>Rebirth gets Third Printing
>This Week's Rebirth One Shots sold out, gets 2nd Printing
>....... JL #50 and Superman #52 also get 2nd Printing
http://www.newsarama.com/29560-dc-universe-rebirth-1-gets-third-printing-first-wave-of-rebirth-one-shots-get-seconds.html
The Rebirth is real, now watch as the mouseketeers spin this as a negative and pull out the "Watchmen is a classic that should be left untouched" card
>it sells so it's good
>>83412540
But they are good, anon.
>>83412540
sales only matter when it aligns with my opinion
>>83412441
>watch as the mouseketeers spin this as a negative and pull out the "Watchmen is a classic that should be left untouched" card
Breevort said he would have don't it a long time ago...
>>83412540
It's pretty good. Sales figures are just the icing on the cake.
>>83412540
I'm sorry anon, these books don't have a shit ton of incentive variant covers backing them up causing the LCS to over-order. This is DC getting people into comics. Sold out in my LCS and all the other 5 LCS I went to (I decided to not get Green Arrow thinking it'll be tumblr shit, I was horribly wrong and now I regret it)
>>83412549
Rebirth is an alright story. JL was absolute garbage, and Superman 52 was probably the most meaningless death scene any Superman has gotten.
Too bad the Rebirth books so far have been bland and boring aside from Green Arrow.
>>83412635
Superman is going to be rough for a while. It will pick up once they establish the rest of the universe and Superdad adopts his new home and his place in it.
>>83412540
Have you actually read any of the titles?
The Rebirth book was handled extremely well, with a story that actually made sense, and didn't require a 12-issue crossover mega-event to complete. As for the individual Rebirth titles we've gotten so far -
Superman and Green Arrow were excellent.
Green Lanterns was very good (hell, they may even find something for Baz to do), and even though Batman was the weakest of the group so far, it still was more than passable.
The challenge is if they can keep up the momentum started these last two weeks.
>>83412441
>Watchmen is a classic that should be left untouched
It is though.
>>83412689
Superman sucked.
>>83412704
It didn't, it hit all the right feels.
>>83412540
DC having high sales on big books is good because it means a longer leash for my favorite books that tend to go on Didio life support
>>83412699
your dick is a classic that should be left untouched
>>83412704
it was ok but was pretty much there to say "NO SUPERMAN IS REALLY DEAD", but the Superdad parts where cool, and the flashback with Doomsday was well done.
>>83412734
Man I hope Dr Fate continues past Rebirth, it's getting real good now.
>>83412749
Fate was probably going to keep going anyway due to that rumor about Levitz being guaranteed a title.
>>83412604
Literally, Christ
>>83412704
>>83412749
The biggest problem was Superman giving up way too fast to try to revive New 52 Superman. He should have at least said "maybe there's another way, don't give up hope just yet!" or something.
>>83412540
>Mousketeers trying to pull this shit after bragging about RT scores & box office profits
Go fuck yourself with a Star Wars light saber toy.
>>83412767
Is there any rumor that Jurgens is guaranteed a title too? Because DC needs to cut that mediocre trash off permanently.
>>83412441
>being a companyfag for fucking /comic books/
consider suicide
>>83412832
I think the Levitz thing is due to him stepping down from being the president. Jurgens is just cronyism (and honestly I don't mind him but I wish they put someone actually "great" on Superman's main books).
>>83412604
Truly /co/ is the worst.
>>83412902
>Mediocre Trash is better than Lobdell Trash IMO
Not reading book at all is better than Lobdell.Unless he writes like Convergence: Blue Beetle, and I'm sure someone else wrote that.
>>83412441
Batman sucked.
Really though, what does Harras even do? Johns is clearly acting as EiC right now.
>>83412971
your mom swallowed
>>83412928
yeah... that was weird.
>>83413000
He's supposed to be the one that takes all the blame for everything terrible but somehow Didio managed to end up with that position
>>83412971
I think this was actually the weakest of the Rebirth issues.
>>83412971
Memes aside I kind of do blame Snyder for that. We know King can do a good single issue story. Doesn't seem like it would be his idea to just waste so many pages.
