Did you switch sides?
>>82702780
Entered Team Cap. Left Team Cap. Tony isn't wrong that the Avengers need to have some form of accountability, but the Accords are absolutely ridiculous. The Avengers must be quick and decisive in their actions and shouldn't have to wait for UN approval to act; like all governing bodies it is littered with red tape and infighting, they'd never get anything done quickly enough to make a difference.
HOOOOT DAMN THAT FEMALE CAP!
Anyways, I thought the film really made me feel bad for Tony. It's nice that the film had both sides feel they were right without villainizing one of the sides. As much as Cap was right, he did feel like he was doing some selfish things, and in the end, his friend just went Odin Sleep to escape responsibility.
I like how both sides lost in the end.
Entered Team Cap but opened to Stark. Left Team Cap and thinking Stark needs therapy and to retire because he's far too emotionally unstable for this line of work.
Went in Team Cap, left questioning
why the fuck did they need to bring an unstable assassin with them again? they couldve just turned him in and cleared his name on their own, but nope, gotta cause more property damage because HES YOUR FRIEND
>>82702780
I went in just disliking Stark, not caring much about Cap but then I was sympathetic to Stark's side at the end of the movie.
>>82705192
They did try to turn him in, then Zemo busted him out.
Once they caught up with him again they thought they didn't have enough time to turn back. They went to the airport because they were trying to catch up to Zemo who they thought was already at the bunker and already raising up an army of Buckys to fuck up the world with.
Had they turned him in they would have had to go back to the raft with Tony and then hope that they could convince Tony / Ross to let them chase after Zemo (which they weren't guaranteed to get approval for) and even then It would have been too late.
>>82702780
I would be all for the accords if it was a means for the Avengers to provide MORE help and MORE infrastructure instead of STOPPING THEM.
This deal should focus on debriefing and accountability at the end of emergencies.
>>82704956
Not really escape responsibility. Just make sure he can't be controlled while they look for a way to undo the brainwashing.
Bucky will atone for his undeserved crimes bybecoming Captain America once Steve dies.
>Zemo has a helmet
Russo's pls
>>82702780
Nope. Team Cap 100%.
IM2 and Avengers established that superheroes are the correct answer and bureaucracies just fear the presence of power they don't control. Cap 2 established that these bureaucracies, simply by virtue of being composed of a very large number of people, can easily be crawling with neo-nazi conspirators.
Tony in Civil War is doing a complete 180 from his stance in IM2, primarily because he's failing spectacularly at handling responsibility for his own actions. Stark needs to be put in check, Age Of Ultron proved that, but he's externalizing that guilt onto everyone else when they haven't done anything to deserve it like he has.
But Cap, while distrustful of institutionalized power, is always ready to give a person a chance at redemption. For Bucky, for Wanda, even for Tony. For a second there I called bullshit when Cap immediately accepted Tony as a friend again when he showed up in Siberia, but then I realized that it was because Cap is a better man than I am.
>>82702780
Nope, still on Team Hydra
>>82702780
Was on Team Cap from start to finish. I like that Tony was a lot more reasonable/sympathetic than Civil War comic Tony, but it was still a complete one-sided affair. Which isn't to say that Cap was totally in the right (and admitted as such about hiding the truth about Tony's parents) or that Tony didn't have some points, but the second you say that you're handing power to an organization like the UN and have people like Ross calling shots then fuck that.
>>82705723
>This deal should focus on debriefing and accountability at the end of emergencies.
Fucking this. If the accords said that someone would review their missions, check that nothing was particularly out of line, etc. then that would be fine. Handing over direct control is out of the question, though.
Team Cap through thick and thin.
>>82710835
They seemed to be something that Tony thought would deflect responsibility for when he or the other Avengers fucked up
I'm not sure exactly why the UN saying to go stop Ultron would have made it any easier for him to swallow that that kid died, but whatever helps him drink himself to sleep at night, I guess.
>>82711158
Yeah, the thing is that UN orders would have changed absolutely nothing.
