Round-up of recent leaks and rumors.
>30,000 years ago, an alliance between Man, the Atlanteans and the Amazons repelled Darkseid's invasion on Earth, and Darkseid's secret weapon, the Mother Boxes, were left behind and divided among the three races.
>Themyscira and Atlantis entered a centuries-long feud that led both to abandon the human race.
>Black Canary was the leader of the human alliance.
>On present day, Batman is attempting to recruit meta-humans to defend Earth in the wake of Superman's death. He and Wonder Woman approach Aquaman, but he declines due to his grievances with both the Amazons and the humans.
>The Flash and Cyborg join Batman's team, and become friends as they're both rookies struggling to control their powers, and the youngest members of the team.
>Lex Luthor's experiments with the Kryptonian scout ship have provided a map to Earth. Steppenwolf then attacks the planet with a horde of parademons to retrieve the Mother Boxes so Apokolips can continue its efforts to subjugate the Universe.
>The Mother Boxes are scattered on Themyscira, Atlantis and with the United States government, and the Justice League races against time to retrieve them before Steppenwolf. Aquaman begrudgingly joins their efforts.
>Cyborg is instrumental to repelling Steppenwolf's offensive as he was rebuilt with Apokoliptian technology from the Mother Box.
>Meanwhile, Superman begins his journey to return to life.
>Darkseid only appears in the prologue and the epilogue.
>The post-apocalyptic future in Batman's visions will be revisited.
>Lois Lane, Perry White, Alfred Pennyworth, Commissioner James Gordon, Iris West, Mera and Silas Stone have minor roles.
>Willem Dafoe is playing an Atlantean elder privy to the secrets of Darkseid's attack.
>>82852867
>MacGuffin hunt movie with the Mother Boxes
Really? Snyder does realise they aren't really a DC equivalent for the Infinity Gems, right?
>Black Canary is not a present day character
Fucking hell, WB just can't get this shit right...
>>82852867
Why are you making this thread every day?
>>82852957
>Why are you making this thread every day?
>>82852867
>Black Canady existed thousands of years ago
That's such a bizarre way of being stupid.
>More Knightmare
Get ready for more inconsequential trailer fodder containing whatever else Zack thinks is cool but couldn't jam into Sucker Punch.
>>82852867
Has a few motherboxs ever being that big a deal to apokalips in any comics
>>82852867
>>Meanwhile, Superman begins his journey to return to life.
oh god, its gonna be full of jesus christ undertones and he is gonna resurrect either 3 weeks, 3 months or 3 years after his death isn't it?
>>82852867
You know this mostly just seems bad aposed to the outright retardation synder normaly pulls
That said there could have been plenty of less retarded reasons for aquaman not to join the league at first this is covered in almost every justice league story
>>82853072
Oh also I like that in seems cyborgs power level will be toned down from what it currently is.
>>82852867
Nice Avengers ripoff
>>82852867
>>Black Canary was the leader of the human alliance.
You fucking what?
>>82853037
Motherboxes have never been that big a deal, period. They're like sentient divine Iphones, not bullshit cosmic power ups.
>>82853124
I guess somebody saw Clan of the Cave Bear?
>>On present day, Batman is attempting to recruit meta-humans to defend Earth in the wake of Superman's death.
Hi, i'm Batman. An ordinary (also rich, but I will not tell you this) citizen that overnight dresses as a bat and goes out to kill criminals with vulcan, machine gun and deadly martial arts.
In short, I'm a murderer acting illegally.
Would you join my team?
>>82853138
I thought so
>>82853072
I rescind my statement synder is a fucking hack
>>82853030
>That's such a bizarre way of being stupid.
Sums up WB's DCEU in a sentence anon.
>>82853040
He's being resurrected on the third movie after his death, so they got that covered
>>82852867
Black Canary did what now?
>she'll uh yah know. Be ehhhhh leader of the humans,..yeah.
When?!
>Like ehhhhh, thousands of years ago or something.
>>82852867
>Meanwhile, Superman begins his journey to return to life
Do tell me that Snyder wants to adapt "For the man who has everything" with some "Escape from Paradise".
Welp.
>>82852867
In most continuity's the Atlantis of 30000 years ago is a completely difrent civilisation to that of today
>>82852867
Good lord that's intelligence
>>82852867
>>Meanwhile, Superman begins his journey to return to life.
>>Meanwhile
We're going to get 4 films deep into this franchise before Superman finally completes his hero's journey at this rate.
>>82853265
I'm not even a big superman fan but during BvS I was like FUCKING LET SUPERMAN BE A HERO. GODDAMN BVS
>>82853288
>>82853265
He's snapping necks in Heaven now. Sniff...
Oh, G-d bless you Zachary. May the Angels smile upon you in your sacred work!
>>82853265
No. We are getting this
>>82853288
But the horses drowned, anon. DON'T YOU GET IT?
>>82853363
Oh look, another dream. FUCK YOU SNYDER
>>82852867
>ZACK SNYDER'S
>>82853163
Is there any other group I can join?
>>82853494
why do you lie to us anon?
You're just as curious as the rest of us to see how Snyder will disappoint us this time around
>>82852867
>>82853494
This tbqh famila
>30,000 years ago, an alliance between Man, the Atlanteans and the Amazons repelled Darkseid's invasion on Earth, and Darkseid's secret weapon, the Mother Boxes, were left behind and divided among the three races.
Holy shit, this is so fucking bad and stupid, it's bupid
>>82852867
>retards actually believe Black Canary will be in the movie
>>82853580
That BC was killed off in Arrow supports the idea.
>>82852867
>1 Snyder 15:3–7: "... that SuperJesus died for our sins in accordance with the Scripts, that he was buried, that he was raised in the third movie in accordance with the Scripts.
>Meanwhile, Superman begins his journey to return to life.
>Superman must journey through Heaven, Hell and Purgatory and meet his real father God and receive divine powers to come back to life and stop Space Lufcifer who was ordered by Space Satan to get the boxes
>Rated PG 13
Did you guys see the released pic yesterday?
I try to imagine a Shazam / Captain Marvel movie who miraculously is hailed by fans and critique as a film masterpiece. An exciting solar film with a young protagonist who likes to be a hero and is an example of honesty and heroism without unnecessary angst.
A film that realizes alone something like 1.5 billion... yeah, not gonna happen, but it's just a dream.
If something like this were to happen, DC would have the head for reconsider the basis of their entire cinematic universe and kick out Snyder?
