>Seth-Grahame Smith departs THE FLASH over "creative differences".
>James Wan reportedly considering dropping out of AQUAMAN due creative differences.
>Zack Snyder reportedly at odds with WB executives over JUSTICE LEAGUE, only wasn't dropped because firing the director one week before shooting and with BATMAN V SUPERMAN struggling with critics and box office would look disastrous.
>SHAZAM getting delayed.
>JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK is dead.
>CYBORG facing cancellation to become a supporting character in THE FLASH.
>SUICIDE SQUAD and THE BATMAN apparently the only saving graces.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/aquaman/rumor-aquaman-director-james-wan-may-be-next-in-line-to-depart-the-dc-a141135
Will it ever stop?
The DCEU is in crisis because it is too unstable. Instead of building a solid base, they just make too many turbulent moves. Justice League before most of the characters are set up? Filming Wonder Woman at the same time as Justice League? Hell, killing off Superman in the second film?
In fact, let's look at the most obvious problem, they really can't read their audience at all. Why did they try to push a Cyborg film when Teen Titans would have been a highly anticipated film? TT has had two really popular cartoons, and yet it's not on their radar cause "Not edgy enough"?
This is why they fail.
This whole god damn situation makes me so mother fucking angry.
I love these characters so much..why is WB and co so fucking clueless?
Give me some better posts tomorrow, /co/?
>>82337600
Of all the black characters to push, why Cyborg? I'll never understand that. He doesn't fit the Justice League at all. I'd rather they have just made Barry or Hal or whatever black instead of cramming in a character that simply doesn't belong.
Black Lightning would have been a more logical choice than Cyborg too. He has the makings of an A-lister. Cyborg? What horrible fuck up of a corporate meeting spawned that idea?
>>82337619
>I love these characters so much..why is WB and co so fucking clueless?
Because DC has to sell WB on the characters before WB tries to sell them to the audience.
And in order to make WB bite DC needs to make ridiculous pitches and decisions.
"No, wee... you need Cyborg because there has to be a black man in the Justice League!"
"What about John Stewart?"
"No no no... Hal is GL. Sure, 10x as many people know John as GL... but Hal is who we're making GL."
They just announced GLC was gonna be a ensemble piece with Hal, John and Kyle.
John's gonna be GL in JLA. Cyborg's film isn't going to be made.
>>82337619
I'm right there with you, friend.
I fucking hate this. I love DC and its characters so much, but this is what we get?
It really isn't fair. We deserved better. The source material deserved better.
>>82337496
Even when this came out, I knew they were full of shit.
>>82337748
>10x
>>82337753
>>82337619
I'm not even angry any more. Just upset.
This must be how my parents feel about me. Huh.
>>82337856
Holy shit man that's a fucking depressing screwed up way to put it.I know where you're coming from.
>>82337619
>>82337753
JUST BLOW IT ALL UP
I'D RATHER HAVE NO DC FILMS FOR A WHILE THAN HAVE DC FILMS EVERYONE HATES
>>82337726
Because Cyborg is part of the popular Teen Titans cartoon.
>>82337600
Please stop pushing this "setting up" bullshit. Many ensemble films just needed one film to do such a thing. The real problem was putting Snyder at the helm.
>>82337856
>This must be how my parents feel about me. Huh.
Man, I know the feeling.
>>82337887
The worst thing is, this is going to screw up the perception of these characters to the mainstream public.
>>82337196
It was in crisis the moment they thought they had to play catch up to Marvel which was the minute they announce all of the movies and changed Supes 2 into BvS
>>82337619
Let's be honest, DC was always fucking clueless.
How many stories just revolve around shock deaths? How many stories are written by guys who just like Batman and hate every other hero? How many times do you get really stupid decisions like evil Cassandra Cain? I mean, fuck, most of the people in the world think there is only one Robin and that his name is fucking Robin. Even more think that Aquaman just talks to fish.
And the kill freely attitude has already killed off Pa Kent, Jimmy Olsen, Mercy Graves, one of the Robins, and Superman in two films already. Some stable DC characters are dead, and the DCCU hasn't even started yet.
DC is too turbulent for its own good.
>>82337856
that's exactly how I felt about BvS so much potential ruined. I honestly didn't feel angry just disappointed, more than I thought was possible
>>82337948
Nah, the reason everyone piles on them (apart from technical filmmaking issues) is because of perceptions. Audiences and critics expect Superman and Batman to be a certain way and they're not wrong. They're safe, though WB isn't.
>>82337619
I'm almost emotionless to it all now. I keep getting disappointed with things I'm excited for, and now it's like that nerve's been cut entirely.
>MCU (specifically Thor 1 and 2, Ultron, IM2 and 3, and the fact that of all the stories to tell, Cap 3 is Civil War)
>Godzilla (2014)
>Ratchet And Clank
>DCEU
>Transformers
I just can't get excited anymore. It's always disappointing.
>>82338007
If we're talking the comics, then Marvel is just as retarded.
>>82338007
I don't think Johns and any other comic people have any real say here, unlike the TV shows.
They're basically yes-men to Snyder.
>>82338042
But MoS and BvS were both legitimately terrible movies.
>>82338060
>>Godzilla (2014)
This movie was good though.
>>82338094
That's what I meant by "filmmaking issues".
>SOURCES at WB tell ME....
>I'M told...
Cool story, compadre. Shittier source as well.
>>82338119
Oh, in that case I agree.
>>82338064
Marvel at least has a timeline that makes reasonable sense. Half the time, I don't know how the DC's stuff is laid out.
Yes, both companies have done some pretty major shit, but I feel like DC is a lot messier than Marvel.
>>82338148
Marvel Studios isn't Marvel Comics
WB isn't DC
>>82338148
Doesn't Marvel's timeline make less sense the more you think about it?
>>82338127
It doesn't matter. DC/WB have been losing the public relations war ever since Green Lantern. Of course they wouldn't get so much heat if they put out better movies.
>>82337988
They were playing catch-up since Green Lantern.
>>82338148
>Marvel at least has a timeline that makes reasonable sense.
Are you fucking dense?
In what world is Marvel's timeline more consistent than DC's? Retcons and sliding timelines are NOT better than reboots.
