>B-b-but comics starring minority characters just don't sell!
>>83325327
>Gwenpool
>100k
Holy shit, what?
here we fucking go, 300+ replies of autists baiting each other
remember kids you need to be an edgy racist in order to fit in on this anonymous website!
>OP thinks sales have to do with what the main character of a book is
lmao
>>83325347
variants my man
>>83325327
Point to me somebody who ever fucking said that ever you coward piece of shit
>>83325327
they don't.
>>83325374
>remember kids you need to be a smug cunt in order to fit in on this anonymous website!
FTFY
>>83325327
>Black Panther beats the Master Race.
>>83325466
Well, the OP just said that, for one.
>>83325327
That's cool and all, but the sales will drop like rock in the next few issues.
>>83325327
is the first number, it will sell 30k in the future because nobody gives a fuck about that gary stu
Jesus, 250k for the top selling book? The industry is truly dying.
>>83325327
nigger might be a minority, but they are the biggest minority reading comics in the US, anon. I can believe them driving the sales of Black Panther, easily.
Now, comics depicting other minorities are a different thing, especially the (very divided) LGBTWTFBBQ community, or the carebear tumblrinas.
I assume this is some sort of "Fucking White Male" meta-contextual thing? Like how people who Feel the Bern or want to Make America Great Again are white males, even when they're not? Does this make Red Wolf and The Movement white male-led books retroactively?
>>83325564
30k isn't bad. That's where most characters settle in.
>>83325564
>it will sell 30k in the future
That's still pretty strong, most books hover around the 20,000 mark.
>>83325347
I'm earnestly happy for Christopher Hastings and Gurihiru. They deserve success.
>#1
>Was just featured in a major movie
If he's even half at that by issue 6 I'll be amazed.
>>83325687
Nah most do around 30k. 20k is near death
>>83325327
You do know that the only reason that Black Panther got 250k is because LootCrate is bought a fuckton to include in an upcoming crate, right? Y'know, the same thing that happened with the Rocket Raccoon series that was released a few years back
>>83325564
Not if they have him put the Surfer in a chickenwing again. Hell, just have him put cosmic characters in holds every other issue, it'll sell.
>ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
>>83325687
>>83325748
20k is more like bare minimum. Used to be cancellation level a couple of years back but things have gotten worse.
>>83325494
Well one is a solid and well written and made comic.
The other is the Master Race.
>>83325789
But the Surfer was letting him, you see! To get information out of him... What do you mean the Surfer can read minds?
>>83325327
>no asian super heroes at all
>a BLM comic makes #1
>>83325786
That just means 250k people buy lootcrate, and that's really the bad scenario here.
>>83325327
>Black Panther - minority book
>Gwenpool - quirky female led book
>Both killed it on sales
Now that we know those kind of books can sell a lot, what's the excuse for the Hellcats, the Squirrelgirls, the Angelas?
>>83325327
Black Panther #1 is just marketing done right, timing the release of a new ongoing to go with the interest from his big screen appearance. Seeing a #1 is far less daunting than seeing a #19.
Honestly the only one on that list that can be called surprising for being so high is Gwenpool.
>>83325327
>B-b-but comics starring minority characters just don't sell!
Said no one ever.
>>83325873
But what about the Totally Relevant Korean Hulk?
>>83325563
True, but 250k is a long fall. Even the big team books of the last few years haven't managed that. For BP it's huge; I think a couple of his recent runs have debuted at 40k.
>>83325327
Then why dident demon knights sell anon why was it a flop
Oh right because dc had to much integrity to sell it on the minority's these people don't care about minority's just about company's bending to them.
Why does DC even try? No book with no Batman sells.
>>83325814
>tfw X-Factor sat on 20k sales for years until Marvel decided to relaunch it
Those fuckers killed the best book they were publishing
>>83325927
/Pol/ says that all the time but /pol/ is usually wrong.
>>83325955
Well, his other runs didn't accompany a gigantic blockbuster that pulled on every stop to make him look like the coolest, nor had an influential "real" author and journalist writing it.
>>83325964
Oh wait I'm retarded your talking about black panther
That's movies making him popular.
>>83325327
>>83325347
>Judging success based on how well a #1 sells
You both should know better.
