I don't understand how these shitty wank fantasies are so popular here, why not give a comic that aspires to be more than a soap opera with punching a try?
>>83684138
That is literally the worst argument for reading non-capes I've ever heard.
Personally, I always found it very hard to take something seriously when the main character is running around in colored undies.
>>83684148
it is the truth, big 2 comics never aspire to be more than shallow entertainment apart from a handful of very rare exceptions
Comic heroes are the true American gods. Its theyre panteon.
Its a cultural thing.
>>83684138
>>83684162
>>83684163
>i only read mature comics for mature individuals such as myself
>>83684190I don't read comic at all.
>>83684190
is there something wrong with preferring comics that arent literally written for preteens?
>>83684190
Post more anime girls
>>83684138
indie shit is even faggier
>>83684212
Of course there is.
>>83684221
what an intelligent thing to say! you realize that this is an 18+ board?
>>83684212
No, but you don't have to be a douche about it.
>>83684274
im not saying anything about you as a person i just think theyre juveline shit wank fantasies
>>83684212
There's nothing wrong with having personal preferences. There is something wrong with acting like an elitist about it though.
Also Death Ray is Clowes worst work.
>>83684218
can do.
And then those morons whine up and down why nobody wants to read their shit.
Can mods please perma-ban all those arrogant pieces of shit? They're as bad as /tv/tards.
Why do 99% of none big three comic artist (or "cartoonist" as they like to refer to themselves) have to act like such pretentious elitist assholes most of the time?
>>83684318
its not personal preference, it's objective truth that comics made by passionate artists in their own time are better on average than comics cranked out monthly for a big company with tie-ins and initiatives. and Death Ray is way better than Velvet Glove or Lloyd Llewellyn as well as more appropriate for the thread subject.
>>83684138
I like punching in my soap operas.
>>83684370
most of them could not give less of a fuck about big 2 if they tried anon, the best cartoonists are read by more people than any current big 2 writer.
>>83684458
they aren't passionate enough to do it out of their own pocket (which is how most good artists started out), they are working for a paycheck writing average stories and drawing average pictures
>>83684138
go to bed vollsticks
>>83684313
I'm just saying you can get people interested in a comic like this without acting like a snob.
>>83684654
Goddamnit, just sage and report.
It's obvious he doesn't want to get anyone interested in anything. He wants to flaunt his imagined sense of superiority.
>>83684685
if I didnt want to get anyone interested in anything I wouldn't storytime, it says a lot about you if you report anyone who says an opinion you dont like about your precious baby comics
>>83684379
>it's objective truth
stop saying this phrase when you want others to think you're right
it doesn't work
>>83684162
get out of here Synder
>>83684762
in what way are big 2 cape comics better than the works of great independent artists?
>>83684784
there's a lot of comics out there
something tells me you were exposed to some shitty ones and therefore automatically gained this notion that anything made by someone other than people like Tatsuya Ishida/the big 2 is automatically bad
I'm sorry if this is the case
you gots to understand there's always gems through the sea of bland drivel
and if you think everything made by independent artists is gold, I don't know what to say.
You're storytiming just for yourself, you unbelievable imbecile, if you believe otherwise and not trolling you're just delusional.
The only thing me reporting you says about me, is that I want to improve this board.
When capeshit aspires to be anything more it just becomes an even bigger mouthpiece for SJW rhetoric.
>>83684718
>If I storytime then I'm automatically right
Go away.
>>83684762
They're right. Big 2 comics function primarily as consumer objects; indie comics function primarily as art objects. In terms of artistic merit, indie is leagues ahead.
My only disagreement with OP is that they implied to soap genre is inherently bad - JJBA (after maybe part 3 at least), while not American, skillfully uses the format to its full potential. But Araki is obviously more passionate about making than receiving a check...
>>83684834
meant for
>>83684784
obviously.
Not having quick reply is annoying. Thanks, Hiro! You could've banned /tv/tards and snobbish idiots like OP, but instead you went after my country. Fuck you too.
