best part of the movie
He overpowered Bucky with one hand but Cap threw him like a ragdoll by flipping his wrists
>>82657328
cap wining in his movie wow
>>82657328
>what is opposing force
>>82657343
Nice damage control. But no really I agree, like Spider-Mans powers should change depending who he's fighting
>>82657376
stay upset
>>82657328
>I don't understand physics at all!
Also you mean he overpowered Bucky's one arm with his one arm?
>>82657428
Keep defending awful writing.
DEFENDERS OF DISNEY UNITE
>>82657441
Spider-Man has super strength that easily overpowers both Cap and Bucky, it is no contest. They severely weakened Spider-Man in some parts but not in others.
>>82657468
>that easily overpowers both Cap and Bucky, it is no contest
you mean the Cap that could curl a helicopter? From what scene in the movie did you find out that Spidey was stronger than this?
>>82657487
Spidey did stop a runaway truck flying super fast on his own and hold up tons of metal debris, stopping it from crushing him.
>>82657290
>best part
>not Sam and Bucky nodding at Cap getting in there
>>82657487
>Cap that could curl a helicopter
Struggle with a helicopter.
Spidey could easily yank a helicopter down, and that's without webbing.
>>82657487
>The MCU can just re write power sets who cares about comics
I see who you are now. Fuck off to /tv/
>>82657500
Only further proving the inconsistancy of his strength
>>82657500
but neither of those things imply Spidey easily overpowering Helicopter-Curling Cap
Not to mention that he was handling his own against Cap for awhile. When he shot his two webs when Cap was going for his shield, he was holding him back until he made Spidey lose balance.
Fuck.
>>82657521
>The MCU can just re write power sets who cares about comics
Yes that is exactly right. The MCU can re-write power sets. Its a self-contained universe. Like how the Ultimate universe also has different power sets for characters.
You don't know this?
>>82657453
cry more bitch nigga
>>82657524
Spider-Man has super strength, I dont think you understand. Spider-Man can punch skulls off heads with very little effort.
>>82657547
You're a shill faggot. And also, you're ignoring that its still inconsistent. At times hes strong, othertimes he's weak. It's a flaw in the film to anybody who isn't a moron with blinders on.
>>82657453
We're the GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY BITCH.
spiderman countered the punch because it was a straightforward punch. he gets thrown around by cap cause the thinks his webbing put him at an advantage and steve used finesse to throw him, catching him off guard
>>82657642
>Yes that is exactly right. The MCU can re-write power sets. Its a self-contained universe.
>neither of those things imply Spidey easily overpowering Helicopter-Curling Cap
>>82657500
You know it bugged me that Cap just let that much weight fall on that guy. How could he even know that he could handle it?
>>82658531
That sounds about right.
>>82657487
Cap could never break the grip of buckys metal arm. Spidey overpowered buckys metal arm without breaking a sweat.
>>82657290
worst Spider-Man
spider-man pros
>they got his power levels right
> suit
>fighting abilities: he's still inexperienced at this stage and he only really won his fights when it was against a straight forward opponent. His spider sense was working, but it mostly served to confuse him rather than help him, as he hasn't learned how to act on it.
cons
>he sounds like a fucking 10 year old
>blindly following Stark. there's star struck, and then there's blindly following along when he asks you to fight other super heroes.
>awful banter. He talked the entire fight and not a single thing was funny.
I'm pretty on the fence about him.
>>82658624
Because he'd seen him do a standing jump of over 15 metres and pull his shield off his hands plus a bit of tug of war. He stuck around to make sure he was ok, that's what the "Queens/Brooklyn" banter was about
>>82659653
literally shit taste
>>82658679
ugh
cringe material
>>82659653
>awful banter. He talked the entire fight and not a single thing was funny.
But that's spot on though
Did no one see spiderman stop a car in the movie like a piece of cake. Even iron man made comment on stopping a 2 ton car going at 45mph.
>>82659707
and how cap struggled to just pull a car in AOU.
>>82657515
Well, helicopter are easily brought down when there is dramatic shifts in weight like that, aren't they?
>>82657468
>Spider-Man has super strength that easily overpowers Cap
I bet you think Wolverine is the strongest X-Men too
>>82658556
This. Spidey clearly outmatched Cap in strength but Steve worked around that and outmanuvered Peter. Also, no amount of strenght/durability will remove the pain of a Vibranium shield to the face. Ask Thor.