You guys think Snyder willlearn from his mistakes?
>>82853764
Ha, no.
>>82853764
Can he learn? And does he even recognize the mistakes?
>>82853764
>>82853776
>>82853787
"There are no mistakes, anon. You just don't get it.
It's a very abstract post meta deconstruction of modern mythological icons"
t. Zack
O SUMMA & ÆTERNA VITUS ALTISSIMI, QUI TE DISPONENTE HIS JUDICIO VOCATIS, VAYCHEON, SIMULAMATON, EXEPHARES, TETRAGRAMMATON, OLYORAM, IRION, ESYTION, EXISTION, ERYONA, ONELA, BRASYM, NOYM, MESSIAS, SOTHER, EMANUEL, SABAOTH, ADONAY, TE ADORO, TE INVOCO, TOTIUS MENTIS VIRIBUS MEIS IMPLORO, QUATENUS PER TE PRÆSENTES ORATIONES & CONSECRATIONES & CONJURATIONES CONSECRENTUR VIDELICET, & UBICUNQUE MALIGNI SPIRITUS IN VIRTUTE TUORUM NOMINUM SUNT VOCATI, & OMNI PARTE CONVENIANT, & VOLUNTATEM MEI EXORCISATORIS DILIGENTER ADIMPLEANT, FIAT, FIAT, FIAT AMEN.
>>82852908
And they're doing it before Infinity War, Marvel BTFO!
>>82853973
the hunt for the McGuffin is already happening in the MCU
>>82852916
>>82852867
>>82853030
>yfw the JSA is from 30, 000 years in the past
>the JL is formed based on their legend
>Starheart is Prometheus' flame
>Jay is Mercury given human form
Welcome to Snyder motherfuckers
>>82853265
>By the end of JL Part 2, Superman will have only been in 3 movies while Batman will have been in 5
>Black Canary is thousands of years old
>Mother Boxes are all powerful super MacGuffins
Who else but Zack the Hack?
>>82853990
It's not real a scavenger hunt though, more like "this plot fevice cameo will be important nine movies down the line, you guys!"
>>82853995
f-fuck
>>82854061
GotG was hunt/fight for who gets the McGuffin though.
>Justice League is set for November of 2017
>Star Wars Episode 8 is set for December 2017
Welp, Justice League better make it's money fast because once Star Wars drops, it's over.
>>82854061
But they are important in the movies they're in. Fuck, Vision is powered by one.
>>82853764
Do we want him to learn from his mistakes, tho? Last time he (kind of) did we got "WE HAVE TO BRING THE MONSTER TO THIS AREA OF THE TOWN THAT'S COMPLETELY EMPTY I SWEAR, THANK GOD THE WORKERS ARE HOME SO THE BUILDINGS CAN COLLAPSE NO PROB"
>>82852867
>>30,000 years ago, an alliance between Man, the Atlanteans and the Amazons repelled Darkseid's invasion on Earth, and Darkseid's secret weapon, the Mother Boxes, were left behind and divided among the three races.
this scene is gonna get a glorious 300/Snyder-esque montage and it will be glorious, yeah I said it twice for a reason.
>>82853763
Oh god synder on captain marvel is to horrible to contemplate he already ruined one nice guy.
>>82853764
I wish
Why does it seems like artists willing to take and learn from criticism seem to be in the minority these days (I'm looking at you fosgit)
>>82852867
>Throw the Matrix of Leadership into the fires of Apokalips Frodo!
>>82853764
this time I trust Ben as he is taking Nolans role to watch over Snyder, it was obvious Nolan doesn't give a shit about the DCEU and was only there to get paid.
>>82854361
Does he not remember what happened last time something got thrown into one of those pits
>>82854140
That was less learning from his mistakes and more like "this will appease the critics right?" not knowing that repeating "THIS AREA IS ABANDONED" on three separate occasions makes you look obviously desperate as fuck
>>82854534
>not knowing that repeating "THIS AREA IS ABANDONED" on three separate occasions makes you look obviously desperate as fuck
Are you implying Jack synder is not a master of subtly anon
>>82854534
How many moments like that were in the movie?
>First thing Superman does against DD is trying to take the battle into space, only to give up 20 seconds later
>>82852867
>Lex Luthor's experiments with the Kryptonian scout ship have provided a map to Earth.
AGAIN?! Why hasn't this fucking ship been thrown into the sun yet?
>>82854641
Because Superman died
>>82854589
There were three times. The first was by Batman when Doomsday first comes out and lands on the island, the second time was by the news, the third time was by Batman again when he tries to rationalize why he brought Doomsday back into the city
> 30,000 years ago, an alliance between Man, the Atlanteans and the Amazons repelled Darkseid
I'M ALREADY MAD /co/
I HAVE NEVER BEEN THIS MAD
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>30, 000 years
Uh did humanity as we know it even exist at that point?
Wouldnt 3000 years make way more sense?
>>82853995
>tfw 90% of Snyders ideas would make a cool elseworld but make an awful mainline movieverse
>>82853973
they also did a 'the two main superheroes are made to fight by a supervillain' film before Marvel, Marvel BTFO!
Oh wait
>>82854797
Humans existed but there were nothing more than tribal animals.
>>82854797
Humans were cavemen back then, I really have no fucking clue what they could contribute to the fight
>>82854844
Jesus.
>>82854844
Vandal Savage and Anthro, you filthy pleb.
>>82854904
I will be disappointed if savage is not in the flashback but also relived synder did not get his hands on him
>>82854904
What's Savage gonna do? order cavemen to throw rocks at Darkseid's forces?
While he meticulously prepares his master plan of launching bigger rocks at Darkseid?
>>82854797
>>82854844
3000 years ago is only 1000 BC. There were enough kings around for events to be written (lost accounts maybe).
30,000 years ago is enough time for things like alien invasions to be forgotten.It's still pretty dumb, though
>>82854844
Maybe they could fight Darkseid with their newly-domesticated dogs.
>TFW you are a minor comic book character on Earth 33, and your only purpose is to watch Anti-Life media and die for Darkseid.
>>82854745
Don't worry, box office will punish them.
>atlanteans, humans and amazons
>taking on darkseid
Supes is going to one shot him without breaking a sweat, isn't he?
For fuck's sake, this is horrible.
>>82855002
fugging Ungga. me tell tribes wolf pets were mistake but they no listen.
