Is /co/ ready for Jason and Artemis?
Because I am ready.
>>83957198
>bullying Jason like she's his big sister
Artemis is cute. CUTE!
>>83957198
I'm ready for Lobdell to leave.
>>83957198
>Artemis will never bully you
>>83957198
Hell yeah I'm ready.
Ready for it to be shit.
>>83957198
>interesting premise
>characters that can grow
>probably decent art
>terrible writer
Replace Lobdell with broken chair and we'll get less narration boxes.
>>83957286
Look how happy she is.
>>83957198
>Either chill or over the top edgy Jason
>Good strong guy but dumb Bizarro
>Straightman Artemist
>Lobdell
ALL HOPE IS LOST
>>83957349
Speaking as a Jason fan I've given up all hope of ever being free of him, the way DC managed to crush my hope at the rebirth announcements was pretty impressive..
>>83957198
Why are Shatterstar and Deadpool fighting?
>>83957386
> she will never pin you against the wall and grope you, while mocking you for your weak and soft physique
Red Hood and the Outlaws rebirth preview
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>>83958619
It's kinda weird that it's a flashback and they are using the current batmobile.
>>83958656
>>83958682
Variant cover
>>83957198
I'm too. The series will be fantastic.
>>83958704
>lobdell
Doubt
>>83958699
Red Hood and the Outlaws #1
>>83958715
Variant cover
>>83958715
THE STUPID FUCKING HELMET
>>83958682
I wonder did Batman pay for food with Goth Card.
>>83958715
Bizarro is an outlaw now?
>>83958619
>stealing batman's tires
he was never a smart kid
>>83958733
>Interviewer: Well I'm very glad to hear that you're going to continue telling the stories of Jason Todd. I feel that you have a good grasp of the character.
>Scott Lobdell: Thank you. I know that when he was first announced a few years ago everybody was kind of expecting him to be, you know, the angry Jason Todd. Angry against Batman. But by the time I got the book I felt that story had been told. Part about this though is that when we first met Roy and Jason they were already besties. In this series Jason is going to be meeting Artemis and he's going to be meeting Bizarro for the first time. And at the beginning he's kinda determined that their not going to be friends, their not going to be teammates. He sees them as a gun and a knife. Just part of his utility belt as it were.
>And over time he's going to start to get soft because Artemis considers Bizarro an abomination because he has no soul. He's just this thing that was created. And Jason has been dead and has come back. He's going to be going through something when he's not even sure how much of him came back. Does he have a soul? Maybe he does. Is it still in the Lazarus? Is it somewhere? He's going to find himself getting closer to Bizarro because he's going to feel them as kindred spirits. So that's some of the stuff that's going to be happening and the dynamics between the group.
>>83958841
Would the Batmobile even be able to squeeze into a drive through?
>>83958941
>Interviewer: One of the themes you have explored with that relationship between Jason Todd and Roy Harper has been the comradely and their friendship. So it sounds like you're setting it up where Jason Todd doesn't want that with these characters but it happens in spite of that. And I feel like that's really relatable to our relationships in the world. Situations we're put in where we think one way, we're closed minded and it turns out to be totally the opposite.
>Scott Lobdell: I live in a big apartment building that's 400 units and I can't tell you how many times I can't somebody I see. I see him at the mailbox I see him like two, three days. I'm like "I can't stand this person." And then we're walking through the hall, we're in the elevator, I start talking. I'm like "ah my god what a great person." You get this world view of people around you and it's so often wrong. And so I think Jason, who when you really think about Jason he's not a guy who's had time for a lot of friendships.
>He started out essentially homeless and then he moved into a mansion with Bruce who wasn't the most warmest guy. And the ancient Alfred who kind of waited on him so he didn't have the Teen Titans he didn't have a lot of experiences where he could bond with people. By taking away Roy and Kori and putting him with two other characters--who again--people would always comment how Kori was kind of an upgrade in terms of power to the two of them. And now we have Jason in the center of essentially a Wonder Woman and a Superman. He's kind of this underdeveloped Batman, I guess would be a way nicely putting it.