>>83325955
You're forgetting how much Marvel advertised the shit out of it. Anyone know the variant orders for this? Cause outside of Lootcrate I imagine they were retarded too.
>>83325931
was itgood?
>>83325327
People are interested after Civil War. Not shocking.
>>83325327
Since when is Black Panther a minority character?
>>83326067
That's not how Diamond orders work
>>83325873
Silk, Chulk, Iso all feature in books right now.
Their own, even.
And wasn't that witch girl in A-Force Japanese?
>>83326042
VARIANT COVER BY ALEX ROSS
VARIANT COVER BY OLIVIER COIPEL
HIP-HOP VARIANT COVER BY BRIAN STELFREEZE
CONNECTING VARIANT COVER A BY SANFORD GREENE
DESIGN VARIANT COVER BY BRIAN STELFREEZE
BLACK PANTHER 50TH ANNIVERSARY VARIANT COVER BY FELIPE SMITH
VARIANT COVER BY RYAN SOOK
YOUNG VARIANT COVER BY SKOTTIE YOUNG
GAME VARIANT COVER BY KABAM
BLANK COVER ALSO AVAILABLE
I don't know the order ratios though
>>83325327
>First issue
>highly promoted comic
>lots of attention from the mainstream press
>Loot Crate orders
>8 variant covers
Let's see how that looks by issue 5 or 10.
>>83325327
They just needed to see how awesome Black Panther is. A lot of people probably didn't even know that Marvel had an african superhero until they saw Civil War.
>>83325327
And my fave character is on that list three times.
It's good to be a Batfag
>>83326081
he means shops ordered in anticipation for people being interested due to Civil War
but it's really just the variants
>>83326056
It's pretty great.
>>83325327
>only one comic in the top 15 isn't marvel or dc
topkek
>>83325786
Pushing them on Loot Crate and adding a ton of variants is what Marvel does to insure first issues get a shitload of orders. Marvel's incredibly short-sighted and doesn't care about actually growing or maintaing sales past the first issue.
>>83326153
And it's only there because of it's crummy TV show. State of this industry.
>>83326104
Comichron marks if it's a loot crate book, did they fuck up this month?
>>83325877
Nah probably more like 100,000 or so.
The others are your general sales for a new number one. Panther was a great book though. It deserves the sales.
>>83325927
We say it all the time you faggot don't try to back out on it now. There is no way you haven't seen it here either.
Comics starring female and minority characters overall statistically sell worse than comics with white males. That's a nearly indisputable fact. You have your outlier titles that pop up from time to time but on a general scale the "minority" lead titles lead the bottom of the pack and are almost always the first to get cancelled. And hey that's shitty but it's the general truth.
>>83325327
Maybe Poe Dameron counts, but the rest of that list is white leads and a robot/droid.
Then there's the fact that they're both 1st issues which in general sell better. So in comparison to other 1st issue releases it seems more accurate to say minority male characters are clearly preferred over white females and a droid.
>>83325564
>gary stu
>>83326056
It was good for anons' dicksAnd it's generallyfun, with a few blind spots here and there.
>>83325327
Willing to bet you $300,000 the next issue isn't in the top 10
>>83325873
what the hell is that picture?
>>83326153
That's because faggots can't get into good companies likeValiantor indieshit
What the fuck? Why are people buying a Poe Dameron comic?
>>83326487
it appears to be a cucumber with a condom on it, shoved up a pigeon's ass.
>>83325821
Both are absolute shit.
>>83325909
b-b-but muh right side of history
>>83326508
Isn't that the story of what happened to him between crashing on the desert and saving the day later on? It's a huge chunk of movie DLC.
>>83326479
Who would take that bet? Top 10 will already have Rebirth, Civil War 2 #0, Batman, Cap #1, Star Wars, Justice League at least in some order.
>>83326508
Well who doesn't love Poe Dameron?
>>83326067
It's not even BPs movie. Granted he does have the only complete character arc of the main cast, but still.
>>83325327
the argument is that diversity driven books don't sell well
Black Panther isn't a diversity book. It's not very diverse.
Also anything that predates the civil rights movement generally gets a pass.
>>83326508
Because they thought there was gonna be a threesome.
>>83326668
Well, based on how well the Poe figurines sold for Disney Infinity or how he's nowhere to be found on most merchandise, not too many people.
