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>>83857469
Eridan sort of disappointed me as a character. I always thought his plans to kill the lowbloods were ironic and that he wasn't actually unstable.
Goddammit why are there two threads.
>>83857462
>>83857524
Lack of coordination on an anonymous message board.
>>83857524
Stop shilling your thread, the reply counts have proven that Eri thread is best thread.
>>83857524
They were made within 20 seconds of each other that's why. I vote for this one.
>>83857506
I disagree - I thought that the whole "higher blood castes are prone to violent behavior and such" turning out to be true was pretty cool, and was one of the few alien things about the trolls that remained that way.
>>83857648
You're the Anon who never read Harry Potter but had each House described to them in 2 adjectives, right?
other thread is kill, eridan thread master race
>>83857648
why is homestuck so full of weenies
>>83857665
>"higher blood castes are prone to violent behavior and such"
When was this ever brought up? I don't remember hearing that anywhere.
>>83857648
STOP DOING THIS.
Plus Gamzee should be in the Griffen thing.
>>83857524
I deleted it.
>Pages are autistic
I don't believe it. Tavros and Horuss aren't autists.
Did anyone post this in leddit yet?
Speculation on Bard of Void. I can't make two bits of sense about how this classpect works.
>>83857648
This SO is clearly bullshit in its entirety
>>83857729
It's funny to me how wrong you are.
>>83857729
What is this image depicting? Vriska accidentally mixing sugar with her daily breakfast of pure salt?
>>83857758
they are weenies and believe they are taking hard drugs and not just sugar
>>83857648
>Caliborn
>Not in Gryffindor
>>83857648
Where did you get these sprites from?
Is it justifiable to not redeem some characters who are total weenies?
Guys, what is this whole stff you were saying that Kanaya had sex with Karkat to make the forge work?
>>83857921
He cried while it was happening
>>83857740
you allow the destruction of nothing, or allow destruction through nothing.
if you want to get metaphorical, void is censorship and secrets, so a bard of void makes it so whoops everyone's spilling their hentai out of their sleeves and whoops everyone's just bugging everyone else out, destroying secrets, destroying through secrets, now everyone's fighting because person A: likes futa and person B: likes straight shota.
on the other hand, literal void destruction, you're right, i have no fucking idea.
>>83857697
I'll be perfectly honest - without going back and finding the exact page for you, I couldn't tell you whether that was stated canon or just heavily supported theory. I just remember it being stated "somewhere" that the higher you go up the caste system, the more violent / psychotic / tyrannical and so on you get.
I mean compare Tavros, Aradia, Nepeta, and Karkat to Vriska, Equius, murderstuck Gamzee, and Eridan.
Feferi was a noted exception because she rejected the tyranny, and even then I think there were plenty of examples where she snapped at people. Equius I think mentioned how Gamzee was a disgrace for not being more violent and tryannical. And Equius himself stated he would be far worse if it wasn't for Nepeta.
One thing I never did figure out was the difference between the sea trolls and land trolls. Are the sea trolls literally the highest two castes (with Feferi being the only one of her color?). How many Eridans were out there in the ocean in order to make an actual rivalry between the two races?
>>83857953
Yeah, but out of nowhere they had to have sex for the forge to work?
>>83857921
No, we said Jade had sex with DAVE to relight the forge
>>83857993
the forge is really just a giant penis and skaia's an egg
>>83857988
Pretty sure it's fact.
>>83857740
>>83857969
Homebrew Anon here, when I get around to it I'm planning to make it a Gravity Well function.
Because you're passively inviting the destruction of "Nothing," you are destroying the voids between you and your target. They can't escape because slowly you're gravitating towards them.
>>83858010
So, forge needs sex to work?
... I'm okay with that!
>>83858022
>the tadpole is a sperm
>the battlefield is an egg
>>83857988
Aradia is pretty violent. I mean her Zodiac sign is Aries for crying out loud. It doesn't seem heavily supported to me when we'd only seen 12 trolls at that point. It must have been a fandom theory because I read the comic for the first time recently and the Eridan murders completely blindsided me.
>>83858029
Do you remember which Act it was mentioned in?
Karkat's feet.
>>83858058
yes
"breeding duties" can be taken three ways
Hey.
So part one of a beach fic epilogue got posted on pastebin, somewhere.
I think you guys should go read it.
>>83858042
That works too, although it could also equally apply to a Bard of Space.
>>83857988
There's also the ancestors backstory, where the reason why Alternia now holds only children who are drafted off-planet into the army when they reach enlistment age is because The Summoner got fed up with the highblood domination and rallied his own army of lowbloods in revolution.
>>83858067
they smell :x
I made a tumblr for the artwork I've done - a couple of people were asking if there was anywhere where they could see the lands I've drawn, so now there is.
http://paradoxlands.tumblr.com/
>>83858042
prince of space needs to be able to do something like the handsomeone comparing prince of space to za hando a few years back is actually how i got into jojo
>>83858058
He didn't see that one coming.
>>83857988
There's a bunch of Eridans out there in the ocean. He even kills one and its lusus. You have to remember that they live for hundreds of years, like Elves.
>>83858138
Yea I have no idea what The Hand is capable of because I haven't seen Jojo. Mind explaining what this Stand does?
>>83858064
http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Troll
Think it's said in here. I'm a little busy so I can't do it myself.
>>83858138
yeah that's one of the comparisons i agree with, the prince of space can 100% do the hand
>>83858166
it's so weird that trolls hit maturity at the same age and yet have such radically different lifespans
okay so i finished this davejade fic, where am I supposed to paste it?
Is it even safe, is the davekat janitor around?
>>83858203
completely erases whatever its right hand hits when it's swung
this includes the space between objects, meaning it can be used to drag things towards you or drag yourself towards things
>>83858064
http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Hemospectrum
You'll have to find comic links yourself, but the "Biological Aspects" section of this mentions that it was Equius who gave us the highblood = more murderous lore.
>>83857841
http://nepeta.mozai.com/shippingwall2.91.swf
Have fun.
>>83858251
>You'll have to find comic links yourself
You mean the wiki doesn't have a link to the comic for me? Man that's totally useless to me then. I don't trust uncited comments on the wiki. Thanks for trying to be helpful though.
>>83858064
Aradia haunted Vriska with spooky ghosts since she crippled her friend.
It was only when she got a robot body filled with Equius's blue crazy blood that she actually flies over and beats Vriska to death / rips out her own heart / bangs Equius.
>>83858117
You mean as a means of creating a land / sea rivalry, or just demonstrating the differences in the castes?
>>83858166
It just seems weird that Eridan considers himself nobility if he's one in thousand, and still thinks he can take out the nobility of Gamzee's and Equius' bloodcastes (not to mention all the rest of them).
>>83858244
Too early, you can post it now probably
postem
>>83858244
Also, people use pastebins and archiveofourown
You can post in one of those.
>>83858332
http://pastebin.com/GLyPi8dP
Alright. Dave/Jade, baby cuteness
no idea how well i did on this one, was kind of awkward to write
>>83858245
Okay thanks. I read a bit about it and I don't think the Prince of Space's abilities would have this feature though: "It should also be noted that space erasure also gives surrounding objects an unexplained force pushing them towards the center of the eliminated space while the said void is being filled by the surrounding dimension."
That doesn't make sense for the Prince of Space in my opinion since it doesn't make much sense in terms of physics.
>>83858404
yeah, but the prince of space can teleport himself towards things or teleport things towards him by destroying the space between them.
>>83858404
What matters is Prince of Space, like all space players, get to have sex!
>>83858329
>It just seems weird that Eridan considers himself nobility if he's one in thousand
For an entire planet? Nobility isn't the same as royalty. It does seem like they'd be majorly outnumbered, though.
>>83858329
Demonstrating that the highbloods were oppressive, violent and malicious enough to motivate the Nitram of the time into fighting back. The lowbloods presumably just sat there and took it until he stepped up; if the lowbloods were equally susceptible to violent tyrannical tendencies then there probably wouldn't have been the power imbalance in the first place, they would have fought back immediately.
>>83858446
> Prince
> breeding duties
"I'M GONNA WRECK IT!"
>>83858446
Now I'm excited.
>>83858389
acceptable
>>83858389
not bad at all
>>83858435
>teleport himself towards things or teleport things towards him
Wouldn't it be literally both at the same time? There should be no way to differentiate between the two if I'm understanding this ability, because all the frames of reference are destroyed.
>>83858529
Why aren't these sluts barefoot?
>>83858477
There was the whole spiel about how the empresss used the seadwellers to get in conflict with the highbloods then had then focus on the caste below them, plus the nuclear option of gluby
>>83858332
Wow, is that really a thing people get banned for?
>>83858555
Yes.
Even if it's SFW
>>83858530
True. Maybe it's a gravitational thing - the distance along a line they are is relative to their mass, so a prince trying to teleport himself to a clone will end up halfway, but a prince trying to teleport himself to a grain of sand will just pull the sand along and nudge him a little.
>>83858389
alright so now where's the petplay one
>>83858555
Yeah, it's happened to me a few times.
Really sucks
>>83858107
Got a link?
>>83858064
>. I mean her Zodiac sign is
NO
NO
CUT THAT SHIT OUT
>>83858601
I'll work on it later, for now just enjoy the puppy one
>>83858609
Yo, waht's this Ave Breath story in your pastebin supposed to be in the future? ProspitcestX4? John/Jade?
>>83857648
I don't understand why you fucks always put Gamzee in Slytherin. Just because he's a bad guy doesn't make him Slytherin material.
For that matter, Damara as well. Slytherin is the AMBITION house. If you serve bad guys and just generally chill, you do not belong in the AMBITION house. Eridan goes there as well, the Draco wannabee.
Jane probably gets sorted there as well, even if she doesn't do much.
John is an Aries
What does it mean???
>>83858613
I get banned for links.
google "Shenaniganon pastebin", I'm there
>>83858666
Arajohn canon
>>83858672
Fuck I forgot that was actually a thing that happens now, christ it's stupid.
>>83858664
How is Gamzee not extremely ambitious? He's very Slytherin. He would do anything for his religion.
>>83858664
Crabbe and Goyle were useless minions, and they went there
>>83858672
Isn't posting in blackie spoiler tags enough to avoid getting banned?
>>83858666
N O T H I N G
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>>83858389
>DAVE: main thing is that they laugh at anything if you say it in the right tone of voice
>DAVE: watch
>DAVE: communism
>DANA: ehehehe
>DAVE: see
>JADE: thats a terrible example though! everyone even babies know that communism is a total joke
nice
>>83858708
One day things will be better. For now post some DaveJade.
>>83858664
The idea of Gamzee getting sorted into Slytherin before going sober and everyone wondering how the fuck this chill, friendly stoner ended up there is too good to pass up.
>>83858714
He's really just a puppet for LE. He has no free will.
>>83858630
The trolls are inspired by their zodiac signs, whether you like it or not. It's clear in every single case.
>>83858658
Its the basic idea for a Post-SBURB set of fics I've been kicking around. SFW and not terribly shippy outside of John/Roxy but c'mon that
s a gimme. The first story will be mostly Prospit kid funtimes, including John and Jane's prank war John and Jake going on a National Treasure-inspired adventure.
>>83858723
hahahaha....
no.
>>83858064
>her Zodiac sign is Aries
So that's why she's constantly on fire and usually the person to initiate action, vibrant and full of life.
Don't invoke the astrology game if you don't know the rules, c'mon. that'd be like if I said "well the name is Park so it's no wonder you get $200 every time you walk past."
>>83858389
can you please make a pastebin account
so i can see all godstuck
>>83858744
>>83858251
Actually that was really helpful after all.
>>83858664
The problem with Gamzee is it's not clear what he's actually like. Is his ruthless, subjuggulator side actually how he would have acted without sopor or without LE's existence? Or was he actually chilled out, aided by the sopor slime to comedic levels and his situation as a purple blood forcing the ruthlessness and aggression on him.
>>83858798
source me source me say that you'll source me
>>83858762
What? Please explain. I'm under the impression that he did everything of his own free will. Kurloz certainly never used his powers to control him.
>>83858769
aradia is full of life
>>83858744
Can't say no to that I suppose.
>>83858769
>Look at me I can cherrypick so I must be right
>>83858766
Yes they are. They still don't follow actual astrology tho. Sure you can hamfist it in there but Hussie did not make the comic with that in mind. He's a nerdy white virgo all too preoccupied with real things like equations n systems n shit.Oh and ruining a comic.
>>83858784
delete this!!!!
>>83858821
They're both just conduits to LE. Nothing more nothing less.
>>83858767I've seen a few stream and mega links that were untouched by putting a break midway through the link, but for a pastebin link I suppose an informed post about any updates would be the safer option.
>>83858784
>filename
Hurtful.
Ah yes
An entire volume of banal remixes phoned in by tired has-beens capitalizing on a comic they stopped reading ages ago
Volume 10 is everything this series deserves as a musical sendoff
>>83858897
It's true
And I usually find out it's right
Like maybe someone out there isn't a bad person but when you say that to me at that point you're basically fighting an uphill battle
Look at this boy's slutty feet. He's showing them off for the world!
>>83858459
Yeah, that makes sense. I guess there was always a disconnect between how "noble /royal" Equius and Gamzee was as compared to Eridan (Feferi is a given of course). Although now I just imagine several hundred Eridans all vying for the attention of Feferi. No wonder she wanted to bail out of that for some mustard dick.
>>83858477
True, especially considering the frequency of psychic abilities among lowbloods. They were more sane, which seems to be almost a detriment in Scratch designed Alternia.