I'd just like to point out that no one has posted any kind of comment to literally no one has made any comment about the comic you are storytiming, because after that opening post (and the following ones) the impression is that you are just an elitist asshole that needs to show his superior taste
Wait a day, make a new thread writing "I'll storytime one of the best indipendent comics out there" and you will gain the interest of people instead of their scorn
>>83684861
They really aren't
Again, I'm sorry that Civil War 2 hurt you this badly, it hurt me too but I ignore it and sieve through for the small gems here and there
>>83684835
but Comics have always been "SJW", the thing is that instead of concentrating on a decent story with a good message it's a shitty message
>>83684190
>>83684318
>>83684458
I thought I had your cancerous presence filtered long ago? How did you sneak out again?
>>83684718
You're attitude and snobbishness makes me not interested in this shit
>>83684861
Also Death Ray is my favorite Clowes (well, tied with Ice Haven and PUSSEY!) so great choice OP.
>>83684878
Yeah I kind of got turned off from the way this asshole is responding to people so, I'm gonna guess this comic is shit and indicative of their taste.
>>83684906
>admitting you're biased
bruh
>>83684811
i think there are some very rare good big 2 superhero comics (less than even 1 per year), whereas there are amazing non-superhero comics coming out every couple of months. And I know there's plenty of shit indie comics, but basically all of the great comic book makers right now are indie and they put out amazing comics every year that surpass anything you will find at marvel or dc
>>83684834
im giving you the resources to educate yourself (these comics are also more interesting and funny than 99.9% of shit 2 comics), but youre the kind of baby who reports anything he doesnt like and screams whenever hes confronted with his own inadequacies. you dont even like comics, so how can you improve this board?
>>83684853
>if i completely change what he said in my greentext then i'm automatically right
please learn how to debate
>>83684878
He wouldn't have gotten replies no matter how he started the thread. Don't even pretend otherwise. Of course /co/mblr always needs to make up excuses to appear ever magnanimous.
>>83684876
>>83684878
That's what annoys me the most.
These assholes do their best to alienate people from expanding their horizons, then whine than no one is expanding their horizons.
They're directly contributing to the problems with this shit board.
>>83684906
good taste man, ice haven is my all time favourite personally but I still have a lot of love for death ray. Pussey is definitely the best out of all the smaller Eightball strips.
>>83684930
We've had Deathray threads before filled with comments
>>83684930
>replies
Because that's always an indication of people reading the comic instead of shitflinging.
You fucking retard.
>>83684891
I said capeshit not comics. Capeshit is not only inherently leftist but has insidiously contributed if not outright spearheaded efforts to marginalize anything and everything else.
>>83684920
please learn to not come across as an asshole
>>83684886
I haven't read any current capes since nu52 Animal Man (this was also around the time I picked up my first Clowes book) - once you go indie, you never go back.
Also I love the Golden/Silver Age stuff. Some ol Ditko Doctor Strange or John Byrne X-Men does my heart good... but now it's just an ocean of shit. Nobody takes risks because they're dealing in cultural icons with cemented ideaologies abd narratives - when I saw BvS the Superman = Jesus parallels were laughable. I literally laughed constantly during that film and so many people were pissed by how could I possibly take it seriously? Give me some Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen, please....
>>83684212
>HAHAH You're taste in comics are for babies! not like MY SUPERIOR MATURE TASTE xD go back to middleschool kid xD xD xD xD xD xD
>>83684876
try and start a storytime of an obscure comic without a controversial opinion in the OP and see how many people read it anon.
>>83684878
absolutely untrue
>>83684909
stay ignorant then, im not going to lose any sleep over plebs who dont even want to expand their taste.
>>83684163
Oh boy look another navel gazing indie comic about growing up in the 70's. Like those aren't a dime a fucking dozen.
Pass. Sorry OP.
>>83684930
>scapgoating your buzzword
oh fuck off, you dumbshit.
go through the archive
>>83684901
cool
>>83684972
not what its about you impatient retard, you are embarassing. try reading past the fifth page next time you want to spout nonsense.
>>83684930
First of all I don't know what /co/mblr has to do with this thread, except that comment about the Big 2 being SJW that was almost completely ignored
Also there are many way to attract the attention of people without being burned by it like it happened in this case.
Just write "Read this and try to argue that it's not the best comic everprotip: You can't" and people would have read it.
Many would have said that it's shit (since 4chan is 4chan) but they would have read it and many, outside of the comments, would have considered it a good read.
