so he knew that Bucky killed Stark's parents because of the interview with Zemo when he asked him about 1991, right? Why did he say that he'd known for a long time?
>>82321560
He knew since TWS, the Zola files showed on the computer included every hit Bucky made under the mind-control, including the Starks' murder.
The real question here is why didn't Black Widow say anything, she was also there when Cap found out.
>>82321586
Why did Widow suddenly develop morals when Panther was about to fight/kill Steve and Bucky when she knew exactly what team she was on? I think the writers didn't have a reason for her to side with Stark but just made her agree with him because he needed more people on his team.
>>82321686
Widow likes Steve in a platonic friend way, TWS expanded on that shen he said he notices a good side in her that even she denies, she did have a reason because the least Nat wants after being used as a hirman in her spy days is to go illegal again, but her friendship with Cap's gets in the way of that.
why was everyone on cap's team except SW such a massive jobber
why did Iron Man wait until the arc reactor was almost comprimised to fire his chest repulsor?why didn't he fire it when Steve was bashing his shit in at the end?
>>82321787
because they're all underdogs with no real superpowers, GI-ANTS and Wanda are the exception of course.
>>82321787
>jobber
Because they are bad?
>guy with metallic arm
>guy with wings
>guy with bow
Aside from her and Ant-Man, they can't do much damage.
>>82321818
He didn't want to kill Steve in any point of the movie, he was just angered at Bucky.
>>82321818
>didn't
Because at the end of the day, he wasn't trying to kill him.
>>82321818Because he doesn't want to kill Steve. Bucky, on the other hand...
>>82321836
I liked how SW had to step in every single time someone on Cap's side was about to have their shit pushed in at the airport
>>82321560
He knew because Sola informed him, so yeah, its even longer than you think.
>>82321860
>>82321870
>>82321866but he was firing hand repulsors at steve anyway, I assume at a lower output designed to incapacitate, why not just do the same thing there?
>>82321560
He knew that Howard Stark was killed by Hydra. He didn't know for a fact that Bucky had been the one to do it, but he's not so much of an idiot that he never considered the idea. He knew that there was a very real and significant possibility it was Bucky who did it.
Then you have to think, if he didn't know or at least didn't think it was Bucky who carried out the hit on Howard Stark, would Steve still have acted the same way and kept quiet to Tony? Because if Steve only kept the secret because he thought Bucky was involved, that might be even worse than if he kept the secret to save Tony the grief of knowing his parents were murdered.
>>82321686
Widow's whole conflict revolves around killing, her guilt and trying to start over.
Team Iron Man originally wanted to capture Team Cap.
Panther is our for blood.
>>82321818
Because he doesn't want to kill Steve, even if he is pissed at Bucky.
>>82321919
He was most definitely doing it to protect Bucky, which is what makes Stark's rampage surprisingly understandable.
>>82321918
The repulsors are "just" concussive force. They pack punch but don't melt through you.
>>82321884
Only Bucky and Hawkeye, and even then Hawkeye could have taken Widow he was just hestiating because they're pals.
Bucky was the real weakest link. He was of pretty much of no help during the airport fight and needed to be saved 3 times. It's not entirely his fault as he is a weapons user and had none of them during the fight but still.
>>82321918
unibeams are for hard desperation attacks with power directed straight from the arc reactor, dont think i ever saw a low powered unibeam
Wait wait, MCU Aunt May is played by MARISA TOMEI?!?!
God damn Marvel, you guys are really bent on turning May into a... whatever the aunt equivalent of a MILF is, aren't ya?
Zemo was incredible in the movie.
>>82321918
The unibeam is his strongest repulsor, usually used when he means to fuck shit up.
Even at a low setting, its unlikely he would risk using it on Cap.
>>82321919
I think Steve knew the whole time but had no idea just how brutal the hit was. He just figured Hydra had WS cut his brakes and he crashed, end of story.
Not really worth noting to Tony, because it wasn't a personal thing.
