karkat
>Kanaya / Aradia
>Terezi
>Feferi
>>84132814
What if girl Terezi + girl John
>>84132915
What a fag. I bet you skipped intermission and the emos
>>84132805
>There may be multiple Roses and Daves, but only one makes it to the Green sun, and they exist within the Furthest Ring alone.
This is just getting more confusing, man.
Only one strilonde pair makes it to the green sun -> they create the green sun -> Game Over Meteor appears -> strilondes board it -> they don't meet vriska
Then john does a retcon and creates the Retcon Meteor. The origin of the Retcon Meteor is in the trolls' session.
At this point, does the Game Over Meteor still exist in paradox space, complete with Dave and Rose? You mentioned earlier that furthest ring retcons must be "already in progress" from the perspective of paradox space, so does that mean the Game Over Meteor never existed?
>>84133041
What if John in a dress being subjugated by female Terezi?
>>84133018
Karkat
Terezi
Kanaya
Tavros
since those are the first 4 we met. Tavros could be replaced with someone else though.
>>84131829
Off thə top of mý hæd, probåbłý soməthīñg łikə thīs
>>84133041
What if femaleJohnand femaleDave
>>84133018
Kanaya, terezi, karkat, and gamzee
>tfw no rose/gamzee bantz ever
>>84132814
This picture is making me realize that Male-Terezi wouldn't have been nearly as good as female Terezi. I just can't see it working.
>>84133103
They probably wouldn't have gotten off scot free for 'lmao well johns alive on MY timeline >:]'
P cute either way though.
Shit now that I think about it, did rose and karkat have any conversations? Or was it all kanaya & aradia?
>>84133077
That's what I was thinking. Mostly just replace Tavros with someone else (I think Feferi)
>>84132968
>Since he has control of it masterfully, he creates his own 'bad end' by trapping the kids but ensuring he can exist in the void.
So are you saying LE actually escapes into the void to carry on his whole injection into existence deal; but the kids get a good end and he's out of their session? Despite technically still being in it because down the line they have to connect the loop to the troll's universe even if they don't directly oversee that event happening, it's just something that happens from a session in their new universe?
I'm really starting to like this theory, it'd do well to have it noted down somewhere so you can bring it up at another time with more people about to discuss it, given there's some weaknesses that the collective could help explore in greater detail. Though, again, Hussie almost assuredly didn't think through anything like this is, this is entirely a more favourable reading into things.
>>84133048
No i swear i didnt, i did nothing wrong officer
I only skipped the recaps and some of the openbound dialogue
And maybe the end of one of the alterniabound flashes
And i missed the secret pony flashes
>>84133071
ok i'm saving that item for last
>yfw Hussie does another Hiveswap Kickstarter to reraise funds
>yfw people still donate
>>84133018
Proceeding under the assumption that every character will still have a patron troll, and that the patron trolls must all be relevant in some way:
>Karkat
>Vriska
>Terezi
>Kanaya
Karkat has too much comedic potential to pass up, as well as potential for a decent character arc. Vriska has a nice dynamic with John, and you need villainous potential for at least one troll still. Terezi complements Vriska well while also having potential to move the story along, and Kanaya is the best patron for Rose, I do think. You could give her Feferi or a significantly altered Aradia, but I don't see them working as well.
Keep these four, have them mostly on the sidelines as they are in the early acts, followed by Vriska wreaking havoc more or less as she does pre-Scratch in canon, then the rest of the trolls helping the kids do damage control for the remainder of the story, and it'd work well enough.
>>84133018
Keep all the trolls, but only have Karkat, Terezi, Vriska (until she dies), Tavros and maybe Kanaya as lesser main character, the rest of the trolls are purely supporting secondary characters meant to either develop the main trolls, main characters or the plot in some way.
>>84133103
Characters who are good/better when their genders are reversed:
Karkat
Rose
Roxy
Dirk
John
Caliborn
Calliope
Sollux
Eridan
Aradia
Dad
Mom
Bro
Grandpa
Equius
Characters who are improved by having their gender reversed but are still shit:
Nepetathat's it
can anyone give me a name for this?
>>84133192
>donating to the guy who has enacted complete and radio silence
>after that ending
>while the game website still shows the game as 3d
>>84133095
>femJohn/femDave
you have my attention
>>84125148
wip, i'll be back in a bit to finish it
>>84133224
like, who the artist is? No idea
>>84133224
Thicc of time
>>84133235
Liveblogger did you have tumblr with videos of you reading the comic? i remember your name and watching some but sort of forgot about it.
>>84133237
>I'm sorry dave but I am not a lesbianI wish I had more genderbent art, most of what I've seen has been p cute
>>84133223
>female eridan
Oh man the eridan apologist would be unfucking real if eri was a girl
>>84133243
Nice!
>>84133018
I'd take six
Vriska - Act 5 Vriska was fun to watch and hate on
Kanaya - Kanaya
Eridan - comedy/murderstuck
Cloune - plot twists and murderstuck
Terezi - great chemistry with Dave
Karkat - deserved better
Maybe give Karkat Tavros's roles, make Terezi more Aradia-like, Equius is a sad casualty, delete nep
>>84133224
>titjob glory hole
>>84133224
Waste of Time,y'know cus the outfit is really impractical and all.
why do these threads worship davejade so much
>>84133235
Actually, you know, I saw a rant on plebbit which was calling out Hussie and some defenders of Hiveswap said the only reason there's silence is so they can work on the game
Has there ever been a kickstarter project which went over budget, late of schedule, and off the rader that ended up being good?
>>84133270
no a godtier name like heir thief knight etc. . i just did the colors
>>84133319
furfags
It's better this way lads
We all know Hussie would have made her gay
>>84133319
It's the only davekat competitor that wasn't thoroughly sunk by the retcon
>>84133318
>This would be Hussie's GT outfit
>>84133372
Reddit ships JadexDavepeta
>>84133318
So are the other ones i did, but its fun to imagine "what if i gave aspect colors?"
>>84133224
>dark red
>flowing around the hips
>gloves
>circuitry
Jesus christ, are you TRYING to give me infinite boners?more please
>>84133325
>over budget, late of schedule, and off the rader that ended up being good?