Also unrelated but. If HYDRA got to put their hands on five samples of the perfected Super Soldier serum why on Earth did they straightforward used it all to make 5 Winter Soldiers instead of reverse engineering the thing and make a super army? That was a pretty retarded waste.
for people bullshitting about power levels, i think it was pretty clear that spiderman was tiring out quickly and caught off guard by cap's combat experience
i think everyone, even the russo brothers, know that a mature and experienced spiderman would most definitely not even break a sweat fighting cap, but right now he's just a little guy
hell, spidey was so out of it by the end of the fight that even tony managed to hold him down
>>82659805
>Mr.Stank i'm not done!
lol
>>82659745
Reminder Falcon just drop kicked one with relative ease.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBU6QA_i5HQ
has anyone seen this? super comfy fan made trailer
>>82659827
Holy shit, that pissed me off.
>>82659793
Teen Spidey is usually 10 tons. MCU Cap looks like he's 1-2 tons tops. Comics Cap has to be like half a ton.
>>82659793
>I bet you think Wolverine is the strongest X-Men too
I'm pretty sure its Scott whenever his punch dimension lasers are out of control and he's screaming JEEAAANN!
>>82659805
Cap would have a harder time agaibst a mature Peter but wouldn't be helpless specially if he's aware of what Spidey's abilities from the beginning. Remember Steve is used to rodeo with baddies way above his league.
>>82658624
because a scrawny teenager in a onesie strung up cap by both his hands and held him back
he could gauge the guy's strength in their fight leading up to that point. cap's a strategist. he knew spidey could hold it and that it would put him out of the fight for a while
IMPRESSIVE
>>82657290
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82659827
QUADS AND THIGHS BABY
>>82659685
I agree. It should be "the entire D'ast Galaxy."
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82659906
Is the Goblin that strong in the comics?
>>82659905
Not to mention he had likely seen footage or heard about him. Caps job is in intelligence.
What normies don't see is that although Cap isn't as strong as most others, he's the perfect strategist and knows how to take down most opponents that aren't literal gods and aliens.
>>82659951
Absolutely. Even literally who news reporters have heard of him. “We got guys who jump. We got guys who swing. We got guys who climb up walls.”
If Cap didn't hear about him, Widow definitely did.
>Bucky's bionic arm was overpowering Iron Man's armor
>Spidey easily overpowered Bucky's arm
>Captain America overpowered Spidey
Looks like Captain America is confirmed stronger than Iron Man.
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82659653
you have the right to remain silent el faggo - spider-man
>>82659997
DELETE THIS
>>82659955
TeamCap was clearly the underdog in the airport fight. With Scarlet Witch and Vision basically neutralizing each other Ant-Man was the one thing evening the odds. Otherwise it was just a bunch of really athletic guys against two Iron Man armors a vibranium clad voodoo powered guy, a super spy as capable as them and a super strong, super agile freak with web-shooters.
How many hits of armor do you think Bucky gets with that arm?
>>82657441
What about the part after that where he just pulled him normally
>>82657328
When fighting a character with super strength, throws are the most effective move.
Unless the opponent has flight/tactile telekinesis/super density, Cap could throw them just as easily as he could throw anything weighing 200-300 lbs
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82660211
spiderman has sticky feet though
>>82657512
I was jonesing so hard for it to cut to Sam and Buck during Cap's kiss, I liked their reactions but I would have found it funnier if it cut to them before he was done.
>>82659925
YOU DID APPRECIABLY WELL WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS YOU WERE GIVEN TO WORK WITH
i mean
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
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>>82659997
Nope.
>>82657290
Compare
>>82660286
And it's shocking how infrequently writers make him use it.
One of my favorite Spidey moments has him confront some of the F4 on a rooftop, he was chasing Venom (I think it was a Venom stand-alone book). Ben gets in his way, Pete just reaches out, grabs him with his sticky feet and fingers, chucks him off the rooftop, and suggests the others catch him. Couldn't lift a dude that heavy without some SERIOUS sticky feet hax.
I kind of wish Spider-Man was more sarcastic than fan boyish.
More lines like the "Hey, Buddy! I think you lost this!" line.
>>82660442
Maybe unrelared but i rememember the 90's show stablishing a somewhat clear limit to his stickiness. He can't sustain his owm weight on two limbs. That's why he crawls on the walls. When he got the Venom symbiote his powees were enhances and was able to stand up fully on his two feet while sticked to a wall. Dunno if that applies to comics.
>>82660524
I thought it was appropriate, since he's basically a starry-eyed kid trying to figure out how to trash-talk these internationally-known superheroes. I imagine when he gets to the final fight in his solo movie, he'll be throwing out zingers with the best of them.
