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http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/20/warning-dc-universe-rebirth-1-spoilers-leak-on-reddit-and-you-wont-believe-dc-comics-has-gone-there/
<-- SPOILER is responsible for the new 52
>>82970784
Holy fucking shit, this sounds incredible. JSA'S BACK BITCHES
It didn't even occur to me he was responsible for the New 52, I was too busy being assblasted about the idea of them in the DC universe. Oh fuck this is either awesome or shit. No in between.
>>82970784
Holy shit. This is going to be GOAT or fucking Amazons Attack
>>82970784
This is so weird.
Oh man, if DC fucks this up it could actually kill them as a company. On the other hand, if they pull it off it's going to be one of the greatest things ever.
this is good news
>>82970784
This is why Alan killed Cooke and why he will eventually dissolve DC with poor Frank's life force.
Let's all celebrate the death of art in dc. Fuck a piece of literature remaining in it's plot. Dig it up we need the bones for phosphorus. It's all just fodder for the cash machine. "Leave the story be?" but that won't generate hype for this crossover and we need people to buy buy buy. We own you now shut your fucking mouth and produce money.
>>82971387
welcome to comics
>>82971387
Lol missed before watchmen kiddo? Mommy and daddy not get you a computer until you turned 13 last year?
>>82971387
I heard that drinking your own cum might cure you from your sadness.
Johns is an absolute madman. I'm on board.
>>82971488
Nigga I'm 34. I bitched like this when death of superman first hit shelves
>>82971188
>if DC fucks this up it could actually kill them as a company
Please explain how this could kill them as a company.
>>82971533
Gay.
>>82971387
Tell me about it.
>>82970784
This is the last person I expected. He did nu52? How and why?
I'm so happy the JSA is back
I don't even care about Watchmen or Wally
>>82971344
I known Wally was coming back.
>>82971627
Good to know you stuck with them.
Watchmen in dc continuity. Did they consult Dan slott on this idea? "Hey Dan what would you do for your readers if you were here at dc?"
>>82971721
it's likely meta referencing how Watchmen seeded this dark age of comics that we haven't escaped yet
>>82971783
I bet Johns called Morrison about this.
Is it ACTUALLY him or is it the version Grant wrote in Multiversity?
>>82970784
This is so far beyond the usual DC stupidity that I can't even hate it. They'll do something to sour me on it within the first month, I'm sure, but I'm actually a bit optimistically curious about where they go with this.
>>82971627
so you have no backbone or any personal integrity. Nice.
>>82971767
They probably went with the marvel method.
Piss off their audience, make money.
>>82970987
>I was too busy being assblasted about the idea of them in the DC universe. Oh fuck this is either awesome or shit. No in between.
Well, it's said that he "stole" something from the DCU, so I could work ifsomeone goes to the Watchman universe and see a perfect super hero world, were everyone is happy, Roarchac is just a regular vigilante, Silk Specter is a actress by day/heroine by night and Night Olw is a tragic, but otherwise normal Batman character. This happend because Doc stole something from the DCU that gave it a "the heroes always win" attitude to it
Then multiverse shit happens, and the magic is lost, and thenDocgoes full
https://youtu.be/U0qMNe34ZaM?t=121
>>82971344
IN WALLY WE TRUST
>>82971841
That would fit. Morrison probably doesn't give a shit about upsetting Moore too and would talk Geoff into it if he had doubts.
>>82971846
>optimistically curious about where they go with this.
Nowhere but down mate then STATUS QUO. Then White Wally will die saving Black Wally.
>>82971344
Based Geoff
>Watchmen ends with him saying he thinks he'll create life
>he is the hand at the beginning of creation that created the DC multiverse
>he also famously said nothing ever ends
>his other hand is the empty hand that never lets it end
What the fuck?
>Doctor Manhattan is responsible for Nu-Harley
You fucking monster.
Guess they realized there could be two Wally West given how there are two Spider-Man and two Captain America....wait no that doesn't make sense.
>>82972121
You mean like how they have two Karas. He will probably get a new codename and costume like with that.
>>82972019
So it was Dr. Manhattan's hand that Krona saw at the beginning of time?
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/mar/19/alan-moore-jerusalem-spring-2016-publication
Thursday 19 March 2015
Alan Moore’s Jerusalem builds to spring 2016 publication
The novel is said to explore the small area of Northampton where Moore grew up, ranging from his own family’s stories to historical events to fantasy, with chapters told in different voices. The author told the New Statesman that there would be a “Lucia Joyce chapter, which is completely incomprehensible ... all written in a completely invented sub-Joycean text”, while another chapter would be written in the style of a Samuel Beckett play, and a third would be “a noir crime narrative based upon the Northampton pastor James Hervey, whom I believe was the father of the entire Gothic movement”.
He told the BBC that the “middle bit” is “a savage, hallucinating Enid Blyton”, and the Guardian that the last “official chapter” was being written “somewhat in the style of Dos Passos”.
Why does Alan Moore copy other people's styles so much in his next book?
>>So I asked around and was told that, yes, they are genuine and that the comic states that Doctor Manhattan was directly responsible for the existence of the New 52.
Never before have I hoped this hard for Bleeding Cool to be severely misinformed, or to be using knock-off merchandise.
>>82972204
>There are three Jokers.
What?
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>Watchmen is now part of DC regular continuity
I can't think of how many ways they need to fuck over Watchmen's story to make it work. At a certain point it even stops being Watchmen and just becomes AU versions of Watchmen characters that have entirely different histories for the most part and when it becomes that you have to wonder why bother integrating them at all? Hell it basically saved Ozymandias's ass because there really are aliens that can invade the earth. My head just blew up.
>>82972244
That is the stupidest fucking thing.
It is better just be the christian god or something. Doctor Manhattan? Fucking seriously?
>>82972289
That was the full spoiler post. Wally, JSA, 3 Jokers, and Watchmen.
>>82972244
That would be yes. Assuming the press about rebirth is right.
>>82970784
>>82971783
What's the point in that when comics will continue to hamfistedly attempt genuine pathos with grown men in tights after this rebranding, though? Just seems like shallow fanservice for continuity nerds.
>>82972244
It was him all along.
>>82972301
It's not part of regular continuity any more than Gotham by Gaslight is, mongoloid.
>>82972308
The Anti-Monitor tried to retcon himself in during COIE
>>82971188
Disneyfag pls.
>>82972301
>it's ok when multiversity did it
>>82972350
was there not a panel in watchmen similar to this with Dr Manhattan's hand?
>>82972342
To give a villain to the story and a reason for the current state of things in-universe.
DC always explains their retcons in stories like this. They don't just change things.
This smells of just WANTING a controversy.
I mean, there are hundreds of characters that could have taken Manhattan's place in this whole mess, but they had to even turn this into a thing?
>>82971689
Because I was paid to say so
>>82972340
Man, you are xenos arent you ?
>this thread
>>82972355
>>multiverse
>>82972428
He's gone this far without mentioning how much he loves it when his trans girlfriend fucks him in the ass, so probably not,
>>82972308
I don't even think Manhattan is capable of doing this.
>yfw The Joker rapes Batman with a cigar in his mouth.
>>82972413
I like it just being "The hand of the nameless god".
He shouldn't need a name because he is fucking THE GOD! It ruins the whole thing.
>>82972481
Gordon we know that's you, fuck off
>they seriously think Wally is coming back
>implying he isn't here just to facilitate nigger Wally to try and get him over with fans
You fags never learn
>>82972458
Yes that's exactly the point. You know what else is part of the multiverse? The actual Earth you exist in.
>>82972403
But how does the metatextual message enhance that story? We've already done this whole "poorly written adult superheroes poisoned the industry" song and dance before, hell, I think Morrison has done it at least twice.
>>82970784
Why didn't they use this guy?
WE WATCHMEX NOW
>>82971387
Is this what bait has been reduced to?
>>82972525
Batman vs Not Doc Manhattan won't sell
>>82972528
SON OF A BITCH
>>82972525
He doesn't sell Tshirts and lunchboxes.
>>82972428
No. I just heard about this. I was busy looking for a proper reaction image from my phone.
I am not the only crybaby who hates on DC around here.
>>82972525
>Implying that isn't Doctor Manhattan
>>82972522
It directly villainizes the change as wrong. How does it not enhance the story?
We don't know if it's done well until we read it of course, but come on.
>>82972350
>guardians are the oldest beings
>they're blue
Fucking Johns man.
>>82972485
But he only created the New 52
>>82972525
>wah wah i'm mad they using manhattan
>why don't they use someone who is basically him
retard baby
>>82972246
that seems like an interesting concept. i think hes trying to show that there are many different things that can happen in your life
>>82971033
i think it's amazons attack
>>82970784
this is like marvel-tier bad
>>82972164
Can't they call one black Wally and one white Wally?
>>82972738
they could but people could get mad
>tfw white Wally adopts black Wally because Barry is a negligent asshat
>>82972728
>DC using characters within their universe to do things that make sense both in character and feed into the story
>somehow as bad as Marvel
literally how
>>82972602
Because the symbology falls really flat once you realize the characters will continue being jerks and losers, as history has shown?
>Dr. Manhattan created the new DC universe
This is so batshit crazy and out of left field. I love it.
>>82972072
Dear god I love you
>>82972525
Johns doesnt want to use any of Morrison's concepts.
>Dr. Manhatter is the blue hand at the start of creation.
The scary thing is that this fits within established DC lore.
BRB rereading Watchmen.