Broken Age :^)
>the only reason there's silence is so they can work on the game
This is the fucking stupidest shit imaginable, there is literally nothing from stopping any member from the team, hussie included, from at the fucking minimun update backers like at least once a month or so just to confirm they are infact still working on it. The more silence there is the more we're left to assume about why they refuse to show off anything. What if there isn't anything? We wouldn't fucking know since they refuse to communicate!
So instead of being able to try and work out details about the game from like bgs or character models or music samples or literally fucking anything; there is just this fucking void where anyone who still cares is completely shafted with no incentive to actually bother being interested.
Community mangers exist for a fucking reason
>>84133319
its cute and they had better conversations than davekat
When is Let's Read Homestuck Openbound coming out?
>>84133366
Fool! The Princess of Light isn't restricted to a single one! She is gonna make all males sstraight and all females lesbian in her harem! You know who she gonna start with?
>>84133417
EXACTLY! But her brother would be included in the mix
>>84133475
community mangers cost money
>>84133416
You mean they ship davekat and they want to conveniently pawn Jade off to someone
>>84133418
I saw an opportunity for a terrible joke and jumped on it, no disrespect intended. If I had to think of an actual name that fit I'd go for something like Vestments. Though that may be a bit to formal, so some other name for desert robes or something thematically similar was likely fit too.
>>84133318
>implying 3ft long hoods, dresses, and short-shorts are practical
>>84133463
not Original Artist i just changed the colors but heres their DA: http://karijn-s-basement.deviantart.com/art/Fashion-Adoptable-Auction-61-CLOSED-596563648
another one i did from the same aritst
>>84133319
DaveJade is the only good relationship in all of Homestuck, and here's why:
Both characters built on each other in a constructive way. Dave's primary issue is that he has to be the coolkid. In most conversations, he's perpetually defensive, trying to prove that he's really that cool. It's only with Jade (and Terezi, I suppose) that he's willing to drop the facade even a little. Yet nobody except Jade (and maybe Terezi, though it's hard to say what level of irony she was operating on) actually believes for a second that he is cool. The fact that Jade accepts it is what allows him to let his guard down while talking to her. She enables him to move out of his shell and become his own person.
On the other hand, Jade has enormous potential, but no one but Dave recognizes it. Rose mostly ignores her, except for when she wants a prediction, and John regards her as his silly friend but not a whole lot beyond that. Only Dave sees that, with some help, she could become something far greater than she is, and he dedicates a lot of time to helping her achieve that. Look at the client/server relationships: Rose is pretty hands-on with John, but is more concerned with figuring out the game mechanics than helping John out. Dave pretty much leaves Rose alone after she enters, since he knows she'd find being treated like she can't handle herself patronizing. John doesn't really get a chance to do anything with Jade beyond placing the initial entry equipment. But Dave spends a lot of time trying to help Jade figure things out and get situated.
Basically, Dave and Jade compliment and complete each other. No one else in Homestuck has that kind of relationship.
>>84133547
its funny how reddit treats Jade as a side-bitch. Even we treat her better
>>84133535
Man if only hussie had some means of communicating with his audience or maybe had some form of "employee" he could direct to start updating backers
>>84133568
>DaveJade
That sure isn't DS/Rose anon
>>84133556
none taken my man.
Anyone got a Joey/Trizza/Jude fic?
>>84133330
how about I just give you a list of legal class names instead
http://pastebin.com/uSZPYg3w
>>84133664
I only have a Joey/Flashlight fic.
>>84133475
But Broken Age was, like, the definition of mediocre
>>84133736
That was the joke babe
>>84133725
Hmm, works too. Princess of Light fucking a flashlight
>>84133669
>twerp
for a good second i thought that said twerK
Thanks guy i appreciate this.
Homestuck genderswap/rule 63 tier list:
God tier:
Nepeta
Dave
Pretty good tier:
Dirk
Equius
John
Tavros
Meh Tier:
Jake
Roxy
Karkat
Eridan
Not as good as the originals tier:
Rose
Terezi
Vriska
Aradia
Sollux
Gamzee
Kanaya
Shit tier:
Jane
Feferi
Jade
>>84133745
at least use a potentially canon class name like Queen of Light
>>84133775
>TFW no sexy Homestuck twerking pictures.
>>84130735
Dave Dirk and Jake are passable. Roxy could lose the pink hair but is otherwise okay.
So, we already have incests of John and Jade... can we have Joey included in the mix?
>>84130887
No otherwise why would she go after knayas massive dick
>>84133843
what about poor jude
>>84133564
ps. i called this one the 'Force of Mind', since i didnt notice that damn lightsaber till i was just about done coloring. Really annoyed me how i didnt notice it immediately for reason
>>84133569
We actually care about Homestuck, and want Jade to be happy
>>84133051
Try to think of it in cycles than, not multiple.
If the kids create a new universe that begets the trolls which give rise to them again somehow, in the succeeding instances it's not like a new Rose or Dave creates the Green Sun, it's the same one.
But in this theory it hinders on their absence of doing so at some point. The glitch or odd, out-of-temporal-locality moment of vulnerability would take place between when they create the Green Sun, and Calliope destroys it.
>so does that mean the Game Over Meteor never existed
No, it's more like they both exist at separate instances of reality but can never interact due to the cylindrical nature in which they're introduced. Neither replaces the other. Only one instance, but throughout causality (On a much wider scale, hard to explain).
>>84133877
>>84133417
cucked
post concepts you wish had been included in homestuck.
I wish the red queen's race had made its way in somehow.
>chess metaphor
>describes the treadmill of paradox space
>red queen is damara working under english to kill doomed timelines
>she just shows up and wrecks everything
>tfw no seer of time who actually just has to go through loops and physically see
>tfw no session-pirates using a seer of void to navigate and steal grist
>tfw no carapacian political intrigue funtimes
>>84133810
i dont think the worlds ready for that.
>>84133168
>but the kids get a good end and he's out of their session?
Yes and no. They don't get rid of Caliborn in this theory, since he still has to exist, but they, or atleast another them defeats Lord English.
They get to live their happy lives in the new session.