Like the incident at the start of the movie. It wasn't because Scarlet Witch was inexperienced or lost control or made a bad decision. A suicide bomber was going to kill hundreds of people, and she failed to contain it and get it far enough away. There's nothing there that suggest negligence and nothing the UN could have said would have avoided that. All it does is shift the blame, most of which is not deserved.
The best argument I feel that Tony's side has is that if the Avengers fuck up, like Tony did when he made Ultron, there will be some responsibility.
Except the last time a power had access to that kind of technology, it was SHIELD and they started to mess around with the Tesseract. The UN isn't SHIELD but it would probably still pull the same dumb crap like that.
Cap. All day, every day.
The accords were just the UN's way of flexing and capitalizing on public fear. Cap fucked up and didn't KO Crossbones instantly. That was the reason for the issues. If the public knew Ultron was Tony's baby, I could see the outrage, but to blame the Avengers, who went out of their way to save everyone they could at great risk to themselves while battling a fucking android army, for not saving everyone is fucking childish. I get that everyone has to deal with loss and some part of that would be lashing out, but fuck off with the sob story about muh New York/DC/Sokovia.
I pitied Tony. The man is an emotional wreck and the UN's agreement came when he was trying to soothe his own guilt. Honestly, I doubt it would. He's too in his own head. He's still kicking himself for being a scrub when his parents died. Alcoholism when?
>>82711906
>Alcoholism when?
I'm really surprised it wasn't alluded to in this movie. I was waiting for it.
>>82704956
I just feel like Tony didn't learn anything from Ultron. I mean you make this weapon and call it a shield and then it turns against you. Now he thinks putting the only people that could save the earth when he fucks ups again in jail is a good idea.
>>82712620
This. The fucking accords need to be applied to Tony, not the rest of the team.
Also, I seem to recall Shield's reaction to an alien invasion in the first Avengers movie was to nuke the largest city in the US. Yeah, lets put more suits in charge.
Entered Cap, left Cap. Tony's side made no fucking sense.
>Hey, you remember those times the world was almost taken over or literally destroyed?
>yeah
>Well a few people died during that, so maybe we should work for the government. The same government that decided to nuke NY instead of try to save it.
>Also, I know logically that Bucky had absolutely no control over killing my parents, but instead of trying to find out who actually did kill them, I'm just gonna fight you guys instead.
Tony was a god damned idiot in this film, ruined the movie for me.
>>82702780
Went in with team Cap, stayed Team Cap even though I understood Stark's side but there were too many fuck ups who were never held accountable and asshole there for me to fully support them.
Plus Tony never listened to Cap and if Cap had fully gone along with Tony then Zemo would have won.
>>82710793
>but the second you say that you're handing power to an organization like the UN and have people like Ross calling shots then fuck that.
Not to mention Tony didn't know what the Sokovia Accords consisted about 100% the way Steve kept asking questions and he just kept going like "I'm sure we'll figure it out" that shit raised a lot of red flags for me.
>>82702780
does fem Iron look like marisa tomei to anyone?
>>82715432
You think that maybe finding out that the man standing next to you murdered your parents might make you a tad irrational?
The rest of the crap is spot on, though
>>82702780
Wow.
Just...wow.
>>82705192
they tried to bring him in. Remember when the authorities decided to gun Bucky down without a trial and not even try to bring him in alive?
Yep sure lovin that accountability there General Ross!
Protip to anyone who thinks Tony was right: The government only wants to hold YOU accountable. When it shits the bed and kills innocents that's just peachy keen.
>>82717695
"It's ok when we do it" is basically the mantra of any organization or political group
If you think you're part of one that isn't, you're wrong.
>>82717809
I'm a libertarian. By definition, it's NOT okay when we do it.
>>82717506
If the idea of being controlled were a new idea to him, then yeah. But after having two movies focused on Bucky not controlling himself as well as having an entire action scene in AoU in which everyone loses control of themselvesl, and even has Tony fight Bruce while trying to bring him under control...
It felt awkward to me. Especially since like two minutes prior there was a revelation that, holy shit, Cap was right about Bucky the whole time.
>>82702780
No. Still Team Cap. But I do wonder if they would go with Shota-Wanda or Bara-Wanda.