>>83958993
>Scott Lobdell: So it will be interesting to see him going from the--I want to say leader. I have to tell you I hate, even when I was writing X-Men years ago people would say "who's the leader?" I would say "what? Do we really need a leader?" If there's a fire and we all ran out I don't think we'd all be "wait let's see what Bob Harris says about it."I don't really think of--even though it's called Red Hood and the Outlaws--I don't perceive it as him being the leader of a team of outlaws. I mean it's just him and these two people. Their going to grow up together and come to appreciate each other.
>Interviewer: You've had really some great artists you've worked with on the propriety up until this point.
>Scott Lobdell: Yep.
>Interviewer: Who's the artist you're working with?
>Scott Lobdell: Dexter Soy who's been doing the last few issues of Red Hood/Arsenal. He's really good. It's funny because I think over the years I found out that sometimes after you bring an artist into a run go back "I like when this artist was doing art", "I like this take", where as when you get an artist and you let him start on a series people notice him for the first time.
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>>83958656
The art is pretty good. Who drew this? Also, is that tool Lobdell writing it?
>>83958875
I bet someone's right arm Black Mask will try to sell Bizarro and RH will rescue him.
>>83958965
>all of sudden building transforms so Batmobile can pass freely
Never doubt power of preptime.
>>83958715
who this artist?
>>83959051
>The art is pretty good. Who drew this?
Guy who did Mortal Kombat, Dexter Soy.
>Also, is that tool Lobdell writing it?
Guess.
>>83959072
Cam Smith and Giuseppe Camuncoli are doing the covers.
Dexter Soy is the main artist.
Matteo Scalera is doing the variants.
>>83959225
thanks boss
>>83959107
>pic related
Still the only worthwhile moment in the entirety of that shitty comic.
>>83958711
Lobdell has been always really good while writing Jason. Most of the flaws found in both RHATO and RHA are mostly due editorial interference.
I like the idea but no hope with Lobdell writing
Im liking rebirth but man there is some disappointing shit
>Green arrow full of shitty political commentary
>Red hood keeping awful writer
>supergirl getting blacked for no good reason
>more multiple superman fuckery
>and worst of all pic related
>>83958682
Would love to see Batman doing more stuff like this.
>>83959403
>Green arrow full of shitty political commentary
literally nothing wrong with this
>>83959468
It's lame
>>83959403
>not wanting super girl to be fucked by bbc and becoming a black cock slut
>>83959403
>>Green arrow full of shitty political commentary
How new are you?
>>83959403
>>Green arrow full of shitty political commentary
Yeah, how awful. woe is you
>>83959606
It's in character.
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>>83960048
idgaf. Political commentary is inherently stupid in comics.
>>83959403
>>Green arrow full of shitty political commentary
They actually did it pretty well, I think:
>Oliver: I '''am''' a Social Justice Warrior.
>Canary: WTF? You're a rich able white man, check your privilege.
>Oliver: Which is why I'm using my money and abilities to actually make a difference, instead of having a pity party at a rock concert.
'Twas nice.
>>83957349
Fuck no, he's an absolute shit writer contained to absolute shit character. There's literally nothing wrong with it other than the fact that Soy's being wasted.
>>83960092
Nigga pls. Go read some Mike Grell Green Arrow
>>83960092
>>83960187
I may disagree with his politics, but Ollile has been a bleeding heart progressive liberal for ages now, it's not that big of a shock.
>>83957198
I'll only be excited for this if Lobdell can choose and stick to a tone and overarching theme. Also, if editorial lets him develop the series properly instead of forcing him into every bat crossover. Then I could see this series as being ok. He isn't as awful as /co/ says, but he'll let the editors dictate everything and any hope of an ok story will disappear. Then it'll be Teen Titians all over again.
>>83960696
>Also, if editorial lets him develop the series properly instead of forcing him into every bat crossover.
He's not in that Kaiju crossover. Which is fucking idiotic, you have Amazon and Bizarro and you don't use them to punch out monsters.
>>83960719
I think that is an issue of time. By September when it starts RHaTO will only have two issues, not enough time to set up the plot. It's the same reason they're not including Batgirl also.
