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Oh, my god, this episode is fucking amazing. Just putting some spotlight on a character who isn't Arnold or Helga is pretty good, but this one takes this character way beyond the stereotype she otherwise embodies and gives her a believable dark side that isn't resolved away in 11 minutes.
Feel free to gush about the best parts of Hey Arnold ITT.
![hey arnold! - 1x20 - arnold's valentine.avi_snapshot_14.42_[2015.10.17_19.21.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CS7wyog.jpg "hey arnold! - 1x20 - arnold's valentine.avi snapshot 14.42 [2015.10.17 19.21.54]")
I think Ruth and Arnold shouldve ended up together but the creators had to suddenly make her the ditzy type so Arnold wouldn't go after her anymore.
CHEATER!
>>83433116
I'm pretty she wasn't ditzy, she was just older than Arnold so of course it wouldn't have worked out at their age.
>>83433224
Despite Arnold's memory of her giving up her seat for some old lady on the bus or something, she was shallow. They had nothing in common and I think she flirted with the waiter over breadsticks.
"The boy with the cornflower hair"
Also, Phoebe was always my favorite character. The kid who's always on the sidelines, accepting of her place in the world, but still wanting more.
![hey arnold! - 1x18 - magic show ~ 24 hours to live.avi_snapshot_09.40_[2015.10.17_19.15.18].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rVelIeV.jpg "hey arnold! - 1x18 - magic show ~ 24 hours to live.avi snapshot 09.40 [2015.10.17 19.15.18]")
>>83433116
>>83433333
In every episode except the valentine's day she showed some level of mystique or interest in arnold. I just feel like it was a copout to have her be shallow just so they can get rid of her character
Does anyone actually like Lila?
>>83433510
Ever so much
![hey arnold! - 5x12 - arnold visits arnie ~ chocolate boy.avi_snapshot_05.10_[2015.10.17_19.23.32].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JahPsrT.jpg "hey arnold! - 5x12 - arnold visits arnie ~ chocolate boy.avi snapshot 05.10 [2015.10.17 19.23.32]")
>>83433565
bizzaro lila did things to me as a kid
>that off-tune ice cream truck melody that played
i love how mental the jolly olly man was. 1st season was the best by far
>>83433116
they stopped the pairing because it was forbidden /ss/ love
>>83433588
I wasn't used to watching such a physical approach to flirting in a cartoon.
>>83433510
>Does anyone actually like Lila?
She's cute, I like how polite she was but I always had a bad impression of her, like something wasn't okay with her, it kinda seemed like a facade.
>>83433588
>>83433696
>that moment she wrapped her leg around his and touched his thighs in the theater
>>83433621
I like the later seasons better. The artstyle got much better.
But season 1 has some good shit, like the christmas episode. Man, to think a Nickelodeon show once showed the vietnam war and its effects on common folk. I dont think any kids show was so down to earth and realistic as HA.
>>83433425
Or was it just Arnold's child crush romantizing her actions of just being nice to the cute 3rd grader.
Lila was molested by her own dad; she has mental issues like crazy. Do not touch.
>>83433588
Me and my friend started calling it shattered glass Arnold...heh.
>And now for what we all came for.
>>83433779
But molested girls will do butt stuff...
>>83433696
>>83433746
And now, we will never again get to see shows like this again sadly.
>>83433073
Recently rewatched a big chunk of the series. The music is even more powerful than I remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeM4lWhr39M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS9RDJJxdfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLIiRRvFWxc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gkTcfZ1ww4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCOOwY5z3z8
>>83433116
the character of ruth is about idolising a girl from afar when you really no nothing about. Constantly putting her a pedestal.
Then when you actually get to know her you find out that you have nothing in common with her and anything you though what special about her was all in your head.
Have you not done this before?
>>83433777
yeah this. also nice trips
>>83433779
Proof, my dear boy?
>>83433978
I think it wouldve been better if she rejected him outright instead of him just leaving and not coming back.
>>83433975
if you're in the mood for more hey arnold jazz, check out brecker brothers, or any early 90s jazz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ufv-SWoxWk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vz2Gm6KcZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCSMqKLzrX8
>>83434075
nice man ever since i rewatched the series and heard the end credit music again i've been looking for stuff like this.
>>83433073
My favorite episode with Phoebe was when she won the contest to hang out with her favorite, shallow pop musician and he turned out to be the fakest fraud and she was distraught that he wasn't who she envisioned him to be. It really showed that she was a regular person capable of being wrong and not a stereotype.
>>83433510
I do, because I'm not a rabid shipper.
Who were everyone's favorite characters? Everyone loves Helga, but I was also a fan of Grandpa, Miriam, Big Bob, Harold, Principal Wartz. All of the characters with obvious personality flaws were the most interesting, I guess
>>83434419
>Boys and Girls in the same sex-ed class
I find this image unrealistic
I rewatched the Hey Arnold! Christmas special last year and cried like a little bitch desu. One of my favorite specials now.
>>83434507
I always liked Sid for some reason. Never could quite figure out why.
>>83434419
>sex ed class
>teacher is on the subject of benis
>whole class isn't giggling
immersion broken
>>83434514
Its only realistic for high school health class, but the sex ed I took in elementary and middle school was separated by gender.
>>83434657
Hes a combination of a bro and paranoia.
>>83433073
I was cool hearing George takei as her dad
>>83433721
DELETE THIS.And post the full version.
Arnold was a really good model for kids.
>>83434632
cute
just a oneshot?
>>83434632
heh. i like it.
>>83434892
***ROLE MODEL ROLE MODEL
>>83434632
Fuck everything about this rape culture promoting garbage.
>>83434892
>>83434922
Yeah, that's why he karate'd the clothes off of a man who was just looking for the bus stop.
>>83433116
I wanna fuck Ruth
>>83434503
I was expecting Brainy to be peeking out of the backseat in the third panel
>>83433510
yes. she has very slutty feet.
>>83433073
episodes like that are always interesting. smart kids arent smart because theyre smart, but because theyre good at patterns. they get in the PATTERN of getting good grades.. and disrupting that pattern can be devastating. your goal isn't learning (you probably arent learning shit you didnt know already), it's maintaining the pattern.. so you almost cheat without thinking
>>83434797
in my day they were together by 7th grade or earlier, and we didn't GET them in highschool
>>83435345
In my day we had Sex Ed for 1 week, 1 time in 6th grade, separated by gender and we never had it again. After that Health Class was all about nutrition and physiology and shit.
>>83435054
are these from the same person who does a lot of hey arnold comics where arnold and helga are potheads?
>>83433975
damn this is gold
thanks anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ofxMLaHneE
If i had to pick a theme to represent my adolescence and my first taste of romance it'd be this
>>83435602
i'm sure that'll always be how i imagine my first taste of romance too. certainly nobody older than that seems to get it right or have any idea what love is.
>>83435458
Took sex aid specifically in 3rd and fourth, once in middle school for like a day or two and then it was mixed in with regular health class after that.
>>83433073
I watched Hey Arnold a lot as a kid and I really loved it. I didn't watch it much as a teen or early adult but at 26 I watched a couple of episodes and went back and watched everything again because of how great it was. It's very bittersweet.
I think the episode that best embodies the way Hey Arnold works is the episode where Grandpa Phil plays Robbie Fischer in Chinese Checkers, and by any standard TV show trope you'd expect lovable old Grandpa to win.
Nope, he was one step away from losing but managed to swing it to a draw. And everybody was super happy because Grandpa didn't lose. He didn't win, but he didn't lose - and that's a really important lesson to teach kids that kids shows almost never teach.
I'm sure a lot of people watching that episode wanted Grandpa to win, too, and were disappointed that he didn't, but then thought "Eh, at least he didn't lose".