>>83326508
It says Star Wars before Poe Dameron
How the fuck did 3PO get that high?
>>83326875
Star Wars. How have you not noticed Star Wars is the only thing that sells now?
>>83325897
>what's the excuse for the Hellcats, the Squirrelgirls, the Angelas?
The difference is that Gwenpool and Black Panther are good. Hellcat, Squirrel Girl and Angela are hot fucking garbage.
IS A FUCKING NUMBER 1 OF A CHARACTER THAT DEBUTED RECRNTLY IN A MOVIE FOR GOD SAKE, WE HAVE BEEN OVER THIS ALREADY.
>>83325347
YES IT SOLD 100K FOR HAVING THE DEADPOOL AND GWEN STACY PART AND BECAUSE IS ALSO A #1 JIIIIZZ
>>83326907
Well, that and T'Challa, apparently.
>>83327006
>all those caps when you're not even saying anything that hasn't already been said in the thread
lol
>>83327016
T'Challa's high sales are due to LootCrate.
I know it looks nice and pretty but LootCrate boosted the sales.
>>83327006
I don't remember Ant Man selling like that when his book had relaunch around the movie.
>>83327081
check the sales for issue 5 or 6, it sold 60k before that it was doing only 20k
>>83327081
He didn't have a relaunch around the movie. In fact, I'm pretty certain the only Ant-Man issue that came out that month was the Secret Wars tie-in since the release schedule had been dicked due to the delays
>>83327081
95- ASTONISHING ANT-MAN
01/15 Ant-Man #1 – 73,370
02/15 Ant-Man #2 – 40,192 (-45.2%)
03/15 Ant-Man #3 – 37,139 (- 7.6%)
04/15 Ant-Man #4 – 31,637 (-14.8%)
05/15 Ant-Man #5 – 83,095 (+162.7%)
06/15 Ant-Man Larger than Life #1- 28,797
07/15 Ant-Man Annual #1 – 24,223
08/15 Ant-Man Last Days - 35,594 (-57.2%)
09/15 ---
10/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #1 - 75,598
11/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #2 - 31,358 (-58.5%)
12/15 Astonishing Ant-Man #3 - 27,913 (-11.0%)
01/16 Astonishing Ant-Man #4 - 25,768 (- 7.7%)
02/16 Astonishing Ant-Man #5 - 22,168 (-14.0%)
03/16 Astonishing Ant-Man #6 - 20,375 (- 8.1%)
Since issue#2 : - 35.0%
Average +% TPB sales #1-5 : +11.0%
ANT-MAN TPB VOL.1: 4,406
>>83327165
Didn't the movie come out in August? The fuck caused the sales spike in May?
>>83327219
the comicsbeat commentary for that month says
>There is probably a special retailer deal behind this explosion in sales because, even taking the movie release into account, you can’t expect to lure so many people into reading the floppy final part of an arc!
>>83325327
>lootcrate
seriously though you're ignoring that sjw organizations buy the comics with minorities just to get them high on the sales charts
>>83326435
He is african Batman/Doom
>>83327493
Lol this guy
>>83327165
You know, I need to stop looking at these sales figures, because they just depress me.
>>83327493
>sjw organizations
List them
>>83325327
Movie hype and variants out of the ass. We ordered a lot of Panther books and didn't even sell half. It will drop to 60,000 by #2
>>83327620
boards.4chan.org/co/
why on earth would anyone pay 5 dollars for a fucking comic book.
>>83325987
Because Batman at #50 still sells over 100,000 and Marvel only has Star Wars and 1's to match it.
>>83327566
>Vision not even at 20k
Why do people hate good books?
>>83325327
>Spider-Man sells that low
Him at Batman should be at the same level. What the fuck happened?
>>83327813
Slott
>>83327705
They take the Win-O downloads into account? Or just the leaks?
>>83327810
You know for something to be a beloved success we have to hate it.
>>83327777
checked
>>83325786
This
/co/ doesn't remember when fucking Orphan Black, ORPHAN FUCKING BLACK "sold" 497,002 thanks to loot crate and then dropped to 10,000 at issue 2
>>83325347
It's fun
>>83327912
Wasn't it also the reason Star Wars number 1 sold a million copies?