Remember when Pandora created the new 52? Nah fuck that.
>>82972828
I don't think that really changes the meaning of the story though just because it won't pan out.
>>82972875
I don't think he created the DC universe, just the New 52
>>82970784
It's shit and you know it Rich fuck off you fuck.
>>82972121
Yeah because Superfirl and Powergirl don't exist.
>>82972811
>self-contained deconstruction of cape fiction with a clear-cut beginning and end gets shoehorned into sales gimmick for struggling company
what a genius move
Still waiting for one of the people that're loosing their shit to explain exactly why the Watchmen thing is so bad?
>>82972876
>Didio: Hey remember how Pandora released evil with her box? Let's make a story.
>Johns: Nah fuck that. We Earth 3 story now!
>Didio: Remember how Pandora made nu52?
>Johns: Nah fuck that Dr. Manhattan
Based Cereal King
It's funny because this isn't the first time the JSA were sidelined or written out of a universe because they weren't thought to be relevant or popular enough.
And they just keep coming back anyways.
>>82972971
>m-muh artistic integrity
>muh sacred cow
that's basically it
>>82972971
Because Watchmen exists to pull apart the very things DC shovels out on a monthly basis.
>>82972876
Remember when people gave a shit about Pandora?
No you don't. Because no one ever did
>>82973004
it failed to do that though
may as well get some mileage out of it
>>82970784
This is just sad.
>>82970784
>dc-universe-rebirth-1-spoilers-leak-on-reddit
I just went to reddit and nothing is there.
>>82973004
If anything that makes the whole thing better
>Work made to criticize an entire genre
>Gets absorbed into it
>>82973095
https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/4kagn8/guys_i_just_read_dc_rebirth/
>>82973095
It was here: https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/4kagn8/guys_i_just_read_dc_rebirth/
The guy got banned
How much bitching will Brandon Graham do?
>>82973095
Oh my god its almost as if mods remove spoilers! BIZARRE.
>comic shops open at midnight
>midnight on the doomsday clock
>Dr. Manhatten responsible for nu52
This might just be so crazy that it'll work.
>>82970784
This sounds amazing if only for how much it's going to piss off Alan Moore
>Wally West
>Savior of the multiverse
>>82973127
>>82973141
Why was it removed? It is marked as spoilers?
>>82972983
I am sure Johns fought tooth and fucking nail against their removal in the first place. I was sure first crisis he'd squeeze the group back in.
Does this mean Jade and Obsidian are back too?
>>82973194
eh, he's always pissed off
3 Jokers
Pre-Crisis, Post Crisis, and New 52?
>>82973220
>Does this mean Jade and Obsidian are back too?
He might not have been able to bring that much history back. Seems like Wally is the only one from his family getting here at least.
>>82973244
DCAU version maybe?
Arkham games?
>>82973229
>>82973199
Didn't a writer say years ago that they pitched an idea about Wally being stuck outside time itself as he struggled to rescue his wife and kids from the changing world?
>>82972738
What if everyone just called you White Stormy?
From trying to streamline the DC universe and make it accessible to making it into a bigger clusterfuck than it's ever been in a few short years. Bravo.
>This is the last comic Cereal Lord will write for some time
>He said fuck it and went all out
>>82973199
>Wally West
>Becoming DC's Shadowcat and just as cancerous
Jesus fucking christ.
>>82973301
You mean...there's a Black Stormy...?
>>82973244
Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, and Joker's Daughter
>>82973303
And people actually thought Rebirth would be good
So, after Rebirth has settled in, who will be in charge of which titles? Will they let Morrison finish his Bat-epic? Will Geoff go back to GL? Will Waid come back? I kind of want Gaiman to be put in charge of an ongoing.
>>82973303
Johns never wanted the reboot. You have to be absolutely ignorant to think that. They finally let him lash out and fix shit.
>>82973264
Jade and Obsidian are Alan Scott's children.
Jade is a Green Lantern and true love of Kyle Rayner, and Obsidian is the gay son Alan Scott needed to learn to accept.
If you mean Irey and Jai I really doubt we're going to see them anytime soon. And that's a shame.
>>82973303
>streamline
where are you getting that horseshit? They're bringing back things that weren't in N52 And going back to old backstories
>>82973244
Hey I just realized a deck of cards has 52 playable cards plus 3 jokers.
>>82973346
I thought Morrison DID finish his Batman run?
>>82973364
I was talking about New 52
>>82973324
Why did this gif make me laugh?
>>82973329
No it's Joker, Harley, and Joker's Daughter.
>>82973381
>52 pick up
>>82973381
HYPERCRISIS
>>82973360
>Jade is a Green Lantern and true love of Kyle Rayner
>>82973405
>Joker's Daughter
She's dead Jim. Shot through the head by Jason.
>>82973392
Only execs wanted New 52. Rebirth is editorial letting writers fix it.
>>82973229
how many levels of irony you on anon?
>>82973324
Lol. Wally's waaaay better than Shadowcat. His history alone justifies this decision.
>>82973460
>he didn't read the very next issue of RH&A
you got tricked
>>82973492
Well shiiiiiit.
>>82973401
Because deep down you are a filthy cock slut.
>>82973329
>>82973405
Bruce specifically asked for Joker's identity, not about his copycats
>>82971387
>expecting creativity from non-Vertigo DC or non-Icon Marvel
>ever
>>82973460
>>82973506
>tfw you're waifu lives
feels real goodman
>>82973460
she survived, killed the medics in the ambulance that picked her up, and ran off
>>82971033
Amazon's Attack wasn't that bad.
Damn, Reddit banned the guy who posted the Rebirth spoilers
>>82973516
I always read Ultron in James Spader's voice now.
It works really well, even in the old-school comics.
>>82973521
If JL 50 wasn't delayed we'd already know everything and wouldn't have to fight about it.
Where's that shitty redditor and why didn't they just come where to leak everything?
>>82973516
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck, why is Ultron so great. Why did they have to fuck him over in the movie.
>>82973592
One of the mods banned him for at least a week, I'm sure a retailer or scanbro will post more spoilers Monday though
>>82973516
>Because deep down you are a filthy cock slut.
>>82973436
I'm not the Star Sapphire who showed him the magical love ritual alright. I like Sora and Fridge Girl too but his heart doesn't want them.
>yfw Wally dies in this arc already
>>82973580
more evidence that leddit is awful
>>82973206
Ask the uptight mods. Though it probably has something to do with how it hasn't been released yet.
>>82973580
>not leaking stuff on the anonymous image board 4chan
>>82971894
I have a deal of both which is why I'm against this shit and I'm putting off dc for good until John's is no longer associated with dc. How about your backbone and integrity? What'll it make you do...continue consuming regardless of the company's actions?
>>82973636
That's what he gets for posting his leaks on a shit site.
>>82973521
Harley was created by Joker using the same process, so she's literally another Joker. Joker's Daughter wears Joker's face and appropriated his identity; it could be that Joker's Daughter had his identity imprinted on her as some kind of memetic virus.
Three Jokers.
Maiden, Mother, and Bro-ne
>>82973229
shut the fuck up old. Don't you got a pregnant spider woman comic to read?
>>82972244
>>82972350
It actually fits pretty fucking well.
>>82973690
But then he wouldn't get any imaginary internet points.
>>82970784
Fascinating. Sort of surprised that they didn't do it sooner.
It's always been a sacred cow in DC totouch Watchmen because of its legacy. But when those prequels were made, we sort of knew that it would be a matter of time before the next step.
>>82973303
New 52 was about trying to make movie pitches, anon. Brand synergy and all that jazz. This is a move away from that.
>>82973482
They both have storied histories.
They are both darlings to their universes.
They both have cancerous fanbases.
They both have creators that reallly want to fuck them.
Kitty saved us all.
Wally will save us all just you wait anon.
>>82973727
>>Harley was created by Joker using the same process
Not really replying to you but I'm still salty about this. This is literally the worst origin for her. Why the fuck would they retcon a great origin for "lel female Joker"
>>82972962
And nobody gets this. That this is the issue. That dc has no art anymore just prospective cash registers.
>>82973833
Kitty has a fanbase? I thought they were all chased off at this point?
>>82973743
CEREAL LORD STRIKES AGAIN
>>82973877
>Comic companies
>Integrity
When has any comic company ever had integrity about anything?
>>82973833
>wally
>cancerous fanbase
You take that back
>>82973868
Because movies
>>82973727
>Harley was created by Joker using the same process, so she's literally another Joker. Joker's Daughter wears Joker's face and appropriated his identity; it could be that Joker's Daughter had his identity imprinted on her as some kind of memetic virus.
>Three Jokers.
>Maiden, Mother, and Bro-ne
That wouldn't surprise Bruce though. He wouldn't go "3 Jokers and one is Harley, my god" He specifically asked for Joker's identity, no bs.
>>82974064
What if Harley was the real Joker all along?
>>82974064
I'm really interested in how this works.
It hammers Joker down a bit too much however for my taste.
>>82973959
Why does he like a dirty racist like Kitty Pryde so much?
White Wally is probably just a cameo. Black Wally has been heavily promoted as the Kid Flash in a few Rebirth books (Flash, Teen Titans).
I like it.
>>82973924
How many years did dc abstain from this shot? No saints obviously but come on...people are saying "well dc owns it so it's okay" so you know what. Next time and old character gets written horribly out of character and people bitch about it shitting on the writers who made that character what they were....oh well who cares right. Dc owns em let em do as they please. I mean they weren't perfect saints forever so let's sit back and eat the slop cos whatever who cares?