Or like how in the Christmas special with mister Nguyen, how Arnold tried everything to help him and just couldn't do it. It took HELGA giving up her favorite shoes to make it work. So in the end, Helga, the person who made the right choice to sacrifice something to make somebody else happy and by every TV Trope should have been rewarded, wasn't given some last-minute super gift or anything. She did the right thing, and that made her lose her present. Very rare for a kids show to show a true sacrifice.
Everything about this show is amazing.
>>83433965LENI?!
>>83435912
>Nguyen
Pretty sure it's Huynh.I used to joke about the show's mispronunciation with a girl I took to SDCC once.
>>83435912
I think I actually appreciate the show more now than I did as a kid. It also aged a lot better than other kid-centered shows from that time, which I've gone back and watched as an adult and they still feel very... well, childish.
>>83436075
theyre both pronounced as a vague syllable
fucking southeast asians. what did france DO to you?
>>83433721
I'd make her girlhood tremble, if you know what I mean
>>83436110
this. i didnt appreciate it at all as a kid, it bored me. humor seemed corny and i couldnt get over how ugly it was and what stupid names everyone had.
>>83436075
>>83436375
I dont know anything about Korean names, I apologise.
>>83436585
and hyunh's vietnamese anyway right
I found myself watching the episode where Harold was a butcher the other day. Maybe it's just because I like meat. Never knew Elliott Gould was on the show.
>>83436645
No Hyuhn was from Korea, the whole Christmas episode thing was about him not being able to leave the country because of a war. They never explicitly call it Korea, but it was an obvious Korean war reference.
Or is the name Hyuhn Vietnamese and thats the joke?
>>83436809
He's Vietnamese, dude. Him giving his daughter to the soldiers in the helicopter is a specific reference to the Fall of Saigon.
>>83436809
i guess it's just that when you see a korean war reference in the 90s you just assume it's actually a vietnam war reference. everyone in comics was retconned because it was basically a sequel war, and it allowed everyone to be 20 years younger.
a korean war baby would have been too old. though.. hey arnold does exist in a weird timeless state
>>83436972
actually a vietnam war baby would have been too old too
>>83436738
that episode was great
>firstly, you stole. that's wrong. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
>Secondly, you stole a ham. ham is not kosher! our people haven't eaten ham in 5000 years and we don't need to start now.
>>83436989
A Vietnam baby would've been about 30 at the time the show aired
>>83433073
Question.
HOW THE FUCK DOES SHE NOT GET FOUND OUT WHEN PLAGIARIZING EMILY FUCKING DICKINSON. She's literally one of the most famous poets of her generation. You'd probably stand a better chance at nicking Robert Frost
>>83436972
>>83436966
Oh my god I cant believe I got Vietnam and Korea mixed up. Of course it was Vietnam. Its 1.30am I need to go to bed.
>>83437010
Principal Wartz likely never read it and Mr. Simmons was only into a very different Dickinson.
>>83437010
The teachers aren't that well read. Come on it's a public school k-6.
>>83437071
hehehe
>>83437014
i mean, you're supposed to.
>>83437091
this
wait was it really k-6? damn.
>that 12 angry men episode
>>83437241
>Any episode that lets Curly be full insane.
Always a delight
>>83437071
>Mr. Simmons was only into a very different Dickinson.
10/10
Chocolate Boy had a hard life.
>>83437362
Curly was best boy
Still mad I never got to find out the true identity of Fuzzy Slippers. It haunts me to this day.
>>83434503
>>83434632
This made me laugh.
>>83437899
Stoop boy was afraid to leave his stoop.
Remember when Arnold went down the sewer and fought the Sewer King in chess to get back Phil's pocketwatch despite him having several of them?
So surreal, but so magical.
>>83433073
Remember how one of Arnold's neighbors was going to be a woman who had a crush on him? /ss/ indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjgLFcpFw4
>>83439061
>who had a crush on him?
no, she was an actual pedophile. craig has said this himself in an interview. she got cut out of the plot immediately, for obvious reasons.
>>83434935meme magic
>>83434503
>>83434632
>>83435054
>Arnold X Helga
I know the creators of this show was aggressively pushing this as all fuck, but man I always hated it, even as a kid.
>>83435504
No, theyre different people.
I wonder how Craig would feel about this.
>>83433510
She was a useless addition and just annoying.
>>83437362
>>83438639
Curly Snaps was a god tier episode
>>83440641
Rather than her being an actual pedo, I heard that she was just going to flirt a lot with Arnold and she'd go too far and make him uncomfortable.
Hey guys, OP here. Confession time.
Ive actually been trying to make a nice HA thread for a while now, but those never really take off, for whatever reason. The OP for this thread is actually an exact copy of a thread from 2013, I wanted to see what are the conditions for a thread to take off, but now that it has kinda delivered, I want to get something off my chest.
You see, I rewatched HA for the first time since it aired a couple of months ago, and the show just completely resonated with me. That aspect of childhood that I dearly miss was represented on the screen in quite the realistic fashion, with a realistic setting but more importandely realistic characters. Hey rnold features some of the most human characters in a kids show ive ever seen, and particularly Helga hits very close to home.
Helga may have had a troubled childhood and a disfunctional family, but a lot of her unhappiness is completely her own fault. I feel that, throughtout my life, Ive commited the same mistakes Helga did. I missed a lot of opportunities because of my attittude, and I look back at those with regret. You can imagine what I felt when I decided to feed my nostalgia a little by rewatching a sho from my childhood, and then seeing basically myself and my mistakes.
The lack of proper closure for Hega and the series honestely breaks my heart, because I feel that I might be able to move on once I get it. I might be able to accept that my adult life can be as fulfilling as my childhood, but I need closure. I need to see how Helga ends up. The heavens may have answered my prayers with the confirmation of the Jungle movie, and right now theres really nothing I look foward to more than that.
I havent realy told anyone this, not even my therapist. Im embarassed to talk about how a kids cartoon had such a powerful effect on me, but I feel that I can get this off my chest. Of all people, I imagine /co/ would understand my passion, so thank you for hearing me out, and have a nice day.
>tfw Clarence feels like it has a little bit of Hey Arnold's style in there in terms of childhood slice of life
Anybody else watch Clarence for this reason too?
>>83441903
I actually see clarence as a younger ,less extreme EEnE
>>83434507
Sid and Curly. Both of them have the most batshit insane mental breaks for episodes.
>>83441551
lol what a fag
>>83436809
You fail history. It was pretty obviously supposed to be like the Americans leaving Vietnam and his name is Vietnamese and he has a Vietnamese accent.
>>83437362
>tfw you were a slightly less crazy curly in middle school
is Pigeon man flying off into the sunset an allegory for him committing suicide?
>>83441551
It's good to let it off your sholders....here.
Did yall know that "The Patakis" had a bible? As in, a written collection of episode ideas and such.
I wonder if he would leak it if we asked nicely enough.
>>83441209
Top is better.
>>83442862
You gotta get you a girl who can do both.
>>83433073
remember when hey Arnold ended on an episode about phoebe farting
>>83443482
Not anymore, with the Jungle movie coming.
>>83437006
>1975-1996
>21 years
Mai is 23-24 at most during the Christmas episode.
>>83444293
This show had a decent slice of life feel, where the characters had RL problems that could be solved intelligently, even through some comical means.
And yes, morals were spoon fed but didn't give that annoying feeling of shoving it down your throat.
>How better the episode could have been.
So, what episode gave you the most feels?
Mine has to be either Christmas or Helga on the couch
>>83433588
This tho
>>83441551
In 2013 we were having threads like every other day for a month. It was a great time.
>>83445252
Helga on the Couch was extremely relatable as a kid in therapy in elementary school, but I think the feelsiest episode for me is Road Trip.
>>83445450
I'm sure that the movie will spark another wave of discussion.
>>83445450
>It was a great time.
>>>83445537 #
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
>>83445563Can't you read, mister, can't you read?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOlJixJAhPM
So was the setting supposed to be some mix of Brooklyn and Seattle?