>>83412441
>a relaunch sells
Yeah, Marvel knew that.
Now let's watch those numbers drop every month and all the great comics getting cancelled.
>>83412441
Batman was lackluster at best. Just not what I expected from a title called "Rebirth" , but about what I expected from DC. Superman Rebirth was about the only one released this week that was any good.
>>83412792
>fuck your dead corpse, I'm Superman now
That 180 ruined the book for me, it was making sense and had the hope of Superman. Plus all his talk of resurrection and not knowing exactly how he would do it, then his first thought fails and he gives up. Fucking terrible ending
>>83413083
Even at a drop they'll probably still be higher a year from now than they were before. Marvel just burned all their fans' good will so their sales automatically snap back after the #1s because people know it's not a proper jump-on point.
>>83413083
Except DC Rebirth didn't launch with a fuck ton of incentive variants for every book unlike your typical Marvel Relaunch.
>>83412832
Jurgens artwork is okay, but most of the time he needs to have someone keep him on a tight leash when writing. About the only things of his from recent times that I really liked were the Superman:Lois and Clark and Convergence titles. Batman Beyond was completely forgettable, and JLI was just bad.
Sups.i loved this, Imo this is a great start for something potentially amazing.
I really like this issue. Glad to have Post-Crisis Supes back Can't wait for next week's Action Comics.
>>83413152
>incentive variants
DC seems to generally go for retailer exclusive variants over these now. I know Batman had a few.
>>83412689
>Superman and Green Arrow were excellent.
Great issue. Art is beautiful and writing is spot on. Much better than Batman Rebirth.
>>83412971
Batman wasn't really a "rebirth" more like a continuation so it didn't have much of an impact like the other ones
>>83413260
This Rebirth issue was the best one from the bunch. It really gave it's readers the idea of what they should expect,
Do people really think putting Watchmen characters in DCU is a good idea? Why?
>>83413261
Batman was ok.not Good.
So the Damiposter is a now a Supesposter?
>>83413308
metacommentary
>>83413308
For the last time casual they already are in the DCU. DC published the book.
>>83413323
>So the Damiposter is a now a Supesposter?
Yep. Because Superdaddy loves Superson and Dami will have book with him and all.
>>83413308
It's good idea if you want to rape everyone's childhood.
>>83413220
Having Superman enter a new phase of his life as a family man raising a newly-superpowered son has some serious potential if the can get it right.The dynamic is far different than what they worked with for the Batman titles, so I don't see much in the area of rehashed stories.
>>83413308
Because Johns said so.
>>83413353
Chris is the real Superson. Jon is shit.
>>83413308
Who gives a shit? The original book still exists in your torrent folder and this isn't doing any harm to that. If a good story comes out of that IP, I don't see the problem.
>>83413308
>not realizing that Doctor Manhattan tweaking timelines is just a modern version of a classic DC character.
>>83413342
That's not how it works. You know Moore and Gibbons were supposed to have full rights in the book and characters, right?
>>83413353
Sure, young people think Batman is uncool now ,Mediocre Trash I kind of do blame Snyder for that.
Percy said yesterday on twitter that GA Rebirth was over 90k. Not bad.
>>83413353
>It's good idea if you want to rape everyone's childhood.
Do tell anon how this raped your childhood. While you're at it, please tell us how prequels, kingdom of crystal Skull and ghostbusters rebbot are raping your childhood as well.
>>83413574
Only if it went out of print. And it's a Charlton Elseworlds anyway so let's not pretend it's original.
>>83413599
Cool.
>>83413552
Why would a good story come out of this, though? The original book already showed us everything we needed to know about these characters. Why struggle to try to squeeze something more out of them?
>>83413574
"Supposed to"
They were fools if they thought DC would be honest with them and not realising the value of their own work.
>>83413574
That is how it works dumbass. Moore originally wanted to use DC characters but DC said the story was too edgy. The comic was published under DC so it exist in the bleed, something I'm sure you are entirely unfamiliar with.