>>83858268
I need to make one of these, because I have serious Condy shipping issues.
>>83858816http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1433204#search=aradia_megido%20equius_zahhak
>>83858904
>banal
I'm really surprised that that's how you feel.
>>83858803
that's like asking what your personality would be like without any of the external factors that influenced the development of your personality
>>83858926
WHY IS HE PINK
>>83858922
Davepeta meant that Davesprite's psyche got to reach a point of happiness.
>>83858926
stealing karkat's shoes so he has to go barefoot forever!
>>83858777
http://pastebin.com/u/cornCascader
How's that?
Most of the stuff is just fluff with some john/roxy, dave/jade, and karkat/kiwi
>>83858884Tried the break. Got the post deleted and an off-topic warning.
This stopped being about Da Rules a long time ago
>>83858345
I think there were more ships, but I forgot what they were so whatever
>>83858784
B-but anon...!
>>83847434
>>83850471
Alright, I'll see what I can get done now/later tonight!
>>83858857
>hussie
>virgo
>look it up
>he's born one day (and 12 years) before me
what the FUCK
>>83858974
I want to do this!
Not even Porrim is safe from the black designs
>>83858721
That's because by that point in time Slytherin had literally become "the evil house", and both were descendants of Death Eaters. While you could argue that Gamzee's blood would put him in a "pureblood" esque position, we're really talking purely personality here.
>>83858708
Devotion =/= Ambition. Tell me, what is Gamzee's endgame? He doesn't have one. He goes around the timeline doing whatever the fuck because who knows? He serves English, sure, but that's it. He serves. He follows. And occasionally he kills.
>>83858959
Too bad Davesprite was basically destroyed and ceased to be in exchange for that.
See this is the thing, the people who like Davepeta clearly don't give a shit about Davesprite. They care in the most shallow way. Who cares if he had an unsatisfying superficial ending, it was still a happy one!
>>83858985
>DAVEKAT
DELETE THIS
>>83858803
But we DO see him without any notable influences multiple times in Act 6. Look at how Gamzee acts in the Alpha Session, or how Gamzee acts during Caliborn's Intermission.
Murderous or not, he's still pretty chill.
>>83858945
Well, when those factors include poisonous slime that melts your brain at the cost of sedating oneself, the powers of a near-omnipotent being with mind-influencing powers and magical alien blood that makes you more inclined to both aggression, violence, subjugation and with an affinity for clown themed religious zealotry then I think it's a fair question to ask what the person is like when they're not influenced by these things in an AU setting where they wouldn't be present. Especially as we're not shown what he's like without being under one such of these effects. So I think it's a tad different than what you're implying.
>>83859009
Well I like Davepeta and I cared a lot about Davesprite. I was still happy to see him fused with Nepetasprite.
>>83857648
Is this loss
>>83858975
Nice
I recommended you to make it so you can post new stuff just by referring to the account so you don't get banned for posting links
>>83858985
>Leprechauns experiencing relationships in troll quadrants
>>83858985
>meowrails
>solara
>equara
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O3dAz2j1cg
>>83859068
I'm not sure how I do that
>>83858985
As I mentioned in response to my own post, I think I made up my mind in that I'd like her symbol to be painted crudely on her bandages.
>>83858981
Fuck, well shucks that sucks. Hopefully it's just a temporary thing I guess.
>>83859009
People like Davepeta because they think Davepeta acts cute.
Actually, Davepeta's personality is actually spot on as to how people who would like Davepeta would act like. So I suppose there's a degree of self-insertion as well.
I heard AH once said that huge boobed Vriska was canon as a joke. Does anyone have some info on that or a link for me? It sounds really interesting.
>>83859080
Namefag i guess and mention it being on pastebin
like shenaniganon does
>>83859062
...shit it might be
Karkat painting his toenails.
>>83858345
where can i find the app/website for this?
>>83859025
It's Hussie's fault for making it canon. Before Vriskagram, the Love Diamond of Pain was just the periphery.Then he trashed the Terezi ships goddammit
Also now I remember that Davepeta x Jasprose should be on there
>>83859035
Isn't he still under the influence of LE, given that was the same Gamzee from Murderstruck? He'd been influenced through Lil'Cal in both the pre/post retcon timeline before changes were made right? So I don't think we can tell if he ever stops being under that mind-altering influence. Also, I'd argue that Gamzee was just a plot device and cloun-joke at that point.
>>83859103
I'd rather not namefag, I just don't make these enough
>>83859093
>Davepeta's personality is actually spot on as to how people who would like Davepeta would act like.
I don't act like Davepeta at all either. I hate being ironic.
>>83859093
>>83859093
>Actually, Davepeta's personality is actually spot on as to how people who would like Davepeta would act like
Autistic?
>>83859093
>Actually, Davepeta's personality is actually spot on as to how people who would like Davepeta would act like.
Just another reason to despise davepeta fans
Aradia's what?
Wait how does this confirm Vriska for Hiveswap?were you perhaps japing?
i want to tie terezi down and fuck her until she calls me master
>>83859175
hair
>>83859121
GRIS leads me to miscellaneousrenaissant's tumblr. Is that the original artist?
Also what's the Love Diamond of Pain? Terezi/Dave/Gamzee/Karkat?
>>83859175
a BORING SHITTY CHARACTER
>>83859141
So does Davepeta, I don't see your point.
So for a while he becomes flashy and hyperactive and nothing's challenging anymore.
He just starts barreling over mushrooms and leaping over pits as fast as he can, then gets to the end and jumps on the flagpole and that's it. Mario "wins".
But the point is, he didn't really win. That magic star was actually devastating to his development as a human being.
>>83859152
Davepeta is only half autistic. They're actually pretty well-adjusted considering how neurotic Davesprite was.
>>83859072
Shoosh, the only leprechaun there is Crowbar and hearts is a legitimate charm. And canon shows that carapacians can do black romance
>>83859205
it's irony bro
>>83859175
slutty fucking feet
>>83859182
They were Jakeing yes. I was initially confused, too, because it wasn't that funny. Still appreciate the scans though.
>>83859240
did somebody mention slutty rustblood feet
>>83859175
crave for the D -->
>>83859175
Cereal!
>>83859229
Yea but spades isn't. I just think the Droog ship should be <3.
>>83858975
Your stuff is very cute.
Now write horrible fetish porn.
>>83859205
Except it wasn't devastating. He reached a point of inner peace and didn't do anything hurtful to anyone, unlike the Tricksters.
>>83859269
love me..........
>>83859260
i want totouchthem
>>83859279
People asked for a davejade petplay fic so I've got that next
>>83859204
Davepeta loves entry level irony. You're completely wrong.
>>83859290
The monologue wasn't about harming other people, bro.
>>83859300
unfortunately she's not a foot fetishistunless the person she's disguised as is. gotta keep up appearances
BEHOLD
>>83859201
Yeah, that's where it's from.It's me haha
The Love Diamond of Pain is what I call Terezi/Dave/Jade/Karkat on the shipping chart.One of these days I need to find/draw a pic with all four of them
>>83859324
It wasn't devastating to his development. He got to achieve his ultimate self.
>>83859322
Entry level. They like "irony", but their personality isn't actually composed of irony a la Dave, Davesprite, or Dirk.
>>83859349
Thanks for drawing all that stuff for /hst/! It was really good and nice of you. Classpect Anon posts that Bateman daily.
>>83859355
You're being deliberately obtuse.
>But the point is, he didn't really win. That magic star was actually devastating to his development as a human being.
>WHY.
>Because he skipped over many critical trials on his spiritual journey.
>Mario NEEDS to stomp on all those mushrooms. He NEEDS to bonk those bricks with his head, for the sake of his personal growth.
>By using the star, he is denying himself many powerful moments of catharsis.
Read it again. Hussie is lecturing on the meta level.
>>83859346
>johnkat
Die.
>>83859389
Yes I do, and don't you fucking forget it.
>>83859260
draw her smothering my face with them
>>83859359
Yes, and I'm saying that I like Davepeta and don't like irony, hence demonstrating a way that I, a Davepeta fan, does not feel that Davepeta is my self insert.
>>83859391
>You're being deliberately obtuse.
No. I'm actually trying to understand you, but still think that you're fundamentally wrong. All the doomed Daves completed those critical trials. Since he is a sprite squared, he has all their memories. He accomplished all the trials across many timelines. Do you understand how the ultimate self thing works? He did bonk those bricks on his head, it's just that many of the bricks were bonked by other Daves.
AT LONG LAST
I SHALL FUCK THE GENESIS FROG IN ITS FULLY FORMED STATE
BILIOUS SLICK IS MY FLESHLIGHT
THE UNIVERSE IS MY ONAHOLE
NO ONE ESCAPES THE WHITE MILES
>>83859464
I won't deny that Hussie might've been thinking that to justify Davepeta, but if you don't think that's fucking dumb then I don't see us agreeing any on anything.
>>83859474
GET 8ACK HERE!!!!!!!!
What if Hussie didn't make a kickstarter?
>>83859511
Squaresprites are uniquely qualified for the ultimate self thing, though.
>>83859464
if you don't like irony why do you like a character that only exists as an ironic joke
>>83859205
BRAVO HUSSIE
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>>83859511
Well at least you don't still think I'm being deliberately moronic.
>>83859464
But that's silly in the context of a story.
Ultimately, what development we don't see is irrelevant. Otherwise, why show us anything? It doesn't matter that they progressed if they progressed behind the curtains.
>>83859395
Ah, allow me to clarify. This is just a Condy fuck/hate circle. No intermingling here barring some handiness during love/hate orgies.
>>83859564
>Otherwise, why show us anything?
So that you get to know that it happened, even if you don't see it happen. That has value to some people.
>>83859423
if i could i would. i mean i have a picture where you can see her in socks if you'd like that.
>>83857779
kill it
>>83859542
Best case scenario, it only serves as justification from the perspective of the character. On the level of the narrative it's only a detriment.
>>83859550
You really think Hussie intended the character as an ironic joke? I feel very strongly that he considered them to be a deeply spiritual character that went with his gnostic motifs.
>>83859605
yes. post it.
>>83859606
8==D < I cannot do it.
>>83859593
But that's bad storytelling, no matter how much meta "unconventional storytelling" you throw in it.
Stories aren't just a beginning and an end, they're a middle. And the middle is by far the most important part. It's the struggles, the victories, the progress that gets the plot and characters from point A to point B. That's all the stuff that makes us give a shit, the stuff that gives us the context we need to understand what's happening.
You can't cut that out and expect to have well rounded characters.
>>83859606
but its too kawaii
>>83859658
prepare for disappointment and a noncanon ship
>>83859291I probably would. I'm pretty lonely myself.
>>83859672
You wanted him to show every character smash every brick? The webcomic would be 5 times as long. It's already the longest human-made webcomic in the world by a lot.
>>83859742
no one's saying that hussie didn't write himself into a corner and set up expectations that he had no chance of reaching
>>83859672
To be fair, Davesprite wasn't going anywhere. He basically wrote himself out of the story.
>>83859742
>It's already the longest human-made webcomic in the world by a lot.
Yeah, because a large majority of its "pages" are wordless gifs. When will this meme stop?
I can't believe you're trying to pawn off the "ultimate self" bullshit as good storytelling either. It's a blatant narrative spit in the face.
>>83859669
do as I MOTHERFUCKIN SAY and kill the low
>>83859776
Well I guess I'm saying then that I think it's fine that he didn't show every character solve all their problems, even though I'm still in the "where is the rest of the character development this ending sucks" boat. Davesprite is one of the characters that I can understand not showing every trial and tribulation for on his journey to mental well-being.
>>83859796
That's because you're trying to apply it as an objective truth. The only person it applied to is the only person who said it.
>>83859742
Every brick? No. The relevant bricks necessary for that one, successful Mario to progress and conquer the challenges put in front of him, yes. It's not a bad thing to want to see clear character development for characters we're invested in as readers; as opposed to just a magic star situation that Davepetasprite is that somehow brushes over the individual issues of not one, but two characters with vastly different challenges, issues and aspirations.
>>83859796
>When will this meme stop?
It's the longest in terms of text too, asshat.
>>83859811
I think it would have been better to show that Davesprite's journey is still ongoing than to gloss over his issues by altering his personality. The former approach is at least honest.
>>83859291
ayyy
>>83859821
So you're saying that you want to see every character that the readers were invested in as much as Davesprite or more break every relevant brick necessary for each of them to progress and conquer the challenges put in front of them? Do you acknowledge that there are a large number of characters that the readers were invested in as much as Davesprite and that this would still be an enormous number of bricks?
>>83859742
Yes, I did.
Homestuck really isn't that big, it's just bloated. There are stories with more complex plots, more characters, more developed characters (not hard), and higher quality than Homestuck.
Homestuck is bloated. It's bloated with pages and pages of bullshit. Long strands of bullshit tied into string, making an elaborate quilt of more bullshit.
Which is alright, that's what we're here for, until it's the endgame and there are maybe three characters with finished character arcs.
>>83858435
Yeah but to contest this I would like to point out that "space" as in things between physical objects is kind of voids thing, as in emptiness.
The Aspect of Space is more about physical objects and their properties. So while the Prince of Space can definitely destroy anything he can with nuclear punches (Splitting Atoms anybody?) I think that in terms of The Hand that the Prince of Void gets the awesome jojo reference.
>>83859878
>There are stories with more complex plots
Name 5.
