>There were people who asked "omg why isn't he black" when this came out
If the ring creates the suit shouldn't it be transparent plastic-looking green like everything else? Wouldn't it do a terrible job of concealing your junk?
>>83321584
The best part is DC fans forgetting about this movie and Superman Returns and then wondering why Batman was the only one to get a full trilogy
>>83321790
Will he ever bounce back or is doomed to the small screen?
>>83321584
And understandably so. Before the movie, the biggest connection to popular culture that the Green Lantern mythos had was with John Stewart in the extremely popular Justice League cartoons. Just because Geoff Johns and his HEAT friends care and knew who Hal was, didn't mean the majority of the rest of the world did.
>>83321855
He's better on tv.
>>83321584
I was one of them, OP. I regret none of it.
Nobody knew who the fuck Green Lantern was until the Justice League cartoon
So...yeah
>>83321953
And judging by he box office receipt, we were all right. No one gives a fuck about Hal
When the Justice League cartoon began I was wondering why he wasn't white.
Doesn't that stand to prove just how influential the JL cartoon was on modern times than anything?
>>83322129
No, it just proves that kids don't read comics anymore.
why wasn't he black tho?
>>83322146
You didn't need the gl movie to prove that
>>83322148
Because Geoff Johns has a chubby for the Silver Age. It's the same reason why Barry Allen is the Flash instead of Wally in the tv show.
>>83321953
>Before the movie, the biggest connection to popular culture that the Green Lantern mythos had was with John Stewart
Nah. Superfriends, especially Challenge of the Superfriends, has been working against DC for 30 years now. It had daily reruns on Cartoon Network up until the 2000s, and is still remembered to a lesser degree today.
JL reinvigorated him in the public's eye, but prior to that he was known as "That lame hero whose ring didn't work on the color yellow" just like how Superfriends made Aquaman "That lame fish guy"
>Hal Jordan
or
>Real nigga who fucks hot birds
No wonder there was disappointment
>>83322326
He probably means among kids to early 20 somethings, the target audience of the film
No young people watched Superfriends
>>83321584
The movie was coming out after all of the hype the DCAU created.
Who was the Green Lantern during that? John Stewart. Who had a great multi episode romance with Hawk-Girl and that other chick? John Stewart. Who was an all around badass for most of the JLU/JL episodes? John.
Choosing Hal for the movie was a mistake. Plenty more people would have gone if the protagonist was John.
>>83321584
In retrospect, I wish he'd been black.
Maybe they would've tried again with a good white actor instead of sending the franchise into oblivion.
>>83321953
Well the rest of the world can shut the fuck up and actually read some comics sometime.
Getting real sick of catering to casuals.
>>83322129
Yup. This is why I want to bring it back. But that's a subject for a different thread. I'm still watching the full series before I start talking about how to continue it.
>>83322474
Why not do a Green Lantern film with multiple characters? Make John a seasoned veteran, Hal is a newbie or something. Green Lantern seems like it'd actually make for a great ensemble piece.
>>83321584
Lets be fair though, John Stewart is based.
>>83322474
Yeah but it doesn't do justice to the original character or idea. John is John. John doesn't have the relationship with Sinestro, he doesn't have Hector Hammond, he didn't go crazy and bring Parallax into this whole crazy space opera.
Hal has more story. Jon's still standing on his shoulders. The best thing to happen to Jon was the JL show, really.
>>83321584
>And then it quickly changed to "omg why isn't he good?"
>>83322326
>It had daily reruns on Cartoon Network up until the 2000s,
"Up until the 2000s" was nearly twenty years ago.
Anyone younger than thirty wouldn't know or care about Superfriends when they grew up with JL.
>>83321790
>forgetting about superman returns
in my eyes, returns was a great movie. great when viewed as a sequel to donner's superman 2 since it was in no way intended to be a new iteration of the character
routh was a great superman, I'd even go as far as to say that he was the best version of superman so far
>>83322626
>John doesn't have the relationship with Sinestro, he doesn't have Hector Hammond, he didn't go crazy and bring Parallax into this whole crazy space opera.
Hector Hammond and Parallax dragged the movie down.
>>83322661
>routh was a great superman
He's a hell of a lot better than the one we have now but he's not as good as Christopher was. RIP.