>>83413617
It was the norm for books to get out of print. The contract was designed to protect the authors and then the clause was used to steal from them
Or do you want to argue that DC *needed* to reprint the same book for 30 years straight?
the real question is why Doctor Manhattan has no pants.. that makes me laugh.
>>83413617
>it's a Charlton Elseworlds anyway
Yep, this more than anything convinces me that DC can use it
Now if it was Astro City or V for Vendetta, it would be different
>>83413652
What the fuck are you talking about. You are complaining about something that isn't happening. The Watchmen characters are not coming to DC you dumbass. Dr. Manhattan is just being used as a meta commentary on the negative impact Watchmen had on cape comics.
>>83413705
>Or do you want to argue that DC *needed* to reprint the same book for 30 years straight?
It's their bestseller pretty much every year. Why would they not?
If you're an adult you can read the contract and not sign it if you don't like the terms. Or take what you believe to be a sufficiently original idea and publish it separate from another company. They weren't taken advantage of here.
>>83413733
he's memeing because he has nothing left
>>83413697
No it's not. If any book published by DC was automatically part of the multiverse then what's the need of specifying now and then what's multiverse and what is not? If DC always thought of Watchmen as multiverse, why didn't they tell Morrison before making him write Earth 4?
I'm not saying they couldn't do it, they have the rights, I'm just arguing having Watchmen as part of the multiverse is a new (unnecessary) thing
>>83413792
you're mixing multiverse and hypertime up
>>83413792
You are so dumb. The numbered Earths are the Earths native to this Multiverse. Every Multiverse and story that has ever existed in DC exist in the bleed. Any of these stories can be brought into or used in the native Multiverse.
>>83413733
Dr Manhattan is a Watchmen character and he is indeed coming to the main DCU.
Enough about the garbage metacommentary. You act like these hacks are competent enough to pull something like that off. Johns certainly isn't.
>>83413944
>Enough about the actual plot of the story, I have no idea what is going on I just want to complain!
>>83413944
I'd love to see you do better.
>>83413944
>Abloo abloo muh childhood has been raped by these hacks
Grow up.
>>83413944
>You act like these hacks are competent enough to pull something like that off. Johns certainly isn't.
he literally already did it
>>83414068
>>83414001
The metacommentary is still garbage Johns shills.
>Watchmen made comics dark that's why we fucked up New52
>It's not our fault please believe me
>>83414083
No.
>>83414109
How can you like Watchmen but be too dumb to understand simple cause and effect?
>>83414137
Yes.
http://batman-news.com/2016/06/01/batman-rebirth-1-review/#disqus_thread
SCORE: 6 / 10
>>83414109
No its not. Have you even read Watchmen?
>>83414139
Watchmen had no active part in comics getting darker, comic book companies did it to themselves. Showing Manhattan fucking things up personally doesn't really convey that.
I call it now Dami thinking batman's embarrassing(an old man in underwear).he fired his batman My friends can not stop laughing..
>>83414208
Averages across multiple sites from comicbookroundup.com:
Superman: 7.4
Batman: 8.5
Green Arrow: 8.5
Green Lanterns: 7.7
Batman too high, imo but otherwise fair
>>83414257
Its existence and success caused copycats. That's fact.
Unless you're going to honestly claim it had no effect on the industry?
>>83414311
>Batman: 8.5
For me it is 2:10
>>83414344
TDKR had just as much of an effect on that. Is old man Bruce gonna team up with Manhattan and reach the main universe too?
>>83414187
No.
What we've seen so far is just "okay", is the problem.
>>83414344
Are you saying Moore should've foreseen that his work would be too good for the industry? I honestly can't tell what point you're making.
>>83414344
>Its existence and success caused copycats. That's fact.
Copycats?
What copycats?
We already had dark comics before. As for violent shit that has nothing to do with Watchmen.
This character is Johns biggest contribution to comics. No politics, no philosphy, just dumb crap, Johns killed Barry's mom, he considered his origin "too soft" and turned 3 arch enemies of superheroes in anti-heroes.
Any "meta" commentary from Johns carry no weight.
>>83412604
What tipped you off. Was it the constant "SJWs are destroying everything" threads posted on a daily basis.
