What are some of Gravity fall's flaws, if any?
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>>83748055
they could stop bill with a time wish
>>83748055
It had one good mystery, everything other than the author was just weird unexplainable shit. That isn't too bad, but I was hoping for more.
>>83748055
no real conseques. Stan shouldnt of come back, the ending shouldnt of been that PREFECT. Have some bad writers damn.
>>83748174
Well, I think that was more an executive mandate then a creative choice, but do believe if you can't kill off a character, you shouldn't kill off a character.
I geuss ultimately the writers could have fixed it, but its not their fault. plus, we don't know if anyone had asked the executives if they could do that before finalizing the finale, or if the executives flip-flopped after some focus testing.
The complete lack of weight and urgency in tense moments. You have the fucking apocalypse going on and there are characters still cracking jokes and one liners.
>>83748055
The finale didn't involve Giffany, Stan's copy machine and Dipper never got to use a the President's key after "Irrational Treasure".
>>83748055
the ending's insta-cop-out (could have worked with the right pace), and romance episodes (except the soos one, that one was great)
>>83748174
>shouldnt of
>>83748055
>Mabel got shit around s2 became more selfish/hypocritical/entitled
>mysteries got boring around s2
>they pulled a HUGE cop out with Stan getting his memory back. I was really hoping Alex would have the balls to do it but NOPE. Ended like every cartoon does, happily ever after. Fuck that shit.
>bill was NEVER totally explained, also the reason why Stan was in the portal. There was so much fucking potential for this show that was wasted.
Also Alex is fucking annoying as a human being.
>WOAHHH TWEETED A PHOTO GIVING TRUMPS NAME ON HOLLYWOOD THE FINGER, LOOK AT HOW LIBERAL I AM GUYS
>>83748507
>Gyffani
Waifufags have their opinion automatically discarted.
>>83748055
Mabel being able to get away with too much shit.
>>83748055
>if any
shit man the whole series is like gravity flaws
>>83748055
Wish there was a heavier shift towards comedy or something serious, because I feel like it gets mediocre when it tries to shoehorn both.
Soos never contributed to something solemn except for that one flashback episode he had.
I was expecting X-Files light but got a standard Disney cartoon instead.
Mable became increasingly insufferable.
Stanford didn't get enough development and what little he did get came at the cost of Stanly's character.
Too many people waifued Wendy who is a boring 2-dimensional shit.
Bill was an uninteresting villain and was basically Claptrap with more confidence personality wise.
World building and lore were honestly REALLY overrated, the the former feeling cobbled together randomly (wierd shit happens... BECAUSE!) while the latter came in the form of regular info dumps.
Art style was average at best (fucking fishbowl eyes and stick limbs), regardless of the nice colors on backgrounds.
Overall S1 was good, S2 was hit and miss, finally was pretty shit (T-Rex arm and Stanly's implied sacrifice were the only parts I genuinely liked).
Overall 7/10, needed more Gideon.
>>83748055
Do you really need to ask?
>>83749114
I believe that the Stan thing was due to Disney executives.
I saw somewhere that if alowed, Hirch would have used the type of things that happens on Rick&Morty on the show, not going for a edgefest, but at least being able to show some things that Disney would mever allow.
Isso don't care for why he says and which kind of people he is when is not working. Caring about it is a tumblr thing, his works should stand by its own merits and not be compared to his personal life to be considered good or bad. I even say this as someone who will vote from Trump.
I think that his only fault at the end, was giving up on doing a third season - and Disney wanted to give him one more. He got tired of fighting the executives to do what he wanted, and he also was crazy in DOING A SHIT TON ON JOBS at the same time on the production. He probably was tired of it, which is a common mistake for a young animator in charge of a big production that, unlike Gendy or Graig Mckraken, know how to divide the production.
I still fund unfair the way that /co/ treat him tho, he still delivered a season and a half of one of the best cartoons on the last years.
Season 2's second half needed more Pacifica, since she was an amazing breakthrough Western Animation needed for some time with the obnoxious rich bitch stereotype.
I hear that Leni and Lori Loud have already surpassed her, though, but Pacifica deserved a whole lot better in Season 2, honestly speaking.
>>83749485
>I think that his only fault at the end, was giving up on doing a third season
It probably doesn't help that, from the sounds of it, Hirsch was pretty indecisive when making the decision to end the show that Disney was still waiting for an answer in regards to season 3 when season 2 was nearly halfway over. Which kind of explains why the second half of season 2 feels so rushed, especially with some of its info dumps.
On the one hand I can't say I blame him since this was a rather ambitious project from someone's first show on top of all the extra work he put on himself. And despite having an extremely flawed finale and hit-and-miss second season, it was overall a pretty good show.
But on the other it's hard not to notice that most of the pacing issues seem to have stemmed from Hirsch being a wishy-washy faggot who couldn't commit to a plan.
>>83748055
season 2
Needed one more season.
And also more fanservicefor gay chubby chasers, too bad it took the finale to make Stan a hunkle for me
Mabel was apparently a good character? I was waiting for her to get some sort of comeuppance or learn a lesson about how awful she is, but I came to realise that she was supposed to be likeable.
Also the entire of season 2b was garbage
>>83750639
>For all the shit she did and was at fault for, no one ever called her on her shit.