Instead now basically no one has even opened the pics and are just interested in insulting OP
>>83684958
Justify it however you want /co/mblrite. Go watch that trips loser who posts old obscure shot every day and never gets a single reply or any indication anyone is reading.
>>83684970
It's not that no one wants to expand their taste, it's that you're basically calling us children and idiots and that we need to read whatever mature shit you read so we aren't those things
>>83684970
>stay ignorant then, im not going to lose any sleep over plebs who dont even want to expand their taste.
Am I wrong or does this sound like something a fedora would say? I mean, he even said 'plebs' without a hint of irony
I just don't get this guy
It feels like he just came here from some place elsewhere
>>83684992
You have devolved into name calling
This is very hilarious!
>>83684917
I already revealed I was "biased" in my initial post. Early capes were like indie today - works of passion, taking risks both artistically and thematically (like the Superman story "I am Curious (Black!)" or how the X-Men were obviously tied into the Civil Rights movement.) The difference then, and now, re: social justice in comics was these older comics had no precedent. It was unexplored, unsafe territory - today's Big 2 comics just tramp around on already mapped out terrain.
>>83684920
You're not giving anyone anything, you cunt. Also, nice idiotic assumption that I only read capes.
You deserve to be reported for making this board worse.
>how can you improve this board?
By doing my best to rid it of garbage like you, of course.
>please learn how to debate
Oh, the irony.
>>83684920
>whereas there are amazing non-superhero comics coming out every couple of months
Like?
>>83684966
you are deluded if you dont think they write big 2 cape comics in simple language, with simple themes and market them towards people under the age of 18.
>TFW I like OP's brand of comics
>TFW there are barely threads about it
>TFW the one thread made about it is about OP trying to sound superior to everyone else and no one is talking about these comics
I just want an indie comic thread without all the elitist bullshit
>>83685009
Only because you chose to throw a tantrum over a name basically everyone calls you and ignored everything else I said.
>>83684972
Oh my god, someone is actually reading what OP is posting
>>83685027
try comicsworkbook
>>83685031
Read the name next time, I do this so I don't get confused with others, but in your case it seems that you overlooked it
well done
>>83685024
So if i like the big 2 i'm a simple child then? why can't i like both?
>>83684993
you don't have to read anything, but you should at least accept that big 2 comics are not art and you should also accept that you don't really like comics if you only read one genre of comic book.
>>83685016
>making this board worse
You literally can't make this place worse. There's a reason the rest of 4chan despises you with such vitirol.
>>83684994
interesting that you call me a fedora when your precious monthly superhero comics are literally known for their neckbeardy fanbase, while clowes and ware do work for newspapers read by hundreds of thousands and are sold in book shops across the world.
>>83685031
this isn't a sjw thread so it's pointless to try and stir up that shit in all honesty
now go away and use your dumb-sounding buzzword elsewhere, we're trying to shit on OP right now you melon.
>>83685075
we're not /v/
>>83685075
You are so fucking sheltered man
>>83685048
You sure type like a child. And if you read modern capeshit I assume you have some kind of mental deficiency.
>>83685064
So because my main preference is cape books now i don't like comics and i'm not a "real fan"
>>83685079
>OH YEAH? W-WELL WHAT ABOUT YOUR PRECIOUS CAPESHIT-
Man I don't even read that shit, swing and a miss.
ITT: Comics and Cartoon's are for children
>>83685064
No comics are art, anon. Superhero comics are picture books for kids, and indie comics oh wait no i'm sorry graphic """novels""" are picture books for adults who can't admit that they're mentally still kids.
Try reading an actual book. You know, with words?
>>83685082
No but even /v/ hates you, to say nothing of /tv/ and /m/ and definitely /a/.
>>83684212
No but there's something wrong with being an arsehole about your preference
>>83685010
i agree with this but you should try underground comix if you havent, they're comics that ignored the CCA so they have a little bit more variety than silver age (for example CCA comics were not allowed to let the bad guys win because it apparently sent a bad moral message to children)
>MUH INDIE STUFF IS BETTER
>BIG 2 IS BAD
>/CUC/MBLRRRRRR
This whole thread is terrible
>>83685115
/co/ considers literature pretentious.
>>83685115
Most indie artists I know prefer the term "comic" over "graphic novel" because the latter provokes images of public masturbation.