>>83325327
>black panther #1
hell yeah nigga
WE WUZ TOP SELLERZ AND SHEEIT
So is their any point to this thread other then shitposting?
>>83327772
Cuc-I mean, buyfags work in mysterious ways
>>83327493
>sjw organizations buy the comics with minorities just to get them high on the sales charts
I don't think you understand how Diamond sales charts work, anon.
>>83325327
high profile movie appear + high profile writer = sales
>>83327810
>I bought gwenpool and harley because of the covers
>pirated the vision because I didn't want to look gay
That's how a patrician rolls
>>83327035
FUCK YOU WITH YOUR LOLS
>>83327810
Why would anyone buy discount Martian Manhunter?
>>83327912
I remember that. I even vaguely remember the shitposting about it
But moreso I ask why anyone would sign up for a service like lootcrate in the first place. Sign up for a service that gives you random "geek" "swag" where you may not get anything decent and just serves as another avenue of advertising shit no one cares about? SIGN ME UP AMIRIGHT!?!?!
>>83325327
>Movie comes out with character in it that normies go see
>Surprised when characters book gets a peak raise during that time
Nigga Rocket Racoons book got a boost for the first time in 4 decades due to some movie
Just chill
>>83325327
But everyone in Africa is black. He is not a minority.
>>83328071
He's discount Red Tornado. Get it right.
>>83325821
kys man
>>83328133
I don't know, people pretend Vision is important, just like MM, but no one gives a fuck about RT.
The gwenpool numbers are the only astonishing thing here. I'll be impressed if black panther's second issue does even 70K.
>>83327968
Not sure. Star Wars was in full hype at the time and still sells well so it may have been legit
>>83328295
Star Wars continues to sell well on its own but its first issue also had literally a hundred variants so there's that.
>>83328265
Red Tornado debuted two months before Vision. The two end up having the same exact initial character arc.
It was most likely not done on purpose of course given how much time it takes to make a comic.
>>83325327
>>B-b-but comics starring minority characters just don't sell!
They don't.
Marvel sold a shit ton of variant covers for their Star Wars stuff, and wouldn't let you ORDER those variant covers unless you placed a large order for Black Panther. Now we're stuck with stacks of Black Panther #1 and they've already announced they're going to be rebooting soon.
>>83327813
Slott has been thoroughly raping him for years.
>>83328295
Star Was certainly sells well on it's own, a million just seems like a very large number for this industry.
Looking it up Star Wars number 1 was indeed included in LootCrate. Had a neat Han and Chewy variant.
>>83328276
It's not to surprising. Variants my man. They are a fucking cancer. DC has distanced themselves from them now with Rebirth because they know where it leads. But they have been guilty of it in the past. Master Race 1 had a 5000:1 variant by Jim Lee
>>83328413
You sound like a retailer. You wanna vent? I'd love to hear more.
adding shit to the pot
>number one sold 253.259 copies
>it costs $4,99
>it made $1.263.762
Holy fuck, I thought the comic buisiness was making a fuckload a cash, no wonder why comic books are turning into advertising for movies now, they are barely selling.
>>83328432
>>83328338
With that many variants and loot crate involved I'm surprised it didn't sell more
>>83325327
It's because mother fuckers want Black Panther to be good and successful. Not just blacks or strong lefties, EVERYONE. He's a really REALLY good concept. Very rarely do you see sci-fi fantasy in African countries, even though have strong myths and interesting concepts for fictional stories. However finding someone who can write him and Wakanda good is very hard, despite it being done before.
I haven't read this book though, I don't know if it's good or not.
But there's so much Panther lore writers haven't touched on yet
Including:
>Other tribes outside the Panther clan
>The past Panthers
>The Panther God
>Shuri (And I mean give her a good story and a more developed personality)
The past Panthers is the one i'd like to see most. You can give them their on personality and background and people would just love it.
>>83328490
>facts and figures
DELETE THIS
>>83328494
Where you been, bub?
>>83328413
Have you guys started to push DC like we have? If Rebirth doesn't take off I think we don't have much longer to stay open
>>83328494
>>number one sold 253.259 copies
Those aren't actual sale numbers, they're just representative of sales, Diamond doesn't want to give away the exact number of profits.