>>82322059
I disagree. His entire plan was stupid, he decided that he'd try to frame someone in hopes the team may be divided over what to do with them.did Zemo know how Cap and Bucky were pals because of the Hydra book?
>>82322042
Marisa Tomei is 51 dude. She's older than RDJ.
>>82321991
The worst part is, this could have been prevented by simply talking to Stark at any point within those two years about what had happened and the circumstances involved. Having it revealed to him with Bucky right there and realizing Steve kept that information from him for all this time was the anvil that broke the camels back.
>>82322041
I know it's pretty much his signature move in the comics, how often does he use it in the movies? I vaguely remember seeing it in IM1 but I can't remember exactly where.
>>82322042
Tony actually says that a few times, he talks about how hot aunt May is.
>>82322120
Yeah, Steve never knew the details, just that Bucky was behind it.
>>82322135
Everyone knows Captain America and Bucky were pals. He was part of an exhibit at the Smithsonian in TWS
>>82322135
Anyone that knows anything about the WS' real identity would know about Him and Cap
>>82322135
>improbable gambits that view everything as a disposable asset to be manipulated
>not a good Zemo
Pick one.
>>82322144
Seriously for two years Cap knew Tony's parents were assassinated instead of dying in car wreck and never mentioned it just because MUH BUCKY
>>82322188
well in that case, did he know that TWS was Bucky Barnes because of the Hydra book?
>>82322023
To be fair Bucky should be the weakest link in the Airport fight since most of his skill set involves murder
>>82322144
>>82322246
TBF, "Yeah, my bff killed your parents" is a shit conversation to have on any circumstance.
Zemo's genius was revealing it to him when Tony was at his lowest.
>>82322023
Why did Hawkeye even come out of retirement to aid cap? He had no idea what was even going on anyway, he just felt he owed him a debt.
>>82322280
Probably. But really all he'd need is a picture of the Winter Soldier to realize that looks like Cap's old bff Bucky Barnes.
>>82321787
What?GiAnt-Man kicked all kinds of ass. It basically took all of Team Iron Man working together to take him down
why is tony's new butler ai british
>>82322280
He was decoding the leaked SHIELD files, remember? He says as much when Jack Bauring that Hydra agent in his basement.
>you can do anything if you have expertise and patience
>luckily, I have both
>>82322023
To be fair, Bucky's skillset is Elite Assassin and he requires an arsenal.
He was severely handicaped in the Airport.
>>82322328not wanting to start company wars by mentioning DCbut that didn't stop anyone from recognizing Hunter Zolomon was Jay Garrick.
>>82322135
Cap and Bucky are known to Zemo as pals because there's a museum dedicated to them. He most likely knew Bucky and the Winter Soldier were the same after BW released the HYDRA files.
>>82322336
Even when he was giant he didn't really do much other than fuck around with war machine, though
>>82322345
Wasn't it
>I have experience... and patience. And with those, a man can do anything
I don't think that's exactly it either though. It was a good Zemo line regardless.
>>82322314
It's a shit conversation to have, but it's a conversation that needed to happen at some point.
>>82322314
Nah man Cap's totally in the wrong here. He should have told Tony 'hey man I found some info that says hydra arranged the murder of your parents'. It would have been a terrible conversation but the right thing to do.
>>82322368
he single-handedly held the whole team off when Steve and Bucky got to the plane, that was all he needed to do, he had no intention of killing them.
>>82322381
Yeah, something like that.
Bruhl was damn good. I think the character needed more screen-time(he basically disappears between the Manchurian Candidate activation sequence and the third act) but what we had was pretty well-done.
>>82322449
He was great. Understated, but completely competent. He never looked worried or afraid or not in control. He knew exactly what he wanted - had - to do and he put everything into achieving it.
>>82322314
What about "my bff was mindraped by HYDRA for years and used as a tool to murder your parents, but it's totally not his fault, they totally brainwashed the shit out of him. Maybe you can help me find him and use your super science and vast resources to cure him, that way HYDRA loses an asset, you get justice for your parents' murder and I get my friend back?"
