Was he necessary /co/?
>>82681217
He was pretty boring. They should have dropped him after he and Jane broke up.
>>82681217
Toms biggest flaw was that he was boring. He didn't add any new depth to Daria's character, they should of just dropped him after his relationship with Jane went no where.
>>82681661
i thought it was interesting in a show full of nutjobs to just have one regular guy. daria had to deal with someone who was suddenly neither with her nor against her, as it were. sorta like when inner city shits come into contact with higher class folk who don't give any cares about their petty us-vs-them concerns.. they make a few bad assumptions, put up defenses that aren't necessary.. learn to let their guard down a little.. then wonder if they should just fully embrace that other way of life
>>82681217
Yes. He wasn't entertaining but he was good for Daria's character development.
>tfw the show ended over 14 years ago
Daria "stealing" Jane's boyfriend always seemed ooc to me. Granted I haven't seen is it fall yet in years.
>>82681955
While I agree he added growth to both daria and Jane's characters, he didn't really get much growth himself and that made him kind of boring to me.
>>82682331
it's not like she did it on purpose, they just fell for each other and she discovered for the first time she has shitty impulse control
i mean any of us permavirgins could turn out to be the worst kinds of people in the presence of a willing partner, we've just never been near one
>>82682426
this. to enjoy tom you have to just treat him as the literal guest that he was
He helped build other characters but never really built upon himself.
He was Tom, that was all he was.
He was pretty much the only "good" guy in the show though.
I remember the first time watching it I always thought he was going to turn out to be a scumbag, but after i rewatched it I realized Daria was just being a cunt and I was with her originally for whatever reason.
>>82681217
>was a beard necessary for one half of a teenage lesbian couple
IT WASN'T LIKE IT IS NOW
YOU COULDN'T JUST BE GAY YOU HAD TO BE GAY AND LOVELESS SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK YOU WERE RIGHT OUT OF WILL & GRACE
YOU DON'T KNOWWWWW
>>82682677
>Jane
>lesbian
Jane was massively cockhungry and rejected Bif Naked's sexual advances.
Tom?
Not in my canon.
Nah, he was boring. He had no personality other than being reasonable and witty.
I got the impression Tom was being intellectually edgy to fuck Jane and then Daria. it's like the nerd girl trick turned back on them.
mai waifu
Why are Daria cels so rare? Were they destroyed? The first part of Daria was cel animated.
>>82681217
Tom's main problem is that "necessary" is his leading quality. He's more a plot device than a character.
>>82682816
This.
There are also several hints that she's attracted to Kevin.
>>82682897
This picture is hilarious because it implies there's a future where Trent gets his shit together.
Is daria a giant fuck you to mike judge?
it seems like they were trying to make beavis and butthead for females but without him
>>82684038
Not only does he get his shit together but he's apparently an investment banker or some shit.
Who the fuck wears a bluetooth earpiece?
>>82681661
>Toms biggest flaw was that he was boring.
as opposed to Daria , or the rest of the show ?
>>82684175
yes
>>82684102
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-garrett-andrews/daria-the-untold-tale-par_b_5449805.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-garrett-andrews/daria-the-untold-tale-par_1_b_5610801.html
>tfw daria will never confess her love for jane
it hurts, /co/
fuck yeah Daria thread
>>82684317
Remember it would be character development to an extent that Daria's story would be over. The way she is, she can't even tell herself she loves Jane. She can't even love herself.
>>82684270
Is Stacy best FC girl?
>>82684553
Except for Quinn (imo). I think Stacy wants to lead the club but doesn't want to fight Sandi for it.
>>82684665
Nice.
>>82681217
His problem was that he was attractive.
Daria is obviously the kind of character that would have only gotten with someone ugly because she clearly had low self-esteem.
>>82684789
>>82684628
Man, Quinn was probably the smartest. Outside of her studying arc at the end. She kept outwitting Sandi at every turn.
>>82684229
DIARRHEA CHA CHA CHA
DIARRHEA CHA CHA CHA
DIARRHEA CHA CHA CHA
>>82684844
I really like that hairstyle. Do you remember what episode this was in?
>>82681217
yes.
his function was to be perfect and show that daria was indeed a hetero female because she couldn't stand being around an attractive man who respected her despite her justified and pessimistic view of the world.
it also served to show how awkward she was, and/or how the show wasn't willing to push the boundaries when it came to consensual underage sex.
>>82684852
Quinn is like Daria but in a different way. All the fashion club girls are too, but they're not like Quinn and Daria.
>>82684731
that's the one that ended up with the pompous ginger guy
>>82684922
I don't remember, but I think it's season 4.
>>82684922
Pinch Sitter, season 1. Daria has to babysit a couple of kids.
>>82681217
Yes, he was necessary - or something like him was. He helped Daria grow.