>>83328568
Yeah.
We do a lot of manga/anime too, but you can get all this stuff for free on the internet.
>>83326112
I wish someone would story time ASBatman every day.
>>83328432
that's a cool cover.
>>83328494
What the fuck are you talking about.
Did you fail basic math and not know what a comma is for?
It sold 253,259 copies with means it made $1,263,762
>>83328568
Let me know if you have any sweet going out of business sales
>>83325786
Diamond stopped counting loot crate
>>83325327
Was the issue any good?
Black Panther as a concept is a good idea done wrong so many times in the pass.
>>83328438
Is this where all the cheap copies of the normal stuff come from on ebay and whatnot? Stores that just ordered ten billion copies to get some variant they could sell for loads of money and decided to just offload the rest online?
>>83328783
Lots of people like it. I find it boring myself
>>83328783
It was shit.But saying so around these parts gets people mad
>>83327076
Why are so many people saying this in this thread when it was clearly not in any lootcrate
>People will pay hundreds of dollars for a comic just because it has a different cover and artificial rarity
Just fuck my industry up
>>83328783
#1 had interesting stuff, #2 had less interesting stuff, it's not trash but it's not good either. Trade wait like any sane human bean.
>>83328568
I hope you don't go out of business.
Is Marvel really killing you guys that badly?
>>83328783
It's not very exciting. I don't know if it's 2deep4me or if it's just a decompressed mess, but I can't say it's holding my interest.
>>83325424
Variants haven't been driving sales in a while, pal, it's not the 90's. Variants are maybe 10K of all sales, tops.
Real answer? Over the course of 2015, nerd girls started taking deeper interest in comics in general, becoming a new demographic - usually buying stuff like cartoon tie-is, Saga or Lumberjanes - but Marvel decided to tap into the market with Unbeatable Squirrel Girl (which isn't GOOD, but it's female oriented) and Spider-Gwen.
So, we've got two crossing over concepts - new nerd girls who are excited about Spider-Gwen 2.0, Deadpool fans who will buy anything that has "pool" in the titile, and old nerd girls who are excited that one of the first "fridges", Gwen Stacy, is a character again.
(BTW, I'm not saying Marvel is brilliant or something - DC tapped into this market first with new Batgirl and Gotham Academy, and later with Harley Quinn).
Same fangirls, combined with Star Wars nerds, are also reason for success of Poe Dameron comic.
It's not variants - market is changing. I'd say for the better - yes, for now most of the "nerd girl comics" are webcomic-tier utter shite which only sells because it's aimed at a demographic that thinks Homestuck is a well written work of art, but over time once new demo will get savvy and stop buying shit, there will be need for GOOD comics targeted at girls - and bigger diversity in targets and stories is pretty much almost always better for a genre (see: how much comics improved in quality after they stopped being just for kids).
How many unsold issues of Black Panther have you seen at comic shops?
>>83325466
I've seen that said a decent amount by dickheads on this board. It's a pretty common go-to argument about why there isn't more representation in comics.
>>83328494
>I thought the comic buisiness was making a fuckload a cash
Haha what? Why the fuck did you think that? The comic industry is a tiny fucking niche. This is an industry where 1k consistent extra sales each month can be the difference between cancellation and a decent length run.
>>83329054
>see: how much comics improved in quality after they stopped being just for kids
Someone fucking wrote this
>>83329059
It sold out at my shop. They only have the shitty skottie young variants left
>>83325494
BP is a launch, pal. Master Race is kind of overshadoweed since DC is doing Rebirth.
... Plus let's be honest, aside from name recognition and most likely being the last thing Miller will do in his life, it's not that spectacular. It's better than Bad Miller (DK2, ASBAR, Holy Terror) but worse than Good Miller (DKR, Year One) - it's kind of okay.
While Black Panther is one of the biggest Marvel heroes that for some reason never really got pushed hard by the company - until now, because he has got a movie coming, so all black nerds feel that it is their holy duty to buy this comic.
As for quality - eh, they're both okay.
>>83329137
I'm still not sure if the whole thing is bait or not. It certainly reads like it
>>83329054
Kek, not true at all. Variants prop up sales like mad. 10K sales on a single popular Marvel book maybe. Look at March (I think it was March)'s Women of Power variants and the boost it gave every participating book. There were other factors at play - tie-ins, new story arcs, other variants, etc. - but it gives you a rough idea of how Marvel uses variants to prop up sales.