GF's biggest fuck up.
>>83750925
>tfw no one ever even mentioned the whole Mabel destroying the world thing that happened
No quality Stan porn.
>>83748055
Season 2B lack the power that season 1 and season 2A had.
A third season could really really help.
>>83748055
True indisputable best ship never happened.
>>83750462
2A was by far the best part of the series. 1 had too much crush plot bullshit.
>>83751589
Stan has some decent fanservice in the show if that counts
Everything with Mabel near the end was garbage. She wasn't right, and she will never be right. She was just selfish.
>>83749460
dude that was legit the best part of the finale. they turned the mystery shack into a fucking gundam. complete with a t-rex for an arm. all I can say to you is pic related.
>>83748507
tumblr nose.
>>83748096
I think he's beyond time baby's control, considering he killed him. Yeah, Bill needed a physical form to effect him, but I think Bill's metaphysical form was beyond Time Baby's power to effect or he would have done something sooner.
>>83748134
>"Lots of weird stuff is going on, it's almost like monsters live in these woods."
>"They do."
>"...Oh ...okay then."
>>83748055
Mabel never paid for her crimes against humanity.
It should have ended with everyone finding out what she had done and shunning her forever. Then, Bill goes back to his dimension and takes Mabel with him as a sex slave for all eternity as punishment.
>>83748055
>Fixing Stan's memory BECAUSE DISNEY
>>83751589
not even that one of him fucking the Chuck E Cheese's animatronic animal?
the only flaw I really have is that Mable gets away with too much, and Dipper gets away with nothing.
>>83754915
Except he said both he and his twin were Mabels.
>>83754915
Because Stan was a criminal that run away and was in prison on South America, and is ALSO the guy responsable for ruining the chances of the family be rich and his brother going to College.
He is a pretty fucking big black sleep, and I can see a guy like Stan's dad never talking much about him for his other son. He is just the guy that run away.
>>83754915
>why didnt grunkle stan (or anyone else in the pines family for that matter) just mention that he had a twin brother?
Because that would kind of blow the lid off him pretending to be his brother.
>>83754915
Also, Dipper didn't show it for him until the finale because he followed the rule of not belieaving or trusting anyone, that was written on the journal.
This is show as a giant, and the most obvious, flaw of Ford. Actually the entire thing of Mabel giving the rift to Bill would have been avoided if he had said such important information to his family. But he always think that he is special and must face things alone.
>>83755141
Also, the rest foi the family has NO IDEA of where Stan really is. They only know where Ford live.
Also, didn't Stan faked his death or something?
>>83755183
Yeah he faked his death presumably so nobody would ever think that Ford might not be Ford.
>>83755398
Butthurt Wendipfag detected.
Just can't deal with Best Ship stealing Slutty McRedhead's thunder.
>>83755398
You are a retarded shipper. Your opinion doesn't matter and is biased.
>>83755398
The criminal past was brought up a bunch of times.
Stan went off the family radar at a really young age and Ford fucked off to the woods, before Shermie was old enough to know to know them. I doubt Stan's dad ever talked about his son that he kicked out and Ford wasn't the type to communicate with the family much. I highly doubt that Dipper's parents knew that Ford had a twin and any interaction they had with 'Ford' was probably with Stan, Stan being at the twins birth and all.
Stan needed to pretend to be Ford because he was homeless and all the deeds to the house were in Ford's name. He needed to keep the house to keep ahold of the portal to get Ford back.
>>83753173
Not every huge fight scene is an anime reference. Big robots and giant monsters existed as concepts long before anime.
Alex being a hack.
He's basically George Lucas, he spits out creative idea but without a support team to refine them they come out a mess. Hence how the best episode's are ones he has nothing to do with.
>>83755812
>as stanford's surviving closest of kin, wouldnt the shack just go to stanley anyway?
If he'd paid for it upfront or finished paying his mortgage, then possibly. I don't think it works quite like that. Also would mean saying that Stanford was dead either admitting about the portal and having that shit shut down immediately ruining any chance of getting Ford back or not being able to prove he was 'dead' at all because there was no body.
Also perhaps the mother might have said about Stan to Shermie but by the time Shermie would have been old enough she would have been telling him about his 'dead' brother.
Even if the family knew about Stan, Stan was considered long dead and long dead great uncles who you never knew don't really come up in conversation much.
Stan was a bit of a shit about letting Dipper and Mabel get into danger but he didn't tell them because he was a paranoid old man who couldn't risk the secret of the portal getting out or it would have ruined his chances of getting Ford back. He's not just about to go blabbing his deepest secrets to some 12 year olds he barely knew because 12 year olds don't keep secrets.
>>83752863
>season 1 gideonbot
>season 2 shacktron
>both finale required giant robot to become big as possible
That's when I noticed the lack of creativity in the finale. Combining with a cheap laughs before fighting that ruined the tension, and rock version of theme playing in the background that I thought kinda retarded.
>>83748055
this kind of thing exists
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=57393065
>>83756281
Because Stan kept up the Ford act in front of their parents, they thought he was responsible and educated. The parents did know him that was why he was at the twins birth. It was shown that he was lying to them over the phonecalls.