>>83685116
>Caring what /v/ or /a/ thinks
holy shit dude
just leave already you dumb crossboarder
crying and throwing a tantrum doesn't help anyone
>>83685116
> /v/
Everyone hates /v/ so that's not that big of a problem
> /tv/ they can't hate us that much if they regularly come here to talk about the movies
>/m/
I don't know anything about this so no comment
>/a/
/a/ is filled with a bunch of pretentious assholes that think their medium is better then ours just like OP
>>83685116
/v/ thinks we're still under the thumb of Redwood so of course they hate us.
/m/ hate the cape shitposters who invade Kamen Rider and Sentai threads.
/tv/ have no room to speak about board quality.
and the only time i see /co/ hate on /a/ is when the /Co/Co/ autists spam the JoJo generals.
>>83685016
>anyone who makes me feel bad about my shitty taste in comics is making this board worse
lol, in reality you are a sheltered little baby getting upset that anyone might have a different opinion on your precious superman comics. I can tell that you only read capes from your defensive attitude, although youre probably the kind of poster who thinks owning 2 hellboy comics makes you not a capeshitter.
>>83685146
You don't speak for the board
>>83685159
>>/m/
>I don't know anything about this so no comment
/a/ opinion of /m/ is the same you have about /a/, to put it in perspective
I don't understand, why can't we like both? The audiences for Indie and cape-shit is different anyways, one isn't better then the other. You're not a brain dead child if you like to read about you're favorite superheroes and you're not some hipster faggot if you read death ray
>>83684379
yeah this is patrician compared to cape comics amirite?
>>83685190
Because people like
>>83685167
>I can tell that you only read capes from your defensive attitude, although youre probably the kind of poster who thinks owning 2 hellboy comics makes you not a capeshitter.
have to go full console-wars and only stick to one form of media , while shit talking the other and it's followers en masse
>>83685164
>and the only time i see /co/ hate on /a/ is when the /Co/Co/ autists spam the JoJo generals.
don't forget RWBY, /a/ threw a shitfit when Mods said RWBY manga was allowed on /a/
>>83685157
>>83685159
>>83685164
>it's invalid that these boards hate us because r-r-reasons!
>>83685023
This year my favourites are Patience by Daniel Clowes, Big Kids by Michael Deforge, Don't Come in Here by Patrick Kyle, Beverly by Nick Drnaso and the long awaited Zap #16
>>83685206
Why do you care about boards opinions
why are you doing the stuttering shit and not addressing every point made
why.
>>83685206
I'm not saying it's invalid, but you're making us sound like were the worst board on 4chan when were really not and no one really gives a shit about us
>>83685167
>all that projection and strawmanning
Aww, you're finally having an emotional breakdown. Good. If all this anger would make you live at least one day less, I've done my job.
>>83684138
Why not read all that's available and interests you?
That's what I do.
If you find superheroes so beneath you, dont' read them?
>>83685193
go deeper, i.e. small press
>>83685206
Just tell us what board you came from
>>83685164
How hilarious you forget the time /co/ tried to post garbage on /a/ for Christmas and got torn a new as whole and started crying "buh buh buh we only wanna wish you merry christmaaaas!!"
>>83685206
Maybe if you would leave your introverted shell once in a while and visit other boards you would realize that they're not all out to get you anon.
>>83685205
That was hate directed towards RWBY itself more or less, which is fine because it's trash.
>>83685167
This reads like an angry youtube comment
>>83685098
If you read comic books that have superheroes, watch movies that have superheroes, watch cartoons that have superheroes, post in threads about superheroes then you are a superhero fan not a comic book fan.
>>83685115
I read a lot of books, but comics are just as valid as books. If superhero comics did not exist then comic books would not have the low art reputation that they currently have. Capeshit is (generally) the comic book equivalent of those choose your own adventure books you get as a child.
>>83685079
>interesting
The weakest of deflections, and popular amongst furfags. Are you a furry OP?
Also Clowes us boring as fuck. What's next some Chris Ware? Zzzzzzzzzz.
I'd rather watch paint dry.
Why not both?
>>83685103
What do you read?