>>83414460
I'm saying it's not Moore's fault but it was indeed a consequence of it existing. For some reason the metacommentary here gets painted as a blame game when it's not really that.
>>83414394
>>83414509
Then what makes Watchmen so important to you if you don't think its influence mattered? I don't get your argument.
>>83414547
The meta stuff is an apology if anything, not a blame game
>>83414583
I don't know if I go that far with it, but it is closer to that than Johns blaming anyone in particular I think. And I don't really believe it will pan out in the long run either but it was nice for what it was.
>>83412604
We had a good run.
>>83412832
He's probably under contract but can't draw an ongoing for whatever reason, so they let him write instead. I know that's what they do for Amanda Conner.
>>83412604
It was fun while it lasted.
What kills me is that I see other DC fans thinking Johns will save comics and film for us.
They seem to forget that some of Johns' ideas were the fucking PROBLEM.
>People thinking 52perman is dead forever
Just because they said he was gone forever does not make it true.
>>83413342
So Ronin takes place in the DCU as well?
>>83414765
Not to mention he's a mediocre writer.
>>83414765
People fall prey to "such and such is good at _____, so he must be good at ______" mindset.
>>83414797
Doesn't change that he isn't the "original" Superman anymore so even if he comes back he will just be some random character
>>83414827
We don't know which Superman is the actual, real, Superman, if Either. Remember, Mr. Oz said that NEITHER of the Supermen were who they thought they were
>>83414797
They even fucking told us he'd return.
>>83414765
But anon, he isolated the source of the problem! Turns out it was Watchmen all along, who knew.
>>83414765
There's a huge difference between writing for comics/television/film. Most people don't get that.
>>83414547
Watchmen opened the gate for VERTIGO.
Writters like Johns that confuse the greeks with the romans, or the edgyness of the 90's had nothing to do with Watcnmen or even TDKR
Stuff like Maus already existed, squadron supreme was already a thing.
Watchmen had a huge impact on the FREEDOM SOME writers would get, it said it was OK to bring storytelling from different mediums and alternative comics to the mainstream, to go deep in politics not as a commentary but as part of the narrative.
How is watchmen to blame most writters after that were still more influenced by the Wildstorm action driven comics? Look at Johns Justice League even the pages look out of an Authority comic: Pure cinematographic porn.
Spawn and later authority had more influence over most mainstream comics than watchmen.
Watchmen influenced Legends of the Dark Kinght, Animal Man, stuff that probably couldnt had been published by the big 2 a decade earlier. Watchmen had nothing to do with crap like this being published.
The only reason Johns is using Watchmen character is MONEY MAKING.
>>83414856
You're all Daxamites, Myxlplyx convinced you otherwise.
>>83414996
>MONEY MAKING
What is "things consumers think are bad, but in actuality are the very core of our entire society for $100"
What pisses me the most is that by shtting on Moore, Johns is also saying Morrison and Gaiman helped "ruin" comics.
>>83412792
Meh, I was bothered for the opposite reason.
Post-Crisis Clark came back because there was still a body, the "regeneration matrix" was a solar-powered defribilator.
N52 Supes is god damned ashes in a jar, what the FUCK did he think he was gonna do?
>>83414509
You don't understand. Watchmen made Johns assassinate the character of Superboy Prime.
He dindu nuffin
>>83415127
He' clearly said he's not shitting on Moore or Watchmen itself, it's more of self-assessment that "we done goofed"
You're just being obtuse at this point
>>83415127
Or that DC and it's fans are doing a bad thing by supporting "edgy" books like DKIII
>>83412597
this. I liked Rebirth, and im glad its doing well. But Rebirth #1 has been the only good thing to come out of it so far.
>>83415213
Yeah they need to support non edgy books. Also DK3 is better than anything Johns has done in the last 8 years.
>>83415212
Then why use the Watchmen characters instead of earth 4?
Is Johns some kind of slave to the executives?
>>83415213
not the main DCU so it doesn't count
Is Rebirth worth reading if you don't have nostalgia or care about the sappy concepts espoused therein?