The movie did a much better job of making points on both sides (mostly making Tony's side make any sense at all).
Even then though Tony is incredibly hypocritical for believing in the idea that governments should control their actions, and then trying to kill Buckey for actions that he was forced to do for a government
>>82721484
Tony is as capitalist as it gets, he probably unironically believes EBILCOMMUNISM!!! meme.
>>82702780
>Tony being as buxom as Cap
kek not in a million years.
went in neutral, left annoyed by Cap
>>82722604
Cybernetic breast implants, anon.
>>82722604
>Toni not having implants
>>82722545
Wait....are you unironically saying that comunism isn't shit and a failed system that always crashes on its implementation, usually with a Mountain of bodies?
>>82723018
It's less evil than capitalism in theory. It might even work if power hungry nutjobs weren't the only ones trying it out.
>>82702780
Damn, that Toni Stark is fine.
Went in team Cap, left team Tony. Steve compromising his duties as an Avenger to go on a personal quest really left a sour taste in my mouth.
Also, I'm done with Tony and Steve in the MCU, Black Panther is where it's at now.
>>82723119
The duty on an Avenger is doing the right thing, Steve stayed true.
>>82702780
hell no
the movie made a great emotional appeal for Tony, but in the end, the accords were too chained to bureaucracy for them to be effective
I agree that the avengers need some kind of check in place, but tying them to the UN and fucking Ross of all people is a terrible idea, and Bucky killing Tony's parents isn't gonna change that
>>82723103
>going with a loose whore
Literally no taste.
>>82723189
No, doing the right thing works as personal motivation, but not as an agenda for an organization consisting of multiple people. Cap did what he felt was right in the context of his relationship with Bucky, the rest of the world be damned. Having an ex-Hydra super-powered brainwashed assassin running around is not conductive for world peace.
>>82723248
Except he's not running around, and never was running until people other than Steve intervened and tried to murder Bucky or put him in a situation where he was vulnerable to someone using their Hydra knowledge on him.
And look at what happens at the end of the movie, Steve and friends put him into suspended animation with his consent until they can find out how to purge the triggers, they don't put a bullet in his head or punish him as a scapegoat just to cover their own asses over a crime he never even committed even while brainwashed.
>>82702780
The same artist also made this one by the way
>>82723337
Any more?
My dick is screaming for more.
>>82723337
would hank the fuck out of this pym
>>82723337
>artist that gives every female the same chest size when it doesn't even make sense
hack
>>82723018
>>82723070
Capitalism has bigger bodycount than communism (Native Americans and all other indigenous populations, slavery) , and has human suffering (starvation, poverty, homelessness) built in as a necessity for the system to work, when communism doesn't.
Communism failing is about as evil as capitalism working as intended.
>I'm not saying we should bring back Soviet Union, I think anarchism works better with communism by design - making individual people help each other makes more sense than creating behemoth government and hoping it will work out well
>>82723650
Cap sums it up.
>>82702780
Went in with Cap. Left with Cap.
>>82724012
>this is what marvel actually believes
>>82724480
America has barely changed at all since the 80s, anon. Countries Cap's talking about have changed tremendously.
Find the lie, please.
>>82702780
Team Cap from start to finish, though I felt bad for Tony at the end.
Went in pro-Cap and anti-Tony. Came out still pro-Cap but slightly less anti-Tony.
>>82702780
Went in Team Iron Man left Team Iron Man.
Steve was wrong
I thought Tony had a point at first, but the UN went right ahead and repeatedly proved Cap was right.
Pretty soon it'd be the Avengers sent out with "kill on sight" orders every time some President or King feels threatened.
>>82723650
>Capitalism has bigger bodycount than communism (Native Americans and all other indigenous populations, slavery)
I find that hard to believe. Aside from that many of those capitalist crime are really mercantilist crimes (http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Mercantilism.html), even if you blame every indigenous and slave death on Capitalism, I can't see how it would add up to close to the 100 million+ dead from Communism.
>>82724012
What issue is this from? Reverse google search isn't turning up the answer.
>>82723650
The destruction of indigenous people more the fault of colonialism than capitalism. At least capitalists don't just go around slaughtering their own citizens like you're old buddy uncle Joe Stalin.
