Who would win in a war between The Irken Empire and Gem Empire
Yellow Diamond is taller.
>>82906918
Hot Topic wins.
>>82906918
That's a good question.
The Gems are ten times more competent, but the Irkens are ten times more beligerent and numerous.
I'm going to have to give it to the Irkens since their entire society seems to revolve around finding more elaborate ways to destroy other empires while the gem empire seems pretty content to just self-replicate first and foremost.
>>82906918
Probably the Irken, but mostly because we know jack shit about the gems.
Is Zim involved in the war? I think that would make a big difference.
>>82907125
>Is Zim involved in the war?
No
>>82907151
Irkens win then.
>>82907125
>But I conquered the Gem Empire for us
>You DESTROYED the Gem Empire! And our entire Armada! After you destroyed their planet!
>Yeah I'm just that good
>>82907056
/thread
It's worth noting that Irkens enslave other species until they bleed the culture dry of everything of vaule while gems out and out destroy anything not gem. Irkens are a ot more versatile, but keeping some gems alive might cause issues.
Do the Gems have good snacks?
>>82906918
Irkens because from what we've seen they're the scariest type of enemy. The one that doesn't stop coming, every part of their society is dedicated to a perceived war effort and they've taken over several planets. Hell they have just ONE Invader take over entire fuckin' planets by themselves. Their tech is also shown to be pretty much on the 'blow everything up until nothing is standing' side.
Gems looks pretty primitive in tech compared to them. Sure they can conjure up almost any weapon but all they seem to make are swords, axes, etc. They also don't look to be too much of a war-mongering race and they have alot of problems back home from the looks of it.
The Irkens have pretty much solid unity, unless you count Zim fucking things up when he was on their home planet, they run efficiently and as a single unit.
>>82906984
For you
>>82906984
FPBP
>>82906918
If it was Gems from the first war versus Irken Tech, I'd say it'd be a complicated question. Irken Tech is pretty advanced and could give them an edge.
But since modern Gems have plenty of advanced tech of their own it's a simple answer. Gems win. Their weaponry is equally advanced, but while Irken's are scrawny twig people, Gems have an entire warrior caste of Big Buff Cheeto Puffs. Hell in hand-to-hand combat, one Jasper could take out the entire starting line-up of Operation Impending Doom 2.
>>82906918
Humans in IZ would lose because most of them are too stupid to notice the paranormal.
Humans in SU would lose because most notice the paranormal, but simply don't care.
Either way, Earth's screwed without outside interference.
>>82907373
>>82907373
you MOOCHES!
>>82907066
>Gems are ten times more competent
From what I remember (it's been a while) the Almighty Tallest aren't very competent, but some of the Invaders definitely are. Some (probably most?) of the Invaders have succeeded in single-handedly taking over their planet. That's nuts. But in a war they might not have the element of surprise like an Invader usually does.
In a full-scale war it might come down to who has the best weapons. The Irkens have pretty good tech, but the most we've seen from the Gems is the finger laser on the hand ship. We don't know what kind of nuclear-scale weapons they have. Do they have other Clusters? Do they have war ships? We don't know.
>>82907573
Earth is on the fringes of Irken maps and not in the home galaxy of the Gems. If the two empires were fighting it'd probably be centered closer to where they were centered.
Hopefully they're close together and not on opposite sides of the Earth. I don't want to get stuck in the middle.
>>82907596
>Do they have other Clusters? Do they have war ships? We don't know.
We know they have giant women who don't need to breathe in the vacuum of space with built in gravity boots.
Imagine a thousand Jaspers fused into a single giant Jasper, ready to punch the fuck out of the Tallest's Flag Ship.
>>82907596
Gems have top-tier matter manipulation, FTL, and fucking paradoxless time travel. Anything at that tech level would have crazy weapons technology. Hell, Peridot had those zero-point energy gauntlets and she's not even supposed to see combat.
>>82907596
>Some (probably most?) of the Invaders have succeeded in single-handedly taking over their planet.
Although to be fair, from what we've seen of the planets they've conquered, most other aliens in the universe are pretty weak and stupid.
The Tallest were surprised that humans aren't awesome badasses considering how tall they are.
>>82907704
>punch the fuck out of the Tallest's Flag Ship
The Massive is literally invulnerable.
>>82907393
>primitive tech
what about the whole teleporters and giant finger ship that can shoot giga lasers?
what about how they can combine both magic AND science
I do agree Irkens can win especially If Zim was involved.
Thing about Invader Zim is most of his plans actually can and would work BUT there is always a third party interfering other aliens.Girs stupidity and Dib often ruin his plans but despite that Zim still manages a win every now and then( the muffin throw episode or the Organ Harvest)
Not to mention Zim knows how to make things that can blow up an entier "half of an galaxy"
>>82907737
>paradoxless time travel
example?
>>82906918
Irkens:
>Capable of destroying a planet
>Capable of FTL travel
Gems:
>Capable of destroying a planet (not just the cluster, plenty of other things like the geode)
>Capable of FTL
>Most could probably regenerate after a planetary impact (from their gem)
>Can easily terraform
Space warfare is the ultimate version of "Island hopping". If you can mess with planets (destroying them, etc.) it's literally impossible to be beaten unless you are completely outclassed.
Just FTL impact the planets your enemy has. It's impossible to defend against without a super strong planetary shield, and impossible to see coming (can come from any angle and FTL means you can't see it on scanners).
Gems win. They probably wouldn't even mind blowing up the worlds either, given how their finished worlds look.
>>82907781
The fucking time travel episode.
>>82907774
>If Zim was involved
If Zim is involved, the Irkens automatically lose.
>>82907670
Oh come on anon, you know how this works. Whenever two alien species fight we (by which I mean Earth) always end up in the middle.