>>83322661
>returns was a great movie. great when viewed as a sequel to donner's superman 2 since it was in no way intended to be a new iteration of the character
It took a huge dump on the original Donner's movies by turning Superman into a rapist and dead-beat father. Not to mention that the religious imagery were out of control.
As someone who grew up with the Superman/Batman Adventures cartoon which had the Kyle Green Lantern, seeing JLU use Stewart just to meet the diversity quota pissed me off and me hate token minorities in media ever since.
>>83322326
Challenge of the Super Friends only had 16 episodes. That's not enough for syndication, so you'd need to pretty much go out of your way to watch it.
That's why people remember Super Friends' lame Aquaman, but Hal Jordan was mostly unknown. He only became a permanent cast member in the last and least mainstream season.
>>83322735
I know people will bitch about me saying this but hell, why are people sucking reeves' dick so hard? he portrayed a nice version of supes but he definitely wasn't the best one
>dean cain is number 1
>routh is number 2
>reeves and cavill are number 3
>rest is literally meh-tier
>>83322661
I disagree, I think Returns was the worst. MoS and BvS may in fact be horrible, but they are at least their own movies. Returns is just a two hour Donner circle jerk. If I wanted to watch the old movies, I'd watch the old movies.
Routh is playing Reeves playing Superman. The whole father thing has weird rapey connotations to it. Lois has never been more of a cunt. Luthor's plan is ANOTHER goddamn real estate scheme and one that doesn't even make sense. It's pacing is slow and plodding. Having it be a sequel to Superman 1 ans 2 but not 3 and 4 is both arrogant and retarded considering how 2 ends and Returns begins. The jesus imagery that everyone hates from MoS gets it;s start in Returns. And that fucking climax with the island of Kryptonite is stupid that it kills any of the decent things like Jimmy Olsen and the plane scene.
Returns might just be, for me, the worst blockbuster movie I've ever paid to see.
>>83322812
>me hate token minorities
Thanks for the heads up, Adolf.
>>83322763
>rapist
explain
>dead-beat father
how the fuck was he a dead-beat father when he didn't even know that she had a child?
>It took a huge dump on the original Donner's movies
yeah, superman flying around the earth and turning time back was great. as was superman killing zod by letting him fall into that pit. donner's movies are comfy but campy and stupid as fuck
>>83321584
Yay! So now instead of complaining about race swapping, we are complaining hypothetical race swapping a couple dozen people on twitter wanted!
Let's all waste our lives like genius OP over here!
>>83322845
Lists are irrelevant as everyone will have a different numbering, but since you like Dean Cain so much, for $30 he'll come over to your house and pay Superman for you. He just needs a red towel to tie around his neck. BTW: They hired Routh BECAUSE he looked and acted like Reeves.
>>83322626
Absolutely none of that is of direct importance to doing a GL movie. You don;t need Parallax. You don't need the tragic and sad tale of Hector Hammond. As for Sinestro, all you;d need is for him to be the Alonzo Harris to John's Ethan Hawke to make his part work.
>>83322852
Yeah, but it was pretty awesome how Brainiac showed up in the Fortress of Solitude and tricked Lex into destroying the Earth.
>>83322812
Something tells me you would hate minorities in tv and movies, regardless. JL just gave you a flimsy, barely defendable excuse.
>>83322935
Says the guy who wasted time by responding to a topic he supposedly didn't give a shit about.
>>83322852
>Returns is just a two hour Donner circle jerk
I agree with you on that one, never said anything else though. That was exactly the reason why I thought Returns was a nice addition to the mix. It was basically Superman 3 and a proper kind of finale of donner's movies
>The whole father thing has weird rapey connotations to it
well, it was singer who directed it.... kek
>Lois has never been more of a cunt
I thought she was passable. didn't really like the actress that much
>Luthor's plan is ANOTHER goddamn real estate scheme and one that doesn't even make sense
yeah, that entire thing was a bore. superman's powers could've been portrayed perfectly with the effects used in Returns, yet they take Luthor. AGAIN
>>83322919
Superman erased Lois Lane's memory of their time together with a super-kiss in Superman 2. Now, that was certainly bad but not so bad because nothing came out of it.
Superman Returns opened with this idea that Superman managed to get Lois preggas before fucking off to find Krypton, leaving her pregnant with his kid and without knowing who the father of the baby growing inside her belly was.