>>82322387
The thing is, remember that line about Cap not having a dark side in AOU? This is it.
The way he held son to his lost past, including people like Bucky, Peggy and the old WW2 days, that is his one personal flaw.
>>82322368
It was never meant to be anything more than a distraction, and he took down Spider-Man with him, arguably Team Iron Man's most useful member. He kept all of Iron Man, War Machine, Spidey and Vision (for a while at least) occupied and that's all he needed to do.
>>82322223
So close to quints
>>82322418
>>82322500
oh no, I guess you're right
it did tie them all up pretty well
>>82322187
He didn't even know that, he just assumed it.
>>82322365
I remember /co/ raging on what a stupid plot point that was but either way Zemo's a smart man and had Hydra files with details on the winter solider
>>82322482
There's that point where Zemo is talking to Panther at the end and all I could think was.
>this is just a nice acting moment between Daniel Bruhl and Chadwick Boseman. No bombast or horseshitt, just letting these two guys act off each other for a little bit
It was so refreshing.
>>82322144
That's also part of why it hurt him so bad. Cap had been betraying him all this time.
>>82322506
Zemo is always doomed to fall at the final hurdle.
>>82322487
I know Cap is your husbando but explaining the situation 2 years ago when he learned about it would've been a lot better situation than Tony finding out from the video of his parents murder.
>>82322120
>Not really worth noting to Tony, because it wasn't a personal thing.
How is it not a personal thing that the two most important people in his life were murdered?
>>82322648
By "final hurdle," do you mean his thwarted suicide attempt?
>>82322666
Except that's exactly what I said?
>>82322780
my bad I thought you were being sarcastic
>>82322500
To be fair that was kind of silly. Iron Man War Machine and Vision can fly. They could have flown past him (and I mean far past him, out of punching range) and ignored him. Instead they act like the only way past him is running through his legs.
Didn't watch Winter Soldier, but I didn't like Bucky at all. He came off as a faggot who kept putting up unnecessary resistance. We see him admitting he feels at fault for his past actions, but he continues to fight tooth and nail when the authorities come or when Stark gets butthurt so it comes off rather jarring.
Enjoyed the film though overall despite the slow first half. Spiderman and Antman dominated the scenes they appeared in. I'm not completely familiar with Marvel lore so I didn't really see much in Zemo, but he wasn't so bad by the climactic reveal.
>>82322608the moment when it was revealed that the calls from his wife is actually recording broke me, I kinda felt bad for him
>>82322578
He knew, Zola told him Bucky was behind it.
I liked that the 'So was I' line was delivered with spite in the actual movie.
>>82322806
Speaking of, why didn't War Machine fire a rocket at the Quinjet the MOMENT the fight began to ensure Bucky and Cap had nowhere to run?
>>82322855
Being sad over your past actions doesn't mean you want to be executed for them. It was made fairly clear that Buck would be dead if Cap didn't save him, either due to Ross' hit squad or Panther.
>didn't watch Winter Soldier
This is a pretty direct sequel to TWS, you should give it a look.
>>82322880
I knew where that was going as soon as it happened the first time, but it still worked thanks to Bruhl's performance.
Did Spider-Man appear more in the movie after he said something like ''I can keep going- Nah I can't''?
>>82322666
Yes, but then you can't have this movie, and Steve does have flaws.
>>82321560
what did you guys think aboutHawkeye using his bow as a fighting stick? Are we gonna get Ronin someday?
>>82322895
>That shield doesn't belong to you! My father made that shield!
RDJ as Stark was great here.
>>82322955
final post-credits scene.
>>82322140
she's still hot as fuck
I would
>>82322165
Dude, Tony. Pepper not enough?
>>82321918
That's why they're called "repulsors" and not "killinators". They fire concussive blasts, they don't incinerate you.
>>82323037
She left him.
>>82323037
Definitely not OLD enough to his tastes.
>>82322891
Zola just said "accidents will happen" and showed a picture of Howard Stark. Bucky's involvement was inferred, not stated.