Is this Artemis completely different from young justice version?
>>83960696
Well, Rhato isn't going to be in the upcoming Batman crossover and I hope that we get a good editor this time because Lobdell is indeed not as bad as some people think he is.
>>83960844
this is an amazon, not an archer
>>83960810
Oh, right. I forgot RHatO begins in September. Shame, really. This cast would fit in Kaiju war perfectly.
>>83960844
This is Amazon and used to be Wonder Woman.
>>83960919
>I forgot RHatO begins in September.
RHATO Rebirth is out next month
>>83960092
>stop making me think, my tiny brain hurts!!!
kys
What if itsgood?
>>83962791
Who knows? It might suprise us.
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>>83958682
But the question is: Does he have the white streak?
>>83962791
I mean Dogfucker's book is good so you never know, but I doubt it
>>83960844
this is why we need to split the board and cast out cartoonfags
>>83957198
Poor Artemis, first she gets all but replaced by Aleka in Wonder Woman's book
And now she's doomed to Lobdell
>>83958589
>Red Hood and the Outlaws Rebirth: Lobdell's Dark Trinity and Revised Origin Edition black and white preview
ftfy
>>83958941
>He's just this thing that was created
Bizarro is from Bizarro would though.
>>83964274
>Poor Artemis, first she gets all but replaced by Aleka in Wonder Woman's book
If Lobdell has even half a functioning braincell, he'll have so they're the same character. Which, really, they are. Aleka and Artemis are near identical save for Aleka being noticeably swoler. Otherwise they hit the exact same character beats.
Really it seems like the name was changed to avoid confusion with the goddess Artemis. Which is stupid since nobody ever had a problem telling them apart, and especially won't mistake the beefy ginger with the purple-skinned biker chick.
>>83957198
I'm hoping Artemis gets KRYPTONED.
But seriously though, this book despite the possible entertaining cast is doomed by being written by Scott Lobdell and so thusly belongs in the trash.
>>83966402
Nah
>>83958661
Thta's not the current one though. The current one is more blocky and angular, this one is more rounded.
Also
>Batmobile design
>consistent
No Starfire or Arsenal??
>>83959403
>>Red hood keeping awful writer
Lobdell should have just been fired.
>>83966427
You have more faith in Lobdell than I do, I suppose.
Would be nice if he proved me wrong but I severely doubt it.
>>83960399
Yeah it's true to the character and that's what Rebirth is about. I don't know how good it will turn out in the end, but it's not ruining GA or anything.
>>83966904
Nope. Roy's in Titans and Starfire's in Teen Titans.
>>83957621
>we will never have an ongoing book with full edgelord jason being forced to team up with-
>tfw I can't think of a DC character who is an embodiment of all that is good and is still 100% pure or is impossible to make edgy
I thought it was shatterstar from the x force in all his androgynous bi sex glory
How convoluted Artemis origin will end up beyond? I think Donna Troy will finally have a contender.
>>83959316
>Lobdell has been always really good while writing Jason.
That's a huge lie and you know it. He ruined the character potential. I was a fan of the character and I HATE EVERYTHING HE DID WITH THE CHARACTER!
>>83960696
>He isn't as awful as /co/ says, but he'll let the editors dictate everything and any hope of an ok story will disappear.
I'm sick already of this defense. Everything stupid or awful Lobdell does shifted to the editors. Every bad idea that he has is not his. Everything come from the editors. Even when he says that it was his.
>>83967488
Not at all. If Aleka really bit the dust, it'll just be a rehash of her own miniseries where she had a stint as a demon prince's general and came back to life by literally crawling out of her own grave. Because comic books.
>>83967488
Just look at what Lobdell did to Cassie
>Thief who stole anti-Trigon dominatrix armor that is invisible
>Never actually wanted to be called Wonder Girl
>But just so happens to have a lasso and other Wonder Woman like powers
>Daughter of the Demigod Lennox even though that has fuckall to do with the Silent Armor
>Also the armor is sentient and takes over her body sometimes
>>83967530
What potential? Before Lobdell the only thing Jason did was endlessly bitch about Bruce and being a self centered asshole.