LE is already taken care of by pre-retcon Alpha Timelime them and Calliope.
> Despite technically still being in it because down the line they have to connect the loop to the troll's universe even if they don't directly oversee that event happening, it's just something that happens from a session in their new universe?
Yes, although they're in part of a loop that doesn't lead to LE's influence this time around and is free from his temporal control.
Give me just a moment, I'm making a diagram.
>>84133366
Don't give up hope Joey! The world is scheduled to end before your estimated death date!
>>84133796
R63 Kanaya might be good if he's just extremely feminine.
also, R63 Gamzee is at LEAST better than the original Gamzee. Being a girl can only improve a character that's pretty much just walking plot armor and weed jokes.
>Femquius
>not God Tier
For shame.
>>84133922
I wish some ghosts that took the short end of the stick appeared, maybe as versions of the characters corrupted with dark emotions.
Imagine the John that was sacrificed to the dream one go God Tier.
''No one remembered me.,, no one remembered MY sacrifices! Why do I have to be the shadow while YOU have to simply get everything? I tire of this. I am taking your place now!''
Or maybe the one that was killed in retcons:
''Funny, you really think you saved everything, John. Even Typheus said you didn't need to go so far, but you just had to go and pursue your happy ending, even if it meant costing mine and your best friend's lives and Jade's happiness. How do you feel, killing a man and wearing his skin?''
>>84133893
>it's not like a new Rose or Dave creates the Green Sun, it's the same one.
>No, it's more like [the meteors] both exist at separate instances of reality but can never interact
So you are saying that there definitely only one Dave and Rose who create the Green Sun, and there are definitely two different meteors. So how does each meteor have its own Dave and Rose that remembers creating the Green Sun? Is one pair fake? Which one?
>>84133925
>TFW no slutty Damara twerking.
>TFW no seductive Terezi twerking.
>TFW no yandere Aradia twerking.
>TFW no classy Kanaya twerking.
>TFW no aggressive Vriska twerking.
>TFW no sophisticated Aranea twerking.
>TFW
>TFW.......
>wake up to kiss my qt terezi gf
>kiss the air, fall out of bed and bruise my arm
>cry
why isn't she real..........
Question: was it ever mentioned in the comic if Rose is usually up, active and alert super early?
Not super important if no one knows or if it was never stated, just cleaning up loose ends for my next fic update.
Suit Rose relevant either way.
>>84134015
>Doomed timeline where someone tricks the trolls into thinking TWERKING is a human greeting and expression of happinessor ANGER
>>84134080
when in down, consider mom lalonde
what time would she wake up?
would her being awake affect rose's sleep?
would mom actively wake rose up?
etc
>>84134080
dat thigh gap
>>84134080
rose stays up late and wakes up with messy hair cursing the luminous sky orb for disturbing her slumber.
no I have no support for this but it feels right
>>84133986
>kanaya might be good
Yeah, maybe. It would be hard to pull of though so thats why i put her/him so low
>r63 gamzee better than the original
Yeah, maybe youre right
>femquius not god tier
Femquius is all around good, but i just cant see a girl with his personality.
>>84134109
I need both fics and pictures of this. God damn, you're brilliant. That's brilliant. Holy fuck, it's so hot.
>>84134121
>cursing the luminous sky orb
>>sky orb
>>>orb
RORB LALORB!
>>84133986
I feel like making Equius a girl would ruin him.
>>84133944
Sorry for my sloppiness and autism but here's a more condescended version of the theory. I think it also takes into account Hussie's theory of "Multiple selves" and how every instance of you is important. Another instance of the kids defeat LE and the one's we follow get to head into the universe they create happily, even though ultimately one way or another someone takes care of defeating the badguy, paving the way for the new universe, ect.
>>84134080
I like to imagine prospit dreamers are morning people and derse dreamers are night owls.
>>84133922
I just wanted more crazy alchemized shit.
If you reflect on all of your least favorite moments throughout the comic, I bet none of them involve the Wrinklefucker or the Duttle.
I don't think Roxy is a sue
I think she's just genuinely a hero and that seems fucking weird in a webcomic where everyone is a secret bitch
>>84134164
I don't even remember the Duttle.
>>84134010
Each pair is 'real' or as real the next. Separate instances that do the same thing until their actions converge.
Like Crash Bandicoot on two different screens and all that. It's the same videogame character, separate instances.
>strong aryan woman
>racist
>secretly wants the dirty filipino boy to dominate her in bed
there u go thats femquius
>>84134176
She is a Sue though.
>>84134080
Rose is prob a night owl, sluggish to start until her second cup of coffee then she's good
>>84134176
>I think she's just genuinely a hero and that seems fucking weird in a webcomic where the author just refused to development anyone not a strilonde
>>84134131
OH GOD NOW I CANT STOP PICTURING KARKAT TWERKING AS HARD AS HE CAN WHEN HE GOES THROUGH ONE OF HIS TANTRUMS!
>>84134225
Stop. You're ruining my boner. Stop.
>>84134185
So when you said
>it's not like a new Rose or Dave creates the Green Sun, it's the same one.
You were not referring to Rose and Dave by their "instances", but by their platonic selves? So there were actually two different "instances" of Rose and Dave who created the Green Sun?
>>84134225
>Karkat and Dave do the penis ouija thing
>Karkat suddently climbs on the table and stars twerking wildly
>mfw
>>84134121
>>84134163
>>84134217
Hmm. Suppose those make sense. Can't think of anything to disprove them. Alright, so Rose being annoyed by an early morning (6 AM-ish) Roxy freakout wouldn't be out of line with her character, then.
Not that it's super important, but I wasn't sure, so why not check. Also, I could always use an excuse to post Rose in suits. >>84134120 this guy gets it.
>>84134225
Holy shit muh dick
>>84134240
>>84134282
Well, which is it?
>>84134158
this is awful formatting
I can't tell what order to read the panels in, and clearly there is a specific order because the panel on the right starts with a pronoun
>>84134278
wwhy post a rose wwhen you can havve a vviolet?
Land of Apparitions and Bioluminescence, done. Sorry it's several days after the request, but I had two to do, and this was pretty fiddly.