>>82323049
when was that ever implied? are you having trouble there anon?
>>82323063
Shit, why?
Other than 'we couldn't make a new contract with Gwyneth' of course.
>>82323037
Tony says they're on a break. He was too caught up in being Iron Man.
>>82323117
she didn't want him to be IM but he just couldn't stop
>>82322975
>>82322895
Yeah RDJ has redeemed himself after halfassing his way through AOU in my eyes. He was great in this, especially in the heavy/serious scenes.
Any comic book references in the movie?
>>82323161
Eh, good riddance. I didn't like the relationship that much. Tony should always be a playboy with on and off things as a sort of constant to his character amidst the growth he undergoes.
>>82323117
Stark talks to cap in CW about her wanting Tony to forget about being Iron Man for once, how he destroyed his armors in IM3 just to recreate them, the Iron Legion, and finally Ultron to make things into and even bigger mess.
He implies he's adicted to being Iron Man, and Pepper hates it.
>>82323117
It's better this way. Cougar May > Pepper Potts.
>>82323117
He didn't hold his promise about not obsessing over building suits/saving the world. One can also imagine the Ultron fiasco didn't do good things for their relationship. He's pretty mopy about it.
>>82323180
BP does tons of his iconic poses, they make the CW cover with IM's repulsord reflecting off Cap's shield, Sharon quotes the "No, You move" speech, and I'm sure there are more.
>>82323219
>Uncle Stark
>>82323180
The whole movie is a comic book reference. You mean specific Civil War parallels? They've taken a lot of scenes and plot points from the comic, but altered them for the better.
So how did you guys like it? Personally, I prefer BvS, as it's more grounded in reality.
>>82323180
black widow asked Bucky "don't you remeber me?" not sure if that references the WS movie in general or the fact that in the comics, she was one of the people who trained him when they were working for the Soviets
>>82323320
nice bait
>>82323288
*stank
>>82322042
Well, yeah. It doesn't exactly make much sense for the aunt of a 15-year-old to be in her 80s. Honestly, even Ultimate Spider-Man's (the comic, not the cartoon; I don't even know what she looks like there) portrayal of May was kind of pushing it with the already completely gray hair.
>Peter pointing out that cap's shield constantly breaks laws of physics right after Cap throws it into the air with nothing to bounce back off and it comes back to him
>>82322855
>Didn't watch Winter Soldier
But why
Didnt see the movie yet, someone spoiler be all the important shit.
>>82323180
Sharon Carter delivers a loosley based version of Cap's "No, you move" speech.
>>82323117
Because there's not more Iron Man only movies so aside from Rhodes his supporting cast can't be fit in. And they were tired of coming up with "Pepper isn't here because X" excuses.
She was in Avengers 1 because it was a novelty at the time.
>>82323617
War Machine dies
>>82323644
but muh rescue or whatever her forcefield-only suit was called
>>82322906
Wanda would have grabbed it.
>>82323617
There's a war.
It's very civil.
>>82323660
Only his legs and he learns to walk again.
>>82322906
It might have hit She-Hulk in the tits and killed her.
>>82323368
She had a run in with him during her Shield agent days where she used her body to shield his hit target and he just shot through her to kill him anyway. It was brought up in the WS.
That's probably what she's referencing.
Widow actually doesn't seem to care for Bucky at all. At the end of WS she told Steve not to chase him, and she repeatedly tells him not to get involved with him this movie and just let the military deal with him.
I like how there was no bad guy the good guys had to obligatory fight at the end when they realize it was a misunderstanding. This felt more like a drama about friends superpowers than an action film.
>>82323664
Yeah. The comics dropped that like a hot Potato once IM 3 was out and that was it except for Avenger films and they didn't have to pretend Pepper was important anymore.
>>82323660
>>82323682
Lame.
>>82323672
Holy shit.
Cap dies or they chickened out?
>>82322140
And somehow she looks younger than RDJ.