>>83756385
So why didn't the twins immediately realize Stan isn't acting like the genius scientist their parents think he is?
>>83756474
Because the twins didn't know him as well as their parents did. We don't know what the parents said to Dipper and Mabel they might have just said 'yeah we're putting you in the care of your uncle for a few months so you can get some fresh air and we can get some peace and quiet.'
>>83755812
Why would the house go to Stan? Ford was pretty young to have had a will at that point, and even if he did he was still pissed at Stan. Even if he did, there was still the issue of Ford's mortgage and the fact that he's a wanted criminal in most states. Stan would be arrested before he could ever claim the house legally.
As for their mother not mentioning him, she was likely long dead by the time Dipper and Mabel were born, and both Stans were out of the house by the time Shermie would've been old enough to meet Stan well after Ford fell through the portal and his parents probably didn't talk about either much between Stan being kicked out and Ford becoming a complete shut-in, so he likely wouldn't have much of a frame of reference to compare the two.
Plus the Shermie and Dipper and Mabel's parents probably wouldn't want to mention anything about Stan having a twin considering they never met him and, from their perspective, Stan died in a car crash and wouldn't want the twins bothering Stan about having a dead twin if since that would probably be a sore spot.
>>83756281
>"why are dipper and mabel's parents sending them to this creepy old great uncle that lives innawoods for 30 years without any prior knowledge of his background or intentions?"
I think in the game there's a bit where Stan talks about going with Grandpa Shermie to the hospital the day Dipper and Mabel were born, which seems to indicate that Stan was close to him and Dipper and Mabel's parents. Odds are Stan just didn't visit as often before the show started and therefore the twins didn't know him that well.
Most of Gravity Falls's problems come from the fact that a lot of the story was crammed into Season 2B.
This all happened in Season 2B
>Author was introduced
>Dipper and Mabel "growing farther apart" (they didn't feel like they got that far apart though)
>Ford and Dippy
>Stan and Ford conflict
>The Rift being introduced
>Dipper and Ford not trusting anyone leading to ironic fate
>Bill trying to find his way to the real world
>Blendin being possessed at some point between The Last Mabelcorn and Dipper and Mabel Vs. The Future
>Dipper and Mabel's 13th birthday and growing up drama
>A waste of an episode called "Roadside Attraction"
>Mabel accidentally breaking the rift and causing Weirdmageddon
>Mabel going into denial and living in her bubble
>Dipper rescuing Mabel
>Dipper leading gang to stop Bill
Just a lot of stuff to cram into half a season making it feel rushed
it feels too fast paced when you rewatch it back to back.
It really could've benifited from a 3rd season.
Not to mention some characters never got the development they deserved or they only got development for one epiosde (Gideon, Pacifica, Robbie, etc)
>>83756649
I just discovered that my mother had a dead twin at 12 years old.
Things like this happen.
>>83757246
Uh, did you mean to respond to someone else?
>>83748055
Everything after NWHS, because it showed all the signalling and all the allege hints and deep lore were nothing but a farse told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
>>83751589
There have been at least three threads on /y/ that aside from some billdip are just well drawn stancest porn.
>>83749485
Eh, I will say /co/'s disappointment on the show is entirely warranted, if not the high level vitriol that came with it.
I used to admire Alex, but I just lost all respect for him after the finale.
>>83756026
no but see, this is actually a good joke
he makes a lot of shitty republican jokes, it's not hard to find one
>>83758047
>muh Manzi
you mean
>>83748055
>>83748077
Make your samefagging less obvious next time, you fucking hack.
Was it ever explained why Ford wanted to keep the rift a secret from Stan and Mabel?
Did he really think that one of them would brake the rift on purpose and cause the end of the world just for the hell of it?
>>83748055
Too ambitious for its own good. Could not deliver what it promised.
>>83748055
Season 2b. I'm not some rabid hater of it, in fact I liked it just like I enjoyed Gravity Falls as a series, but it was weaker than the rest of the series. After the huge theory that propelled the fan base was revealed as true, there wasn't much left for us to wonder about. We had Bill Cipher, the wheel...and...well, that's it.
Bill Cipher ended up being pretty much everything I thought he would be, but the wheel fucking sucked and was a huge let down. The Stan brothers fucked up that plan, and despite ruining the one thing that would have immediately stopped Bill, they suffered no lasting consequences for it. They copped out in the end with giving Stan back his memories and the show ended with a fizzle rather than a bang.
Still a good series, but the finale and the lack of an interesting mystery to wonder about hurt season 2b for me.
>>83748055
Would have been better on AS or somewhere else it could get away with more, prove me wrong.
>>83757155
Yeah, this guy gets it.
On an semi-unrelated note, if the general conclusion of 2B was moved to 3B, then what's the antagonist for 2B's finale?
>Gideon, again?
>FBI agents?
>Bill possession?
>Bill-like enemy?
>>83761496
Adult Party Cartoon
>>83761496
So what is the supposed adult show Hirsch is working on? It seems like ages since he announced it and I kind of want to know what kind of show GF could have been with that kind of freedom.
>>83757992
Underrated comment, have a (you)
>>83749768
This isn't really true. She played the alpha bitch thing 100% seriously in everything but Northwest Mansion Mystery and the last two minutes of Golf War. Even in the finale.