DC fucked up tremendously with the movies, but their Comics are miles above Marvel's in term of in-universe consistency.
>>82338094
>This movie was good though.
It seriously wasn't.
>Every time Godzilla or the MUTOs show up, they just squander everything for some buildup with absolutely no payoff ("Let them fight" felt like a big middle finger on the screen)
>They decide to kill off the only interesting character half way through the movie
>Cop out the movie's focus to a piece of wood with no personality who is just magically good at Godzilla missions
>That awkward-as-fuck celebration at the end
>Ken Watanabe doing nothing but staring at things and saying random lines every once in a while
>>82338250
I liked it.
>source cited by devin faraci
Wew Lad, we have truly become /tv/
>>82338312
Faraci ended up being right about the BvS reviews.
Sadly both him and McWeeny were right.
>>82338250
you forgot
>So dark you literally can't see shit
Movie must have been pitch fucking black if you watched it in 3D
>>82338250
>trailer shows Cranston flipping out
>ultrahyped
>turns out he's not even talking about Godzila and dies before he shows up
It was alright in the end, but they seriously wasted Cranston and Godzilla 98 was a better-constructed kaiju movie even if it took the god out of Godzilla.
I hope Edwards learned from this though and he's better than Snyder easily so I'm still moderately hyped for the sequel.
>>82338387
>Godzilla 98 was a better-constructed kaiju movie even if it took the god out of Godzilla.
Hank Azaria was the bomb
>>82338347
So was most of /co/, this doesn't change the fact that his brand of """journalism""" is shit and should mostly be ignored
>>82337726
Cyborg is a Geoff Johns pet like Hal, Barry, Shazam and the JSA.
>>82338347
Didn't Faraci actually backtracked in that tho? Doesn't sound to reliable to me senpai.
>>82338353
It was literally darker than the Man of Steel climax. Didn't help that all of the monsters were mostly grey-black. My head hurt a bit in the theater.
Ghidorah,Rodan, etc. better have more color.
>JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK is dead.
>>82338210
But then why did they throw GL into the trash and try once again at making a CU?
>>82337619
>liking Aquaman
Ha.
WB really needs someone in charge of DC films only. The MCU would probably be fucked up too if they had to answer directly to a bunch of Disney suits that hate comics.
>the source is Devin Faraci
C'mon son..
>>82338507
Man of Steel underperformed but didn't flop.
>>82337196
OP is a faggot who started this thread just to get new additions to his "laughing Chris Evans" folder
How is this shit not banned yet?
>>82338459
Who started this meme? Johns is a continuity wanking nut. He just rezzed the entire original Justice League pre52. And he immediately sidelines Martian Manhunter for Cyborg? Who believes this? Why do they believe this?
>>82338513
lol, what?
Marvel films answer to people who at least seem to know the comics.
How is it not clear the Warner people not only don't know the comics, but actively dislike them too?
>>82338539
That should be
GL flopped, while MoS and BvS didn't.
Though they didn't perform as well as WB wanted, that's still better than flopping.
>>82337196
>Seth-Grahame Smith departs THE FLASH over "creative differences".
Good.
>James Wan reportedly considering dropping out of AQUAMAN due creative differences.
Terrible. When Wan opened with a Lovecraft quote I was 100% on board with him for Aquaman.
>Zack Snyder reportedly at odds with WB executives over JUSTICE LEAGUE, only wasn't dropped because firing the director one week before shooting and with BATMAN V SUPERMAN struggling with critics and box office would look disastrous.
Good. Maybe they'll finally wrestle him out of there.
>SHAZAM getting delayed.
I mean, it's already in 2019 and a New Line movie instead of DC, so it doesn't affect me.
>JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK is dead.
As expected with 90% of projects involved with GDT.
>CYBORG facing cancellation to become a supporting character in THE FLASH.
Terrible news. Ray Fisher seems so hyped to play the role.
>SUICIDE SQUAD and THE BATMAN apparently the only saving graces.
SS looks good, but Batman is stacked af. Leto, Simmons, Irons, Affleck, maybe even DaFoe- nothing short of armageddon is gonna break it.
>>82338539
If Man of Steel under performed, so did Batman Begins.
Any new Superman movie would have an uphill climb considering how hated Superman Returns was and how it poisoned the character cinematic ally, not to mention that as a comic book, Superman was not as popular as Batman either.
Man of Steel was controversial in some areas, and made furious some basement dwellers, but it was overall a success with a near $700M gross and majority liked by audience, even if divisive with critics.
>>82338578
Did you even attempt to read what that anon posted, you blathering retard?
>>82338545
>>82338627
>If Man of Steel under performed, so did Batman Begins.
...yes?
Underperforming doesn't mean flopping, they more than broke even
>>82337196
This is why I just jump back into the Timmverse and pretend none of this shit is happening. The last things in DC that made me happy were Blackest Night, Brave and the Bold, and GL:TAS... which is fucking sad. They don't have a strong creative head to create a foundation for all of these live action media creations. At least all the Bruce Timm animations had him and a few other guys at the helm making sure it all worked together.
>>82338634
Yeah, but I fucked it up a bit, you lonely unloved sack of horrible nasty shit.
>>82338660
the point is I dont think you can look at either as underperforming when both franchises were poison before them
>>82337196
The fire rises
>>82338060
>Transformers
Unless you mean you were hype in 2006, I'm not sure what you expect at this point, getting excited for more bayTFs is just self-flagellation
>tfw suicide squad will be a great success but everything surrounding it will fail and render it meaningless
>>82338094
>This movie was good though.
That movie was fucking awful.
All of the fights were cut out, the main character was stupid, personality-less, and invincible. Fuck.
>>82337196
>CRISIS
how apropo
>>82337196
I think the main difference between DC and marvel is that Marvel was its own company when it started the MCU. It made something awesome, THEN it was bought by Disney.
DC has been Warner Bros little bitch since the 90's.
>DCEU's pretty much dead in the water
>muh diversity character is becoming less and less relevant
>>82337726
Interesting character that deals with what is left of his humanity and coming to terms with becoming almost all machine. Maybe it can be reflected on how people use technology more than ever.