Kree/Skrull War - Earth
Sinestro Corps War - Earth
Autobot/Decepticon War - Earth
And they come from the same planet, so I don't know why they felt the need to come here.
>both have terriforming tech
Just occured to me.
They turned that whole damn planet into a parking lot, literally. For no daamn good reason.
>>82907781
Steven and the Stevens has him travel back in time multiple times and ends with a giant brawl between the multiple divergent Stevens. The small, handheld time machine apparently holds it all together, and destroying it activates a failsafe that disintegrates anything that isn't from the original timeline.
>>82907599
So what, you think the Irkens can beat a species that literally sucks the life force from other planets to make new soldiers.
Irken's may be vat grown and trained to be soldiers, but Gems are BORN soldiers. No training required.
>>82907811
I'm not them, but I had also completely forgotten about that.
It's funny how casually it's used in the pilot and the episode. I wonder how common that tech is on Homeworld and how often they use it to form bands.
>>82907704
watch backseat drivers from beyond the stars and you will get a pretty good idea how tough the massive is
>>82907932
Kindergartens seem to take a long time. Irkens can use that time for breeding and training.
>>82907833
would they?
they could just put zim on the homeworld planet and have him wreck it with his stupid conveluted stupid plans.
Zims pretty capable when he actually tries though
He escaped from the fast food planet
Beat that agility course the tallest sent him to Hobo-13 or something
Defeated the Hallo-weenies
Beat Tak who was far more competent than him
rather or not Zims stupid plans are successful is flat luck most of the time
>>82907954
Most likely rare and heavily restricted in use. The only one on Earth was in a temple that had a failsafe causing it's inaccessibility for 1000 years.
>>82907988
Also it seems like Gems usually set up Kindergartens on planets that seem to be uninhabited. They came to an area of Earth from what we're assuming didn't have alot of people around back then. The Gems seem to be semi-stealth invaders type.
The Irkens would just show up in your atmosphere then commence bombing the fuck out of everything.
>>82908050
Zim would have a hard time blending in. Gem-tech seems to only respond to other gems and him not being able to use anything would be a huge red-flag.
>>82908098
good thing he has access to DNA splicing technology that can literally turn people into lunch meat.
>>82907834
I wonder how all those would fare when thrown into the mix as well.
>>82907932
>Gems are BORN soldiers
Irken too.
>you think the Irkens can beat a species that literally sucks the life force from other planets to make new soldiers.
That is nothing for The Irken Empire. Remember, the only enemy of their empire is a race of REALITY WARPERS
>>82908050
Even when Zim tries, he's still a self-sabotaging idiot.
The Irkens would probably have the whole thing under control, and he'd come in and destroy the fleet or something.
>>82908132
>Gems
>DNA
Good one. They are hard light constructs capable of imitating regular matter.
>>82908132
But gems aren't made of meat, they're made of rocks and light.
I liked the thread with 40k better.
>>82908195
Except when Rose shapeshifted a biologically compatible reproductive system
>>82908197
>But gems aren't made of meat
Not yet they're not.
>>82908173
They are the top dogs in a reality where the average individual (alien, human, or otherwise) seems to be barely capable of doing more than eating, sleeping, or complaining about things.
>>82908195
then how the hell did rose have a child?
how come Gems can bruise but dont crack?
what about the gem creatures that only have 1 gem part in the middle but are mostly flesh (the invisble gem beast) or the mutated hand monsters back in the Kindegarden
>>82908225
Yeah. Shapeshifted being the operative word there.
Son, you ever try to polymorph a shapeshifter. It doesn't take.
>>82908225
>Capable of imitating regular matter
Yeah, they can make physical things.
At best Zim could sort of look like them. However, Zim still wouldn't be able to interface with most of their tech.
A dead give away, or at least an excuse for some gems to helpfully throw him into a "reprocessing" (or something) chamber if they noticed he was defective.
>>82908173
>That is nothing for The Irken Empire. Remember, the only enemy of their empire is a race of REALITY WARPERS
Wasn't that just a dream Zim used to fuck with Dib?
>>82908225
>yfw rose didn't give birth to steven at all but became re-formed into steven as a more efficient form e.g. the ep where it's shown how gems refine their respective forms after being damaged.
>>82908258
Just like the gems
>>82908219
agreed
>>82908367
The Meekrob are real and canon, anon.
>>82908373
We haven't seen the other races the Gems have come up against. Only dumb humans.
>>82908292
They generate hard light flesh. They can bruise because that flesh was damaged. They can feel pain because they have something akin to senses. Rose shape shifted a functional uterus and ovum (tailor made for a human-gem hybrid... because other than deliberate engineering try getting that to work randomly)
They can make matter easily. It's just made up of light-tech.
Destroyed constructs simply "poof" because they were hard light
The amount of, "My dad could beat up your dad" in this thread is dumb.
Can't you idiots just entertain the notion for a second and be objective?
>>82908194
Conversely, if the gems came to Zim, he'd probably end up destroying them without much effort. He's a lot more competent on the defensive.
>>82908353
>Zim shrinks down to a microscopic size
>pilots a ship and plants inteslf inside of some gems brain
>pilots them just like how Plankton did spongebob
ands that only if Zim needed to be stealthy or something.
Otherwise he could just make a blackhole machine or Literally hijack the entire planet and throw it into a sun
>>82908373
Do you even Homeworld Gems?
>>82908440
>>82908373
The humans aren't that dumb.
They are just complacent around gem stuff to a certain extent because humanity has put up with the remnants of the gem invasion for thousands of years.
It's like how humans react when we see an animal. A dangerous one might scare us, but if we see a bird in the park? Nah, no worries mate.
>>82907056
Enoby wins.
>>82908481
>Gems don't have brains (they have gems which serve as the core of their being)
>Gems can alter their own gravity better suit conditions in space (so black holes are less effective)
The one time Zim "Hijacked" a planet and threw it somewhere, he was using tech built by another race who specifically wanted their planet to be something they could drive.