>>83445637
Oscar was such a lovable scumbag. Too bad his VA died a while back.
>>83436075
It's Hyunh. In one episode (Fighting Families, maybe?) someone misprounounced it as "Mister Hee-uhn!".
>>83437153
Dude, they were NINE. They were in 4th grade.
So was Mr. Simmons flying the rainbow flag?
>>83445907
I always felt you could double the kids' grade level and it wouldn't change anything. Might even make more sense.
>>83445997
For sure.
>>83437899
that file name, so underrated
>>83445252
>>83445516
You're all wrong, even though you have great tastes. The most feels episode is Parent's Day or Pigeon Man
>>83446228
I honestely didnt care much for them. Theyre all fantastically written, but theyre a bit too fantastical.
Arnolds parents as a whole are a bit unbelievably good people. But I guess the Jungle movie would delve deeper into that.
>>83446228
Pigeon Man was really good, but I have personal reasons for reacting to Road Trip the way I do.
>>83446228
Pigeon man is probably mine as well. It was pretty sad seeing some dumb kids fuck with an old man. I didn't really understand why people seem to attach the suicide thing to his character. He doesn't seem suicidal. All I got from it was that he really was leaving
MONKEYMAN
I saw your face
Andeh
>>83447225
One of those episodes that made you wonder why anyone thought it needed to be made
I'm just gonna leave this here...
>>83433621
>that episode where he disguised as an old lady and tried to kill grandpa Phil for hitting his truck
>>83447522
Was this the most controvertial episode?
>>83444534
Lilah starts singing
>Every seed turns into a flower
>Every minute turns into an hour
>>83433721
SAUCE DAMMIT! Paheal has nothing.
>>83441903
It's almost an exact replica of my childhood,i too had a healthy mixture of trashy and know it all friends
>>83447644
Apaprently. So much so that Bartlett disowned it.
>>83433116
>>83435091
I saw Ruth as Arnold after a sex change in his teen years
>>83447644
stoop kid left his stoop to laugh at arnold, nothing makes any sense
>>83448136
But the point of Stoop Kid's episode is that he's no longer afraid to leave his stoop
>>83445252
The Jolly Ollie Man episode. It's depressing because of how realistic it is. I lived in the homeless shelter for a while when I was between apartments, and it's a pretty accurate portrayal of people who end up there. They're awful human beings who don't want to stop doing stupid shit, then can't figure out why their lives are so terrible.
>>83447311
This episode got me through a fair few work days. I had a really repetitive job that didn't allow listening to music so I would just sing the whole episode to myself to pass the time.
>>83448112
Fuck you ruined it for me
>>83433073
I think the one episode that made me really take a moment to realise how great HA was, was "phoebe Skips"
That one episode was fucking brutal; Phoebe and Helga breaking up was sad enough, but watching Phoebe get eaten alive by the other kids was a whole different kettle of fish, just watching her get used and becoming more and more miserable was heartbreaking. Simultaneously we saw Helga realising that in fact, everybody hates her and nobody wants to trust her.
And then by the end they both end up crying on each others' shoulders and realise they desperately need each other and it's beautiful.
>>83448112
I wonder how that would affect Helga.
>>83447311
BULLFIGHTS AND SWORDFIGHTS
ROLLING IN MANURE
ONCE ON THE HEAD,
I CAN ENDURE
>>83445883
It was the Ol Opry episode, the floorboy said it wrong
![hey arnold! - 1x06 - heat ~ snow.avi_snapshot_22.25_[2014.09.18_19.00.14].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rwF8yyV.jpg "hey arnold! - 1x06 - heat ~ snow.avi snapshot 22.25 [2014.09.18 19.00.14]")
>>83448112
hi ruth hi ruth hi ruth hi ruth hi ruth hi ruth hi ruth hi ruth
>that snow episode where arnold had to do chores all day and couldnt play and finally at the end he gets to skate and sees ruth off in the distace
>>83449635
Your interpretation is a little too dramatic IMO. Its not like the other kids hate Helga, its just that they arent willing to endure her bullshit like Phoebe, because they dont know Helga as well as Phoebe does. Also, I dont think the point was that they desperately need each other, but that they were being foolish into thinking that they could just as well do without one another, or that they could be replaced.
>>83447721
DLToon...
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>>83447704
>Have an Olga happy dance..
>>83441551
talk to your therapist. I talked to mine how All Star Superman made me cry and I felt better after
Man, I had a crush on an older girl and she kinda looks like Ruth. Now I understand...
>>83433978
>the character of ruth is about idolising a girl from afar when you really no nothing about. Constantly putting her a pedestal.
Basically every girl i've ever been interested in.
Its not great.
>>83442395
I dont think so, tim.
>>83452578
I wish foot fetishists tried to be subtle.
Anyone ever notice just how similar Phoebe is to Olga? They're both academic overachievers that have a hard time coping with even the slightest bit of failure.
>>83453877
You don't notice the subtle ones.
>>83446106
I have never in my life seen elementary schoolers act like this, I always felt like this took place in middle school.
>>83454457
Portland/New York is weird as shit.
>>83454104
No, but now I will never not notice it.
>>83441551
It's okay, anon.
>>83454104
That's why Helga likes Pheobe. She's like Olga, but Helga actually sees Pheobe's flaws.
I need porn of Emily Dickinson sharply whispering "cheater" in Anon's ear as she rides his dick while he's on the phone with his gf
>>83441551
screencapped
>>83434797
My school did co-ed sexual education in FIFTH grade. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but have since learned that that was considered very odd.
>>83433224
She was pretty ditzy. Thought all those poems were written by Anonymous... Seriously.
>>83434507
I liked Miriam a lot, and also Rhonda and strangely I quite enjoyed Harold. I found him to be a flawed character that I understood. His parents and friends and size haven't allowed him to learn good social interaction skills.
>>83441551
How embarrassing, didn't you watch the movie?
>>83435019
That was season 1, when they were still finding their footing. Interestingly, from what I have been told, Craig the creator started out season 1 of Hey Arnold as a bit more of his head in the clouds, above all the struggles and anxieties. Only around midway through season 1 did he start acting more like the Arnold we all know and like.
>>83435504
Nope, that one is from none other that Limey404 aka DoublePines, back before Gravity Falls existed and she still used DeviantArt. She didn't do a lot of them though.
I don't know about that pot-obsessed person.
>>83435458
I had Sex Ed I think one or two days each year and that was all. We were separated by gender. That picture in question is definitely from high school because we weren't taught about condoms until then.
>>83435681
Wow that's early.
>>83435912
The writing in Hey Arnold! was generally very good.
>>83436110
Same here. I rediscovered it in my 20s and it is great. Rewatched it again last year and it still holds up after 20 years solid and great as ever.
>>83441551
>a lot of her unhappiness is completely her own fault.
It pains me to agree with you because I freakin' love Helga, but you are sadly right. Her family doesn't help, AT ALL, but yeah, her own psychosis are her own worst enemy. Her dad may be a blowhard workaholic, her mom an ACTUAL alcoholic, and her sister is so wrapped up in her own point of view she can't see Helga as a real person nor anything more than her baby sister. But all those don't directly stop her from confessing her love.
But Arnold has become so important, so integral to her life, that she is too afraid to change things lest she love him. He is, for her, the one stabilizing good point her life. The rest is too hard for her to handle.
Okay, maybe not completely her own fault. But her situation illustrates how you need to have friends and family to help you learn to deal with yourself and deal with problems. If left alone with no one to talk to, it is very very difficult to grow and overcome your own mind.
And friend, there's nothing wrong with finding deeper meaning in ANYTHING, let alone a kids cartoon. Firstly, Hey Arnold! is probably a masterpiece of animation and story telling. It IS trying to teach life lessons while being entertaining. I remember when I learned from a moment in another cartoon when was 22 about the importance of being thankful, instead of bitter and unhappy.