>>83859389
No problem! I was sort of on vacation so I had time to draw a lot haha. Plus overall denial that the comic is "almost" finished
>>83859906
1-Teletubbies
2-Backyardians
3-Nannalan
4-Pingu
5-Shaun the Sheep
>>83859923
Did Porrim canonically fuck every troll in her session besides Cronus? I was half asleep during Openbound.
>>83859968
I don't know, it doesn't matter. You shouldn't even acknowledge it and act like that shit was worth thinking about
>>83859968
Except Cronus and Kankri.
>>83859941
Homestuck has a very complex plot, with a lot of foreshadowing and themes that are interwoven together almost from the beginning, and brilliantly executed twists. This is obviously a shitpost meant to bash the comic, but it's complete bullshit and only implies that you couldn't name even a single work of fiction more complex than Homestuck.
>>83859989
You hate the dancestors? I think they're pretty cool.
>>83860043
They're boring, their entire story is provided to us in exposition, and they're just basically walking jokes.
>>83859893
i can work with that, if only to make the prince of void less useless than "making things not exist" and "making things exist"
>>83859700
for the curious, it was recently made canon that a: Arctis prototyped her kernalsprite with a bathtub full of mixed troll blood and a small piece of her high blooded giant huskie lusus that hated her, and b: Troll Patrick Bateman prototyped it with a suit and tie, because, of course he did. (and a computer, post-entry)
>>83859968
Cronus included. I dunno why, maybe she wanted to taste the blood
>>83860087
Dude if I could explain what a fucking powerhouse the Prince of Void is with fistkind in the homebrew without explaining how everything works I would.
>>83859811
>>83859877
Not every character has to solve every problem, certainly not main characters who have a rather large collection of issues to confront in a short space of time. Or the converse less prominent secondary and tertiary characters who should primarily support the main cast. Yes, not every secondary or teriary character should get a prominent character arc as main characters should, but if they are presented as having an arc then it should be treated as such, they should change and we as the viewer should see those changes, even if they're only minor in comparison to the main cast.
The problem is that it's taken to the other extreme, in that many of both sets of characters just do nothing with their challenges and goals. That's a huge issue from a narrative stand point as the transformation of characters from the beginning of the story to the end is a huge part of the what a piece of work has to show to be adhering to what one could consider good storytelling. Hence the issues people have with numerous characters not progressing. For secondary character we don't have to see the full stretch of their block-breaking journey, but we do have the see the relevant ones from their beginning, middle and end if they are presented as having these challenges and goals that meaningfully interact with either the story or the main characters.
Davepsprite was a prominent secondary character that influenced some of the main cast and their stories heavily, given the large challenge his very existence assigned to him. He was one of the few well handled secondary cast and it's understandable that people would want to see his important progression in the story that leads to an appropriate ending. Instead we get an accident that somehow absolves him of all those challenges he was facing, it's a magic fix at its worst. That's the part I take offence to.
>>83859893
I don't like that interpretation, because air isn't empty. It should still be in the domain of Space.
>>83860113
so far it's pretty canon that void players just innately get fistkind and super strength. i have no idea why but thanks hussie, it at least makes things kind of interesting.
>>83857648
Only did the Kids and trolls (no dancestors)
How shitty is it?
>>83860140
why do people pretend to like hufflepuff?
>>83860136
When is Roxy shown exhibiting super strength? I don't remember seeing her actually attack anything other than when she kills the Condesce.
>>83860009
homestuck has a lot of moving parts so it is complex in that sense, but it lacks cohesion. Behind every plot twist you can see the seams, and there are many occasions when events and especially themes will directly contradict what came before. So I would hesitate to say that Homestuck is complex in a good way. I don't believe that the complexity is masterfully crafted.
On the side of good examples I would probably propose some kind of political epic like Lord of the Rings or Legend of the Galactic Heroes. These stories are less cerebral but at the same time they are no less complex than Homestuck because they involve many, many characters and events while maintaining a strong sense of cohesiveness.
>>83860075
You mean they're like... Teenagers?
>>83860170
Hufflepuff is literally bros
>>83860140
What app/website are you using for this stuff, my friends?
>>83860174
Mom, who is considered by "the system" to be the same as Roxy, punched an ogre's lights out.
>>83860201
See: >>83858268
>>83860176
Neither of those are anywhere as close to complex as Homestuck is. I think we have different understandings of what the word "complex" means.
>>83860194
Yes. Doesn't excuse their awfulness.
>>83860140
>Jane in Slytherin
Explain...?
>>83860140
Well Nepeta should be in hufflepuff, her one actual issue was with confidence and fear of judgement, she's also not very driven.
>>83860170
>comfiest dorm
>nobody cares about hufflepuff so you can chill as much as you want
>have the fat friar as house ghost
>>83860201
>Mom, who is considered by "the system" to be the same as Roxy, punched an ogre's lights out.
I'm not comfortable using that to create a fanon that all void users have super strength. She had a lot more time to train than Roxy did. I mean Bro cuts a meteor in half and Dirk never exhibits strength near that level.
>>83860218
That's because you're conflating complexity with logic puzzles. A story doesn't have to involve time travel to be complex.
>>83860250
Dirk circumcised himself.
>>83860233
Jane has big ambitions for her life when she starts Sburb and even has ambitions of what to do with the company when she reigns control over it. Out of all the kids of the Alpha session she had the most plans made in the back of her mind and is particular about them too.
>>83860250
Fair enough. You think what you want, I'll think what I want, and we can agree to disagree on the issue.
this is the ultimate quadrant
>>83860281
>Out of all the kids of the Alpha session she had the most plans made in the back of her mind
Pretty sure that was Dirk
>>83860242
Considering Gryffindor's mascot is a lion I sincerely believe she'd ask the hat to be in Gryffindor. The hat's inclined to put people where they request to be, and she has brave tendencies to her. She survived in the wild hunting wild lusus and even pounced out to attack Gamzee after he kills Equius.
>>83860264
No I'm not. These are all the definitions of complex. In none of them is Homestuck less complex than LotR.
>>83860131
Air isn't empty? While I agree that there are many particles that are made up of smaller particles, and that those particles are made up of even smaller particles, there is still a "nothingness" between them. If you're sitting on a chair right now, you are actually sitting on the most basic of magnetic forces of the atoms repelling each other. They aren't touching. Also, while aspects do represent something else ( i.e. Mind=choice or Breath/Direction) literal meanings still apply to the aspects, such as Rage, Time, and Life. So my argument is that because nobody really sees the matter between dense physical objects, they will perceive it as nothing ergo void.
Besides, if the Prince of Void could only destroy secrets, it would be a fucking boring ass class in STRIFE.
>>83860339
Equius would probably go in Slytherin because he'd ask to be in the blood purity house
>>83860286
You have to admit that the amount of data is pretty flimsy. You would think that if she were so strong she would've broken out of jail Dad-style whenever she felt like it. How does your interpretation of the story make sense to you?
>>83860354
Also, space is SEX
>>83860354
>Besides, if the Prince of Void could only destroy secrets, it would be a fucking boring ass class in STRIFE.
The Prince of Void can destroy nothingness the way Roxy steals nothingness. He can create stuff by destroying its nothingness attribute.
>>83860384
Thanks for the backup bucko
>>83860377
*shrug*
>>83860349
>homestuck has a lot of moving parts so it is complex in that sense, but it lacks cohesion.
Please note that I never said that Homestuck isn't complex. Homestuck's problem is that the complexity is poorly handled. The interconnected parts don't fit together nicely. It feels more like someone dumped a bunch of pieces in a bag than carefully assembled them. It's complex in the same sense that an unsolved jigsaw puzzle is complex.
>>83860420
im feeling
euph0ric
>>83860087
I think it works quite nicely as a manifested power for Princes of Void, destroying nothingness was always an awkward one to think about as it seems silly to have a class focused on destruction pull an insane ability to create out of nowhere. I'd also imagine some ability to remove secrets or revealing a current hidden area would work as a utility ability. I felt each unique classpect should offer something to that effect at least but i can understand it not being necessary for Princes.
Destroying with nothingness at least was easy, albeit the most hilariously broken ability possible for a classpect combination.
>>83860429
I thought they fit together really nicely. That's why we disagree.
Also I should point out that cohesiveness is in no way a requirement of complexity. The interconnection is what makes it complex, not the execution of the interconnection. It's right there in the dictionary.
>>83860339
I imagine she'd just want to go in the house that's the most fun, but I can see your reasoning in that she's confident and capable in other areas. I don't really know the house distinctions well enough at all to be conclusive, so I guess either works.
>>83860419
Yes but it seems that if a prince of void were to create things then we would have to ask if it was to aid himself or somebody else. Roxy would be doing it to help somebody else, but if a title were to be based on say, making a sword out of thin air, then it would be more in line with say a Thief of Void, though they also have the knack to steal somebody else, well secrets I guess. But, this is all conjecture on the whole title thing.
>>83860339
I also think Nepeta is a hufflepuff. I don't think the symbol would make much of a difference to her if she understood what each house represented. Hufflepuff is the closest thing to a shipper house.
>>83860250
But in canon Dirk would regularly set his robots to Kill Mode and spar with them.
KARKAT: PLEASE JADE NO DONT DO THIS.
JADE: i will not have any trolls on my new planet!!
KARKAT: OH GOD WHY IS THIS HAPPENING!
KARKAT: AHHHH IT BURNS!
JADE: stop exaggerating!
KARKAT: A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH.
KARKAT: BECOMING HUMAN!
DAVE: holy shit
DAVE: hes beautiful
JADE: excuse me?
DAVE: fuck
>>83860509
I like that argument though anon, I think you hit the nail on the head in terms of another reasonable Void class that uses the power to create through taking from nothingness, given that Princes have that destructive connotation assigned to them whereas Thieves don't. A Thief pulling things out of the void that can aid them at the time seems fitting to both contrast and compliment the Rogue of Void powers Roxy displayed in the story.
>>83860629
and then karkat was a girl
>>83860666
Jade needs a babysitter and doesn't trust no boy, especially a troll
>>83860509
>we would have to ask if it was to aid himself or somebody else.
Why? Maybe he can create either, but unlike the Thief and Rogue he can't turn incorporeal/invisible, but rather can counter the invisibility of others.
>>83860629
This reads like a deviantart comment. Please neck yourself.
>>83859906
Fuck it, I'll do you one more (also the dude who put up a shitpost wasn't me by the way) and do five for every example.
More characters:
1. Naruto
2. Harry Potter
3. Lord of the Rings
4. Avatar
5. Kingdom Hearts
6. Probably a lot more, these are just the far and beyond examples. If you have more than 50 you're set, and in Homestuck's example at least 30 of them would count as minor characters.
More Complex Plots:
1. Metal Gear
2. Neon Genesis
3. Game of Thrones (more dealing with character motivations)
4. Lost
5. Bionicle (not even shitting you)
Better Developed Casts
1. Steven Universe
2. Cowboy Bebop
3. Undertale
4. Haruhi Suzumiya
5. Final Fantasy 7
And this is just the shit I pulled from the TV Tropes Trope Overdosed page in a couple minutes, I'm sure that someone else could give you a better list.
>>83860635
>>83860509
the way i see it, a prince has one function - destruction. They can create any sort of tool to aid in that - perfectly generic objects, only to throw at people. No PGO forts allowed, or they disperse. They can make knives, guns, tanks, cannons, black holes, as long as they can concentrate enough Roxy-style to figure out what creates a thing, they can recreate it - but only if it's towards destruction.
Meanwhile, Rogues can create limitlessly but it needs to be used for other people, while thieves can do the same but they have to keep what they can make.
>>83858107
fun!
>>83860733
no this list is perfect
these are all artistic masterpieces and im sorry i ever doubted you
-bows-
>>83860733
And if you're going to debate me on Game of Thrones then put down Elder Scrolls, or Hitchhiker's Guide
>>83860483
>I thought they fit together really nicely.
John has the powers of a god but no one will every question how he uses them.
The house juju is critical to the plot and works differently every time we see it.
Retcon mechanics fluid and seem to work arbitrarily according to whatever the plot demands. Retcons create duplicate johns, except when they don't.
People in dream bubbles seem to be unaffected by retcons, even though the retconned meteor passed through the exact same dream bubbles and experienced the exact same events, so it seems to be an excuse just to keep (Vriska) around.
The crowbar was removed from the dreambubbles and then retconned, then magically reappeared in the retcon timeline somehow.
Residents of the dream bubbles seem to have undue influence when convenient. Aranea was able to control Gamzee from across paradox space.
How did Vriska know to make Arquius?
Who created Union Jack in the retcon timeline and how? Gamzee did not have the means or the time to do it.
The kids' motives for going to the masterpiece are completely opaque and seem to contradict John's intent to be conservative with his retcon abilities.
As the story progressed, god tier immortality became more and more vague and convenient.
English was the avatar of the concept of inevitability, but failed to establish his own victory conditions in advance when it was an inconvenience to the story ending.
Why didn't Jane resurrect Roxy in the retcon timeline?
How did Karkat watch Serendipity before contacting John in the short amount of time that he had?
Why did John let Vriska take charge despite saying that she was too dangerous only a few hours earlier? Why was Terezi so complacent?
Why did the first two black holes transport characters to the Land of Colours and Mayhem, but the third one is supposed to kill Lord English?
Why did Damara Megido have the same land as Aradia?
Where is the Medium? Some parts of the story
>>83860733
I don't know Metal Gear or Bionicle but the others are much less complex than Homestuck and I know them really well. Neon Genesis is a great comparison since it's also a gnostic story about creation, but when you hold the two up to each other and compare the plots, Homestuck's is more complex and it isn't even close. The part of your claim that I took issue with was the complex part, so the other lists weren't relevant.