Gems have tons of planets anyway, and are an engineered space race. Planets are just resource hubs, they hollow them out and make them into platforms.
>>82907981
>Halfway through
Okay survived a trip through a star. Impressive.
But I still maintain that Irken Warriors are weak.
I mean the whole premise of their strategy is stealth invasion. Striking before the enemy knows what's happening. In all out warfare, they wouldn't stand a chance. And seeing as Homeworld Gems destroys all organic life the moment they detect it, they wouldn't even get the benefit of the doubt.
Normal Species Discovering Irkens - Well they're not hurting us, lets just see how this plays out.
Gems Discovering Irkens - Organic Lifeforms detected. Charging lasers. Prepare to hollow out the planet for resources.
>>82908535
>The humans aren't that dumb.
Where are their scientists? Where is their super science? Where are their anti-gem weapons? SU humans are pathetic
>>82908292
Those fusion experiments are actually just regular gems, but shattered and stuck together.
it doesn't matter
>>82908692
I actually wonder whos smarter between Zim and Membrane.
Like who would win in a science fair.
>>82908675
>their only enemys are reality warpers
>weaks
>>82908692
We've seen doctors and such, and human tech is at the current level (so, they are at our level of intelligence).
Zimverse humans had a handful of reasonably intelligent humans and a socially inept super genius so smart even Zim wanted some of his tech at times. Zimverse humans are on literally (and I mean that literally) mentally retarded, with less than a dozen exceptions.
Didn't Zimverse humans barely cobble together a Mars rover, but then refuse to look at the (broadcasting) streams because "there wasn't funding for it"?
>>82908756
Zim is probably smarter but not because of his own ingenuity, Irkens are just more advanced. Membrane is an exceptional human.
>>82908771
I'm talking about the physical might of their soldiers. They are all tiny twig boys.
>>82908878
>Zim
>smarter than Membrane
>>82906984
Holy fuck
This is actually a valid reason
Didn't Zim make a time-travel gate that he used to weaponize Paradoxes?
Whatever. Irkens have giant robots, Gems don't, by law of Fiction, The Faction with Giant Robots will always succeed.
>>82909017
The Irken's do instinctively follow the tallest beings.
>>82908439
>Meekrob
>Beings of pure energy
You mean kinda like Gems?
>>82907834
I wouldn't want to fuck my planet up either.
>>82909098
>Giant Robots will always win
>Giant Robot Hand Ship
And that was just Peridot's ship.
What do you think Yellow Diamond's ship looks like?
>>82907471
Framed Pseudo-Bayesian Priority?
>>82907272
Top kek
>>82908675
>But I still maintain that Irken Warriors are weak.
The Irken's PAKs have some pretty impressive hardware built in. Incredibly sharp spider-legs, high-powered laser weapons, rocket boosters, and a lot of other gadgets. While the invaders are infiltration specialists, they're no slouches in personal combat.
It's also good to keep in mind their versatility. While Gems are grown into extremely specialized castes, the average Irken invader has access to all the scientific knowledge of their civilization and a wide array of gadgets and equipment. That could give them quite an edge.
>>82906918
>stitching two jpg together
>make it a png
That is nice artifacting and all and I can see why you would want to preserve it in high fidelity, but maybe it's not worth doubling the file size.
>>82909209
Their SIR units are also a great resource.
>>82908058
Its actually every 100 years on the inaccessibility thing.
Also if the hourglass IS gem tech, its 5000+ year old gem tech. Kinda scary.
was she a gem?
>>82908373
Except humans in the SU universe actually joined the Rebellion against Homeworld.
Think about it for a second.
>>82909234
>resaving lossy to get more lossy
>not being able to handle half a MB
>>82907932
>Gems are BORN soliders
>peridot
>>82908225
Producing a live organism =/= actually possessing genes, especially if holy magic is involved.
>>82909098
You do know that there was an entire episode devoted to Peridot and Pearl building their own mechs to fight each other just to see who can be the lead designer on the drill project?
I am not even kidding, they built mechs to see who was more intelligent in headlining the project. Gems are bullshit when it comes down to it.
>>82908751
Get a bunch of these to take form and attack that giant ball with an asshole, and that's GG.
>>82909467
And they built them in a barn with a box of scraps. In a few seconds.
Are you fucking serious?
Of course the Gems win. Gems are made of LIGHT and don't need to eat, while Irkens are made of flesh and need resources.
In a war of attrition - which, lets face it, it is what's going to happen -, the flesh always fails.
>>82909209
Yes but have you seen Peridot's Limb Enhancers. Similar array of useful gadgets. And while Irkens may have many skills, they are jacks of all trades, where as gem are specifically built for different tasks.
>>82909424
She's a born technician.
>>82907704
Isn't the Massive a planet-sized monstrosity that can dish and survive insane damage?
Also, those fucks had orbital bombardment.
>>82909489
>Homeworld conducted experiments on force fusing destroyed Gems to be weaponized.
>Homeworld went out of their way to use destroyed Gems of the rebellion and "recycle" them to be used as a planet sized weapon.
You do not fuck with Homeworld.
>>82906984
>>82909101
>Irken instinctively follow the tallest beings
>Yellow Diamond is massive
The gems won without a fight.
>>82909553
>Gems don't have orbital bombardment
What do you think a Red Eye is?
>>82906918
WHY MAKE THIS THREAD IF WE DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE GEM EMPIRE YOU RETARD
>>82909524
And the Tallest creaied GIR using a SIR chassis and garbage. Irken shit is practically ork tech.
>>82906918
The Irkens outnumber them by a stupidly high amount.
They could all probably wipe out the gems with baseball bats.
>>82909639
Yep, Homeworld is fucking ruthless.