>>83433650
>forbidden /ss/ love
>2 years difference
TWO fucking years for crying out loud!
Considering that they had to remove an actual pedo character, this one is rather tame.
The problem also is, that cartoons have always the difficulties of depicting "children" way more mature than they actually are.
Arnold is probably one of the worst offenders in the history of /co/, as even the adults came to him to ask for advice.
>>83434514
We had coed sex-ed when I was 9.
Dunno what grade I would be when I was in the US.
>>83434632
>hey BB, wan sum fugg :DDDD
Smooth as a motherfucker!
>>83459842
I read that as coed sex and wondered why you had to specify but then I remembered where I was.
Are they actually doing that jungle movie finally?
>>83460158
yep
>>83433073
Did Phoebe have a thing for Gerald?
>>83459555
Perhaps the best episode to illustrate how Helga sabotages herself is "Helga and the nanny".
>>83461288
Yeah. They were the hip minority couple.
>>83462457
is limey some sort of HA obscessed?
>>83463500
Probably, but its also not a very hard artstyle to do, which lends itself well to fanart.
so...how bout that movie, huh
>>83433333
checked
>>83433835
WHAT THE FUCK, NICK
How did no one catch that?
>>83434632
I don't care if I'm a day late, tell me it continues.
>>83441551
cool facebook post man
So, what was your favorite episode?
>>83454104
The academic push is the only similarity.
Where Olga is demonstrably touchy-feely, Phoebe is downright taciturn by comparison. Whether it's due to her Japanese heritage or just her own personality quirk, Phoebe very rarely lets her emotions show, let alone rule her actions.
This is why the consequences of "Pre-Teen Scream" are so mortifying to her - she actually acted like a preteen girl and was utterly humiliated by it. "Phoebe Skips" also shows she's vulnerable to peer pressure and gets taken advantage of by the 6th-grade girls, also resulting in humiliation.
Phoebe is nothing like Olga.
>>83433975
I found this recently. Thought it was pretty neat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hJKhiew2O0
>>83433975
Shit, a lot of weirdly strong emotions came flooding back from the Parents Day ending theme...
Hey Arnold was really fucking good.
>>83437899
He's a heroin addict.
>>83433650
Heh, you know in an alternate universe we could've gotten some of that. Apparently Lana Vail was supposed to have a crush on Arnold. I've never seen an interview proving it though.
"Cecile" is best HA girl
>>83460540
I want to bury my face in the front of that skirt
>>83433975
>The music is even more powerful than I remember
"Jim Lang, give us some of that school shooter theme shit mang"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSzEUR7h-Ew
>>83453877
It's a vidcap.
Go blame the artists
>>83434417
I SAW
I SAW
YOUR FACE
AND WOW!
Pheobe is the best Hey Arnold girl
>>83470465
RIGHT THEN I TOOK A VOW
THAT WE'D BE TOGETHER GIRL
JUST YOU AND ME
THAT'S THE MEANING OF ETERNITY
>>83453644
>not unibrow
DELETE THIS
>>83447831
Exactly this, Clarence is a more accurate representation of my childhood than any other kid's show has been able to achieve
>>83442733
Now that he's back with Nickelodeon, it's highly unlikely.
I will never not feel bad for this turtle
>>83471080
I liked that Hey Arnold stretched things to increase a coolness factor. Like there's very little possibility that a 9 year in the 90's would have a room as awesome as Arnold's with their own computer and Internet connection, sound system, controllable lighting system, roof access, music collection and video editing software, but it was fun to imagine yourself with those things. Clarence is far more realistic and relatable, which is good in its own way too, but it's not as cool a show.
>>83471228
Wouldn't surprise me if he died upon being released into the ocean due to un-acclimated shock or some shit
>>83471267
Of course. I totally lusted after Arnold's room as a kid.
>That episode where it's implied Ernie is killed by a ghost shortly after it ends
>>83471305
Or more likely, got hit by a boat
Looking back, they did a lot of same episodes twice.
>Arnold making Helga temporarily blind and get amnesia only for Helga to keep faking it to spend more time with Arnold (then did the same thing when Helga caused Phoebe to break her leg),
>the camping trip and fishing trip gone wrong
>like three different urban legends about a ghost story that end up being real
>Helga's diary and then locket ending up in Arnold's hands and her trying to get them back
>>83471861
That fucking diary one where she just collapses through the ceiling in the middle of their sleepover.
Jesus.
>>83441903
The episode where his grandmother tears the house apart is 100% genius
>>83471875
>the parrot one where she was going to beat it to death in front of the whole class until the Komodo dragon ate it.
do you DARE?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e9v_Gfmq1g
>>83465042
I said the same thing...darq sent them to me...
>>83446323
>Arnolds parents as a whole are a bit unbelievably good people
That's usually the case for the parents of orphan MCs, mostly because when the MC learns about them he only gets to hear about how awesome they were and how sad it is that they are dead.
Harry Potter did a cool twist with it after he spent 5 books idealizing his parents as the most awesome people that ever existed.
>>83465390
not bad
>>83433835
>>83472899
She's just wearing skin colored leggings.
Now this is an interesting one.
>>83465316
But it still doesnt invalidate that they both are really bad at coping with the fact that they werent perfect or the best in class. Whats different about them is the reason why:
Phoebe is prideful of her grades, and she wants to be the best.
Olga, though, was trained to be the best. Her parents basically made it so being the best was an integral part of Olgas identity, and whenever she fails to reach these standards, she has a serious mental breakown. To Olga, being perfect isnt a matter of pride, but the bare minimum.
>>83475029
Remember Phoebe's surprise at being bested by Sheena. This pushes her to cheat to maintain her status as the best - it's part of her identity.
Olga, however, sinks into a melodramatic depression when she believes she has made her first B. No scheming, no mad plans to remove the blemishing grade from her records. She just shuts down.
That's what separates her from Phoebe. Olga accepts her fate, if somewhat histrionically. Phoebe actually is willing to change her fate. Remember that we also see this in "Hall Monitor" - she will act outside her projected behavior pattern to maintain control over her surroundings if pushed. (Even Helga's fantasy world in "Married" shows that she recognizes Phoebe doesn't tolerate deviation from her plans.)
I listened to this song so much as a kid. I still have this Nicktoons CD too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0wpPJUiyas
>>83437899
>filename
>>83475434
But that's what I said. Phoebe wants to be the best, while Olga needs to be the best. To them, the reasons are different, but to everyone else, they would appear quite similar.
It's been awhile since I've seen the show but did the show keep the character development?
Like Rhonda becoming a better person after befriending Patty. I thought the episode was great one of my favorites really. But I can't remember if she actually stayed being a better person
>>83473515
Nice try, my friend told me it was lasy animators.
Same thing can be said for the 80's Transformers G1.
>Why AIN'T there more R34 of them together.
>>83476125
I know that Harold became less of a bully.
>>83476125
The show did have a lot of repetitive character development.
Rhonda usually goes back to being a rich smug cunt in the episodes focused on her then learns back her lesson, just like Oskar going back to being a lazy sleazebag or that singer becoming a dick again. The episodes that didn't focus on her though had her being on good terms with everybody else in school.
>>83476440
That was more of him originally being conceived as the bully character (eventually the 5th graders took the role) while Harold became the fat friend/token jew.
>>83475839
Well, I still think that Olga's drive to be the best is obviously a function of her showmanship, while Phoebe's is much more internalized. Anyone giving them something beyond a passing glance would pick this up immediately. Olga would be seen as a flashy showoff, while Phoebe would be seen as just another diligent Asian overachiever.
Remember how Olga brags about the grades on her latest report card while Phoebe quietly expects her next top grade on the latest assignment? They both come from pride, but one is flaunted by its recipient while the other one is downplayed.
Also remember the reactions to less-than-best grades: one is consolation for a perceived loss while the other is teasing for slipping performance. Even if both are expected to be the best, the responses to each shows that each audience understands the underlying motivations and adjusts their response accordingly.