Also, go back to Tumblr.Better yet, go back to Tumblr Village from that show that shall remain nameless.
>>82714596
To be fair, SHIELD was actually Hydra at that time, so that could explain a LOT.
Now that I think of it, the fact that they had TWO planes with nukes ready to go is pretty Hydra-ish.
>>82724769
Add every single death from famine, poverty, starvation, lack of medication, war waged for resources.
>>82724855
Stalin was killing Ukrainians, primo.
Secundo, since most of these 100 million was "actually" fault of Soviet imperialism, not communism as a system. I'm simply using the same metric that was used to make this "communist death count" - which is counting every death for which a communist state was responsible. By this logic, we need to count every death caused by a state that was capitalist as "capitalist death toll".
>>82724991
Seriously, trusting the government just gets you a nuked major city, because the government are nazis.
>>82702780
Both sides are simultaneously right and wrong, because they are sticking to absolutes in a situation where both extremes are the wrong answer.
The Avengers SHOULD be accountable, but the Accords is a terrible way to do it. It gives the nations of the world a political football so they can feel like they have some control of the situation, but at the cost of making the world dramatically less safe if they ever actually enforce anything.
When was the last time any of the Avengers fought a threat that they could just take a week to stop and think about first? A war between nations is the sort of thing the UN can talk about how to respond to, "Loki is going to open up a portal and flood the Earth with an alien armada 30 minutes from now" is not.
What the Avengers really need, unfortunately, is Shield. A organization that can be held accountable for their actions, but has the authority to dispatch them against immediate threats without miles of red tape in the way first.
But Winter Soldier already showed why any organization that that kind of power is a breeding ground for corruption and Hydra infestation. So its unlikely that they would ever be able to pull that off again.
>>82702780
I was team stark up until "the UN will boss you around"
there must be some kind of relation with different international councils but in term of getting intel/resources(or authority to do shit like evac the airport), the Avengers shouldn't be just a strike team
the accords are perfect for the Thunderbolts but the Avengers are good on their own
>>82725187
perfectly worded, bravo anon
Still team Cap, I guess
But I liked how in the end Steve felt guilty enough to give up the shield. There was no good side
I stuck with Team Tony.
Cap was unreasonable, he was about to sign the accords when Tony (rightfully) argued the accords can be ammended and it was all just PR.
But then "Nuuuuuu why did you lock Wanda in her room?" made him bitch out.
>>82726071
It's unlawful imprisonment senpai . You don't fuck with the Constitution when Cap is around
Team Cap. If I was Steve, Id pull all that shit he did to save a friend. The only different thing is tell Tony earlier about his parents death
>>82726162
Locking a teenager in her room when a LOT of people in the world are pissed at her is not unlawful imprisonment. I mean christ at least wait for everyone to forget about the bombing.
>>82725185
Literally, in that example.
But yeah, the IDEA of something like the accords isn't a bad thing, it's just what we got was yet another example of staggering incompetancy from Thunderbolt Ross.
I would not be suprised at ALL if this is all one big lead up to putting Osborne in charge, renaming it to HAMMER and then doing an adaptation of Siege.
>>82726403
Well pretty much everyone on Team Tony was like "Yeah this is just a PR stunt and then we'll amend it to make it work right." which I think is very reasonable.
Its not like signing it was gonna make Team Tony just sit back and let whatever happen happen.
>>82717695
>Yep sure lovin that accountability there General Ross!
What did you expect from someone that got away scottfree from the Abomination debacle and actually got himself a nice promotion out of it?
>>82726403
>I would not be suprised at ALL if this is all one big lead up to putting Osborne in charge, renaming it to HAMMER and then doing an adaptation of Siege.
I'd be OK with that.
>>82702780
I'd logically want to go with Team Ironman, but if Cap called on me to help I'd go full Cap every day.
I am so tired of this Hydra bullshit
>>82702780
What of the true Civil War was over Cap's cooch?
>>82726576
I mean, with them getting Spiderman back, it practically sets everything up for that.