Lobdell gave him a characterization beyond that and a place within the DCU
>>83967635
For example?
Editors forced the crossovers, wasted the Untitled on Tynion, nixed his plans of replacing Kori and Roy with Crux and Rose, forced on him Hellspont and Joker's Daughter
>>83967635
Why is there any defence for him? Every comic of his I've read has been bad on every single level. The ideas, execution, characters, tone, the progression of the plot. Everything just feels terrible. This isn't even wasted potential, or bad execution. Everything about his writing is bad.
>>83967715
Are you sure? Because Lobdell could have kept Nu52 Superboy's origin simple by just rehashing what came before, but instead he turned the character into Stryfe.
>>83967755
>What potential? Before Lobdell the only thing Jason did was endlessly bitch about Bruce and being a self centered asshole.
Jason had potential after Judd Winick's run, but that was fucked by Jones and Daniel. Then Morrison took the character, did his thing and by the end of it Jason had a reneal potential where he and Scarlet could end up as a crime-fighting duel of messed up anti-heroes.
Instead we ended up with a Mortal Kombat character who quips and shoot stuffs up.
>Lobdell gave him a characterization beyond that and a place within the DCU
His characterization sucks, his new background for the character is cringe-worthy and the stories he wrote were terrible. What place the character has in the DCU? Nothing about the character works. He's like Harley Quinn now, where he only works if other writers ignore everything Lobdell did with him.
>Editors forced the crossovers
What about the stories where there is no cross-over? They're still awful.
>wasted the Untitled on Tynion
The Untitled and All-Caste are terrible concepts. Easily the worst thing ever created for Jason. Jason was better off as a tentacle monster than as a magical ninja.
>nixed his plans of replacing Kori and Roy with Crux and Rose
Thank God, i don't want to see Rose ruined too.
>forced on him Hellspont and Joker's Daughter
Hellspont was always Lobdell's baby. Superman Annual was only good thanks to Nicieza influence.
>>83967761
>Why is there any defence for him?
Lobdell fans - yes, he has fans - defend him by shifting blame and saying that people only dislike his comics because they were ruined by the editors.
>>83967744
IS THIS REAL
So which one fucked Jason in the past in some and adventure or another?
Artemis or Bizarro?
>>83967744
Why were all of the teen titans terrible people?
>>83968133
Artemis is a hot long haired redhead like Starfire but nobody cares about her so she'll be the one that fucked him in the past somehow.
>>83966046
New 52 is over, friend
>>83968184
Lobdell can't escape the 90's, so all young people are smug snarky shitheads. Bunker was only different because he based the character on his IRL friend.
>>83968190
No Bizarros love? It'd be funny if Jason and Bizarro had some past romantic relationship making them bicker constantly about the past and how Jason ruined things.
>>83967412
>ho is an embodiment of all that is good and is still 100% pure or is impossible to make edgy
Billy fucking Batson.
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>>83968184
Even Rebirth couldn't save them
>>83968497
remember when Johns shat on Lobdell and dc for what they did to Superboy?
good times.
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>>83958733
I like this art...I like this concept...I like this book
>>83960046
I've always hated that page.
>Guy: "How come you never help the Black skins!."
>Hal:"Fuck you old man, I face universal threats on a weekly basis. Sorry if I don't have time to help you deal with your fucking landlord!"
>>83957198
This book doesn't need a Rebirth when there was nothing good about it in the first place.
>>83970595
To be honest family, Green Lantern/Green Arrow has not aged very well at all.
I'm so y Artemis is finally getting some love again. In fact, I'm happy ANY Wonder Woman character is getting love. They feel so underused that it's downright criminal.
I wonder if it'll be Aleka's new identity. It wasn't really confirmed whether she died or not.
>>83970516
Get ready to get Lobdelled.
>>83967934
>Then Morrison took the character, did his thing and by the end of it Jason had a reneal potential where he and Scarlet could end up as a crime-fighting duel of messed up anti-heroes.