Really fun, though.
>>84134323
erii how could you rape feferii liike that what the hell
ii mean you can have her back 2he2 u2ed good2 now
but not cool man
not
cool
>>84131039
A good comic with a poor ending.
>>84134348
Holy shit dude
>>84134348
Holy shit, this is amazing!
>>84134248
No, I meant literally the same one in a cycle of Rose and Daves. Same one two, or rather an infinite number of them who created the Green Sun in a feedback loop.
Eventually the kids new universe, whether we assume it's the one where Beforus comes to be, or after that, will create the kids universe and kids session. This will lead to another new Rose and Dave however, even if from the cylindrical viewpoint it's the 'Same one' functionally, in a sense. These too will go over to detonate the green sun.
The problem with the furthest ring is, being outside of space/time, it's confusingly indifferent to the cylindrical cycle of existence, so it's as if a new Rose and Dave has stepped forth to recreate the sun. We know this to be impossible and it's hard to grasp from our point of view, if only because of the entanglement in the furthest ring from non-Space-Time. It's a lot more easily comprehensible with computer/programming logic, but weirder in the sense of actual physical locality.
>>84134323
Go Away Eridan Nobody Likes You
What Is Going On With Your Vest Jacket Ensembles Collar The Whole Thing Looks Like A Square Block But Perhaps That Is Appropriate
Dont You Half To Be Doing Something Else
Like Lying Bisected On The Floor
>>84134309
Top to bottom then left to right.
The arrow diagram can be read more bottom to top I guess? Fuck it it's awful, but I just cobbled it together and aren't good at making charts.
Maybe someone who comprehends it better can make a more organized diagram.
>>84134390
>half
lol
>>84134348
Thats really BEAUTIFUL!!
>>84134348
Actually, you know what, I just noticed the fog is drowning out the underwater bits, so I made those a bit more visible. Disregard the previous version.
>f-list finally back up
Thank fuck now I can keep looking for shitty homestucks
>>84134365
>>84134390
i knovw, right?
wvhy do you evwen 8OTHER with that loser, wvhen you can hawve the original?
I'm just here for the chimmi chongas
>>84134445
was this for a request thread or commision?if a request, could you do a Land of Zephyr and Flight for a Thief of Breath?
>>84133564
What is an "adoptable" anyway? I keep seeing the term but have no idea what it means.
We know that Hussie is working on some sort of SBaHJ work, but what if Hiveswap has now become a branch of the SBaHJ media franchise?
>>84134663
It's an OC that you can buy, and then it's yours to do with what you wish.
>>84134630
It was a request - I make posts here asking for lands to draw every now and again. It's 6am so I'm not taking more now.
All the ones I've already done are posted here: http://paradoxlands.tumblr.com/
>>84134408
>Top to bottom then left to right.
do you mean top, left, right, center, bottom? Or top, center, bottom, left, right?
>>84134380
Look, I have a bachelor's in computer science but I still have trouble grasping your programming metaphors.
So what you're saying is that Paradox Space is either oscillating or looping, so it goes:
Era of no green sun -> Green sun created -> Era of Green sun -> Green sun destroyed -> Era of no green sun -> Green sun created -> etc.
This loop can't be modified or retconned, it's eternal and static. Retcons can only occur within sessions, which are dynamic and changeable. So when Rose and Dave enter the furthest ring, no matter what changes were made in their session, they are abstracted into a specific instance of Rose and Dave that is static and unchangeable.
In the meteor case, there are two static instances of the meteor in the furthest ring and every dynamic meteor that leaves the trolls' session will converge to one of these two instances.
We think of Rose/Dave (RD) as an entity that has a period of 1 and the meteors as an entity that has a period of 2 (it oscillates between A and B and repeats every two cycles). So every time the Green Sun is created, it's the same Rose and Dave but alternating meteors, so after they meet up it alternates between A+RD and B+RD.
Am I on the right track or is this way off base?
>>84134689
Cool. Thanks for the explanation.
>>84134663
pretty sure it means you buy the art and its yours to use as you please and no one can claim it as their own.
>>84134696
thats some pretty goooood shit my man.
>>84134445
Anon that requested the Land here. Absolutely stunning, you drew it far better than I would've ever imagined it in my head. Your talent is unmatched.
I love it anon, thank you so very much! Maybe I'll blow it up, vectorize it, print it out and put it in my room (though it would take away from all the minute details).
>>84133307
Murderstuck has no reason to exist if you're starting with a lower cast. Murderstuck only happened to thin out the troll cast. Even if you still want Gamzee to flip the fuck out, you don't have to start murdering the trolls. Especially if you've already limited down to six, who would Eridan and Gamzee each kill? Unless you're implying Gamzee would kill Eridan?
>>84134851
Thanks. It's a fun style to draw with. I may not be as good at characters as Loki or Angel (desu I'm pretty shit at them), but landscapes? Those I can do.
>>84134863
Glad you like it.
I can't really recommend a good way to blow it up. The comic style being heavily based on the sharp pixellated edges sort of makes any enlargement a bit crappy - you either lose the crispness or end up with jumbo pixels.
If you do, I'd love to see how it comes out.
>>84134704
>Era of no green sun -> Green sun created -> Era of Green sun -> Green sun destroyed -> Era of no green sun -> Green sun created -> etc
Sorta, but not in a singular loop, and just without any sense of 'time' attached. The cycle all happens in one 'instant' from Skaia's perspective, like a donut. Or rather two interlocking circles with separate loops, a Double Obvious reach around basically. The Point of LE's origin/Defeat is where the knot meets and "Switches."
>Am I on the right track or is this way off base?
You're on track. 'Normally' that's the effective condition for how the Green Sun and meteor is set up. Same Rose and Dave, alternating circumstances.
The thing to understand is that the secondary period for the meteor in which, it never crosses over to the Green Sun location at all and delivers the bomb. This is where the 'No Green Sun' Era exists. All different instances of Rose and Dave can happen even if it's the same one. The dynamic on the meteor changes once it leaves the domain of the green sun, but it arriving at it's initial destination is static an the singular Rose+Dave is static before that point.