Mark my words, if the end of Ragnarok involves Asgard getting transplanted on earth then we KNOW it's happening.
Plus, you know MCU can adapt the House of M story if they ever get those rights back and merge the X-Men universe straight into the MCU.
Wanda's motivation?She want's to bring her brother back to life
>>82726639
Anon, I like how you think
>>82726660
To be fair, the House of M idea was something a friend had over a cheap kebab right after watching Days of Future Past at the cinema, but the Siege thing is mine.
They can literally do House of M at any fucking point as well, all we need is for Apocalypse to tank and for Disney to be there with a great big dumper truck full of money.
The only thing that might get in the way of resolving the MCU Civil War will be how Infinity War goes down.
As a side note though: If we ever find out that Zemo's attending psychologist is Karla Sofen then we KNOW that Thunderbolts is happening.
>>82726311
She's like 23 and wanted to leave. She was forcibly imprisoned with house arrest. Light or not, it was illegal as fuck.
>>82727029
Which, by the way, could have resolved if Tony explained it to her and asked if it was OK for her to lay low for a while, but no once again he went behind the other's backs because he thought she would see that his idea is the right one anyway.
>>82704691
The Avengers used to have SHIELD/Nick Fury keep them in check until that was proven to be corrupted by outside influences.
It seemed like all anybody was really mad about (for legitimate reasons) was The Avengers not staying around for relief/rebuilding efforts.
I get the destruction by Ultron sort of being The Avengers (Tony and Banner's) fault and the incident in Lagos, but why were they blamed for other casualties? Did people seriously think there'd be less casualties if The Avengers didn't show up to those other world-threatening crises?
>>82727185
>It seemed like all anybody was really mad about (for legitimate reasons) was The Avengers not staying around for relief/rebuilding efforts.
Funn thing is that the comics Avengers pretty much do that all the time, right?
At least after Janet went full PR with it. Maybe that's what the MCU Avengers need.
>>82706345
Beautifully said, anon.
>>82727239
What if Tony used the Iron Legion from AoU strictly to help out with relief efforts while The Avengers are taking care of missions or are too tired from the worldending threat battles to pick up debris in the streets?
>>82727323
He clearly didn't after Ultron.
>>82727185
>The Avengers used to have SHIELD/Nick Fury keep them in check until that was proven to be corrupted by outside influences.
you mean for the duration of that movie they spent most of not working together?
the one where they stole a SHIELD plane and went off on their own at the end of?
>>82727323
You mean the Iron Legion from IM3 which expressly DID contain such suits designed for search, rescue and damage control?
Which he then blew up because he felt his adventure needed to end with a firework display?
Tony then goes on to remove the shrapnel from his chest, thus removing the one thing that reminds him of his own falliability and failings and proceeds to go completely crazy.
Think about it, ever since he did that we've had Ultron, hell Vision was a fucking fluke and there's no way Tony would know that would work and should not under any circumstances have basically tried to pull that bullshit unilaterally.
Then, after his unfortunate encounter with AI's he straight up boots up another AI to run his suit without a second thought.
Then he get's guilt tripped by a lady who if he HADN'T gone into Sokovia to stop Ultron wouldn't even be alive, and signs up to the Accords.
Without fucking reading them.
With Thunderbolt Ross at it's head, a man so incompetant he can't even catch the Hulk for almost a decade when it takes Fury less than a day to politiely bring him in.
>>82726162
This
>>82714596
>>82724991
>>82725185
Given that the UN is HQ in NYC, and the UN council was willing to nuke NYC, that means the people giving the orders to SHIELD were in Geneva or the like - or they were in NYC at the moment, watching the invasion from their windows and thinking all hope was lost.
One throwaway line from one of the UN councilors about how they're in the UN Building and watching the invasion live and think being nuked is a preferable alternative would make all the difference.
>>82727465
Wow. Tony really IS Hank Pym in the MCU.