Fuck Superman Returns.
>>83322935
How new are you
>>83322474
>Plenty more people would have gone if the protagonist was John
prove it
>>83322860
He's not wrong. Token minorities in media that don't serve much if any purpose has reached a meta level of presence when South Park has a character named Token... who's black.
>>83322558
>sick of catering to casuals
you mean movies with MILLIONS OF DOLLARS in their budget want to cater to the largest crowd?
who would have fucking guessed
>>83322860
>Hurr durr look at his spelling error on de internet. Clearly he is da below average intelligence
>>83323005
Minorities are fine
Forced token minorities are not
The latter happens in media more often
>>83322812
Kyle showed up once in STAS, he didn't even appear again until sometime in JL and even then he didn't have a speaking role.
>>83322597
>>83322626
In retrospect, perhaps it would have been better if the movie Antman'd the main characters. Like, having John Stewart be this experienced veteran somewhere between middle age and retirement who the movie makes explicitly clear has had more adventures/acts of heroism than anyone can count----but in present is more of a mentor to Hal than the main focus.
Not sure how Kyle in the movie would work but balancing three protagonists is completely manageable under the right scriptwriter/director.
Maybe my standards are just low, but I liked this movie at first, and it's what made me interested in checking out GL comics.
Of course I rewatched it after buying it for $3 years later after having actually read some GL comics and then suddenly I started to get why some people thought it was pretty bad.
On a semi related topic, I am interested in reading Ghost Rider.
>>83323070
>He's not wrong because I'm a racist fuck like he is.
Thanks for the heads up, Billy Bob. How's the Wife/Sister doing?
>why did people wonder why the most popular cartoon iteration of a green lantern wasn't the one in the movie
gee
>>83323091
>>83323070
Okay, and what constitutes a token minority?
>>83323091
It wasn't the spelling, it was the racist comment, Brainiac.
>>83323022
>leaving her pregnant with his kid and without knowing who the father of the baby growing inside her belly was.
>and without knowing who the father of the baby growing inside her belly was.
what? wasn't it obviously clear that she knew he was the father? it only appeared as if she didn't want to admit it to herself properly but she did know
>>83323190
She had a suspicion, but she didn't knew. She only realized for real when she saw her kid using his powers.
>>83323164
If you're the only one that isn't white
>>83322731
>>83322945
I haven't even fully seen the movie, I'm just saying Hal is the first and Hal established the current mythos. Carol Ferris too, she's a big part of the whole picture with Star Sapphire.
You may not NEED Hal, but you WANT him there if you're making a movie about Green Lantern for the first time. It makes sense.
(Technically Alan is the first but they keep insisting his star heart thing has nothing to with the Green Lantern corp so he's like his own character when it comes to making movies about the current Green Lantern.)
>>83323190
If she didn't know, then Superman still slept with a woman and erased her memory of it, which is sketchy at best and criminal at worst.
If she did know or even have an inkling of it, then she purposefully tricked some schmuck into thinking it was his kid and thus had him raise a kid that wasn't his without his knowledge of doing so.
Either way, the whole thing is fucked.
>>83323134
How's your wife's kids doing?
>>83323341
>If she didn't know, then Superman still slept with a woman and erased her memory of it
I actually never even thought about that scenario. in my eyes, he had sex with her after the memory wipe and THEN left. was it ever stated that he left instantly after superman 2?
>>83323291
But like Aziz Ansari said, if we have TWO or more minorities in the main cast, then the show becomes ethnic and lose white viewers!
>>83323168
>getting upset at racism
Save yourself and the rest of the world the trouble and kill yourself. The world is not a nice place.
>>83323384
He left instantly after that precisely because he couldn't be with her no more. Lois was left confused. One moment Superman is there and the next Superman is gone and she can't stop throwing up.
>>83323436
>The world is not a nice place
>this is ok
>>83323387
>There are people who think Aziz Ansari is funny
There is literally no reason a Green Lantern even has to have a black guy
Like did the alien council suddenly go "hm, maybe we should get a black guy to represent earth instead of the majority white people"
>>83323436
>If something is broken, don't fix it.
>>83323533
But white people aren't the majority.
