>Legends of Tomorrow finale ends with JSA
>Flash finale ends with Flashpoint
>Arrow finale ends with Olicity
Come on, Tom.
please just end arrow's suffering
>>83231139
he never disagreed
And didn't Gotham end with the Court of Owls? What the hell happened to Arrow?
>>83232318
Arrow was never anything more than steadily mediocre.
Mayor Ollie
we made it! we finally made it, /co/! MAYOR Ollie!
iZombie ended with full on Wesker
>>83232406
Shouldve seen that one coming since Max Rager is basically umbrella, now under new management but still umbrella
Just look at this shell of a man. He knows his show is shit.
>>83232772
>When Britain's colonies are have surpassed it
>When the spin-offs are superior
>>83232347
It did have some hype points, though, but yeah.
Really, the difference is the hope you had for the show dwindling further down and down as it went on.
>>83231006
What should Arrow have ended up with?
Supermax?
Star City:No Man's Land?
>>83232859
Too true. I remember when we thought it was the hypest shit they were setting up Solomon Grundy, the League of Assassins was still new and exciting, the Flash teaser was on the horizon, Sara as Canary was great and then... wew
>>83232906
It ended up with what it deserved. Using good storylines on that cesspit would only devalue them. I can't believe people want the Question to be introduced on there instead of on a good (or at least average) show.
>>83232981
No, I mean if it didn't go full Felicity on us (and killed her off during the Christmas break as it was supposed to happen in a better timeline than ours).
>>83232772
He'll be fine.
Now I'm worried that Flash Season 3 will really tank shit hard. The writing/acting for Season 2 was pretty damn spotty at times, especially during the finale.
>>83233120
>spotty
plot holes and stupid, unthought out villains no one gave a shit about galore. a well done flashpoint is the only thing that could save the show.
>You thought I was leaving to?
>Not a chance
>>83231006
>Oliver and Felicitys twitter pages both have #Olicity in their bio
>Laurel dies promoting Olicity
>Flash gets cucked by Felicity in Season 1 as she is says shes into someone else, obviously Oliver
>Atom gets cucked by Felicity
>Everyone leaves team Arrow except for Oliver and Felicity
What did I do to deserve this? Literally everything with Felicity turns to shit. I didnt give a shit about her in season 1 or 2, then suddenly she hacks 15000 nukes and has them explode in space with no cosequence
>>83233269
King Shark was awesome
They fucked up by killing Atom Smasher
>Barry "From Earth-2? Fuck You" Allen
>>83232406
>>83232610
SO would Liv be Jill or the OC donutsteal from the movies played by Milla?
>>83233387
Major is both desu
>>83231006
How exactly did it end?
I didn't watch, for the same reason I wouldn't watch Marc Guggenheim beating someone I love to death.
So will Flashpoint have any bearing on the other shows?
>>83232772
Hilary Duff.
>>83233480
Ollie becomes mayor
Dig leaves
Thea leaves
and then this >>83233271
>>83233442
Major in a skintight black leather outfit when?
>>83233481
Goddamn do I hope so.
The best thing that I could imagine is that the big CW crossover they've been talking about is a Flashpoint movie that ends in a reboot of the CWverse. It'd help to integrate Supergirl into the main universe at the very least.
So are the ARROW writers self aware of this bullshit? Is it a case of intentional shit writing or delusion?
>>83233481
Probably not. Because Barry wasnt worried about worldwide nukes and no one cared that Felicity bombed Havenrock
>>83232772
Will that midriff or Caity's cleavage be in season 2? That white canary costume has always been a travesty.
>>83232772
He actually looks like Oliver does when trying to pass as a human being instead of genuine smiling Stephen.
He deserves so much better.
>>83233574
someone post that landwhale Arrow writer
>>83233574
I think that they noticed that their biggest fans were the Tumblr shipping crowd, and decided that they were going to tailor the show specifically towards their tastes. Say what you will for S3, but at least it was still about Oliver.
It may not have been the writers that made that decisions. It could have been the people in charge of the money. They saw declining viewership in S3, so they doubled down towards their biggest demographic. It's perfectly understandable, but still the wrong decision.
>>83233716
The point I realized it was irredemable was an episode or two ago.
Oliver and Diggle were doing action stuff. And it kept cutting to Felicity, Felicity's Mom, Felicity's Dad and Felicity's black gay best friend arguing with each other.
That's when I decided FUCK IT.
>>83233636
This?
>>83235986
Fucking kek.
Everyone loves Felicity. And deep inside all of you love her too. Do not fight her love, do not resist her power, just kneel before Felicity, a true queen of /co/!
>>83232772
Ah, the old Affleck syndrome.
>>83237661
Damn, you beat me to it.
Can the show be saved?
>>83231006
His arm looks like a penis
>>83232772
Man he's dead on the inside
>>83232772
Don't be mean to Stephen, he's doing his best goddamnit ;_;
>All Star Comics #8 (Dec. 1941-Jan. 1942) featured the first appearance of Wonder Woman.[8] Unlike the other characters who had their own titles, she was allowed to appear in the series, but only as the JSA's secretary from #11 onwards, and did not actively take part in most adventures until much later in the series.
Imagine the butthurt if they did this for the DC movies. SJW would literally riot in the streets.
White knights would kill themselves in angst.
>>83232772
I hope TMNT2 does good and Arrow gets cancelled soon because he does not deserve to be in that show. I feel bad for him, he's stuck with these awful writers and showrunners and can't do shit about it.
>>83232772
>Stephen: hey guys, what are you doing?
>Grant: we just doing a photo of successful cape shows
>Stephen: oh, ok.. sorry to bother you guys...
>Melissa whispering to Grant: you should invite him to the photo, poor guy
>Grant: do we have to? he will probably bring felicity with him
>>83232772
Like the loser trying to hang out with the cool kids
>>83233716
>Tumblr shipping crowd
Tumblr hates Felicity for the most part, its just twitter that likes her
>>83238487
Pls do not bully Stephen, he tries
>>83232772
Jesus Christ, Caity probably knows what a bullet she dodged when she never signed to be a recurring character for Arrow. Good for her.
>>83231006
>Arrow finale
>Nukes explode offscreen
I'm still mad
>>83237611
I love Felicity, as much as I love Lois Lane but they should never actively take part on the stories aside of some OCASIONAL emotional support for the heroes.
>>83242038
>Damian Dank absorbs 10,000 souls
>all it does is make his force push 10% stronger and make him able to melt bullets
>and none of that matters anyway because Ollie harnesses the power of friendship
>>83237846
> Justice Battalion in first panel
> Justice Society in second panel
Are you even trying, Golden Age editors?
>>83238487
STEPHAN IS NOT FOR BULLY
>>83237611
should we also Die, Die For Felicityseid?
>>83242038
Now now, the nukes might not have exploded at all. They just straight up disappeared/stopped being mentioned.
The one we saw was about to hit felicity then turned away. To where? Who the fuck knows?
>>83242098
He still was vulnerable to punches, apparently. He put all his skill points into stopping projectiles, but Ollie doesn't even use his bow any more, almost.
>>83238487
>tfw none of the cast can any longer tell the difference between Felicity the character and Emily the personNot that she's really had any other roles.
>>83232906
just end with oliver's speech as mayor would be sufficient.
>>83232772
>>83237764
i would totally go totorrentto watch TMNT2 to support him, and help him escape felicity show
AMELL IN FULL DENIAL
http://comicbook.com/2016/05/28/arrows-stephen-amell-addresses-olicity-and-negative-attacks-on-s/
>>83231006
That should've been the moment Arrow ended, the exact marker of where everything went from good to worse than shit.
>>83231006
It's amazing that you think LoT was ever good or that the entirety of Flash S2 wasn't a disappointment.
>>83246039
It's the curse of the CWversefags
>>83231006
>implying Felicity didn't stay tocreate JLA
>>83233269
Yet I was able to understand all those villains more than Zoom (by the end). We needed more episodes with the Rogues. That's the one of the things I regret about Legends.