>>82727465
>With Thunderbolt Ross at it's head, a man so incompetant he can't even catch the Hulk for almost a decade when it takes Fury less than a day to politiely bring him in.
im so fuckign mad about this
after failing to catch banner for years, ross illegally experiments on a soldier not even from the states, giving him access to sensitive information and untested substances
then when it blows up in his face, the guy goes nuts and becomes just as bad as the hulk if not worse, he sets the hulk free to fix the mess he made, causing even MORE fucking carnage, and lets the hulk get away at the end of it
THEN, a few years later, banner is proven to be a fucking hero when he helps annihilate a extraterrestrial army as the Hulk and gets the backing of SHIELD and the Avengers, making Ross, the man begging for funding to capture the bastard look like even more of a gigantic tool
and yet they made this inept fuckwit secretary of state?
>>82727465
I wasn't a fan of IM3's third act either.
But yes, essentially have Tony go back to the Iron Legion instead of endangering his team by signing over his team to an unnecessary and easily corruptible bureaucracy.
>>82727634
>and yet they made this inept fuckwit secretary of state?
I get the feeling that after all the Hydra agents got removed Capitol Hill must have been fucking empty. It basically down to him and that charming Senator Dell Rusk, and Dell said he didn't think it was right for him to take the limelight just yet.
>>82725000
You'll stretch the capitalist death toll to include deaths not done by capitalist countries, but not count outright murder by communist countries?
>>82702780
I came in expecting to completely side with Cap. While I still side with him on the Accords, I now think that Tony was right about having Bucky turn himself in.
>>82727761
Which is what Cap was trying to do. It was the fucking German Special Forces who were told to "shoot on sight", IE, the side that Tony supposedly signed off on.
>>82727634
>and yet they made this inept fuckwit secretary of state?
The U.S. govt employs inept fuckwits all the time. War Machine's defense for him is basically what happens IRL
>b-b-but he's a war hero
>muh Congressional Medal of Honor
>>82727761
Bucky was definitely getting the death penalty.
They sent a squad to execute him immediately, and after evidence that would exonerate him came out, Ross still wanted him dead.
>>82702780
Went in as Team Tony. Left as Team Cap. Honestly, Tony's completely lost it. Between his PTS from the Battle of NY, to the ravaging guilt he must feel, he has become an unstable, depressed man. A man that should no longer be allowed to wear one his suits, the final scene proved that when he went mad with grief.
He put Wanda under House Arrest when he does not have the authority to do that. He risked the life of a teenager because he was short on staff. He is indirectly responsible for the crippling of his best friend.
And my God, those fucking accords. The UN is a corrupt mess, and Tony should know better than anyone, yet he signed out of desperate guilt.
Tony is sick.
>>82728069
>Between his PTS from the Battle of NY, to the ravaging guilt he must feel, he has become an unstable, depressed man
Literally Hank Pym. Wanna bet he hit Pepper and that's why she left?
Tony really IS hank pym, from the mental issues right down to creating Ultron.
At least that means movie pym gets to be an awesome crotchety old man mentor who was one of the original superheroes in the setting instead of the cancerous mass he devolved into comics-wise.
>>82726631
>Having to gender end cap
>not wanting him in male perfection form
>>82728115
I really don't want to believe that, but at this point, I wouldn't put it past him.
It's pretty sad, to be honest. Tony was the Heart and Soul of the MCU, the one that started it all. To see him go from his cheery, witty old self to this mess is just sad.
I mean, fuck, how are his youngest fanbase handling this? I
>>82728227
Admit it, genderbend Steve would be the perfect waifu though.
>>82728163
God, I would love to learn more about Hank Pym fighting communists in the 70's. Are we even getting a second Ant Man film?
>>82728308
Thing is, look at RDJ, just look at him. He is aging in dog years right now, and it's pretty clear he's not going to have that many more films in the MCU, so I guess they want him to go out as a villain, as a man who tried to do better by the world, but ultimately never knew and was never capable of learning from others what that meant.
Constantly flailing, trying to find an ethical and moral compass that he simply does not and never had.
At this point though, I'm struggling to think who his final villain could be.
The Real Mandarin? Booze?
Honestly though, you know who I'd LOVE to finally see in MCU?Kang
Went into it with team Cap, left it with Team Cap
>>82728705
Thanos.
>>82728743
>Infinity War is also Tony's redemption story
I would actually be ok with this.