>>83748055
Too much attempts at comedy - trying to cram joke into every fucking second of screentime
Mabel being a bitch
Dipper encouraging this behavior
Generally disappointing climax
Far too few mysteries
>>83761002
I like Ford but he is retarded and quite honestly pretty much everything really was his fault.
>>83757155
Pretty much, basically 2 seasons getting crammed into 1 caused the issues here.
I liked how season 2 started with the secret black light notes and the bunker hinting at clues to a more consistent mystery plotline. I wish they hadn't abandoned that for more monsters of the week.
>>83763940
Well, he's pretty much implied to be autistic.
>>83757155
Reboot when?
>>83763987
Not even that, a whole bloody season crammed into half a season, with the remaining half season we were supposed to get shot to make way.
>>83764145
Hopefully never, there has never been a good reboot.
>>83748055
Everything about its comedy. Mabel. Not enough mystery.
>>83748174
I think I heard from a twitter post somewhere or tumblr or something (so this is word of mouth, but take it as you will) that the writes actually WANTED someone to either die permanently or lose their memories permanently, but the executives at Disney said "Okay we've let you get away with a LOT of stuff on this show, we're pulling our card now, we can't let you kill a character off." So that might explain it.
WhoStancest here
>>83764145
It's Disney, reboot will happen once they're done rebooting their current set of reboots/sequels.
>>83752863
>gundam
>>83755767
>Not every huge fight scene is an anime reference
This one literally was though. They had Soos showing McGucket anime beforehand with McGucket taking notes.
They never used the President's Key.
The finale pulled top ratings in Japan.
>>83765843
>They never used the President's Key.
this and the shape shifter was never touched upon again
Wouldn't a season 3 have been good, taking place during the weirdmaggedon? Imagine them spending them more time in woods in a mobile mystery shack, with other characters.
The others could be developed, we could actually like the author, mysteries like the cipher circle could be touched upon And explored, and we could have a lot more mystery hunting. It'd be a cool change of pace I think.
>>83766008
I would have liked this. Sort of like an Avatar thing? Where they travel around? Or do you mean a Gurren Laggen where they're kind of just having a mobile base?
When they made Bill touchable I became so fucking bored. How the fuck do you set up a Cthulhu-like being that was kid friendly enough to be on Disney but then screw it up by making him look like a Saturday morning Power Ranger villain of the week when he finally had some power? He was more interesting to me before he became physical. At least they didn't kill him with a big gun or something stupid like that, he did die in a non-physical way. Seriously, he had fucking goons for crying out loud.
Gravity Falls Z when?
>>83766067
Lazy and/or rushed writing and network restrictions.
>>83748055
It never answered questions and reneged on promises to do so. The plot to defeat Bill was trite and uninspired.
For a finale it was extremely disappointing, which almost makes me wonder if Hirsch isn't secretly planning a third-season with a huge time skip.
>>83766118
That finale really felt like Disney dropped the hammer down everything. Weirdmageddon?
>Dipper literally gives up his dreams for Mabel
>Not even a compromise where they both stay in GF while he apprentices
>He just throws it away for the cunt
Really left a bad taste in my mouth.
>>83748055
overall treatment of Dipper mostly
here's a guy whose sacrificed a shit ton for his siter, even going so far as to basically give up on one of his biggest quests to help her impress a boy, but what happens when he has this gigantic opportunity to do something he's always wanted, and what happens?
his sister acts like its the end of the world because they won't be living together anymore. nevermind the fact that this is the age of the goddamned internet where they can basically stay in communication in the blink of an eye
so she decides to do something horrifying when you actually think about it. she agrees to make summer last forever, ensuring that the town would be stuck in a bubble of time, just because she's afraid to grow up and accept that things change. then, she ends up bringing on weirdmageddon by giving something important looking from her brother's backpack to someone who tried killing them the last time they met
and she goes into a fantasy world where she's 100% content making a completely fake version of her brother who's little more than a shitty radical 90s version that'll do whatever she wants
and how do we resolve this gigantic issue? Dipper gives up the future he's always wanted in exchange for his sister not crying herself to death because her brother's doing something he's always wanted
>>83766067
I've seen this said before, but basically there was some dissapointment over how Bill played that, and I think part of it was that the show wasn't about him. There was a lot of interesting background stuff: the ciphers obviously, conspiracy symbolism, cut material, Flatland, Lovecraft shit, and so on. But Bill was barely in the show, the show itself wound up being short, and in the end he wound up a pretty cut and dry cartoony bad guy with the odd chuckle worthy one liner or moment. But he was just meant as background noise to the important characters, it's just some fans got fixated on him.
>>83748055
the ending
>>83748294
But then people would complain it's not a real cartoon because no comedy.
>>83748055
2nd season really does feel rushed and like two seasons crammed together
mabel never learns and keeps being selfish
>>83767658
What's funny is how effective and tense the few times they did this were, like the endings of NWHS and DaMvtF.
you posted it op. worst character bar none.
>>83767638
Part of the this I think stems from the things that drew to Bill in the first place were kinda thrown out the window once he got a physical form. When he had that physical limitation he had to serve as more of a manipulator in order to get other people to enact his plans for him, and this usually came about in Bill tended to bring out the worst in characters and exploit their flaws.