>>82907809
>>82909553
Orbital bombardment is literally the easiest technique to use in space warfare.
It's one step above actually being able to get into space. We have current real life treaties banning it because it's relatively so easy.
>>82909703
>Irken outnumber gems
>There were enoughshattered gems just LYING AROUND to create this: >>82909489
Not even close.
>>82908860
As a kid I assumed a good number of humans had mandatory lobotomies except the ones who have potential like membrane due to how retarded and creepy they were.
>>82909714
Once again, Red Eye.
Gems don't even need to be in orbit. They can rain hellfire down from systems away.
>>82909526
The gems will fail to conquer Earth because of 3 billion human fleshbags and a few high tech alien helpers.
They'd fail in defeating hundreds of billions of incredibly advanced, brilliant little soldier fleshbags.
>>82909098
Gems don't need giant robots, they havegiant women
>>82909703
Gems were expanding into other galaxies over 5000 years ago, presumably after completely harvesting their home galaxy. Gems most likely number in the trillions.
Is this from a new episode? Can't find a source anywhere...
>>82909689
The "real" AI of SIR os still inside GIR according to te creator. He can see everything but can't control his body.
So the AI is still on the not completed chasi and the garbage causes malfunction.
>>82909911
That's fanart ya dummy.
Not real
This is fanart too before your stupid ass mistakes it for the real deal.
>>82909845
They didn't fail.
They just decided they didn't care about it enough to fight for it.Why conquer when it can be used to incubate a Gem Geo-Weapon
I thought that Steven Universe threads were banned from /co/ after /sug/ (aka shitpost universe general) was repeatedly sent to the >>>/trash/
>>82909703
This and the fact that they have better technology gives them a chance. Even though some gems would be taller, just like when Zim explained to the surprised tallest that humans were tall AND stupid, if height is the only advantage Sobbing Rock Ladies have, they can't do shit.
>>82909945
Source?
>>82909845
We don't know how many gems Rose got to join her side. We know there were others.
>>82908499
Fucking Jojo.
I can't stop listening to Roundabout thanks to that shit.
I MEAN JUST LISTEN TO THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tdu4uKSZ3M
>>82909714
>>82909553
The Red Eye is literally a massive bomb launched from space towards a planet.
>>82909669 is right, Homeworld does have orbital strike systems.
>>82909964
>>82904418
>>82906918
Isn't it a little too premature to make that call since we haven't fully known what the Gempire is capable of?
>>82907704
The Massive dwarves entire planets and was plunged through a sun with minimal danage.
Isn't the gem empire like the combination of tyranids and necrons, they just go around the universe killing all organic life and harvesting planets to make more of themselves, they are literally cancer on a galactic scale.
>>82909845
>>82909845
And Operation Impending Doom 1 failed because of 1 rogue Invader.
At least it took an entire faction of enemy gems to halt the advance of the Diamonds.
>>82909648
>The gems won without a fight.Not unless the Tallest make themselves even taller.
>>82910031
>Dwarfs
>>82910063
Yes, but they can't reclaim biomass/shards.
>>82910079
It failed to connence.
>>82910031
Impressive.
Nice feat of Vortian Engineering.
Too bad all the Vortians are dead.
Take it out and I doubt the Tallest could construct another one.
>>82906918
I liked the idea that the tallest are actually normal height but wear robot suits to gain power.
>>82906918
I can't fucking wait to see what else those evil gem bastards are capable of.
I don't think I've been this hyped for a show in a long time.
>>82910103
They can't fully reclaim shards, but they can re-purpose them
>>82910079
They take over entire planets with 1 invader and 1 SIR unit frequently.
The fact that one invader could fuck up that hard should tell you that they are a serious force to be reckoned with.
But until we really know more about the gempire we can't really count them out either. Their average soldiers seem to be Rubys, and depending on how Strike the Diamond plays out they could be seriously incompetent even compared to the invaders.
Thr Irken Empire. Wasn't it canon that, by the time Zim reported back for the first time, they had literally conquered all of known space, right?
The Gem Empire has at least one rebel faction; the Irken only had Zim to hold them back.
>>82910190
>the Irken only had Zim to hold them back.
And what a hindrance he is.
>>82909209
>The PAKS
Good point. An irken IS their pack. When the body is destroyed, the pak latches onti the nearest life form and iverwrites them to be irken.
Irken gem zombies.
>>82909976
Yellow Diamond is incredibly intelligent and rational, according to Peridot. And if a lowly Peridot can design a giant fighting mech and a drill that can pass through a large pocket of magma and keep Steven safe, let alone continue to run afterwards, I'm pretty sure that Yellow Diamond is both taller and more intelligent than any of the Irken.
>>82909845
>The gems will fail to conquer Earth because of 3 billion human fleshbags and a few high tech alien helpers.
I don't think they really tried all that hard. It was more like they were colonizing Earth and Rose and her asshole rebels kept breaking stuff, so they planted a huge bomb and forgot about the planet for a couple thousand years.
When they find out that the head of the Rebellion is still alive, they don't even send an invasion force. They just send a single scout craft with one soldier, one techy, and a refugee.
When Peridot is giving updates about how shit is going on Earth, Yellow Diamond can't even be bothered to give her 100% of her attention. She just wants the Earth not to be a thing she looks at when she's going through her star maps and is more annoyed that Peridot is talking back to her.
>>82908535
I disagree, I think the implication is that humans aren't actually aware of the Gems at all. Connie's mom had no idea what the gem creatures were, so even highly educated people don't know what the Gem's are. Foreign people just meeting the crystal Gems for the first time don't notice anything wrong with them, and people actively looking for them go through great, great lengths to make excuses for their actions and the results.
But Greg and Steven are shown being extremely wary about the results of gem actions more than few times, so people can clearly be aware and freak out at the Gem's actions, but it requires extensive familiarity with them.