>>83476920
The difference everyone misses is that Olga knew she earned that A+. She knew she worked her ass off and she knew she aced every assignment in that class. So how's she supposed to take her grade? That despite working as hard as she could have and doing everything expected of her it wasn't good enough and she has no idea what she could have done wrong because she knows she went above and beyond what was expected of her.
And yet there's that grade. It's probably the cruelest thing Helga has ever done.
>>83476697
Rhonda has mellowed out a bit over time. The times she has to learn to be more tolerant have gone from generalized (cool vs. geek) to more specific (Patty, Curly), and each time she learns a bit more.
Is she perfect? No don't expect her to be yet - she's nine. Is she improving , though? Yes, she is.
As for Oskar? I'm still surprised that an unemployed illiterate leech like him bagged such a cutie as Suzie. I don't think he'll ever change his ways completely.
(I have this fantasy that Suzie finds out the preacher who did their wedding turns out to be fake. When the judge presiding over the annulment finds out the immigrant Oskar is not in the country legally due to this, he gives Suzie the chance to marry him for real to keep him here - and she says no.)
Harold mellows out with good influences (Arnold, Patty, Marty Green). He'll be okay as soon as he moves away from his enabling mom.
>>83477086
Graded on a curve. perhaps? Or maybe she just never questions authority.
And, yes, it was evil on Helga's part, because she knew this would happen - yet even she succumbed to her conscience eventually. She's not as evil as she thought (and Olga still forgives her, because she knows that even though Helga isn't a slave to performance like she is, she still gets short shrift in other ways).
>>83476920
Eh, maybe you're right. But there's definitely something very amiss in Olga's character for her to have such a breakdown. That reaction of hers wasn't due to her dissapointing her parents, but due to her head just not computing how she could have been less than perfect. It's clear that the idea of her being the best is deeply rooted in her character, and she cannot function if she fails.
Phoebes reaction is much more due to her own vanity.
>>83477412
In all likelihood she would have believed she would have had to have bombed the final and that's how she got her grade.
>>83477287
I think Suzie eventually left him, at some point later in the series the only tennants in the house were Hyunh, Oskar and Ernie while Suzie was nowhere to be seen.
>>83477575
I can agree with both of your conclusions here.
>>83477621
It really wouldn't have mattered how it happened. The incongruity of a non-A grade on her report card just made her brain BSOD.
>>83477646
No Oskar. He'd never make the rent payments.
So everyone has a favorite character. But what is the worst character?
I never really liked Eugene.
Grandpa Phil is best character. He gave Hitler a wedgie.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x29x7hm_grandpa-phil-gives-hitler-a-wedgie_fun
>>83471228
You just reminded me of this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ72HJcrdd8
>>83472120
There was also the one where she left a confession on Arnold's answering machine while high on dentist gas.
Hey Arnold was da bomb
>>83479697
Timbox, please.
>>83478277
Iggy's an almost irredeemable asshole. So much so that he was never given a central role in an episode again after his first. As much as I feel for Mr. Hyuhn in the Christmas episode, I was never a fan of him as a side character.
>>83479729
I think he was written completelty out of the show.
>>83479519
When she's sober, Miriam Pataki is hypercompetent and sexy as hell.
>>83478277
Worst kid? Iggy.
Most annoying young kid? Timberly.
Worst adult? Oskar.
Worst recurring adult? Nick Vermicelli.
Funniest worst recurring adult? The Jolly Olly Man.
>>83479519
Best moment of the show.
>>83479878
Well, those Olga genes had to have come from someone.
>>83433835
>>83472899
There isn't even anything to see.That must be why they're mad
>>83479878
Don't you mean IF she's sober.
Why did she become a boozehound again?
>>83480757
She just needs the root cause of her depression to be eliminated (i.e., Big Bob needs a a big boot upside his head. Several times.).
>>83435295
Sounds like somebody wasn't the smart kid in class.
>>83481446
was it ever explained why her mom was always drinking? olga turned out okay, and dad though a workaholic seemed to be proud of his family, so i dont know why the mom became like that
>>83481760
Bob had a habit of speaking unkindly about those who he didn't approve. I suspect that a little post-partum depression after Helga's birth, along with a few choice comments about how Helga fails to meet the expectations he has for her, led her to drown her sorrows.
>>83435912
Is watching it in order the ideal way to experience it?
This is probably a dumb question
>>83481760
I'm not sure it's ever outright explained but it is implied that Miriam drinks due to her not having a sense of purpose. The moment Bob goes down and Miriam has to step up, she snaps back into the competent individual she was before she got married.
>>83435295
Haha what? No.
>>83480243
Wow, I'm liking this. Who's the artist? Google search is giving me squat.
>>83483860
Looks like Arabatos.
>>83435681
>>83435458
Wow, I NEVER had a full on dedicated class to sex ed period! We only just did why sex is only good once we got married and that was it.
Thanks Catholic schools!
>>83480757
loveless marriage to bob. I think it was stated she was champion bull rider and maybe olympic level swimmer/diver. How she got pulled into a marriage with bob, had what should have been the perfect child in Olga, and then become an alcoholic is beyond me though.
>>83483028
She said she was an olympic level swimmer in college. Bob's a traditional kind of guy and probably made her a stay at home mother once they got married and had Olga. Olga was brilliant and Mirriam and Bob poured a lot of their best qualities into her. Her leaving for college left a void that they couldn't fill with Helga, because they'd spent so much time focusing on Olga. Interestingly though, Bob said Olga first started showing her brilliance when she was around Helga's age, and Helga's brilliant in her own right, her parents just aren't aware of it.
>>83485433
Olga left, and they consider Helga to be a disappointment.
>>83485776
Damn... That's just so sad.
>>83483028
Who said that being the trophy wife of an egotistical asshole was easy? No sense of purpose at all besides looking after the house and raise children.
I wish there where more Rhonda/Curly episodes. Their dynamic is really fun and unique.
>>83485776
Bob considers Helga a disappointment and the feeling is mutual. Helga gets exasperated by her mother's negligence but Miriam actually does love her. Road Trip shows that Helga doesn't know a damn thing about her mother beyond the fact that she's unreliable. Once they start to open up to each other things go smoothly, and when Miriam takes over the Beeper Emporium for Bob, they actually have a totally normal and healthy relationship for a while. Unfortunately, it doesn't last.
>>83489239
It wouldn't be so bad if every time Olga shows up, she didn't break out into her own endless loop of "Everything Is Awesome" instead of confronting her dad on his buffoonish behavior, her mom about her alcoholism, both on their neglect of Helga, and Helga for not at least trying when they seem even slightly responsive to changing.
This in no way lets Olga off the hook. She's an enabler of impressive talent and should've been called out on that by now, at least by Helga.
>>83471545
To be fair, Ernie is probably the toughest person in the entire boarding house, with the possible exception of Grandpa. If anyone's going to survive, it would be Ernie.
>>83472120
"Helga's Parrot" episode is one of my favorites in the entire show and it is hilarious. Also, the Voice Actress for Helga really sells it throughout the show with her screams. Golden.
>>83473304
To be fair, i have known one couple like him. Father worked as high level exec for Panasonic and then to Amazon. He could cook a great Pulled Pork Sandwich and his wife was an amazing athlete. They worked their mutual jobs very hard, funding an orphanage in Haiti, until they could eventually quit their day jobs to become full time missionaries. Crazy, but amazing people.
>>83477646
Unfortunately no. She was there in episode 93, Racing Mule, alongside Oskar.
>>83477287
>(I have this fantasy that Suzie finds out the preacher who did their wedding turns out to be fake. When the judge presiding over the annulment finds out the immigrant Oskar is not in the country legally due to this, he gives Suzie the chance to marry him for real to keep him here - and she says no.)