>>82973743
it does actually
>>82971387
>This whole post
So what exactly is Dr. Manhattan responsible for? The New 52 or everything since COIE?
Batman, now you're going to have to rape three Jokers.
>>82974252
Mass Effect: Andromeda
Did people react this way when DC folded in the Vertigo stuff like Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, and Sandman? Or the Milestone and Wildstorm stuff?
Or are Watchmen fans just the biggest faggots?
>>82974174
It's sad that DC has battered us Wally fans so badly that there's still doubt like this. The leaker said Wally would be the Titans leader and we know from the solicits that black Wally is getting a mysterious speedster mentor in Flash. They only promoted black Wally so much so that when this happened no one could claim that they were pushing him aside.
I mostly just hope that it's not a sendoff arc like what the Superman books seem to be doing (my guess is that new 52 Superman comes back in about a year there). I hope they can coexist together in the long run.
>>82974296
It's just Marvel fans.
>>82974243
Tell that to my mother. Even if she sees brief flash of top of woman's breast or woman in underwear she goes full autist
heck even if it's a guy's ass she goes full autist
>>82974174
He's not just a cameo.
Titans and Flash have a spoiler character and Barry is not the one teaching Black Wally about his powers.
Titans Hunt also ended with Dick flat out saying there is another member that they're forgetting, followed by a panel featuring a lightning strike.
It's been pretty obvious though. They want to win fans back they need to bring back the fan favorite that got fucked over the hardest.
>>82974296
yes, but also still yes
As long as we get a real life Saturday Morning Watchmen out of this, I'm happy.
>darkseid dead
>antimonitor dead
>grail mary stu fated to fade to obscurity
>steve trevor antilife
>this shit
To the writer who has to clean this shit up: JUST
I think everyone's missing the obvious with the Watchmen reveal.
Doctor Manhattan never had the Comedian's button. Rorschach did.
Rorschach is somewhere in the DCU, probably teleported there when he was zapped by Manhattan at the end of the story.
>>82974406
possibly but you're assuming it didn't just fall in through some multiversal portal too
>>82974406
Oh god, imagine the wanking that's gonna happen for that. We're gonna be begging for the days of Bat-God.
>>82974406
here's the thing.What if.... THE JOKER IS THE COMEDIAN?
>>82974406
Will Rorschach be imbued with the power of plot armor due to being a fan favorite character?
>>82974296
Those Vertigo titles were more or less always DCU. They just didn't directly interact with the world at large a lot. Swamp Thing probably crossover the most at first, Hellblazer did once the series got a bit more settled, and I haven't read Sandman but I've read the JL crossover.
Wildstorm was saving a dead brand, Milestone brings a lot of good heroes in the DCU with little to no real effort.
I should be angry about Watchman but this seems really interesting and they were already part of the Multiverse so not really that big a deal.
>>82974440
>>82974462
How will they stop Rorschach from killing the Joker? Will his preptime be enough to go against Batgod's preptime?
>Flashpoint restarted the universe
>Rebirth will restore it
>Barry Allen was responsible for FP
>Wally seems to be responsible for Rebirth
>The reverse
>Wally is back in his Kid Flash costume
>Kid Flash shares colors with Reverse Flash
BRUCE NO IT'S A TRAP
>>82974533
rape obviously
>>82974533
That's why there are three Jokers no
>>82974296
Watchmen being a direct criticism of superheros is the problem, as far as I can tell. Shoving Watchmen into Big Event #14213 goes against everything the comic book stands for.
No Superhusbando Prime is a little disappointing teebeeaitch
>>82974612
He shows up at the end merged with Brainiac
>>82974591
DC took away Watchmen's integrity when they decided to make a big-budget action movie out of it.
>>82974612
nah prime already reached his peak it would just be rehashing old primetime stuff this is for the better
>>82974612
the reddit dude did say the last page had a big surprise but didn't say it, so maybe?
>>82974639
but I wanted him to finish his arc and redeem himself ironically by punching things right
>>82974636
That goes without saying (and forget about Before Watchmen). DC doesn't need to keep raping the corpse though.
>>82974406
Honestly, I'll be surprised if they have the balls to even show any of the characters in one panel at best. DC's probably too daunted with Before Watchmen's failure to do anything but flash the smiley button as a sort of wink-wink-nudge-nudge thing.
They won't do anything with Rorschach because they'd be too afraid of fucking up such an iconic character. Look what we got in Before Watchmen and tell me I'm wrong.
On a scale of 1 to 10,how pissed off will Alan Moore be?
>>82974591
Watchmen lost its relevance as an anti-Superhero book decades ago.
>>82974663
>Empty Hand is the readers of the DCU
>Manhattan is the Hand of Creation
>Prime was exiled to our world
>Prime is a reader of the DCU
>Prime is the Empty Hand, just as all of us are
>>82974636
Watchmen was never an anti-Superhero story, no matter how much Moore tries to pretend it was. It was ABOUT superheroes.
>>82974705
> -616
He won't give a shit.
>>82974711
Explain.
>>82974591
Unless the point is to show that it's net effect on comics has been negative, and cynical.
>tfw Dr. Manhattan left the earth to recreate reality in the end of the watchmen movie
>yfw Synder or Johns will try to tie the Watchmen to the creation to the DCEU
Cap this immediately
>>82974702
If they were afraid Doc wouldn't have created the universe and they wouldn't tease at Rorschach.
You can't let one failure scare you off for life. If they did Batman never would have had anything past Batman & Robin, or Wonder Woman would have vanished after Amazon's Attack.
I don't really think Watchman should be touched but nothing's stopping them. Certainly not one failed attempt a few years back.
>>82974803
Johns is doing this to shit on Snyder though, pay attention.
>>82973206
Because it's reddit, and they are jews.
>>82974771
Not the guy you replied to, but Watchmen hasn't really aged well. It's definitely a story about the times, and there's nothing wrong with that, but in the yeats since it's come out we've had dozens and dozens of other stories that have handled its themes and said what it said and did it all just as good if not better.
It was the first real deconstruction of the genre so it deserves respect, but it's not really relevant anymore when cape culture as a whole now is dedicated to deconstructing superheroes.
Welp im fuckin done
thanks dc, gonna quit on ya so easily like when mavel
>>82974775
Whoever thinks that would need to misunderstand Watchmen and not realize that its imitators are the villains of this situation.
If one wants to critique the rise of cynicism in cape comic books, mayhaps they should take a shot at Rob Liefeld or X-Saturation.
>>82974904
Why exactly? Genuinely curious.
>>82974917
It inspired the imitators though, that makes it responsible
>>82974924
>Muh Watchmen
It's obvious anon, read the thread. Suddenly /co/ loves Watchmen
Hey you people throwing a fit show me your copy of Watchmen. Cause I own it and don't see a problem with this at all.
>>82971344
god, wally fags are cancer. There needs to be a separate containment board for you fucks.
>>82974924
One More Day
>>82974064
The real Joker is a campy harmless Romero version.
Gordon goes back in time to disguise himself as a worse Joker. He kills Jason. Shots his own daughter, And then asks Batman to rape the Joker, now that he crossed the line.
>>82974902
>but it's not really relevant anymore when cape culture as a whole now is dedicated to deconstructing superheroes
Doesn't that mean that Watchmen is more relevant than ever? Seeing as how the comics industry has yet to let go of mixing maturity and superheros (rather than making mature works that don't feature men in tights) Watchmen is just as current, at least in my eyes. But then again, this is just how I feel about the issue, so ymmv.
Also, what stories would you say have done Watchmen better than Watchmen? I'm honestly curious.
>>82974805
watchmen's a little different because of its cred. it's built up this holy grail reputation and moore's opinion has only solidified that. add the polarizing reaction to the movie which still divides fans to this day, and the abysmal shitstain that was before watchmen, and you have this sort of universal agreement that it's too sacred to be touched by anyone but moore.
i don't agree with that at all. i think a good writer can make any premise work, but the fact remains that dc would be facing an enormous amount of pressure to make things work, and they probably wouldn't be up to it so they'd just play it safe.
>>82974975
>tfw my copy is digital
>>82974803
Man, is Ben destined to become a bara in every timeline.
>>82974975
>no true Scotsman
>>82974406
I hope to God this happens, not even trolling.
Seeing him go up against the Batfam would be the dumbest, funniest thing in the world.
>>82974992
>Gordon goes back in time to disguise himself as a worse Joker. He kills Jason. Shots his own daughter, And then asks Batman to rape the Joker, now that he crossed the line.
Gordon wanted Batman to rape himself all along
>>82974902
Watchman deconstructs superheroes in that it shows them as flawed people instead of perfect heroes but I never got a sense that it was outright "anti-superhero" like many here are claiming.
>>82974962
/co/ have always loved watchmen... They hate the movie and before watchmen
So is Johns saying that Rorschach is the Joker?
>>82970784
the question is, did anyone saved the pics from the Reddit thread? BC only has like 3 or 4
>>82973566
I am shocked Duela is the waifu of someone
I'm gonna blame this on Zack Snyder too
>>82975219
I must have missed something, did Gordon actually ask Batman to rape the joker in a story recently or is this just a meme?
>>82975334
He only had the pictures that BC reposted
I want them to send comedian back in time and it's really him who shoots batman parents. Cos fuck it why not
>>82975377
It started with the constant "why won't you just kill the Joker" roleplaying threads and just kind of escalated into its own canon
REVIEWS ARE COMING OUT WITH SPOILERS!