>>83233481
It will explain Supergirl joining the CW-verse
>>83245125
Well, he can't really go "Yeah, I agree with them, we've ruined the show by pandering to the shippers."
>>83246415
How?
Unless they recreate the exact conditions as she came to be, she'd be a copy, and not the original.
Also, wouldn't it force Superman to either exist in the CWverse, or NOT exist on Supergirl?
The problem is the CW is treating it like a CW show(putting romance, "drama" first, action second) when it's meant to be a comic book show (action first, "drama" second) Ollicity needs to take a back seat along with every other stupid sub-plot nobody cares about. Show us Oliver making more speeches like in the finale and more metahumans. Have him visit other cities like Hub and Bloodhaven more often.
>>83246415
>>83246568
I'm still betting that Supergirl will just remain another world in the multiverse, just that now Barry can ask Cisco to vibe her over for some Big Belly Burger.
>>83246702
I'd be fine if they just kept a literal door where they could go between universes. A simple wooden door like the ones from Doraemon or something.
>>83235986
THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH
>>83246586
Also rehire the choreographers from the first two seasons. While it was never top notch action, it was still some of the best on basic cable. Now we get needless flips and bland kicks.
>>83232772
>>83237764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zLfCnGVeL4
>>83233481
amell said it would not affect arrow
>>83233573
>felicity dies instead of laurel.
>Mr terrific hacks the nukes instead.
>we find out when they do a repeat of Ollie standing in front of the grave scene
>>83233337
Maybe Flashpoint will unkill Earth 1 Rothstein and Edge can become recurring and join however LoT is doing the JSA?
>>83231006
>Arrow was supposed to be a Batman show
I am so glad Batman dodged that bullet.
>>83231139
It's Tom. C'mon.
>>83246822
>most recent fight was LITERALLY dhark and ollie punching each other in the face like schoolchildren
JUST
>>83246822
They must have the Nikita guys around there somewhere, just hire them for Arrow.
>tfw Nikita is still dead
>>83247676
jesus fucking christ
>>83247676
I hated that whole episode.
There was about 400 cliched moments.
I felt physically sick and cringed so much during the car speech. He got on it and said "STOP" and instantly stopped a riot. I had to pause it and get some water.
>>83237846
That's not what a secretary does in that kind of organization, though. She's not just getting them coffee.
>>83242293
No that's just Carter having one of his "episodes"
The Justice Battalion was something his previous incarnation was in around the Spanish American War.
Why can't we have 2 over-arcing storys per season instead of "1 + a shit ton of shit filler"? All CW capeshows have a mid-season finale, why can't they conclude one arc there and begin the next at the end of January and leave out all this unnecessary and logic-defying filler?
>>83248226
That's exactly what Agents of SHIELD does.
Can Arrow even be fixed?
Like even if they kill of felicity early in season 4 and the main writer is removed, what made the first 2 seasons at least sort of good was the older cast. Olivers Mom, step dad, slade, etc. They at least demonstrated some serviceable acting.
Now it's mostly just good looking 20 somethings and Vance/occasionally merlin. Ra's a kind of shit and Darhk was complete shit too.
>>83248226
>>83248280
The filler maybe be a budget thing though, so you'd end up with the same amount.
>>83248226
Apparently legends is gonna start doing that next season and if the flashpoint being a couple of eps rumor is true so will the flash.
>>83248333
Turn Felicity into a villain. Boom.
>>83248341
Arrow S1 and 2 had plenty of 'filler" episodes but most of them were still entertaining(Laurel's alcoholism storyline aside).
The quality of the direction has gotten so much worse. S1/2 had this nice mixture of slick and gritty, now parts of the show legit look like a YoutTube fan movie.
>>83232772
This makes me want to buy a ticket for TMNT 2 out of pity.
>>83248333
kill Felicity and do Lemire's GA run with Outsiders
bam you got clans and new people to be the cast
>>83248459
Yeah, even the costume looks like plastic shit. What happened to the S1 cloth thing?
That wasn't great but at least it didn't look like a halloween costume.
>>83232859
Poor stephen amell. Such a nice guy in such a shit show.
>>83248533
What gets me are the sets. Dahrk's lair looked right out of episode of Power Rangers or Xena. Some of the props look like dime-store plastic like the idol or Malcolm's "robot" hand.
I think the only costume I actually like that's left is Thea's. I guess it helps that Willla Holland is one of the only actors who's still trying.
>>83248645
The main quiver set ain't that bad, but the lighting everywhere else looks like shit.
I don't even know what it is about it, but everything looks so unlived in. The police station feels like a box with painted windows.
>>83248333
>Can Arrow even be fixed?
They need to try and copy season 2.
What made season 2 good?
>Cut down on the soap opera-ness of season 1.
>More comic bookey but not wacky tone.
>Compelling villain played by a decent bloke (well compelling aside from the muh Shado).
>Flashbacks that were not completely redudant.
>Olicity literally being a feint and giving some closure for Felicity to realise the feelings would never be there (changed in season 3).
>Bigger stakes but not an overexageration.
>Decent standalone episodes.
What made season 3-4 bad?
>Too wacky/light in tone in an attempt to keep up with the Flash.
>Too much pseudo philosophical bullshit on trying to have a normal life to every single conversation on "darkness".
>Too many jobbing goons and poor fight scenes as a result.
>Meandering storylines.
>They brought back the soap opera of season 1 but it was even worse (fuck off Felicity's mom).
>Pointless flashbacks.
>Silly lighter, pop culture-y tones of some of the characters.
How to improve it?
>Less team, focus on certain character arcs.
>Felicity as not comic relief or do-all-go but used appropriately.
>Less Argus type shit or massive stakes.
>Book end it with season 1, him trying to cement the city as a good place and fighting more down to Earth villany that has taken root.
>Compelling team of villains (picture related) and less faceless goons running in everytime big bad snaps fingers.
>Better fight scenes.
>Less drama, better drama - make the relationships actually feel real and not feel so fucking silly, they don't seem to act like real people.
>Keep it a bit more grounded.
>>83242534
>Die, Die For Felicityseid?
Yep. That's pretty good line :-)
>>83248907
Merlin has to go. Its fucking stupid how they keep him around when he causes more problems then he helps.
All the fights are the same, so that gets dulle. Barry can always find a new way to be OP. If Season 3's main villain is going to be someone faster than Barry forcing Barry to become even faster it will get boring too. Maybe send some metahumans Oliver's way so that he has to find creative ways to defeat them.
Get rid of the relationship drama. Either let them be together or end it. At this point I am sick of it.
>>83247606
Have you seen that kid on Gotham?
>>83249114
>Merlin has to go. Its fucking stupid how they keep him around when he causes more problems then he helps.
I completely forgot about this.Add it to the list.
I hate John Barrowman. I hate his faces and bad acting. He causes 90% of the bad shit. He has helped fucking every villain. Fuck he helped Vandal Savage. All this crap. He needs to go.
>>83247676
This could have worked if they emphasized the impacts of the hits more and kept it to one camera only.
That's really more of a director failure than a writer failure
>>83249165
What, the kid who plays Bruce? He's fucking great. There were multiple points in S2 when I went "Yeah I can totally see this kid growing up to be Batman" in conplete seriousness.
>>83249432
Dude is pretty good, but it seems like he's gonna be too tiny/scrawny. Child actors rarely look great when grown up, which is a shame. He should already have a huge chin by now.
There's been a bunch of great kid-actors lately, though. That little girl that played Cassie in Ant-Man was fucking great.
Felicity is just so amazing and strong.
>Tell me. Do you hack?
>You will.
I can't wait for Supergirl to meet Felicity!
>Kara: Felicity Smoak, it turns out... you're the REAL Super Girl.
>Felicity: I know.
>Kara: Barry was right about you Felicity. You are Amazing!