>Better Developed Casts
>Undertale
No fucking way.
>>83860815
Oh, thanks. I wanted to show what everyone else was doing, which gave me the chance to get a Dave/Karkat/Jade/Jane scene that I've been dying to do.
Getting Jade and Jane in those moustaches and accents while Dave squirms made me smile.
>>83860714
Because Princes don't destroy to the benefit of themselves. The Thieves and Rogues kind of act as a go between between the Destroyer classes and the Maid/Sylph combos. Thieves and rogues deplete an aspect and move it to somebody Destroyers just deplete.
>>83860750
I think I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. To say that the Prince uses Void to destroy or destroys Void itself does not imply that they are completely capable of whipping stuff out of thin air just because the Thi/Rog classes could. Is destruction restricted to the Destroyer classes? No, because their act is to destroy, not to create. Making things out of nothing is much more in line with a Maid of Light or Sylph of Light, or if not Light then Space.
>>83860847
Never said this shit was good.
I just think it's silly to see Homestuck as something special for being really complex or having really good characters. It's special because it has a lot of words in a really short time, and it plays with webcomics as a medium in really cool ways.
That being said, it's clear that you don't really give a shit about going on with this, so I can't really rabble on without looking like more of an asshole.
>>83860867
fair enough.
>>83860850
all i read from this was aradia and damara
what does it mean
Really disappointed how Hussie wrote the Hope characters in Homestuck. I fucking love Holy magic, but all of the ones who use it ended up serving no important role in the story.
>>83860885
>That being said, it's clear that you don't really give a shit about going on with this
Yea that wasn't me you're replying to.
>I just think it's silly to see Homestuck as something special for being really complex
I don't. I'm skeptical that Bionicle or Metal Gear are more complex than Homestuck because the rest of the list definitely isn't. It seems to me that you just don't appreciate Homestuck's plot or the buildup of plot strings that lead to Cascade or the connection between the events. Of course you just think that I'm underrating Game of Thrones or Lost or NGE and we won't make any progress unless we spend hours looking at the progression of plot in each piece and compare them one-at-a-time, which is obviously not going to happen.
>>83859721
What's in the chest?
>>83860750
Solid reasoning, but again it comes back to that function of destruction-based powers and how much of an influence that has on the powers Princes can employ, particularly ones that are creating objects instead of destroying them. It seems like it contradicts their intended purpose too heavily, and the idea that other classes less focused on destruction can use the void creation powers in their own, more applicable manner seems more interesting in my mind.
In addition, whilst the idea they can limit their Void-creation to items that are used to destroy, it seems like the kind of thing which could never reasonably be controlled given that you could use a lot of those items for utility purposes as well, like a Tank for example. You could argue that intent of creation could manage it, like Skaia knows how the Prince is going to use the item and allows it/doesn't allow it if they don't try to destroy with it. The problem is just that it seems like a stretch at that point, but I could accept the reasoning as there's enough support behind it to make sense, I just personally disagree with it.
>>83860733
>1. Steven Universe
2. Cowboy Bebop
3. Undertale
4. Haruhi Suzumiya
5. Final Fantasy 7
Fuck off with this meme shit.
>>83860945
>I don't
oops I should clarify what I meant here. I'm saying I don't think it's silly to see Homesetuck as something special for being really complex, not that I don't see it as something special for being really complex.
>>83860961
a good ending
>>83860961
The Pop-a-matic Vrillyhoo Warhammer that I guess vriska alchemized for John
>>83861011
more like iron ass because every guy that sticks his dick in there turns gay and swears women off forever
>>83861043
Except it was the LACK of jade's butt that turned dave gay
Her ass is like crack, it's addicting and you go crazy without it
Chess people are sterile.
What would happen if the beta kids went trickster?
>>83857469
Why the fuck do people actually like him?
I admit it was kinda funny seeing him getting desperate as fuck, but then the "I'm actually fucking insane and not an ironic cunt" happend and he got literally more "evil" than Vriska
She at least got a "self-reflection and becomming nice" arc with (Vriska) and she in general had "good" goals, even if her methods where fucked up.
He got none of that. He was just a desperate evil cunt
>>83861110
then why they got tiddies tho/s
>>83861110
Except pretty much everyone here agrees WV has filled PM to the brim and made enough small chess people to fill a chessboard
stuck home
>>83861121
>Why the fuck do people actually like him?
Are you sure they do? I think his fans just think "lonely Columbine kid" is a compelling character archetype and like him as a character.
I mean we fucking love Caliborn, and yet he's a total asshole through and through.
>>83861184
You mean the chess people in Act 7 are their babies? He puts the mayo in mayor?
>>83861121
You could tell he wasn't actually genocidal because he could have easily killed everyone. He was a lonely loser who also helped preserve the entire troll race (Feferi's lusus) but then he fucked up and went crazy. He wasn't as terrible as everyone thinks he is but destroying the Matriorb was irredeemable.
Had my hands full today, sorry that I haven't been around;
For anyone that doesn't know, I've now made the Punch Designix. I think it looks okay, mostly. The keyboard is the biggest issue since it's so small, and I can't make it any bigger because then it wouldn't be scaled properly in reference to the other phernalia I've made.
Pic related is after I ran it through the auto-white-balance feature, so it brings out more of the detail but looks pretty bad.
>>83861110
Think that'll stop me?
I actually quite like Eridan. Dunno why though. Maybe it's because as much as he was dumb, he still could handle himself in danger. Like how he slayed angels in a world all the other trolls feared
>>83861218
Some probably are
>>83861228
And this is the raw picture before I passed it through the white balance. Kind of hard to see detail.I really need to learn to take better photos
>>83860857
You could probably put down Hitchhiker's Guide, though it's more convoluted than anything really. And Bionicle is Space Opera disguised as a toy line, the deeper you go the weirder it gets. Haruhi Suzumiya too, though I'm not really sure where it fits in the conversation.
It's also important to point out that scale =/= complexity. Homestuck has a large scale with lots of layers, but most of those layers are pretty shallow. Most of the plot complexity comes from the copious amounts of time travel involved in the plot.
I'm still picking from "fandom lists" so that I can avoid trying to compare Homestuck to classical literature at all potential costs.
But it's also important to note that Homestuck's complexity doesn't really point to meticulous planning, and it really points to the opposite. Homestuck's plot is really a convoluted mess because it was basically made up as he went.
There were some ideas and plans that Hussie was setting up for early on (Vriska is an important character, the Scratch, Lord English), but the day-to-day of the comic was a lot more spontaneous. The vision for the comic definitely changed several times during the comic itself (I can't imagine that Hussie was writing Dave saying faggot while thinking about how he was going to have him rant about toxic masculinity thousands of pages down the line).
>>83860865
Man, that Jade Jane interaction was primo stuff, I imagine they'd end up amazing friends given the time Jade spent with Nannasprite, that and bonding over mind-controlled fun times. Looking forward to more of it in your mini-adventures series.
>>83861228
Sorry to be annoying but I forgot to write down the names last time you told me what the modeling software and name of the specific 3D printer you used were. Would you mind telling me a second time? Again my apologies for wasting your time.
>>83861238
>that red dress
my favorite color and shade of it
more pls
The next 3 Youtube channels you link become your team for Sburb. Go.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYdxhmvbu3M
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waZII8dRI90
Pannen for planning, Huehue for execution, Dunkey so he doesn't die during the apocalypse. (Classpects encouraged if you're really feeling it)
>>83861228
What size are these things? Say, compared to a coin.
>>83861234
He wasn't dumb though. You could easily make the case that he was above average in intelligence because of how long he preserved himself when he was in constant danger.
Name a better song on Volume 10 than Renewed ReturnProtip: you can't
>>83861280
Dunkey is a Prince of Doom.
Killed 'em in one hit.
>>83861121
He was 13 and nobody liked him or accepted him, and he knew it was his fault for being annoying and whiny, but knowing that only made him even more annoying because he wallowed in self-pity. A lot of people can relate to that "cycle" and felt bad for him. Also his quirk is good for memes and his title sounded ridiculous enough before we knew much about titles to be funny.
>>83861308
"BOOM, HAHA. YOU'RE DEAD. THAT'S THE DUNKEY WAY, BAAAABY!!!!!!"
>>83861252
If I do nothing more than redeem Jane even a little bit with some of this stuff, I'll be happy.
She could have been so much fun with her detective stuff and dealing with Dad, but Hussie just flat had no idea how to use her but to get her involved in bullshit romances.
>>83861301
Not that I don't like Renewed Return, but if you're trying to say Moonsweater isn't the best song on Vol. 10, you're damn crazy.
>>83861251
I think a lot of it seems to have been planned from the beginning. I didn't get the feeling that it was a mess. Even little things like WV eating the plutonium was a planned event that was later referenced.
>It's also important to point out that scale =/= complexity.
That's not what the dictionary definition I posted says. The greater the scale, the more details, the more details, the more complex.
I actually think most of Homestuck's complexity has nothing to do with time travel. It is complex in many other ways.
In what way is Homestuck a mess?
Really LOST is a bunch of bullshit that is barely connected at all, and NGE is a cookie-cutter monster-of-the-week anime with a creative twist.
>>83861231
oh GOD DAMNIT
She was the one last pure character in Homestuck. I bet even Casey's been defiled by this point.
>>83861325
he can also destroy doom.
not even close bby.what would Jontron and h3h3 be?
>>83861301
Solar Voyage
>>83861317
Hey, that makes it actually understandable. Thanks, Anon
>>83861369
Unfunny.
>>83861266
>apologies for wasting your time
Don't worry about it, you're fine.
I use Blender and a Prusa i3; I'll even give you the links to the sites:
https://www.blender.org/
http://shop.prusa3d.com/en/3d-printers/107-original-prusa-i3-plus-kit.html
Take note that I have the *MK1* (even though it doesn't say so); the MK2 is supposedly an upgrade which I don't know much about. I got it as a kit, not as an assembled version - doesn't look like they sell it as anything other than a kit, though. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.
>>83861288
Here's a picture from last night; sorry for the quality and blur, but it should give you a rough estimate of the size. If you really want, I could go take a picture of it next to some quarters or something, though.
>>83861392
>>83861389
>Liking this.
>Instead of this.
>>83861222
>>83861364
halley is the only pure homestuck
>>83861282
But jade wouldn't wear panties
She hates all types of pants
>>83861362
>The greater the scale, the more details
how do you get from A to B
>>83861416
Not the Anon you replied to, but destroying the Matriorb makes him as bad as anyone says in my eyes.
the simpsons has been running for 27 years so it's actually the most complex story ever told
>>83861428
that's john's daughter you sick freak
>>83861432
>Jake abandons his friends in every universe
>>83861280
pannen's definitely the time player, probably a seer
i don't even know where to start with BR
agree with prince of doom for dunkey
>>83861441
Because Homestuck establishes its scale by introducing a lot of details.
This is actually parodied by Aranea, Vriska, and Tavros when they talk about how telling every little detail of a story until every possible piece of information is exhausted is good storytelling. It's referencing how exhaustive the detail that went into Homestuck was.
>>83861458
The Simpsons doesn't have an ongoing plot. Very few of the events that happened in The Simpsons are actually canon to the story. The plot itself is not very complex, because in a given episode there's usually zero events that actually happen in the canon. None of the characters even age.
>>83861464
Then why does she call me daddy?
>>83861448
People say he was legitimately a genocidal maniac; he wasn't. He was a useful ally who went nuts.
>>83861335
Yea it's a shame, out of the few motherly-type characters she's the one with the most well defined mix of caring yet forceful, with that playfulness of a prank master added into the mix to spice things up. If nothing else I'll enjoy how you handle her.
Shame some of the other cheery characters didn't survive to the end of the story as well, I can only imagine how amusing it could have been having all the motherly characters interacting with the more child-like characters, especially those who never got to meet each other.
>>83861464
>John having to sit there and watch as his little girl is fucked by some huge hairy guy for money
>>83861479
actually, i would be inclined to consider pannen a sylph of time rather than a seer. or maybe a 50 50 shot. I guess we'd have to go with seer by default actually since sylph looks to be a female exclusive thing (at least by name)
>>83861506
Well, he did snap into a maniac, and then commit xenocide. That's pretty close. If people say he was always genocidal than that's wrong I guess.
>>83861458
The events in The Simpsons aren't connected. Complexity requires connection or difficulty to understand.
>>83861498
WRONG
simpsons episodes do reference other simpsons episodes
the simpsons isn't less complex because it has a drifting timeline, it's MORE complex because everything is still canon but it all exists in a surreal dream bubble-like realm
there are story arcs that span the entire series, you could argue that the main plot is about bart defending himself from sideshow bob
by the way how about that primary antagonist in homestuck, what percentage of screentime did he have during the climax again
>>83861362
Scale =/= Details. Homestuck's scale is vast, immeasurable, even, but it's condensed into the interactions of a cast of maybe 20 characters, with varying degrees of supplementary materials behind them.
Sure it's implied that there are infinite sessions and infinite universes, but all we see are A, B, C, and their respective sessions. And there are billions if not trillions of lifeforms in those planets, but only a handful of people from each of those universes actually matter to the story itself.
And the backgrounds of those respective planets aren't really fleshed out all that much. B2 Earth gets one or two dialogues, Beforus gets Meenahbound, and while Alternia gets quite a bit more, it still really pales compared to the worldbuilding in series that are actually truly serious about worldbuilding.