> So when Rose and Dave enter the furthest ring, no matter what changes were made in their session, they are abstracted into a specific instance of Rose and Dave that is static and unchangeable.
Correct, briefly. This instance converges after entering.
Dave and Rose entering and creating the Green Sun is a fixed point in reality in which, for all intents and purposes, they converge and is functionally identical. After that it's anyones game which is why Vriskadate can happen and the initial one can happen, due to retcons occurring within sessions.
>>84134704
Read the top and then bottom, than the left and then right. Chart is for reference.
>>84134945
god fucking damnit, I always forget that filter
>>84134863
>>84134945
I personally would go with the jumbo pixles. Blurryness just looks bad and vectorizing will lose a lot of nice details.
>>84129439
>pounding Jade's delicious brown snatch
holy fuck breh I've got this 18yo mulatto qt with a fat butt coming back over tomorrow night, I can't bear the wait
This has nothing to do with homestuck, I'll go back to /fit/ now
>>84135019
Put her in dog ears and make her call you Dave
>>84135051
I literally have ears and a tail she wears, I could.
She has read homestuck, but I have not. At least she would understand.
>>84135088
>lying on the internet
>>84135088
>>84135019
yeah bro, totally
>>84135113
Why do you think hes lying???
>>84135142
2good2betru
>Rose never ended up with permanently sin-stained ashen skin to remind them all of what a traitorous hellbound whore she is at heart
>>84135113
>Liveblogger accusing other people of being fake
lmao
>>84135142
Because getting a jade cosplayer to suck your dick and call you Dave is too good to be true
>>84135175
>rose as permagray and kanaya as permawhite
Huh
>>84135175
>grimdark had no consequences other than getting Rose killed
>grimbark meant nothing
>crockerJane meant nothing
>the horrorterrors meant nothing after rose went grimdark
I actually liked their grimwhatever designs better than their original ones, why'd they have to last for so little?
>>84134946
>The Point of LE's origin/Defeat is where the knot meets and "Switches."
What no, the cycle has a minimum period of 2 green sun cycles, so the loops must have a minimum of 2 different "switches". Two knots.
>The thing to understand is that the secondary period for the meteor in which, it never crosses over to the Green Sun location at all and delivers the bomb.
What are you talking about? Rose and Dave had the bomb, not the meteor. In any case, I don't see how this is relevant. So half the time, trolls finish their session on an off-beat and never venture into the furthest ring? Who cares?
>they converge and is functionally identical.
"Functionally identical" meaning "exactly identical". There is no difference between Rose and Dave in the furthest ring after one full period. They have the exact same memories, experiences, and other states of being. Am I wrong?
>>84135162
Weren't you gonna do nudestuck at one point?
I haven't read the ending of homestuck, and from what people are saying I think I never will
>>84135245
>Rose didn't suffer horrific consequence for giving into the darkness
>It had no impact on her whatsoever save to lobotomize her of any personality that wasn't drunk bubbly idiot
as someone with a slow burn fetish for girls giving into damnation, consider me cheated
>>84135305
if you're talking about our Green Sun discussion, we've most likely put a lot more thought into this than Hussie has
not that that is an incentive to read the ending but you know
>>84135318
That depends on how feminine it is.
>>84135318
post that girl tinkler senpai
>>84135289
I was considering it, I just need a dave
>>84135262
> Two knots.
That makes appropriate sense but in a cycle that's intertwined it matters less, because these cycles are one in the same, just constituted differently. It might be easier to understand it like a mobius band with rather 2 "Sides" that are really one in the same and occur spontaneously.
>So half the time, trolls finish their session on an off-beat and never venture into the furthest ring?
Rather they never make that far to the furthest ring altogether. This is important because it's an instance taking place where the Green Sun isn't created, whether they end up completing their session or not is irrelevant.
If the Green Sun hasn't been created, it means the tumor hasn't gone off, which means in turn the universes haven't been destroyed properly and LE's whole shebang hasn't gone off.
> Am I wrong?
No, you are correct. Prior to meeting the meteor crew that is.
>>84130150
whatever it is, they're losing
>>84135318
>>84135346
>>84135368
>>84135374
So Liveblogger is a tranny? That explains everything.
>>84130432
>LE's weakness was bad writing all along
>the very kind of bad writing he considered his masterpiece
THAT WHAT THE IRONING
Can you make a doomed timeline while out in the Furthest Ring?
>>84135318
>>84135368
>>84135443
Anon it's 2016
Everyone is Trans
Where is Karkat?
I can't believe I thought LB was an actual girl
>>84135495
I 8 HIM
:::;(
>>84135459
No. There's no time to make a timeline.
You can make a fucking stupid trip if you're from a doomed timeline in a session I guess.
Hey, does paradox space apply to the Furthest Ring? If you know you're doomed are you able to escape it by going there?
>>84135443
>known shitposter repeatedly admits to impersonating namefags even when all it does it force them to use a trip
>hurr durr they must be a tranny
Neck yourself
>>84135485
Please, i do not want to discuss this.
>>84135496
real girls would like davekat
>>84135513
What?
>>84130150
john and jade always looked asian to me. i just assume john would be pale from being indoors and jade brown from living on an island. same goes for jane and jake.
rose and dave are pretty white. especially dave.
>>84135512
So if Dave goes back in time while on the meteor, leaving behind a timeline what happens?
>>84135527
>t. Doyoni
>>84135496
I am a girl
>>84135571
He cannot really
So he'd be stuck with two Daves I guess.
>>84135584
I'm just assuming this is an imposter
The real liveblogger isn't this dumb
>>84135495
1. Killing himself for being too much of a cuck.
OR
2. Sucking Dave's dick, then getting cheated on by Jade, Jane, Rose and Dirk. And then killing himself.
>>84135527
No, stupid girls like davekat
>>84135512
what do you mean by paradox space here? because "paradox space" refers to everything and every place in homestuck, including the furthest ring.
>>84135604
>The real liveblogger isn't this dumb
>>84135604
Just imagine if they put this much effort setting up a filter instead of shitting up the thread
>>84135602
What would happen to the timeline he left behind then? I don't think you can have both.