I'm still waiting for Felicity to become her own OC superhero, due to her intellect, skills, spine-chip and terrific-tech. Only then she'll have a well deserved place as the leader of the JLA, of course.
>>83249705
I want Cat Grant to verbally savage her.
>>83232772
He looks so happy in the ninja turtles trailer.
>>83248907
Felicity's crush should've remained unrequited
>>83249808
Yeah, as if it wouldn't be the other way around.
>>83249570
Kid should start weights now desu
Barry fixed the timeline right?
If your origin story requires a time traveler and you stop said time traveler, wouldn't you end up with the life you were destined for in the first place?
>>83249760
>become her own OC superhero
you mean like diggle
>>83249839
>Felicity's crush should've remained unrequited
Indeed. Season 2 gave a good end to it.
>>83249863
Yeah I know it'll never happen but god damn I want to see Cat just look her over then proceed to point out every single character flaw she has, what a hypocrite she is, and tell her to stop being such a self-righteous, entitled bitch.
>>83249808
I want Cat Grant to verbally savage me.
>>83249919
not necessarily
eobard thawne is still stuck in the past
and even for some poorly written reason he doesn't do anything in the timespan of barry's formulative years, the very act of attempting to kill barry's mother can have an effect on the timeline
>>83249893
Yeah, and have like 5 jaw days a week.
>>83249919
Doesn't really work that way if you have to go back in time to stop him, the timeline is still fucked, just differently now.
>>83242534
The show certainly did
>>83247676
THE FIGHT CHOREOGRAPHERS SAY THEY DESERVED AN EMMY NOMINATION
IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT THIS EPISODE
>>83249353
Yeah, it's not like face punching can't be exciting and meaningful, it was just handled horribly.
The worst thing about these shows and most network shows in general, is the length. They have to fill more than 20 episodes every year. If the season was shorter or they were made to do like a few arcs a season it might be better for the over all quality.
Without that you have shit like flash giving up his speed and merlyn remaining alive for no good reason.
>>83250553
>We're not getting as many pairs of eyes as, say, a Netflix show.
Nigga are you seriously comparing yourself to Daredevil
>>83250553
Jesus, I think Daredevil is kind of overhyped but this is silly. Still leagues ahead of your shit.
>>83250553
Ridiculous
>>83231006
>Legends of Tomorrow finale ends with JSA
that sounds interesting but you could basically say anything about the show and I'll still care about it
>>83250553
They really need to do a purge of most involved in Arrow for any hopes of redeeming it.
>>83250553
>>83250832
>>83250894
>Daredevil/Netflix
Nigger, you can't even compete with the bottom of the MCU, why even mention Netflix?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa7y4hdvmH8
>>83250996
*never
lel
>>83250996
Unfortunately Guggenheim is still one of the main directors on the project and he's responsible for one of the single worst runs of the JSA of all time.
>>83250553
Buddy a single DD hallway fight outclasses every season of fight choreography your show had to offer. I honestly think hes never even seen the competition
>>83251020
Even though the fight scenes in aos are kind of trash there is at least some semblance of effort, direction and choreography.
In arrow, Especially season 3 and 4 it's "oh and they they punch the mooks and leave"
I don't understand how anyone could think this deserves any sort of award.
>>83251148
It kind of triggers me each time Oliver hits someone with his bow. At least Marvel gave a credible reason for Hawkeye for god sake
>>83251148
Heh, you can only do so much on a weekly schedule with low-budget choreographers and actors, but at least they put "moves" in. Like "reach for the pistol" and "drop the pistol across your back" and build around that.
Arrow looks like they just write "fight" on the screenplay and expect the actors to come up with it.
It also has the flailing rubber power-ranger mook syndrome were everytime anybody gets hit, they just look like they are trying to instruct a plane how to land while being attacked by bees.
>>83251148
>In arrow, Especially season 3 and 4 it's "oh and they they punch the mooks and leave"
Don't forget, every 3 episodes at most, there has to be a mandatory scene where someone is punching a mook on the ground over and over and over, until someone yells at them to stop.
>>83246568
Maybe they'll do a Crisis on Infinite Earths thing and just have CWverse and Supergirlverse merge into a New Earth?
>time travel in LoT has no rules
>they can do whatever the want
>except when it might be more dramatic in that particular episode
>>83253619
or when it could actually solve a problem, like Laurel dying or Eobard/Solomon/Barry fucking up the timeline.
>>83246480
I fucking expect that after Arrow, he goes full berserk and tell to fuck everything about arrow. Except based Manu
>>83231006
>>83232859
So I dropped the show after they killed off BC. How did the season end?
>You don't have to like or dislike any one thing to be a fan of the show. But some of the criticism and vitriol towards fictional characters and the actual people who play them is comically outsized.
>yfw Diggle comes to Team Flash
>>83254863
manu is pretty much doing it now by re-tweeting people shitting on arrow in it's current form
>>83255283
based manu
>>83255283
>>83255390
I know, he was to based for this shitfest show
>mfw when somewhere down the line, The Flash show will do a crossover that reboots the arrowverse and restores Arrow to its former glory
>mfw when that won't happen
>mfw I have no face
>>83250667
my nigga
>>83248421
If I ever did a DC Cartoon, Felicity will be a villain.
>>83240548
Wait, they offered her?
>>83233481
Barry is going to fuck up the timeline something good and trigger the multiverse imploding on itself.
I don't know how, but he'll probably fuck up himself defeating Zolomon or something. Flashpoint and Crisis will be two separate, yet related events.
>>83255122
Dhahrk launches something like 1500 nukes. Felicity redirects one of them to god knows where and the rest into space (off screen mind you). Oliver and Dhahrk just kind of punch each other in the face for a few minutes until Olliver stabs Dhahrk with an arrow. Thea and Dig leave because of reasons but Felicity stays.
>>83257332
>>mfw when
>>83259303
Do they blow up in space?
>>83260220
>mfw next season some alien war race invades because Felicity declared war on them on accident
>>83259303
>>83260220
I feel a dozen nukes going off in space is still a bad thing
>>83260432
Well yes, detonating nukes near the earth is potentially much worse than doing it at ground level unless you happen to be one of the people caught in it. Setting off a bunch of them in orbit would kill most electronics as well as irradiating parts of the world for a little while.
>>83260432
And wasn't the number literally like 15,000
>>83260552
>>83260774
Yeah you guys are right, its still a fucking problem that got hand waved away. But lets take a step back and point out that the season theme was magic and yet fucking nukes was the endgame. Why? Because its a vague threat you dont have to see and Felicity cant hack magic.
>>83260853
We'll see about that!
>>83232772
They look so happy, well,....
>>83260220
I dunno. They just kind...forget about it.
If I go see TMNT2 will it save him from Arrow?
>>83232772
>the beard is no longer a perpetual 5 o'clock shadow
HAPPENING
>>83260220
Good question.
So can we say Arrow is no longer canon to Flash and LoT, considering CW Flashpoint happened and Arrow was not affected?
>>83232859
>No more Black Manta jokes
The dream is dead.
>>83262941
No, because Batman has sailed through reboots unaffected before too.
>>83262941
fuck off AGENTS OF SHIELD FAG
>>83247676
>We got this for the final fight
It should have been Zatanna, Ollie and Vixen fighting Super Damien.
Zatanna to weaken Damien's power and bind mooks, saving the lives of the random civvies who shouldn't have been able to take on trained soldiers. Vixen to have Ollie borrow her totem powers. Ollie then goes all Super Arrow Dragon Mode and becomes a temporary Arcane Archer before using a magic arrow with the help of Vixen and Zatanna to summon twin dragons and send Damien to hell.
>>83263251
>Ollie going full Hanzo
Can't you see, Anon. Arrow has the lowest budget of the three. They can't afford Ollie going full Hanzo
>>83254863
>they'll never transfer Deathstroke to Flash
>/co/ will never explode in shocked disbelief and embarrassment at CW actually adapting the "Deathstroke makes the Flash run into his sword" scene
>>83263447
They have a budget, they just refuse to use it because NO METAS
>>83262941
Can we say that LoT isn't canon to itself since nothing in that show has any logic?