>>82728781
And he'd go out with a bang. Imagine it would be the direct reverse of his nightmare in AoU, where it's only him that dies.
It's not like the UN would completely dominate the Avengers, Tony and his side have a lot of bargaining power and they knew that. They would continue negotiating afterwards.
>Anyone thinking the accords presented in the movie are a good idea in any way.
They make 0 sense. You're letting a rapidfire taskforce that operates on issues concerning international threats be run by the UN? The same UN that fucked up Rwanda - the same UN that let a world security council launch a nuke at manhattan? What kind of bullshit are they playing at here? How would an oversight committee stop civilian casualties when a suicide bomber detonates themselves in nigeria?
For that matter, why are they listening to the sec. of state? The government is a shit show that's harbored HYDRA and the extremis programs, they're let their president be assassinated and their vice president run a country-wide conspiracy under their noses. Why are the Avengers getting flack for mitigating casualties when everyone else is completely dropping the ball?
And what about fucking tony? Why isn't there a tribunal coming up on him for creating something that tried to kill the planet? He's the ONE person in the avengers who did something that could be negligent and wrong, but suddenly he's a-ok and in charge of shit now, where fucking CAPTAIN AMERICA is treated like a vigilante? How does this make any sense?
Anyone on team iron man is a gibbering retard.
>>82702780
>Gap in the armor to show the top of Iron Woman's tits
Alright come on now really? It isn't even arousing.
my final verdict on civil war is that i want t'challa to vigorously facefuck me.
>>82729264
patrician taste
Real question. In Winter Soldier, Cap couldn't overpower Bucky's arm, but in Civil War, EVERYONE can overpower it just fine. Why is this
>>82729390
Spiderman is stronger than Cap.
>Spider-Man is stronger than Cap
What about T'Challa?
>>82728743
>>82728781
>>82728815
That actually would be pretty sweet as well.
That said, I still would like MCU Kang, he's one of the big, reoccuring Avengers villains, one who's actually had quite a lot of history over the years as well. Is there even a post Thanos plan for the MCU right now?
>>82729474
Kang belongs to Fox though, I think.
>>82729118
How many people actually know that Ultron was Tony's idea? I have a strong suspicion that NOBODY outside of the Avengers actually know about that.
>>82729264
I don't think ANYBODY left that film not feeling that. Black Panther was fucking amazing throughout and I would definitely watch a film about him now.
>>82729412
This
>>82729517
What? The fuck did that happen? He's an Avengers villain. He always has been.
>>82729524
Really? It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it came from stark headquarters, or that the billionaire tech savant of the world with the most advanced AI on the face of the planet running most of his businesses might have a hand in a killer robot AI.
>>82729412
>>82729577
It's true. This is explicitally shown in the Airport battle scene. Cap realised he couldn't overpower Peter so he used his own strenght and momentum against him.
>>82729628
No, but Marvel Civilians are most certainly not geniuses. So, odds are good that nobody has even asked the question of "where DID all those robots come from?"
>>82729725
>So, odds are good that nobody has even asked the question of "where DID all those robots come from?"
This is the stupidest shit excuse I've ever heard. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Someone nearly murdered the world, killing hundreds in the process and prompting world governments together to lash back to such an extent that they decided to punish their literal saviors from annihilation, but somehow ostensibly never asked the question about where ultron came from? Get the fuck out of this thread.
>>82729578
His first appearance was in a Fantastic Four comic so that's where his rights lie.
It's stupid, but that's how it is.
>>82702780
Entered as Team Cap, left as Team Zemo.
>>82729878
I don't think you understand how stupid civilians in Marvel are.
Because if civilians DID know that Stark invented Ultron, they would be blaming him for it, not the whole collatoral damage thing which is what everyone brings up.
NOBODY outside of the Avengers seems to know that Stark invented Ultron, it has never been mentioned, even when it would make sense or be advantageous for him to do so.
>>82730108
Well, they could do a Quicksilver and rename him "The Conqueror" or something.
>>82730482
Yeah, that actor really did a good job with Zemo.
His entire plan makes no fucking sense though.