Was the "love triangle route" of introduction necessary though?
>>82681217
He was the herald of the end of the show.
Thanks, Anon Posting Screenshots. Saving 'em.
>>82685549
Thanks. I make screenshots of all my favorite shows.
>>82685686
Good man.
hey its that dude looking bitch from beavis and butthead
how is, what I assume to be Lisa Simpson the show?
>>82685765
I don't know. How's all those cocks you keep sucking on a regular basis?
>>82685765
Outstanding. How's your's?
>>82681217
I found his family more interesting than him. Too bad they pretty much vanished after the introduction.
>>82685791
projecting much :^)
>>82685805
How's my what?
>>82685729
That's probably one of my favorite episodes. I like seeing Daria more insecure.
>>82685834
I'm nor projecting. I was making a judgement based on your post that you're a faggot.
>>82685834
How's whatever show you like? How's it doing?
>>82685886
You are not worth replying to but I thought I'd do it as a personal favor
>>82685888
Fucking steven universe bro it's dank shit but it's been on hiatus. Hope /sug/ comes back and gets a sticky. Big things are happening, enjoy your episodic comedies kiddo.
>>82683954
I was under the impression that western animation cels in general were pretty hard to come by unless you were an insider.
>>82686068
Arnold from magic school bus is hotter than Daria
>>82686025
But with Daria cels it's like something happened to them. They exist, there's a gallery with some of them
http://bsnowden.rubberslug.com/gallery/master_query.asp?SeriesID=41165
but other than that, all I've ever seen are 2 or 3 cels on eBay from Beavis and Butt-Head. I also saw a site where somebody said they won Daria cels in a contest. Either something happened or somebody's hoarding them. A good cel from the series or movies Daria would probably be insanely expensive because of how rare it is.
>>82685966
I will. Good luck with your show.
>>82682426
i think it was because he was already grown himself. he was older and so he didn't NEED that growth in the time he was in the show. but he was boring. but it's like normal for girls that age to have a throw away boyfriend that was just there. so it's somewhat realistic. not every boyfriend is this life changing event.
>>82684135
>>82684038
At the end of Is it College Yet, the end slate implied that Tom would go on to become a senator. That's what SC was referencing in this picture. Don't worry about it.
>>82685368
I couldn't resist
Has any character in Daria dabbed?
>>82686455
Oh jesus... the turn of the millennium was not a good time to be on the internet. A bunch of fucks with Photoshop 6 and a tonne of pure unrefined autism
>>82686455
Good Daria porn is so hard to come by.
>>82686570
You say that as of anything has changed.
>>82686590
What would official Daria porn be like made by the writers and animators of the series?
>>82686722
She'd likely look bored in every image.
Would it be like Totally Spies?
>>82686732
>Brazzers
>>82686455
Well, that's unfortunate.
>>82686737
In character porn is best porn.
Am I the only one that was kinda into Ms. Li
>>82686963
I'd hit it.
>>82687024
Now I don't feel like such a freak!
![snapshot_00.21.04_[2012.11.16_02.52.21].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Z9J167b.jpg "snapshot_00.21.04_[2012.11.16_02.52.21].jpg")
>>82687135
One of my favorite reaction pics.
This show defined my teenage years, the good and the bad. The place it occupies in my heart is like a toothache you can't stop poking with your tongue.
>>82687425
>>82687270
Blushing Daria is the best thing.
>>82687433
HOYVIN-GLAVIN
>>82682897
I love this picture except for Jane's fucking pajama pants.
>>82683954
Good taste.
>>82684038
As far as I'm concerned, he became a doctor.
Lindy made me believe Quinn is Bi but isn't really aware of it. She liked Lindy in many of the same ways she liked David.
>>82688969
>>82688937
I always got a gay vibe from her.
>>82688988
She's making it pretty obvious. Maybe Quinn doesn't want to admit she gets it.
>>82688988
>>82688995
I always figured Stacy was the most likely character on the show to end up being a porn star. Maybe because she lets people push her around so much. Maybe because I dated a girl like Stacy in high school and she ended up being an obscure porn actress.
Jake is one of the most underrated cartoon dads ever
His struggles and antics made him a great character
>>82689117
I liked him better before they made him a helpless manchild. In the first season he wasn't completely dimwitted and helpless.
>>82684102
He said he was cool with it as long as he didn't have to do any work but then later he did a 180 and got pissed off because he felt like he was being replaced or something.
>>82681217
kinda, the entire point of tom, to me at least, was to make darias flaws more apparent.
she projects her emotions onto her relationship with tom, is more rational when dealing with him, is unable to accept his wealth and tom calls her out on it while still being a nice guy.
the issue with daria is that we really aren't supposed to like her as much as we do. It's like seifnfield, they are terrible people but they say and do all the things we wish we could do but don't because we're polite enough to have a filter.