Me better idea of lion pets, now me laugh at Ungga useless "doge" against angry sky Gods
>>82852867
>Darkseid only appears in the prologue and the epilogue.
I'm already disappointed.
Snyder, don't talk to me or my kryptonian son ever again.
>>82854978
This is funny
>Your plan isn't working sir
>This isn't my plan. It's a distraction so they don't notice my actual plan
>which is what, sir?
>A BIGGER ROCK
>>82855133
Sounds like a good plan.
>>82852867
>>Darkseid only appears in the prologue and the epilogue.
>>82855133
THEY'LL NEVER SEE IT COMING!
>>82854978
There's something I really like about a stone age mad scientist
>>82855080
>>82855168
I mean, Justice League: War was flawed enough. Do y'all really want a repeat of that plot with Darksnyd at the helm?
Would you prefer to discretely choke down a cat turd or be forced to gargle maggot infested liquid shit from a rotten port-a-potty? Philosophically speaking.
>>82855256
I don't like reading this post
>>82853124
>they killed off Katie Cassidy for this shit
>>82852867
You got the Black Canary thing wrong. She's supposed to be the DESCENDENT of one of the human leaders from that 30,000 fight.
>>82854114
It was already over, they're just looking for a scapegoat now.
>30,000 years ago
>Black Canary
>yfw This is the sound she makes when she screams
https://youtu.be/fPwxqy11MrI?t=50s
>>82855347
The ancestor will be the Dinah Drake equivalent while modern is Dinah Laurel.
Hope everyone is hyped for ancient era JSA
So is there an actual source for any of this?
>>82854114
So hold the review embargo until like the day before release and release everywhere all at once. Worked for bvs.
>>82855296
Yeah thinking about Snyder directing JL makes me want to throw up too.
>yfw Marvel is going to use JL as what not to do for Infinity War
>>82855485
Did it? Fucking Civil War has already made 100 million dollars more than BvS after only being out for 3 weeks. Zootopia outgrossed BvS. Jungle Book isn't to far off from doing the same.
>>82852867
uh
arent mother boxes new genesis tech?
>>82855473
Faraci, Heroic Hollywood, whatever clickbait shit is used here.
>>82854904
I know this isn't exactly the right time, but Black Adam and the ancient Blue Beetle would be pretty cool additions too.
>>82855485
>release everywhere all at once
Beware mass exposure to the equation! Do not allow contact without the protective warpaint of the new gods.
>>82855039
He would oneshot ancient Darkseid. You really think someone would spend 30,000 years without training after getting embarrassingly defeated by such a weak planet? The other guys would make fun of Darkseid for being so weak.
>>82855347
El Mayimbe said she herself is the leader.
>>82855521
>Did it?
I contend bvs wouldn't have made nearly as much as it did if people were informed ahead of time.
>>82853363
But that Pa was based.
Alright folk time to guess which company gets the awkward product placement
>MoS = Sears
>BvS = T*rkish Airlines
>JL Part 1 = ???????
>>82855610
nigga, Syder is the Thing at the End of the Story
>>82855465
>>82853995
>>82854904
>>82855569
>Hippolyta in the Wondy gear teaming up with the ancient JSA
>E2 Jay origin
>Prometheus' flame Starheart
>previous incarnation of Carter
>Nabu before getting sealed into the helmet
>Wildcat as a tribes warrior champion who wears Aztec styled clothes
Man FUCK Snyder for ruining a potentially awesome elseworld
>>82855761
BP for Aquaman.
Microsoft for Cyborg.
Hardee's/Carl's Jr. for Flash.
>>82855797
>>82855485
It won't work again. People now expect DC movies to suck.
>>82855885
How do you know he's ruined it?
>>82852867
KINO!
>>82853494
>>82853540
>how to pleb 101
>>82853973
They also made their Hero vs Hero movie before Marvel and we all know what happened with that
>>82855761
They will straight up stop the movie in the middle of a torture scene with a 90 degree total shift, just like JL: War, so that they can redo the Wonder Woman Learns What Ice Cream Is scene yet again because "everyone liked it the first time" only this time it'll be at a Bask 'n' Robins. Then they'll make an out of touch joke about everyone twerking, and cut back to the torture scene.
>>82856045
>Critics: i-it's bad! J-just wait for the next Marvel movie! Don't watch it, just trust us. We wouldn't lie to you, would we?
>>82856179
>this delusion
>>82856093
>Bask 'n' Robins
>Bask 'n' Robins always knows
>Bask 'n' Robins was actually the ones who took the footage of the JL "trailers" WW saw
P O T T E R Y
nth for >cyborg as main JL member
wew lad
>>82856218
BvS had many, MANY obvious and easy to avoid flaws.
Critics mostly criticised for the wrong -not like marvel happy for the whole family style- reasons.
Both of this statements can be right.
>>82854797
sortof.
our knowledge of ancient history is spotty.
Stonehenge is 2000-3000BC.
Sphinx 2500BC
various tombs and pyramids 2000-4000BC.
some kind of ritual ground. 10,000BC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
Oldest known buildings are 21,000BC ( a walled cave)
Some theorize human settlements/cities are at least as old as 30,000BC. Just wood, etc. Materials that would not last long enough for us to find.
>>82855485
>Worked for bvs.
That isn't going to work a second time
>>82856482
>Critics mostly criticised for the wrong -not like marvel happy for the whole family style- reasons.
No they didn't
>>82856482
What were the flaws? Visuals were alright to me. Good sounds, music was amazing. I don't understand the "bad editing" meme because the scenes flowed well to me, unlike in Batman Begins where it jumps all over the place. The plot made sense if you paid attention, and everyone was a better character at the end, except Luthor because he's a bad guy.
>>82852867
>>Black Canary was the leader of the human alliance.
mfw there's a Alternate universe where Bruce Timm and Dawryn Cooke are at the helm of DC films
>>82854797
30000 years ago was the age of the Cro-Magnon and shit... Wait a minute... Cro-Magnon in a DC movie? Vandal Savage confirmed?
>>82856626
>what were the flaws
Everything about Luthor
The bullets in africa plot
Grumpy superman all around
Freaking red lights everywhere in the fight with doomsday. So many lights. Doesn't he know explosions lose impact if you put one after the other?
Superman not finding a non retarded way to explain the situation without a fight.
Superman dying to rise 10 minutes later.
Superman needing bjs for emotional support.
I'm on the fence about Martha.
