Name one Marvel publication better than Watchmen.
Thunderbolts
Superior foes of spider-man, comics are supposed to be fun which superior foes arguably is the best at.
>>83000834
name one dc publication better than watchmen 1st
>>83000834
Silver Surfer by Dan Slott
>>83000924
Not the topic, retard. If you can't answer (I know you can't) then fuck off.
>>83001006
>>83000834
I can't believe marvel is bringing Watchmen to their main earth
Bendis is a hack
>>83000834
Marvel: Ruins.
>Rapeshit
>>83000834
Deadpool
>>83000834
Watchmen wasn't DC when it was first released. If OP wanted to companybait this hard, OP should have listed "The Dark knight Returns".
Also, I'm not gonna say they are better but I'd argue that "Born Again" and "Days Of Future Past" are up there in terms of quality.
And "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" is arguably influential as Watchmen
Also, OP, you're a retarded faggot.
>>83000834
Born Again was aight.
>>83000834
>reminder
>Zack Synder said he hates doing "highbrow" things which is why he decided to do Watchmen.
>>83001488
Miller DD Run, Death of Captain Marvel, late Lee and early Conway Spidey, God Loves Man Kills and Epic Comics are more influential and than Watchmen
Prove me wrong
>>83000834
Marvels?
>>83000834
Nextwave
>>83001488
The op was pretty straightforward. No mention of DC, nothing about influence or anything. Is there a Marvel publication better than watchmen?I really like Marvels, but when push comes to shove, I think Watchmen takes it, it has a better story, and stands alone much better than Marvels
>>83000834
Spider-Man One More Day
>>83001881
Actually, I think I should elaborate.
Nextwave and Watchmen are two sides of the same coin on what people see as a good book.
One is about the depth of a story and the other is about what's just fun to read.
Also think about this, both of them were not cannon, but when they both became cannon the fun one was welcomed with open arms and the deep one has caused a riot.
Moonshadow and Starstruck
>>83000834
Squadron Supreme
>>83000834
Miracleman
>>83000898
then it excels at being a deconstruction
>>83000834
The Ultimates. Fuck Watchmen. Ponderous, dull, pseudo intellectual pro rock concept album masturbatatory shite with a stupid ass vagina squid alien ending.
The Ultimates is full on energetic new wave punk rock comics stripped bare with no excess or bullshit and explosions. Fuck Moore. MILLAR BABY.
>>83002019
Fuck yeah, this nigga knows whats up. Epic Comics doesn't get anywhere near the respect they deserve. They were doing Vertigo a decade before Vertigo existed.
Marshal Law.
>>83001488
DOFP is total shit, God Loves Man Kills is better
>>83002047
this man knows
>>83001881
>>83001681
>>83002019
>>83002071
>>83002285
If I have to google them just to know what the fuck they are then they're obviously nowhere near as profound, popular, influential, or well-crafted as Watchmen.
Is this seriously the best you can do? kek
![portrait_incredible[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ipHZNRZ.jpg "portrait_incredible[1].jpg")
im gonna have to agree with op on this one. i can think of better graphics novels but they're definitely not marvel.
>>83002513
Can't.
>>83002513
>I don't know them, therefor they're not better
I mean, I know this is a bait thread, but c'mon.
>>83000898
New Frontier is better than that.
>>83001219
>>83001097
Here's to Blade coming back! As a strong teenage black fempire.
>>83001488
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I can't believe you're serious.
>>83002149
The Authority >>> Ultimates
DC bringing Watchmen into mainstream DCU is ass retarded. But we do need to stop holding Watchmen up as some fucking sacred cow. It's booooring. Anything by Millar, Ellis, or Ennis is more fun to read. Anything by Morrison makes you think more.
Also it's 30 years old ffs. It's zero reflection on current DC which is more like 90s Marvel pre bankruptcy and no one involved in that series is at DC anymore. Get over it DC faggots.
>>83002513
>being so casual you don't even know Born Again
This is the bait thread, innit?
>>83002835
;_____;
a bloo bloo bloo
muh movies
muh little indian girl is so cute
>>83002822
Authority was WildStorm and DC fucked it to the point its creators went Marvel exclusive and created the foundation for the MCU once DC bourght WS.
>>83002149
Are actually retarded?
>>83002432
It's a much more balanced and potent story.
>>83000834
Marvels
The Last Avengers Story
Earth X
God Loves, Man Kills
The Death Of Captain Marvel
oh, wait...you said one.
guess I fucked up.
Marvel Knights: Sentry
>>83002848
>not knowing some shitty Punisher comic makes you a casual
Haha ok kid. Sorry but I only read real comics, not the bland SJW pandering garbage that Marvel shovels down everyones throats.
I bet you haven't even read Sandman or Lucifer.
>>83002690
OP didn't specify graphic novels though. Watchmen isn't even a graphic novel in the first place so I'm not sure what your point is.