>>83323567
white people were the majority for a large part of the history of the modern worlf
And when the Justice League cartoon came out there were people that asked by Green Lantern was black all of a sudden. What's your point?
>>83323533
Asians are the largest group on the planet. The same flawed argument you just made against John works against Hal!
>>83323533
Spoken like a true white person.
>>83323586
White people have been outnumbered by asians since the dawn of time.
>>83323587
>And when the Justice League cartoon came out there were people that asked by Green Lantern was black all of a sudden
Yeah, that group of 25 people was really gonna put a dent in the ratings.
>>83323567
>>83323617
>>83323624
asian people don't write comics or make the media so they don't deserve to be put in either anyways
>>83323648
Confirmed not old enough for DCAU
>>83323662
But we're not talking about comic writers, we're talking about the Guardians of the Universe and the idea that if they did pick lanterns, they would be ones who's arbitrary ethnicity is the most populous. And if that were the case, which it's not but if it were, then it wouldn't be 3 white guys, a black guy, a hispanic woman and a middle eastern who they'd pick.
>>83323550
>>83323494
>The world should be my autistic fantasy where everyone is nice and we ignore all of our differences, cultural and biological because I'm a retarded faggot who gets upset at people who don't think the way I do.
Please kill yourselves
>>83323839
what the fuck...
>>83323533
>majority white people
>thinks the US is the world
>>83323839
>I'm a retarded faggot who gets upset at people who don't think the way I do.
And that doesn't describe you, Senor "everyone who disagrees with me should kill themselves"?
>>83322146
Hal's GL didn't really sell since the 70s.
There was a reason they did something with drastic with Kyle.
>>83323839
I wish I had a more appropriate picture but thanks for the keks man.
arguing between hal and john is pointless because the movie should have been about sinestro
>>83323645
I'm about as fucking white as white can get and this is a true statement.
>>83323084
Well they cater to casuals by changing the character to appeal to them, it doesn't because they're whimsical and only like things if lots of other people do, and the whole movie bombs.
So you've made negative money. OR you can cater to the actual fanbase who will keep coming back with more money for you if you give them what they want or think they're going to get.
It works fine for sports. No one in the NFL is catering to my ass and I don't watch sports! But people who don't read comics get catered to with movies based on comics?
>>83323341
MAN OF KEKOLDING.
>>83322812
he only showed up once. It wasn't like he was a central cast member who ended up getting replaced.
>>83322812
He showed up literally once at the end of the series.
Literally one year later, Justice League premiered.
Shut the fuck up, faggot.
>>83323587
By the time this movie came out, most if the younger audience was familiar with John because of the cartoon.
They would have been more familiar with him due to JL and JLU
>>83324667
http://www.diamondcomics.com/Home/1/1/3/597?articleID=178540
The 10 top-selling comics in April sold between 72k and 248k. The average was 119,706 copies. Each one of those had a price of $3.99-$5.99. Not to mention that half of those were #1s which gave them a bump.
Compare that to the movies.
Civil War just crossed $1 billion, Age of Ultron brought in $1.4 billion, The Avengers made $1.52 billion, Deadpool, Days of Future Past, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Winter Soldier made around three-quarters of a billion and Antman made half a billion. And that's all BEFORE DVD/Blu-Ray/VOD, the clothes, toys and licensed home pregnancy tests. And then on top of that there's the extra interest that these movies create for the IPs. It's no coincidence we got a GotG cartoon after the movie and the new Black Panther run launched so close to the Civil War movie or that the Civil War II books exist.
Comics are chump change compared to the movies so when they make movies they're going to prioritize the people who watch movies over the people who buy comics. The NFL doesn't cater to people who don't like sports but if they could make a hundred times more money doing it you can bet your ass they would be.
>>83326808
>The NFL doesn't cater to people who don't like sports
Yes they do. That's why the superbowl is 8 hours of non sports
>>83324667
Ever heard the saying "I'll wait for the movie"? I shouldn't have to explain further.
>>83326841
I get the ads and halftime show are to attract non sports fans but I'm pretty sure only people who seriously follow Football give a shit about pre and post game commentary.
Why not have all 4 lanterns at once? It wouldn't be the first time they've been together and you could make it a buddy cop style of interaction between them. You can still have Hal set up all the big bads but have any lantern you want set up for JL.