>>82856983
Don't forget
>Superman can tell where Lois is at all times, but for some reason can't hear his own mother getting kidnapped
>>82856676
SOON EVEN THAT FOOLISH UNIVERSE WILL SURRENDER TO MY WILL.
SUBMIT TO ANTI-LIFE, AMPHIBIAN. ANTI-LIFE JUSTIFIES YOUR SORROW.
>>82857076
Ah, yeah, this too.
>>82852867
>Black Canary was the leader of the human alliance.
Come the fuck on
>>82852867
>The Mother Boxes are scattered on Themyscira, Atlantis and with the United States government
>the United States government
Stop. Cyborg is a mother box, we saw that happen.
Confirmed bullshit. Remember when Metallo was going to be the punchy villain in BvS and Wonder Woman was going to be a super spy secret agent Diana Prince?
>>82856626
Wow really, you're gonna shit on the actual better director Nolan like that?
>>82857261
>Remember when Metallo was going to be the punchy villain in BvS
Thinking about it, leg-less guy kinda felt like the set up for a Metallo
I don't want this to do bad but on the other hand I really want another disaster of epic proportions like when the BvS review embargo was lifted. That was amazing
>>82854140
But no buildings fell in BVS dumb fuck.
>>82854589
>only to give up 20 seconds later
You call taking a nuke at point blank range giving up?
Fuck you dude.
DD returned to earth alone while Clark had to heal and upon his return to Earth he probably felt it wise to fight with the team.
>>82856626
>I don't understand the "bad editing" meme because the scenes flowed well to me
>Scene starts
>Bruce walks up to his destroyed manor
>"Alfred, my family is hunters"
>Scene ends
>Black Canary was the leader of the human alliance.
wut
>>82853767
Chris Evans needs to play Rance in a live-action adaption with that laugh
>>82854140
>>82854534
What the god damn fuck do you want?
You want no fight scenes in a trinity movie?
You want them to fight in boring as fuck empty forest or desserts?
>>82857423
You're fucking pathetic, and I'm not even the guy you're replying to.
>>82857481
I wanted a good movie
>>82857481
they want heroes to be shown saving civilians mid battle like the avengers do
for some reason
>>82856983
>Everything about Luthor
I think Luthor was portrayed well. A "modernized" version who was still incredibly intelligent and menacing.
>The bullets in africa plot
It shows why the government didn't get involved to clear Superman's name. The government in the DCEU is resourceful, but cowardly. If investigated, the military would be implicated, as shown by Lois's first conclusion that it must have been the military who gave them the bullets.
>Grumpy superman all around
This was an important part of the movie. He wanted to save people without seeming like a god and didn't know how to stop them from worshipping him without making it worse. He felt he finally had the chance to at the courthouse, but then it blew up.
>Freaking red lights everywhere in the fight with doomsday. So many lights. Doesn't he know explosions lose impact if you put one after the other?
That's fair. I personally liked it and thought it was a good way to show Doomsday's power and how it grows based on the energy absorbed though.
>Superman not finding a non retarded way to explain the situation without a fight.
I don't think any way could have worked. It would just make the scene slightly different, considering how Batman was out for blood until the Martha scene.
>Superman dying to rise 10 minutes later.
Superman's sacrifice isn't any less heroic just because you know he's coming back. Similar to Jesus (thanks Snyder). But also similar to Captain America's fight with Bucky in Winter Soldier. HE didn't know for sure that he would survive, but the audience did.
>Superman needing bjs for emotional support.
He learned it from his dad. "Yeah well I was mad like you 'til I met your mom. Trust me, getting a gf solves ALL your problems."
I think Martha was a good scene that was in line with Batman's emotional character.
Good, good. Anti-Life justifies your arguments. Anti-Life justifies your hate. Watch Anti-Life. Talk about Anti-Life. Fight over Anti-Life.
Now open up a video of Harley Quinn and masturbate for Granny.
>>82856626
Bad editing:
>no establishing shots
>dream sequences over and over, one even leading directly into another
>Just as Superman's flying out for his big title battle with Batman we get to see WW checking her email
>When Superman says Martha we have to watch the sequence of Batman's parents getting shot again just so we don't forget his mother's name
>>82853764
Does he know he's made mistakes?
>>82857481
Not him, but I want a movie that actually cares about the lives of civilians and has heroes actually try to save people even if they fail, not a movie that unironically gives us the "Conveniently empty building" joke that Megas XLR did 15 years ago.
>>82856983
>Superman dying to rise 10 minutes later.
Unlike the comics his death serves a purpose beyond publicity, here it solidifies his noble intent to the world once & for all.
>>82857732
You need to stop this. I get you're going for bumps and I appreciate that, as I want to have these threads despite the shitposters. But it's not cute anymore. It's kind of embarrassing.
>>82855901
my nigga
>>82857630
>Eiseberg Luthor is menacing
Yeah, no.
>Superman's sacrifice isn't any less heroic just because you know he's coming back
It's not the fact that we know he's coming back; it's the back that the Death of SUperman was a major story, and Snyder blew his fucking load by killing Supes in the second movie in this new universe.
>>82857777
Check of Em
Well, that's it.
This is going to be a daily shitposting general.
>>82855521
But those are good movies. They don't need to resort to those tactics.
>>82857789
YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
YOU CAN NOT STOP IN THE MIDDLE OF A ONE ON ONE FIGHT TO SAVE PEOPLE.
IT WOULD BE DIRECTLY GIVING YOUR OPPONENT A OPPORTUNITY TO ATTACK YOU, WHO YOUR RESCUING OR OTHER PEOPLE.
Zod said he would kill every person on earth to spite Clark.
Clark doing ANYTHING but keeping Zod focused on himself would have been horrifically reckless.
The one time Clark let his guard down and looked back up at the parking garage Zod was INSTANTLY upon him punching him down.
Had that been Clark carrying someone to safety then that person would have been ripped out of his arms into pieces.
>>82857853
>he seriously wants to talk about BvS
laughingfuries.jpg
>>82857627
>for some reason
Yeah, "for some reason" people expect heroes to be eroic. How weird. Out of this world. Such irrational expectations. Obviously all you need to be a hero is punching someone, especially if you're Superman. If you have such amazing powers, it is your precise duty to punch a supervillain, possibly causing damage in the process. All the rest? Pointless bullshit, just let humans save themselves while you punch and look angry, and the burning eyes make for a good shot too!
>>82853841
That's honestly too eloquent to be Zack.