>>82338776
>Maybe it can be reflected on how people use technology more than ever.
That would require a shred of insight and creativity, though. Hollywood does neither.
Oh shit this is like Franktastic times at FOX again isnt it?
>>82338497
>Ghidorah,Rodan, etc. better have more color.
>Ghidorah's in the next movie
So fucking nice
>>82337726
Cyborg's more well known than Black Lightning. The Green Lantern ring user is maybe the most easily replaceable character and having one of them die and not come back makes for an interesting emotional possibility for a future movie. Black audience members may be more accepting of a white GL dying and being replaced in future movies by a black GL than the other way around.
>>82338776
Robocop did it already
He's already been rebooted, even
>>82338702
Audience standards no
WB bean counter standards yes
>>82338821
>Black audience members may be more accepting of a white GL dying and being replaced in future movies by a black GL than the other way around.
That is racist as fuck.
>>82337196
Abort DCEU, just let Cavill/Affleck run out their respective S and B runs for the next 6-10 years. Just put 100% focus into that and make some fucking memorable movies instead of trying to awkwardly cobble together a pile of dogshit.
Kill Snyder. Or fire him. Whatever. Dump him ASAP. The guy is shit tier and the Michael Bay of grimdark. MORE EDGE. MORE. IT FEEDS MY SOUL.
Restart DCEU attempt by leading with Batman first, then Supes, then a female Shazam. Add in Lantern, Flash, and a lady Aquawoman. Abort WW, she's a terrible character that's impossible to right a decent story for and has only been shoehorned in because of her boobs. Dump her like the plague.
>>82338883
yeah
>>82337619
Thanks for summing up my opinions there, friend. Except I decided years ago to stop having any expectations for DC's movie department. It's better that way. There's still great comics to read without convincing yourself they're gonna get the adaptations they deserve.
>Devin Faraci at it again
Is there a more amoral man in the film journalist industry? The specific amount of attention he pays to adding vitriol to the capeshit must imply some deep held resentment towards the genre
>>82338821
Or they could keep all Green lanterns and simply send the ones they don't need for a particular movie to do GL corps stuff on the other side of the galaxy.
>>82337726
I've never got why they don't just go with J'onn, considering he's been more or less black for forever
>>82338776
Isn't that just Robocop?
>>82337600
>Why did they try to push a Cyborg film when Teen Titans would have been a highly anticipated film? TT has had two really popular cartoons, and yet it's not on their radar cause "Not edgy enough"?
No one was clamoring for a Thor or Iron Man movie. They just fucking executed.
Iron Man, in retrospect, seems like a slam dunk. But I still don't know how they had the balls to attempt a Thor movie. With the fucking alien gods and all of it! How the fuck did they get away with this??
>>82338802
I can't believe I argued for that movie early in its production. I so wanted to have a good Fantastic 4 movie that I ignored all the signs until a couple months before release, when it was just too obvious. I'm sure there's some DC fans out there right now who are i the same place, doing their best to ignore the all the evidence it will all be shit, pretending it's all Marvel shills stirring up bad publicity. It's a cycle that's annoying for other people, but most painful on yourself.
>>82338898
>Abort WW, she's a terrible character that's impossible to right a decent story for and has only been shoehorned in because of her boobs
They can't abort WW without an immense backslash and that's something they don't need more of.I kinda wish they did because the actress doesn't seem like she can act
>>82337196
>>Zack Snyder reportedly at odds with WB executives over JUSTICE LEAGUE, only wasn't dropped because firing the director one week before shooting and with BATMAN V SUPERMAN struggling with critics and box office would look disastrous.
No, it wouldn't. At this point I think it would generate more hope in the DC properties.
>>82338883
Par for the course for black audiences.
>>82338547
Goyer probably nixed J'onn when he was still calling shots.
>>82338677
If only I could've won the billion dollar Powerball jackpot a few months back. Then I would bankrolled a Batman Beyond movie with Bruce Timm writing the script and having Kevin Conroy live act as old Bruce Wayne.
But instead 3 other faggots won. Oh well, too bad.
I also would have funded a Doctor Fate movie with Zatanna as supporting cast
>>82337196
I don't put much stock in company wars or reports of doom but it seems kind of obvious that they don't have a producer who can put all this stuff together. Do we even know who's producing these movies? Or is it a committee?
The MCU has Feige and WB's television division has Berlanti in charge. Even if some of their projects don't work as well as others, they've got a strong style, which you have to have to coordinate a style across a shared universe.
>>82338928
As long as it's post-Nolan DC.
>>82338898
>female shazam
Can shazam get something new and decent with him at the forefront before you turn him into a bitch.
>>82339012
Marvel wanted an Avenges movie from the get-go because they didnt have Spidey or Xmen, so thry decided to test the waters a bit with Iron Man, Hulk, and Ant-Man with a possibility of Thor.
Iron Man was a hit, Hulk was alright, and Ant Man got pushed back. Marvel was smart with setting it all up.
>>82339095
I would have been on board with all that. Hell I keep wanting to write a cape movie script just to see why it seems so hard to do well and considered Doctor Fate. With Dark on the backburner, that could sort of merge with a general DC magic title.
>>82339095
>Batman Beyond
Thank God you lost
>>82339012
Probably by not really doing anything particularly original with it (other than the concept). Just like GotG. and Ant-Man
I mean, don't get me wrong, Marvel movies are entertaining as fuck, but they're just paint-by-the-number blockbuster flicks. And they're very good at being just that.
>>82339096
A committee aka "brain trust", including WB execs, one of which is Snyder's wife, and Synder, and supposedly Johns
Look we all know whats going on right now, WB executives are furious and now theyre doing circles at the office trying to salvage this investment. I mean christ when you have both Batman and Superman doing MEH at the box office you know something is wrong. Maybe they cant fire Zack due to a loophole or something
>>82339096
Why don't they just put Berlanti in charge of features? Well, I guess he's too valuable to the TV division... and the Green Lantern movie bombed... OK, I guess I answered my question. But they need a producer like that for the movies instead of guys like Snyder and Nolan sharing bits of power.