Homestuck isn't really detailed. It has the stuff you need to know, some stuff that's fun to know, and not much else.
But the planning is done in one direction. Hussie seeds little details in the story in the hopes that one day he'll have a use for them. That's what gives it the DEEPEST LORE feeling. It isn't like Hussie planned for Bec Noir to kill WV later on, but rather WV ate the plutonium, and later on when Hussie was starting to plan some events that would later become Cascade, he decided to use that as a way to do it.
Sort of like the 8-player session. If the B2 session hadn't happened the way it did that little detail would have been meaningless. But because it was, Hussie was able to tie in this small detail in a meaningful way.
So there's more to this, right.
I admit my understanding of the continuity took a hit through the multiple long breaks but showing Caliborn closing the box and breaking the clock must have meaning beyond simply showing how he became LE. It's different from what was explained regarding them storing their power in the box to seal him inside Cal unless I'm forgetting that those actions took place one after another.
There's also Calliope not actually destroying the Green Sun but turning it into a Green Hole, which makes more sense scientifically but also presents new problems. LE also didn't seem too concerned when Vriska used the "Ultimate Weapon" on him.
If this really is it it doesn't do the rest of the story justice whatsoever even if the animations looked nice. I knew he was rushing to the end but an ending that's actually THIS rushed feels incredibly unsatisfying.
>>83861570
>Homestuck isn't really detailed.
Sburb and some of the cosmic lore were detailed as fuck though. It's a shame Hussie dropped that to turn it into a character drama (and then dropped the character drama thing in the very last flash to make it mostly about Sburb again)
>>83861506
>he wasn't.
He's done a couple of things in the story that aspired to his goal to commit genocide. Call him misguided or immature all you want, but the reality expressed in the story was that he did want to commit genocide in some form and has to be taken into consideration for his character.
I'd say he was a clearly conflicted character and that's what people responded to. He was a piece of shit that knew he was one, yet had no clue how to stop being one without changing what was fundamental to him.
>>83861564
Read the pic in >>83860349
>MANY INTERCONNECTED PARTS
>MANY
>INTERCONNECTED
>Hard to understand
>Simpsons
It is not MORE complex. It is LESS complex because of the LACK of connections. Maybe 1% of the run time of The Simpsons is referenced later. This is bullshit and you know it.
>>83860733
>>83860857
Bionicle in the beginning isn't that much, but by the second set of toys they hired this writer that made the story get much more complex and convoluted, with the villain planning even his own defeats in order for the heroes to win just for him to be the one that actually wins and become an invincible god.
>>83861625
I'm honestly so jaded with homestuck that Sburb is the only part of it I really care about any more.
And Dolorosa.
And Troll PB
>>83861627
Too brown
Will Hussie ever get his freedom from ipgd?
>>83861625
SBURB I'll admit is the one exception, in that it's absurdly detailed and thought out, though that's really dropped for the most part after the first quarter of the story.
>>83861528
He was probably one of the most selfless trolls in the very beginning. This probably contributed to his entitlement though.
What really fucking sucks is that after a DUEL WITH SOLLUX WHICH THEY BOTH AGREED TO, Feferi tries to attack him which forces him to kill her. And the Kanaya joins in and she gets killed too. Imagine you just had to murder two of your closest friends? Do you think there'd be any hope left? Fucking sucks, dude.
>>83861643
He might have wanted to but do you think he ever would have? I don't. Nevermind that it's justified him to hold some resent towards land-dwellers because they pollute where he lives.
>>83861570
>Homestuck isn't really detailed.
Are you fucking kidding me? Each character has a fucking introduction arc where they list every fucking interest that they have and talk about all the shit lying around their rooms.
>It isn't like Hussie planned for Bec Noir to kill WV later on, but rather WV ate the plutonium, and later on when Hussie was starting to plan some events that would later become Cascade, he decided to use that as a way to do it.
>kill WV
Oh okay you didn't read the comic got it now it all makes sense. Also the fact that you don't think that's planned is hilarious to me when it obviously was planned that the energy bar was depleted and WV ate the fuel.
>>83861602
>LE also didn't seem too concerned when Vriska used the "Ultimate Weapon" on him.
His eyebrows raise up. He was afraid.
>>83861645
>This is bullshit and you know it.
so is your argument for homestuck
most of the story elements in homestuck are red herrings and don't contribute significantly to the primary conflict
homestuck is just a bunch of side stories that loosely tie into a vague overarching plotline, just like the simpsons
>>83861690
What is that comic?
>>83861690
>gets free and goes straight to angel
>things get even worse
terezi has a big juicy ______
>>83861764
Ass.
>>83861690
The man is nearly 37. I find it laughable that anyone would think he is "stuck" with social connections or being "forced" to do shit. You may not understand his motivations, but he is the only one in control of his life.
>>83861764
plot armor
>>83861764
footpussy
>>83861690
If you were Hussie's new squeeze, what ship would you make him make canon?
>>83861764
lack of character development
>>83861776
>but he is the only one in control of his life.
>>83861790
Ara x Dia
>>83861790
katnep
>>83861790
implied Jade/Bec
>>83861790
jadekat
>>83861740
No, it's nothing like the Simpsons. Have you even fucking seen the Simpsons? It's total bullshit and hardly ever references itself. The details in Homestuck tie into the plot 100 times more than the details in The Simpsons. I can't believe I'm actually arguing this right now it's just so fucking stupid. Keep believing that The Simpsons is the most complex story, go tell everyone that that's how you feel, I'll be over here actually using the real definition of complex which requires interconnection while everyone you meet laughs at you.
>>83861790
dave/rose/roxy
>>83861790
davejade
>>83861790
John x Every female in the comic
>>83861790
Implied dersecest.
Implied, so as to not anger the SJWs.
>>83861831
but this would interfere with John's and Jade's harems
>>83861690
Too small. Can't read it.
>>83861828
come on man
in the grand scheme of things does it really matter that jake and dirk hooked up
that's about as relevant to creating a new universe as Mr. Smithers having a crush on Mr. Burns is to Bart escaping from Sideshow Bob
>>83861790
Davejade, or Daverose, orwhatever would give Dolorosa a happy ending.
>>83861851
john <3< jade also becomes canon as they fight over their harem
>>83861703
http://andrewhussie.blogspot.com.au/2009/11/interrogative-remarks-followed-by.html
Ctrl+F for "uranium". It was put in the room as a parallel to grist types, the fact that Bec later needed and took it from WV was not planned from the beginning.
>>83861861
Fuck yes
>>83861699
Dude, he just announced we would join the guy that was literally killing everything. Feferi was pretty fucking reasonable to attack the guy who was about to at least indirectly slaughter them
And with that amount of magic shit, you really think he couldn've just immobilized her and Kanaya somehow?
homestuck's plot summary:
a bunch of people do some shit, and then, due to unrelated circumstances, a new universe is created
moral unclear
So can we all agree that Problem Sleuth was total shit in hindsight?
>>83861858
It's relevant that Jake sent a present to John. I just picked the first of a million interconnected details in Homestuck that popped into my mind. There is a far larger percentage of relevant plot details in Homestuck than in The Simpsons.
>>83861904
So was Homestuck. Nothing hussie has ever done been good, it's been an illusion.
>>83861921
i think you're getting trolled friend
>>83861904
just because homestuck wasn't complex doesn't mean it wasn't entertaining
homestuck was good it just wasn't a brilliant masterpiece like you all want to believe it was
>>83861903
>unrelated
>>83861699
Well he commissioned a doomsday weapon from Vriska with the express purpose of killing as many land dwellers as possible. Had Vriska not been a lying piece of shit and actually followed through with it then we have no reason not to think he would have gone through with it, if nothing else the guy was capable and committed to whatever he was doing. He was also so violent that he spent all the troll sburb session either killing his world's npcs or dueling Sollux, that again points to him going through with things that would cause the most harm to those who aren't him, albeit not directly pointing to him being genocidal.
Either way, his intentions were clearly selfish from his very first interaction with another person, he only went through with Feferi's duties as he wanted to get close to her.
As for trying to justify his murders, the guy quite clearly told them he was going to go join the ultimate villain of their session. Without even getting into how fucking stupid and dangerous that idea is, the ramifications of that meant they had to deal with him, given the danger he would put both himself and everyone else in. He forced them to take him down which is a vile thing to do no matter the circumstances. Anything he did to Kanaya was unnecessary too, she wasn't attacking him, just showing her intent to defend herself and then he goes and destroys the Matriorb.
By that point in the story the guy was an utterly lost cause, whilst I personally like to think the angels had some input in his crazy actions, we don't actually know if he was fully choosing those terrible things to do.
>>83861921
wow you managed to pick the one thing Jake did that still has a glaring plot hole associated with it
good job
>>83861790
Terezi x Aradia
>>83861931
Thanks for the tip. I'm pretty autistic when it comes to telling if I'm being trolled.
>>83860299
>>83857469
Let's see 'em
>>83861432
how da fuck did he get out of the island on a dog
>>83861965
What glaring plot hole?
>>83861790
Katnep
>>83861703
That's what we call "establishing your characters". They have interests and feelings. It's not really a good example of Homestuck being detailed.
What I mean is that it's insular. You have the Exiles, the Beta Kids, the Midnight Crew, the A2 Trolls, the Alpha Kids, and the Cherubs. And really it's just WV, PM, and maybe WQ from the exiles, and like half of the A2 trolls.
That's it. That's the cast. There are loads upon loads of supplementary characters, but everything else in the world is meant to build upon the experiences of these characters.
If something doesn't immediately concern any of those characters, it might as well not exist.
It's literally Hussie's creative process, he's straight up said this (get back to me in a bit if you want a source on that, there's at least one newspost in the archive on it).
Hussie has an idea. Okay, he has an idea. He doesn't know how he's going to do that idea, he doesn't know when he's going to do that idea, but he knows that he's going to do it eventually.
Hussie is writing in the day-to-day of Homestuck. He wants to set up things later down the line, so he puts in some obvious hints towards future events. There are other things that he doesn't quite understand how they're going to tie in to future events, but he's sure they'll make sense eventually and adds them to the story anyways.
Later on, Hussie is tying up storylines, and uses these future events to tie back into past events. Hussie wasn't even sure if the trolls were going to be important characters at the time of WV dicking around, I call bullshit on the idea that Hussie was thinking of how Bec Noir (a character who he may have planned) going through the Skaian defense system into Exile Earth, ripping the uranium out of WV, and using that to teleport into the troll session to cause a series of events that Hussie definitely had not thought of yet.
>>83861986
He wasn't on an island stupid, he was in the south.
>>83861952
the new universe was going to be created whether or not they did anything
Collide was a bunch of people fighting each other for reasons that had nothing to do with winning sburb
>>83861428
Nice filename
>>83861776
It's a joke. Anyway there are plenty of adults who have their lives indirectly controlled by their partners, and I dont mean third world shitholes
>>83861989
someone has to send the weapons to jake in the first place
>>83862035
thank you, i'll be here all week
>>83861968
Explain, i want to believe
>>83861899
She didn't attack him when he announced that and it was after the dual. Don't know if he could have done that. But, yeah, his actions then weren't 100% justified.
>>83861964
I still think he initially had some form of nobility/faith in himself or the world and that's what prevented him from going on his exaggerated crusades. I also don't think the sole reason he helped Feferi was to get close to her. Like Doc Scratch said "What would you say if I said a vengeful boy on a path of nihilism was taken under the wings of fearsome angels, and learned to destroy hope with their light?"
He fucked up, he isn't a "dinidu"
>>83862082
Both belong to John's harem
>>83861757
how would things be worse under an Angel Administration
I can only imagine and excess of kiwis
>>83862147
We couldn't imagine how bad piggy was, who knows what angel is hiding
>>83862013
What? They had to beat LE so he wouldn't appear in their universe. The door didn't appear until after LE was defeated.
>>83862082
I like both characters and want to see them kiss and be happy together. Plus Terezi really likes the color red and thought Aradia's death fangirl schtick was cute.And homicide detectives x medical examiner pairings are cute and I could see Terezi trying to solve murders and Aradia conversing with the cadavers in a shitty AU
>>83862147
every boy gets unironically raped in the epilogue or continuously molested by nepeta after shrinking them down
>>83862195
i see it and like it
Why are there Homestuck Tarot cards? Wouldn't Homestuck poker cards be slightly more fitting?
>>83862044
No one gave them to him. He alchemized them with Calliope's help. It's not a plot hole.
>>83862191
>They had to beat LE so he wouldn't appear in their universe
>>83862191
I think you're making a lot of baseless assumptions here, especially w/ regard to interpreting the events shown on a linear chronology
>>83862241
>He alchemized them with Calliope's help.
>>83862253
How do we know that that's the C1 universe?
someone remind me why fish hitler wanted to get into the new universe again
Hey Classpectanon, what was the pastebin link again? I forgot to bookmark it last time and I need to go looking for a description for the next pic.
>>83862294
It's not. That's A2.
I think that poster means to say "but he is ALREADY HERE"
>>83862254
They're circumstantially simultaneous. I am interpreting the chronology correctly. It's only baseless if you don't understand anything about Paradox Space or the comic in general.
>>83862297
she wanted to restart her empire since it didnt work out in the alpha kid universe
which is why she wanted the matriorb
>>83862309
http://pastebin.com/ASHDdYA0
>>83862281
Okay I guess the Tricksters alchemized them and sent them to Jake
>>83862313
Nothing is stopping English from visiting C1 earlier in his timeline, dumbass.