>http://www.newsarama.com/29406-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-with-spoilers-10-10.html
>>82975383
But if we go off of BvS, the Comedian and Maggie from Walking Dead are Bruce's parents.
>>82975426
with the cat out of the bag I guess they decided there's no point in playing coy and let reviewers publish early
>10/10
getting worried now it won't live up to expectations
>>82975383
>>82975442
>The Comedian gets sent back in time to kill the Comedian from the future who had a son from the past
>>82974975
I only have the Mexican edition
>>82975426
I'm Hyped, dammit.
Bravo, DC managed to actually shock me.
Doesn't this prove Moore right? He criticizes the Big 2 for being incestuous when it comes to storytelling, and now here we are.
>>82975366
>>82975521
Yeah but he's guilty of it himself so who cares? Read the story or don't. Not a big deal either way.
>>82973743
>boxes
>>82975426> “Everything’s going to be all right.”
>“Yeah? And how do you know that?”
>“Because I’ve seen the future.”
>DC Comics has called Geoff Johns’ 80-page showcase a Rebirth, but that’s not the right word for this potent, optimistic work. Rebirth is a reclamation, not just of the DC Universe’s history, but of its heart and soul. It’s a repudiation, a first step towards casting out the darkness and cynicism that has infected the DC Universe for decades. It’s a return to form for one of the industry’s most prolific writers, and a recognition of all the things that DC Comics needs to change… and a reminder of all the things about DC we need to remember most. With its stirring characterization serving as the launchpad for a salvo of new comics, DC Rebirth Special is a love letter to DC’s past that will leave current and lapsed fans alike feeling optimistic about the future to come.
>Over the course of his career, Geoff Johns has had a tailor’s sensibility when it comes to characterization and high concept — a waste-not, want-not attitude that used the scraps of the stories that can before and transformed them into new and fantastic concepts. But since the New 52 has begun, that history has been lost — and Johns aims to get it back here. Using the return of the pre-New 52 Wally West as both his narrator and his authorial proxy, Johns makes some fairly pointed commentary about DC’s shortcomings over the years: “He doesn’t remember me,” Wally says, trying in vain to get someone, anyone from this brave new DC Universe to listen to him. “The connection isn’t strong enough.” It’s a statement many skeptical readers might find themselves nodding with. DC Comics has always used its history to establish a connection with its readership, and without it, the characters aren’t the ones we know — despite decades in the public eye, these American icons have become largely unrecognizable.
>But not for long — not if Johns has anything to say about it.
>>82974199
The only reason people will dislike this is Moore and his whole baggage with DC and his opinions about Super Hero comics and etc, If it had been any of the several God Like beings featured in, let's say, Sandman, no one would mind, some would even think it's pretty cool, but to do more and the way he got screwed over the rights and how people like to say DC "abuses" the Watchaman IP, this will be a source of needless controversy and ammon for many of the smug indiefags in the board to claim it was just a corporate mandate to push of a Watchman 2 or some shit, and not just John getting in way over his head.
Regardless, DC shouldn't treat Watchman like a sacred cow, if you think that Watchman is the hight of the industry and nothing will ever surpass it, then you'll make a self-fulfilling profecy.
>>82975521
yeah but this seems to be steering into that skid which gives me a little hope. even though moore is totes right
>>82975426
>>82975582>Through his deft reintroduction and recontexualization of dozens of superheroes, Johns gives a much-needed injection of optimism back to the DC Universe in DC Rebirth Special. While some the bigger, more immutable characters of the DCU like Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman do rest on their latest plot twists, many more returning characters will engage readers based simply on relatable human behaviors. Whether it’s watching awkward T.A. Ryan Choi get pulled into the big leagues of superheroing as he’s called upon to pursue Ray Palmer into the Microverse, witnessing Aquaman offer a tender proposal to his longtime consort Mera (“It’s a surface custom,” he says while on one knee), or even watching Barry Allen cheerfully bring pizzas to a building full of people he just saved, Johns recognizes that these heroes haven’t endured for decades because of over-the-top action sequences and high concepts — these properties have endured because underneath all the superpowers and resurrections and crossovers, these comic books are about real human characters. Zeroing in on the most likable qualities of these characters, Johns reminds us why our hearts break when a hero finds their long-lost love and is cast aside, why we cheer when a character is brought back from the edge of the abyss. It’s like Barry says when Wally makes his triumphant — and permanent — return to the DCU. “I’m so sorry, Wally,” Barry says, with tears in his eyes. “How could I ever forget you?” With these sorts of moments, Johns is reminding us what readers and creators alike have forgotten about the wonder and heart of DC Comics — and that realization is going to pull at even the most jaded reader’s heartstrings.
>>82975426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKHUF7e0hK0
The Milk Knight Rises
I'm not going to lie these spoilers sound like something you'd read in a shitty fan fiction. I trust Johns to give us a good story but I know this is going to turn into shit faster than the New 52 did as soon as the rest of the writers get the ball.
>>82975570
Exactly who cares. Let the writers do what they want with who they want.
I say we finally need a batman who kills
>>82975426
>>82975613>Even on the basis of sheer execution, Johns’ script feels as precise as a Swiss timepiece. He bounces from hero to hero, from high concept to new high concept with a brisk pace, economically establishing all of his characters and structuring his overarching story by balancing heartfelt slice-of-life scenes with big, fist pump-inducing reveals that are sure to get commenters chatting, including hints pointing towards the return of the Justice Society and the Legion of Super-Heroes. But in a comic full of big moments, there’s one that will stand out above the rest — namely, that the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan. When you read it, you might feel the air leave you, and it might be one of the smartest bits Johns has come up with since Sinestro Corps War. Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins. It serves to both heighten the stakes tremendously, as Johns taps into DC’s final frontier, but also serves as a great bit of metacommentary.
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>>82974406
He placed the Buttom on the comedian's grave, he doesn't have it.
>>82975563
fantastic
This review really gives everything away but it sounds amazing
>>82975426
>deadPandora
Top kek
>>82975426
>>82975613>And in keeping with that optimism, Johns has also surrounded himself with a team of some of the biggest and brightest artists in the DC lineup. One early frontrunner for MVP might be Ethan Van Sciver, who shows a surprising versatility in style here, shifting from his trademark shadowy style to something much cleaner, almost in the vein of George Perez in the span of a couple pages. (Honestly, at first glance, the resemblance was so uncanny I had thought Phil Jimenez had taken over a few pages.) But having Van Sciver and Jimenez in this book ultimately evokes that feeling of nostalgia, that sort of Crisis-level cachet that makes DC Rebirth feel like an event more than just a one-shot. Gary Frank, meanwhile, adds a level of consistency throughout the book, as he’s stretched across three chapters — through most of this book, Frank’s characters feel wide-eyed and innocent, unafraid to smile or tense up or emote, and it’s a great way to carry out Johns’ newer, more optimistic mission statement. It’s very telling when Ivan Reis — a clean, reliable meat-and-potatoes superhero artist if DC has ever seen one — winds up becoming the runt of the litter here. It’s not even a case of Reis being a good artist amongst greats — it’s about Reis being a great artist amongst a trio of classics.
>>82975599
Missing the point
So what the fuck is going on with Rebirth. I'm so confused.
>>82975365
She a CUTE
Did she deserve the blame?
Oh so he only created it in a way by stealing 10 years from it
>>82975677
It's just Zero Hour or Infinite Crisis. Most things stay the same but some changes here and there where wanted.
>>82975694
yes
>>82975426
>>82975613>After reading DC Rebirth Special, it only feels appropriate to paraphrase a line from The Dark Knight: Geoff Johns is the hero we need, but not the one we deserve right now. It’s easy to be a booster for a winning team — but it’s much harder to generate the kind of enthusiasm and thoughtfulness Johns has when you know something’s not right. This book in many ways is almost a kind of authorial activism against the perceived wrongs of an entire industry — if Johns has given his oversight over the rest of Rebirth the same level of care that he’s given this special, this might finally achieve the potential of DC Comics that even the New 52 failed to deliver. There’s something missing in the DCU, but Johns and company have undertaken one Herculean Hail Mary to bring it back. “I can’t give up. I have to get back…” his narrator tells us. “So I can deliver a message… it’s not over.” This isn’t a comic — this is a call to arms. This isn’t just a Rebirth — it’s a much-needed redemption.
>>82973244
These three, probably.
>>82975629
That would negate the entire philosophy of batman.
If you want deadly vigilante than pick up punisher max
>>82975227
This. It's an important story in the de-mythologizing of Superheroes but Moore has been insisting it was an anri-superhero story because he's bitter towards the big two.
>>82973381
motherfucker
>>82975711
So Rebirth is like a new restart? Where do I start?
>>82975365
>he wouldn't kiss deula
what are you gay?
>>82975715
>>After reading DC Rebirth Special, it only feels appropriate to paraphrase a line from The Dark Knight: Geoff Johns is the hero we need, but not the one we deserve right now. It’s easy to be a booster for a winning team — but it’s much harder to generate the kind of enthusiasm and thoughtfulness Johns has when you know something’s not right. This book in many ways is almost a kind of authorial activism against the perceived wrongs of an entire industry — if Johns has given his oversight over the rest of Rebirth the same level of care that he’s given this special, this might finally achieve the potential of DC Comics that even the New 52 failed to deliver. There’s something missing in the DCU, but Johns and company have undertaken one Herculean Hail Mary to bring it back. “I can’t give up. I have to get back…” his narrator tells us. “So I can deliver a message… it’s not over.” This isn’t a comic — this is a call to arms. This isn’t just a Rebirth — it’s a much-needed redemption.