Daria is surrounded by a ton of genuinely nice people, her mother is over worked and her father high strung but they genuinely care about her well being, her sister is a brat but she's shown the capacity for growth but the real kicker is kevin and brittany. Kevin and Brittany are the two nicest people in that school, genuinely good hearted individuals that just happen to be dumb that daria treats with distain.
kind of went on a tangent there but the point is tom is this super liable guy that reminds us that daria is human and calls out her flaws when no-one else could since jane kind of moved on from that role.
>>82689117
he's like a less pathetic (or maybe more pathetic) Jerry
>>82690898
I'd disagree with you on the Kevin part. Brittany totally cared about other people in spite of her ditzy nature, and as far as I can recall, Daria was never truly malicious to her even if she did make jabs at her and Kevin's low intelligence or at least if they were *doing* something stupid rather than try to shame them for it. But Kevin was a bit more...he was unintelligent and too immature to really understand social cues and came off as less of a sympathetic character.
He DID worry about Daria when she went to hospital, I'll give him that.
As for the OP and the Tom situation.. He brought in a fresh conflict to the story and some of the moments he and Daria had before they started dating were interesting and he was a genuinely nice guy, but once he and Daria started dating, where else was it able to go? His role in the final season was of little contribution other than the awkward episode where they nearly had sex and the final episode 'Boxing Daria' barely involved him.
That episode was pretty much the end of Daria's story (despite there was a college movie after... but hey, I just regard that as the epilogue for everyone who *isn't* Daria.) and there they break up. It's kinda colored badly by how Daria had to put up with some shit, but the end result of them behaving like adults and parting on good terms was, at least, packing some veracity rather than play out as terrible melodrama.
>>82693170
I think Tom's role in season 4 as mister supportive makes his lashing out a bit in Is It College Yet a bit more understandable. Daria sure as hell didn't put up with his shit nearly as well as he put up with hers, but isn't that always the case.
Daria got a little vicious with Brittany early on. I think they made Kevin the heel because they needed one, and even then he (and Upchuck) were never as bad as a lot of the fandom made them out to be when THEY needed heels. Kevin was spoiled and Upchuck was horny but neither of them were supervillains.
Like I think a legitimate flaw of the show was the teen girl perspective made it so that the only boy character who WASN'T a heel before Tom was Mack and that was just because they couldn't think of anything to do with the poor guy besides have him grumble about Kevin giving him an embarrassing nickname. I think you could've had a good episode with Kevin and Daria learning to understand each other a bit like they did with Brittany but eh.
>>82686365
I'd argue that Tom was a life changing event for Daria because her actions with him forced her to finally, really and truly admit she's a human being who fucks up as badly as everyone else around her.
Like that's her ARC, that's a big deal and it changes the tone of the show from "Daria rolling her eyes at idiots." to "Daria realizing everyone's stupid and the real trick is learning from it."
Tom was an incredibly passive part of that process because he's kind of cold and above it all.
>>82684960
Daria being into dudes was a thing the whole show.
Like its okay for two girls to be friends without fucking or implying they're going to fuck if not for those nasty censors. Hell, I think Daria was a legitimately important show for focusing on that rarest of birds in entertainment, authentic-feeling female friendship.
>>82692520
Jake is a Jerry, or hell ANY Wacky Dad, I want to watch because he does things besides feel like the author's daddy issues.
Jake has a character and I think a big part of Boxing Daria's impact was Helen outright confirming the long implication that Jake burnt himself the hell OUT holding shit together while Helen finished her degree and got started in law. There's a reason the dude is so high strung and that's because the whole of Daria is his come down-the Jake we see the whole series, the one that gives himself a rage based heart attack, is a calmer, recovering Jake. Like think about that for a second.
>>82681217
The first two seasons of Daria were great. The third season was a snore fest and the fourth was ok.
Is it fall yet? was their high water mark in my opinion.
The show was way better when Daria and Jane ripped on people and society for various reasons.
It may have been too mean in the eyes of MTV. Still, Daria and Jane are at their best as good friends who are alienated from the normies in the midst of wealth and they are a bit jaded, cynical and mean because of it. (Which they would be in real life.)
Tom is a bit too chill/nice to really fit in and it would have been fun if he was more "alive."
I wouldn't go so far to say he is a bad character, just that there was more that could have been done with him.
It really sucks that he broke up Daria and Jane's friendship but the show was getting lame anyway by the time he showed up. No harm, no foul.
>>82684102
I think it was lame that they didn't let him reuse Daria in the reboot, but I also think it was lame that he wanted to retcon the series.
Should've just set it before she moved using the magic of TV time.
But no its not a fuck you, Judge made his call. I think Judge being a bit more involved could've been cool though, we might've gotten more out of Kevin, Mack and Upchuck with him in the picture and the teachers DEFINITELY show the influence of his writing.