>>83862311
Oh. That made me laugh now that I get it.
>>83862321
Much obliged.
>>83862341
How? They would have needed to travel back in time, because the lotus capsule only sends things forward in time.
>>83862359
How is he going to get there, idiot? It's not connected to Paradox Space.
>>83862103
I mean, that's okay if you think that, but from what we're shown in the comic it's made a point that the guy is fully intending on going through with his intentions, he was just foolish enough to trust Vriska in getting that job done.
As for his relationship with Feferi, it's rather clear that the two of them were using each other for anterior motives. Eridan as a means to hunt and kill in service to the future ruler, whom he likely has affections for due to this positionthough perhaps he did actually like her personality? They never seemed to actually enjoy each others company as their terrible moirallegance was a point repeated numerous times.Whereas Feferi was using him for his ability to hunt and kill lusus to complete her task, which is manipulation at a simple level, but loosely justified given the task she has to perform. The issue there being how she handled the aftermath, even if Eridan's intentions weren't exactly noble either.
See even though the guy is a complete arse with these terrible, violent intentions I do think they were born through expectations and the Feferi situation rather than truly genuine hatred. I mean, he was close friends with Karkat and seemed to value his company, the idea he'd just coldly kill him doesn't seem right for someone so affection craving. That's why I think the angels had an influence on him, given how sudden his decision seemed to be and how it didn't seem to align which how much of a coward he was. It's a bold thing to plan to join the big bad of the universe and giving up all your prior goals and comrades, it doesn't quite seem in-keeping with what we know of his character.
>>83862403
Caliborn originated in C1, moron. It has always existed.
>>83862403
>It's not connected to Paradox Space.
[citation needed]
>>83862313
causality loops don't have a chronological progression. That's the whole point of them. Being a loop. What started them also ends them.
Shit gets really complicated and probably full of holes if you build multiple loops interacting with each other.
What was the significance of Complacency of the Learned? Why did the Writ Keeper keep the writ?
>>83862468
who cares he died
>>83862403
> How is he going to get there, idiot? It's not connected to Paradox Space.
Literally everything is
>>83862423
Yea, and then he leaves for The Medium, and can never return to C1, because it's free from Paradox Space.
>>83862501
What does that even mean
>>83862460
Circumstantially simultaneous events aren't causality loops. When you tie them all together they create one causality loop.
>>83862468
>Why did the Writ Keeper keep the writ?
Needed some reading material for his 413 million year wait
>>83862494
Not if you consider the meta interpretation where John and the kids escape the narrative and are free from "alpha timeline/doomed timeline" rules.
>>83862414
I still think that Eridan was too much of a tool to kill anyone. Like a guy who keeps threatening to kill himself for attention and validation (like Cronus ironically) His hoarding of weapons to an almost comedic level is could be used as proof for this.
Ehhh, it's hard to explain. He thought he had to destroy Hope in order to fulfill his role and I guess that lead up to it.
circumstantial simultaneity is fucking bullshit
yet another form of plot convenience exploited and overused by andrew FUCKING hussie
>>83862547
That's about as canon as racist Jade
>>83862547
Their universe was created by the game, and they brought game constructs into it in the form of themselves, their planets and the carapace. I refuse to believe that they can ever escape Skaia's bullshit.
>>83862547
the interpretation even ipgd thought was completely retarded?
>>83862547
What does that have to do with anything?
The meta interpretation, which I also believe, has nothing to do with them being connected to paradox space or not.
From what we've seen paradox spaces was connected with everything somehow.
Why would C1 be an exception?
circumstantial simultaneity states that there is a "hidden", meta timeline based on the order of events in the narrative
certain story objects are tied to this circumstantial simultaneity timeline and as a result interacting with these objects can create changes that violate locality in time and space, in other words, the changes are felt instantly regardless of location or era, as long as the events occur later in the narrative
a clever application of this concept would experiment with narrative devices such as flashbacks that obey they hidden timeline or by rearranging the order of events in the narrative to achieve different effects
andrew hussie is not a clever man
I was at a homestuck panel at a con last year and the writer of hiveswap said his favorite troll is Eridan and his favorite character in general is Caliborn
>>83862665
well
maybe cohen isn't such a bad guy after all
What's up with Sollux? What's his metanarrative theme? What's even his character theme? How is he somehow the least interesting troll?
>>83862664
>circumstantial simultaneity states that there is a "hidden", meta timeline based on the order of events in the narrative
What? How? No it doesn't.
>>83862553
Well, whilst he was a massive tool, arguably proven by his manipulation by Feferi, that seemed to play more into his inability to make rational decisions, primarily in the area of interaction with other trolls to make friends/relationships. For example, when he gets Nepeta into the session the first thing he does when interacting with her is to hit on her and expect some form of reward for doing what was expecting of him whilst likely insulting her, Karkat comments on how stupid it was. This is where I felt he was a tool, not in his ability to kill but in everything else. He's arguably one of the most capable killers of any of the kid characters, even before his seeming descent into madness.
>He thought he had to destroy Hope in order to fulfill his role and I guess that lead up to it.
Where was that shown? From what I recall he had just fallen into despair and though his position as Prince of Hope justified his cowardly decision to try and give up the fight and join Bec Noir.
>>83862719
alright then you explain it all clarissa
I'll be over here
listening respectfully
>>83862625
Whether or not an idiot likes something says nothing as to its quality.
>>83862665
I don't believe you, but I wish I could
>>83862491
I care. It was implied to be relevant.
>>83862665
I want to believe you anon, but I've been hurt before.
Void by itself is pretty useless
Rogue of Void is overpowered bullshit because it's a double-negative which can literally do anything because it can't.
>>83862739
You're the one who made the claim. The burden of evidence isn't on me.
>>83862708
>>83862665
cohen was hired less than 4 months ago
bullshit
>>83862736
His toolish nature prevented him from basically doing anything on his own, I think.
Not sure where exactly. But his nihilism felt genuine and I don't think he used his classpect to protect his ego; he probably actually believed it.
>>83862665
If Joey can be as good a character as them I will forgive everything
>>83862804
pathetic
my evidence: all circumstantially simultaneous events are shown happening immediately adjacent to each other within the narrative
Come on flashlight girl, I believe in you!
>>83850471
Okay, here are two versions, one that has the standard hazard tape stripes and the other with a more reflective tape design I found herehttps://marks.scene7.com/is/image/marksp/35149_1AACDK-FR6CU1_PROD_1_ROYBLU?wid=400&hei=458&bgColor=0,0,0,0&fmt=png-alpha&op_sharpen=1&resMode=sharp2&qlt=85,1. Let me know if you wanted the hazard marks somewhere different on the overalls. Also I wasn't sure where his sign would be, so I left it off for now.
Let me know if there are any more tweaks needed!
It amazes me that there are people that actually still enjoy this awful clusterfuck of a story that weren't just in it for the fad following.
>t. someone that was only in it for the fad and troll porn
Also, not sure if any here's been keeping up on the recent drama but apparently now if you've ever even remotely involved yourself in the shipping of Homestuck sjws will label you as a pedophile, even if at any point you were underage as well during the 7 years HS ran.
>>83862894
reminds me of weird al
>>83862665
>Cohen is actually a regular of /HST/
>Joey ends up being a tragic mix of Caliborn and Eridan
>The game's story destroys Homestuck's story like Rebellion shat on Puella Magi Madoka Magica's story, leaving only misery and lavish fan worship in its wake
>Homestuck fanbase comes back and grows 10x the size it was before
>Andrew Hussie kills himself and leaves the intellectual property rights to "Based Character Creator" Cohen
>>83862717
A lot of his character is based on Cyclops and his romantic life reads like a bad Cyclops x Jean Gray fanfiction where suddenly Emma Frost dies and that's reason enough for them to get back together with no questions asked.
>>83862903
>Le "Homestuck is shit" meme.
>>83857469
kill all dersites!
gas the trolls!!!
>>83862988
Here's your free (You)
Here's a fun game: What would Hivebent have to do to be a bigger trainwreck than the last fourth of Homestuck?
>>83862940
rebellion didn't shit on PMMM
it shat on the ending, which was awful
>>83863036
inject a lot of dated memes into the dialogue
>>83863029
>(You)^2.
Wait, my bad, did you mean that Homestuck turned shit or was it always shit?
>>83863041
Don't know much about PMMM, but Homestuck could sure use a good shitting on for its ending
>>83863036
Vriska
>>83862717
Well, he was one of if not the most capable of the trolls before entering the game, the actions leading to entering the game and in the game itself he encounters nothing but hardships, but still persisted to help his friends. After multiple instances of self-sacrifice and loss he encounters some good fortune in God Tier Aradia looking out for him, signifying that his suffering hadn't been for nothing. Like a lot of the other secondary character his story arc just kind of splutters to an end so it's understandable if you don't feel too much interesting from the guy.
As for meta narrative themes, with capability comes expectation and with expectation comes hardship? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the term.
As for character theme, Doom is rather an apt aspect for the guy as fate, primarily negative but ultimately positive, seemed to be the big theme attached to Sollux. Hearing the deceased voices of the fallen all your life with an incredibly difficult lusus into being manipulated to kill your closest friend etc etc. The guy just had shit thrown at him and he kept going, albeit begrudgingly and with help from those around him, which eventually pays off.
Nothing too flashy, just a simple character arc which fits the guy, he's the guy behind the scenes of a project who doesn't get much recognition but is vital for the workings of the project and faces huge challenges to get it working, getting his reward at a simple level once his work is done.
>>83861790
John x Terezi
>>83862573
But not nearly as canon as breeding slut Jade
>>83863078
>ending
>>83862798
A Mage of Void could potentially guide you to another session if yours was bunk
>>83863094
Metanarrative is like how Vriska steals the "Light" by becoming the focus or how Equius becomes "Void" by covering things up with his blood. Basically, Classpect meta symbolism stuff.
>>83863067
Trizza is love
Trizza is life
>>83861790
Condy x John
>>83863067
Dated memes really pale in comparison to the shit that was Vriskagram.
I'm talking
> At least twelve conversations that boil down to "Jude and Xephros are massive weenies"
> Trizza is actually a good guy with a long, dark, tragic backstory, but is still a massive jackass in every scene (so Vriska 2.0)
> Multiple Vriska references, actually Vriska straight up appears late in the game somehow because time travel
> The characters actually do start a massive rebellion on Alternia, but it's during a timeskip after Episode 3 and by the time we start Episode 4 it's all over and everyone is completely different
>>83863158
wait a second, if condy's in the medium, doesn't that mean her soul would go to the dream bubbles?
it would've been fucking awesome to see her bust in and start kicking LE's ass now that she's free of his influence
>>83863110
Jade's not a breeding slut, she just wants kids
And so does Roxy
And Jane
And Kanaya
>>83862809
Well he was very capable on his own, most of the secondary trolls were very capable individuals, their issues came with interaction, which makes sense. Eridan was just the extreme of those issues, he literally did everything wrong when interacting with other people and he half-knew it, half-didn't understand what he wasn't doing right. That's where I'd agree he was a massive toll, where the other trolls had more understandable handups about interactions, e.g. Nepeta due to her savage upbringing, Equius due to his mutation and weird personality, Kanaya due to her unique position as a daywalker etc.
He probably believed it, I just want to clarify that he didn't make the decision just to fulfill the idea of destroying Hope in line with being a Prince, given he had no clue what being a Prince of Hope actually meant, he just used it for a titles sake like his status as a seadweller to justify his terrible behaviour.
>>83862808
from what I remember he started around september or october of last year?
how were universes A and B inside of the tumor
why were the kids able to go to B2 even though it exploded
if Universe B has to explode to create the green sun then doesn't that mean first guardian powers can't exist anywherewhen that Universe B exists
how does destroying the green sun cause first guardian powers to disappear
>>83863073
Turned. There was a point in time where there looked like we weren't going to have a huge experience-killing retcon but unfortunately that's what happened.
I wish they never made the KS in the first place, or if they had just decided from the beginning that they were going to make it by themselves without The Odd Shekelbergs.
>no version for Trizza
how u want ur meme queen f a m
>>83863216
No, I think at some point that he realized that he "needed" to destroy hope. I think Kanaya told him this.
>>83863232
Sorry, I'm just sick of all of the people coming here to say that Homestuck was never good and that people's disappointment is invalid because of that.
They should have probably started with the merchandise, finished up the comic, and then used the funding from those things to produce the game without making risky business moves.
>>83863228
time-space shenanigans in the furthest ring
i thought of it more like a portal to both universes that would spew forth the energy created by their destruction into the furthest ring
calling it a bomb is just shorthand
>>83863228
>why were the kids able to go to B2 even though it exploded
Don't tell me you think sessions take place inside universes. The scratch reset the B1 -session- to create the B2 session. Time is non-linear in the furthest ring inside of which all the sessions take place. The tumor maybe had something to do with Sollux's mobius virus, it's not really clear.
Honestly the homestuck multiverse is an awful place to be. A place dictated solely on a pre-destinated videogame made by a retard that could end with all life on an existing universe in the blink of an eye if it so desire
>>83863204
Was Hussie trying to subtly get girls to go out and be teen pregnant or something
>>83863378
It's better in living in this timeline.
>>83862990
I keep seeing this gif pop up, who/what is it supposed to be?
>>83863395
At least here we can escape Homestuck, in theory.
Imagine having to live in a world based off late-game Homestuck.
>>83863415
it looks like an anorexic anarchist white supremacist jade???