That's the thing that bugs me the most. Zack's fans (and at this point I think it's not even fans. I think it's contrarian douchebags) create this huge articulate mythology around the guy but Zack himself?
"I just like skulls...I dunno. Arex are cool. I just like them. We just gotta explore it. I could have them talk, but I don't know, you know? It just didn't feel right."
It's like Snyder's fans are those new age indigo child parents that see their kid shitting in the middle of a grocery store and interpret that as them being a free spirit that throws off the shackles of conventional society.
>>82857630
>The bullets in africa plot
The main problem was how much time was spent showing Lois investigating the plot, because Superman figures it out by himself. Lois never tells anyone what she learns and it becomes irrelevant.
>>82857987
>All the rest? Pointless bullshit, just let humans save themselves
Isn't that exactly what the Kents taught their son?
>>82857949
>IT WOULD BE DIRECTLY GIVING YOUR OPPONENT A OPPORTUNITY TO ATTACK YOU, WHO YOUR RESCUING OR OTHER PEOPLE.
Clark gets punched away a dozen times in the fight and Zod follows him. Zod doesn't go smashing cars. He doesn't go to find another civilian to kill, he follows Clark the entire time.
Capslock won't change that, and it won't change the fact that the lack of attempt on Clark's part is a characterizing action.
>>82857630
>I think Luthor was portrayed well
>intelligent and menacing
No. What would make him intelligent and as a result menacing was having a good plan. His plan dependent on his enemies being beyong moronic.
>bullets
It makes no sense for superman to be blamed for people being shot by mercenaries.
>any way could have worked
Float and talk. Fly around bats fast while talking to avoid strikes.
Carve the message on a wall with heat vision. Anything
>sacrifice isn't less heroic
That's not the problem. It would have been just as heroic without him dying, just being beaten up. If you bring DEATH in, why bring it unless DEATH has impact. But it has no impact. It is undone in 10 minutes.
>supes learned from his dad
Yes, and? He could have learned it from his dad. He could also behave differently from his dad, he doesn't have to copy. Both are valid. Why Snyder thought an emotionally crippled and dependant supes is entertaining is the question.
>grumpy because they see him like god
Again, as above. He could have been concerned without being a whiny moping cryfestival. Snyder's version was also possible, yes, but again, why choose this as your main hero?
And yo still have : he could keep track of lois by her heartbeat everywhere, but not his mom? Why?
>>82857481
Well first of all, I figured that even if I didn't like how things played out in MoS, I thought that Snyder would stick to his guns and do what he wanted to do when it came to fights considering all he said to justify all the destruction in MoS. I mean, you remember all that stuff he said right? About how he wanted to convey the real threat of destruction? Seeing him completely balk on this in an attempt to win back the crowd in such a poor manner (seriously, THREE TIMES they said "x place was abandoned) is just embarassing.
Second, I was already not liking the movie since the bomb went off and we didn't get to hear Supes relay his view to the rest of the world but when I realized none of this really mattered because it was just going to end in one big slobberknock against a cave troll, I was kind of just annoyed at this point.
Last, I would have been happy if the choreography was anything at the level of Man of Steel but, nah.
>>82858045
Maybe
>>82857987
If they stop to help the civilians and the opponent uses this to sneak attack Clark and cripple or kill him then their won't be anyone to save civilians including themselves.
Stopping the rampaging villain IS FUCKING SAVING PEOPLE you dense mother fucker.
>>82852867
>Ancient JSA
I wonder how the poor Cereal King will feel...
>>82858129
>rampaging villain
Zod was tunnel-visioned on Superman the entire fight. All he had to do was take the fight out of the city.
>>82858129
>Stopping the rampaging villain IS FUCKING SAVING PEOPLE you dense mother fucker.
Zod never actually rampages until the last ten slow motion heat vision seconds of the fight. He jut goes for Clark. Whining and calling everyone idiots doesn't suddenly create new footage.
>>82857989
OR OR... we just like dark serious epic as fuck comic adaptions and don't give a fuck about Zach beyond that.
I doubt I'll ever see Sucker Punch but I fucking love MOS and like BVS.
>>82855954
There's this movie out in theatres now called Batman V Superman Dawn of Justice.
>>82858045
No Pa taught Clark to consider the big picture. To consider the thousands if not millions in danger not just the handful in your immediate vicinity.
>>82857987
>expect heroes to be heroic
I was under the impression that defeating world ending threats at the risk of your life already counts as heroic.
Not to mention both supes and bats have been shown saving people already.
Why does it have to be mid battle?
![Michael_Cera_-_001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wQZTVv5.jpg "Michael_Cera_-_001[1].jpg")
Alright /co/
you are now a WB casting agent
cast the JL movie
>Darkseid
>>82858219
>we just like dark serious epic as fuck comic adaptions
Well, one out of four isn't bad. It is dark.
It's not serious, because the lack of emotional range just turns it into a melodrama akin to mexican soap operas. BvS, for all its self-seriousness, has only succeeded in becoming this season's late night go to punch line.
It's not epic, because despite its size and scope, it lacks any acual sense of scale or surprise. It's all one big boring forgone conclusion with a wooden cast and railroaded, telegraphed plot decisions.
And it's not an adaptation, because when you take one page from a dozen different books and staple them together, that's not a new and coherent story. It's just a mess of references and over the top violence. It's a family guy episode, not citizen kane.
>tfw 12 year old me doomed us all by wishing for a Justice League movie
There must have been a Monkey Paw or some shit nearby.
>>82858266
>No Pa taught Clark to consider the big picture.
Which he doesn't do. Which is the entire point of his "character arc" if it can even be called that in BvS.
The fact of the matter is that Clark's hero's journey is one big depressing slog to the ultimate end of getting him to act like he did back when he was ELEVEN.
>>82858052
Yes because Clark kept the fight between them.
The civilians never caught his attention.
>a characterizing action.
Yes it characterizes him as intelligent person that understands that stopping the guy that can kill the entire human race BY HAND is more fucking important then rescuing a handful of people in the streets right this very second.
There is no fucking way he could save people considering how fast Zod movies it's fucking impossible.
>"Clark moves the same speed or faster"
Yes but when he is carrying people in his arms he has to slow down considerably or risk tearing their bodies apart.
>>82853764
The question is, will /co/?
I guarantee the moment the teaser for this movie drops, you will see morons more and more hype this drivel until they inevitably get a shitty movie.
This will be the fourth time Snyder has pulled this with a comic book property.