This is exactly what Drew McWeeny said could happen if Batman v Superman failed. Without a Kevin Feige figure to plan shit out, WB had nothing to fall back on for their DC films.
http://www.hitfix.com/the-dartboard/batman-v-superman-could-dcs-entire-slate-be-in-jeopardy-fandemonium
>There is no hand guiding this entire thing. If those plans don't work out, then you don't know what to do.
>>82339239
They can't fire him because it makes them look bad.
Getting a co-director (who does the actual directing while Snyder does the visuals) also makes them look bad.
It's no-win.
>>82338898
>Abort WW, she's a terrible character that's impossible to right a decent story for and has only been shoehorned in because of her boobs. Dump her like the plague.
You've never read a WW comic in your life.
>>82339187
If you hate Beyond, you probably shouldn't be on /co/. No schwarbage allowed. Would be a fun way to do another Batman movie without just falling into the same damn story again.
>could have went the normal route and put out cape movies true to its comics
>instead we get grim dark, 2deep4u religous bullshit
Nobody would have cared you copied Marvel, we just want to see DC heros in a cohrent, precise world on film
>>82339280
Wasn't it rumored that Spielberg ghost-directed Poltergeist? Maybe they can do something similar and just suck up the rumors.
>>82337196
MCU has lost more people. Stuff like this happens all the time.Sometimes it works out.
>>82339051
>>Abort WW, she's a terrible character that's impossible to right a decent story for and has only been shoehorned in because of her boobs
>They can't abort WW without an immense backslash
Hahaha. That was the funniest part of the BvS reviews "Oh, but WW was fantastic! Best part of the movie!"
She had like 3 lines. Everyone clap harder for the woman hero.
>>82339310
There are thousand of stories that could be adapted without having to use Beyond only because it's cartoon you grew up with.
Now kill yourself.
>>82339280
Having a box office bomb is worse. I dont think the public gives a shit if the command changes
>>82338883
It's just a guess, but maybe it actually could get more people who haven't heard of GL before a Stewart movie to go see a later movie with a white person with a GL ring.
>>82338706
Not him but I enjoyed TF1 and was excited for RotF only to be disappointing, and they keep getting me with great looking trailers, they're probably going to get me again for TF5.
I don't expect them to be good, but i hope
Batman V. Super wasn't the best movie. In fact, it was the most meh-inducing flick I've ever watched. But what's with all these people thinking it's a commercial flop?
I mean, yeah, it didn't make back its budget on the opening weekend, and it only made about 1.3x its budget in domestic sales...but it made back more than triple its budget in total.
>>82339339
What about Beyond makes it bad to you? I just ask because it's one of the only titles that /co/ almost universally likes. Also I'm an old-shit so I wasn't a kid when it came out, so no nostalgia glasses.
>>82339312
>Nobody would have cared if you copied Marvel
They would get a ton of lip, but not straight-up venom like now. Everyone may talk shit but they shut up quickly if the movies are good.
Look at how many people were saying Ant-Man was doomed. Look at the people complaining about superhero fatigue even before Avengers 1 was out.
>>82339383
With today's insane corporate expectations, any movie that makes less profit than projected is considered a failure.
Avengers: Age of Ultron was basically considered a failure at Disney because it cost more than the original and made less.
>>82339383
someone show this guy the charts of the other movies making over a billion, way more than BvsS
>>82339381
>they're probably going to get me again for TF5
Don't, I want good Transformers movies one day and the longer these things keep making money the further off that future is.
>>82339383
More importantly it's a critical flop.
>>82337619
They should let the DCAU guys have a crack at it. They fucking nailed Justice League already.
Would be even better if they scraped all the Snyder/Nolan garbage first
>>82338898
>Kill Snyder. Or fire him. Whatever. Dump him ASAP. The guy is shit tier and the Michael Bay of grimdark. MORE EDGE. MORE. IT FEEDS MY SOUL.
the problem here is that he's making exactly the superman that WB wants.
in fact, he's probably making one of the less-bad versions of superman that wb would be willing to make.
Just a reminder Green Lantern was suppose to be the start of the DCEU
Yes, that piece of shit was suppose to start it all
Warner Bro's are so incompetent
>>82339383
Most people will flock to see a movie with Batman versus Superman, despite how stupidly it's presented. It's like why Transformers have an audience. Nostalgia and big epic fight shit rolled into one. If anything the fact that a lot of us chose not to see it is the anomaly since we're so damn critical of this stuff.
>>82339326
Who have they lost?
>>82337600
i feel that for the marvel films introducing the characters first worked but dc should have done what new 52 did and started with the league
the marvel way would have worked fine to though just go one way or the other not inbetween
>>82337196
Mfw the only reason I what to watch suicide squad is because I really want to see Will Smith as Deathshoot
>>82339417
They probs think Star Wars is a failure too because it didn't beat Avatar or even Titanic
"only 2 billion dollars? what a fucking bomb, bring me Abrams head"
>>82339437
>in fact, he's probably making one of the less-bad versions of superman that wb would be willing to make.
Yeah, when WB needed to get a Superman movie out by 2013, Snyder was the only director whose pitch was closest to regular Superman
Everyone else wanted to reinvent him even more.
>>82339422
I can't help it, they make such good trailers
>>82339191
>but they're just paint-by-the-number blockbuster flicks.
If it were that easy, everyone would be doing it right.
There's a lot to be said about hitting the mark 13 times in a row, where other studios struggle to make 3 or 4.
It ha very much to do with studio hierarchy, but stating that Marvel is paint-by-the-numbers only accounts for the not-so-great movies they put out like Thor 2 and Iron Man 2 and Ultron, which while not great, were never as bad or as off target as BvS, to be fair. At least they keep the characters charming or interesting for one scene.
They have consistent characterization, even if the final result was bland. It's not even about fun, it's charisma and assertiveness on putting their characters on screen and never skimping on having one good moment with them, even if it's just the suit-up sequence.
Shit like the party scene in AoU, or Thor putting the hammer in the coat-hanger in Thor 2 or Rhodey/Tony mowing down robots in IM2 go a long fucking way in an otherwise bland movie.