Something tells me Homecoming's conflict will focus more on Peter fighting the urge to dick his aunt.
>>82323728
oh yeah, I forgot about her belly scar
>>82323802
He dies on the inside
>>82323820
PETER IS NOT FOR SEXUAL EVEN IF IT'S /SS/
>>82323802
Nah he doesn't die. They do cryogenically freeze Bucky at the end though. Aka he won't be in the next movie.
>>82323820
I doubt she's snorted as much coke in her lifetime as RJD.
>>82323617Oddly enough there's not too much to spoil., most of it you already know or can guess. I mean that in a good way.
Someone post the "Spiderman vs Antman" italian spiderman gif
>>82323865
Just in time for Cap to die and Bucky to take up his mantle. Thereby soft resetting the Captain America movies.
>>82323905
japanese
Can someone explain to me why Bucky jobbed so fucking hard? He's supposed to be one of the world's greatest assassins, with the same level of powers as Cap and probably Black Panther, maybe stronger. And he was unstoppable in the last movie. What the fuck happened?
>>82324031
He's only lethal when he's brainwashed.
Without that, he's just a normal soldier with a metal arm.
What was the post credits scene?
>>82323923
They won't do that now. Evans is game for more films.
>>82324069
confirmation of more spiderman in the future, probably with doc strange
>>82324098
Really? That is good news. But where can they go after Infinite wars?
>>82324031
He's a guy with guilt fighting nonlethally against guys he knows are good guys. Also he's used to having extensive support and carrying a massive arsenal.
Now he's just a solider with a metal arm.
He wrecks face for awhile against the good guys when his WS programming is switched on, but without it he's not quite as dangerous.
>>82324098
He'll become Nomad while Falcon takes over and Bucky becomes the Ronin or something.He just reminds me too much of Jetstream Sam, come on.
>>82324031
Why is Bucky jobbing so hard? Probably because he was holding back this time in the movie while in TWS and in the portion where he got his brainwashing turned on, he fucking wrecked people because he was willing to push his limits.
>>82324137
Avengers VS X-Men?
>>82324031
>As strong as BP
nah senpai
BP has a literal god on his side
>>82324137
I'm thinking they'll either do Secret Wars or House of M, once they get FF and X Men back.
>>82324221
Fox will never give the rights back. The length which they went to retain the F4 rights is downright stupid
I hope that in one of the movies they reference that page where the Wakandans refuse to give the rest of the world the cure to cancer because they're afraid it'd be turned into a weapon
>>82324031
He's holding back.
>>82324118
Might be cool
>>82321686
Right from the start, she always felt conflicted. She agrees with the accords but also believes in Steve. Throughout the movie, she keeps trying to convince Steve, but yields in the end because if Steve strongly believes in something then it must have a grain of truth. They're bros like that.
Poor Sam will never ever be Cap's BFF no matter how hard he tries.
>>82321787
Falcon and Hawk only have their weapons. Bucky is not in his Winter Soldier state, has been on the run for years as well (he was cared well by HYDRA before: constant mind wipes, checks on his health and arm, etc).
>>82321560
in the end of TWS we see Nat giving Cap an envelope with all the secret files of the Winter Soldier, she even tells him that what is inside will not be pretty, so we can assume there is a huge list of targets the winter soldier eliminated over the years.
>>82324265
I would have thought the same about Sony and Spiderman, but now they're working with Disney instead of against them, and it will clearly pay off.
It'd make a lot more sense for Fox to allow Disney/Marvel to use the characters in exchange for a cut of the movies' profits.
>>82321919
>He knew that Howard Stark was killed by Hydra. He didn't know for a fact that Bucky had been the one to do it, but he's not so much of an idiot that he never considered the idea. He knew that there was a very real and significant possibility it was Bucky who did it.
This is what I understood too
I hated Captain in this. He just came off as a douchebag.
>>82322290
>To be fair Bucky should be the weakest link in the Airport fight since most of his skill set involves murder
I don't know why this made me laugh, but yeah I agree.