I wonder what the most popular comic book writer atm thinks about DC and Marvel... Hmm...
>To me, DC is Superman. DC is Batman. DC is Wonder Woman. DC is Swamp Thing, The Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, All Star Superman, The New 52 and The Court of Owls. DC is where the great comics get made. I’m honored and proud to be part of that tradition, and I’m going to do my best to deliver my best work ever. I can’t wait for people to see what’s coming.
>>83003217
Daredevil mate. It's a great comic. Not as great as Watchmen. But great.
>>83003217
Not knowing the Punisher from Daredevil does, in fact, make you a shitty casual.
>>83002835
> watchmen is boring
i completely disagree. i find most of the superhero shit boring (captain america, civil war, dark night, etc) but watchmen had so much more depth to it. its all why you're reading i guess.
> ellis
> watchman as sacred
well yeah if youre gonna compare it to trans metro or something then yeah its not gonna hold up. but thats not what op said. he just it was better than anything marvel and i would have to agree. please prove me wrong though. im looking for a new series
>DC bringing Watchmen into mainstream DCU is ass retarded.
completely. they're just clutching at straws at this point.
>Get over it DC faggots
not a fan of DC at all. judge each publications on its own merit
for the record, not op
>>83003217
>Born Again
>Punisher
Dammit I know it's bait but I'm still fucking triggered.
>>83003217
DC was great 1985 - 2005. But companies change and no one involved in that era is working there anymore. It's shit now bro.
Marvel has always been left wing and liberal. Comics to a degree also with Superman literally being the original Social Justice Warrior created by FDR supporting Jews in the Depression.
Both the big 2 are in a weird place currently but DC have a real talent problem and are more like 90s Marvel now than DC off their peak.
>>83003264
i would say thats semantics but okay ill give it to you. he technically didnt say graphics novels.
>>83003412
baka desu imo kmt at modern marvelers desu
you mo-marvs
>>83003285
Tom King is popular? M80, Sheriff of Babylon sells 5k monthly.
>>83003377
>DC was great 1985 - 2005
I'd say they stopped being great at some point in the 90's
>>83000924
Miracleman
>>83003468
wow really
what the fuck
but it's vertigos best title?
>>83003285
>Swamp Thing, The Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen, All Star Superman, The New 52 and The Court of Owls.
Two of these things are not like the others, Tim Tom.
>>83003479
And they started being good at 83, which definitely is something
>>83003512
>vertigos best title?
Not really high praise these days.
>>83003510
spat my juice out senpai thank you for that
>>83003449
ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER.
DO
YOU
SPEAK
IT?
>>83003512
Yeah, it barely sells, much like everything else good in this industry.
>>83003556
Sorry
>best title under DC and Marvel.
>>83000924
Moore's Swamp Thing is better than Watchman
>>83000834
Born Again. Probably the best thing to come from the Big Two.
>>83003301
>im looking for a new series
There are multiple great suggestions in this very thread. You really can't go wrong with anything from Marvel's Epic imprint from the 80s, but if you're looking for some specific ones, as mentioned by others in this thread:
>Moonshadow
>Starstruck
>Marshal Law
And I'd add The One and The Light and Darkness War to that. I don't think I'd say either of them are necessarily "better" than Watchmen, but they're both fantastic comics that are greatly overlooked.
If you're looking for straight superhero comics/non-Epic comics though then
>Squadron Supreme
>Miracleman
>NEXTWAVE
>Miller's Daredevil (as mentioned, Born Again in particular, but the full run is still fantastic outside of Born Again. Also worth reading Miller's Elektra: Assassin)
>Marvels/Marvels: Eye of the Camera
>>83003512
When has quality ever equaled sales?
>>83002432
DOFP is much better, it pretty much invented Terminator.
>>83002047
This guy gets it
>>83003672
alright anon im trusting you on this one
>>83002149
Banter aside, is The Ultimates really that good? Never really got into Marvel except for Born Again, and wanted to give it a shot.
>>83003663
This. Born Again is a masterpiece.
I like Watchmen a lot.
I'm going to enjoy posting this image.
>>83004125
Banter aside I honestly think The Ultimates vol 1 and 2 are that good. Millar and Hitch at the top of their game. It's the best movie you will ever read.
Born again would've been way more influential if bullseye showed up at the end instead of nuke and cut out all the captain America shit. Watchmens still better.
Born again ended with a fissle.
>>83000924
Watchmen is DC
>>83000834
Silver Surfer: Requiem
>>83000834
literally any of them
that things a pile of dogshit that only got popularity because it was riding on the wave of edginess of that time period.
>>83001789
>reminder
>Zack Synder said he hates doing "highbrow" things which is why he decided to do Watchmen
Sounds about right.
>>83004449
We're not talking about influence, we're talking about quality.