What was you favorite superman scene in BvS? He did absolutely nothing worth talking about or rejoice over after it was done. How come they have him in a trial scene where they spend 20 seconds looking at a jar of piss, but can't find time for Superman to say one fuckign word. Just one! They show him walking the hallways pissed, and when presented with the shit he obviously didn't even have anything to do, they have him look at the jar of piss and the explosion. Might as well have had the curb your enthusiasm song after that.
Where's simple characterizatin like pic-related?
Just get a character-driven direction and start adapting elseworlds. Zack Snyder's Justice League is only going to bring it further down. Start adapting elsewolrds instead, with Zack Snyder inside a box. Better yet, multiple boxes.
>>82337196
>only wasn't dropped because firing the director one week before shooting and with BATMAN V SUPERMAN struggling with critics and box office would look disastrous.
i get that it would have looked bad because only realizing how horrible the movie was after release makes them seem incompetent but ignoring how obviously poorly suited to the role the man is looks even worse
The only way the DCEU can fail is if they keep Zack "The Hack' Snyder to direct JL even after his other 2 movies being shit. I think their just waiting for Civil War to come out to see if they should put the final nail in the coffin for Snyder.
>>82339383
Because this was their Avengers. If the most bombastic trademarks they have to their disposal only make their investment back, what hopes are there for the less known ones?
>>82339443
When I went to see tthe 4th one, most everyone in the theater felt kinda dead, like no one was really enjoying it, or they figured "might as well kill some time today".
almost every Transformers screening story I hear ends with one Mexican kid clapping, but nobody joins and he awkwardly stops.
>>82339468
That's what George Miller was supposed to do with Justice League: Mortal
Then the Writers' Strike happened and it got canceled.
>>82338509
Fuck off faggot, a lot of people do.
>>82339383 here. So I decided to see the charts for the Avengers 2, sort of inspired by >>82339418 (I decided not to include Avengers 1, as that's been listed as one of the top grossing movies of all time already). Surprisingly, it had the same budget as Batman V. Superman. The profit margin is obviously very different, though.
>>82339440
I need to rewatch it to see what's so bad about it, because I don't remember finding it particularly offensive.
Then again, it was my introduction to GL and I only saw it once.
Not that I've had the best taste in movies. apparently, every movie I've liked in recent years besides deadpool has been raked over the coals more than I feel is needed.
the DCEU has shit foundation. Building a cinematic universe off MoS is like trying to build a house on pogo sticks.
>>82339524
This guy just sums up the point of the thread.
>>82339579
the only thing I really remember about it is how this was a movie about a guy with a magic space ring who goes to space and yadda yadda and the thing that broke my suspension of disbelief was that the love interest ex-boyfriend was some super creepy lookin dude
>>82339579
It was bland
Swolehead was more sympathetic than Hal and didn't deserve the shit he went through
CGI costume looked like green bacon
Parallax and Yellow Lanterns blown in the first movie
Earth setting was boring compared to space and he's hardly on Oa
>>82339557
a lot of hipsters
>look at me! I like a less popular hero!I am so better than THOSE casuals
>>82339472
Don't you mean you want Deadshot as Will Smith?
>>82339665
>Starts with an badly done infodump with a voiceover/still image of Abin Sur
>then show him in action anyway
>>82339683
I dont like when faggots race change characters, but Deadshot is my favorite DC villain, so i'll give it a chance. He better have his fucking mask for more than just 2 minutes.
>>82337196
oh look more rumors and misinformation
getting all those critics ready to completely destroy those movies when they finally come out because of the unwritten rule that if a movie has a troubled production it must be shitted on regardless of how it turns out
Jesus Christ Disney, what more will it take?
>>82339674
you dont have to be a hipster to like an obscure thing if you did nothing would ever become mainstream
also dident brave and the bold make aquaman popular as fuck
>>82337600
Because ocean 11 needed eleven movies to set up all the characters.
The problem was that they double down on Snyder who it clearly does not understand comics. He looks at them for face value and didn't actually take the time to understand them.
Which is why we end up with DRK and Death of Superman at the last act with none of the story elements that made these memorable.
>>82339598
Zack Snyder is essentially making these weird, sorta meta superhero movies like Watchmen, pointing out what most people have been saying about superheroes, them being modern Greek myths and all that crap, and trying to act clever by addressing these similarities with the exact characters that people have used as the basis for these essays and analyses. It just comes off more as pretentious fanfiction, basically.
Zack Snyder is if Michael Bay tried to be Alejandro Inarritu
>>82339745
Ant-Man came out fine.
The sad thing is, the actors are actually trying. Snyder failed you before with Watchmen, why the fuck are your letting him do anything bigger!? Not since 2006, a decade ago, has his movies ever been liked by fans and critics. Even then, 300 wasn't that well regarded.
all you had to do is hire Tim and Dini for these movies CJ.
>>82339567
Yup, Avengers AoU was very mediocre yet it made 600mil more than BvsS
How the hell do you justify that? The movie had Batman AND Superman AND Wonder Woman, everyone knows those heroes. Such utter failures.
You know what would have been WAY better? Batman AND Superman: the movie
Imagine a movie based, not on a fight, but a partnership that's never been seen before on the big screen
There are already so many books and tv shows that have Batman and Superman working together to fight crime
Why couldn't they have thought of that instead? Fuck WB producers and Execs for not knowing better
Batman could be doing all the spy detective work while Superman is out punching bad guys and saving cats from trees.
Batman could even be like Superman's Alfred. By his side, in his ear, training a new hero how to be a hero for humanity and why it means so much to so many people to have Superman in world to look up to and aspire to.
then wonder woman shows up or aquaman or some shit and the movie gets even better or whatever
As someone who hasn't seen a superhero movie since SM3, its fascinating watching all this from an outside perspective.
>>82339142
isn't there a bunch of shazams
>>82339745
Fury Road had a troubled production. became the most critically aclaimed movie last year. and that was from WB
>>82339774
>>82337937
You guys always say this but it really doesn't seem to be the case. If you need these characters to be interesting enough to carry a solo film after the ensemble film than they better all have a good chunk devoted to them, or else they end up like Hawkeye in the marvel movies who know one knows shit about, except he has a family I guess.
>>82339674
Eh anyone who bothers to read a comic. Yep, totally hipster there.