>>84135387
>This is important because it's an instance taking place where the Green Sun isn't created
Why does that matter? It doesn't affect anything regardless of whether they finish two sessions per green sun cycle or just one.
I think I understand your premise but I don't think you've thought all the way through the ramifications. The way it is, there isn't actually any difference between the rules in the furthest ring and inside of sessions. If the furthest ring is static, then so are the sessions. John acquires his retcon abilities in the furthest ring. He actions are a constant, static, unchangeable. As a result, the retcons he creates are also constant, static, and unchangeable. Yes there are two different meteors in the paradox space loop, but they sessions they come from will be exactly the same after every full period. When John uses his retcon powers, he isn't actually changing anything. He's just moving through the loop by a distance of one half-period. It's misleading to say that retcons can't change the furthest ring. The truth is, they can't change anything. Every corner of paradox space is predestined, including the sessions.
alright fake hsg, where's the new jasprose art?
>>84135571
he wouldn't
even his reluctance to time travel after cascade was preordained to avoid requiring such a conundrum to be solved
>>84135571
I'd guess that he can't time travel in the furthest ring, for the same reason why Jade can't use her space powers.
>>84135527
t. tipsy
>>84135485
What's wrong with >her having a dick?
>>84135621
I meant Paradox Space in the sense that 'There's a reality where you're from a doomed timeline and slated to die", as in everything not to do with the Alpha Timeline. That's the connotation I generally understand the word in.
Paradox Space/Doomed Timelines punish you with dead Daves. I don't recall a confirmation the Furthest Ring would ever do the same, like for instance if you time-cloned yourself 10 times and took all of yourselves out there.
>>84135630
He'd still be in the same temporal location. There are no 'timelines' in the furthest ring. So if you go back in time (Assuming that's possible) you're just going back in time. The original you and time-traveled you suddenly exist together and there's no way to reverse that. There's no timeline left behind but the future/past that exists.
>>84135649
the simplest answer is that there isn't two meteors, however there are ghosts in the bubbles who remember events that no longer happened due to retcons. post-retcon they essentially emerge fully formed with fake memories, with the caveat that there's no difference between real and fake anyway
>>84135704
hang on lemme see if this still works >her
Evening post for the people that didn't catch it earlier this morning: Phernalia all printed, currently figuring out how to do shipping and payments, more pictures on request or they'll pop up over the next 2 days on my Tumblr.
Any questions, feel free to ask.
>>84135744
nope, got patched out.
>>84135726
That's like the theory I personally subscribe too, I'm just trying to work through this other guy's theory.
I don't think it's just a matter of the ghosts having false memories. Everything in the dream bubbles is unaffected by retcons, or else (Vriska) would cease to exist.
>>84135752
just put them in a shoebox stuffed with tissues and put that in a proper shipping box
>>84135704
>>84135744
Fucking stop, my head feels like its full of pissed off bees from drinking so much and i dont want to fucking deal with all this shit
Just assume im a faker until tomorrow when i can think straight
>>84135752
Liveblogger has a penis
>>84135665
I mean theoretically.
>>84135693
I thought Jade couldn't use her green sun powers, not her space powers? She was still able to shrink John down so he could go to LOWAS.
>>84135717
Wasn't Aradia able to use her time powers in the furthest ring?
>>84135821
>She was still able to shrink John down so he could go to LOWAS.
right you are
never mind then
>>84133018
terezi
anger crabman
vriska
gamzee
kanaya and aradia didn't change much, nepeta's 2 minutes of exposure where much more pleasurable than her entire existence and everyone else simply dissappeared
>>84135799
>posting drunk
>>84135835
>responding to shitposters
>>84135835
>posting drunk
>is just about the best thing you can ever do
>>84135799
this isn't about you anymore, we're talking about best slime
>>84135649
>there isn't actually any difference between the rules in the furthest ring and inside of sessions
I disagree with this, but rather than go into detail,
>. The truth is, they can't change anything. Every corner of paradox space is predestined, including the sessions.
You've hit the nail on the head. The only thing majorly important to my theory is, some predestined instances in paradox space achieve creating the Green Sun. Some however don't. All instances exist spontaneously, and John moving through time to showcase that lends to the reader which instances are important to the viewer-narrative.
Lord English draws from the power of temporal locality itself when in succession with his will, including the Green Sun. His origin, his gridlocked feedback loops, everything that enables his stability.
The significance behind Viewer-John (Christ I've gotten to using that term) is he shows a timeline where the kids 'win' and help create a better universe. In this universe, that Calliope starts the 'Green Sun Destroyed' instance which exist alongside the 'Greensun Still in Existence' instance periods.
It's only significant to my theory because, although LE still exists and has a theoretical draw, his stability is compromised by these 'Not-All' static sessions existing. There are pockets in paradox space he didn't account for, where his rule isn't absolute, his loops didn't go accordingly and he was never summoned/empowered, ect. This is a threat to his omnipotence and indestructibility and allows for his potential, theoretical defeat in the end, atleast according to my proposed theory anyway.
>>84135835
please keep in mind liveblogger does not represent all drunkposters
i'm almost always drunk and i've never even misspelled anything, let alone started a debate about my genitals
For the record I've been erping
Just report the shitposter and stop giving them yous dumbasses
>>84135726
This was the premise I believed before Vriska and (Vriska) showed us that separate instances exists. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone could keep their memories as their entire past could disappear, even if they are a ghost. Something about that doesn't sit right with me.
>>84135821
I don't think she was. She teleported to the Green Sun via going through Jack, but never used time travel after. The closest to time powers she used was on LE in the final battle.
Instead of the yellow yard bullshit, the ship should have met up with the meteor for fun-times and davekat prevention
>>84135799
Please make sure to drink plenty of water to stay hydrated and have a good night's sleep
>>84135926
if you watch season 2 of The Flash a similar thing happens. the essence being that once you go outside time, the 'entry point' of you going outside time acts as a system restore point if you ever stop existing, every single thing about you including your memories is crystallized at that moment and is capable of acting as an autocthonic point of origin.