That would be really good. I think is plausible as a Slice of Life story in keeping with the show genre, only this time showing Suzie that she needs to move on. It can even be positive for Oskar by forcing him to wake-up, and try harder in foreign country. (Even though he really won't, but he's worst character.)
>>83479878
Miriam was pretty sexy, and she had some serious potential as a character also. I quite liked all her episodes.
>>83480757
>>83481760
Marriage where the love has gone, and no career. Olga had left, so she had nothing remaining she felt she could concentrate on. I'm pretty sure Helga was an "oops" baby, ie. unwanted pregnancy given the gap in ages between the girls.
There was (a couple of years ago) some great conversation about the deeper character and potential background of Bob. Wish I'd saved it. My opinion though, is that Bob is overly career and ambition focused. He often loses focus on his family as PEOPLE and looks at them like achievements, hence the trophies, pushing Olga and Helga to achieve. "Pataki's are winners! We don't lose." But he's capable to being loving when he slows down.
Miriam really shaped up like crazy in The Beeper Queen episode with a career option. But she did lose some prioritization. I think she generally improved with her drinking after that episode.
Also, she was pretty cool in Road Trip. Imagine if she was sober and amorous.She'd ride you like you were that mechanical bull.
>>83481977
Yeah. Sadly neither parent realized how very clever and aware Helga is, and the incredible willpower and drive she sometimes displays. She could probably be more driven than Olga if she wanted, but feels the need to be distinct from her. Remember the Aptitude Test episode, where she scored equivalent to her sister without even trying?
Yeah, that's the most realistic aspect of the Patakis. Threyre super dysfunctional, but they ultimately care for one another. Even Bob and Miriam I believe still have some genuine love for one another, even if it's faint now.
Really, Helga's misery is in large part due to her own actions.
>>83489543
I don't think Olga is self-aware enough to realize any of those things. Just because she's an overachiever doesn't mean she's perceptive.
>>83491924
*perceptive
>>83490306
I think there was a redemption plan in the works, if the sequel series was gren lighted.
>You have that at a higher quality?
>>83493017
It freaked me out as a kid when she cried black.
>>83491884
>Really, Helga's misery is in large part due to her own actions.
Cool victim blaming.
>>83433116
>>83433425
>>83433777
>>83433978
I just binge watched this series. All the 'mystique' and such was Arnold's imagination and the date was the first time with actually interacting with the real her; she was a ditz. She wanted to talk about Jamie and Jessie and her hair and shoes.
That french girl? Promise. But that same episode really did open up Helga as a damn good ship. Really, really, really made me root for that to canonize already.And they did in the movie~
>>83433978
Never gotten to the "get to know her" stage.
>>83440892
As opposed to...?
>>83433978
Most guys on 4chan can't appreciate a lesson like that in a kids show because they're too beta to have ever gotten close to said girls they idolized and learn that.
They're probably still thinking about the same girl from high-school they could have theoretically banged at 23.
>>83434514
Wow, your community must be super conservative.
All our sexual education and health classes were co-ed. It's sensible for boys and girls to know about the opposite sex as well as their own bodies.
Really. God forbid boys learn that girls bleed or girls learn that boys come in their sleep. They'd become sexual deviants for sure.
>>83493431
Cool gaslighting, helga isn't even the victim in most of her episodes.
>>83491924
If you listen to how Olga tells Helga how lucky she is that their parents don't notice her in "Olga Comes Home," it's a rare candid view that shows Olga is more perceptive than she lets on.
Olga puts on the Pollyanna act to try and coerce those around her to behave more civilly and appreciate what they have. Hell, if you've ever seen the Disney movie "Pollyanna" (or read the novel it's based on), Olga can be seen as someone who desperately plays the "game" Pollyanna plays of looking on the bright side of everything. It bites Pollyanna in the butt eventually and it bites Olga as well, with Helga being the one to give her the ammunition to put her into trouble over the grade change.
Ironically, Olga sees this as an opportunity to both give her sister a break and to show Helga that being Olga isn't a cakewalk, either. It doesn't mean they're buddies afterward, but there may be a bit more understanding, and that's a starting point for the two.
>>83493801
>>83493431
>>83491884
Alright ladies stop fighting.
Helga's family is not a wreck, but it does border on dysfunctional. The Father is inadvertantly cruel and blunt. I don't believe he'd intentially hurt anyone, but he's the kinda guy that'd just say shit and not think about the ones he hurting. I.E. That Family Fun episode where the kids and their parents competed athletically in the park. He shouted "We are not losing to that loser orphan boy and his family". And then there were other episodes with him pushing it.
BUT as previously said in the thread, when he realizes whats up, he does make an effort to clean up his shit and, usually, does so.
The Mother is listless and forgetful of her own daughter. The show never straight says it but it's pretty accepted she drank heavily. Still, in her episodes, when she bucked down she was really a good mom, if just a tiniest bit ditzy.
Olga is similar to her Father in a way. Think about those Progressive Age white women in the 1950s or their counterparts in... I want to say the 1800's. They mean well, they do well, but they do it 'wrong' in a way. I.E. We are bringing goods and learning to the poor children in the ghetto.Because they are too under us to help themselves. If you all get what I'm saying. Helga does take it out on her too much I think, but some of it is warranted. She wants to do good, but she goes too far sometimes or doesn't pay attention to others enough.
Helga is 9/10 and so far has grown up around the worst bits of her family and is only now getting better with Olga leaving the house for college and her being able to voice her problems with her Mom and Dad and them being able to actually listen.
Helga DOES create her own problems due to her untactful and crude nature learned from her growing up. She does deserve the responsibility of being the main antagonizer but also responsibility should extend to her family.
>>83493864
I always felt that "Olga comes home" should happen cronologically in the later part of the series. That understanding that Olga and Helga had was pretty much inexistent on her later appearances, so I always figured it had to have happened later in the timeline, assuming that such a concept was even a thing.
But Olga episodes are amongst the most bitter ones in the series. In "big sis" Helga is actually honest with her and even tries to get along with her, but Olga never really makes an effort to ensure that Helga feels welcome and confortable when theyre not alone. She always seems to be oblivious to Helgas feelings, she'll always be her baby sister. It took Helga sending her into a depressive breakdown for Olga to finally treat Helga as an equal, and actually listen to her.
>>83442395
apparently, Pigeon Man was supposed to commit suicide but it was rejected because it was too dark, so they made it much more positive.
>>83495015
Pigeon Man... I felt so bad for him, It must have hurt so much what happened in that episode.
>>83494581
It was kind of a waste to have "Olga Comes Home" early in the series. They probably would've felt more free to build on the exchange later on as Helga's personality has mellowed and matured.
I'd like to see Olga as a chaperon for the class when they journey to San Lorenzo, assuming "The Jungle Movie" actually sees the light of day. Nothing like death lurking around every corner to make wayward sibling learn to rely on each other.
>>83497196
>assuming "The Jungle Movie" actually sees the light of day
Its full on production, and ita gonna be a two hours long movie.
Should premiere in september 2017, according to Craig himself:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BE2gfdRsFIV/
I've been watching a few random episodes, and Big Bob is always a cunt. Does he ever get any humanizing moments?
What's your favorite Hey Arnold episode, /co/?
Mine is "Old Iron Man".
>We're both gonna drown. Bet ya I drown first.
>You're on!
>>83498851
Quantity time and Big Bob's Crisis.
>>83447704
>ITS GREAT TO LEARN
>CUZ KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
>>83482751
Watching it in order is fine until about the final season. (Though now seeing others comments you could watch "Olga Comes Home" until the final season as well. Hold off watching "Married". Make it your last episode. I am not sure where to place the movie but near around the end of the series or as the second to last thing you watch. Then watch the episode "Married" as your series finale.
Some people really love the Journal, but for me I find this episode to be a lovely sweet finish to the show.