>>82660552
I don't think so. Comic Spidey occasionally stands/walks upright on a wall just for effect, but it's probably not very effective in combat.
>>82660598
Meant to post this. Couldn't find a better scan.
>>82659799
Psychosis and insanity don't really sound perfected; the movie pretty much implies they were a super-awesome kill team BEFORE the serum, and that they were put on ice after.
>>82660524
>"You have the right to remain silent!"
>>82659946
He's either as strong as Spidey or slightly stronger. He's nowhere near as quick or agile though. He's taken a couple of supplements to the original formula over the years.
>>82659925
THANK YOU
BASED RUSSOS
>>82660552
It was in the animated series and Spider-Man 3. But in the comics, Spider-Man has a chance against the Hulk, so supporting his own weight on two feet shouldn't be a problem.
>>82662310
That isn't a matter of strenght, though. It's about how sticky his body is.
I went into this movie thinking it would be good but having no expectations for Spider-Man, I expected to loathe it
To my surprise I didn't, I think this little faggot is ok...some of the lines could have been better, but HE did ok
What sucks isn't tge Spider-Man its the fact that they shoe horned Avengers BS into his introduction, for what? This was dpne for obvious marketing reasons but it cheapens the character ans cements that this will never be a true Spider-Man one hundred
Also his powers do seem inconsistent, but so do all of them in this movie now that im thinking about it
>>82657290
IMPRESSIVE
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82659837
That's actually pretty great. I love how the did the swat dude repelling down the spiral stairs. Gave a hearty kek.
a friendly reminder that spidey can and has held his own against the hulk.
hes supposed to be near as strong as the hulk (however, not as strong) but literally holds back on people so he doesnt kill them.
>>82663010
I could see Spidey kicking Hulk around a little before Hulk starts to get angry, but from then on out, power level bullshit starts and the name of the game will have to be evasion.
Actually, this makes me think about how cool a Spiderman vs Hulk scene could be in the movies. I'd love to see it done by Whedon or the Russos.
>>82657328
>two opposing forces are able to neutralize
>but a 120 pound kid can be picked up despite being supernaturally strong
Cap was fighting smarter than Bucky. Bucky just met force at force, which would give Spidey the advantage. Spidey still loses Tug of War not because he isn't stronger but because he's basically nonexistent as a counterweight.
>>82663375
Why? We've hardly seen any of the MCU Spidey and the action we have seen was pretty meh
ASM as a whole may not be great but the action was PERFECT Spider-Man action
>>82664005
You disliked the MCU Spider Man action sequences? Holy damn, you have bad taste. No reason for you and me to be talking.
>>82664199
It was rather generic. He didn't move like a spider or contort his body like he does in his best drawn comic action sequences.
But you don't read comics
>>82664005
holy shit i want to throw up reading this.
you are judging a 5 minute total scene with a full length motion picture
autism aside, civil war was the first time i can say i SAW spiderman from the comics on screen. i still cant believe it. anyone who cant get on board with what we saw doesnt deserve to be called a spidey fan. you just want mcfarlane parker. gtfo
>>82664199
agreed. MCU spiderman was fucking BASED.
>>82664199
>>82664329
Same fag
You don't read comic books
You're a queer
>>82658679
>Guardians of entire galaxy
>American flag badges
>>82657328
He's stronger, not heavier.
I think this worked as it should have.
Peter is OP but only when he's dead serious. And when he's in his prime. This Spidey hasn't even had a full year in the tights yet, so he's clearly got some leveling up to do. Spider-man is a fan favorite but he jobs a lot considering his overall stats.
Meanwhile, Cap got a major boost in the MCU AND 616 Cap frequently punches above his weight class due to Freedom-fu.
So the idea that he might be able to outmaneuver a Spider-baby, in his own movie, is believable.
>>82666748
Yeah, it was good. He held his own, but no way he could beat cap when he's still in highschool.
>>82657453
>28%
>>82660552
He stands perpedicular to walls frequently.
>>82663978
But he can stick to things with his strength.
>>82659925
Thank you based russos
>>82659653
Spidy quips aren't meant to be funny. Its just an annoying defense mechanism he uses to calm himself down and piss his opponents off into doing stupid shit. Rosss nailed it perfectly.
As for sounding like a 10 year old. Yea thats what kids sound like when they are young. Or did you miss the memo that Peter is nerdy squirt this time around?
>>82657343
He beat him through intimidation in the comics. Cap doesn't miss a trick.