>>84135903
NIGGA DONT U KNOW I BE A LESBIAN TRANSNIGGER
OOOOOOOOO SHEEEIIITTTT
>>84135954
>without the yellow yard this is what would happen
Why is every girl into comics and vidya a tranny? Why do guys constantly chase out the real girls but accept the trannies?
>>84135652
10 seconds in paint
>>84136011
she's cute
>>84136011
I ain't even mad, I'm impressed
>>84136006
Nobody chases out the girls.
>>84136006
misogyny and homoeroticism
>>84135999
>instead of prospit kids going to the ship and derse kids going to meteor, Dave and Jade go in the golden ship while John and Rose stay in the meteor
And that's how the fifth square in the homestuck logo got made
>>84136053
No.
>>84135874
I get the feeling that maybe I didn't grok your theory completely but since it's based on universal predestination I don't think it's very satisfying in any case.
What if paradox space isn't static and unchangeable? What if it always returns to the same state after one period, but you can extend the loop? Let's assume that John can't make changes to the furthest ring but he can make changes inside of sessions. When he does that, he extends that session's loop by one cycle. So paradox space starts out with a period of one Green Sun creation and destruction. John inserts a retcon into the trolls' session which gives the session two different outputs, which it alternates between. This gives paradox space a period of 2 green sun cycles. If John inserted another retcon into a different session, the period would double to 4 green sun cycles. The period length of paradox space would be equal to the product of the number of outputs for every session, and John's retcons increase the number of outputs. The green sun acts like a synchronizing clock that keeps every session synced to the same clock tick, so every session has exactly one output per tick.
>retcons can't affect the furthest ring
>retcons can't affect dream bubbles
>>84136188
I'll affect Aradia's furthest ring, if you know what I mean
>retcons can't affect Hussie's integrity as a writer
>>84136188
>>84136198
But you see my good chap, those aren't retcons in the story itself, but rather retcons on the panels, outside of the story. Like how John teleported onto the site itself. Which is why no one notices any of the hands despite the numerous appearance of them.
>>84135999
>implying it won't happen anyway
>>84135752
By the way, is anybody interested in these things NOT in the U.S.? I need to know whether to look into such info if so.
>>84136111
Well, that would certainly throw a wrench in my theory absolutely, assuming it's true. If Paradox space truly is unbending, static and unchangeable, somehow so inevitable that there's not even any true causality between the Loops, and even something as monumental as the Green Sun's session is accounted for, well yeah there's no way to win. I don't like such a view however, since it requires such a massive stake in determinism and proposes Closed-Loops extend even beyond Session-Cycles.
My theory was based on a more optimistic view in that Loops cycle but don't 'revert' to the same cylinder nature as earlier fixed states. Their stability wears and lessens over time, i.e. it's possible that a loop following the Sun's destruction, it's re-created, but there are a few where it's not.
So you might have a period resulting in 2 Green Sun cycles, one created and one not. If LE's mastery over time is lucky, the next loop might be 3 Created, 1 Not, or it might reverse so it's recreated only once with 3 Not in the next Loop.
Because of John's retcons, the stability deteriorates and it's an algorithm of loss, where eventually you have the loops repeated to infinity but the surpluses of Green Sun's reaching minimal thresholds, like say 100 cycles with less than 1% continuing to recreate the Sun. It'll never be absolutely 0% because of the way it works but reach the borderline limit.
Anyway, in the larger scale of things, my theory proposes, that LE has a near-fixed mastery over everything and such a Universal Predestination DOES exist, one out put, tick-tock, with paradox space completely unchangeable.
But due to unaccounted for Ret-John's which come into play at some point, that Finality is broken, and LE's mastery isn't so complex that it can account for every retcon that throws his loops for a spin or gives uncertain outputs.
john, that crazy bitch saved your multiverse
so you were actually pretty fucking wrong
Is there any evidence at all that Rachel is still dating Hussie or even working at WP? Isn't she long gone? ipgd swears she isn't dating Hussie and he's old enough to be her father
>retcons didn't fix Karkat's character arc
>>84136356
We have no idea, it's complete radio silence on all ends.
>>84136343
this shit gives me so much whiplash
homestuck could have been so much more morally and thematically coherent if the retcon didn't happen
but then the retcon does happen and somehow vriska wasn't so dangerous after all, despite the story and John beating us over the head with how awful it would be to give her a modicum of power
>>84136343
No she was still a crazy fucking psychopath she just happened to be the who with the finger on the trigger nothing more
>>84136343
>JohnVris shippers
>>84136357
>the retcons actively removed all interactions and reconciliation he had with Terezi, and even him finally attempting to take down Gamzee
>instead we get Davekat and him taking down a single member of The Felt as a joke
Thanks Vriska
>>84136417
Ghost vris and ghost john were cute back when death actually meant anything
Again hussie shit the bed by bringing her back multiple times
>>84136356
She hasn't been seen or heard from in 11 months.
>>84135799
I don't think this is a very fun conversation if sober Tbh
>>84136343
How the fuck would he know that Vriska would magically become a whole different person if given just the right brain damage from just the right angle?
>>84136495
it worked for Goku
>>84136436
Hussie shit the bed by letting dreambubbles be real.
>>84136436
>>84136515
How many times can one man shit the bed before being forced to sleep in a pile of hay in a barn?
>>84136515
They were alright when they were Framed more as a flashback but once Feferi was able to heal the mayor death straight up stopped mattering
>>84136495
to be honest I'm not upset about that because John is being pretty reasonable
I'm upset that Vriska being the key to saving the day in the end completely negates any moral lesson we could have taken away from her being a "dangerous" person
The message we take away from this is that John's morality and his judgement mean nothing
The moral of Homestuck is that sometimes, giving power to dangerous people is the right thing to do
>>84136514
If the kids actually had access to a hyper gravity chamber and trained, could they have not fucked up in the GO timeline?