>>82339731
I'm just hoping for more than a couple of minutes of screen time that shit looks so Harley and joker centered the is not even funu
>>82339326
Generally they lose people between movies though. One director makes a movie that doesn't quite work, and they decide to go a different direction for the sequel. This sort of thing happened with Thor 2 and Ant-Man, but that's about it. And that wasn't until Phase 2.
Batman v Superman was way more interesting than any of the current crop of comic book movies though. It's just that Snyder clearly isn't interested in giving the fans what they want. I'm sure WB could hire some journeyman to come in and do a by the number JL movie that hits all the required beats, but I'd rather see what Snyder has in store.
>>82337748
>"No no no... Hal is GL. Sure, 10x as many people know John as GL... but Hal is who we're making GL."
We all know it wasn't WB's call on that, it was most likely Geoff Johns stroking himself off to his Hal pillow
>>82339801
You know what's odd? Zack Snyder (the same guy who made that badass Dawn of the Dead remake) is compared to Directors like Michael Bay and joel schumacher nowadays. Why did he turn into complete shit? What the fuck is his problem?
>>82339825
It's not that Batman v. Superman is an inherently bad idea (although it sort of is, given how OP Superman is). It's that 1) It was written and directed by Zach Snyder, and 2) It was a sequel to a movie written and directed by Zach Snyder, and had to be consistent with what came before.
>>82339731
It's not really a race change this time, it's just Will Smith is a huge fucking star
>>82339142
to be fair hejust got his powerset completely changed
>>82339827
Fuck you BocoSince SM3? Was the movie that bad that you quit watching superhero movies or what?
>>82339883
Oh he will. I mean him fucking Harley will take more than a couple of minutes.
>>82339889
Is that your best excuse to justify that shitty movie?
>>82339280
wait why does having a co director look bad
>>82339949
Neither Man of Steel OR BvS are written by Snyder
>>82339889
I see that alot as a defense recently, but really what does it add? you still have alot of borrowed elements from other comic movies. the story, broken down, is just basically Avengers but replace aliens with Doomsday. and the "superman must face his consequences" doesnt resonate well when you have a clear focus on Batman that overshadows the whole movie
>>82338651
That's...a really appropriate switch
>>82339956
that raises a good point
is it really a race change if your only doing it because you think the actor would do really well in that roll rather then because your going out of your way to change the race.
>>82339983
>makes them look bad
If they KEEP Snyder, they'll look even more bad.
>>82339910
At this point its looking like DotD was beginner's luck.
>>82339968
A mixture of that and laziness, yes.
Look Im all for doing something different and Im not going to say the Marvel formula is the only way to do things, but who here thinks they should have had solo installments BEFORE having characters meet up in a clusterfuck?
>>82340016
Will Smith could have played Superman & people would have loved it
>>82340057
Don't push it.
>>82340017
indeed i think i mentioned this earlier in the thread myself
>>82339516
>think anon is screwing around
>it's rule
Shit, the Flash's director just up and left?
>>82339910
If Snyder's last film was Watchmen how would he be viewed today?
Squid complaints and all, his reputation was still pretty good until Sucker Punch.
After Dawn of the Dead and 300 he was the shit, now he's just shit. It's sad.
>>82340057he didhypercrisis?
>>82340006
It's only the same as The Avengers if you describe the plot so vaguely as to be meaningless. "Superheroes fight threat" is about all they have in common.
>>82340056
WB isn't confident enough of their movies outside of Batman & Supes to do well
WW movies & co were suppose to ride on BvS's success, but we all know how that turned out
>>82340056
Um, yeah. Thats one of the major problems with WB's approach. That and thinking a character's name will be enough for make up for the quality of the story or director.
>>82340057
>Will Smith could have played Superman & people would have loved it
We already had that though. Hancock.
>>82339432
Bruce Timm admitted before that they had to lower the power levels of heroes like Superman and Martian Manhunter so that they didn't defeat enemies too quickly and they could actually be in danger.
Warner Bros is literally doing the exact opposite. They're just making everyone stronger. Snyder is literally trying his hardest to make them into "gods" with all of his religious symbolism and shit. Not saying that it's bad for them to be powerful but that shouldn't be the main thing to focus on about them. Fuck, I hate how clueless they are.
>>82337196
>DCEU IN CRISIS
>CRISIS
you're one dumb motherfucker
There's no bad news anywhere in there. Flash director directs nothing but shit. James wan can fuck off. His movies aren't that great eithe he's not hot shit or anything.
Snyder is based as always.
Fuck Cyborg, Static shock movie when?
And Batman is always great
>>82340082
Supes is an alien, he can be Black, the same goes for Goku funny enough when people bitched he was White
>>82337887
>Tfw there will never be a "Mad Stan Blows the DCEU Up" film resulting in a total reboot
MEANWHILE AT DC
>>82339910
i dunno, i was fair and tried to give a guy a chance. The Dawn of the Dead remake wasnt terrible, 300 is fun. I went to Sucker Punch at the theater for god's sake. looking at his credits, and not the actual quality of the movies, he has a dream career.
He's not necessarily Michael Bay, but he's a blockbuster director with so much pretentiousness. And if he was like Inarritu, and made at least one good film to excuse the pretensions, Id be fine. but after BvS, Im just done. I didnt even hate BvS, but thats when I stopped getting the idea that he might git gud
>>82339910
Joel Schumacher's not even a bad director. He gets too much heat for his Batman movies, which had dumb decisions sure but he's made plenty more movies.
>>82340113
Here's your (you)
let's continue the thread
>>82340057
Will Smith as Val-Zod when?
>>82340088
Snyder was still loved by Fanboys after Watchmen
Sucker Punch didn't really change much, it was kinda seen as "oh he wanted to do his weird little pet project but it didn't work out oh well"
Man of Steel is where he started to draw fanboy ire because of ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK
>>82337196
Suicide Squad has Joker...Batman well that's self explanatory. Creative differences...hmm studio meddling or are the directors actually shit? Cyborg in Flash works better than him getting his own movie anyway. I actually would like to see the rest of the movies though.