>Joker's personality was split by the Multiverse
>His multiple choice past wasn't him being clever, it was the truth
>He actually does reinvent himself
The Goddamned White Duke of Death
>>82975719
So what it'd be an interesting story. And it'd sell like gangbusters.
>>82975761
Rebirth Special is next week, 80 page one-shot. Then the new ongoings start rolling out in June. Just depends on what titles seem interesting to you. I won't handhold you to solicits and all.
>>82973244
More like Jack, Heath and Jared.
>Johns writes something good again
>fucks off to movie land
IT'S NOT FAIR
>>82974387
Well, Morrison already had an out for the Darkseid stuff at least. Just say that the one killed was one of the emanations and not the real one mentioned in Multiversity that apparently was in Earth-51.
>>82975613
>It’s like Barry says when Wally makes his triumphant — and permanent — return to the DCU. “I’m so sorry, Wally,” Barry says, with tears in his eyes. “How could I ever forget you?”
I will personally fight everyone who doubted Johns
Fuck man, right in the feels
>>82970784
What the fuck!? You can't just take away Barry Allen's multiversal kill count like that!!!!
>>82972350
>>82972402
>>82972614
>>82973743
>>82974199
EMPTY IS THY HAND
>>82975829
He has saved one universe. Now he must save another. Then he can save the dcw
>>82975853
Not the first time Barry contradicted himself.
>>82975857
oh shi-
>>82975829
I'm actually getting mad. Goddamn, life is not fair.
>the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan.
What
Alan Moore is gonna put a hex on DC
Cereal God is our only hope
Could Batman defeat Dr Manhattan with enough prep time?
>>82975857
No, Empty Hand is the reader not the hand at creation. Morrison made that pretty clear.
>>82975902
Everything is Dr. Manhatten's fault.
Man Pandora is dead? She was a qt
>>82975911
No, absolutely not. Ozymandias (AKA Batman) tried and failed.
>>82974387
Kek. DC is such a fucking mess. Thank fuck I saw they were going to shit back in the early 2000s when they shit on the Authority and then shit us around with Infinite Crisis etc; and got more into Marvel.
>>82975902
Geoff is blaming Moore for the editors being fucking idiots.
>>82975924
Are you sure?
>>82972962
>>82975599
>>82973877
>Nothing ever ends
>Nothing ever ends
>Nothing ever ends
>Nothing ever ends
The more I think about it the more Brilliant it gets.
>>82970784
Sooo will batman rape the 3 jokers in a row ?
>>82975871
>Snyder was one of Darkseid's minons looking to hurt our hope and faith thus making it easier to bring us down with the Anti-Life Equation
>Johns last major story in the New 52 is killing Darkseid
>Johns was the bullet
>>82975958
yes it has the Ultra Comics logo on him as the reader avatar and was confirmed in an IGN interview after the fact
come on man, the story has been out for like a year now, keep up
This sounds absolutely retarded, the characters from watchmen work in a different kind of environment since they are pretty much punisher tier capes. It's like mixing the DBZ universe with the HxH universe or some shit like that. Why is Johns still in charge? Multiversity was great, why not let Morrison in charge again?
>>82975902
Pandora died?
Did... did she actually do anything before she died?
I just assumed she part of an elaborate shell game designed to distract us from Earth 3 showing up to fuck shit up old school.
>>82975954
You literally got off when dc was at its peak>>82975924
Dr Manhatten IS the reader though
His whole power set was seeing time like a comic
>>82975943
>Ozymandias
>Batman
>Not Thunderbolt
>>82975943
But it's batman
>>82975976
Johns is like a doctor. He is giving the universe chemo in the form of darkseid war which is long and painful but leads to a glorious new life cancer free. God bless johns
Just think, in 5 years. the idea of Doctor Manhatten not being involved in the DCU will be unthinkable. He'll be in the same category as the Anti-Monitor, Parallax, Superboy-Prime, and Barry Allen
What a world we live in
>>82975426
>Whether it’s watching awkward T.A. Ryan Choi get pulled into the big leagues of superheroing as he’s called upon to pursue Ray Palmer into the Microverse
Holy fucking shit we're finally getting some Atom action. Based Johns.
>>82976006
Because Morrison wants to focus on creator-owned stuff and he's already EiC of Heavy Metal.
oh god
no no no
>>82975667
I liked Pandora...
I can't tell, do we hate DC now or not?
>>82975998
Oh. Sorry.
In my defense, Morrison's stuff can be confusing sometimes.
I loved Multiversity, but I still don't understand Final Crisis.
Batman turns into a spooky skeleton man. Superman fuses into a 3d construct Superman, whatever that is.
The only part I understood was when Hal Jordan staked a Cosmic Vampire.
>>82971767
Elaborate on this. I know nothing of Slott besides the fact that he ruined Spider-Man stories for me
>>82976038
>Johns is like a doctor.
>It's an operating table
>He's the surgeon
>>82976040
He is not even that powerful, in the comics there was a possibility that he couldn't stop all the russian nukes from hitting american soil.
>>82975694
No. I liked her.
>>82976079
The answer is the opposite of what you feel about DC.
>>82976079
Not.
>>82976095
Controversy sells so he does stories like kill off peter or kill off every peter and trolls fans on twitter
>>82972614
>thinking Johns had anything to do with the Guardians being the oldest beings or blue
fuck everything else, all i want to know is what this means for the other watchmen characters. will nite owl meet blue beetle? will ozymandias go head to head with batman? is rorschach coming back?
>>82976079
We hate them for not fighting WB and keeping Johns on a monthly.
Fucking monkey's paw, I had hoped all along that Rebirth would reinvigorate Johns and it seems like it did but he won't even write any comics for now.
>>82976095
From that, it's enough to deduce that he is fucking retarded and his only ability is to ruin comic books.
>>82975960
People are cynical and therefore they think that the repetitive nature of dc and the adding of watchmen into continuity is just a blatant cash grab. And, in a way it is, but once you've learned to live with the oblivion machine then you realize that the never ending nature of these stories may actually be the culmination of Manhattan creating life.
>people praising Johns for shitting up Watchmen
Damn...
Whoa a 10/10 review from such an esteemed site like newsarama? Well now this changes everything!
>reads review
Welp, sounds like dogshit. LOL at Johns using Watchmen as a scapegoat for the terrible decisions made by the company.
>>82976152
Who cares Moore is in Avatar Press, he has no power anymore in this plane of existance
>>82976140
>comic publisher
>fighting WB
>especially the film division where DCEU was supposed to be Warner's new moneymaker
lol
>>82976085
The skeleton wasn't actually Batman. One of the last stories before Final Crisis included somebody cloning Batman. The skeleton was one of those clones, the real Batman got sent back in time by Darkseid.
As for the Superman Thought Robot...that was just fucking weird. I got nothing.
>>82976171
Fuck movies. I'm so mad right now.
>>82976139
It sounds to me that it's just Manhattan that's involved in this.
>>82976040
Will DCU be connected to Snyder's Watchmen then?
>>82976014
Yup DC peaked 85 to 2005 or there abouts. It's been one hilarious ride to crap since then while Marvel took over pop culture globally. Never seen a corporation fail so badly. Really want to write a b school paper on it.
>>82976079
Comics-wise I like DC more than Marvel, especially since Marvel is really starting to piss me off with Civil War II. Movie-wise, I like the MCU more than the DCU but that's on Synder. Though there are some things like Batfleck and Wonder-Gal, I really, really, like.
>NOT MUH WATCHMEN
Who even cares? If they end up being written well, what does it even matter? Seems to me like everyone's only mad because MUH SACRED COW JUSTICE FOR MOORE despite the fact that Moore was, is, and will always be a dick.
>>82973130
I wish he could find the time to make some good comics as opposed to bitching all the time.
>>82976203
Batman finds comedians bloody pin
>>82976241
Spoken like a true drone.
>>82972849
>Dr. Manhattan created the new DC universe
Molecular Man created the actual Marvel Universe
>>82970784
tfw you wanna be hype but it's dc
>>82976241
Did Moore rape you when you were a kid or something?
>>82976203
they've opened the floodgates, though. that can't just introduce manhattan and leave out the others, especially when he's not even the most popular one. the implication that they're in the same universe is still there.
There's approximately 0.00% chance that Manhattan or anyone shows up in a DC book. At the end of the day it will be a little trivia footnote that ultimately means nothing.
>>82976079
We hate DC, but we like Johns.Most of us like Johns.
It's kinda like reverse Marvel.
I can see a lot genuine enthusiasm for a lot of Marvel books on this board, but never for Marvel's quote "champion writer" unquote Bendis.
By comparison, everyone feels kinda burnt out on DC for all their stupid shit lately, but we do seem to enjoy us some Johns.
I dunno, maybe I'm just projecting.
>>82976006
>mfw they put Rorschach and Ozymandias on he Justice League and The Comedian and Nite Owl on the JSA.
>>82976152
>>82976156
>>82976211
>mfw delicious marvel tears
>>82976175
Superman Thought Robot is basically the platonic ideal of Superman, all versions of Superman are imperfect reflections of the perfect Superman Thought Robot
also he's only called a Thought Robot because Morrison hadn't heard of the word meme
>>82976289
Who first wrote about that hand anyway?
One would imagine he would know, or have a general idea about it being god or something.