But then as soon as he became all powerful he didn't need to do those things anymore and he barely interacted with any of the main characters as a result. I kinda get that they were trying to get across with Bill being an all-powerful Lovecraftian horror with the impulse control of a little kid on a sugar rush, which could've been equal parts funny and terrifying if handled better, but then all of his scenes barely connected with what was going on in the rest of the finale. Hell, we don't even see him react to Mabel's bubble being destroyed after two episodes of build up.
>>83748055
Internet memes
>>83748055
Mabel.
>>83766293
This kinda infuriated me the most. Throughout the entire show Mabel only devolves as a character, actually becoming more and more selfish and at the very end of the show the lesson she learns is "with enough bitching and denial I can get whatever I want"
>>83749161
>spelling it Gyffani
>>83768094
Sometimes I wonder if this was partly a side effect to Hirsch basing her after his own sister and making this aspect so well known. I think he's mentioned a few times she called him up to chew him up about stuff from their childhoods into the show, so I wouldn't be surprised if that might have effected how they treated Mabel as a character to avoid that.
>>83748055
Bill wasn't lewd enough.
Its not funny, i watched a couple of episodes and only the double Dipper one made me laugh.
>>83768575
Really? A lot of Gravity Falls episodes are pretty hilarious
>Sock Opera
>The Deep End
>Anything with Bill in it except the finale
how many episodes did you watch? the first 7? the early episodes aren't that great anon
>>83768701
Dunno, 10-12 or something like that.
>>83768744
10-12 episodes? So about halfway through Season 1? Season 2 gets a lot better with comedy and mysterywell, Season 2A that is
What is it with Disney and unsatisfying endings?
>Gravity Falls left behind lots of potential
>Phineas and Ferb's finale felt meh
>Wander Over Yonder is cancelled and forced to have a finale early
>>83765977
I'm pretty sure the shape shifter was supposed to be the ice bucket, but the entire 3rd season was cut and they had to save time with that ass pull.
>>83768915
I'm still pissed Wendy was the ice bag because "she's cool"
Can someone rewrite Season 2B of Gravity Falls in the form of a comic or something?
>>83768788
Might pick it back up later but today my grandma comes over from the old country.
>>83748055
Not using the fucking crashed alien spaceship to nothing by the end. NOTHING.
And Time Baby basically being a useless time god.
>>83761002
Because Alex has no idea on how to write is character. Also he stated that Ford was meant to be unlikable, so there's that.
The fact that Dipper had more than enough clues to find the Author's true identity, but didn't because reasons.
Everyone here pretty much said what I wanted too, but one of the biggest problems in the series for me which played a large part in Weirdmaggedon.
The fucking idiot balls. You can say, "Well Anon, it's a Disney show and a cartoon to boot. Of course there's going to be idiot balls." And I'm fine with that. But when characters holding the idiot ball turns into the main characters getting plot armor or becoming on the spectrum levels of retarded that's when I have a problem.
Dipper should have figured out that the Author was Ford or Stan (since that's what people know him as), Mabel should have learned to separate playtime and when to suck her shit in and be a big sister. Not to mention she should be making sacrifices too. Ford should not be making so many mistakes for someone of his caliber and intelligence(his entire character was handled so terribly good lord), and Bill. Bill worked as an incorporeal eldritch triangle, not so much as a corporeal one. Especially when he must have been asleep until everyone came to rescue Ford. It took him THREE DAYS to find out he couldn't leave Gravity Falls?!?! Are you shitting me?! Not to mention everything he did after that was just...wretched.
Not to mention that the moment everyone showed up in Mabelland, they should have immediately told her what was up instead of pussyfooting around like retards, and no. I don't buy that, "They were hypnotized." bullshit.
>>83770671
Something else because I was running out of space.
Alex needs to learn to seperate his fictional characters from his actual family. The fucking bias he shows throughout the series and in his interviews should not have existed. I get, you love our sister and your grunkle Stan is awesome but your story is being ruined because you think these character can do no wrong. That if people are showing dislike towards these characters means that THEY'RE wrong, not the characters themselves is a shitty, petty thing to think. And if people like a character that you heavily dislike (Ford) and go out of your way to make him unlikable MUST mean that they're just sympathizers. Nope, can't possibly be that he's an interesting character with the added baggage of being the Author of the Journals and Bill's ex-partner, no matter how hard you bastardize him.
>>83770809
Is there any actual source on Alex disliking Ford or is this just /co/ making wild assumptions and playing armchair psychologist again?
>>83770912
http://www.tvinsider.com/article/73765/gravity-falls-series-finale-alex-hirsch-interview/
This interview sheds some light on how Alex views Ford, there's others but I couldn't save them. Also, read this shit because Word of God.
What intrigues me it's that gravity falls got censored by a spin the bottle joke they got really mad but in wander over yonder they display one and nobody said nothing.
>>83771960
I haven't watched woy but is it possible that the gravity falls one got canned because they were children?
>>83772019
Most likely so because Spin the Human got through.
>>83768858
Phineas and Ferb has no story to begin with.