>>82663978
Spidey underestimated Cap. He could have been nervous too. His psyche effects his abilities greatly.
>>82659745
Depends on the pilot.
>>82657453
WHY PEOPLE LIKE WHAT I DONT!? ITS SHIT BELIVE ME!
>>82657642
Stop accusing everyone of being a shill. You make people not want to listen to all the actual problems with shills we have.
>>82659653
The Spider-sense power level isn't right at all. He should have to act on it. It's something his bodey does for him while his brain comes up with good banter. Even with the inexperienced angle, he has been nerfed hard without his easy mode 2hu powers.
>>82659707
This is a much more down to Earth version of Spider-Man.
>>82668911
Spider sense doesn't mean he can't get hit.
>>82659890
He would be completely helpless with a month to prepare and all the right equipment. It's the god damned Spider-Man.
>>82657328
Are you talking about the part where Spidey webs up Cap's arms from behind? Cap literally has to use his whole body as leverage in order to slingshot Spidey away.
>>82659653
So what you're saying is this was a dead on balls accurate Spider-Man.
>>82660834
Stronger than Spider-Man.
He would be a way bigger threat if that were true. Spidey holds back against him, too.
I wonder if viagra would help Ant-Man with his problem getting big but not being able to hold it very long.
>>82663375
That is pretty much what usually happens.
>>82668963
He acts on future knowledge unconsciously. He is essentially a Jedi. It requires overwhelming speed or magical interference to hit him, and without that, he effectively can't get hit.
>>82669279
Then how come he gets hit all the fucking time.
>>82659653
I was really cool with them not line-dropping "With great power comes great responsibility" when Tony asked him what it is that motivates him. Its a nod to the audience that we all know it by heart and at the same time characterizes Peter as being so early in his career that he doesn't feel confident enough in himself to be able to speak the words out loud to someone else.
Really good, subtle decision. You can tell that those are the words on his mind as he struggles for other ones, but he's not sure if he's lived up to them yet so he doesn't use them.
Or at least that was my take-away.
>>82669355
He doesn't. You're full of it.
I was a little disappointed that Tony built webshooters for Pete will what looked like cell phone apps in the holographic/spider-signal display.
>>82669478
>Spiderman doesn't get hit
I don't know what comics YOU'RE reading.
>>82669447
You're reading too much into it.
>>82669478
Beating up/ killing Spiderman is one of Marvel's favorite things to do.
>>82669552
what is that gay ass shit
>>82669731
Hard to say.
>>82657290
Thats not Ant-Man.
>>82669821
Wow.
Subtle.
Everybody jobbed in this fucking movie to make Cap look good. Really, as strong as Cap is he is no match for Iron Man, and definitely no match for Spidey.
He's not even really a match for a helicopter. Even the fucking helicopter jobbed.
>>82669821
Teh Rei
>>82669867
>and definitely no match for Spidey.
Yes he is, especially a nervous highschool-age spidey who's barely getting a handle on his powers and superheroics.
>>82669981
In a pure strength contest though? That tug of war was bullshit, don't lie to yourself anon
>>82670023
He didn't beat him in pure strength, stupid, spidey had the upper hand. Cap made him lose his balance and uses his momentum to get him off his feet, at which point he was still a scrawny-ass kid getting thrown by a super soldier.
>>82657376
Yeah, if it makes for a more interesting fight, fuck it.
>>82663978
>he's basically nonexistent as a counterweight
He can stick to shit
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82660064
>vibranium clad voodoo powered
>voodoo powered
>voodoo
What... the actual fuck did I just read?
>>82669867
>Really, as strong as Cap is he is no match for Iron Man, and definitely no match for Spidey.
Fucking this.
This a good movie because I honestly didn't know who to root for, I was torn Capt was trying to do the right thing no matter the cost while Stark was trying to control the situation to prevent more damage but turning w blind eye (until later) to fixing the problem.
I loved that this was the first time we saw Stark "lose it" because his character is never in a state of not being control of himself hince the jokes but we got to see his more primal side proving he is just as human as everyone else.
>>82660442
Look up the Spidey book written by Jim Butcher. It has several scenes that make use of this.
Early on he fights the Rhino and actually goes through a whole internal explanation about how even though he can't bench press 100 tons, he can lift up 10 to 15 on a good day. Add to that his ability to anchor himself... Well he explains how you have powerhouses like Hulk and the Thing, and while they can lift 100, they can't really punch that hard or they'd send themselves flying as well. While Pete, on good asphalt or concrete flooring can anchor himself, then let loose with all his strength, combined with spider boosted speed, and basically he lays into Rhino's face like a speedbag and then watches the big lug drop down with a big KO.