>>82976312
Since when was Watchmen Marvel?
>>82975871
>>82975829
>>82975891
>Johns Mary fucking poppins to save dc in every media
This is his last comic for a long tome wew boy what a mic drop
>>82976231
Marvel is ok as long as you avoid Bendis and Slott. Ewing is great for example. But yeah both the big two are kind of sucking right now. I expect there'll be another superhero crash like in the late 40s, late 70s, & mid 90s soon.
>>82976294
>hating dc
but why
nobody likes Marvel's comics. They just like the movies.
>>82976298
Nope. Nope. Go to jail. Go to jail now.
>>82976312
>if you don't like one of the Big 2 you must love the other
Retard alert.
>>82975786
He's using Wally as his authorial insert to talk about how everything is shit but we can make it better?
Aw man he hits all my wallyfag buttons
>>82976175
I didn't understand the STR at first, then some anons explained me that this robot was fueled by the idea of heroism and that it was bigger than the multiverse. The battle against Mandrakk should have been the last battle in FC, compared to that, what we got was lame.
>>82976312
Wut. This thread is people making fun of DC for shitting the bed yet again.
>>82976424
it was until the review was posted and now I love Johns again
>>82976352
Well what's on your pull list?
I used to go pretty heavy DC, but lately it's just been Justice League. Got a whole slew of Marvel books. Ewing's stuff is god tier. King's been blowin' up. Robinson, Spencer, Duggan, all been doing decent work.
Bendis on the other hand, stil fucking up old school. Still not sure why they employ him. Maybe they owe a life-debt or something, I dunno.
>>82976345
Yes, there are times where I'm tempted to cut everything on my pull list that's Marvel except for Champions, New Avengers, and Ultimates, All-New, All-Different Avengers, Black Widow and Black Panther.
Where as most of the stuff that DC is putting out or are planning to put out I'm rather excited about.
>>82976424
Literally the opposite
wasn't it rumored that there would be some sort of connection with rebirth and the movies?
>>82975426
>the malevolent force that has stolen 10 years from the DC Universe (and murdered Pandora, the symbol of the New 52, in a particularly subversive jab) is none other than Watchmen’s Dr. Manhattan.
>Of course the cynicism of the DC Universe began here — and the only way to counteract that is to call out the “world’s greatest graphic novel” for its sins.
>calling out Watchmen for it's sins
T-that's actually pretty clever. I hope that it really is being used in that way instead of what /co/ assumed was them just being shoved into the DCU.
>>82976294
Really?
/co/ has been sucking DC's cock like there's no tomorrow ever since DCYou rolled out, especially when it sold poorly and ANAD got more positive attention.
And from 2011 towards the end of Forever Evil, /co/ sucked Marvel's cock like mad due to being pissed about New 52.
Just asked because it's about time for the tide to turn and for /co/ to start sucking marvel's cock again.
This Watchmen thing would probably do it if CW2 weren't a thing.
>>82976422
I often just read Superman Beyond 3D by itself these days. The rest of Final Crisis doesn't carry as much weight or meaning to me.
>>82976152
He's using Watchmen, itself a good book, as a proxy for the problems of the things that tried to walk in its life. He's not wrong.
>>82976424
I love this and think Johns is a hero.
>>82976465
besides some synergy costumes I didn't see anything that indicated that
>>82976146
Watchmen itself was based on Charlton heroes who were in turn based on older heroes who were in turn cash grabs on the superman trend who in turn was based on sco fi action movies and pulp fiction and mythology and so on until the dawn of time.
Nothing
Ever
Ends
Why do you think Watchmen's primary graphic motif was a circle?
>>82976466
What are Watchmen's sins?
nu52 was a huge misstep
>>82974296
Yes, to an extent. I still think it was a mistake to bring some of those characters into the dcu
>>82976467
>This Watchmen thing would probably do it if CW2 weren't a thing.
As I said, Bendis is terrible.
>>82976072
>We're being WATCHED
>WATCHED, CORAL
>>82976466
>>82976561
Wouldn't it be smarter to call out Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns for it's sins?
I mean both contributed to the wave of "Dark and Gritty" comics in the 90s but at least Watchmen was a competent narrative. Dark Knight Returns was just Bat-wank.
20 years ago it was said that if DC was ever desperate enough to bring in Watchmen to the main continuity it would be the last legs of the company. Welp.
>>82976424
>didn't read the review
It actually sounds pretty fucking masterful.
>>82976656
Miller already did that with TDKSA and ASBAR
He'd continue it with Dark Knight Boy Wonder but Lee keeps drawing other things instead
>>82974975
I'm ok with this. Sounds pretty cool 2bh.
>>82976656
I think whomever wrote that really, really, really, disliked Watchmen for whatever reason and decided to passive-aggressively shit on it.
>>82976114
Yeah but didn't they imply that he was continuously getting stronger as he became more nutso?
I am fully convinced that Watchmen being responsible for modern DC is an utterly genius metaphor that stings with brutal honesty. I didn't know Johns had it in him.
It might be me but I'm sick of Marvel having a huge event every year that fucks up all the other books it's publishing for six months or so. Especially since Ewing is the only one who's shown he can tie into it without it fucking up his books plot.
>>82976712
Watchmen being blamed for grimdark shit has been a thing for a long time.
>>82972246
The Samuel Beckett part sounds intriguing
>>82976561
Watchmen, along with TDKR, spearheaded the 'serious and gritty is good' movement in comics.
>>82975694
Did DC actually did anything with this character? Besides being a cameo in the fist volume of the n52?
>>82976009
>Did... did she actually do anything before she died?
Well, Future's End had a different conclusion for her story, but even there she basically just killed herself in order to stop the world from rebooting once more.
>yfw he also puts stuff in to shit on Before Watchmen
>>82976778
I never realized this was 3x3
>>82974975
I'm game.
>>82976751
Yeah, but you'd never expect DC to be the ones to admit that.
>>82976294
>We hate DC
While /tv/ fags might hate DC /co/ has always skewed DC. Barring the brief period post the nu52 launch /co/'s comic related material has almost always been about 60-70% DC discussion.
>>82976779
Uh... Trinity War kinda.
She had a solo for a bit and then the team with Question and Phantom Stranger
>>82976778
But Watchmen was good.
>>82976555
>DC's inconic inspiration was Watchmen whose graphic was circles
>Marvel's was the widescreen comics of Ultimate, with big panels like rectangles
>Dr Manhatten is blue
>Ultimate Spiderman is Red
>Circles are cells, like an organism
>Squares are pixels like a machine.
>Circles are open, like the womb, dc is female red "bleed" Kismet is female
>Rectangles long and penetrative, Eternity is Male, Marvel multiverse has a Superflow of "white events"
>DC Multivetse is an atom, it is polar like circles
>Marvel Multiverse is a spectrum it is cartesian like sqaures
>Wave/Particle
Guys.
Guys.
>>82976712
This.
The review totally changed by opinion on using Watchmen.
>>82976827
ehhhhhhh
DC fans are actually ok with this and don't think it's fucking retarded?..
(This is coming from someone who is a general comics fans who grew up with these books but has read marginally more Marvel books than DC)
>>82976009
she had an ongoing.
Did anyone read it? Did anything happen in it?
>>82976827
That doesn't really matter, honestly.
>>82976712
I'm not quite sure I understand. Could you explain?
>>82976696
Well they're allowed to their criticism.
And I suppose deconstructing Watchman is a valid way to attack the "Realistic and gritty" movement that's kind of enveloped DC's movie department.
Though I can't help but feel part of this is just a way to keep the rights to Watchmen away from Moore. That poor Warlock...
>>82976858
I am okay with it, since I have never cared for Watchmen. So this doesn't shock me or make me mad
>>82976827
Which is why it had such an influence on comics. Johns calling it out is actually pretty fucking ballsy/genius.
>>82976852
How spoilery is it. All I know is what was in the OP of the first thread and I'm satisfied with that until I read the book
>>82976858
There is going to be some pant shitting rage byt tomorrow morning and when the book actually comes out, but it seems like some people are kind of fine with it.
Watchman and TDKR were very much a product of their times and set the stage for what comic storytelling was for like thirty years. They're both good stories but honestly it's time to move the fuck on, things can't be grimdark and depressing twenty-four seven, three hundred and sixty days of the week. For fuck sakes, we've gotten an Emo-mopey Superman in his last two movies and the Kent's both come off as hardcore Randians. Something seriously wrong with that.
>>82976858
As it's been pointed out it's all being used as a brutally honest metaphor. It's not just "Durr hey Watchman is part of the DCU now friends"
>>82976904
Remember how characters like Rorschach became the mold for superheroes of the 80s/90s?
>>82976827
Which was a problem since it caused everyone to try to copy it. It influenced comics greatly, and in some people's eyes in a bad way.
>>82976712
It's almost too smart for Johns to have come up with on his own. He does meta sometimes but SBP isn't exactly subtle as much as I like him. The review reads like he really poured his heart into this story. Sometimes it just comes to you I guess.
Hell taking Watchmen off the untouchable pedestal by putting it in continuity might be what needs to happen in order to move on.
>>82973244
the one with the crazy teeth, the hot one, the sleezy douchefuck
>>82976919
Very. Has actual lines from the book and other cool old stuff that was missing
>>82976922
>the Kent's both come off as hardcore Randians
Well yeah, Zack Snyder is an objectivist.
I'm not sure if that makes him the guy to be working with Superman.