>>82322325
his debt was to wanda, not cap.
it was to pay quickslav back for saving his life.
>>82321560
So as someone who thought most of Spidey's lines in the airport scene were Whedon tier writing, are the rest of his lines any better?Yes, I know Spiderman is quippy, hence pointing out that it's Whedon quality of quips. Some were good, though.
>>82324541
Oh yeah I forgot about that, you're right.
>>82324622
Both Ironman and Caps were douchebags in this movie.
>>82322339
she's fucking irish
>>82324221
stupid as fuck
>>82324654
He and Tony work well together when Tony makes a house call to Aunt May's place.
>>82322961
it was a pretty cool development for him as a fighter
i just wanna see hawkdad as a gruff drill sergeant. he's good in the field but outmoded by all these new powers.
Damn, Steve's flaw is how he still holds on to his past life, which results to his biases on Peggy and Bucky.I like it
>>82322975
It's "You don't deserve that." I think. But yeah great line
I wanna know more WS, I liked the way when he "woke up", that is when he had his arm trapped in an hydraulic press and after he bumped his head on the helicopter window, he Bro'd up so quickly it was magicalDaddyhawk was GOAT, Fraction's Netflix Series when?
>>82323532
i think he was using the magnetic gauntlet from AOU where he could recall it from the ground.
Question: Were there some weird magnety things going on with Bucky's arm and Panther's suit? I might've misread the action but it looked like there was some repelling going on.
>>82323532
Wasn't a fan of that or the metallic arm line. Expected better of the Russos.
>>82324873
I think that has something to do with VibraniumIs Bucky's arm Vibranium?
>>82323990
>tfw the voice of Chinese Electric Batman is doing ANTS
>>82324661
Nah, Iron Man was trying to make the best of a bad situation.
Cap was just a huge douche.
>>82324871
I really like Bucky as well. What a sad character.
>>82324919
>smartass kid from the city who JUST started superheroing encounters a cyborg
>thinking he won't comment on it
expected better of anon
>>82324975
who turned Bucky into an anime?
>>82325021
Where am I saying I didn't expect that? He had some good battle dialogue, but most of it was bad. Raimi and Sony's were better than Marvels so far in the quip department.
Defensive spidey drones are worse than companywar shitposters.
Is there any sense to Bucky's codewords? Or are they supposed to invoke a feeling of mysterious Russian shit.
>>82324932
Don't think so. Only Vibranium that was ever in play was Cap's Shield, the stuff Ultron used to lift Sokovia, and Panther's suit.I hope Bucky gets a rocketto pawnch or a boo-yeah cannon, or at least a fucking grappling hook when he wakes up. Dude is in dire need of an upgrade.
>>82325010
>Treats Wanda like a baby when it wasn't even her fault for what happen at Logos.
>Only wants the accords because he feels he is guilty
>Ropes in a teenager into a fight with someone who he assumes is a trained assassin
>Been Steve's friend for so long, still cannot recognize that Steve doesn't lie when it comes to certain matters
Yeah no.
>>82324932It got unibeam'd off, so I don't think so.
>>82325063
it's clearly referencing asriel from undertale
>>82325094
They're supposed to be inconspicuous. The kind of stuff you could drop in a casual conversation without anybody paying it any mind.
>>82325129
What
>>82325092
he doesn't have drones retard, that's when Dr octopus takes his body
>>82325094
>rocketto pawnch
Bucky confirmed for Venom and Quiet's secret lovechild
>>82324975
JAS HOWLIN IN ZA SHADOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWS
>>82325108
>Been Steve's friend for so long, still cannot recognize that Steve doesn't lie when it comes to certain matters
What a good Steve was, am i right?
>>82325246
Steve omits the truth. He doesn't lie about the truth.
>>82322325
Why wouldn't he? He's smart enough to knkw Cap is based and has been around Stark enough to know he needs a swift kick in the teeth.