They should step back and just wait, or tone it down a bit with a smaller movie that doesn't NEED to make big Avenger bucks to be suscesful, it worked for Fox with Deadpool. What they've been doing for a long time now is pay catch up with MCU, and it is severely hurting the quality of the movies they are making.
>>82338189
At least there's a timeline you can think about.
>>82340090
>>82340104
lol
>>82340006
Snyder's film is actual interesting to look at for one. Also he's committed to exploring notions of power, paranoia, and vengeance. It's way more of a mood piece than any comic book movie released in this decade.
>>82340142
Said dumb decisions weren't even his, by the way.
Poor guy.
>>82339567
>>82339383
For direct comparison. Similar idea, similar concepts (unnecessary dream sequences, needless foreshadowing of future movies, wanton mass destruction), massively different budget returns
So how long before we hear hair pulling, severe behind he scenes drama like Trank had? Because that shit was documentary worthy
>>82340172
Even the bat nipples, crotch and butt shots?
>>82340093
I think theres more to it. Avengers was about guys who dont really like eachother, they get played by the villian, who has some plan thats kinda vague, the villian has either aliens or Doomsday to destroy the city, the heroes unite over a common goal (Avengers, Coulson, BvS, "MARTHA!")
>>82338060
Godzilla wasn't that bad, and Civil War is Civil War in name only, it's far off from the retardation of the comic of the same name. Other than that, I agree. It seems like a lot of shit with potential turned out to be garbage recently.
>>82340152
>Snyder was still loved by Fanboys after Watchmen
My issue with Watchmen is Zack Snyder may have directed it, but he didn't really DO anything with it other than make it absolutely loyal to the comic. Shot-for-shot, scene-for-scene, line-for-line, with only the most minor of changes.Plus cutting the squid in favor of a Dr. Manhattan Bomb, but if we're being honest with ourselves that really makes more sense.
Any success Watchmen has should be laid at the feet of Alan Moore, not Zack Snyder.
>>82340130
>Zack Snyder inside DC
"The bad reviews were part of the plan! I love that this movie is causing so much debate. When has a Marvel movie ever caused this much debate? Let's fuck these characters up even more and more!"
>>82337196
Their biggest mistake was snubbing their tv successes.
They have a built-in audience with a lot of goodwill that they established with their tv shows. THAT was their MCU phase 1. They could have trailblazed and really aligned their tv and movie universes together. Can you imagine Agents of Shield actually having Robert Downy guest star? Stuff like that.
Instead they not only ignore the only currently successful media product they've created, but actively forbid the use of some characters for fear of "confusing" viewers while schizophrenically doing things like casting a Mexican flash.
I don't understand how any of these people are still employed.
>>82338898
Your actual suggestions for movies are total shit/no taste tier but you are right that Cavil and Affleck weren't the problem. Snyder, Goyer should be banished. Let Affleck, Geoff Johns and Terrio do everything. No joke would save everyone alot of grief.
>>82340160
Deadpool was only a success because Fox didn't give a fuck, they wanted it to be R rated & Fox were like "whatever"
This is one IP where Marvel would have done a worse job because they would 100% make it PG-13
>>82340130
>DC
>Dumpster Conflagration
>>82337856
C'mon Anon, cheer up.
Remember, unlike the Justice League movie, you're not being directed by Zack Synder, so you always have the chance to improve yourself.
>>82340210
Well, okay, maybe those.
But that was probably after WB mandated that it be a glorified toy commercial.
I guess we should be thankful they aren't still doing THAT.
>>82340120
Krypton's red sun basically ensures that no one would be black. Though we don't know the full intricacies, but the conditions for black skin simply weren't met on their planet. Except in that uh, alternate earth I guess.
>>82340174
The image did not need to be this big. Better version
Ever get the feeling WB just has unreasonable contempt for the material their working with? Like they hate the fact that comics have canon and they refuse to read anything other than cliffnotes on what makes characters tick. Because lets face facts people: Marvel made Guardians and Ant Man work and earned a shitton.
>>82340221
>but if we're being honest with ourselves that really makes more sense
I respectfully disagree.
>>82340174
Not a fair comparison, is it? 23 weeks vs 5 weeks?
Anyway, AoU was considered a disappointment at Disney too. And even before it came out Feige had chosen to pump CAPTAIN AMERICA 3 full of Avengers so it could compete with BvS.
The difference I guess is that Feige has enough control/confidence that he's able to do these moves without panicking everybody. I don't know how well CIVIL WAR will do but it is getting better reviews than AoU and it does set up the Black Panther and Spider-Man movies successfully. Again, I don't think DC has someone steering the ship quite in that way.
>>82340152
>oh he wanted to do his weird little pet project but it didn't work out oh well
its weird how calm people were about that movies fate
i mean it was sensible because it was exactly what you said but its still odd
>>82340262
But there are black Kryptonians on Vathlo Island or something.
>>82340232
>Mexican
Hes just Jewish
Also excuse me but I dont want green Batman, Felishitty or Daniel Panabaker anywhere near a cinematic universe
They gave Justice League to this fucking retard? He clearly knows nothing about comics and just pulls this shit out of his ass. This is the fucking guy the retards over at Warner Bros gave Superman. BvS, and Justice League to. This fucking talentless hack of a director will be directing perhaps the biggest film in WB history, and it will be awful. If WB had the balls, they'd fire this sad sack of shit before fucks up their universe even more.
https://youtu.be/m6vsBx5Pexk
>>82340171
problem is hes no good at exploring those themes
>TDKR
>Jonah Hex
>Green Lantern
>MoS
>BvS
Anyone still having a shred of hope for DC's movies is delusional. WB's been producing literally nothing but turd after turd after turd for years now. Don't except any gold to fall off that asshole any time soon.
>>82340171
I disagree. I think bringing up those ideas, but never tying them to the central conflict in a meaningful way, is just bad writing. I just think the movie never does anything with its commentary. its kinda just there, its interesting to listen to, I guess...but then you cut to Lex luthor being off his meds and saying some shit about anggels and demons
>>82340232
They shouldn't be bothering with a shared universe at all. This is the main problem. They're trying to compete with Marvel in that area and completely shooting themselves in the foot. Make every movie standalone. Explore as many genres as possible.