>>83325579
... Are you time traveller from 1994? Pal, since 90's crash 100K tops was the norm (and it was usually Batman - except for first couple years when it was X-Men).
How much did you THINK comics are selling?
For the record, situation is probably better than this, since those are just comic shop sales - so it doesn't include digital copies, which are on the rise and like 20% of the market now, or something like that.
>>83329144
Which really brings up a good question: who in the fuck buys a skottie young variant anyway?
I don't even like his variants being bonus material in my trades.
>>83329255
>digital sales
>on the rise
HA, even the publishers stopped trying to use that excuse
>>83329305
The real market growth is in trades now.
Which funny enough LCS have a problem selling.
>>83329358
Because Marvel trades are shabby and overpriced. People buying them from bookshops don't know any better
>>83328506
>Other tribes outside the Panther clan
Did you never read Priest run?
>>83329255
>and like 20% of the market now,
More like 2 %
>>83325786
>>83327912
>>83325877
Except not, because I know Comichron marks sales boosted by LootCrate/other bundle sales as such - so these sales aren't LootCrate or they would be marked. If they counted them, it would have a cross mark next to the title, because they always did so in the past.
>>83328772
I didn't know that, but that confirms what I was saying. So yeah, LootCrate doesn't count.
>>83329358
Maybe if they didn't sell them at MSRP since literally nowhere else does that. I mean even at Barnes and Noble type chains you probably have the membership discount and/or coupons to bring the price to an almost reasonable level, not even getting into the incredible discounts at IST et al that sell trades at an acceptable rate.
>>83327499
But the last time he was against Doom he got his shit pushed in.
>>83325327
>estimated sales
>>83327970
I thought the we wuz joke was to say things that aren't true
So many image comics sell like 10,000 copies. So few people read the stuff at the bottom of these lists it's sad
>>83325327
the sad thing is this will be used as a sort of benchmark when every other company out there has minority led books but it only mateers when it's Marvel thanks to their godly PR
>>83326508
Poe was the only good part about TFA and should be the main character of the next movies and all spinoff material.
>>83329054
Gwenpool #1 had ten fucking variant covers and most of those books that you mentioned (especially Squirrel Girl) sell like shit. Of the "targeted towards fangirl" comics Marvel's doing, the only one that's selling respectably is Spider-Gwen where it's usually doing around the 43-45k range although #7 did 60k due to being part of a crossover which is usually a sales boost to comics.
But the fangirl comics don't sell because those types of "fans" are more fans of the movies or fans of pin-up pieces or cosplaying and couldn't give less of a shit about the comics themselves despite how much noise they make and how much they whine.
>>83329853
That's because there's no reason to buy Image floppies. The trades come out right after an arc ends, so you may as well just tradewait.
>>83329255
Just looking at the comichron sales charts, I'd argue the market is doing better than it was, say, 5 or 6 years ago, about on par with what it was around 10 years ago and somewhat better than it was 12-15 years ago.
>>83326056
Cho hulk is not as good as cho herc, but still pretty good.
>>83328783
>>83326328
I didn't like panther. The art doesn't fit the feel, and the writing is too fucking stiff. We'll see if the author can pull his shit together by the end of the first trade though. And at least hes not Hudlin.
The author is controversial, and very hot with the far left. I imagine that helps sell shit as well. He's naturally a long form writer. Even his newspaper stuff is broken up over multiple issues.
>>83329059
There was a big ass stack of them at mine.
>>83325327
>Established respected character who has always been black
>Comparable to race/gender/sexuality shock swaps of late
>Of which none are on that list
Nice strawman OP
Now lets make him the white panther and switch him to a white guy and see how it goes.
>>83325327
What website is this?
>>83325327
An african in africa is not a minority.
>>83325347
Gwen Stacy + Deadpool + #1 = sales
>all those batman and harley titles keeping DC afloat
literally just kill DC already
>>83326088
you cant fight bs with facts
>>83328413
>Marvel sold a shit ton of variant covers for their Star Wars stuff, and wouldn't let you ORDER those variant covers unless you placed a large order for Black Panther.