>>83415304
Nobody cares about Earth 4
>>83415304
Because the Earth 4 characters are just New 52 Watchmen? Watchmen are DC characters, why not use them? Cause retarded man babies like yourself are butt hurt? No one cares about you.
>>83415332
Yeah. Only Superman's Rebirth was full of FEELS.
>>83415364
>Because the Earth 4 characters are just New 52 Watchmen?
So they will fit better?
If MORRISON wanted to use Watchmen characters it will be ok. The porblem is that is JOHNS using them to get clickbait articles.
>>83415434
What? You are saying you are just pissed that Johns is being a hypocrite?
Get the fuck over it. The message that the grim dark serious age should be over is a god send.
>>83415434
But neither are Moore
>>83415478
Who's the idiot that would call the current times the "grim dark serious age"?
>>83415478
>The message that the grim dark serious age should be over is a god send
It's been over since 2000.
>>83415579
but for DC it started in 2004
>>83415579
no no, it's still there, and new 52 is the ultimate expression of it. trust me it makes sense.
>>83412441
>creates the best comic DC's produced in years before facing the Zack's hell head on
Godspeed, Captain Crunch
>>83415622
What happened in 2004?
>>83415570
>>83415579
Tell that to Snyder's entire Batman run.
>>83415676
Identity Crisis
>>83415478
>The message that the grim dark serious age should be over is a god send.
It's been over for a while. The new 52 wasn't even that dark.
>>83415745
See >>83415725. Sure some stories arent but some writers still have the completely wrong idea.
>>83415725
>Batman is dark & violent
STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES
>>83415725
Snyder didn't invent edgy joker. He just made him super gay.
>>83415725
To call this entire age grim and edgy you need a bit more than a couple of poorly written books
I hope it keeps selling.
I liked it a lot, and I'm only a New 52 fag, but my friend loves it and she couldn't stand New 52 at all.
>>83415728
That's just one comic series out of thousands though.
>>83415725
It was less edgy than the Morrison's run.
>>83415773
Do you even ONeil? You can make the story dark and violent without turning Bruce into a complete sociopath.
>>83415579
Identity Crisis happened after 2000
>>83415817
Kek I can tell you didnt read Morrison's run. The entire run was about how Batman didn't need to be serious but could still be dark.
>>83415804
it affected the entire line and retconned so many characters into being mind controlled all along
>>83415820
How was Bruce a sociopath in Snyder's run?
Snyder wrote a very dark, horror-tinged run, but almost all of that was on the villain's side.
>>83415820
And? Joker murdering people left and right is fine, so is the Mad Hatter being a pedo. But the minute somebody suggests Batman isn't of the soundest mental health, you flip a tit?
>>83415860
>y-y-ou didn't read!
Yeah, the run with decapitated babies, Pyg, constant scenes of drug addicts, physical and mental torture, rape, mutilation, gore and death wasn't dark and edgy at all.
>>83415889
He isnt. At all but memes
>>83415889
He punched Dick in the mouth to knock out one of his teeth.
>>83412441
I know nobody cares about one dude's opinion, but as a huge Marvel fan, all I can say is FUCK YEAH.
Because I'm also a comic book fan, and my company preference doesn't blind me to the fact that Marvel has terrible business practices that harm the industry, and that it's creatively stagnant as all get-out. I bought Rebirth #1, and I'll buy other DC titles despite the fact I don't care much for many of the heroes involved, because I like what they're doing - respect for past continuity, appreciation of their great stories and characters and a desire to write compelling stories that fans will enjoy. Right now, Marvel does zero of those things. Even as a "new" reader, Rebirth was a compelling and exciting issue that still stayed true to its characters.
So as a true Marvel fan, I wish DC all the best, and I hope Rebirth blows Civil War II out of the water. Because one's representative of everything wrong with the industry, while the other one has talent and heart behind it.
>>83413394
Chris was a mistake. Jon has a chance to shine.
Snyder wrote a very boring Donald Trump batman.
>>83415971
Chris was best boy and the issues with him (Nightwing stuff) can be easily ignored
>>83415952
Ewing writes stories involving all those things you want "marvel fan".
>>83415952
I agree with you in spirit but buying things you don't care about is a fool's errand.