>>83685226
>were really not
Yep sounds like /co/ alright, all flaws attributed to you are simply wrong
>>83685280
You didn't ask for what flaws are present in current /co/ , all you did was list a bunch of boards and go "THEY HATE US"
no one's going to take you seriously after that, negro
>>83685266
but I've enjoyed a shit ton on non-superhero comics too so who are you to say what kind of fan i am?
>>83685270
>Clowes us boring as fuck. What's next some Chris Ware
Anon don't even meme like that. OP is acting kinda faggy, but don't diss good artists.
>>83685253
>visit other boards you would realize that they're not all out to get you anon.
What is it with libcucks and being passive aggressive? What does this even mean or have to do with /co/ being a garbage dump?
>>83685280
but i never said we didn't have flaws? You're just putting words into my mouth to make yourself sound right
>>83685210
Megg and Mogg in Amsterdam came out this year too - and I think Fante Bukowski 2 is due out later this year.
Not directed at OP, but everybody should look into small press/self-published works... not everything good has been validated by a publisher yet. I think MMO started as xeroxed zines and tumblr posts.
>>83685190
the audience for indie is people who actually like the comic book medium whereas the audience for superheroes is people with low iqs who saw an action movie with batman in that looked really cool!!!
>>83685291
I don't need to ask what's wrong with /co/, it's pretty self evident.
>>83685308
holy shit just go back to whatever board you came from
no one cares but you.
>>83684584
Hoo boy, this is one of the worst comics I've ever read
total trash
>>83685326
Actually you did if you wanted a straight answer
Instead you, again, only listed a bunch of boards
Care to rephrase your question then?
>>83685320
yeah, i read a lot of small press stuff from the 60s. personally i think small press comics are on the way out, so many good comics that might have been small press 10 years ago are just webcomics now with the occasional limited print run.
(e.g. https://ohgigue.com/, frank santoro)
>>83685266
I'm not really a big fan of the stuff you've been posting on this thread OP, does that make me a child?Seriously though can you post something good though?
>>83685358
>one bad string of posts = the whole board
You're a moron
>>83685344
stop falling for the bait its obvious he wanted you to read the shitty comic with him so he decided to trigger everyone.
>>83685358
Just go back to where you came from
you're just embarrassing yourself
>>83685367
It's absolutely indicative of the quality of posts here, every Godzilla thread is exactly like that.
>>83684138
>why not give a comic that aspires to be more than a soap opera with punching a try
Those exist but are boring as shit at best.
Can someone make an actual indie comic thread without all the elitist bullshit?
>>83685369
Good point.
>>83685358
>co will defend this.png
i see you on every fucking board with this same picture every time.
please do everyone a favor and fuck off to some third world shithole and become a warlord's personal cock sleeve.
>>83685375
>posts like that
>it's somebody else who should be embarassed
>>83685292
i qualified my original post to you with "if you only read one genre of comic book.", if it doesnt apply to you then it doesnt apply to you,
>>83685363
nah youre ok if you actually read it instead of crying, here is something with a very different style that might be more to your tastes. It is ironically quite juvenile but still has some artistic qualities to it.
>>83685401
yeah you should be embarrassed for posting the same bait over and over
>>83685399
You're taking it pretty personally. And here you are defending it too.
Why does aspiring to be "more than a soap opera with punching" mean more than actually pulling it off? Most comics that try to reach past sort of thing fall short of the mark.
>>83685413
wait why are you in /co/ if you hate it so much?
>>83685409
How is something that actually happened here bait?
>>83685413
>u mad?
jesus
this is such piss poor bait
>>83685413
>And here you are defending it too.
Nobody was defending it, you fucking autist.
He's right too, you do post this shit fucking everywhere.Don't post on /m/ ever again, you autistic piece of shit.
>>83685387
theres nothing boring about people like chris ware, even if the story requires too much patience for you the story should be visually stunning enough to hold your attention, there are maybe 2 big2 artists who are as daring with layouts and colours as him.
![[m-x]FOTNS_vol1_ch1_pg005.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aWqWeUX.jpg "[m-x]FOTNS_vol1_ch1_pg005.jpg")
What's hilarious is that American comics were surpassed a long time ago at even soap operas with punching.
>>83685426
playing dumb, while cute, won't save you man
http://desustorage.org/_/search/image/lIbzD29gPKcERB7FLn1kJg/
look at this shit
>>83685387
You really are a child if you need punching, explosions, and colorful costumes to pique your interest.