>>83002513
Dude, I fucking love Watchmen, and it's my favorite, but come on...
>>83007486
t. Marvel Shill
>>83007539
I like DC more than Marvel, though.
>>83007486
Come on what? Watchmen is the greatest superhero story ever told and marvel will never produce something of equal or greater quality.
>>83007946
Yeah, I said Watchmen is my favorite. My proble was with you saying
>If I have to google them just to know what the fuck they are then they're obviously nowhere near as profound, popular, influential, or well-crafted as Watchmen.
Little-known doesn't mean low quality.
>>83001488
The fuck you talking about.
It has a literally dc logo
>>83002941
irony
>>83003217
I only read Lucifer because I liked the tv show. Its a guilty pleasure
>>83000834
All Star Supermannah i'm just bluffing LMAO
>>83002804
>New Frontier
I don't think so
>>83009504
Wait, do you mean the original Lucifer or the new Lucifer? Because the original Lucifer is 10/10 but the new one is hot fucking garbage.
>>83000834
Watchmen was put out by DC
>>83000834
I'd struggle to name any publication better than Watchmen on its own, but that's arguably because Watchmen is very rare in the medium asuntil recentlyit was its own contained work.
The only comics I'd say are up there with Watchmen are Maus and Persepolis (that I've read). To me, Watchmen is very different to your standard great Marvel work, so it's hard to compare.
My best Marvel books/runs would be:
>original Secret Wars
>the new Secret Wars
>a lot of the Ultimate Universe titles, especially Millar, Hickman and Fialkov
>Marvels
and none of those are particularly cerebral
>>83012461
Nigga that ain't even the best Squadon Supreme comic.
>>83000924
Watchmen breaks things down. All-star superman builds them back up.
Alternatively I guess Pax Americana. I need to reread it sometime. It's incredible dense reading for me.
>>83000924
Batman Year One
Marvels
>>83004125
it's pretty much the inspiration for the MCU, if that's important to you.
>>83012641
Not really. Is it worth a read apart from that?
>>83012819
Yes, but you do need to keep in mind when this was made. 2002 may not feel like that long ago, but that post-9/11 era was unique, to say the least. Without that context, it may come off as needlessly edgy, but even then, it's still great.
Read Ultimates 1 and 2, then if you want to see what happens when everything goes absolutely off the rails, read Ultimate Avengers 1-3.
>>83012509
Well, I meant Supreme Power in general
Watchmen vs New Frontier vs All Star Superman.
>>83000834
Is it really fair to compare a deconstruction with normal comics
>>83000834
Marvels, Eyes of the Camera, The Marvel's Project, Earth X, Thundebolts, etc..
>>83014376
All Star New Watchmen.
>>83016857
You say that as if Marvel doesn't have deconstructions, too.
Hell, you say that as if Marvel wasn't doing Superhero deconstructions better a year earlier with Squadron Supreme. Watchmen is a better comic because of the art, attention to detail, and narrative structure but Squadron Supreme is still the better superhero deconstruction of the two.
And if you count Miracleman, then they have the better Moore superhero deconstruction too. Again, the art holds it back from being the better comic, but the plot, characters, and superhero deconstruction elements are also stronger there than in Watchmen.
I love watchmen. Got a tatt of the button. It got me back into comics in the early 2000s when I figured I was done with that shit. So I'm a fan of the book and go back and reread it every year at least.
That being said...I'd put the six issue run on moon knight from Warren Ellis as superior comic craft.
Those six self contained yet clearly connected. utterly unique stories are each marvelous in every respect. As a character study, as a piece of art' as a showcase of pacing, as a piece of a theme.
This stories blew me away and made me realize comics could still be this amazing jaw dropping and I daresay magical thing without getting overly meta or bogged in symbolism and trying to put a message before the narrative.
Electra Assassin
Uncanny 303
>>83017554
>Why can't I kill you
>I'm not real
Fucking kidding me!?
Reminder that Rooney still likes BvS
>>83017691
I know, that scene was great.
>>83000924
I liked V for Vendetta more, though I was introduced to it through the film and they butchered the characters and, by extension, a lot of the major themes of the story.
V had interesting colors and pretty good art, though strict realism gets boring after awhile because it looks like a movie. Watchmen also went for realism, but it was less precise and had more noticable black accents, which made it look more muddied. Then there was the fact that the paneling is outright boring, with everything being uniform nearly the entire series. The pacing, because of that, is actually really wonderful, and I feel the colorist did an excellent job with his alternating color schemes between panels. But it was simply not engaging, and it took me awhile before I actually started reading past the first chapter.
V was more accessible and enjoyable, but I don't think it was any less meaningful.
>>83017554
Thanks for the high quality scan.
Anyone know the name of that watchmen comic where rorschach's name was nutsack?
>>83017731
Good taste desu