>>83263530
Arrowverse Deathstroke is a fucking pathetic cuck who can't fight for shit without his Mirakuru, so that would never happen.
I'll never understand why /co/ sucks his dick so much, he was terrible.
>>83263657
It's wibbly wobbly.
>>83260387
Uh isn't first contact with the Thanagarians coming? It would be her fault.
Also how the fuck couldn't Uncle Guggie figure out what to do with the Hawks in a season where Thanagar is the villain?
>>83263686
He was good, I was waiting for him to grow into the comic Deathstroke in S3 but we all new how that worked.
>>83263657
I usually don't give a shit about time travel rules being broken or inconsistent in fiction. I think people attach too much importance to the "logic" of a time travel story instead of the actual story itself.
Legends of Tomorrow is an exception. I only have so much patience, and it was 16 episodes of making the rules up as they go along. It makes less sense then Looper, and that's a movie where the characters actually have no idea what the rules of time travel are.
>>83263530
>Wally is the protagonist for a while before he gets the ability to go fast enough to travel back in time and save Barry
>This gets him stuck in the Speedforce
Based Manu.
>>83263727
I hope they just pull something like "The meteor that gave the hawks powers was actually from Thanagar and held the souls of the Thanagarian hawkman and Hawkgirl, whose souls bonded to Carter and Kendra."
>>83263920
The worst part about Felicity is they got her back on track at the very start of season four. She was cool with Ollie going back to superheroing, she wasn't really upfront too bad outside of telling Dig and Ollie they needed to stop being brats, and things were looking up for her after season 3...
And then the Ray episode happened and nothing was the same.
>>83263686
Because he's crazy, patient, dangerously competent, and he's explicitly superhuman strong in a no-metas-allowed setting.
This moment right here is the biggest "oh shit" moment any of these shows has ever had.
>>83231006
Not gonna lie, I liked Thea and Diggle fucking off, I want to watch Arrow, not Arrow feat. Spartan, Speedy, and Black canary.
I know the whole Felicity feat. The Green Arrow scenario isn't going away, but at the very least Oliver is gonna be the only jack ass dressing up in leather fighting bad guys next seasonfor the first couple episodes, until CW writing bring the other two back by episode 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXL5PJ13J1w&
>>83264412
Thea deserves to be on a team show, like Titans or something so she's not constantly dealing with Ollie's shit and Ollie's villains (aka Merlyn). Diggle is fine, but he needs less to do and get rid of the gun and mask. Ollie's better off being solo 90% of the time, and when he isn't it should be with Black Canary mostly.
>>83264692
Oh fuck that's funny
>>83263251
That's a good idea really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhxHAIMMQ8c
Based
>>83254863
>>83255283
>>83255390
>>83256683
tfw Manu retweeted this
>>83263530
I would say I'd be pretty shocked because of how completely bullshit that scene is, when I think about it I realize that CW Barry would one hundred percent fall for that
When will the show follow the comics and Felicity marries Firestorm's dad and only makes his like a living hell?
Is there a single fight scene on Arrow that can top this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0CvkiPS5Ks
>>83265171
It would be hilarious if Manu shows up on the Flash just out of pure spite towards Arrow. "See I am on the show that actually cares"
Seriously just adding the sound rings to Black Sirens powers shows that they care so much more then Arrow
>>83265171
fuck I love manu
>>83265171
Absolute madman
>>83231006
> http://screenrant.com/arrow-stephen-amell-season-4-fan-response/
> “I think Twitter largely is overblown. I’m not saying that these people aren’t passionate and I’m not saying that their opinions shouldn’t matter, but I do think that their voices tend to be so loud that we think the crowd is much bigger than it actually is. I happen to think that it’s much smaller. Most people still enjoy a show in the traditional way, which is to watch it … and not to tweet constantly throughout it.”
> Amell goes on to explain that he thinks Twitter isn’t valuable because of the anonymity that leads to a lack of accountability. He insists he has a great relationship with fans in person, where he says negative opinions are expressed in a “relaxed, calm way, that’s much longer than 140 characters.”
> “I think there are sections of the fandom that take to liking a certain character by way of attacking another character. I feel like if you’re going on the attack for fictional characters, you’re probably not real fans of the show.”
> guy who plays masked character thinks anonymity is bad
Is it too much to ask that the main season baddy for any of these capeshit shows hire henchmen that have the mental capacity to back the fuck up and shoot at the good guys?
"Ooh look vigilantes/agents with highly trained combat techniques, lets put our guns down and engage them in hand to hand combat" enter the realm of reality for 5 seconds, and SHOOT THEM.
The finale drove me nuts, you have a small battalion of mind controlled soldiers against a moderate sized group of unarmed civilians, channel the damn gestapo, open fire and you might actually win!
>>83265481
Well, his character's anonymity does allow him to literally get away with murder.
I made the right decision of dropping the show at the beginning of season 3.
>>83265218
If I lose eight million dollars I'd sue a fucker too.
>>83265481
>I feel like if you’re going on the attack for fictional characters, you’re probably not real fans of the show.
I think possibly the dumbest thing about season 5 was revealing Laurel's secret identity on a whim just because Darhk's wife was lying about it. I mean, who cares about the name. They just brought every successful case she closed back to court, got Lance fired (partially because of Felicity's mom's guilt trip), and made it easier for the public to associate Oliver and his friends with the Green Arrow. Hell, it was amazing they got away with the whole Roy spiel.
>>83231006
Which show will Super Girl do a cameo on 1st?
I'm thinking flash
>>83265481
the funny thing is the bulk of the olicity fans are on twitter
>>83265625
Good to know that real fans can go after the actors and writers of the show.
>>83265728
Pretty sure he was insulting them.
>I feel like if you’re going on the attack for fictional characters, you’re probably not real fans of the show.
>“I think there are sections of the fandom that take to liking a certain character by way of attacking another character.
>In relation to Twitter, home of Olicity
Who do you idiots think he's talking about?
These people raided his wife's social media accounts and shopped pictures of his daughter to look more like EBR after all. They also bullied Katie Cassidy, and cheered at Laurel's death.
>>83265625
I think he's talking about the Olicity fans going after people?
>>83265967
He's talking about people insulting Felicity.
>>83231006
>>Flash finale ends with Flashpoint
I stopped watching Flash about 5 eps into season 2. Are they really pulling this Flashpoint out of their hat? Hasn't DC learned nobody fucking likes reboots?
>>83248333
Wait untilBarry saving his mom at the end of S2leads into a gigantic crossover that resets the universe to a point where Arrow doesn't suck anymore.
>>83266072
I know we're used to people being against us but those fans you think he's protecting non-stop shit talk his wife.
>>83266147
Chances are they'll do an episode or two of a flashpoint alternate universe, and then fix it back to the way things were before. Not an actual reboot
>>83266147
That is some shockingly shit taste.
Well, not really shocking but...
>>83266147
>implying it will stick
An actual reboot on a non-episodic TV series would be shocking.
>>83266158
amell already said flashpoint wouldn't affect arrow
>>83263920
Didn't they explain that in the Legends finale already?
>>83266159
Yeah, but he's specifically saying that people who insult FICTIONAL CHARACTERS aren't true fans.
He's not saying you're not real fan if you insult actual people, which would be a perfectly reasonable sentiment.
>>83266254
He could be wrong or lying. It's been known to happen.
>>83266364
Who insult fictional characters FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.
>I think there are sections of the fandom that take to liking a certain character by way of attacking another character.
Which is exactly what happened with the Ollicity fans and almost every other character on the show.