I really think the implication there is that the Gem's are using a very subtle way of hiding themselves in plain sight. I think the next big reveal is going to be that the lighthouse is basically a giant hypnotic projector that makes actively noticing the gems and their tech impossible, you can just passively observe them and think nothing is out of the ordinary.
>>82910234
Once again, non-organic lifeforms.
Can't overwrite DNA cause their is no DNA.
They are hardlight projections.
>>82909639
I thought the gems that joined the Rebellion were used as the prototypes apart from the actual cluster? The prototypes was for punishment and the cluster was made out of newly made gems
>>82909987
Orangekisses on Tumblr.
Deleted it though for some reason.
>>82910190
Operation Impending Doom 2 was to conquer the rest of known space that they didn't get because Zim fucked up Impending Doom 1.
Also, the Irkens have a shitton of slave races, and an army of one-man world conquerors.
>>82910234
I highly doubt Irkens care WHAT the body in question is made of.
Zim managed to tweak Dib's Arm Control Nerve in spite of there literally being no such thing.
>>82910030
Actually, that's a fairly good point. I think now is too soon to actually come to a conclusion on who would win, since we know jack-shit about Homeworld and its capabilities.
>>82910103
They actually can use shattered gems to make clusters.
But that hardly even matters, because they can make new gems faster than they can be killed off.
>>82909489
The Beast Planet has had several entire planets weaponized against it and it just shrugged them off. I don't think Gems could do shit.
>>82910273
They're both organic and inorganic stones, if they didn't have any DNA at all Rose wouldnt have been able to sexually reproduce in any manner.
>>82910310
The Irkens are literally Orks from 40k with more advanced technology and a more stable and focused society. All based out of a giant indestructible Death Star.
They are absolutely terrifying when you think about it. Zim alone saved earth a ton of times from serious threats by fucking accident. It doesn't matter if the enemy is smarter or more capable, they have pure bullshit and numbers on their side.
>>82909669
It was an information gathering probe. They were checking on the Cluster.
>>82910173
>They take over entire planets with 1 invader and 1 SIR unit frequently.
I don't believe that the invader is supposed to single-handedly conquer a planet. It's said that they're sent to infiltrate a planet to study and undermine its defenses so that the Irken Armada proper will be able to conquer it easily.
>>82910459
>if they didn't have any DNA at all Rose wouldnt have been able to sexually reproduce in any manner.
If she took some of his Da's DNA (there are cells in your semen aside from sperm), modified Steven's DNA so he wasn't an exact clone of his father, then implanted some Gem-tech into him, she wouldn't have to contribute her own DNA to the process.
>>82907765
Unless you hack its power core I guess
>>82906918
Depends. The Irkens are fucked if the gems can land, but we don't know much about Gem spacecraft besides the big eyes and big hand. I don't think Irkens could take Homeworld in a surface battle, but I'm not entirely sure how the Gems' magic technology and Giant Wimmin match up against anything that isn't OTHER gem technology or giant wimmin. Homeworld fusions are lamer than Crystal Gem fusions, though, so that's probably moot.
I guess it really comes down to who could survive a long drawn out war and possible planet-nuking. I'd give it to the Gems in that case, being significantly more resilient. They can only "die" by shattering, and even then they're not really dead. If you miss some, they can bide their time indefinitely because they are literally rocks.
>>82906918
we havent seen much of homeworld technology nigga. we cant say yet
>>82910534
>I don't believe that the invader is supposed to single-handedly conquer a planet.
Except that happened in the show.
>>82910283
During Keeping it together garnet mentions the mutants used to be crystal gems since she seems to recognize some, in gem drill is pretty much confirmed most of the cluster (if not entirely) it's made up of rebels which explains why it screamed "No" when Steven told them forming would blow up the earth.
>>82910615
The Planet of Slaughtering Rat People was conquered by the only Invader that was disrespected almost as much as Zim.
>>82910484
And look how close it came to destroying a town.
Imagine a bunch of those, strategically launched at the Irken capital.
Or better yettheir snack reserves.
>>82910459
Well it wasn't a full sexual reproduction. If it wasn't she wouldn't have had to give up her physical form. It was more of integrating Greg's DNA into her Gemetic Make up to create a hybrid life-form. Part Gem/Part Human. So maybe they could take over Steven, by converting his human DNA to Irken. That's... something. Though I doubt it would work on a full Gem. And if it did, they could just poof the gem and bubble the PAK.
>>82910615
>Except that happened in the show.
Well, yes, but that's because Invader Skoodge is a top-class invading master who gets no credit because of his height. I didn't get the impression that it's normal or expected of them.
>>82910592
>but we don't know much about Gem spacecraft besides the big eyes and big hand
I would guess that most of it is based on some part of gem biology.
>mfw there really was a giant foot all along
>>82910671
The Irken capital went through a sun and came out fine on the other side. It's nigh indestructible and I doubt a bunch of red eyes could do anything to them, and that's assuming the even make it past it's defenses.
Not to mention they have entire armadas of spaceships and billions of soldiers who seem to live generally long lives and are equipped with extremely high tech.
>>82910724
>>mfw there really was a giant foot all along
There is, but it's currently trappedin the Ringo Zone.
Autistic arguments aside, how does Invader Zim hold up? I haven't watched it in a super long time and was thinking about trying to find a way to watch it, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort.
>>82910754
Their extra snack reserves are easy targets.
The Massive may have plenty of onboard snacks, but they'll have to go for a donut run someday. Otherwise they'll be stuck eating stale snacks. The Tallest can't have that.
>>82910234
I thought that killed whatever alternate host the PAK found, just leaving a dead Irken and a dead whatever.
>>82908664
But do the gems have ARM CONTROL NERVES?
>>82910814
Dib was very clearly getting flashes of Irken brainwaves, learning things and having it influence him when he tried removing it.