>>82340210
>not liking the crotch and butt shots
the nipples were stupid i will give you that
>>82339579
It just is.
Reynolds is miscast as Hal (he is better suited for Kyle or maybe even Guy).
They infodump the GL lore in voice over at the start of the movie.
They WASTE Kilogow, Toma Re and Sinestro.
The character arc they set Sinestro in makes no sense.
Parallax is utterly destroyed as an antagonist, and they decide to have Hal do it on his own, when the logical thing to do was GL teamwork (but they ran out of money by then).
>>82340211
That's the nature of team up movies, but The Avengers were at worst not good team players, they weren't trying to KILL each other.
>>82340145
Stay mad you know I'm right 100%
>>82340232
100% this.Are you me?
Snyder will be out after Civil War opens in America.
>>82340275
Well, Zack Snyder explicitly said reading the comic beforehand was "pointless" and told the actors not to do so, so...
>>82340285
Well, let me rephrase. It's more narratively "tight". Instead of having Ozymandius' plan revolve around making the world believe about the potential for some kind of alien invasion out of nowhere - which Ozy can never duplicate now that he's killed everyone involved - Ozy played on existing fears of Doctor Manhattan in the USSR and compounded the sense of betrayal on the part of Manhattan in the USA.
Basically the plan has less moving parts to it, which usually makes for a better plan.
>>82340275
I kind of get the opposite vibe. Marvel wants to make crowd pleasers and has a solid formula but most of it involves comedy action that's vaguely self-deprecating entirely because the villains and plots are so light you can't really take anything seriously. WB on the other hand is so obsessed with not copying Disney that they've modeled things after Nolan's Batman trilogy which doesn't really fit Justice League characters but definitely Batman. They are much more interested in deconstructing the characters and are overall much darker and more violent. It's hard to compare as basically BvS is DC's Iron Man 2 while Disney Marvel has like 20 movies under their belt. Anyway I prefer CW DC and Marvel Netflix so what do I know?
>>82340221
>>82340285
I disrespectfully disagree.
While a squid would make for a weird tonal change, using Dr. Manhattan as a patsy instead of a common enemy makes no sense.
It goes against the point that he leaves earth because he is bored and replaces it with him being a martyr instead.
Also, Rorschach being the hero and Ozymandias being that much of a villain and Nite Owl being Batman is fucking idiotic.
In fact, it's impressive how well Zack caught the images on screen yet still managed to produce a much less interesting story.
>>82337196
The problem is that the execs don't have any confidence in the DCEU because public opinion is overwhelmingly negative. Which sucks. I wish it would just progress as Snyder intended.
>>82340369
Perhaps they can retool SS, WW and JL to be standalone, despite having the same cast members.
Like comic miniseries.
>>82340275
The WB suits don't care. They honestly don't. DC is like the red-headed stepchild WB keeps around, but doesn't want to put effort into. So they choose a trendy guy who sounds like he kind of knows about comic books and let him build the universe with little oversight.
>>82340174
>>82340270
Careful friends, I got banned for posting the Paul Blart/BvS RT comparison without any accompanying text.
Some of the janitors might get upset that their favourite franchise is tanking.
>>82340337
It's a shame about how the crappy movie poisoned the Jonah Hex well. I'd give my left ball and my left Navy for a good mini-series on a premium network or somesuch.
>>82340221
>missing the entire point of the Watchmen finale
>>82340402
Snyder is the cowboy happily riding a bomb right now.
>>82340352
>>82340315
How does it never do anything with it's commentary? The turning point of the whole movie happens when Batman stops seeing Superman as an inhuman threat and sees him as a man like himself.
>>82340287
>23 weeks vs 5 weeks
That is true, actually. So let's take a look at how Avengers 2 did at the 5 week mark ($431,813,896)
Now if we look at BvS, we'd see it's at almost double that. So it's doing fairly well for the moment (unless it drops off massively)
>>82340313
This is all I need to see just to give up on DC movies. Yeah I'm sure SS and the solo Batman films will be great, but whats the point when He's already done a shit done of damage and will just destroy JL
>>82340402
Matt Damon should have been the Flash also seriously replace Goyer and Synder with Terrio and Affleck completely. I'm tired of seeing Goyder in all the credits.
>>82340056
They should started the way Marvel did, absolutely. They didn't because WB were absolutely desperate to get those avengerbux ASAP.
What they should have done is
>Find someone less shit than Snyder (I know this is only with the benefit of hindsight, but MoS was a massive red flag and they should have never let him direct BvS, let alone JL)
>Superman movie, done correctly. Make Superman at least attempt to stop Zod knocking down every building in sight instead of joining in on the fun.
>Superman & Batman movie, done correctly. I think the premise (Batman fighting Superman) could work in theory and it would be a good way to validate his spot in the JL. No fucking scenes where someone shows off every other JL member, WW has a small cameo at the very most.
>Wonder Woman movie
>Flash movie
And then the Justice League movie. Less popular heroes like Cyborg and Aquaman are finally shown off to get people excited instead of WB blowing their load during the shitty scene in BvS. Then those characters get their own solo movies afterwards.
Aquaman has such a bad public image that I don't think a pre-JL movie would do well in the box office, show him being cool in JL first and then people would maybe be excited to see him.
>>82340443
>The WB suits don't care. They honestly don't. DC is like the red-headed stepchild WB keeps around, but doesn't want to put effort into
See also: DC Nation.
>>82340322
Switching directors matters depending on WHEN you switch them. At the outset, there's no problem.
The farther in production you go, the more damaging a director change becomes.
Only 2 things can save this entire shitshow and its Suicide Squad and Bens Batman solo. Id hate to use the "it needs to be fun!" argument and I dont think everything needs to be light hearted whatever, but I cant sit through pretentious symbolic bullshit again
>>82340459
>>82340392
SEE >>82340388.
Don't get me wrong, I love the squid. But using Manhattan feels more narratively "tight" and means that Ozy's plan has less moving parts to it, which generally makes for a better plan.
>>82339910
That badass Dawn of the Dead remake completely removed the subtext and comentary from the Romero classic.
>>82340513
Let Ben direct everything? The end.
>Batman cameos in everything (make him Nick Fury just do it)