Can we make a petition for an Olicity show, or a Felicity Smoaks and Mirrors spin-off? At this point all hope is lost, so might as well drive this shit into the ground, and enjoy the mess that it is. I think we should embrace Felicity and push for more attention on her.
>>83266364
Read what he said again moron.
>>83265625
Pro-Tip: Use the word Attack in place of the words Criticize or Complain in order to make what you're saying sound like it actually matters.
That came out a little ruder than I had intended.
>>83266663
Every modern TV show needs a quirky computer hacker character who can offer technical assistance to advance the plot. They literally can not remove Felicity from Arrow or the entire scripting process will fall apart.
>>83267918
We have her gay best friend now we don't need her anymore.
>>83267975
I honestly thought that's why they brought Curtis on the show.
I mean they revealed everyone's identity to him too.
What a perfect opportunity to kill felicity off, missed.
>>83267918
Having idiots flail at a keyboard is a crutch, not a strength.
It's a writers' out for when they're too stupid or lazy to come up with a real solution.
Seriously. Anybody who supports Olicity needs to get medically checked.
>>83248501
I know right?
Remember when Larry King did real news?
>>83268256
>retire
>get bored
>start interviewing people out of your rec room
oh larry
>>83232772
Amell literally just posted a long thing on Facebook around an hour ago asking not to attack him doing stuff for charity but flatout says quote: "Keep the sarcastic questions about me being a guest star on my own show coming. I love them both." He knows the show's gone to shit.
So it's been a while ... have they given an answer to what happened to all those nukes?
>>83268456
Felicity made them disappear with the power of love and friendshipafter she killed tens of thousands of people of course.
>>83268425
Based Amell is based
>>83268456
This, I still havent gotten an answer. Where did the nuke that felicity hack away go to? Fucking nuketown again?
>>83268095
I'd say it's a budgeting measure more than anything. In almost all cases you could easily replace tv hackers with characters simply going places and gathering information, but that's more expensive than shooting someone plinking away in an old set.
Let's hope that Amell gets his break in TMNT2
:_;
>>83267918
She's actually likable though. Completely unnecessary. But likable.
>>83268425
him on LoT was his best arrow moment this season
>>83268456
She figured out how to hack them if you can directly see it with an antenna dish. Then she gave Curtis a USB stick to give the rest of the world to hack them all and send them into space.
Because rockets work that way.
>>83250553
They don't even have the best fight choreography on CW. Anything on Nikita blows every Arrow fight scene out of the water.
>>83268081
Maybe they'll kill Curtis off and introduce his straight brother, Michael.
>>83268586
I think shes necessary. Like Wells, Cisco, and Caitlin had a trifecta of Main science guy, tech/engineer, and bio/chemist. I honestly cant remember her being written badly off the top of my head.
Olicity makes me gag. It's such a perversion and the people who like it are some of the worst people.
>>83268686
IIRC his brother being dead is part of his backstory
>>83268714
Yeah, but what has Caitlin done this past season aside from being Zoom's love interest/bait?
>>83237820
if he was doing his best he'd refuse to do scene's with Felicity
>>83231006
Ollie actually died here, everything since this point on as been Felicity's dream, show will end up with her walking in on Patrick Duffy in the shower.
>>83268832
>>83268832
Nah. That only happens with actors who make good couples onscreen and fans like together.
>>83268144
>I actually wanted Olicity
>until it fucking happened
>>83268911
To bad those two hate each other.
>>83264784
>Merlyn
Thea should've killed him by now.
As a character he's a shadow of his former self and as of season 4 he's not even a threat physically.
He's just there to escalate unnecessary drama.
>>83231006
>YFW Oliver died at the season 3 midpoint.
>YFW everything afterwards is just him living in a psychological self-inflicted hell dream: punishing himself for all the lives he took.
>>83268786
She atleast did some stuff, like work on velocity 9. They couldve made her more useful and less of a hang on but thats more of a fault on the writers puttin too much focus on Zoom. I mean hell the amount the contrivances they pulled just for him affected everything, like time remnants and Jay Garrick's helmet was sappin his speedforce (so why need barry's speed). Caitlin gets the worst of it because Barry and Cisco were actually doing interesting things.
>>83268911
>>83268967
Do they actually hate each other? WTF happened? Used to enjoy that show, surprised to hear it was cancelled so abruptly.
>>83269069
It got bad. They refused to do more than a certain number of scenes together and wanted the romantic ones to be minimal. Then she decided she wouldn't come back. But that didn't work out and everybody lost their shit because they didn't want a show without her, so it was cancelled.
>>83269039
If nothing else she has the essential role of doctor, even if much of that work can be kept offscreen.
>>83269137
But what happened? They had great chemistry in early seasons so I find it hard to believe they hated each other from the start. Shit is just weird
>>83269182
They actors yo. They act.
>>83269069
Is it good? Ive been meaning to look for a new show to watch. In fact can I get some recommendations for TV shows? To keep it /co/ and thread related, I liked LoT and Flash (S1>S2) so recommendations based on that bias pls.
>>83269273
It was good for awhile but the last few seasons were pretty shit. Stop watching when they get married.
>>83269317
is it a police procedural? Im mostly watching it for Nathan Fillion's cockiness/swagger
>>83254283
underrated post
>>83262941
Also the nuking of Havenrock was totally ignored by the following episode of The Flash
>>83269433
It's a detective show. She's a detective, he's a writer who bases a character off of her. They solve mysteries.
Flash this season was terrible. An interesting premise for next season doesn't make this one less shit.
>mentor evil again
>time reverents everywhere
>Jay is a famous serial killer who Welks doesn't recognize for months
>Barry agrees to race him which must end in a fight instead of just fucking fighting him
When Arrow is bad it ps generally due to good ideas but execution. Flash the second half of this season was just terrible ideas.
>>83269621
Ah ok that sounds fun. Thanks for the info
>>83269137
Why did they refuse to do scenes with the other star of the show?
>>83269656
It's really good except for the last season.
>>83269717
I think they have conflicting personalities. He goofs on and makes fun of her, she takes things super seriously and get mad if things don't go exactly right.
>>83269717
They hate each other.
>>83268311
I don't think he ever wanted to retire. They made him go because they thought he was getting too old. And then replaced him with a bland British cunt.
>>83269788
>women hate you because you can't take anything seriouslyIt's like a memory trip to my high school years ;_;
>>83269717
No one really knows. Some people say he's a huge prick to her, others say she's a conflicting personality type to him and they don't get along in general, etc.
Nothing's been confirmed either way.
>>83269788
That's the basis of like every sitcom since the 40s.
>>83232772
Supergirl looks like she's hiding a boner
I heard there was gossiping about actors on a show who hate each other
>>83270736
Oh man, that thing was on a whole other level.
>tfw TGW is over
>tfw it ended with a wet fart of a final season
>>83268911
>>83269069
>>83269137
tfw she was in an episode of the last season before it was cancelled and also showed up in Arrow right before it started to get bad
>finish arrow
>"Gee that was awful" I say to myself "At least I don't have to see Felicity ever again."
>watch the movie Brooklyn
>Felicity shows up acting like even more of a cunt
REEEEEEEEEE LEAVE ME ALONE ALONE ALONE REEEEEE
>>83231006
Shouldn't Flash end with cancellation? It only has a million viewers.
>>83271774
The CW renewed literally every show they have, including stuff like Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and Jane The Virgin which get absurdly terrible ratings.
They don't give a flying fuck.
>>83254283
Holy shit
>>83271828
>Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and Jane The Virgin
Emmy bait and critical acclaim.
>>83269433
It's a quirky character + detective buddy show. Very procedural. Once you've seen one you've seen them all. I suggest you skip it all together.
>>83232772
Nobody asked for a mega crossover ever. Just let it end and let the poor actors move on with their lives! Don't force them to read shitty dialog anymore, you can see their souls dying in their eyes! #ActorsLivesMatter
>>83271847
Oh sure, but even for "critical acclaim" CEG's ratings are pitiful.
The CW just works on a different format then other channels.