>>83863416
I mean, the world is kinda in a turmoil right now. I think there's a lot of people besides myself who would love to get away and try to make a better one.
>>83863154
Ah okay, got ya. Well he was a Mage of Doom, so fuck knows as we have no solid idea what a Mage constitutes or does. It could come back to the sacrifice for the sake of others, given Meulin's relationship expert exploits at the expense of her own well being in the area, but that's hardly anything conclusive to go on.
He probably has the weakest metanarrative out of the trolls by a long shot, but again this primarily due to the lack of information on what Doom actually means.
There's a lot of things it could be, but there's no way to really specify which it is. If I had to choose a most likely answer, I'd go with the connection Mages seem to have with intense knowledge of their Aspect at the detriment of others, like a wizard who harbours knowledge for himself and his purposes at the expense of. So in Sollux's case he knows extensively about the things which he's going to inflict Doom with, without actually knowing he's going to Doom people. But that's a massive stretch.
>>83863378
entering your own session in homestuck would be like entering your amigara hole
it's probably going to be very uncomfortable, and change you drastically, but at least you know it was made for you
>>83863367
Jade went to B2 to retrieve Earth before it was destroyed by the Miles
also I can't see any alternative to the Medium being part of a Bilious Slick because it's so tightly woven with universe is originated from, we already know that the entirety of timelines is contained within Slick and SBURB sessions have many closed time loops that cross over into the originating universe, plus the trolls have access to the kids' entire timelines including both pre- and post-entry
>>83863304
It's not a problem, that first part was a bad attempt at a joke anyway. Still strapped in for the ride here.
The drama part is still relevant though, I wouldn't out myself as a fan on any kind of social media for a while until the witch hunts cool down.
>>83863434
>right now
Compared to when?
>>83863450
if we're going just by classpects i'm about 99.9% certain that mages are the active seer, that take knowledge for themselves rather than sharing it with others.
>>83863464
You also come out a spaghettified mess so I'd say it's accurate
Related to all of this Eri talk: is there a way for a Prince of Hope to not fuck up his session? Could he destroy his opponents' hope, or destroy his opponents using magical hope beams?
>>83863474
touché
but i think that there's always the uncertain danger of the future and where civilization is going that kind of pushes people to want a simple solution.
>>83863450
I think Doom may be conclusions as death is the ultimate conclusion to all things. Mage is suffering so Sollux suffers from a lack of conclusiveness. All of his actions and deaths never really amount to anything for him. I think that's a fitting theory. Don't know how it ties into Mituna though. Might need to get the Classpectanon in here!
>>83863491
What do you think of what I said?
>>83863466
I just talk to my buds about this stuff. We can talk about Karkat getting raped and Jade killing black people all we want.
>>83863465
The B universe doesn't cease existing retroactively because of the miles. It just ends prematurely, it's that simple.
>>83863502
>all the kids enter their holes
>come out the other end black/trans/obese/with those white skin patches
>>83863304
It still doesn't really justify his sudden decision to give up all hope, the whole destruction of the Matriorb was very ham fisted aswell, given Kanaya wasn't actually going to attack him and had just helped him out and was one of the few trolls personable with him. Despite the seemingly genocidal intentions it doesn't make much sense if he was willingly making the decision to betray everyone that he destroyed the seeming hope of the troll's future. Hence why I think he must have been influenced by something, otherwise he just jumps from awkward tool to maximum edgelord.
>>83863491
i'd agree. seers share knowledge for others to use, mages use the knowledge directly to help others, often at great cost for themselves
>>83863530
doom is life's opposite, this i'm 85% certain of, so it's the things that life isn't. life is plants and animals and food, so doom is inanimate things and dead things and rot. life has associations with wealth and energetics, so doom is poverty and cynicism.
however, most importantly, life is a representation of breaking the rules (all three life players wanted to escape the position that their life bound them to: Jane wanted to put reforms into CrockerCorp and (maybe i don't remember) wanted to live a more normal life, Feferi wanted to rework the culling system from the top down, and Meenah wasn't interested in the slightest in the patronizing Beforan system), while Doom is about acceptance of the laws and restrictions that life and society places on you.
>>83863574
it could've just been panic. lord knows how many robbers or burglars have shot someone because of their high stress levels
Classpectanon, Land of Stimulants and Grenades description refers first to the denizen Dionysus, and then later Bacchus. I know they're names for the same entity but which should I go with for correction's sake?
>>83863589
doom is the martyr's aspect
>>83863594
no it was definitely premeditated
if you read his dialogue during Return to the Core, it's very clear that he's already planning to destroy the matriorb. That's why he tells Kanaya not to leave without him.
>>83863603
go with the greek one, if hephaestus is any indication
>>83863574
Yeah, yeah, I know it doesn't justify at all. But it does make it more interesting. I think it was decently led up to; he wanted to be a part of something bigger so the game and Kanaya's knowledge allowed him to become "the destroyer of hope" in a time where he believed there to be none.
>>83863589
Do you think that Doom could be conclusions as well if it's a part of restrictions? Or something along those lines? What else could Sollux's arc represent in metanarrative?
Reminder
>>83863491
>>83863589
I like that view of Mages, though I wonder in the case of Sollux as a Mage of Doom if he knew that knowledge he was using was likely to Doom all his friends, I'd bloody well hope not. If he didn't know, but realised once things started to go wrong and he tried to use his knowledge of Doom to instead help then that's a pretty cool metanarrative. His misuse of knowledge lead to Doom, so he used his knowledge of his own Doom to help his allies.
Or perhaps if we take Doom as meaning adherence to the strict rules of the game, Sollux was accepting of his inevitable Doom, but in acting in accordance with those inevitable rules placed upon him he was rewarded in the end for sticking to his convictions to help others at his own expense.
>>83863603
Bacchus was what was intended, and I accidentally wrote Dionysus.
>>83863594
I mean, you don't shoot the harmless baby in that situation, you shoot the girl holding the chainsaw. He looked pretty composed to me as well all things considered.
>>83863630
I'm not sure about that, him telling her to wait for him to oversee her efforts just seemed like him being self important given the connection the Matriorb had with Hope.
>>83863785
bacchus is the roman name, and the greek names are used for other denizens, so i feel that dionysis is more fitting.
but that's just, like, my opinion man
>>83863785
Gotcha.
>>83863646
*shrug*.
>>83863745
Doom isn't necessarily just adherence to the rules of the game, it's adherence to rules in general. Rules of society, rules of the game, rules of love and war. etc.
>>83863821
yeah, but, consider this: no
>>83863733
That thread was fucking gold, holy shit.
>tfw you weren't that invested in Homestuck.
>>83863835
Darn, you don't know. :|
>>83862990
>Jade "No Brown in Can Town" Harley
>>83861690
>file deleted
Wwhat wwas it
>>83863733
>i said yall'd shit yourselves
FUCK YOU IPGD
>>83863733
it still 8urts
>>83863434
I'm not talking about playing SBURB.
I'm talking about living in a world written by the same Hussie that wrote Vriskagram and Davepeta.
>>83863646
>wanted to be a part of something bigger
Well I'd argue that was Vriska's thing, not Eridans. He seemed to want to live up to those expectations thrust upon him in-keeping with his own self desires, yet failed in every way to achieve that on his own and couldn't connect with others to help him.
Then there's a blank spot in his character arc and he ends up going off the deep end for some reason, despite being shown as this pathetic tool up till that point, all talk and no action so to speak. Had it been more apparent that he on a power-fueled rush as he was finally able to chase his selfish desires then his ending would have made much more sense, but he just seemed way too cool and collected during the events.
>>83863927
It was Hussie signing his name on a piece of paper with the Freedom comic shopped onto it.
>>83863964
Vriska just wanted to be important, Eridan wanted to be valuable in some sort of crusade. I thought it was pretty well-made, just kind of indirect.
>>83863835
Well the idea of it being adherence to rules in general still fits I guess, he was very logical in his thinking, although he was a hacker which is pretty fucking rule breaking if you ask me. Fuck, Doom just seems so much more undeveloped than the other aspects, it's crazy.
>>83863733
https://archive.is/EMCqD
Anyone who wasn't in this thread missed out
>>83857892
I hope that pic isnt related to your post motherfucker
>>83863927
>Wwhat
eri doesnt use capital letters
hand in your badge
Name a more perfect reveal/plot twist than Bec's prototyping.
>>83864008
another thing is that doom feels like misfortune and bad luck, but it's not: it's like 80% about fate.
it's just that a lot of the times fate throws you a really shitty hand, and that feels unfair, so everyone likes to assume that it's bad luck, like karkat's computer exploding and the curse Sollux put on him, or Mituna burning out his psionics: sure, they aren't "fair", but that doesn't mean they're unlucky.
If any aspect has anything to do with straight up "unluck", it'd be void, since that's light's opposite.
(i see the argument that doom is opposite to light and void to life a lot, and I see where they're coming from, and they MIGHT be right (we'll never know), but this is MY interpretation of why it's Light <-> Void (both have to deal with information and luck), and Life <-> doom (Fate and rules vs the breaking of them)).
>>83864007
I guess? But we're not shown his decision making that leads him from point A to point B. Point A being his usual lame, cowardly tool self, point B being traitor and murderer of all Hope. Most of what we're shown with the guy is his desire for relationships, I can't remember the story ever really touching on him wanting to be valuable in that manner outside of his introduction and his interaction with Kanaya when she helps him with his Hope powers.
>>83864028
What're ya gonna do? Whine about how your favorite character was ruined by Hussie? Join the club weenie
>>83864070
the reveal on 4/13/2016 that homestuck will never be redeemed
>>83864070
MSPA Reader: Mental Breakdown
>>83864089
His whole "genocidal complex", his extravagant nature, and love of history all point towards this. I don't really think it was a thought-out decision, he just snapped. And we saw the events leading up to that.
>>83864024
When did the update drop? I just want to skip to the disappointment again.
>>83864178
Midnight EST
So that's 4:00 on the archive page
>>83864070
bec prototyping was pretty weak to be honest
virtually everyone guessed it before hand and yet it still didn't really make sense for bec to prototype himself because he had the power to make the meteor go away already
Maybe I'd go with the Calliope reveal
>>83864194
Thanks.
>>83864106
Hussie didnt ruin jake he just didnt write him the way he really is
>>83864024
All this joy and anticipation and heartfelt weeping for the ending.
I'm reluctant to scroll down any further.
>>83864213
that applies to Jane, Jade, Dirk, Rose, Dave, Kanaya, Karkat etc.
>>83864076
Yeah, I personally prefer the idea that Doom related to fate, given how much of Sollux seemed linked to inevitability. I mean, just being a yellow blood meant he was inevitably going to be slave had sburb not happened, him creating the game from the code come with the inevitable destruction and suffering of him and his friends and most other instances of his influence in the story seem tied in with inevitability, usually negative ones. Although one of his big influentual moments in powering the meteor for a positive fate for his friends leads to his own Doom, which could be taken that being tied with Doom just leads to a terrible fate. Yet in the end he has what can be considered a good end, in that he survives death and Aradia comes back to look after him. I'm not sure what to make of it all truthfully.
>>83864241
Yeah but those characters got ruined because hussie didnt write them the way they really were
>>83864024
I like how you can exactly pinpoint the moment where it goes to shit
>WHAT NO
>THAT CAN"T BE IT
>>83863733
Funny how so many people were pissed that he never showed what happened to Gamzee when it seems so obvious now that Gamzee stayed in the freezer until he reached Caliborn's planet.
>>83864314
Hope turned to Rage.
BKEW was right, Aspect Inversion is real
>>83864144
>And we saw the events leading up to that.
But we didn't, that's the problem. All we see is him being a melodramatic, over the top tool with relationship issues and then the dial gets turned up to 100 and he goes on a killing spree when he gets some power. Again, I think it has grounding in those areas we've discussed like his position as troll nobility, his incredibly high aggression for a troll, his genocide complex despite having low-blood friends and fancies and his love for conquerors. But you have to show that process, in the actual comic, you can't just have it be assumed which seems to be the case here.
>>83864375
His relationship problems were what threw him over-the-top though.
>>83864024
i shit you not, a stream i was watching suddenly put on amazing grace with bagpipes when i clicked that link and started scrolling down
fucking rip
>>83864314
I also love the 9 minute or so period where the thread just stops as everybody's watching the animation. It goes directly from "HOLY FUCK IT'S AN ANIME" to disappointment.
So troll society is just Detroit large scale right?
Can someone do a Strawpoll asking who everyone's favorite character is?
>>83864484
how are the post-scratch kids the "alpha" kids? isn't it the betav2 universe?
i always called them the b1 and b2 kids
Realistically what would have happened if the Beta kids went trickster as well?
>>83864512
Because they play the Sburb alpha instead of the beta.
>>83864484
You do it, you double nigger.
>>83864512
Their version of the game was the Sburb Alpha, and the b1 kids are the Sburb Beta
>>83864523
JOHN: I REALLY LIKE YOU ROSE
ROSE: I ONLY LIKE WOMEN JOHN
JADE: I REALLY LIKE YOU DAVE
DAVE: I WANT TO FUCK ALL OF YOU SO HARD HAHA
>>83864413
But, again, we don't see the transition that signifies that decision being made. Until that point of the big reveal that he's lost all Hope and wants to join Bec Noir he's just the same old aggressive tool with relationship problems. If a character ups the ante to the degree Eridan did you have to show what leads to that decision or it just seems out of place, like it did here even with the foundations in place for the guy to go nuts.