Huh.
>>83328789
YES
Also check bargain bins.
>>83326508
>Not wanting to read a comic focusing on best boy.
I want Rey fans to leave.
>>83328413
Which of these variants in April was it? Or was it for a different month?
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (Blank Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (David Nakayama Jaxxon Party Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (David Nakayama Jaxxon Sketch Party Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (Joe Quinones BB-8 Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (John Cassaday Sketch Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (John Cassaday Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (John Tyler Christopher Action Figure Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (Movie Photo Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (Phil Noto Design Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (Phil Noto Regular Cover), $4.99
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (Phil Noto Sketch Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Poe Dameron #1 (Premiere Variant Cover), AR
Star Wars Vader Down #1 (Dave Dorman M&M Comics Variant Cover)(Dynamic Forces), AR
>>83336502
Nigger, Batman is keeping comic books alive.
Multiple Batman books are in the top 10 consistently from #1 to #52, he's the only cape actually making money on comic books and not just printing shit as a charade to keep IPs to sell merchandise off.
>>83325327
>they are all #1
Holy shit, when will this bubble finally explode?
>>83325327
>the #1 of a character from a recent movie sells well
Gee what a surprise.
>>83325327
>Invader ZIM never cracks the top 10
It is literally the funniest comic on the market right now.
>named after black supremacist movement
>wonder why it sells so well to liberal numales
>>83325327
>issue #1
>most expensive ad campaign for a comic ever
it's like being surprised that CoD makes money.
I am pretty excited for the quickest drop-off in readership in Marvel history, though.
>>83336502
>DC keeps comics alive
>Marvel tries to kill them again
pottery
>>83328413
Holy shit
>>83325327
>Spidey sales less than Gwenfuckingpoole and MemeQuinn.
The fuck just happen?
>>83329169
>ASBAR
>bad
Lol
>>83340630
Spiderman sucks
>>83325926
Gwenpool movie when?
>>83325327
So... a character in a recent popular movie is selling well?
>>83342711
Because his book is in a lootcrate and has 15 Star Wars variants attached to it.
>>83325327
but black panther isn't a minority
he comes from a country of black people
he is also literally a white character painted black, he doesn't know persecution and lack of privilege like a real minority
>>83328728
No, that means that retailers ordered 253,259 issues of Black Panther #1.
Retailers don't pay cover price for comics they order.
And Diamond takes what, 30-35% off the money from sales to retailers.
So Marvel made nowhere near 1,263,762$ off Black Pather #1.
didn't the marysue write an article on how it isn't the consumers fault that they aren't buying diversity books
>>83325327
>#1 issue
>featured in a major film
>heavily promoted
>part of a loot crate kit
Shit, add all that to the flash in a pan fire of a social justice gimmick and I'm surprised the numbers are that low.
>>83343914
Don't forget being attached to 15 Star Wars variants.
>>83328413
>>83325327
Minorities don't sell, good stories do.
The push for minorities is political.
>>83344185
>good stories
>selling
>>83344185
people don't buy good stories though
>>83325374
I guess it truly is inconceivable that an earnest and fruitful conversation could come about, is what I'd say if I needed to tell myself such things to keep erect the psychic barrier that protects my ego against the incursions of a reality that doesn't place me in a pedestal.
>>83325347
It's a funny read with engaging art. Why is this a surprise?
>>83344565
Nobody characters don't generally sell, nor does meta stuff. Pretty much as soon as it was announced it seemed like a stealth mini. 100k is genuinely impressive even with variants. I expected like 60k max.
>DC still can't move anything not Bat-centric
Why not just brand change again? Call it Batman Comics.
>>83325747
Batman vs Superman where featured as main characters just a month ago and you don't see the Master Race pulling those sales.
>>83342875
He wasn't in any lootcrate it's been said like 15 times in thread
>>83344649
Master Race also has a steady reader base though. Anyone who thinks BP #2 will still be over 100K is fooling themselves.
>>83344185
>Minorities don't sell, good stories do.
261 Sheriff of Babylon 5 $3.99 DC 5,810
>>83325347
meme sales.
Rocket Memecoon #1 also sold 100k when it came out.
and then...