>>83491924
Pretty much this. Olga demonstrates a profound ability to only see the world through her own desired paradigm and lenses. She doesn't address her mother's alcoholism (though it's probably less visible whenever she's around) nor her father's attitude (same). But she definitely doesn't know know how to deal with Helga... or children with more complicated emotional needs. The student teacher episode is a telling one. She sees Helga as only her baby sister, and is firmly fixed on that viewpoint.
And let's not forget Olga Gets Married, with being so easily conned. In fact, perhaps being easily duped runs in the family, and Helga is the anomaly?
>>83493017
That's capped right from the DVD sources and pasted together by yours truly. So, no, there isn't any higher quality. :)
>>83465226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__gzs7X3XDg
>>83441903
>>83441966
I think its a little of both. We get the kind of emotional episodes like the one with the long distance girl, and then we get slapstick silliness like Jeff and his stupid ass fries. I guess on a sliding scale, EENE would be the side of most slapstick SOL, HA! would be at the side of most emotionally based SOL, and Clarence would be somewhere in between. Your mileage may vary on if it works or not.
Everyone in that boarding house was fucked up.
FUCKED UP.
>>83471349
Shit, I'm a grown ass man and I still wish I had a room half as cool as Arnold's, even now.
>>83437899
>only way to stop one addiction is to replace it with another
Show had some real messages.
>>83443482
It was the episode about Arnold's Parents.
We're leaving it at that.
>>83495015
Pretty sure Bartlett himself has said otherwise.
>>83484501
>It's porn
Oh my.
Thanks.
There'll never be another show like hey arnold again.
Man.
>>83503966
>This style of animation will never be on Nick ever again.
![hey arnold! - 1x07 - operation ruthless ~ the vacant lot.avi_snapshot_11.45_[2014.09.18_19.09.13].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LVjUZiQ.jpg "hey arnold! - 1x07 - operation ruthless ~ the vacant lot.avi snapshot 11.45 [2014.09.18 19.09.13]")
>>83505024
i prefer the rougher first season style
>>83505901
You're right.
The aesthetics as a whole were better in season 1.
>>83505929
>>83505901
>>83505024
if hey arnold was made today...
Reminder that Rhonda was best girl
>>83506051
I whole heartily agree.
Curly looked really good in that dress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdMiJ60KKHY
>Rugrats got that all grown up spin-off rather than Hey Arnold!
Why
>>83508943
What would be the point? Most Hey Arnold characters already acted like high schoolers and kids show means no sex stuff.
>>83437899
>He's addicted to chocolate because his grandma used to give it to him
>"What would she think if she saw you now?"
Shit cuts deep.
>>83509586
>his grandma
His nanny, actually.
I liked that the show could deliver RL problems with a small slice of humor and get them somewhat resolved.
Not many shows can even come close to pulling that off anymore.
>>83511036
I like that it wasn't afraid to leave some problems unresolved and showed how people dealt with the effects of those problems.
Best voice?
>>83513064
Overall? Francesca Smith, no contest. She literally grew into the Helga character, taking it from a broad caricature to a layered, nuanced person.
>>83511036
>Not many shows can even come close to pulling that off anymore.
Yeah.
Well, except forSteven Universe.
>>83445701
As far as I remember, yeah
>>83454502
Chances are, Arnold's neighborhood is overrun with hipsters by now
>>83445701
Portland, if I'm not mistaken. I went by the island from that one episode while I was there. Nasty place, but it was supposedly much better in the 80s and 90s.
>>83513383
definitely agreed. Francesca did a top notch job, especially for a kid
>>83513454
And at least inSteven Universethe characters actually get past their flaws.
Wasn't Oskar always a cunt? Like, forever?
>>83515189
People dont magically forget their flaws, and thats why the characters in HA are much more relatable and memorable than whatever it is the kids are into these days.
Helga doesnt suddenly become an amiable person, but she does grow, desite her flaws. Oskar also grows, but he still has his flaws.
People dont choose to have flaws, theyre just naturally flawed, its not something you can just choose not to have. If the characters in SU just get over their flaws like that then they are truly nothing more than average cartoon characters.
>>83517313
whore
>>83508716
Oscar is kinda cute when he's like this.
>>83517364
Nope, she's an opportunist. Get your jollies where and when you can find them.
Curly is best boy
>>83519884
Which characters will he kill when he eventually shoots up the school?
>>83520155
The order I assume is :
Harold first.
Wolfgang and his lackies.
Mr. Simmons
Patty.
Principal Wartz.
Eugene.
Rhonda.
Then Helga.
Stinky
Gerald
Phoebe
>>83480161
For a second i thought he was doing anal.
>>83520950
Who said he didn't?
>>83517313
>not enjoying every second of it
what a faggot
>>83438946
He was afraid to move on to the afterlife.
>>83520155
What would be the event that finally makes him snap?
>>83521202
Sandy Hook
>>83520155
knowing this show he'd trip and shoot himself right after pulling the gun out
>>83521202
It could be anything, look what he did for not getting to be ball monitor and for not being allowed to tell the ghost bride story.
>>83521393
That would be if Eugene were the shooter
>>83521602
>Eugene
>a ginger shooting up a school
Fat chance.
>>83521202
Ball Monitor.
To be truthful, Arnold is too much of a buttinski to let let most* any of his classmates reach "school shooter" level. Even if it happened, he'd still be the first one going in, trying to talk them down.
After all, there's no kid that we know of that really hates Arnold, is there?
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*Thaddeus Gamelthorpe may be the only one he has no chance of stopping, but it doesn't mean he won't try.
>>83522671
At one point I had the sense that there was no one but Gerald who really liked Arnold. Like no one hates him, but that quality isn't always the most endearing.
>That one Boarding house resident that was supposed to be sexually attracted to Arnold.
We nearly got /ss/ on a kids show.
>>83522790
Arnold is a likeable guy. He'd give you the shirt off his back (and the other shirt off his back to someone else). He's a leader, and he treats everyone with respect. He tries to help others out with no expectations of anything back.
This doesn't mean that he, nor any of the people he interacts with, can't have moments of selfishness and uncaring behavior. It just means that when the chips are down, Arnold really does have others' interests ahead of his. He's a fun guy - not a riot, but he's certainly not seen as a downer, except when he asserts his authority as moral compass.
This is the whole theme of "Deconstructing Arnold" - he backs off when the kids say to butt out of their problems, and all hell breaks loose when they get lazy (don't think for themselves) and take Helga's advice. They then realize that until they learn to behave in a socially correct manner, they need Arnold to remind them how to do so - because he's trustworthy. He may be a bit of a wet blanket sometimes, but wet blankets put out fires quite effectively.
>>83523216
Yeah, Arnold would definitely rank in the top 3 in a popularity contest for the people in his classroom. He is certainly more liked by all of his friends than Rhonda, Helga, Harold, Curly and Eugene are
>>83524478
It's missing Timberly
>>83433779
Uh no... they're just super poor. An episode showed them crying because he ate their last can of beans.
>>83524478
>>83524650
>It's missing Timberly
And Rhonda, and Nadine, and Sheena.
It's certainly missing Phoebe.
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>>83524650
>>83525193
needs more girls to really show how much of a pimp Arnold is, like all the girls in his class at minimum, maybe Ruth, Timberly,Patty, and the real Cecile as wellcrap I might need to commission something for this now
>>83525193
Did any of those ever show interest in Arnold?
>>83525222
It's always fascinating to read stories people have written about Arnold hooking up with various different girls from the series. He does have a universal appeal.
I'd like to see the different girls imagine themselves with Arnold, much like "Married" did for Helga. It would be eye-opening to see how each girl feels she would mesh with Arnold.
>>83525318
Only Farm Girl, if I'm not mistaken. (Patty did acknowledge his appeal, but didn't seem interested.)
>>83525321
>He does have a universal appeal.
He is good self-insert material without being an annoying bland beta faggot like Doug.
>>83525321
Well, hes kinda popular amongst the girls of his class. Remember the school play episode when the girls found out that Arnold would play Romeo and they got all giggly?