>>82660524
I think he was a little overawed. I mean you go from stopping thugs on the street to suddenly being in a gigantic super hero brawl with a bunch of living legends. Its pretty impressive he gets as many joke lines as he does, it shows how he's trying really hard to be serious and not let Stark down. Remember that in pretty much every universe, Peter has always been a huge Stark fanboy. Far more for his tech level than his armor.
>>82668961
That's adult Spidey tho.
The best part of the movie was the fact that they didn't try to shove 3 stories into onelooking at you DCand worked with the comic while adding their own real world touches.
>>82660564
I loved how he does talk quite a bit, and I think most of us fans look at this as completely normal, but then Falcon mentions how in fights, you don't normally talk. But we all know thats just classic Spidey.
>>82659799
>>82660724
we don't know the details. It's possible they made more but put it into storage when the result proved unstable.
The US Army had the formula to use on blonsky as well, so it's possible people just don't want to use it.
>>82663010
>hes supposed to be near as strong as the hulk (however, not as strong)
I'm sorry but no. Spidey is a ten ton lifter. Yeah thats leaps and bounds above average joe's like Hawkeye, and leaves Caps "peak human" in the dust, but its no where near the seismic shaking 100 ton< HULK.
>>82664465
Samefag? Its that hard to believe that multiple people think you have a shitty opinion? Guess what friendo, the tally's still climbing. Your personal opinion is ass.
Is there a gif of Ironman blasting at Cap's shield in slowmo? Best scene right there.
>>82669016
When spidey is serious, he's pretty damn crazy. His speed, strength, maneuverability, and of course spidey sense make him a crazy high level threat.
Especially if he uses the webs right, he can disarm you, trap you, or fling you up into the air and just rip you apart. Or come at you from completely unreal angles of attack, start bouncing off you like a pinball that smacks with several tons of force.
>>82669447
I kind of agree. I kept waiting for him to say the line, but never quite got there, and I think yours is as good an explanation as any.
>>82664005
Agree with you about ASM action, but Civil War Spidey was great too.
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82669551
skullknight_vs_void.jpg
>>82663978
Spider-Man can plant himself to levels that exceed caps strength.
>>82668961
>Pumpkin Scissors
Don't worry anon, I got your incredibly obscure manga reference.
>>82668814
"There are people that disagree with me" doesn't mean we have an "actual problem with shills." It's autists being physically incapable of understanding the concept of different people having different opinions.
>>82657642
And in the MCU (and Ultimate), Cap also has super-strength. I don't see what the problem here is.
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82657290
Nah, Scott going giant was the best.
>MFW someone in my theater shouted out "Motherfucking Pym Particles!"
>>82659838
Falcon's able to do some crazy shit. He gets kicked 20 feet off that ledge by Spidey and he isn't even winded.
>>82659653
>i have no idea who the fuck spider man is
MCU Spidey Rule 34 when?
>>82668709
holy shit. give that guy a medal.
>>82657290
"dude! you have a metal arm? sweet!"
I fuckin' loved this spidey
>tony goes to send spider-man home after he took that hit
>peter coming to and freaking out, trying to push him away
hyynng, that broke my heart a little bit. I can't help but wonder what kind of shit he's already been through to react that way.
>>82677433
you mean like his uncle dying?
>>82657290
Spidey looks like he's wearing a cheap zentai suit.
>>82670261
I'm sure I've read this particular bit too, yeah. I like his little side-explanations while he pulls off some ridiculous shenanigans.
Now I almost want to see Spidey go full JoJo.
>You've already fallen into my trap! Now I, Spider-Man, will send you to hell!
>>82657290
Why is his suit all CGI? He looks straight from a Marvel's ultimate alliance cinematic
>>82670382
Spider-man's in the twenty ton area. Especially after things like "The Other" it goes higher. But even before that stuff, during pressing times like The Final Chapter and all that, he's lifted WAY more. Held up the Daily Bugle from collapsing at one point, or more just held up it's supporting column. Peter's held back by his confidence. When he lets loose..well, it's scary.
>>82657290
>Spider-Man has super strength
And here I thought he was able to shoot web because of tech he invented. So, where'd he get his powers from in this incarnation?
>>82679704
Easier to prevent leaks? You would be surprised what is CG and what isn't.
Heck, cap shield is 99% CG nowadays even if the real shield is there the day of filming
>>82657328
spin to win bitch.