>>82976841
>White Events are semen
Holy fuck
>>82976951
Yes, I guess so. But that's not really Watchmen's fault, is it?
>>82976858
The execution will matter (another set of spinoff books would change my mind) but I like it as the meta thing it seems to be
>>82976858
I was iffy at first since it looked like they were just being shoved into the DCU, but have come to see that it's actually genius after reading the review >>82975426
>>82976712
gets it.
>>82973381
Are we sure Grant Morrison didn't write this?
>>82976985
K, but it seems like the review was positive?
>>82977018
He and Johns are close enough friends that some of him might have rubbed off on Geoff after so long.
>>82976841
[Hypercrisis Intensifies]
>>82973381
Wait what? I thought it was 2 jokers
>>82976079
>do we
Kill yourself, my man.
>>82977037
gave it 10/10
>>82976810
Even at their lowers, DC's comic books are in general better than Marvel's. I can count with a single hand the good Marvel events in the last decades or even the good on going on the last decade.
P R E V I E W
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http://www.newsarama.com/29407-preview-dc-universe-rebirth-1-with-spoilers.html#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/PJUFeFhzjp
http://www.newsarama.com/29407-preview-dc-universe-rebirth-1-with-spoilers.html#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/PJUFeFhzjp
>>82976669
Just like Ultimate characters interacting with 616.
The big 2 are shit, more news at eleven.
>>82973381
They can have 3 but it's rare, they mostly have 2 jokers instead
I actually think Moore will like this.
He said the differnce between Before Watchmen and what he did with loeg was that he actually stole them, using them to serve as critics amd symbos of their stories and eras rather than presneting them as an actual conclusion.
Johns is basically doing the same thing here with Dr Manhatten.
He Alan Moore'd Alan Moore.
>>82976958
>It's almost too smart for Johns to have come up with on his own.
Because he didn't?
Watchmen being one of the comics responsible for all the dark and gritty stuff that came after is well known.
He's just ballsy enough to put it on paper, and Didio said Rebirth will feature a very controversial moment and this is probably what he was talking about.
>>82977068
Get a load of the guy not playing with a full deck
>>82973381
I thought it had 2 Jokers.
And a card with the rules for Draw and Stud Poker.
>>82977000
He's not, at all. Thankfully, they seem to be phasing him out of the DC cinematic universe but the damage might already be done. Affleck becoming a producer on Justice League is a good thing because like him or not as an actor, he's genuinely loves comics.
>>82977073
Vision is literally the only Marvel book I'm reading. DCYou may have sold like shit but they were putting out a tonne of great books and even more impressively it was mostly with their lower-tier characters.
>>82977086
start a new thread
I don't understand how 'Watchmen caused the New 52' is supposed to be this genius metaphor for reality. Surely Watchmen has caused a hell of a lot more than just that?
>>82976827
trying to make a morally ambiguous story, then having the 'correct' way to interpret the story spelled out in the supplementary Black Freighter story
always felt hackish, like he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.
>>82976858
>marvel fan threadshits DC put of hatred, can't understand why DC fans like good things.
>>82977107
Reality is that he won't read it and he'll shit on it when someone tells him about it. No point in paying him any attention.
>>82976072
FINAL CRISIS!
>>82976858
I absolutely and unironically think it's the greatest thing to happen to DC in years.
>>82976810
This. People who read comics prefer DC.
>>82977039
I know for a fact Morrison has done drugs with him, and when Morrison does drugs he tends to babble on about all his ideas
>>82977144
It was written by someone in-universe and was just as fallible as anyone else's take you big baby.
>>82977123
Unless all of my decks were wrong... fuck, now I have to check.
It's 2, you pieces of shit.
10/10 either way, made me look like an idiot.
>>82977126
Reboot?
I vote reboot.
That's what they did with Green Lantern and this is just as much of a failure as that was. Maybe more-so. Green Lantern might have been shitty, but it was benign. This BvS shit is quite honestly offensive to the senses.
>>82977134
Because the new 52 is grittier and edgier than the previous universes missing the hope and legacy from those others
>>82977187
>Johns doing drugs
no my husbando is pure you slut
>>82977192
Not playing with a full deck is a joke about being crazy. You set yourself up for it.
This is why you don't work for the Big 2.
Watchmen came out in the mid 80s.. The Nu52 shat the bed in the early 2010s.. How is Watchmen responsible for the N52 sucking so bad & how is this some genius from Johns exactly? I'm confused.
>>82976858
The notion that Doctor Manhattan is the blue hand that Krona saw at the dawn of creation is so insane I love it.
Not to mention that Watchmen is the source of the cynicism that took over the DCU.
>>82974975
Sounds dope. Can't wait.
>>82977134
It's a metaphor for how Watchmen inadvertently created an era of cynicism and darkness in comics that's lasted for the better part of the last 25 years.
This is the hypest fucking shit
>>82977223
Johns drugs is cereal
>>82977223
>doing drugs makes you impure
Come on anon
If the other anon said Johns fucking his dogs is why they keep dying then you'd have a point
>>82977249
You can't blame bad writers, you have to blame this one comic that people liked.
>>82977249
They like him and want a scapegoat.
>>82977268
Damian you creepy ass motherfucker
>>82977086
>blue lightning
wait... is Hunter secretly the avatar of Manhattan in the tv universe?
>>82977268
BLAQUALAD
>Johns never introduced him like he wanted
;_;
http://www.newsarama.com/29405-best-shot-review-dc-rebirth-special-1-10-10-no-spoilers.html
Spoiler free version of newsarama's review.
>>82972308
DCU has an afterlife. And a pantheon of gods. And a bunch of supernatural magic stuff. Could Dr Manhattan create those?
>>82977268
>blaqualad
Nea..
>make him a faggot
I thought I was reading dc not marvel
>>82974975
I have no problem with any of the rebirth spoilers. Think it's great.
Wait, so Watchmen is "responsible" for comics becoming darker and grittier, and DC was in a (so-called) bad state because of this. And Rebirth is disregarding this influence by reintroducing a more saccharin tone and style?
I'm not quite sure I understand where Johns is going with the Watchmen references.
>>82977268
>Who's Sinestro?
He's Bruce Wayne, Jessica.
>>82977086
I'm crying
>>82977189
ambiguity requires opposition, to be challenged
Black Freighter is the biggest of the side stories in Watchmen and the points it makes go unchallenged by anything in the text of equal weight
>>82977313
>He made him Bi like Greg wanted to
Jesus fuck Johns is so based.
>>82973580
Was he banned or did he just get scared and delete his account after Rich posted a new article about it?
>>82977223
everyone does drugs anon, some of those drugs being more legal than others doesn't make them not drugs
>>82977268
>Blaqualad is back
>Blaqualad is finally going to do shitThat Damian panel worries me though...
>>82977268
>It's not natural, what you are.
>Are you talking about my POWERS?
>No I'm talking about your HOMOSEXUALITY
Sweet, didn't know DC was doing a crossover with X-Men
>>82977249
How many N52 books did you read?
>Every uncomfortable change that happened in your life is Dr Manhattans fault.
Move over Tom Cavananana
>>82976712
It's not, Johns probably wants another Watchmen film made by his pal the randyan hero Zack Snyder, and so he puts Manhattan being the main antagonist in this fucking mess. Johns is not clever, the most meta thing he has ever done is that Blackest Night SBP story.
>>82977350
You need equal time like a goddamn talk radio band to be able to make your mind up properly?
>>82977320
He always was a faggot.
Weisman more or less confirmed he was meant to be bisexual.
So is this Johns Summation on all his cape work like Multiversity was for Morrison and Ultimate Comic Avengers was for Millar?
>>82977249
nu52 was the culmination of everything that happened after the comics code got relaxed and subsequently removed
and Watchmen set the precedence for what comics should be like in a post comics code world by being the first runaway hit that took advantage of the new freedom offered.
>>82977451
Seems like he's going out with a bang
>>82977320
Weisman wanted Kaldur to be bisexual
>>82977442
I need equal time to feel there was an actual debate going on, if you're gonna stack the deck like that anyway
>>82977415
Hes Bi
>>82977465
>>82977448
>>82977374
>defending faggots
/co/mblr is real
QUESTION
DOES ANYONE HAVE THAT PAGE WHERE IT GOES THROUGH SUPES, BATS, WW, AND LANTERN'S ORIGINS IN A BRIEF FEW PANELS
>>82977517
He was always a faggot, why don't you go be one somewhere else
>>82977554
I don't think anyone here has Rebirth. All we've seen is what the guy on Reddit posted and what is in the Newsarama preview.
>>82975426
If anybody could pull this shit off, its Geoff Johns
>>82975426
Cereal Lord does it again babyyyyyyyyyyyy
>>82977517
Don't lump me in with those faggots.
Just saying they didn't make him gay. He always was.
>>82977457
>everything that happened after the comics code got relaxed and subsequently removed
The best thing that ever happened to mainstream comics post Siegel & Shuster?
Who else is pissed that this shit got leaked on reddit and not /co/??
>Flashpoint and nu52 were caused by a man who regained faith in humanity and decided to make his own world after learning that a woman was capable of falling in love with her rapist
when you spell it out like that it really seems obvious
>>82976284
Yes and you can read all about it in graphic detail in Moore's new comic.
>>82977581
He meant from jl>>82977612
Bi
>>82977619
Kinda expected Scanbro to drop the bobmb
>>82974975
I think this is all funny rather than anything really worth throwing a fit over.