>>83416013
I liked Chris, I want him back, but you have to admit that he wasn't very fleshed out
>>83413308
Because comic fans today don't care about something like a story standing alone as it's own piece of art. Nah fuck that, the cereal king needs his toys to play with. He can't think of something original or creative So lets take something someone else came up with and jam it where it doesn't go and poof...sales.
Stories shmories? We need continuity universe objects to hit peoples nostalgia buttons and sell reprints of our crossover damnit. Nothing is jus a story now, nothi is sacred, nothing should be left alone as a work of author and artist. Only cogs in the machine now. So learn to shut up and love your manufactured event shit, it's all you'll be gettin from now on.
>>83413308
>MUH SACRED COW
Jeez, would you at least wait for the story to end before shitting all over this idea? If executed right, this would be a brilliant move on DC's part.
>>83415915
Don't forget the 10 year old trying to beat the Joker to death with a crowbar!
>>83416019
>one writer
Yes, and I buy his books. And Spencer and Robinson. And whenever PAD and Abnett write shit. They're still the absolute minority.
But please, accuse me of falseflagging because I don't subscribe to company wars and I'm capable of criticizing something I like.
>>83416036
Honestly, Rebirth got me to care at least a little. The Johnny Thunder and Wally's'death'were more emotionally significant than most of the things Marvel has done since Secret War. I'm giving them a chance - I might drop it eventually, but I like it so far and I'm willing to give them a chance.
>>83416102
Who said anything about Watchmen being sacred?
>>83416058
It's all you've been getting for the last decade retard. Don't know why you expect anything different from capeshit. And Johns is neither the first nor last to take part in it.
>>83416102
>this would be a brilliant move on DC's part
How would it be in any way brilliant?
>>83416116
Based Dami.
>>83416102
It won't though.
Of course, I wish they were doing an actual sequel to Watchmen, look at the world 20-30 years after the squid. Did the Soviet Union collapse? Commenting on Thacher's "There is No Alternative" and Fukiyama's "End of History" with the whole "Nothing ever ends" thing, etc.
There's a great book there, and it's never going to happen. If we do get an honest to god Watchmen sequel it's going to be too superheroes and not enough post-cold war
>>83416169
It'll be brilliant because it makes money. And retard modern Geoff johns fans will eat it up cos it panders to their nostalgia despite being essentially shit with a vague false meta veneer.
>>83416215
Wasn't Moore open to a sequel (penned by himself, of course) before DC pissed him off?
>>83416057
I think Busiek did a good job to flesh out the family relationship stuff; it was pretty cute. Delays fucked up whatever they had generally planned though (sounded like Chris might have ended up with the LoSH in the end) and they probably should have given him more crossovers with other characters.
>>83416215
Manhattan wouldn't return to Earth
>>83416125
The whole "Marvel does zero of those things" made me think you were slagging off every writer. How about you actually write what you mean next time.
>>83416238
There's no need for namecalling.
I agree with you, Rebirth was pretty bad, people that liked it thinks that " if stuff i like is happens it means the comic it's good". In general was as bad as Justice league 50
>>83416215
>>83416243
And if Morrison was behind that book i'm would be glad. But as a plot point on a event? And by a extremely limited guy like Johns? No thank you.
>>83416333
I dunno about Morrison. He might make it too meta.
>>83412540
Actually, that's the only thing that matters in this industry these day, sad isn't it?
I can't remember the last time comic were good.
>>83415579
DC had Identity Crisis where the League were reduced to mind wiping in fighting assholes. Sue Dibney was raped by Dr. Rape.. And then Johns had Superboy Prime be a big parody of fans saying the world was too dark, which is funny because he's apparently done a complete 180 here.
Don't forget Countdown. And Cry for Justice.
The edge got so bad that Morrison turned Final Crisis into a magick exorcism hyper sigil to try and get the edge out of the universe. Read some interviews on it, that was basically his goal.
And then Flashpoint killed everyone and replaced them with clones.
Grant came back and did Multiversity just because the Final Crisis hyper sigill apparently didn't work.
So what's this nonsense about the grim dark age being over sense 2000?