>>82681989
Since when has Spider-Man not had superstrenth? Didn't you see the train scene in Spider-Man 2?
>>82665000
there wouldn't even be a galaxy without america
> mfw fight scenes
Holy shit that shaky cam. It almost ruined the movie for me. They kept it out for the most part in the final two fights, at least.And I still don't get it. I enjoyed this about as much as I enjoyed BvS.
>>82670568
This is why I'm happy they're playing up Spidey as being one of the stronger metahumans in the MCU. Spider-Man's powerset is an extremely effective combination with secondary powers that all perfectly complement each other. The only real way to stand a chance in a fight against him is to basically overwhelm him, to outclass him with raw power. In a Cap vs Spidey fight where neither of them hold back, my money's on spidey, especially if it's just in a wide empty space with no environmental factors to take advantage of.
This is one of the reasons why I like the Regent's obsession with Spidey in Renew Your Vows. He made a point of explaining that Spidey's super reflexes and Spider Sense were dangerous enough, but when combined with the powers he'd stockpiled he becomes unstoppable.
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSOS
>>82670218
Not sure it's much of an excuse, but isn't Cap fighting a mind controlled Bucky, whereas Spidey is fighting him while they're just trying to escape? Dunno that Bucky would be throwing all his weight into such punches, and washe was probably not expecting a kid to be able to catch it.
>>82657290
How much is this based on the comic?
>>82683463
The one thing that godawful Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon was starting Norman's obsession with him through Norman realizing how potent his abilities are and trying to copy them. I hope they do something similar in the films, maybe with a rivalry that brings up hatchets thought to have been buried during Civil War as to how to deal with the many parties after Spidey's powers. Hell, I would love it if it turned out there was a black market out there for metahumans.
>>82682583
I dont really get the praise either. It was better than BvS for sure in my book, but still down near the bottom of MCU films. With the likes of Iron Man 2, Cap 1 and Thor 2.
Airport scene was good, and spidey was based, but mostly it was kinda shit.
>>82657328
Spidey is super-strong, it's true.
Bucky has a single super-strong arm.
Cap has an entire super-strong body.
Bucky unarmed is not really in Spidey's league. Cap very much is. And that's why Cap and Spidey each have several volumes of their own books, and Bucky doesn't.
>>82683696
Captain America: Civil War would more accurately be called Captain America: The Winter Soldier Part 2 With Scenes Loosely Inspired By Select Excerpts From Civil War.
>>82683778
>Bucky unarmed is not really in Spidey's league. Cap very much is.
No he's not.
Hate to go powerlevelfag here, but Spidey is like 50 times stronger than Captain in sheer muscle power.
>>82683836
Cap has a massive edge in experience and combat training, though. He knows how to do this shit properly. Spidey learned to fight on the street. And in this movie, Spidey clearly states he has only six months of experience.
>>82674008
If he wasn't a kid out of his depth.
>>82681830
while its true a pissed off spiderman is terrifying and he does crank his dial up to 11, maybe 12 alot of the time.
Saying he's in the hulks league is laughable though.
>>82683992
I hope that during Infinity War we get to see what Spidey is like when he doesn't hold back
>>82660641
Here you go.
>>82683992
well Hulk is the strongest there is...
Spidey is under Thor too but besides that, stronger than any Avenger (excluding Scarlet Waifu)
>>82684642
>The Avengers have made it into Thanos's stronghold
>He's wiped the floor with all of them
>Thanos then deals a fatal blow to one of the team, either Cap or Tony
>Cue 'NO' from Spidey
>Jumps around, uses his agility and webbing very effectively
>despite fighting Thanos almost on his own, Spidey gives him a serious run for his money
>Thanos remarks that Spidey is much more dangerous when he abandons mercy
>Thanos has to rely on the power of the Gauntlet in order to avoid getting taken down
Spider-Man 2 > TASM > TASM 2 > Spider-Man >>>> Spider-Man 3
Prove me wrong
>>82657290
IMPRESSIVE
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82669551
To be fair, that's Spidey vs. Spidey, and that's about as close as you can get to somebody that can hit Spidey, unless Marvel has one of its murderboners revving to go
>>82659886
>punch dimension lasers
So accurate.
I'm taking this explanation for plebs who think lol hot fire.
>>82670188
dat herb.
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
Pure power levels in Civil War are something along the lines of:
Vision, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Man
Ant-Man, Iron Man and War Machine
Bucky, Steve, T'Challa
Black Widow, Hawkeye and Falcon.