He wouldn't have been Biologically Irken, but he would have been Zim.
>>82910592
We know that they used to use ayyy lmao saucers complete with anti-boarder turret defenses and torture pit.
>>82910887
>torture pit
And/or a garbage compressor.
So what's the /co/nclusion?
I think Irkens have an advantage because of their death star thingy and sheer numbers although gems seem to be better when put in a 1v1 fight. So at the moment I would say the space bugs are winning, this could change depending on what we learn about homeworld.
>>82910671
The PAK could just drill right into the gem's gem
Imagine a peal with a spider legged backpack clamped on her forhead
>>82907704
>Fusion
It's looked down by every Gem as a sin. Probably because if Gems knew they could fuse, then the position of the Diamonds would be REALLY insecure. Another point is that Gem society is really unstable. It's one day away from complete civil war. While Irkens are actually bred to be completely loyal at all times.
>>82911019
>gems seem to be better when put in a 1v1 fight.
Are we sure about that? Even Zim can fuck up major physical and tactical threats in 1-on-1 combat. Dont underestimate the PAK, dude
>>82910234
>Good point. An irken IS their pack. When the body is destroyed, the pak latches onti the nearest life form and iverwrites them to be irken.
I think you're overselling it. The PAK is more like an external vital organ; while it's necessary for survival and holds part of the Irken's mind, it doesn't seem very intelligent on its own. Its parasitization function also doesn't serve much of a practical purpose; if it attaches to a biologically incompatible alien, it will simply kill the host after a few minutes, while the original Irken dies after roughly the same amount of time.
Presumably a leftover PAK could be put to good use somehow, but it's a far cry from the Gems' regeneration ability.
>Irken gem zombies.
That's also unlikely. Gems generally don't even have biological processes unless they deliberately use shapeshifting to mimic them. Plus, their actual "brains" are their gemstones, so there's not much a PAK could do.
>>82911019
Realistically, only a few small skirmishes between the two sides would happen until they realized the mass of their opponent. After that it would be an extra-galactic Cold War with both sides doing what they can to sabotage invasion efforts but avoid all out conflict due to the massive losses both sides would endure.
>>82911019
I'd agree probably Irkens.
They seem to just... ignore physical laws when it suits them, because somehow enough of them all eating on a planet at once makes it impossible to escape that planet's gravity well.
Then Zim went and did it anyway because he was bored of being banished there.
>>82911103
No, mixed fusions are looked down upon. Fusing with same gem types is encouraged and a strategy employed by Homeworld troops.
>>82908664
>tfw zim caused a planet-sized 911
>>82910270
>Connie's mom had no idea what the gem creatures were, so even highly educated people don't know what the Gem's are.
That was just for building suspense on the episode, what kind of hospital covers a non dead patient of a blanket? What kind of doctor takes vital signs with the patient covered/doesn't notice that his patient has 2 extra arms and no head
>>82911103
Fusion isn't that taboo. It's actually pretty normal for several Gems of the same type (rubies, for example) to fuse together in combat. Heterofusion is taboo, but the taboo doesn't seem all that strict; Jasper's opposition isn't exactly hatred so much as contempt, in the "only weaklings would resort to tactics like that" sense.
Probably the biggest advantage the Irkens have in this fight, aside from the seemingly invulnerable Massive, is the sheer size of their armada. The pics not exactly a good representation of this, but they really do have a fuck huge force to back them up.
That, and I'm pretty sure the first episode shows Operation: Impeding Doom(2) to be them invading other GALAXIES. So what we see of the Armada might just be the main fleet, there might be others conquering for the Empire. That, and as incompetent as the Tallest are, I think I remember that they're just puppets/figure heads, and the giant robo-brains are the ones actually in-charge.
>>82911177
Even doctor are fucking idiots in SU.
>>82911126
Are Irkens smart enough to avoid an all-out war? They seem pretty zealous about conquering and it might cloud their judgment.
>>82909845
You underestimate how overpowered some gems are. Steven accidentally used Rose Quartz's powers to create a race that is strong, has a short gestation time, is incredibly intelligent, capable of genetic modification to fit its environment and powerful enough to defeat the Crystal Gems within a day of their existence. Another example is Lapis, who can move around 1E21 kilograms of water without even straining herself. When you start factoring in fusions, which are basically power multipliers, then things get really fucked up.
>>82911136
>enough of them all eating on a planet at once makes it impossible to escape that planet's gravity well.
Because of all the mass. More people came which added to much mass to escape.
>Zim went and did it anyway
I think Zim did it before it started. If he hadn't escaped in time then there would be nothing he could do.
>>82911294
too much mass*
>>82906918
Even if the Irken lose, they win because their grinding drive towards market dominance and economics ensure they are doing what they wanted anyways, which is sell stuff, just not at crushingly abusive gunboat diplomacy terms.
I don't think such a basically decent and high minded society as the Gem Empire can really compete with that kind of brutal, galactic scale commercial interface. They'll think they "won" and are the ones in charge, but they will still be buying stuff and being comfortable with gradually creeping "convenience" and "dirty job contracting" provided by the Irken, who will be invaluable - too invaluable.
They will also inevitably look for ways to edge around the current order and cheat, but they could do it slow.
Economic/trade victory over military one.
And it's not even that they are necessarily hugely smart or cohesive, just monumentally driven and tolerant of truly shitty conditions and sacrifices. Their inherent shittiness and willingness to do ANYTHING in a bland, obsessive fashion is a real weapon.
>>82911113
I mean the average quartz soldier could easily smash an irken with it's foot and big gems dont seem to be any slower than smaller either. Now with more low level grunts like rubies i would consider the PAK thing to be an advantage but gems seem to have pretty good reflexes and even it did got a hold on them they could just retreat to their gem, smash the thing, change form, and that seems like too wide of a margin for it to be effective.