![[Slapping and Clapping intensifies].jpg.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PYiHKDN.jpg "[Slapping and Clapping intensifies].jpg.jpg")
>3 years later and people are still defending Man of Steel
Capeshit was a mistake.
>>82858158
He already ruined three movies with his ideas, he can go fuck himself.
>>82858440
So you're doing the "It would've gone south even though there was no evidence supporting this because i say so" tactic that Jonathan and Batman use. Is it good or bad to have that kind of paranoia this time? Because you fuckers waffle on that every other post.
Your headcanon is not the movie. What's on the screen is the movie. What's on the screen is that Clark didn't try. The reasonings behind that are fanfiction. Period. Now, if you want to post your fanfiction, man up and do it on a site meant for that. I encourage it, it's better than Man of Steel. People might even favorite it.
>Yes but when he is carrying people in his arms he has to slow down considerably or risk tearing their bodies apart.
That's never been the case. Good to see you don't even know the character.
>>82858084
It doesn't need justifying.
Villains doing bad things doesn't fucking need to be explained.
He had to spell it out for the audiences that the place is abandoned as the people that complained about it in MOS are rabid, irrational AND MOTHER FUCKING INSANE. They LIED for years that Clark destroyed the city, when he didn't even do a fucking hundredth of the damage.
>>82858290
This is a movie with a narrative, not an historic documentary, saving faceless statistics isn't all that emotional to see
Fuck, even MoS got that half right, what do you think was the purpose of having Perry and friends stuck in the wrecked city?
>>82858188
He couldn't take the risk that if he flew away that Zod would not start blitz attacking people.
And he did try to take him out.
When he let loose with the full power punches In the sky he took Zod to the edge of downtown.
>>82857949
We were obviously talking about BvS, dumbo. The movie that didn't have the one on one fight. Man of Steel wasn't even gracious enough to give us the conveniently empty buildings.
But sure, let's talk about MoS too. The thing is, all the excuses and rationalizations of the climax scene in MoS, plausible or not, are just that: excuses. I don't give a shit about them. Had Snyder and Goyer wanted they could have easily figured out a way to have Superman both fight Zod and try to minimize collateral damage and loss of life.
That's what the Avengers did. Ultimately it's all about how you want to portray your heroes and what qualities of theirs you deem important. When Marvel did Age of Ultron, they scripted the entire climax around a gigantic rescue operation because they wanted to showcase their heroes actually acting heroic and how human lives really mattered to them as more than just a statistic. Zack Snyder wanted to have the biggest fucking explosions possible and then have Superman kill a guy at the end for no narrative reason. Mission accomplished!
And don't you dare tell me that was actually the point and a set up for BvS because BvS does the EXACT SAME FUCKING THING, except now with a "Oh thank God this place is empty" hastily plastered on top of it.
>>82858580
people being saved -even the sex slaves in that cage- are faceless statistics unless they're saved mid battle?
>>82858190
He said out loud that he would kill every single person on earth to spite Clark.
And him punching and throwing Clark thru buildings counts as a fucking rampage.
>>82857261
The Mother Box was with the U.S. government and then Cyborg's dad used it to create Cyborg.
>>82858597
>He couldn't take the risk that if he flew away that Zod would not start blitz attacking people.
He does fly away. Courtesy of Zod's punches. Zod does not start blitz attacking people.
The fight itself is evidence against this argument. Repetition of the argument is not a counter-argument.
>>82858631
How the heck do the two situations compare?
![mezcZEG[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mxAIQsN.jpg "mezcZEG[1].jpg")
>be 2012
>first MoS trailer drops
>Looks fantastic
>word gets out that Superman will start the DCEU
>get exited
>this time its gonna be different
>people will like superman again
>he will form the justice league
>he will flesh out the universe
>finally batman wasnt the center the attention
>mfw the actual movie
>mfw this future we chose
>>82858644
>He said out loud that he would kill every single person on earth to spite Clark.
Then have him making moves to do it. It's not like the movie is going to get any darker if he makes a move for Lois.
>And him punching and throwing Clark thru buildings counts as a fucking rampage.
No, it's a fight. A rampage has less focus.
>>82858361
>It's not serious, because the lack of emotional range just turns it into a melodrama akin to mexican soap operas
Bullshit.
This is like saying Requiem for a Dream isn't sserious because it's mostly 1 dark tone through out.
>It's not epic, because despite its size and scope, it lacks any acual sense of scale or surprise
Actually it has plenty of scale.
Hence why large parts of both films are devoid of action.
We get the smaller humble quiet moments like Clark speaking to Jor El for the first time to contrast the glorious action.
>It's just a mess of references and over the top violence. It's a family guy episode
That would be true if the references didn't fit.
But they make the older world weary TDKR style Batman work extremely well here and fits perfectly well in this earth one style world.
>>82858417
>Which he doesn't do.
>Stopping Zod even when it stains his hands with blood isn't considering the big picture...
>Taking DD into space isn't considering the big picture...
>Sacrificing himself to save the world is in considering the big picture...
>>82858759
I'm trying to make sense of your argument. I told you they already saved peoples and you dismissed it by saying those people were faceless statistics and don't have emotional impact.
>>82858545
>the people that complained about it in MOS are rabid, irrational AND MOTHER FUCKING INSANE. They LIED for years that Clark destroyed the city, when he didn't even do a fucking hundredth of the damage
Oh my god, you actually believe what you're typing
I'm speechless. All i can say is that shit like this is the reason i stopped bothering about discussion like these
By all means anon, don't let my irrational and mother fucking insane hatred come in the way of your burning passion for these movies
>>82854714
And immediately after Batman learns of the unstoppable rage monster on the uninhabited island that for some reason exists in a major metropolitan city, he's like 'hurr Durr gotta lead it back to Gotham cuz that's where muh kryptonite is'
>>82858605
Comparing MoS to the Avengers doesn't seem fair because after all Superman is alone while the Avengers have a whole team to fight and rescue people. Granted Superman was only fighting one person, at least after dealing with the world engines, but he's fighting someone who's just as strong as him and this is his first outing as a "superhero." I'm not saying you have to like it but just putting my two cents out there.
>>82858788
>This is like saying Requiem for a Dream isn't sserious because it's mostly 1 dark tone through out.
Requiem for a dream had a more personal story. Small, personal stories are more communicative.
>Actually it has plenty of scale.