>>82726733
Still thinking it shouldn't have been Zemo, but Doctor Faustus.
>>82727239
>At least after Janet went full PR with it. Maybe that's what the MCU Avengers need.
Jan comes back a PR agent for the Avengers.
It could work.
>>82714596
>>82724991
>>82727573
Actually, it was World's Security Council that wanted NY nuked, specifically the member that was played by Powers Boothe, who was in Agents of SHIELD, as the same character - Gideon Malick, Head of HYDRA.
And as Rhodes said, UN is NOT WSC.Though it's definitely more incompetent. Even with WSC being infiltrated by HYDRA, they were more effective, and capable of faster response.
>>82727185
>It seemed like all anybody was really mad about (for legitimate reasons) was The Avengers not staying around for relief/rebuilding efforts.
they clearly did stay to rescue people from the building in Lagos though
>the one where they stole a SHIELD plane and went off on their own
Just like Nick Fury wanted them to, yeah
>>82730108
his first apparition as Rama-Tut and Immortus was in F4, but as Kang was in Avengers
whether that is enough to keep him of Marvel hands is unknown.
>>82730519
No, see. You can't reasonably say that the governments are somehow competent enough to have oversight over the avengers or even come up with the idea in the first place if they couldn't do something as stupid simple as run a fucking investigation on a world-killing robot. It's completely ridiculous.
You can't go "oh, the UN should run the avengers" and then go "the entire world is so mentally deficient that nobody ever thought to ask where ultron came from, ever."
>>82730715
It is, the companies have stated as such.
>>82730832
I'm not though. I'm pro-Cap. I am and have always been of the opinion that one of the least helpful things a person can say is "Let's get the UN involved" and have been for years.
>>82731245
Yeah, it's ridiculous how the movie stresses "but it's the /un/ steve" every time it's brought up. It's a joke
>>82730621
So what is WSC? I haven't watched Agents of SHIELD, but from the 1st Avengers movie and Winter Soldier I definitely got the impression they were a UN agency.
>>82723242
>not picking the girl who's always ready to fuck.
Enjoy necking with cap, you know she's not going to let you have any fun below the collarbones without a ring on that finger.
>>82732412
I dream of putting a ring on that finger.
This movie any good?
>>82702780
Nope started team cap left team cap I don't blame tony for trying to kill Bucky though if I was him I know I would've
>>82732445
you and 10,000 other hopeless people. Meanwhile I'll be getting sloppy 16ths on a raven-haired hottie with no strings attached.
>>82732504
It's good not as good as winter soldier but better then the avengers so there you go if you think you'd like an in between of those movies you'll probably like it if you didn't like winter soldier I don't recommend it.
>>82732510
I'll never give up the American Dream.
>>82705834
>Bucky
>Not Sam
Captain Falcon for life, dawg.
>>82706261
you think we would have gotten a better Zemo if Civil War wasn't forced on the Russos?
>>82732694
Can't fault you for that, Toni just checks off so many boxes on my hot list. Raven haired, dark eyes, sexy bod, beds easy. Oh to be her "Pepper."
I just realized Marisa Tomei would make an excellent Toni Stark.
>>82702780
Tony Stark could offer me my own personal Iron Man suit and I'd still be on Team Cap any day of the week.
Team Cap!
It was his movie after all, so of course his side was made a bit more sympathetic.
Went in neutral, came out neutral.
>>82727029
You know, it would have made more sense if she had a scene where she was attacked by some people. "A good mutie is a dead mutie" kind of way and she defended herself. It doesn't need to be a big attack, it doesn't even need to be a an attack, the press trying to pester her at every turn could do it.
That way Vision's speech makes a bit more impact.
>No one (on this team) hates you, they fear you, it's different...
>>82730566
I don't know about Jan or even Hope because this Pym would never allow it.
But if they do anyway this could lead to Pym's downfall.
>>82732901
Falcon has enough going for him now that he could be his own man.
He works better with other people and Bucky needs a wingman, it could be him.
>>82702780
I love you Captain America
>>82702780
Nope. I knew from the start that Tony was in the right and the movie only affirmed my conviction.