It seems like kind of a Eldar vs Orks battle.
>>82911240
The way I see it is they would have a few skirmishes, then agree to a ceasefire only to have both of them send scouts and spies to each other's planets. However due to the sheer size of the Irken empire, the gems don't have enough resources to take them over, and it's only a matter of time and countless Irken invader corpses til they find the gempire's weakness and reignite the conflict. Both sides will lose a ton of soldiers but the Irkens don't care too much about that and eventually overpower the gems.
>>82909953
>They didn't fail.
>They just decided they didn't care about it enough to fight for it
Although that might be the case that sounds hilariously like someone making an excuse
"You didn't win I just got sick of dealing with you, fuck off"
>>82911449
How large is the Irken Empire again? I remember it being multi-galactic but that would put it on part with the Authority.
>>82911504
I'M LEAVING, BUT BECAUSE I WANT TO. NOT BECAUSE YOU MADE ME.
>>82911113
The PAKs aren't super durable, they just grant access to a wide variety of tricks. I've seen Zim's spider legs get ripped off with not even a fraction of the force a gem can generate. Not to mention they have a similarly wide variety of tricks, but with more power behind them. I remember wtf-ing at Garnet's fist cannons because up until that point we've only seen Gems melee. I'd also consider Peridot's limb enhancers a match. I think most gems are more than a match for most Irkens in one-on-one combat, and the even best Irken fighters are probably not even close to being on the same level as a quartz. Irkens aren't fighters, they're infiltrators. When it's time to fight, they use war vehicles.
>>82906984
...
... shit that's actually a really good point
>Gems invade earth
>Zim isn't going to let them step on irken territory
>Gir wants to go to the karaoke.
>Zim utterly fails in stopping the gems.
>Gir wants to go to the karaoke.
>Dib teams up with the gems to take down the irkens until he discovers the terraforming plans, teams up with Zim to stop them
>They try but fail miserably earth is doomed
>Gir finally goes to the karaoke which is the gems broadcasting system, signs a song about tacos or something, finish with a high pitch and shatters all the gems
>Zim's tallest are pleased with him for all the tons of spiffy jewelry he send them
>>82911554
>wtf-ing
>>82906984
Welp, time to close the book on that discussion.
>>82911504
That really is the best way of putting it. Yellow Diamond decided that the Cluster would be worth more than the planets resources and ended the conflict. Wiping out the remainder of the Crystal Gems wouldn't have been hard considering that there were only four gems left in Rose's army.
>>82911219
The Irkens are so cool. One of my favorite alien races. Even them being stupid just makes them seem cooler.
>>82911504
It was more of an Afghanistan thing, rebels didn't gave up after 1000 years so homeworld decided to just stop wasting soldiers, put the cluster in place as a way of gainingsomething out of the slaughtering, used some kind of exterminatus type weapon on the rebels and left, only coming back to check on the cluster. Peridot mentions the homeworld records say all rebels were destroyed which is why they didn't bother sending more gems with peridot to a planet that was already pacified.
>>82906918
whichever one has the best waifus
>>82911790
THIS. Gems are pretty generic and boring.
The Irkens are actually one of the more frighteningly dangerous alien species in fiction.
Remember that competent Irkens don't die, not really -- the PAKs store a back-up of their personalities which then live on in the Control Brains, who really run the Empire.
>>82911617
>>Zim's tallest are pleased with him for all the tons of spiffy jewelry he send them
Until it all starts to grow screaming arms and grope everyone.
>>82908756
Zim built a working time machine when Membrane said time travel was just a improbable theory. I'd say Zim is smarter.
>>82911617
>Irken Scientists discover the potential that the gem pieces bring in
>Irken technology is outfitted with new gem-technology
>Megadoomers become able to sustain power without plugs by draining from whoever/whatever they walk on
Shit, what would happen if the Irkens and Gems TEAMED UP or became one hybrid race?
>>82909169
... first post best post
>>82906984
Actually, you're forgetting how really, REALLY tall the irkens are. Zim is basically the size of a human child, and the shortest non-zim irken is about twice his height. And the tallest are about 10 times that size.
So let's assume a human child is about 3-4 feet. That makes the irken tallest about 60 feet tall.They'd be on par with Yellow Diamond.
>>82911544
Is the gempire multi-galatic? I can't remember if that was ever stated or not.
I know they have taken over a ton of planet but a whole galaxy is hard to believe when earth is still just sitting there.
>>82909365
She is an underrated qt is what she is.
>>82909101
>The Irken's do instinctively follow the tallest beings.
Of their own race otherwise Zim wouldn't be able to even live on earth for a day without being found out.
>>82910378
>But that hardly even matters, because they can make new gems faster than they can be killed off.
We have no idea what kind of timescale gems are grown on.
Amethyst emerged a few hundred/thousand years after the Kindergartens were abandoned, but that was apparently what gems consider "a little overcooked". The Cluster's presumably been maturing for 5000 years.
If it takes thousands, hundreds, or even just tens of years for gems to mature, than Homeworld is at a serious disadvantage numbers-wise.
why my tallest would of course >:P
>>82911959
>Is the gempire multi-galatic? I can't remember if that was ever stated or not.
In one episode Garnet says that you can see the Gems' home galaxy in the night sky, which means it's probably not the Milky Way.
>>82911959
Garnet pointed to a star and told Steven that was the Homeworld Galaxy in the second to the last episode. They have so many planets that using one to incubate a superweapon is seen as acceptable.
>>82906984
Irkens are also xenophobic, right? Does their reverence of tallness actually apply to other races enough to get them to follow YD?
>>82910143
The writers implied it during the DVD commentaries.
>>82912010
>We have no idea what kind of timescale gems are grown on.