"Scale" isn't a quantative qualifier, shitbird, it's a relative one. Being big and flashy doesn't mean it's good. You need emotional context. It's a spectacle, certainly, but so's a firework display. That doesn't make a firework display a great narrative.
>Hence why large parts of both films are devoid of action.
Time spent without action is not good in of itself. What matters is how you use that time. Snyder uses that time poorly, filling it with symbolism and rhetoric rather than actual characterization. He crafts bland, wooden ciphers lacking in agency, and then puts them adjacent to imagery completely lacking in subtlety and asks you to draw conclusions from that. Rather than just demanding actual depth.
>But they make the older world weary TDKR style Batman work extremely well here and fits perfectly well in this earth one style world.
Oh. You're that guy again. Bro, I am BEGGING you to read more comics than Earth One. Your ignorance of the franchise is palpable.
>>82853763
>>82854240
Snyder's Cpt. Marvel would be exactly like Moore's Miracleman, I guarantee it.
>>82858763
Don't worry. Batman is executive producing the next one. He'll team up with Mr. Miracle to help the universe escape its director. Believe.
>>82858247
>out in theatres now
Really? It's long-since been kicked from all the ones in my area to make room for Civil War and Florence Foster Jenkins.
>>82855633
Need a drawfag to do Mongul, Despero, and Kanjar-Ro laughing at Darkseid at some bar.
>>82858853
>>Stopping Zod even when it stains his hands with blood isn't considering the big picture...
Stopping Zod is what gave us Doomsday in the first place. If he were thinking off the big picture, he'd have moved the body off planet or hidden it so that it couldn't be used.
>But that's dumb why would he think that?
Because he's looking at the big picture. Because that is literally what Clark does in that Byrne comic you guys post religiously.
>>82858763
I know all of those feels, bro.
>>82858540
>no evidence
HE SAID THE WORDS OUT LOUD THAT HE WOULD KILL THEM ALL ONE BY ONE.
It doesn't matter that such could have been Bullshit to goad Clark.
Gambling on that and giving Zod chance to massacre people would have been a BILLION times more irresponsible then just fighting him and ignoring the civilians until the fight Is done.
Forget the characters or the film.
Answer this.
If someone is shooting up a building with a machine gun and a cop has a shot to take him down or stop and help someone bleeding out on the floor.
What do you want him to do?
If he stops and helps the bleeder then the shooter will likely Kill more people while he does that.
There is no other option, END THE FUCKING THREAT THEN HELP PEOPLE!
>>82852908
Zach Snyder understands nothing man. The guys a real penis.
>>82858934
Again, it's a matter of creative decisions. Had they wanted to, they could have done it.
FFS Zod doesn't even learn how to fly or use heat vision until halfway into the fight. There's your clear advantage right there!
>>82858540
>That's never been the case.
With comic book physics MOS is meant to be in something close to the real world.
Remember Quicksilver making a point to brace Eriks neck in DOFP?
>>82858853
>Activating million year old alien space ships without knowing how they work or if they might explode on activation because he just has to know.
>Leaving alien tech lying around so that humans can misuse it.
>Sticking his dick in a human woman without even considering the mutant freak baby that might result.
>Never opening his mouth and continuing to let everyone craft the narrative around him rather than participating.
>Threaten a dangerous vigilante that clearly doesn't care about collateral damage and then LEAVE rather than taking that vigilante to the police.
Sure! Big picture!
If he were looking at the big picture, he wouldn't have needed the drowning horses story.
>>82853163
This. Snyder ruined the dcmu. It can't be saved. Too much autism.
>>82859013
>HE SAID THE WORDS OUT LOUD THAT HE WOULD KILL THEM ALL ONE BY ONE.
I find it amusing that you guys will misinterpret and explain away the "Maybe" but when there's no vosiuals or physical attempts to support Zod's over the top generic villain lines, that's 100% factual going to happen yes sir.
>>82858605
>they could have easily figured out a way
Not without Zod looking incredibly incompetent and non menacing.
And it would have lacked the build up to justify killing Zod.
>EXACT SAME FUCKING THING
Except Clark took DD into space almost immediately.
And no large buildings fell.
dumbass.
>>82859056
So you're just going on a "maybe".
The fact is Snyder ignores physics. Just like he'll ignore anything and everything else, in order to do what he thinks is cool in that moment. Trying to create a working lore around that kind of ADHD storytelling just makes you guys look silly and desperate.
>>82858717
Because he is still in the fight.
Had Clark flew out of town to lure Zod out like people have said he should.
Zod would gave taken that for cowardice and god knows what he would have done then.
IT WAS TOO BIG A RISK!
>>82858451
>There are literally (L I T E R A L L Y) Company War fags defending the man that directed Sucker Punch
Capekino was a mistake
>>82859190
>Not without Zod looking incredibly incompetent and non menacing.
He already does.
>And it would have lacked the build up to justify killing Zod.
It still does, because you don't understand that the justification for having the hero kill the bad guy never comes from the bad guy. It comes from the HERO.
>>82853560
Goddamn you.
>>82859245
That's just fanfiction. There's a 50/50 chance that he was so focused on Clark that he wanted Clark to be the first to die and would've followed him. I WILL FIND HIM, remember?
>>82858880
No I'm fine with the crybaby fucks that just don't like violence in a Superman movie.
I have a problem with the people that actively lied about what transpired on the screen.
>>82858954
>Being big and flashy doesn't mean it's good.
Certainly, Bayformers is proof of such. So is Sucker Punch.
>You need emotional context.
MOS/BVS gave me that.
>Oh. You're that guy again. Bro, I am BEGGING you to read more comics than Earth One. Your ignorance of the franchise is palpable.
I have read a good amount more then EO, I don't even like EO, it's just the most similar world to Mos that I have encountered in terms of realism.
>>82859190
>Not without Zod looking incredibly incompetent and non menacing.
He's already incompetent and non menacing. But aside from that I can come up with five different ways to do it off the top of my head. They had years and were paid millions to do it.
>And it would have lacked the build up to justify killing Zod.
Fine. There's no thematic or narrative reason to kill Zod anyway.
>Except Clark took DD into space almost immediately.
And then Batman dragged him back into the city because bringing Kryptonite there instead is impossible.
>And no large buildings fell.
They leveled Gotham docks you moron. Superman pushed Doomsday into a fucking refinery or something for literally no reason than to have a cool explosion shot.
>>82858997
>he'd have moved the body off planet or hidden it so that it couldn't be used.
There is considering the realistic big picture and predicting preposterous shit dude.