>>83685438
But /m/ hates /co/ almost as much as /a/.
Tried to push your capeshit autism in /krg/ again buddy? Your hiney still sore?
>>83685458
I never denied it. My goal is to make as many people hate /co/ as possible and that one image, if you'll check the replies, has done wonders towards that goal.
>>83685471
No, but I'm pretty sure you're one of those faggots who kept encouraging Maurice.
Off yourself.
>>83685491
What a sad existence and waste of one's time
>>83685343
are you going to call him 'Drumpf'?
>when you're so upset by another opinion that you have to spam the thread to image limit
why are you on 4chan if you just want to be circlejerked?
>>83685491
So basically, you're autistic as fuck.
I heard this was the shitposting thread.
>>83685491
damn
I'm glad I'm not depressed enough to try and shitpost this hard
>>83685449
>RWBY
On one hand I want to make fun of you, on the other I play KanColle and watch Fateshit so I don't have a leg to stand on.
>>83685522
I hope you have learned it is dumb to project your opinions during a storytime thread
>>83685544
so hide it
I wish we had mods that could actually identify commonly used bait
>>83685560
not really, this is the most bumped non big 2 storytime i have ever done
>RWBY
>pretentiousness
>buzzwords
>spamming images in a thread you don't like
This thread really is an example, innit?
>>83685587
act like a faggot and you usually get yelled at, no surprises there quite honestly
>>83685584
>disagreeing with me should be against the laws
justcapebabythings~
>>83685578
now yer talkin'
>>83684431
Yeah but do those stories stay in the popular conscious? I used to be like you. A man who was fed up with the big two, a man who wouldn't give two shits about it. It was all about Passion and love of work. Than I actually looked at what I was reading and it was mostly about people going through their mid life crisis and being cucks. Some indie can be amazing. But to say that on average they are better, shows you only read the best. You probably think all manga is just harem bullshit too. All genre has great work in them but to say everything is trash shows me how much you will go to limit yourself out of a deluded sense that it has artistic merit.
>>83685617
not talking about you dummy
jesus, I was actually reading your shit too
the fuck nigga
>>83685541
>>83685510
Doesn't take much effort considering everyone hates you already.
>>83685617
>If you don't read what i read you're a baby!
>>83685647
>Doesn't take much effort willfully going into other threads and attempting to bait out (You)s
They all say that man
They all say that
>>83685635
oh sorry
>>83685628
i never once said all capes are trash but i think independent comics are on average better, people who are talentless simply do not tend to pay out their own pocket to publish their comics, whereas plenty of talentless people get into the big 2 simply because they can draw 20 pages a month
>>83685647
i suggest taking up a hobby or sport.
>>83685584
>I wish we had mods who aren't completely retarded
That will never happen.
>>83684370
Jealousy.
so the dude who tosses around the cumblr term is the one who tries to make /co/ look bad?
well this isn't really surprising
>>83684209
Then fuck off back to /tv/
>>83685742
You're aware everyone calls this place that right?
http://desustorage.org/_/search/boards/a.aco.an.c.d.fit.gif.his.int.k.m.mlp.q.qa.r9k.tg.trash.vr.wsg/text/%2Fco%2Fmblr/
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/comblr/
>>83685774
a buzzword used by idiots is still an idiotic buzzword
also I was talking about the posts earlier in the thread, so , you're preaching to the choir
but no man like, honestly
you're not gonna go anywhere in life if you try to be the next Roasted Bread on this Vietnamese post-it board
colleges don't care about that shit on a resume
>>83685774
No, but there IS ONE type of poster that consistently days it even when it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion...
>>83685617
>still pulling the "I dindu nuffin, you're oppressing my opinion" card
Kek
>>83685805
>IT DOESN'T COUNT BECUZ IT'S A BUZZWORD! STOP BEING MEAN TO US YOU FILTHY SHITLORDS!!
>>83685677
Again on Average? I would say they are about equal.I've seen people with no talent break into indie scene and suck balls. I've seen it with big two. Works get put out that are bad all the time and having the indie identity does not exclude that. It's just comics dude. Separating them based on company is useless and you should instead focus on what a comic does well. I've seen innovation from the big two and indie. Why separate them? There all comics.
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