>>83525770
They're fourth-grade girls. They'd get giggly about any boy who plays Romeo. That it's -approvingly- giggly about Arnold speaks volumes to his potential appeal to them.
>>83526120
Thats what I was driving at.
>That Curly is a real bon vivant
Will it disappoint?
>>83526919
Yes, unless it has a decent explanation to why a bunch of nine year olds are going on a rescue mission to a Central American jungle
>>83526975
it will be like an excursion.
>>83526919
silly question. anyone know which of the original voice actors can still do their characters well, WELL after puberty?
>>83527642
Dan Castellanetta.
>>83527627
>Hey, guys. Let's all go on a trip to a shithole country in Central America and travel into dangerous uncharted jungles so we can search for my parents who would be most likely completely dead if this weren't a cartoon. I'm sure your parents won't mind and that you'll be more capable than professional rescuers.
>>83528114
Well, I guess you'll have to wait for the movie.
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>>83459842
>>83493674
I'm glad I had actual good parents that taught me about sex instead of letting the government do it
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>>83495015
Pigeon Man said that he finally learned that people can be good, so why would he kill himself after that?
>>83524714
Pretty sure that anon was referring to an old post from on /co/ where a "psychologist" did a write-up on Lila. Talked about stuff like her weird "ever so ____" speech patterns. Although I believe their conclusion was that Lila's mom had abused her or something, which is why it was just her and her dad living together.
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>>83433116
What are the chances that she's actually a cousin of his on his mom's side?
>>83529392
It sure would have been easier to give birth to Arnold if he had inheritted his dad's head.
>>83471861
I always figured the Helga's ___ ending up with Arnold and her going to absurd lengths to get it back was just a recurring gag.
Hell the parrot episode was basically the same thing.
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>>83529392
pretty sure they made her face an inverted football head on purpose.
>>83514714
I dunno about Portland, but there are specific landmarks in Seattle which Craig copied into Arnold's town. I always got the impression it was an amalgamation of a couple places, but... Portland? Why do you say that?
>>83515780
>Oskar also grows, but he still has his flaws.
Actually I think Oskar never did grow, did he? I could never decide if it was writing needing him to be flawed or if they were showing that some people just don't change when there are enablers around?
I guess technically he learned to read, so that is growth.
>>83523216
I also like that sometimes Arnold's endurance breaks or his temper does become exceeded. He's not above acting in anger or chewing someone out or even holding a small grudge (for that one I'm referencing the Egg episode). He does try to move beyond these things though, when he recognizes them.
>>83525193
Nah, Phoebe wants Gerald bad.
>>83525318
Rhonda's not the dating type but she seemed to comment every so often that he had high marks in her system for dating material.
>>83525770
Hah! I never caught that. Thanks.
>>83440892
Not into shipping, but I agree, I always totally hated the idea of Arnold ending up with Helga. Nothing about being in a relationship with her seems healthy, whether it be the abusive helga front, or the completly obsessive psycho real helga. Arnold is a fucking saint and deserves far better than Helga.
>>83531898
He should be with Rhonda,that would be a fun and beneficial relationship
It's weird to see people talk like Olga has it good or is some perceptive person. Olga and Helga both have been fucked over in different ways, though their age difference makes it incomparable to accurately gauge.
Olga is a wreck. She is an anxious mess that will literally stop eating if she's anything less than "perfect" and doesn't seem to know how to deal with emotions without having complete breakdowns. She's easily conned by some asshole living a double life and just pretty much accepts him running off, she screams "Tell me what to do!" to her little sister about their relationship and runs off to Alaska to teach underprivileged children just to give Helga her "space" she requested (showing that she's uncomfortable and cold...this girl is seriously fucked in the head), and has an obsession with performing for her parents.
Also remember when she brought her husband-to-be home, Miriam said "don't make the same mistake I did" -- we basically are told there that Miriam and Bob is a loveless marriage and they basically held it together by focusing on Olga.
In the sequel Olga was supposed to actually drop out of university and try to be an actress (and fail and struggle) and disappoint her parents so that would have been interesting. It makes sense that she'd burn out.
>>83532336
None of those things you listed are mutually exclusive to being a good or perceptive person.
>>83531898
He deserves something healthier and so does she, for her own sake. Some guy that's totally unlike arnold but still a good person, so she can't project on to him. Arnold needs a nice girl but one that brings out his playful side that we saw in the April Fools episode.
>>83532367
Her lack of being able to think critically or have a real conversation with Helga about change, so much that the only conclusion they can come to is an insane amount of distance between them, is a reflection of how poor her understanding is of her sister. She embarrasses her in front of the class and obviously is in denial about her parents, she gets conned easily and is talked into things easily. I think in the end she's a very fragile and unstable person but also very unobservant. She means well and is a good person, but is not a good sister.
>>83532412
Again, none of those things are mutually exclusive to being a good or perceptive person. Being a good person doesn't mean you are 100% incapable of doing bad things. And being a perceptive person doesn't mean you're 100% incapable of missing anything ever.
It's almost like she, and other characters on the show, were modeled after real life people who are not perfect archetypes.
>>83531898
>>83532377
Can't tell if you're baiting about Helga. Though I don't mind the Rhonda + Arnold ship.
The thing is, Helga does need to grow in order to be a better partner for someone, but so does Arnold. Arnold's flaw (few though he seems to have) is being too nice, and also idolizing things, such as girls he pursues. He doesn't know when to think of himself in a relationship.
Helga would balance his giving spirit with her practicality and she would defend him and protect him, just as he would be able to protect her.
Actually if you think about it, Helga would be a good "project" girlfriend or partner for Arnold. It would take a long time to sort out Helga's problems, but the reward would / could be very fulfilling for both of them in the end. (And if it fails, they are no worse off.)
Helga's good qualities are numerous. She is passionate (sometimes uncontrollably so, but notably she does get better as the series goes on). She is very intelligent and a talented writer and witty when she doesn't want to bluster. She's loyal (her moments of lapses I chalk up to being young and also story requirements). She has ambition. She's also brave and has strong mental fortitude (given her family life). Underneath her bluffing exterior, she is very romantic, and would likely be a romantic partner in a relationship where she is able to approach things head on.
And with a bit of therapy she's capable of improving a lot of her psychosis.
Let's not forget she's actually very VERY self-sufficient. She's essentially taken care of herself since age 4, with very few exceptions. She makes her own meals, and gets herself around, does her own school work with no help we've seen (and gets grades nearly as good as Olga without even trying, and sometimes intentionally doing poorer just because she doesn't want to be her sister). She can act and is not a terrible athlete.
>>83527642
Helga's VA can definitely still do a good Helga. Recently she's done Chelsea in Clarence.
>>83438946
truly a classic
praise m00t that we were graced with this meme
>>83527642
Helga's VA, along with Rhonda's, Phoebe's, Olga's and Harold's. I'm pretty sure they're all signed on for TJM.
>>83527940
And Tress, most likely.
>>83528114
If they're still going with the original plot, Arnold wins the trip for the class in an essay contest or some shit. We'll see.
>>83533299
Makes you wonder if Miriam and Bob are actually bad parents, considering how talented their children are. Or maybe they're talented DESPITE their parents.
>>83536034
They excel because -and- despite their parents. Excelling accomplishes for the girls the dual tasks of both distracting them from bad behavior and giving them the coping skills to survive once they escape from home.>>83536034
>>83535123
It will be nice to hear the classic V.A's again.
I like how Rhonda is supposed to be this big fashion queen but she wears the exact same outfit every day.
>>83538242
She was my favorite side character,sassy and cute? What's there not to love?
>>83538242
I don't think she was supposed to be the rich, popular girl in the early episodes.
>>83538718
She was queen of the popular kids - a bit haughty, but still willing to hang with the common folk. She gets her comeuppance enough times that her attitude mellows quite a bit over the series, though.
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