>>83238487
Flash is not successful, it's the least watched show in the 9 pm slot.
>>83271920
>a CW show is the least watched show in any given slot
What a shocker
>>83271920
What are you talking about? Flash is at 8.
>>83271920
CW doesn't rate success by the same metrics the bigger networks do. They never have and likely never will.
>>83271949
Yeah. But why did they cancel this? It was great.
>>83271939
It looses out to American Grit.
>>83268081
>bring in Curtis to replace Felicity so she can work or whatever the reason
>completely drop it the next episode
>Barry messes with timeline and Piper is part of the team now
>except nevermind cause they drop it the next episode, besides slight remarks
On an unrelaed note, when was the last time we saw Flash or Green Arrow stop a low level crime?
Has anyone else started on their season 5 fan fiction?
I'm already up to episode 4 and can't decide who I want to be the villain of the season. So far Ollie is trying his best to hold off on putting the hood back on but being a mayor is a lot more difficult that he thought it would be. Felicity is in a deep depression and stopped using her implant.
Any ideas on who should be the big bad? I want someone kinda like merlyn but not merlyn because that's how I'm going to end Theas arc.
>>83272082
Season one. Royal Flush Gang.
>>83271774
18-49 demo > total viewers
come on son. this is basic.
>>83271920
>being a total viewer pleb
In the A18-49 demo, which is what really matters, Flash is often #2 or #3 in its slot.
>>83272127
>Any ideas on who should be the big bad? I want someone kinda like merlyn but not merlyn because that's how I'm going to end Theas arc.
I wish they made Vertigo a big bad. And actually a count. It was really disappointing that they brought in Stormare and completely wasted him when everyone thought that he would be a longterm villain and a revamped attempt after the failure with BDH's husband.
>>83272127
>Any ideas on who should be the big bad?
Should bring back Hu as China White.
>>83272128
So long ago? That just can't be right.
>>83272127
Tommy as the Red Hood would be great. But too above the caliber of the writers we have.
>>83269639
I liked the episodes focusing on Snart, Weather Wizard and Trickster. Also that one with Reverse Flash.
>>83272590
Because those are good characters. As was Patty. Things that didn't work were as followed:
-West family drama
-Zoom drama
-Harry/Jesse drama over killing the turtle
-Random new metahuman nobody cares about
>>83270414
Tommy ;_;
Ah who am I fucking kidding anymore
>>83272702
>-West family drama
Joe is the only black West anybody likes. It would have been better if they started out by giving him a different name and making Panabaker Iris.
>>83272702
Yep! The first half nine episodes of Season 2 were a lot more enjoyable than the rest.
>>83272702
>>83272702
>As was Patty
you mean detective felicity? She was LITERALLY just felicity with a badge. Awful character. Would lick her anus tho
>>83247676
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY
>>83272702
Patty was such a useless garbage character. I'm happy they got rid of her before she could ferment into a new felicity.
>>83272809
>>83272829
CW Iris is already black Felicity.
>>83272848
Yet she's infinitely better than Felicity.
>>83272809
>>83272829
>>83272848
>every female character who ever complains or challenges the male lead's opinions or ideas is going to be compared to Felicity now
>>83272259
All I wanted was one "That's Count Vertigo to you. Peasant."
>>83272848
Iris isn't really like felicity. Her dumb romance and melodrama dominates filler episodes but their personalities are different. Ms. Mayonnaise was the exact same as Felicity.
Mr. Terrific is black felicity.
>>83272848
Not even remotely close. Gay best friend is black felicity. Iris is actually somewhat likeable and not annoying to look at.
>>83272908
Why do people get butthurt over Patty challenging Barry's bullshit when we all know hes a fucking idiot?
>>83232347
I disagree. The 1st season had flaws, but it also tried really hard. Even Like: even though it was divisive how Oliver killed people in the pilot, the actual fight scene was very creative and fun.
It wasn't until season 3.5->4 where everything felt completely on the back burner that wasn't introducing more smoaks.
>>83237611
For your love
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>>83232772
MARVEL SAVE HIM
>>83265481
>guy who plays masked character thinks anonymity is bad
You missed the point entirely.
>>83271736
Is that true or did you make that up? That sounds hilarious.
>>83273515
I just looked it up. Felicity is in Brookyln.
>>83273541
Well I did too. I was referring to his/her story.
>>83273541
I actually like Felicity's actress, it's her character that's the problem.
>>83273541
For like four minutes.
>>83273546
It's true. All of it.
>>83273554
I feel the same way about him.
>>83273594
Hey, he tried his best.
>>83273594
Tuvok?
>>83273373
My name is John Walker. For five months I was Captain America and I had one goal. To save my country. To honor Steve Rogers I put on the uniform, but now he's back and I had to become something else. I had to become... the U.S. Agent.
>>83273640
I would very much watch this.
>>83273633
Yousa musta be thinkin' a somebody else
>>83273633
No. Theesa not the righra science fiction bombad franchise.
>>83273640
>that time us agent lost an arm and a leg and got kicked off the avengers and could only find work as a prison warden
>that same prison literally had 3 massive break outs under his watch in one year
haha
I dropped all the CW shows. They're just not good.
>>83272128
I loved season 1 and 2, but it's kind of terrible that they wasted some really good characters that are less grounded, campy, and powered up like Grundy, Ivo, and the Royal Flush Gang that now wouldn't make any of them think twice about using to full capacity. Hell, I remember when Guggenheim promised that you'd never see any powers in that universe. Now we've got metahumans, time travel, magic, and aliens.
>>83274756
>Guggenheim promised that you'd never see any powers in that universe
What a stupid fucking thing to promise for a DC property
>>83274756
>>83274774
"So, does that mean we'll be seeing powerless versions of Superman and Green Lantern? Thankfully not! "I think as far as those big names like Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne and Hal Jordan and Diana Prince, we're going to shy away from that, especially because we really want to establish Oliver Queen as our hero and our lead," Guggenheim says. "We're not looking to do Justice League as our TV show. We're doing a show called 'Arrow,' which is about Oliver Queen. Anyone who comes into his world will be a supporting character. Those characters aren't supporting characters. Those are leads. So we'll be focusing more on supporting cast in the DC universe. People who come in and complement Oliver, not overtake him."
Guggenheim adds that the reasoning behind this comes from a very specific place. The realistic world and tone set by Christopher Nolan in The Dark Knight Trilogy. "Chris Nolan took Ra's al Ghul, somebody who in the comic books literally is immortal and has supernatural elements to his character, and presented him in a more grounded, realistic manner -- took his immortality and gave it a sort of real world twist in 'Batman Begins'," he says. "Same with Bane, who has superpowers in the comic books, is presented as just a man [in 'The Dark Knight Rises']." Do you guys think this is the right direction for the series? Sound off with your thoughts below.
(circa 2012)
>>83274891
>People who come in and complement Oliver, not overtake him
>>83274891
What a fucktard. There's a sizeable portion of Green Arrow's rogue gallery that have powers.
Just because your lead doesn't have powers doesn't mean they can't exist ever
>>83274891
>Anyone who comes into his world will be a supporting character.
>People who come in and complement Oliver, not overtake him.
>>83250553
The only show Arrow S3-4 fight choreography would be above is Walker: Texas Ranger, and even that is debatable.
>>83272218
It doesn't have enough viewers to support your claim, the show is shit and everyone knows it. Time Warner just lets it keep going since they know they can just sell Warner Brothers to Apple, Disney or Fox whenever they want.
>>83275142
>laurel
>best part
she went from unbearable to tolerable by having her role cut way down.
iZombie ends with the Umbrella Corporation showing up
>>83275200
Please, her character was finally coming into her own and she was an actual voice of reason rather than being an antagonist protagonist. Her role being cut down did nothing but harm her character, especially when her doing more could've cut down on a lot of bullshit, and especually when the second she died a random kid had a stronger "canary cry" than she did, just because.