>>84136550
THEY POTENTIALLY FUCKING DID
AND HAD THE TIME TO
AND NOTHING IN THE 3-YEAR TRIP MATTERED
NOTHING IN THE 3-YEAR TRIP HAPPENED UNLESS WE THE VIEWER WERE THERE FOR IT
SO THE TIMESKIP WAS LIKE TOTAL FUCKING STASIS
>>84136550
eh, Dave could basically already do Naruto's bs shadow clone training technique if he wanted do by looping the same eight hour period over and over, alternating between training and sleeping, but he didn't
>>84136550
>rose, Dave, terezi, Kanaya, Karkat being proactive about their situation in any way shape or form
Maybe if john or slick had acces to it
>>84136550
that's pretty much what happened with Davesprite. He trained as much as possible, converted as much of the results into equipable loot, then went back and gave it all to dave
>>84136572
man that would be sick
like if he just went looking for an abandoned place somewhere on Jade's planet and stumbled upon the Dave Dojo
and it turns out there's 365 versions of himself there all training against each other over the period of a year
and they hand out ironic belt design rankings to each other
new stuff
>>84136701
You got a tumblr?
>>84136605
>dont fuck with me john i got a fruity rumpus belt in ecky thump and graduated top of the rainbow barf class at the davecore dave corps decor dojo
>i have undergone the most grueling training you can possible cram into a half minute montage and supped on black pudding of my own blood sweat and tears
>my calluses have calluses and those calluses are made of diamond
>now i can never fulfill my dream of become a world class masseuse
>my hands would rend your supple back asunder like pasty nerd tissue paper
>the ten ply ultrathin stuff that rips if the light bounces off it too hard that angels use to wipe their shoes after dancing a hallelujah jamboree on the head of a pin
>incidentally hallelujah jamboree on the head of a pin is the also the name of my finishing move
>patent pending
>>84136701
why do I feel these feelings for Jade
>>84136709
sure, it's lokiroki, i'm not very active on it now though
>>84136739
because she is the perfect waifu
>>84136011
Cute!
Damn good as always!
>>84136745
Did you shelve that dersecest?
>>84136809
yea, im not giving up on it, but for some reason i've been having issues drawing human nsfw lately
>>84136858
Take your time, I got no problems waiting amd that dave is a total cutie!
>>84136787
>W-when Liveblogger-san notices your shitty doodle and compliments it but then you realize she probably just misquoted you.
>>84136940
>W-when Liveblogger-san
fuck off
>>84136858
Why not just obscure the dong and leave em in lingere?
>>84136963
Who's this?
>>84136977
Anonymous
>>84136940
Don't stutter it makes you look like a bitch
And yes anon I do actually like you pic
>>84131829
VVhy, the regal dialect of ovr forefathers, of covrse.
>>84136977
papaya
Why does hussie and ipgd hate davejade
>>84137086
because they hate sincerity
>>84137086
It's straight.
>>84137086
not enough angst and selfloathing
>>84137086
Reminds him of betel and reminds her of betel
>>84136977
the cutest
>>84137261
i am?
>>84137274
I Believe He Was Referring To Me
>>84137320
impossible
I Just Defecated On The Floor Because I Forgot Where To Put It
I Don't Know Where To Go Now
Should I Move It
Does It Always Smell Like That
Am I Dying
Rose Help I Am Scared
>>84136973
Yea i guess that's always a possibility
>>84136895
Here's a sketch to hold you over
>>84137453
dang
>>84137453
>the lipstick marks all over
you're the best loki!
>they'll never be cute sisters together
>>84137518
How many different cat ears and toys do you think Jade has prepped for Dave
>>84137638
>GG: silly! im not your dogwife!
>GG: youre my cathusband ;D
>>84137705
So will they be kittens or puppies
>>84137853
Yes
>>84137515
alright im done for tonight
>>84137853
they'll be puppycats
>>84137515
POST THE FUCKING SAUCE
>>84137853
Babies
>>84137882
WEW
E
W
God bless Loki
>>84137903
faustsketcher
>>84137904
Boring
>>84137904
so many babies
FOURHUNDRED BABIES
>self-insert myself as Karkat, because I am a loser manlet who has no talents, no friends and get constantly depressed and bullied all the time, if I stand up for myself people will see me as a psychopath who throws tard tantrums
>Hussie tells me I should get fucked by a gay chad, because I am this fucking worthless in life
>"dude just bee urself, a giant fucking snake will tell u how you will b president of world :)"
>I am a fucking 24 year old virgin loser who can't even be good at video games with my shit laptop nor have I vidya skill at all
>>84138025
Karkat has tons of friends though. You're even more pathetic than Karkat. How does that feel?
>>84138006
Jade and Dave will stop at three
>>84138041
>Jade
>stopping
>not using her space powers to give herself an n-dimensional fractal womb
it's babies all the way down
>>84138059
Jade wants a tight knit family of fuzzy pups, not an army
>>84138077
too late. we dogscape now
>>84138037
crying (vriska).gif
>>84138101
Too late? Jade hasn't even had one kid yet
>>84138112
it has already begun
>>84138103
Even worse than (Vriska) too, nerd.
>>84138131
It hasn't even started, she's not even pregnant
>>84138151
it hasn't happened yet, but it is 'will have going to have been happened' happened
>>84138163
It's not gonna happen. They'll have one litter that Jade will fawn over and that's it
Someone do a Hussie version.
>>84138025
self insert as caliborn instead then, easy
>>84138270
oh wait you dont want to do that because trying to be like caliborn requires you to 'work'
>>84138220
Jade needs that kind of happiness
>>84138292
Real Life Caliborn is just CWC
But man, even Chris released like 20 issues of his infamous Comic, hand drawn. That's more than most can say for themselves
what did they meme by this
>>84138448
>not wearing pants on a beanbag chair
To what end?
>>84138612It's not a beanbag chair.It's her ass.
>>84138643
Ass fat doesn't work like that.
>>84138643
>it's her ass
To what end
>>84138651
Prove it.
>>84138651
nah it totally does.
I once saw a documentary where a surgeon had to literally trim flesh off a woman's ass because she was so large and had spent so much time sitting on it that the skin had hardened into that exact shape. Not as exaggerated of course but very similar.
she had been sitting in a pool of ass. for years on end.
>>84138683
Her rear one
>>84138025
Should've gone with Tavros, bro. }:^)
>>84136575
>tavros, motivational friend supreme, trained his jousting skills in his free time despite being in a fucking wheelchair
if he'd been on the meteor he would have probably convinced them to train a little.
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