I actually really enjoy Johns' writing in general, so I'm maintaining faith.
>>82977631
I'm not into that, but I'm sure it will be a hit.
>>82977619
It was only two pages. Scanbro will show up during the weekend more than likely
>>82976144
Got it. I thought he did something like brought back Uncle Ben or broke some other unwritten rule of comics
>>82977624
Didn't Johns write Flashpoint?
>>82977696
He probably did.
>>82977086
>http://www.newsarama.com/29407-preview-dc-universe-rebirth-1-with-spoilers.html#st_refDomain=t.co&st_refQuery=/PJUFeFhzjp
>How should we start this thing off?
>MAKE SURE THEY SEE THAT WE'RE PUSHING A GAY BLACK CHARACTER! TELL THE MEDIA!
Good old DC
>>82974975
>>82976690
>>82976804
>>82977257
>>82977333
>>82977668
>All the people that actually buy comics are fine with it.
Basically confirming that all the people throwing a fit are faggots.
>>82977728
you mean marvel
>>82976810
Look at all the queers in this gay bar. People who like to drink must love cock.
>>82977728
>PUSHING A GAY BLACK CHARACTER! TELL THE MEDIA!
Spot the guy that doesn't actually read comics.
>>82977696
Uncle Ben is scheduled to come back via clone during a mini event called Dead No More, along with Jean DeWolfe, a bunch of other supporting characters that have died over the years, and about a dozen Gwen Stacy's
>Johns absolutely pissing all over Moore
Is this when Cereal Lord ascends to GOAT status? Will he finally be at the top?
>DC decides to incorporate anything from Vertigo into its main stories
inb4 Sleep
>>82977748
I see you don't remember the press releases they put out about Batwoman.
>>82976114
He could have done it. The thing was that he wasn't SURE if he could do it and didn't want to do it anyway. If he can teleport to Mars and back easily he can stop some nukes.
Preacher will be next.
>>82977342
>According to meta-commentary essentially after years spent, directly and indirectly, fervently pursuing the success Watchmen initially brought to no avail, DC finally sighs and defaults all failure and responsibility onto Moore
Absolutely savage.
>>82977816
That and Bunker were about it. They didn't even brag about their GLAAD nomination for Midnighter.
Maybe that's why it lost and sold like shit.
>>82977857
FUCKDoesn't Ennis own the rights to that though?
>>82977734
yep. It's pretty much where the whole '/co/ doesn't read comics' thing come from. 95% of /co/ honestly does not read comics.
They just complain about them.
EMPTY FUCKING HAND IN ACTION
>>82977086
Wait Jessica is already a GL? When the fuck did that happen? Or does it happen in JL #50?
>>82977816
Except Batwoman was a good book.
>>82977734
>implying I gotta buy comics
>implying I'm not a filthy pirate
>>82977860
>Johns makes Moore kill himself
>>82977770
Truly if there was any doubt that he and Morrison were still close it has vanished.
>>82977816
Don't forget how prevalent "DC TO HAVE GAY CHARACTER" and "GAY GREEN LANTERN" were back in 2012 before and after Alan was revealed gay.
>>82977919
so why should DC care what you think?
>>82977320
Just how long do you think you're going to be able to read things without gays being in pretty much everything? Get used to it now.
>>82977860
If you put it that way, DC sounds like a bunch of envious twats.
>>82975613>It’s like Barry says when Wally makes his triumphant — and permanent — return to the DCU. “I’m so sorry, Wally,” Barry says, with tears in his eyes. “How could I ever forget you?”
>Moore uses DC characters as inspiration for the characters in Watchmen
>DC owns Vertigo
>Swamp Thing, Animal Ma, and Hellblazer were published under Vertigo as well
>B-B-B-BUT MOORE'S VISION! IT RUINS THE POINT OF WATCHMEN
>>82977959
That's assuming that they give a fuck about people who actually buy comics. They don't give a toss about my opinions, regardless of whether or not I throw money at them.
Has anyone creator ever retired in such an amzing way guys?
>>82977779
They've already done that multiple times though?
>>82977894
It's obnoxious but honestly it makes threads where people actually talk about comics 100x more fun.
>>82977948
Don't forget how Dido came out and said they fucked up trying to pander to outside groups and wanted to get back to basics and appeal to their core fans
>>82978039
>johns retires from DC for good by making the Hypercrisis a movie/tv/comic/cartoon Hybrid extravaganza with Morrison's help
>>82977999
>ruins the point of Watchmen
That's literally the point of the comic from what it seems
>>82977999
They're Charlton characters though. DC might own the rights to them, but they're still Charlton.
And just because DC owns the rights to Watchmen doesn't mean whatever they do is okay.
>>82978052
>100x more fun
No it really fucking doesn't. If every person who doesn't buy suddenly stopped posting, perhaps we could have some actual fucking discussion on this board for once.
Your sense of 'fun' fucking sucks dude.
>>82977970
I'm doing a bit of a juggling act, the point is it's sort of a Comedy-ragedy affair where because of their brief prosperous alliance they are now both causing each other indefinite pains.
It's not exactly the Hedgehog's Dilemma, but it's something like that.
This page makes me so happy.
>>82978142
Post the page where Johns uses Wally fresh off his return to absolve Barry of all his sins. Because it's always all about Barry.
>>82978142
delete this
>>82978104
You're right, I'm real high and that wasn't what I was trying to say.
What I was trying to say is that there are still people here who do read comics and those threads with actual comic readers are so fun that it's worth wading through tons of movie threads
>>82970784
i wont mind so much if it turns out to be good
>>82978230
>mfw Manhattan was being controlled by Felicity
>>82978230
this isn't the real gugganheim. he can only communicate over tumblr and twitter
>>82978230
The DC power couple will never truly die Uncle Guggie.
>>82978234
ah okay. Yeah makes a lot more sense.
>>82978274
>The DC power couple
But that's notHarley & Ivy
>>82978274
>DC power couple will never truly die Uncle Guggie.
clark and lois? barry and iris? it sure as fuck aint dinah and ollie. he got cucked by hawkeye for fucks sake
>>82978230
Marc pls go
>>82978230
YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE MARC
>I can now blame Doctor Manhattan for retconning my favorite superhero couple
I don't care how many of you think I have shit taste, I'm too amazed by this to care.
>>82978052
>>82977779
>>82977999
Watchmen isnt even Vertigo you retards
>>82972301
>Watchmen is considered one of the best comics ever made
>DC wants to milk that cow until is dry
>Makes that awful Before Watchmen series
>Now they introduce them to the DC universe
>After this is done they'll no longer be special, just generic capes
Johns must really hate Moore in order to do this.
This news is fucking garbage but honestly I'm surprised it took DC to 2016 to finally fuck over Watchmen this bad. Before Watchmen notwithstanding. At least that wasn't part off of the main universe.
Reading the preview and the spoilers has me legitimately excited for Rebirth. I am so giddy, I honestly have not been this excited for comics since I started reading. I love it, I hope to god Johns sticks the landing and a ton of these books turn out great
These goddamn click til fuck you captchas are the fucking worst and it makes me want to quit this site.
>>82978461
Nigger they were never ultra special unique snowflakes to begin with, they were reskins of Charlton characters with added quirks and charms.
>>82978461
Basically anything anybody does in comics is going to upset Alan Moore. Might as well go all the way.
>>82978461
>>82971569
>>82978461
The book is overtly designed to be an anti Watchmen piece though
>>82978461
B-But it's okay because it's a meta critique (aka blame Watchmen for everything as usual), this will totally not manifest as a shameless cash grab.
>>82978547
>not just going back to legacy
You were never here that long anyway
>>82978461
they were literally oc donut steels you retard
>>82978230
Never ever.
>>82978461
>>82978544
I don't think you understand how they were introduced.
I don't think many of the people who hate this really grasp it.
It's meant to be metacommentary about what Watchmen and books like it did to DC.
It isn't "Niteowl and Batman can now go on adventures" or "Rorschach could totally just show up as a Batman anti-hero now!"
They also weren't introduced. Only Doctor Manhattan was shown off.
They were also already part of the Multiverse so this is nothing all that awkward or shocking.
>>82978547
change your settings back to legacy. holy fuck how new are you?
>>82978461
>>Watchmen is considered one of the best comics ever made
Did you read the fucking spoiler reviews? It's popularity and influence on comics is precisely WHY they're using it here.
Watchmen caused the New 52. Watchmen caused comics to get darker. Johns calling it out is one of the most ballsy/genius things I've ever seen.
>>82978652
>It's meant to be metacommentary about what Watchmen and books like it did to DC.
>mfw everyone is parroting this from the one review
What will you do if you read the issue and it turns out it was total conjecture?
>>82978666
>>82978640I stopped browsing 4chan in 2011 and only just started again, so pretty new I guess
>>82978775
What will you do if it isn't?
>>82978775
>What will you do if you read the issue and it turns out it was total conjecture?
nothing. What am I supposed to do, call a press conference? we're all anonymous.
>>82977126
>>82977206
What's so wrong about the movies? Just because Batman gave up on himself and killed for a time before regaining hope? Fuck, man. It's like all you people want is safe shit and fanservice.
>>82974975
I'm indifferent so far
>>82977448
How was he a faggot when he liked that fish girl that Garth stole?
>>82979634
No he was mad the girl stole Garth away.
So johns basically owns DC at this point.
>>82970784
this is perfect, I fucking hate Alan Moore, so the more DC uses his shit I will love them even more, because he fucking hate them for that!
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