>>83275277
I like how we're supposed to care about her when she was irrelevant for the entire season outside of Sara resurrection arc. Even fucking Thea had more importance than Black Canary.
>>83275277
She was better in season 4 than she was previous seasons because of the reduced role.
>>83274891
>Using Nolan's Batman movies as his inspiration
Holy shit I should've known from day 1 Arrow was gonna be utter shit.
>>83275127
PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS REAL
>>83268952
HaHahaha
>>83272848
Not true. In the finale iris says he will support Barry, no matter what he decides and she'll always be there. Unlike that felicity slut who clings on guys only when they got money.
>>83275358
She was better not so much because her role was reduced but because it was changed entirely. Once Felicity became the forced drama magnet Laurel was allowed to be an actual character and not just a collection of complaints.
>>83272767
>>83272421
I liked Tommy.
>>83260853
>Felicity cant
TIME TO GET THE PRIVILEGE CHECKER OUT
>>83276043
>all that wasted potential
I want to cry every time I see CW's Vandal Savage.
Under the right writers he could've made Reverse-Flash look like shit.
>>83276165
he was quite badass in the crossover though
>>83276673
Even there he was still pretty boring. It's just LoT made him outright pathetic.
>>83258420
Not reading comics, how do these sorts of things work in DC? Are big multiverse/timeline shenanigans all 'continuous' that is the original flash/hero is aware of all different events over the decades or does it act a hard reboot?
Just trying to understand how there's any semblance of stability if cataclysmic events or complete universe altering things just happen every odd year.
>>83274951
Count vertigo screwed over twice.
>>83278510
If Guggie and co wanted to make Vertigo a down-to-earth crime-lord so much, why not make him a head of a huge drug cartel who may or may not be nobility?
Bam, done.
It's not something unrealistic and is closer to a comic Vertigo than two street pill-pushing Ledger's Joker wannabes.
>>83272320
She's dead
>>83233337
We have a 3rd earth now, Atom Smasher could be a good guy there
>>83278620
The Joker and scarecrow rip offs were annoying.
>>83280852
What's funny is that Guggenheim's boner for Ledger's Joker forced him to turn Anarky into another rip-off who was every bit as annoying.Why is Arkham Origins the only adaptation to do Anarky at least some justice?
>>83275192
>It doesn't have enough viewers to support your claim
[Citation needed]
>>83265152
Nyssa best girl.
>>83280975
He got a great costume on Beware the Batman.
>>83233716
think you mean they noticed that their "most vocal" fans were the Tumblr shipping crowd
>>83232772
CUTE
>>83282312
DORKS
>>83281703
I agree with that, and I'll even go as saying he's fun to watch (much more than Arrow' Anarky who bores at best, annoys me at worst), but he's not really comic Anarky. He's totally-not-Joker.
Origins at least put an effort into making him a guy who was fed up with Gotham's corruption and decided to bring some positive change for the city and its people. His methods were retarded but that has more substance and closer to a comic Anarky than "I'm evil and crazy because chaos"
What if Slade wasn't talking to Oliver when he said "I keep my promises"?
He was talking to us.
First he takes away the woman we loved: Felicity and turned her into someone else something else.
Second he takes away everything we held dear: the badass black canary; Slade Wilson's intimidation; and finally Oliver's fighting skills.
Third he took away our great plots.
We are in complete despair.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=poll&id=424
Vote for Our Queen. Hail Smoak!
>>83268952
I could've sworn I saw an interview a few years ago with EBR saying that she doesn't think fans REALLY want Olicity to happen, and she just wanted it to stay mostly platonic
>>83280852
>>83280975
Yeah. Anarky screams Ledger-Joker. I'm just waiting for "You wanna know where I got these scars..."
>>83272918
It's terrible how perfect he would be and how it was botched.
>>83237846
She only appeared as a secretary because Marston wanted complete control over the character. So if he wasn't writting her, she couldn't be a major character.
>>83231006
But the Flash season finale was fucking terrible. And how would Flashpoint even work in a setting without batman and superman? The main points of that story was that Flash fucked up the timestream causing the government to find baby supes instead of the Kents, and Bruce gets murdered instead of his parents.
Without that, it would just be a contrived story about how Flash using time travel to save his mom is somehow *wrong* and *bad* despite her getting killed by a fucking time traveler in the first place.
>>83284258
>Replace Batman with Green Arrow
>Replace Superman with Supergirl/Exclude that plotpoint
I mean,They already established Robert Queen as Earth-2 Arrow.
>>83283989
For some reason i found himhotterwith those scars,new fetish get?
>>83284331
Yeah, but Earth-2 is really Earth-3, so he's more like Owl Arrow. I see your point though.
Also, I don't know if you can really replicate Kara as Clark for Flashpoint - he doesn't know her all that well and he has to remember that she may or may not be on his Earth. Plus she ain't the boy scout Clark is - her anger issues might very well explode.
>>83272421
>Due to Flashpoint Tommy gets revived.
>He kills Felicity
>He kills Malcolm
>>83248421
It'd be so easy too.
>Calculator starts spending time with Felicity because he's trying to be a decent father even if he's a crook
>Felicity begins to push the lines of morality to get shit done since team Arrow is so stretched, perhaps even putting inncocent people at risk because it's for the greater good and she trusts Ollie
>Parallels drawn between her and her old dead boyfriend
>Donna freaks out and confronts calculator after much drama
>Catfight ensues, Donna freaks and shoots him with Lance's gun in front of Felicity
>Felicity decides her mother is worth more to her than Lance and frames him using the skills she's established working in Team Arrow
>Everything goes to hell, Donna dies, Felicity is disgraced, her final scene in S5 is her identifying herself to the Network and taking over the mantle of Calculator.
The framework is already there.
>>83285043
>he thinks flashpoint will matter at all to arrow
Naw stuff will just be slightly different for a couple episodes and then go right back to normal when barry, again, accepts his mothers death.
>>83232347
Season 2 was hype breh. It all went downhill from there.
>>83232930
Fuck I forgot about Grundy! What the hell happened with that?
>>83285043
There are so many possibilities that will get squandered.
But since Flashpoint will take place over several episodes, it would be incredibly odd to show those changes in S5E1 of Arrow.
>>83285069
It'd be really out of character for her though. Even with all her shit.
>>83237611
I remember when in s2 Felicity was the hot one and everyone hated Laurel. Oh my how the tables have turned...
>>83282809
>Current Favorite DC Comics TV Hero
>DC Comics
>Hero
olicitards delusion
>>83285351
Wow you asshole he just died saturday. Show some respect.
>>83284258
>Not wanting Green Arrow Industries
>>83285532
>>83285423
Blame the hacky CW writers that don't know how to write women.
>wait what if we make her an addict?
>yeah it worked last year for thea and everyone loved that plot line
>okay what if we make pointless relationship drama and love triangles with every single time
>yeah yeah go
>oh how about we have her get really mad about liars and lying because daddy issues and have it be the focal point of the entire season
>YES DUDE YES
>>83285404
Is it though? Felicity has always valued her friends and family more than the bigger picture, and between nuking ten thousand people, her losing her company, the return of her not-actually-deadbeat dad, and her best friend dying there's set-up for her to snap and go darkside if they chose to take it in that direction.
>>83285532
>>83285583
>Season of Star City 2046 quality
Yes please
>>83279666
SHE ISN'T.
SOURCE ?
>>83286754
She died in season 2 and we saw her in season 3 flashbacks with Misao and Tatsu
>>83272702
>As was patty
Into the trash it goes.
>>83287629
This..
>>83287629
Hey. She was hot.
>>83233271
Swiftest kick in the balls I ever received
The CW uses hacking as a crutch way too much. There wasn't all that much of it in the first 2 seasons. Now it's a case of Felicity managing to do whatever the plot needs with a keyboard. The show was smarter than this. Imagine if Daredevil was on the CW.