>>82693396
Upchuck was ...I dunno man, he was no rapist villain but seriously, he was *always* unpleasant. The worst thing he ever did wasn't just constantly propositioning women, he blackmailed Brittany early on in the Lab Brat.
Kevin was... there's no nice way to put it: he *was* an idiot and incredibly short-sighted. This isn't to say he was a truly bad person, because he wasn't, and his upbringing certainly had a hand in it, but he was coasting through high school, too stupid to realize he had to put in effort in anything except sports to get anything out of it (like, say, graduating.) He was friendly and amiable, but not capable of realizing his ignorance was a pain in the ass to deal with, especially by the faculty.
I can't recall Daria being 'vicious' to Brittany (though Jodie did snap at her after she and Daria went to that snooty prep school for a day) and wasn't above teasing her a few times with advice she was sure to take/interpret the wrong way, but that was hardly a personal thing.
>>82693520
No! Two females LITERALLY cannot be friends! They have to be lesbians! Like Korra :^)
>You were trying buy my influence with a date?
>That's how we do it in America, comrade.
>>82682542
>i mean any of us permavirgins could turn out to be the worst kinds of people in the presence of a willing partner, we've just never been near one
not true btw
>>82682897
Seems totally accurate except wtf is with Trint?
>>82693871
Its been a while, you're remembering better than me. Wasn't the blackmail after Brittany basically came in like "do my work for me nerd." though?
Honestly the funniest Upchuck scenes for me where when he lost the suave persona, like at the house party or when he got screwed at the flea market. Still gets a laugh out of me when he just deflates.
And yeah Kevin was fucking dumb, I just think they could've done more with the slow horror of realizing you're too short for the NFL so your whole life plan is sinking.
>>82694095
A witch kissed him and he became a Ghost In The Shell character I guess.
>>82685765
It was better when it was meaner to society. There was some out of place PC from Daria in one episode and Jane's boyfriend even said in reference to Daria "Some people can't have any fun unless they get permission from the PC police."
Two token black characters who are all but perfect.
Really boring third season. One and Two are the best. Fourth is decently funny.
>>82681217
He was too perfect, and that made him boring. But he helped in developing Daria.
>>82688800
Law is way too easily frazzled to be Trent.
>>82694612
Didn't season 3 have the musical, the food court nut place, and Jake of Hearts?
>>82694612
I thought Jodie was great. Her whole character was that she WAS too perfect; she was expected to be by her high achieving parents who never let up on how she was representing her entire race every time she did anything.
She's like the one person in the cast Daria tries to get to lighten up.
>>82694713
It's been too long for me to remember all the details. I watched the episodes on dvd and recall feeling like I was doing chores during the third season.
I did not like the musical episode (if you meant to imply that those three episodes were good ones.)
>>82685368
Jake was the best daria character.
>>82694749
To my mind, Jodie and Mac suffer from what Tom also suffers from, lack of development.
Jodie and Mac are even worse for lack of development. They are a case of "Yeah, they definitely just threw these two in to have some diversity." Tom is just there to be the love interest of Jane and then Daria.
The Asian principle feels a lot like that too but at least provides some great comic relief once in a while with her schemes.
>>82695395
I think Jodie suffered because they lost her voice actor mid-production in a season, but what episodes she does have are strong.
Mack I can't argue with, I remember an interview where the creators admitted they had no idea what to do with him.
Li was a fantastic look at shitty principles and how they can turn a whole school sour I dunno what you're talking about there.
>>82695645
The completely unnecessary diversity for diversity's sake.
They could have removed Jodie and Mac and had a white principle make the same jokes as Ms. Li and the show would have been pretty much the same while being more believable.
Or they could have had a diverse cast and added real tension to the story. Some people could like diversity, some people could hate it. Jokes could be made at the expense of non white characters about their race.
That would be too much for modern society probably but would be a much funnier show.
>>82696146
I think the asian principle being the closest thing to an outright villain the cast has is pretty-like idk what you want, Kevin making black jokes all day?
Jodie's all about real shit black kids in the suburbs deal with, the pressure to preform not just to equal their parents's successes but to somehow even out the score of their entire ethnicity. Its a cool story hook and while the show didn't do as much with it as it could, I like that they had the guts to talk about it.
Mack is the definition of a safe character, yeah, though Kevin needs a straight man so there is that.
Like you know minorities do live in the burbs, right. Its not all white people everywhere; Lawndale's in Maryland, I think, I'm not really sure where you get the idea that two black kids is so out there it breaks story cohesion.
>>82696146
see Id rather they just NOT make a big deal about the fact that not whites exist. I really don't know what you expect but people of varying cultures races etc can typically get on pretty fine when no ones being a cunt