Wander Over Yonder might have been great if it wasn't for the fact that it got cancelled.
>>83772195
Or that they choose the wrong theme song. The spastic shit we got didn't fit the show at all. If you Wander was a thousand times better for the purpose and mood it normally went for.
>>83772019
yeah you are right but they lay off a gay vibe between wander and hater (he literally says that he wanted the bottle to point at hater )that's what makes me wonder why they didn't censored it , beecause disney re so closed minded fucks
>>83767867
I agree, Bill didn't do much in the finale but kind of float around, literally, and wait for the next set piece with the MCs to happen.
I think making him a big physical threat did kind of ruin his M.O. and what made him an interesting antagonist, but I feel like it could have been handled better.
>>83772642
Weirdmageddon as a whole was so disappointing. It had its moments, but with the buildup to releasing a demon of unimaginable insanity it was kind of boring for him to just sit on a throne of people and make floating eyeballs and giant feet appear around the town. I feel like they could have made the town weirder and Bill less one-note than "I want to sit here and rule the town." His henchminions were disappointing too and they did almost nothing except get their asses collectively whooped.
>>83773061
What? You mean those WEIRDNESS BUBBLES OF PURE MADNESS!!! weren't enough for you?
>>83774004
That was actually pretty cool, but the rest of weirdmaggeadon was still hot trash
>>83774713
The fact that those flying eyeballs were all Bill had to offer as monsters/creatures aside from his henchmaniacs and the town going wacko was disappointing as hell. Not to mention said henchmaniacs getting their assess handed to them so easily. And special mention goes to Bill who, instead of using any of his abilities, like say, getting rid of breathable air, vaporizing everything in the surrounding area repeatedly until the heat burns them alive, or buffing his friends up again because they CLEARLY weren't affected by the Shack Protection was dumb. What the hell happened to you Bill?
>>83775158
I also wanted to see more of the citizens cowering. I loved the scene in the alternate themesong with them all huddled around the fire.
Maybe we would have had time for that stuff if Mabel didn't need an entire episode dedicated to bringing her out of a dream world. Especially when nobody thought to just flat out tell her "Hey, everyone you know and care about is out there being tortured by Bill so quit being a bitch and come on"
>>83755513
Should've said "send a Pine Tree into the Northwest Passage"
Come on, so close.
>>83775652
Gara's first languang isn't english
>>83765875
What is that list supposed to represent?
>>83748055
Jesus christ, I just finished this just now.
I wasn't even in a lot of threads. I didn't even watch the episodes on time. But why do I feel like I emotionally invested in this series a lot? It wasn't even a perfect ending, but I'mcryingat it.
Fuck you, Alex Hirsch. I'm gonna miss this show.
>>83757246
I just discovered in my mid twenties that my grandma had another sibling who died when she was a baby due to fever, and that my grandma probably witnessed the baby's last breaths.
>>83766008
This would have been great. Better transition for Gideon to become good again, focus on the Stan twins, and create a bigger rift between Dipper and Mabel.
No bigfoot episode
>>83768523
Yes.
>>83766284
At first I didn't like how he had to give up the apprenticeship for Mabel, but if you think about it he's just fucking 13. He needs to enjoy life first before getting himself cooped up like Ford. Dipper lacks the social skills already.
High expectation on 2B has led to disappointment for some people
>>83775335
I liked the Mabelland episode for the jokes. Removing that episode wouldn't improve the finale though. Everything was rushed by not having a third season.
>>83776545
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it if it didn't seem unnecessary. Like what was stopping Mabel from staying too? If they could make arrangements for Dipper to stay for an apprenticeship, why couldn't they find a way to enroll Mabel in the local school and continue working for Stan? It would work into mirroring Stan and Ford's relationship since Mabel and Dipper would be in the same situation except rather than fighting and going separate ways they'd continue to stay together.
What does this say?
>>83776805
That, I agree. I don't even think they mentioned if their parents would agree to the apprenticeship, or if their parents wouldn't agree to Mabel staying too. They really did rush the ending and made terrible arguments for the twins. I miss NWHS.
>>83776545
"Cooped up" Except he and Ford most likely wouldn't even be staying in Gravity Falls. And what life? He had no friends, no one but Mabel and his parents (probably) really count as people who would miss him and I'd rather him go with Ford doing what he loves and experiencing all sorts of exciting adventures that would inspire confidence and help him grow rather than him being Mabel's little bitch who thinks she does no wrong and continuing to give up everything for her.
When I was twelve/thirteen I was pretty much like Dipper and I had to choose between going around the world with my father's side of the family or going back home with my actual family. Dire circumstances made me go back home, but that's still a big what-if. If I had the opportunity to grow up and travel around the world doing what I loved with like-minded people, I would be completely different to how I am now. That's one of the biggest reasons why I'm so pissed off at how the apprenticeship was handled. Even if there was a lengthy discussion between Dipper, Mabel, and Ford (instead of that weird tug-a-war they had), and a few episodes to simmer,and Dipper still decided to stay with Mabel. I'd still be pissed, but I could understand. What they did, where Mabel basically did the bratty child thing of holding her breath until she gets what she wants (Dipper giving in) was wrong in all the ways.