>>83329169
>ASBAR and DK2
>bad
looks like you need to take your autism pills, boy
>>83344644
>Harley Quinn is Bat-centric even if Batman hasn't appeared in a single issue of the comics
>>83344644
That would be completely unnecessary. Why do you think they're called Detective Comics, m8?
>>83325327
>number one
>written by a famous author
Let's see the number 2 sales mate
>>83345395
But he has though.
>>83329054
>Variants haven't been driving sales in a while, pal, it's not the 90's. Variants are maybe 10K of all sales, tops.
Pfffft look at this delusional idiot and laugh
Marvel is reoeating the moves that crashed the industry from the 90s
>>83342904
black is still a minority when compared to the rest of the world
just like how an asian is still a minority even when surrounded by asians in china the land of the asians
>>83345448
*in more than a single
>>83329054
>Variants haven't been driving sales in a while, pal, it's not the 90's. Variants are maybe 10K of all sales, tops.
The companies generally have a quota where you can't order certain comics or variants people want unless you order certain other comics or variants people don't want.
So whether it's intentional or not, variants do drive sales.
>>83329054
>Variants haven't been driving sales in a while, pal, it's not the 90's. Variants are maybe 10K of all sales, tops.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
>>83325327
once the buyers discover that it has "well diversified characters", #2 sales will drop instantly
>>83325327
>>B-b-but comics starring minority characters just don't sell!
Except no one said that ever.
Books made to please minorities doesn't sell, which is a complete different thing.
A good book or a fun book will sell, regardless of who is the character, a man, a woman, black, gay, doesn't matter because the book is fun or good.
If you on the other hand make something just to spill some SJW lines or say "look he is black" to try to pleases a particular sector but that has no sustance, that book won't sall. Because is a black guy or a gay? NO, because is a bad book with no substance.
>>83344185
>Minorities don't sell, good stories do.
>good stories do
If only.
>>83345817
>A good book or a fun book will sell
lol
>>83344185
>good stories do
No they don't. In fact, more often than not, the relationship between sales and story quality is the inverse. The better the comic, the worse it'll sell. Not the other way around.
Omega Men was the best comic DC has put out in years, yet it was one of their lowest selling. The Vision is one of the best comics Marvel has put out in years, yet it is one of their lowest selling. Meanwhile hot fucking garbage like Harley Quinn and her dozen spin-off books and anything written by Bendis top the charts.
I get it. You're new to comics and don't understand how the industry works, and that's fine. But don't go around fronting like you know what you're talking about.
>>83346633
Or maybe the simpler explanation is that you and your tastes are wrong, rather than "the hoi polloi have no taste and hate real quality stories like my precious Omega Men and The Vision!"
Seriously, you sound like the fucking Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.
>>83346722
damn that's some nasty bait
>>83346722
>he actually watches the simpsons
What are you, 50?
>>83346722
Nah.
>>83325990
1st issues tend to sell pretty well, after 2 or 3 popularity and sales go down.
>>83328413
Proof?
>>83347162
Just look at the sales charts every month. Pretty much no comics sell outside of Batman, Harley, Star Wars, and event shit.
>>83344669
Ignore them. They're just going to keep repeating this meme until it becomes widespread.
>>83347305
If it wasn't in a lootcrate then how did it sell so high? Checkmate /co/mblr.
>>83347896
incentive variants, come on man it's not hard
>>83344202
>>83344355
>>83345880
>>83346633
I think in general good stories sell, there will be always some job that you apreciated that didn't go well of course. You can't expect a perfect proportinon between quality and sales but in general they do fine when they are good.
>>83346633
Its a dead end anyway, because if something good sells then authomatically for some reason can't be considered good anymore.
I mean, if there is a good book and sells shit, then "good stories don't sell". But if there is a good book and sells well then "that book its shit" or "popular is not good".
Is not that good stories doesn't sell, is that people strongly denies something being good when it succeeds.
>>83325327
>C-3PO
>minority
>>83325327
Wow, you're critical thinking skills are shit.
If you're studying, drop out now. If not, don't start.
BP is a launch issue, dumbass.
>>83325327
Black Panther is a classic character that has ALWAYS been black.
Feels DAMN GOOD to see him getting some play.
What feels bad is slapping a new paint job or giving a sex change to some other previously white male character and acting like it is "muh diversity" ....