>Because that is literally what Clark does in that Byrne comic you guys post religiously.
You confuse me with someone else.
I haven't read any of Byrne's run.
>>82859409
>>You need emotional context.
>MOS/BVS gave me that.
Then I'm happy for you, but you need to recognize that your bar is low.
> I don't even like EO, it's just the most similar world to Mos that I have encountered in terms of realism.
Then you need to read more. Go read The Nail and Flashpoint, and True Brit, and Secret Identity to start with.
>>82859251
>He already does.
No... as it was in MOS he was a incredibly powerful and badass foe.
>It still does, because you don't understand that the justification for having the hero kill the bad guy never comes from the bad guy. It comes from the HERO.
What does this even fucking mean?
When billions of lives hang in the balance, the good guy ends the threat, period.
>>82859277
50/50 is not good enough to risk millions of lives.
>>82859459
>They had years and were paid millions to do it.
And they chose to give us a realistic belevibale world and a lead that doesn't have mary sue solve everything powers that break any and all immersion in the film you ungrateful cocksucker.
>There's no thematic or narrative reason to kill Zod anyway.
Being one of the most powerful moments in comic book film history isn't a valid reason to do it?
>They leveled Gotham docks you moron.
Not comparable to skyscrapers falling.
>>82853973
Marvel movies will never be BTFO now that Perlmutter is gone, at least they are trying to make a Black Widow movie
Take this as a daily reminder that we had a talking racoon on screen before an actual super heroine movie, think about that next time you say there is no patriarchy
Is it just me, or does every MoS related thread have the same angry poster who writes in all caps mid sentence?
>>82859551
The Nail & Flashpoint aren't grounded or realistic in anyway.
>>82859030
i wish i was as hard as Zack Snyder.
>>82859516
>There is considering the realistic big picture and predicting preposterous shit dude.
Let's review.
Jonathan says Clark has to be careful with his secret so that the government doesn't come and try and dissect him.
(This supposedly ISN'T predicting preposterous shit and is apparently a real enough danger to Clark/The World that Jonathan is willing to sacrifice himself for more time on the doomsday clock)
Clark then leaves an alien corpse in the middle of a crowded city to go make out with his girlfriend some more.
The government takes possession of the corpse, and ultimately Lex takes it to dissect.
Jonathan's prediction has thus come true; the first alien body that humans get their hands on gets dissected and used for ill.
Clark then, was warned this would -or at the very least could- happen.
So how is that predicting preposterous shit? It's what actually happened. If anything it's the BIGGEST piece of evidence you have that Jonathan actually knew what he was talking about. I've made your case defending Jonathan FOR you now and you're still arguing against it.
>>82859860
No I have been skipping a bunch recently.
Holy shit this sounds so fucking awful
Yeah, this kills the DC
>>82859887
>Clark then leaves an alien corpse in the middle of a crowded city to go make out with his girlfriend some more.
Why the god damn fuck do people keep forgetting that the kiss was BEFORE the fight.
>>82859650
>No... as it was in MOS he was a incredibly powerful and badass foe.
He wasn't powerful enough to hurt Clark. He wasn't badass enough to beat Jor-el. He wasn't imposing or threatening, with his lisp and comb over.
He killed a bunch of people (more accurately his ship did.) but so do earthquakes in disaster movies and we don't consider them "badass" or "competent'" for doing so.
>What does this even fucking mean?
It means if you're going to have Clark kills someone, you have to build up his reluctance to do so better than Zack did for it to have the emotional impact he, and you, claim it does.
>>82859887
It's preposterous that the military would be incompetent enough to let a madman have the body, it's preposterous that they would deform the body into a hulking engine of destruction.
Guys......we have this fight nearly every. fucking. day. Can we get back to the topic at hand and discuss how JL is royally fucked?
>>82859864
>The Nail & Flashpoint aren't grounded or realistic in anyway.
Really? Let's think about that for a second.
JLA: The Nail has the media running an anti-metahuman campaign. It has the government using what few alien artifacts it can find and reverse engineering them for weapons, culminating in Luthor finding alien DNA and combining it with human DNA to create hybrid clone monsters. It even has a guy in a wheelchair, that was injured in a fight between superhumans, that goes in front of the government and argues that they're a danger that needs controlling.
Does any of that sound familiar to you? If you want to say those creative/story decisions are unrealistic, I' might be willing to agree with you. Provided you're consistent in that belief.
>>82859949
That's why I said "Some more".
We don't KNOW what Clark does immediately after the fight because the denouement consisted of "Time skip! Everything is good now! Welcome to the planet! Get it? Because he's an alien! Isn't he kinda hot! People are smiling and I'm using warm colors! That means it's a happy ending! Everything's cool, right? You're coming back for the sequel, right?"
>>82859817
>And they chose to give us a realistic belevibale world and a lead that doesn't have mary sue solve everything powers that break any and all immersion in the film you ungrateful cocksucker.
There isn't a laughing gif big enough...
>Being one of the most powerful moments in comic book film history isn't a valid reason to do it?
Don't be an idiot. You need to actually have narrative build up for it to have any real power beyond "Superman randomly kills a dude."
Which is actually my biggest problem with all that. If you want to have Superman kill someone in your movie, that's fine. But have it fucking mean something. Don't just tack it at the end with no build up and no consequence whatsoever. Otherwise you're just having Superman kill a guy for the sake of having Superman killing a guy. Which is basically what it amounts to.
>Not comparable to skyscrapers falling.
Oh yay, they leveled a smaller section of the city. Truly heroes to aspire to!
>>82859310
The movie was terrible. It's so autistic l, like your taste and general personality.
>>82860132
Oh! I just remembered. JLA: The Nail also has Batman going of the deep end and becoming more violent after the Joker kills Robin (and Batgirl) and his arc is him redeeming himself and becoming a proper hero again.
I feel like I saw something recently with a similar character arc but I can't remember what it was.
>>82860041
We are diacussing it. But Darksnyd apologists keep screaming that's just marvel drones everywhere.
>>82860228
Can you write a post without having a stroke?
>>82860437
>namefaggingNotfor you.
>>82854119
eh they aren't that important, their role could be replaced by literally any kind of mcguffin
>>82857630
>Luthor
>menacing.
I can't imagine what mentality you must have to find a Zuckerberg lite twitchy sperg with pre pubescent voice anywhere near menacing
>>82855312
They killed BC because the writers didn't want her taking Olivier away from his light