>>82687562
nigga falcon dropped kicked a helicopter out of the sky he doged vision laser when he wasnt even looking hes above all of them in a leauge of his own
>>82687876
Skill and experience doesn't effect power levels. You can have all the power in the world and not know how to use it properly, which is pretty accurately represented in the movie by Scarlet Witch or Ant-Man not being able to fight very well when he turns into Giant-Man.
>>82657328
>>82657343
>>82657441
>>82660211
>>82663978
>>82666503
>>82682096
>>82683778
You're all wrong and you're over thinking this shit.
Look at what happened.
>Spidey easily beats Bucky and Falcon
>Goes on to lose against Cap
He didn't lose against Cap because he wasn't experienced, he didn't lose against Cap because he was dumber.
The REASON he lost against Cap, but had no problem webbing up Bucky was because he fucking IDOLIZES Cap.
He read bout Captain America when he was in fucking elementary school. He looks up to Captain America the same way you would look up to George Washington, or Abraham Lincoln.
He knows that Captain America is a war hero who helped beat Hitler in World War 2.
He's a fucking fanboy for Cap.
That's why he argued with Cap, that's why he was so easily distracted while fighting him. Because he respects Cap more than anyone else on the Avengers team.
That's why he lost.
>>82659799
I was under the impression it was the formula they used on Blonsky. It did make him kind of crazy, which is how the 5 seemed to me and would explain why they put them on ice and left them there.
>>82657328
Actually what happened is Cap flipped forward and then pulled Spidey off of his feet; it was more of a momentum thing thing then a strength thing.
That trick has actually worked on Spidey in the comics before if he's not ready for it.
>>82660552
...no it didn't. I don't know what you're thinking of but it wasn't TAS, he had no problems standing on walls in that.
>>82659653
>His spider sense was working, but it mostly served to confuse him rather than help him, as he hasn't learned how to act on it.
This is actually a thing in the comics; regardless of what Handbooks say, if Peter isn't paying attention he can't react in time to his Spider-Sense unless it's a BIG warning that screams "DODGE NOW". Go read classic Spider-Man and start counting how many times he says "Spider-Sense warned me too late!"
This is why he tends to loose fights against his enemies when they first show up, as Peter is NEVER focusing on the fight and instead is constantly mouthing off and not focusing or taking the fight very seriously.
Peter is most dangerous when he shuts the fuck up and stops mouthing off and let's his reflexes and Spider-Sense work in concert like they should, but he so rarely actually DOES this.
>>82687562
>Pure power levels
aren't real, even in fiction
>>82687562
Swap Spider-Man and Ant-Man, Black Panther is honestly above Steve and Bucky, but bellow Iron Man's tier.
>>82670568
I'd argue Spider-Man's biggest weakness is that his powers are attached to a doofus who doesn't know when to shut up and focus on a fight and instead keeps mouthing off rather then using his powers all at once like he should.
Peter actually DOES talk too much.
>>82670568
Fighting Spidey is like trying to swat a fly that keeps bouncing off you and flying around you while you try to swat it and the fly knows where you are going to try and hit a second before you do and each time the fly bounces off you you feel like you've just been hit by Mike Tyson.
The fly is also calling you a faggot every time it hits you or you miss, just to annoy you.
>>82688352
On purpose since he does it to throw his enemies off. I don't remember who it was, I think it might have been Daredevil or Reed Richards, but someone once pointed out that if Spider-Man ever stops talking during a fight that's when you know your in trouble.
>>82670332
Even in comics everybody wishes Spidey would just shut the fuck up.
>>82688378
Imagine >>82688374 this fight is regular Spidey.
Spidey when he is done fucking around is just as fast, only his FIRST hit feels like a truck hit you instead of Mike Tyson, and then he hits you three more times before you throw your first punch, at which point he is ALREADY behind you and hitting you twice more.
There's an issue of 90's Spidey where one of those Iron Man knockoff guys (the Guardsmen) fights him and he flips out and looses his shit and beats the guy so badly that it nearly kills him. The guy in the armor keeps mentioning that he'd just so fast and so strong that he can't even physically keep up with his punches and reaction times, and he keeps coming from these insane angles and doing shit like webbing you off-balance before he tosses you through a wall then web-slings a brick at fifty miles an hour into your FACE before hitting you three more times and so on and so forth.
>>82684749
Groovy, thanks.
>>82669551
Anyone have that scene from the Punisher comic where Spidey and Frank have a "team-up" and The Russian pummels the crap out of Spidey?