>>83864523
john would have begun phasing through walls upside down while andrew hussie's giant floating head chased him and harlequin played
>>83864530
>>83864535
oh
now i feel stupid
>>83864523
Trickster seems to gve you an adge and stuff in the game. The Alphas going Tricksters allowed them to do all their quests and acquire everything possible in the Void Session (they got Fraymotifs and in a single action Jane brougth life to her planet).
Silly behavior of drunk kids high, the Betas would probably have fulfilled their quests as well and did everything possible in the null session. Take note that quests aside, they already did everything they needed prior to and during Cascade.
Basically, Rose would have played the rain and Beta OT4 would have become canon
what are their classpects /hst/?
>>83864567
His talks about his role and Hope with Kanaya is what led up to it, I think. I barely remember that stuff. Maybe you're right.
>>83864635
Radical larry is a time player for SURE
>>83864635
bard of breath
prince of heart
hordor
witch of space
seer of heart
knight of time
lord of space
>>83864635
>>83864691
>Dave
>Philosopher, poet, warrior... also gay.
I'll never stop being pissed that the quests and denizens were just skipped.
>>83864783
dude mario stars lmao
>>83864658
See that would have been a good transition point, like he aspires to focus on his role as Prince of Hope now he has his abilities a bit more figured out and his relationship issues are going nowhere. So he thinks he's hot shit and that by being the Hope player that somehow means he has jurisdiction over decisions regarding Hope, which leads to his silly decision to state he's going to defect, perhaps due to the whole hangups of Feferi and Sollux still.
Either way that could have been the shit getting serious moment that leads in to him going over the top without him initially intending for it to happen. That would have been much more in-keeping with his character, extremely capable but unable to make the right decisions which results in things blowing up in his face. Show him panicking and suddenly it all makes much more sense and is actually a conclusive character arc.
>>83864783
Come on... Hussie needed to skip all that game bullshit, so he could have time to resurrect Vriska and have Dave rant about toxic masculinity.
>>83864841
FUCK THE SHUT UP
I'm still bitter
>>83864855
you aren't homestuck's audience, gramps
>>83864817
>So he thinks he's hot shit and that by being the Hope player that somehow means he has jurisdiction over decisions regarding Hope, which leads to his silly decision to state he's going to defect
I literally remember this being a part of the comic. But his lack of Hope lead to nihilism and so he just stopped caring about everything; that's more in-character for the concept of him but it definitely needed a little more build-up for that. I just wish he stayed *relatively* benevolent during his freak-out.
Why was it locked on to alpha rose from a time in her childhood?
>>83864535
I don't know how :(
>>83864890
lolonde
*lelonde
*fuck
hiveswap hook?
>>83864876
I can't wait for all the teen girls to eat up Hussie's next project. And I hope all of you are smart enough to avoid it.
>>83864890
It was actually locked onto Beta Rose; Roxy had just assumed it was Alpha Rose as a child. This is why Jasper disappeared in the Beta timeline. Roxy had appearified him into the Alpha timeline until his death, then she sent him back to the Beta timeline where Rose discovered him
>>83864890
So Roxy could get the mom goo and put it in a sprite (but Gamzee cockblocked that (why didn't she do it in the post-retcon timeline I have no idea)).
>>83864997
Rosemomsprite would've be neat
>>83864881
Yea he tells Kanaya to wait for him before doing anything with the Matriorb as he has to oversee it as the Prince of Hope. That's why I have no doubt he didn't intended to harm the thing and it was a panicked spur of the moment thing, another terrible terrible decision out of the guy which would have made sense had he actually been shown panicking. Fuck it was so easy, it was set up and ready to go and somehow Hussie fucked that up, how the fuck do you even manage that?
>But his lack of Hope lead to nihilism
That's the part we don't see, which is again the issue in terms of build up. It makes sense based on what we know of the character, given how poorly his life was going by that point, but it isn't shown to us in a transitional sense which is key to a character arc. If that'd happened then it'd make sense for him to be more collected as a show of force, looking for revenge instead of just a panicked response due to his slip up in revealing his plan.
>>83864890
It was locked onto Beta Rose circa 2000
>>83865030
I don't know. Maybe we should just reread the comic again.
>>83864970
Consider this: Hussie's head ends up leaving his ass, and his new project is completely non-Homestuck related, but has a similar scope to Homestuck, similarly creatively utilizes its medium, and has a similar quality of dialogue, pacing, and characterization as Acts 1-4 (and 5.2).come on hussie, just do this one favor for me
>>83864024
>the last post
>it's another vriskagram
>>83865161
I fear there will be even less there than we've covered, from what I can recall there's either no lead up to him going full nihilism or no display of him panicking and making a bad decision that he runs with. He just kills them because.
>>83865216
Nah, I've mentioned some of the build-up. If anything, I'm forgetting things that helped the writing in this case.
>A land where sugar bomb trees cake everything in a layer of crystallised sugar
Why the fuck do I do this to myself again?
WIP pic, time to get some sleep.
>>83865241
Where? There were character traits that made the result make sense, e.g. genocide fixation, conqueror aspiration, high blooded aggressiveness. But nothing which shows him transitioning from his weenie self into either nihilism edgelord killer or panicked poor decision making killer. He just does it.
>>83865299
The Hope talks with Kanaya, the stuff with the angels, the increasing tensions between everyone; stuff like that and more, I guess. Don't be so negative.
>>83865294
Already looks tasty!
>>83865294
>tfw your land was one of the first 20 written and you're still waiting for the picture, and there are people getting their lands written for them today, and the picture the same day
>>83865346
All those things suggest, but none show. That's a necessary distinction and wasn't made in Eridan's case, despite it being very easy to do. That's what I take issue with, given the lack of conclusive character arcs, we missed out on an easy one with him despite it being 99% there.
>>83865367
fucking chill bro, this whole thing started around a week ago.
>>83865294
Oh, hey, this is mine! Er, are you still willing to make the flies? Not today, of course, go to sleep.
>>83865294
>Why the fuck do I do this to myself again?
Because I love you forever for Bismuth and Fractals.
>>83865413
I think it's OK though!
Why did we have all of the trolls get revived as ghosts if none of them really did much?
>>83865367
I'm just picking cool ones when I see them bruh. After this one, there's one other, then I guess I'll poke around the pastebin or something.
>>83865422
I haven't forgotten fly waifu, anon.
>>83865443
From you reposting it before, I suppose you never saw this updated version then, eh?
>>83865367
Have you seen them all? Mine got finished one day when I wasn't looking.
>>83865452
Well I don't support your reasons for doing so, even if you're entitled to feel that way.
>>83865182
That Hussie is gone, I'm sorry to say.
>>83865182
I'm too jaded to even think about reading another one of his stories. I think he should either finish Homestuck for real, or lose his audience.
>>83865182
>Acts 1-4 (and 5.2)
oh come on, 5.1 was no worse than 5.2 and it was the period of most frequent updates in homestuck's history
>>83863156
trizza is just fish midna
>>83865522
5.1 was good but youre blatantly lying if you think it was good pacing.
>>83865522
>Switching the story to focus on 12 random aliens right after the massive cliffhanger that was [S] Descend
>>83865522
Maybe I'm being a bit hard on it -- at the very least, it provided a good amount of lore and gave us a background on the trolls. I'm probably falling victim to the "Everything Sucks" meme.
>>83865566
it was no worse pacing than the felt intermission
>>83865568
if hussie had called it the "troll intermission" instead of "act 5" then you wouldn't even care
>>83865469
>From you reposting it before, I suppose you never saw this updated version then, eh?
Wow! That is really great! Thank you so much! It really helps show the movement! I didn't realize I missed a thread so I never checked the archive. I've been using this for my wallpaper.
>>83865555i love midna
>>83865568
>>83865624
5.1 was the red flag and we should have bailed right then
Our first taste of Andrew Fauntleroy Hussie, the man, the monster
'RAILS DON'T
>>83865651
>>83865633
>640x480 image as wallpaper
I hope you have some way to upscale that without blurring, anon.
Also, on the subject of missing pictures, might as well say this again now since there'll be a whole different group of people in the thread - I made a tumblr to keep track of all the lands I've drawn.
http://paradoxlands.tumblr.com/
Pic is an experiment in drawing lands from space which I also made just because I needed an icon.
>>83865645
nah man
bailing before Cascade would have been a mistake
it's a much better stopping point than Descend
>>83865684
>I hope you have some way to upscale that without blurring, anon.
I embrace the blur, but yea it would be better for me to upscale it.
Sometimes I read Homestuck while zoomed in anyway, albeit far less.
>>83865697
If we all left when he pulled Hivebent he might have gotten the hint and stuck to the kids for the rest of the comic
But instead, he got a hundred million new readers
>>83865464
they mostly existed to further flesh out the alt timeline thing, show off the god tier designs that neither made it into the main story, put some familiar faces to the victim's of LE, and generally convey the whole 'this is what happens to every single mario that never makes the jump' idea
also what sort of mythology has no stories about people in their hubris trying to escape from the afterlife?
>>83865731
MAXIMUM
SPIDERTHIGHS
>>83857827
>7 letter name
>>83864484
http://www.strawpoll.me/10514583
Couldn't include the dancestors, Midnight Crew, or Felt due to size restrictions. Please don't tell me I typed all this shit up for nothing.
>>83865413
I kinda like that about Homestuck actually, it has a big enough cast that it can get away with going 'this person doesn't get a character arc because they fucked up and don't deserve one anymore'
while yeah, no one else got any conclusive character arcs either, the abrupt ending and glimpse of post-game at least invites the assumption that everyone in the universe got whatever conclusion to their character arc you think they deserve.
>>83865726
he could have handled 4 kids and 12 trolls (of which only five were primary characters)
but then he added 4 more kids, two more trolls, an AI, two cherubs...
>>83865756
You did, you stupid oaf.
>>83865756
It used to be Dave
then Karkat
now it's Caliborn
though Spades Slick would be a strong contender
>>83865776
>Karkat is forever an eternal cuckold
>tfw eternal cuckold ending is better than fucking Davekat and Dave overshadowing Karkat in all of his fucking fanart
>>83865684
>no description on shores and fortresses
yeah, my bad
>>83865776
>the abrupt ending and glimpse of post-game at least invites the assumption that everyone in the universe got whatever conclusion to their character arc you think they deserve.
yes, if that conclusion involves playing soccer and having picnics
>>83865776
That's true. If you extrapolate your own fanfiction in your mind it's kind of satisfying. There have been worse endings.
>>83865731
That's kind of silly. Nice picture though.
Do you know any fantrolls with horns that make an X shape?
>>83865743
Oh, there's no such thing as maximum thighs, you silly, silly man.
one of the weirdest cognitive dissonance aspects of the ending is that it shows the characters participating in these extremely mundane activities (picnics and SPORTS) as if to convey a sense that they get to live normal lives after the ending
but it's not like they went back to their old lives
they're the last of their race living among a civilization that has very limited intelligence and communication abilities
ALL OF HUMANITY IS DEAD
you can't just pretend that shit didn't happen
>>83865776
Every story "invites the assumption" that characters get a conclusion to their arc, as long as they aren't permanently dead. Pick any written work and tell me you can't imagine what might happen after the story is over. Any character can be fleshed out in your imagination; what makes a good writer is the ability to flesh those characters out themselves.
>>83865697
>Cascade
>English
>Act 6 Act 1
>Unite/Synchronize
>Caliborn: Enter
>the death of (John) motivates (Vriska) to get revenge on LE, hunts for the juju
>Homosuck
>stuff with Roxy and Calliope
>Collide
>Act 7
>Homosuck better looking but abridged
>everyone fights LE, glitches galore
>go through the door
>everyone walks the dinosaur
there I just fixed Homestuck
>>83865651
Mind Seeing One Another Naked
>>83865731
I too appreciate these things Anonymous.
>>83865892
>stuff with Roxy and Calliope
DROPPED
>>83865906
Calliope is a cute and you know it.
>>83865920
so is Yui from K-ON but that doesn't mean I want to watch her
>>83865920
She's not.
an overwhelming successstay tuned
>>83865974
ghost buttplug?
>>83865892
Collide was a bad Flash, just saying.
>Cascade
>Sprites limply flinging together for what feels like an hour when the plot summary could be described in 10 seconds.
>Collide.
>Cinematic, doesn't outstay its welcome, great music, and gets the plot rolling.
>>83865989
lol u fucked up
>>83865928
Yui's not cute.
>>83865889
actually take Harry Potter. lots of people were pissed because the epilogue did not invite many assumptions. it told you who hooked up with who, how many kids they had, and that everyone ended up just like their parents history repeating
when what people wanted was the characters actually being shaken up by going to war during the last years of highschool, seeing half their friends die, and witnessessing first hand how dangerous the wizarding world being out of touch with the muggle world's advancements is.
instead what people got was a 'happily every after, history repeats' epilogue with the uncomfortable implication there's just gonna be a new dark lord in thirty years because no one learned anything.
so there's an example of a written work where you can't imagine what might happen afterwards without having to ignore canon.
>>83866007
GOSH DAMN IT. I really did.
>>83865906
someone has to blow up the green sun so gamzee and the crowbar can reach caliborn
>>83865989
I enjoyed Collide. I thought the Condesce fight could've used more movement instead of all the still shots though.
>>83866030
I don't think that's how those events played out
>>83865889
>Every story "invites the assumption" that characters get a conclusion to their arc, as long as they aren't permanently dead.
Huh, never read Animorphs, eh? Lucky you.
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