>>83776637
High expectations set by Alex and Disney constantly hyping everything + the constant hiatuses didn't help. Of course, the blame lies entirely on there not being a season 3 or movie. 2B was Not Good, and neither was the finale. t was all very obviously rushed. Sayin, "It's the story Alex wanted to tell." is a lie becuase the story Alex wanted to tell had three seasons or two seasons and a movie. Accept that everything was rushed, quality lowered significantly, nobody had a clue on what the fuck they were doing as the finale drew close, and the story was barely told.
>>83756160
Best thing I can say is schlocky. Meaning, fun to make, watch, and animate but not narratively satisfying.
>>83776944
>He had no friends,
Which is exactly why I feel he shouldn't get too cooped up like Ford yet, and should live like a normal high school kid for a couple of years.
I do agree with you at how shitty they handled Mabel and the whole argument. Mabel could have stayed, or both the twins could transfer to the nearby school and Dipper can still do the apprenticeship during off-days.
You seem to be affected a lot because of your big what-if.
>Have we, the prisoners, become the wardens?
At least that exchange got a chuckle out of me
>>83777147
The inmates were actually pretty great background characters.
I know Bill was unfortunately lackluster in the finale but the scene of him goading Dipper in to hitting him was top.
>>83777221
I liked how he shuffled Pacifica's dad's face. I felt kind of relaxed at his character for some reason, and it reminded me how fucked up he was. A shame the rest of the finale was lackluster, Bill-wise
>>83777107
>You seem to be affected a lot because of your big what-if.
Well yeah, I'm on 4chan aren't I :V
But seriously, I don't think Dipper is the type to make friends. He seems like the kind of guy who only wants like-minded people (excluding his family, because they're all he has) and won't make any compromises. In all his time in Gravity Falls, he never sought out to make any friends, even when Mabel made some of her own. I'm all for Dipper having friends to go on adventures and hang out with, but that'll never happen. Which is why I think he should play it safe and go with Ford. And it's not like he and Mabel won't ever see each other. Skype, Face Time, texting, emails, and or just visiting should be more than enough to sustain there oh so perfect twinship.
Also I don't want him growing up with Mabel. That's just a fuse waiting to pop.
>>83777282
He should have killed somebody.
>>83748055
The finale was too sad and made children cry with the death of a friendly and lovable character.
>>83777365
I'm just saying you're using the show's narrative to fill whatever what-if you pine so much.
I think Dipper is capable of making friends, especially with people who are like him. He is an idiot when he socializes, but he tries, and that's great. You sound like you just want him to not try. Let us not project.
>>83776944
I wouldn't trust Ford to raise any kids or even be around them long, honestly...
>>83777669
This is a good point. He pushes them into really risky situations, like he doesn't know they're kids. I still like his character though.
>>83777518
Pfft. I'm not projecting. I'm just saying that the entire apprenticeship being thrown out of the window pissed me off because that's a big thing to a young person with barely anything to hold them down. And like I said, he never tried to socialize with anyone but Wendy's friends. And that was to impress her. He's shown that he doesn't care what the new fads are, he hates compromises (unless it's Mabel), and like I mentioned earlier, he clearly likes and goes for like-minded people. Not ones who are going to pick on him or tell him his theories are dumb. And once again, I'm all for him getting friends, or at the very least, showing that he has the capacity to *want* to be in a long term friendship with other people that isn't Mabel. But out of the two evils (going back to Piedmont with Mabel and no friends or going with Ford around the world/Gravity Falls and discovering anomalies and creating theories), I'd rather he pick Ford.
>>83777669
Heh, it's a choice between emotional abuse (Mabel), or physical abuse (Ford).
Truly, there is no good answer.
Insider scoop is that Alex did in fact alienate a majority of his staff with the way he handled the show at the end; particularly head writer Matt Chapman, who left midway through Season 2B in disgust.
>>83777475
link to vid please
>>83778080
All this behind the scenes drama shit has been posted since show ended (probably before that) and I've yet to see a source.
>>83778391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv3Hoxs7PUk
>>83748055
>What are some of Gravity fall's flaws, if any?
season 2
>>83749018
lol this made me laugh... I am so tired and everything is so funny.
Thank you
Would people still love and put up with Mabel if she were a he who constantly makes his sister give up everything for him and acts lie a selfish prick?
>>83781485
Probably praise him for being alpha.
>>83781516
I believe it. Tumblr might not like him as much though.
>>83781485
Well, if you just inverting the "boy crazy" element of Mabel you'd basically have a younger version of Johnny Bravo, though probably with a less amounts of the slapstick that made Johnny Bravo charming. But as for the rest of her personality, the closest male equivalent I can think of at the top of my head is maybe Bloo from Foster's Home - and I personally didn't like him too much either.
Though I've noticed that a lot of dislike for Mabel is directed more at the writers forcefully bending the plot in way that almost deliberately ignores a lot of mistakes or wrongdoings Mabel has done so that she never has to learn from them or grow as a person. That kind of thing doesn't really warm people up to any character.
>>83748055
There simply wasn't enough of Pacifica sporting her monsterous G cups.
>>83781930
they don't care as long as the guy is attractive
>>83748055
>not Gravity Flaws
>>83778535
I just want to hear about the stabbing thing.