On the other hand, we don't know how long it takes to make an Irken smeet out of whatever it is they make smeets out of either. Granted, it's probably not as long as it takes to grow a single Gem, given that they're organic lifeforms.
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>>82908440
I would like to see the Gems go to war against these guys.
It will be like watching the Imperial Guard fight against the Covenant.
>>82911934
Where are you getting the idea that the Tallest are huge compared to the rank-and-file Irkens?
>>82911351
Irkens don't strike me as the type to just roll over to a more dominant force. They pride themselves in this shit. And even if they pretend to roll over for a while, they'll do something stupid in an attempt to double cross the gems.
Also, Irken commodities would have little value to gems. What good are the goods of a race with a culture revolving around snack foods to a race that doesn't eat?
>>82912115
IIRC from the script for the unreleased episode The Trial, Zim was 10 when he fucked up Operation Impending Doom I
Isn't the gems not needing to eat also an advantage? Are the Irkens shown to actually eat tho
>>82911934
>60 ft
They're like... maybe 10 ft.
>>82912143
It was in the first episode. Compare invader Skooge (the guy sent the ravenous weasel planet) and then compare him to Zim.
Or it might just be a size inconsistency. I don't know for sure.
>>82912198
I don't think they *need* to eat because they've got the Paks, but I think they enjoy it.
Of course, they've got literally entire planets that have been enslaved to serve the singular purpose of producing snacks/junk food so they've got a decent infrastructure to support their habit.
>Who would win in a fight: comedic cartoon aliens or relatively realistic cartoon aliens?
Whatever's funniest, so the Irkens win but Zim fucks it all up at the last second.
>>82911934
They didn't seem very much taller than adult humans. I think your sense of scale is all fucked up, broheim.
>>82912288
>>82912221
It's been ten years since I saw the first episode, so things are fuzzy.
>>82912143
I'd guesstimate that the average adult human would come up to around the Tallest's shoulders, maybe a bit less.
>>82912180
We were shown Zim's "birth", though. From the way the factory worked, it seemed like an Irken is expected to be ready to serve from the moment they're poured out of the tube and have their PAK plugged in.
>>82912198
>Isn't the gems not needing to eat also an advantage?
Irkens don't need to eat either. Their PAK can take care of all their biological needs. Snacks are seen as a luxury good in their culture.
>>82912198
Gem logistics would be incredibly easy to manage. They don't sleep, they don't eat, and can replicate anything they need alarmingly quickly so long as they have an original copy. They can also apparently move between galaxies in an acceptable timeframe, so the moving of replacement parts from factories to the front would be fairly easy.
>>82912069
nope, rat people and the fastfood planet people were taller and they were slaves
>>82909017
>>82909648
>>82911556
>>82911631
they follow the tallest irken
>>82906918
>Hello fellow Gems. My name is... Rock, and I come from... someplace far away. I believe the Irken armada to be an inconsequential threat. In fact, I would go so far as to say we could shut down all planetary defenses and not have to worry in the slightest.
>>82911554
I dunno, Zim alone has shown feats of strength throughout the show. He judo flipped a large fat woman and flicked away Dib like a flea with his wrist. Irkens may also be physically strong.
>>82912255
Since we don't know exactly what the PAKS are or what they do, we don't really know how far their life support capabilities extend. If Irkens really don't need to eat, their biological components have to be getting energy from somewhere, and if that somewhere is their PAKS, it's still exhaustible.
>>82912375
Why would a clod like you tell a diamond how to act?
Good thing you're just talking to her Pearl or else you would have gotten stomped on
>>82911384
Eh PAKs are pretty damn agile and quick to deploy. On top of that they can hold a lot more weight than the spindly legs would lead you to believe.
Then there's the fact that it has a shield generator as well as precision lasers that can cut through several feet of metal with no issues.
PAKs are pretty over powered
>>82912347
>I'd guesstimate that the average adult human would come up to around the Tallest's shoulders, maybe a bit less.
Honestly, the average adult human is probably taller than the Almighty Tallest. Remember that kids in the Invader Zim style are like, tiny gremlin creatures.
>>82912375
I like the way "Rock" thinks.
>angry space giraffe covered in gems
versus
>ayy lmanlets
Either way, we're guaranteed a show.
>>82912375
If this all took place under the logic of IV this would work.
>>82912458
They are also forgetting SIRs who are easily mass produced and are probably used as foot soldiers more often than the Irkens themselves. Not only are they highly adaptable and strong, they have built in weapons.
>>82912375
Now if this was in Zim's universe it would work... until his ego kicked in.
Not so sure about SU universe.
>>82907558
>one Jasper could take out the entire starting line-up of Operation Impending Doom 2
And i am pretty sure that guys like Sizz-Lorr can defeat Jasper
>>82912069
But anon,gems can shapeshift.
>>82911617
Dib couldn't be trusted. He's a more sociopathic Ranaldo who would probably try to capture one of the gems himself if he discovered them.
> Irken training graduation is to conquer a whole planet ALONE
> there isn't proof so far of someone failing besides Zim
> Gems sends an army to conquer Earth
> they fails against three rebels and humans
lolololol
Gems maybe are all magical and light body you want, but they are as easily beaten as an spear in their weak spot. Irken are a technological warrior nation.
It's like 1000 templar knights facing against 100 navy seals.Irken will eventually success
>>82912733
The Irken are fighting the Authority, not the Crystal Gems.
>>82912721
>gem infiltrator
>shapeshifts into the tallest
Welp.
>>82912469
>Honestly, the average adult human is probably taller than the Almighty Tallest.
There's actually an episode where Zim is reporting to the Tallest and he informs them that the humans are perhaps as tall as them.
The Tallest were flabbergasted at Zim's description of humans. Zim said they were dumb, but how could anything that tall be dumb?
>>82912721
"This guy is a weird color but I can't argue with his height. Give him the keys to the fleet."