Hell, over in Marvel Hickman had the Avengers murderfuck several alternate Earths, then the multiverse dies while the heroes are reduced to bickering in fighting children, Dr. Doom saving everything (through giga murder, of both gods and universes), and now we have Civil War II electric boogaloo.
The ONLY comic book universe that hasn't had its head up its own grim dark ass sense 2000 has been Marvel's Cinematic Universe. The DC one on the other hand drips with grim dark.
So again, what the hell are you talking about?
>>83416116
>Don't forget the 10 year old trying to beat the Joker to death with a crowbar!
Dami is cool.
>>83415570
Hickman Avengers was Bokurano with Super heroes. It's hard to be edgier than that.
And pre-Nu DC dripped with edge due to Identity Crisis, and it only got worse over time in Nu. Their movie universe is also grim derp.
So yeah, times are dark. Only big "event" we've had that wasn't grim dark was multiversity and surprise surprise it didn't involve Earth-0 at all.
>>83412588
(I decided to not get Green Arrow thinking it'll be tumblr shit, I was horribly wrong and now I regret it)
Seriously?
>>83416609
None of the stuff you listed was grimdark, just kinda dark.
>>83416709
>I have never read Green Arrow
>>83416709
>>83412588
>(I decided to not get Green Arrow thinking it'll be tumblr shit, I was horribly wrong and now I regret it)
>>83416125
Compare Wally to She-Hulk in Civil War II
DC is dominating Marvel with rebirth so hard right now.
>>83416709
Have you read a single Green Arrow comic in your life?
>>83416755
>I decided not get Green Arrow thinking it'll be tumblr shit
>I was horribly wrong and now I regret it
>>83412604
nah, we're like some hybrid monstrosity of the worst parts of /v/ and /tv/. Might as well just start calling ourselfs /tvv/ - capeshit company wars and capeshit movie/tv discussion
>>83416733
>Hickman Avengers
>Strange rapes the Justice League to death with Cthulhu after selling his soul. Wong disowns him afterwards.
>Not Superman gets to watch Namor kill his Earth with a bomb
>BP and Namor at war with each other.
>Tony and Cap's last moment is fighting each other while a helicarriar from Ultimates crashes on them as it Civil War was their defining character piece.
>The entire multiverse dying while the heroes can only engage in helpless triage.
What does it take to be grimdark anon?
>>83416872
Grimdark is shit like Warhammer, where millions of people are ground to dust for absolutely nothing.
People dying untimely deaths, rape, murder, mass killings and petty squabbles between the "good guys" is just stuff that happens everyday.
>>83413308
I really hope it isn't going to be a cavalcade of them. Dr. Manhattan, sure, he's basically God, but why drudge up anyone else from the book? Their story is anchored deeply in the Cold War paranoia that hasn't been a thing since the fall of the Soviet Union. It'd be as dumb as making the Dark Knight Returns canon.
>>83416838
>I have really, really never read Green Arrow
>>83416986
>I decided not get Green Arrow thinking it'll be tumblr shit
>I was horribly wrong and now I regret it
>>83416927
He believes violence means grim dark
>>83416148
This guy>>83416058
Even if DC had decided to include watchmen into the main continuity for the sake of it, they would have been on the right. The characters belong to them and anyone who believes that a particular writer or story should get special treatment deserves to have their special snowflake complex smashed by the big bad industry. Luckily for us, the inclusion of watchmen is justmetacommentary that shows Johns grasp on the contrasting ideas of watchmen and Rebirth. If executed properly it could be brilliant, and there would be no need of disrespecting Moore's work
>>83414533
Nah it was the tripfags shitting up threads with their presence and making console war movie threads.
>>83412540
The only Rebirth title that was "meh" was Green Lanterns. And that's only because half-way through it became the Hal Jordan show.
The rest were good (Batman) to fantastic (Superman, Green Arrow).
>>83412441
>company wars in the OP
>>83415280
None of that stuff is rebirth.
I think everything has been at least ok so far. Superman Rebirth kind of wasn't what everyone was looking for in the book but it was at least a decent little epilogue to Nuperman.