>>83264784
>implying Merlyn wouldn't be the Trigon to Thea's Raven
>>83272813
That looks really good, but my autism can't get over the 3 really noticeable "this is where they probably cut" moments.
>>83251020
>>83251148
>>83250553
>tfw Arrow had fight scenes like this in season 1
Come to think of it, has the quality of cinematography in general declined on Arrow over the past few seasons?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvHUSU5IW9g
>>83291216
I miss Booty
>>83291708
I guess I could maybe live with that.
>>83291216
Nice.
>>83247676
TV budgets ruin everything
no cool superpower fights
no giant robots or anything like that for more than like 5 minutes max
even in flash and legends where you have a majority of the main cast having powers they barely use them
Gorilla Grod episode hes only in 3 scenes
Guy with a flashy power like shooting dick lazers ends up in fistfight
>>83295286
>this is what got kevin smith to watch the show
>>83295286
budget should not be an issue, especially for "realistic" show like arrow. just hire a choreograph who knows how to use the bow as a weapon would be sufficient, if shooting multiple arrows cost too much for vfx.
>>83291505
i don't know how much hacking is there in GA lore, but without it felicity is useless in the show. everything becomes hackable these days. how to break into a building? hack. how to steal something? hack. how to defeat the villain? double hack. i wish i had more time to binge watch S1 and S2 and see how ollie solved problem and compare them with now
>>83292708
I had a mini orgasm while watching that. WTF HAPPEN?
>>83295814
Grodd was what got me to watch
when I heard they were going full comicbook with a psychic gorilla I knew I had to tune in
>>83296098
Who needs good fights when you have are goddess felicity.
>>83295286
I guess you could say that episodeJUMPED THE SHARK
>>83292708
>that jump off the wall
>throws his bow into an enemy
>Daredevil ended up doing everything better
Like pottery.
>>83296152
haha me too! complete nerdgasm when he was on screen. like holy shit haha that gorilla talks WITH HIS MIND
>>83291216patty cake
Seriously, where were Darhk's master assassin fighting skills when he got his ass kicked on numerous occasions?
>>83272908
If the shoe fits. Kendra was the Felicity of Legends.
>>83287119
I don't remember. But Wikipedia says she was taken to prison.
>>83265171
He's the fucking hero we need.
Look at this stupid bitch
>>83233271
Every time I see her my stomach literally churns out of pure hatred.
>>83295814
Pretty sure he's been watching before that..
>>83265218
More likable than the one in the show.
>>83248645
Fucking Malcolm's hand! I was laughing for like a solid minute at the shitness of it.
>>83301846
No. He literally said King Shark is what made him start watching.
>>83302363
You'd think his friend would have taught him how to grow it back.
>>83265271
to be fair, that canary had actual powers. Arrow canary didnt have actual powers.
>>83302601
>How I met your hacker
lol
>>83301595
Those people are just toxic.
>>83302601
>Felicityville
Not even Smallville sank that low
>>83248421
This so damn much.
>>83248421
She already killed tens of thousands of people.
>>83265220
That would require someone to artistically care about Arrow again.
>>83301595
But I knew who manu bennett was before arrow...
>>83303593
So did a ton of people.
I knew him from spartacus personally. Me and a friend constantly joke about how arrow has a bunch of stars from spartacus.
>>83247726
>>83268677
>Nikita
Speaking of which, Percy was everything Darhk should've been.
Red arrow when?
Artemis when?
Roy clone when?batman when?
I feel like batman could appear on these shows, budget wise it would he easier to pull off a good batman if he wasnt in his own show, they could bust out the big bucks like a couple times a season to get him in and make it look good. But who would be the actor?
>>83303845
Jared padalecki
>>83303874
You mean Jensen Ackles.
>>83302777
They could have easily given her powers, but chose not too. They had a choice. they CHOSE wrongly.
>>83304328
Yep. I actually thought they were going to do that on the episode where she went to Central City with Ray.
I just found out that the Hawkman actor was Whiplash on Agents of SHIELD. You think he'll return now that he's off Legends?
>tfw no JSA casting announcements/news for anothee 2 or so months
>>83304328
i actually prefer her not being meta,and just use cisco tech progressively till it become as powerful as meta's power. but meta or not, it doesn't matter, guggie don't give a fuck to develop any female character not named Smoak. what happened to thea's bloodlust? should we care that her boyfriend dies? did dinah already killed herself?
>>83306080
>what happened to thea's bloodlust?
That random herb cured it I think.
>>83306080
Or she wears it and is around when the something happens with the particle accelerator or something.
>>83304049
Jensen Ackles playing an ASBAR type Bats.
>>83306572
>>83304049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQHPYelqr0E
>>83306637
Do it WB. Even if it's for one episode. Make him Batman of Earth-4. Screw the embargo.
>>83232318
Wait are you saying that's a good thing have you read court of owls it's fucking horrible
>>83306104
>That random herb cured it I think.
>Herbs cure bloodlust
>Herb tea brought back Ollie from the brink of death after being impaled and thrown from a cliff
Herbs too op.
>>83247676
God I hate how obvious Damien Darhk's body double is
Same goes for Malcolm's
I had hoped that Deathstroke would be a recurring villain for Arrow, sorta like how Reverse Flash will be a recurring villain for Flash. He was the villain of the week for an episode this season, and will have a part to play in Season 3 since we're going Flashpoint Paradox.
Hell, I would have been happy for Deathstroke to have been on the Suicide Squad. I was certain that's what Miranda Waller would have done, possibly even get some Mirakuru from Cyrus Gold's body (remember how that should have went somewhere but didn't?)
But we just got him being beaten by Thea, and now to the point where Manu hates the show.
>>83303822
Arrowette when?
>>83307377
i think malcolm should fit in that role, and i could actually see that. sadly, he's now just like an itch in the ass
Now that we're speaking about shit that could happen, I'd love to see midnighter fucking up arrow's suicide squad
>>83307497
Remember when people said that Thea would be Cheshire?
>>83307729
And Walter would be Black Manta?
>>83307926
Maybe he can come back now that Limitless is done.
>>83232772
Good God man, someone give him a hug. This is why TMNT needs to be good, he needs a fucking out
>>83250553
Season 1 was literal GOAT in so many ways, choreography and action included, after season 2 it went rapidly down hill: it's garbage now.
Why was Laurel so much hotter as Black Siren than she ever was as Canary?
>>83309999
Bad girls always are anon. Nice quads btw
>>83310120
The best thing about Killer Frost is that she was just doing a Captain Cold impression the whole time.
>>83309999
Because evil is sexy.
>>83309999
The Olicity Slayer
>>83302601
>"Arrow"
>>83264692
This is better than original.
Not a bad thread
>>83233611
Probably. Caity and her stunt doubles found both Black and White costumes incredibly uncomfortable and there'll be a new costume in S2.
>>83237846
As would eveyone else because that's fucking stupid.
>>83242686
>There is no Emily Bett, only Felicity. It's always been Felicity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Zdp1RfoyI
>>83233271
I don't understand how this happened.
>Felicity breaks up with Ollie and quits the team
>Mr. Terrific is being set up to replace her as the tech person
>Laurel is being really nice to Ollie, looks like they're setting up GA/BC
>Laurel dies
>everyone forgets Mr. Terrific exists
>the team disbands
>Laurel comes back
Stuff looked so promising...
>>83314931
Fuck, I meant Felicity in that last line.
>>83276165
Couldn't even give him the Mark of Cain baka
>>83295286
What? They did a full King Shark episode with one of the best fight scenes in it ever.
>>83309999
1) Evil is sexy
2) This costume actually showed off everything that's hot about KC, unlike the BC costume which somehow went out of its way to make her ugly
3) KC was happy and enjoying herself in this episode, kicking her up to a solid 10.
>>83316262
they also managed to integrate the fishnet at her sleeves, looks like a nice homage to me
>>83314272
>please retarded
kek