>>82670243
Fuck yeah, this movie actually really made me appreciate Tony as a character.
I kind of wish they showed little scenes of Cap's team actually getting arrested after the fight. By some goons or something.
I can imagine Hawkeye trying to fight off some people as he's trying to get Ant-man up and moving. Or Vision restraining Wanda.
>>82658556
This is a good answer but it'll be ignored because anons like to bicker some more
It's pretty sad that Spider-man has had his powers for only a few months and can already kick Captain America's ass. Captain America should fire whoever is teaching him how to fight
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82668709
Holy shit that's like a Hawkeye version for helicopter maneuvering
>>82659925
>that ant arrow
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82683696
Not much at all, and thank God for it.
>>82657290
The best part about this whole scene is spidey didnt even realize he was the strongest one there.
cool arm!
>>82691087
Mighty Mouse is the best MMA fighter in history, he'll still lose to anyone in the top 15 at heavyweight.
>>82684775
please infiltrate the writers room of MARVEL and make this happen.
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82691811
I would also add that Spidey manages to web one of the gems out of Thanos's gauntlet during the fight, and manages to resist turning into dust long enough to use its power to heal/resurrect the rest of the Avengers so they can launch a counterattack against Thanos.
>>82682583
>>82683718
Maybe because the movie managed to balance Tony's and Cap's sides. It's not black and white, and you can't easily say who is completely right or wrong
>>82657290
I dunno. I liked the part where Tony forgets about the villain keikaku master and tries to kill a brainwashed hitman and a superhero protecting him.
LONDON
>>82688190
We're talking about the MCU anon, not the comics.
>>82669062
it may not have been a dead-accurate spider-man, but it definitely wasn't a buick skylark
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82657290
Stawp
Goddammit you guys, Spider-Man is stronger than Cap, but in this movie he weighs like 90 pounds.
That tug of war thing wasn't Cap being stronger than Spidey, that was physics.
>>82659745
There wasn't a dramatic shift in weight, and that chopper had a 3,000kg cargo weight (6,600lbs)
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82687220
That's literally what it is. It used to be that his body metabolized solar radiation into kinetic force, but it was later retconned to be that his eyes are portals to a whole dimension of pure kinetic energy.
Punch beams from the punch dimension.
>>82659925
THANK YOU BASED RUSSOS
>>82699386
I've always wondered why no one brings this up more in comics.
Like, let's say you had a crane capable of lifting up to a ton trying to lift some guy who's attached to them by a rope. The cincher is that the guy has super strength and the required secondary powers, but he weighs like 200 bounds max.
Assuming that the guy's super strength allows him to exert more than a ton of force through his muscles, he could definitely break the crane if he was anchored to the ground. Otherwise he's just pulling himself up.
>>82693343
It's like that in the movies, too, though.
"Base, get me a line to the Colonel. I don't care what time it is, this one's waited long enough."
"Dude, Captain America needs my help. There's no better reason to get back in."
"I can't launch those carriers. Captain's orders."
"WOW, CAPTAIN AMERICA. I'm shaking your hand too long. WOW."
"Cap. Big fan, I'm Spider-Man."
This is a real-life folk hero who saved four hundred men single-handedly, wiped out the Nazi's secret SCIENCE! division, sacrificed himself to save America from incineration, and then came back seventy years later to save the world from total destruction twice *and* neo-nazi enslavement all in the space of like 5 years.
And Spider-Man does drop spaghetti and tell Cap he's a big fan as soon as he meets him, with no regard for the fact that Team Stark is supposed to be trying to intimidate Cap into surrendering. And he honestly answers Cap about where he's from without a second thought. The only people who are ever shown to not respect Cap are nazis and Hydra. And that one cop in Avengers, but only for like 5 seconds before immediately following Cap's orders.
>>82662397
He can stick to smooth glass...
>>82702351
Yeah, but Spidey has sticky feet.
In the movie though he's just a kid new to his powers and fighting so it's perfectly sensible that he gets thrown around like that by Cap.
I can't believe this thread is still happening
spidey has every advantage over cap, but still loses or stalemates every time
cap is a perfect soldier, no flaws
until recently he was the physical equal to wolverine, and then marvel changed their stats around so only wolverine gets to be the best at what he does
>>82704399
>so only wolverine gets to be the best at what he does
Being a fuckhuge weeb?
>>82704331
Once again, I want to see Spidey closer to his full potential during the events of Infinity war, preferably like this anon suggested here: >>82684775
have him go nuts after Thanos goes too far