>we'll never get a John Stewart/Wally West buddy cop movie
>it won't be called "Stewart and West: The Green Lantern/Flash Movie"
They're the perfect match for a classic buddy cop movie. One's a no-nonsense hardass and the other's a fun-loving goofball. One's black and one's white.
>>83323586
Yeah, because the Europe and Mediterranean Basin were the only inhabbitat parts of the planet until empires started to clolnize shit.
>>83323780
>we're talking about the Guardians of the Universe and the idea that if they did pick lanterns
They don't pick lanterns, the ring does. And it doesnt give two shits about ethnicity or representation, it only conciders willpower. Did you even read the comic?
>>83327611
1. Those kind of look like hamburgers.
2. I always thought that was Barry. My childhood now seems tainted by extra crappier than usual Flash.
>wanting Hal "I have the IQ of an avocado" Jordan as your GL
>wanting Hal "If it can bleed, it can breed" Jordan as your GL
>ever
>>83321584
John is better than Hal.
>>83323501
>two Thanagarians pet sitting for Superman.jpg
>>83322656
>>And then it quickly changed to "omg why isn't he good?"
Yup. People going on about his race are completely missing the point about why this movie sucked. In retrospect I find Green Lantern to be an early warning signal about just how incompetent DC is when it comes to bringing their characters to the big screen. It's not all on Hack Snyder although he sure as fuck didn't help.
>yfw you dread the upcoming WW movie because she's your favorite character and DC/WB are retards
>>83322500
maybe if he were black the contrast of the CGI mask/costume wouldnt have looked so god damn awful.
>>83326808
> It's no coincidence we got a GotG cartoon after the movie and the new Black Panther run launched so close to the Civil War movie or that the Civil War II books exist.
And you said this while missing my original point. We got a GotG movie in the first place because the fans who read comics loved it so much they asked for it. Same thing with Black Panther. Casuals had no idea who these people are.
That's what I'm talking about. WE came first. It got popular enough for a movie BECAUSE WE MADE IT SO. WE being the people who actually read comics. So cater to us a little more because we're the ones that will pick out the IP that the casuals ignore (Ant-Man and to some extent Deadpool) that turn into blockbusters for them.
And when try to change things too much, where it pisses off the advanced fan or the core fan, the movie usually flops hard or has problems. Look at how BvS was received, Hollywood is learning it can't just slap names on the movie and expect it to be a success just because the core fan base will come too. They actually have to met the demand if they want our supply of cash.
>>83321855
Blue and Brown?
>>83333904
Nobody likes bright colors anymore, especially with super heroes. The only one allowed to have bright red and blue at the same time is Spider Man.
>>83333860
Guardians of the Galaxy was made because the people at Marvel studios liked the IP and thought they could sell it to millions of people. It wasn't because of the requests of a consumer base that would only net them half a million a month in comic sales.
>BvS
Yes, anon. The flaws that movie had came from trying to appeal to casual normies. Because as we all know there's nothing casual normies love more than 3 1/2 hours of Superman being mopey.
>>83322657
>"Up until the 2000s" was nearly twenty years ago.
I'm getting old
>>83327881
>Did you even read the comic?
/co/ doesn't read comics
/v/ doesn't play games
/fit/ doesn't lift weights
/sp/ doesn't play sports
/k/ doesn't own guns
/tv/ doesn't watch movies
/r9k/ is normie central
/biz/ is broke
/o/ rides the bus
The only honest boards are /a/, /b/, and /x/.
>>83321953
Too bad Stewart is shite.
>>83322214
Or, ya know, because he's the GL with the most longevity and the biggest breadth of stories. It must be the Johns boogeyman. It's not like Wally West is his favorite character.
>>83322620
Kek no. Even Baz is better. He's only ever been good in Mosaic, but JLU + Johns ruined THAT characterization forever.
>>83327611
>Not wanting Jay/Alan
>Not wanting Barry/Hal
>Not wanting Wally/Kyle
Casual or shit taste
>>83321855
What an incredibly horrid costume. He looks like an eBay cosplay model. The shirt looks cheap and the S is comically small like they made it one size so when it's on a big guy it's dwarfed by the blue. The red is baby poop colored.
>>83327174
Because Kyle doesn't work well unless Hal already passed, and John is a shitty character who is only slightly improved when he's part of a full JLU style ensemble.