>all this dick swinging over who's better
Just because you all are manchildren, you sure as shit don't have to act like it. I mean Jesus
>>83417241
Moore is better than Johns, how is that even a question?
>Morrison tried all these years to kill Moore
>Johns comes out of nowhere and does it himself
>>83417392
Can someone explain this British rivalry to me? Does Morrison just dislike Moore's attitude or something or does he have problems with his works?
>>83417392
>out of nowhere
He and Morrison have been plotting together for years
>>83417467
When Morrison was an up-and-coming youngster trying to cultivate a punk image, he took some shots at Moore. Moore (understandably) hasn't forgiven him yet
Does DC finally got some appreciation? I thought Rebirth gonna be crushed by all this CAP IS NAZI NOW)) shit and CW2 shit. Nice to see that people still buy good comics nowdays.
>>83417321
Moore's never wrote anything good in his life though.
>>83417583
People have been sucking Geoff dick as a genius pipe for a week because of this. What more do you need?
>>83417583
The Cap #1 thing was never going to mean big sales outside of it being a #1. Preorders were in way before it leaked. Normie anger doesn't mean anything.
>>83417595
Moore at his worst is better than johns at his best quite honestly. Geoff is just ot in the same calibur. He doesn't work in ideas, just nostalgia.
>>83417595
You for real holmes?
>>83415332
only green arrow has been good so far.
>>83417595
being a Johnsfag is a mental illness.
>>83417721
Superman was great, GL was good too
Surprisingly Batman is the worst of the bunch by far, but still decent
I like the works of Geoff Johns, Grant Morrison, and Alan Moore.
I also am enjoying Rebirth so far (GL best special so far) and its success continues.
>>83417961
same
>>83417117
>>83412689
Why is everyone sucking Percy's cock?
I mean it wasn't bad by any long shot, but "excellent" is a stretch. Are we that far gone that any decent effort is labeled a masterpiece? Is that truly how bad Marvel has become and the New 52 was?
I mean I liked it enough to put it on my pull list, but damn.
>>83417961
This nigga gets it.
>>83418014
because his voice is sexy
>>83417961
Sorry I meant GA Green Arrow
>>83417841
superman was pretty boring. did anyone need the death of superman retold?
not to mention the dialogue was bad.
>>83417961
I like you.
>>83414311
Are these low scores for comics?
It's hilarious to me how DC constantly shat on Wally and pretended he wasn't important at all for years.
Now the joke's on you Didio.
>>83414304
>>83418177
the 7s are kind of low, about average for something readable though
>>83414765
He didn't cause New 52. Flashpoint was supposed
to be a regular Flash story till Didio and Lee got involved.
Hol up, theykilled negroWally?
Btw, event comics are shit so I already know an event centered around bringing watchmen into the dcu and retconning new 52 stuff written by Geoff Johns of all people to be garbage no matter what the fanboys say.
>>83412604
The movies opened the floodgate of casuals. Now it's just shitposting and people thinking they're an expert on a character they saw in a couple of movies.
>>83418594
No, why did you think he would be killed?
>>83418741
Someone mentioned wally along with she hulk in civil war so I thought he got killed which would disappoint me if they took that route.
>>83418817
Well no, he's fine. The Wallys will coexist as cousins.
>>83415948
Because he was tortured to his mental and physical brink, deprived up sleep food and water for a week.
>>83418014
Cause it's the Green Arrow and Black Canary we know and love and the story fit them, plus it was a perfect one issue that had a lot going on. It set up some stuff but didn't overly do it like the others, it was intro-action-character moments-ending. No fucking around. Plus the art was fantastic
>>83419094
So yeah, everyone's overreacting to OlliexDinah.
>>83417961
This.
>/co/ sucks DC's dick while everyone hates New 52
>instantly turns on DC once they're popular again
The fault lies with me for being surprised, really.
>>83417961
Ditto
>>83419473
Not me. Never been particularly huge on green arrow and only read his solo shit.
I just thought this was a kick ass standalone issue. Makes me think of those six Ellis moon knight issues.
Though nowhere near as fucking good as those...not even making that claim.