>>83782884
But he's a little boy.
>>83781930
They'd probably like him more. Tumblr likes Dipper a lot more than Mabel because muh overidentification and some of Tumblr and 4chan's anti-Mabel bullshit is identical.
>>83784330
I haven't seen anyone on tumblr be anti-Mabel. All I've is over protectiveness of Mabel.
Also
>implying being anti-Mabel is bullshit
For me, the biggest flaw is that the show pretended it was building to some kind of amazing, creative lore instead of admitting that it was simply a goofy series in a kooky setting.
Just feels like a cynical marketing technique.
>>83784461
There are plenty of people there who think Mabel is smothering their precious Dipper self-insert which is what the over-protective people are reacting to.
>>83770992
>n terms of Stan and his brother's conflict, we always wanted a moment where Ford saw that he was wrong. Ford's spent an entire life imagining himself as this lone solitary hero and imagining his brother as this bumbling leech. From a narrative point of view, for Ford to see Stan be the hero finally lets Ford see the true side of his brother that he's been too blinded by pride to see.
I think this was probably part that made me realize how big of a disconnect there was when it came to Ford's characterization. Ford seeing himself as the hero was pretty obvious, but Ford seeing Stan as nothing but a bumbling leech didn't come across very well at all. He just seemed (somewhat understandably) frustrated with Stan more than anything, and even that seemed to be because of the poor communication between the two rather than malice or active dislike.
>>83784694
There were only a small,handful of scenes of them interacting. Then at the end their relationship supplanted Dipper and Mabel's relationship as the focus suddenly but it hadn't been developed much.
It really does feel like the show ended too early or just that there was potential for a wholw lot more if it had gone on.
>>83784321
Is there another male character to ship Shota Mabel with? If yes, then tumblr likes him.
>>83785065
>There were only a small,handful of scenes of them interacting.
Yeah, this definitely seems to be the crux of the issue. Ford had so little screen time for a such an important character that felt more walking MacGuffin at best the majority of the time. You can tell from the Ford-centric episodes that his inclusion was intended for another season, from how crammed full of exposition dumps they are.
Hell, even just one more episode that let Ford interact with the other characters in a situation that wasn't plot-related would've done more to flesh him out.Fucking Roadside Attraction...
>>83785310
Male Pacifica?
>>83785485
>shota Mabel x shota Pacifica
New shipping juggernaut, the Harry/Draco of the 2010s.
>>83777365
>:V
Go back to kikebook you fucking moron.
>>83785552
No way. They wouldn't be NEARLY as popular. I will bargain and say that their probable fanbase would most likely be larger than the billdip one. Maybe.
>>83785624
Thanks for making me waste ten seconds of my life looking whatever the fuck that is up.
>>83785636
I was kidding, GF was never even a contintent's breadth close to HP's popularity.
I'll bite though, would /co/ like R 63 Padippica? Would people like R 63 Pinecest? /ll/ Billdip? /ss/ Mabill? Regular shota Wendip? Yuri Stancest? R 63 Candip?
>>83785462
Yeah for how fucking central to the plot Ford was he got very little development, they definitely needed a little more time with him.
>>83785826
>would /co/ like R 63 Padippica? Would people like R 63 Pinecest?
Yes to both, please.
What do you think would have happened in this fic if the last chapter never happened and was replaced by the sleepover continuing with no interruptions for the night and into the morning?
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11757936/1/Girls-Night
>>83786245
I want to see a nervous girl Dipper get dicked by her goofy twin brother.
>>83748055
>What are some of Gravity fall's flaws
Not enough incest.
>>83786456
If that's not a fanfic already I'll eat my hat.
Mabel is a character
>>83786843
I just don't get same-age incest. Mom/dad/whatever shit has that power dynamic due to age+authority but with siblings/cousins it seems like the only appeal is that it's taboo.
>>83776793
What was the point of this backwards message?
>>83788253
Maybe they like the characters, maybe it's not about the incest itself.
>>83748055
the slice of life nature of the show sometimes got in the way of they mystery elements
some of the build up had poor payoffs
it was clearly just dippers show instead of being dipper and Mabel
they had a super PG tragic ending and still cheeped out on it
why did bill need to shake your hand?
>>83748055
Making the cops gay
>>83788253
That's exactly the appeal. Keeping secrets with your sibling brings you closer, and what bigger secret is there than fucking each other? If it were acceptable, it wouldn't be as hot.
>>83772195
I don't care if it had no story, I loved PnF.
>>83750599
>chasers
Reporting in! Please don't stop what you do.
>>83748055
that Wendy never got her tits out
/thread
>>83749460
They made a Titan to purge the enemies of humanity. It was perfect.
>>83750599
I think I drew something for you a long time ago, anon. Chub anon. I had fun with that. Did you ever see your pizza man and bus driver? I can't remember.
>>83790333
Post it pls
(I'm not chubanon)
>>83748055
Season 2B
>>83790394
The Technically Safe (tm) one, /co/ won't allow the other
>>83790473
Hot~
Post an imgur link to the other one maybe
>>83777776
Should have gone with both. In the fun way!
>>83790502
Could I put it on /y/ or /aco/? It's just fapping.
>>83790528
Sure, then crosslink