You mean the same Scarlett that Morrison wrote off after her debut arc? And face it, Pill helmet Jason was a doomed direction since the start. The guy simply couldn't exist in the same universe as the rest of the batfamily and being unable to kill any major profile villian would make him pointless
>His characterization sucks, his new background for the character is cringe-worthy and the stories he wrote were terrible. What place the character has in the DCU? Nothing about the character works. He's like Harley Quinn now, where he only works if other writers ignore everything Lobdell did with him.
Being a mystical ninja fits perfectly to his character and helps him to standout between his brothers. His niche is being the bat able to do the dirty work and during DC You a hero for hire. Only the Superman office writers knew how to handle hi, every appearance of his in the Batman books was terrible
>What about the stories where there is no cross-over? They're still awful.
All the stories are solid from start to beginning. They only suffer when editorial starts seeping in like the whole thing with the venom addiction or Hellspont.
>The Untitled and All-Caste are terrible concepts. Easily the worst thing ever created for Jason. Jason was better off as a tentacle monster than as a magical ninja.
Wrong. The All Caste in particular are a fantastic addition to his character
>Hellspont was always Lobdell's baby.
You forget that Hellspont was introduced by Jurgens and not even once was used by Lobdell during his run in Superman.
>>83966046
Nope, Lex's clone.
>>83968311
>Billy
>impossible to make edgy
But they did anon.
Billy's better with his family anyway.
>>83970595
>>83971446
>And face it, Pill helmet Jason was a doomed direction since the start. The guy simply couldn't exist in the same universe as the rest of the batfamily and being unable to kill any major profile villian would make him pointless
Nu52 Red Hood still goes around killing bad guys and he hasn't killed anyone of worth.
>Being a mystical ninja fits perfectly to his character and helps him to standout between his brothers.
No, it doesn't. RED HOOD: THE LOST DAYS is a far superior origin and backstory.
>Superman office writers knew how to handle hi, every appearance of his in the Batman books was terrible
His appearances in Superman comics were terrible and cringe-worthy. He was Coldsteel tier. Being shipped with Supergirl didn't helped any.
His appearances in the Batman comics were a lot better, because writers wrote him as normal dude and a huge ass.
>All the stories are solid from start to beginning.
They're awful.
>The All Caste in particular are a fantastic addition to his character
It was a terrible addition. It's a mix of Nanda Parbat with Azarath, but with none of the charm.
Nu52 Red Hood is a terrible and cringe-worthy character and Scott Lobdell haven't done a good arc since the New 52.
>>83973475
>Nu52 Red Hood still goes around killing bad guys and he hasn't killed anyone of worth.
He doesn't
Not counting aliens or the Untitled in Colorado Jason has only killed in the following issues
1: The Kandaqh Mercs that captured Roy
8: Suzie Zu (and he even offered her to let her walk away a third time)
9: Xiao Loong by request of the man himself
TT 16: The Joker decoy
32: The terrorists trying to nuke Washington
36: The mercs hopped up in Venom
In RH/A he has only killed Pallete in issue 1 and the Iron Rule in issue 13. In more than fifity issues Jason has only killed in 8. And he doesn't kill at all in crossovers
>No, it doesn't. RED HOOD: THE LOST DAYS is a far superior origin and backstory.
Lost Days is just a shitty fanfic shilling Jason and going through the exact same motions by six issues. Is fun the firts read but it comes apart in following readings
>His appearances in Superman comics were terrible and cringe-worthy. He was Coldsteel tier. Being shipped with Supergirl didn't helped any.
His characterization in the B/S annual was fantastic and his cameo in Supergirl actually sunked the ship so I don't know what the fuck are you talking
In the Batman books Jason is just there, either drinking like there's no tomorrow or acting like your stereotypical bad boy without any depth or nuance
>It was a terrible addition. It's a mix of Nanda Parbat with Azarath, but with none of the charm.
Says you. Ducra is a fantastic mentor and helped to give Jason the maturity he so sorely needed.
>Nu52 Red Hood is a terrible and cringe-worthy character and Scott Lobdell haven't done a good arc since the New 52.
The DOTF tie ins were fantastic. the second Annual was tons of fun and the whole Joker's Daughter arc was pure gold