The real question is why did Widow, Vision and War Machine join Tony at all. Panther gets a pass since he was motivated by vengeancen
>>82325303
regulation, in the real world, makes sense.
widow joins to clear her conscience and go straight. doesn't stick
vision joins because he sees the moral calculus.
rhodey joins because he believes in institutions and duty.
>>82322147
He uses it in Iron Man 1 to blast Stane when Stane is about to kill a car full of people or some shit like that, basically even rookie Iron Man was more concerned with saving people than rookie Superman was
>>82325303
>Widow, Vision and War Machine
All those guys explain their respective rationales. In the same scene, even.
>>82322147
>>82325343
he also unibeams the extremis dude straight through the stomach in IM3
>>82325303
War Machine tells you why he joins during his physio therapy at the end of the movie. Were you paying attention?
Widow joined because for the same reason Tony did. To amend and attone for the things she did.
Vision joined because he was basically Jarvis aka Tony 2.0
Can anyone realistically justify Cap keeping Tony's parent's assassination a secret from him?
That was a douche move and Tony reacted accordingly imo.
>>82325391
> Were you paying attention?
I'm American faggot
Please hold.
>>82325416
probably was afraid Tony would chimp out like a retard over it
Oh wait
>>82325416
based russos for being fair to both sides of the conflict
>>82325416
Yeah, it was never relevant to the conversation and he never actually knew for sure. What good would it be for anyway?
Only worst case scenario would it prove to be a problem. Cap doesn't know he still has one movie where things go worst case scenario, much less that Zemo is involved.
>>82325416
Cap even tells you why he does it at the end of the movie. No, it is not justifiable.
>>82325416
Because he correctly figured that Bucky was the assassin. If it had been anybody else he would probably have opened his mouth ASAP after he woke up at the end of WInter Soldier.
>>82325462
yeah, what a faggot just like that pussy, Batman.
your parents are dead, GET OVER IT!
>>82325462
Tony going ballistic was a massive problem ONLY because of the current situation they were in and the source of his anger(Bucky) was right there. Cap didn't need to tell him it was Bucky who did it, he also didn't know that, but waiting for Tony to find out through some other source was a shitty call.
>>82325525
>Citing Batman as an healthy way of coping with parental lost
>>82325525
Granted, he did just see footage of Bucky strangling his mom after beating his father to death.
Why was Captain going to decapitate Tony with his shield? Like, WFT?
>>82325784
Wait. Didn't he aim for the chest plate himself? He was just holding it over Tony's head because that looks more dramatic, I don't think he ever intended to kill him.
>>82325094
>Is there any sense to Bucky's codewords? Or are they supposed to invoke a feeling of mysterious Russian shit.
>Classical conditioning theory involves learning a new behavior via the process of association. In simple terms two stimuli are linked together to produce a new learned response in a person or animal.
They're just words that were forced/hammered in him to trigger/stimulate the Winter Soldier.
>>82325989
He aimed for the chest plate only after Tony said that his father built the shield, before that the shield was over Tony's neck.
That scene was fucked up.
>>82325416
It can't be justified. Russos and Evans mention in interviews that in this movie, Cap shows a bit of selfishness. In other movies, we see him fulfilling his duty for the greater good. In this, he's like "Peggy's dead, I'm gonna be a lapdog again to some government--fuck that, I'm gonna save my bro this time."
His one weakness is his past life (AoU had a good scene showing his nightmare), and Bucky is the last remnant of that.
>>82326087
>He aimed for the chest plate only after Tony said that his father built the shield
Tony said that when Cap was walking away. The fight was already over and Cap had broken the arc reactor by then.
>>82326087
No, that line comes after Steve walks away victorious so he drops the shield on the floor.
Cap never aimed for his head, it was just a camera trick to make you think so and let the scene have more tension.
>>82326220
>>82326222
Oh, yeah. I feel better about it then.
>>82326087
Lies anon. Tony blubbered out the 'you don't deserve that' when Cap and Bucky were leaving.
>>82326087
But that's wrong. Tony says that after Cap's done hitting his chest place/reactor.
Tony blasts WS arm, Cap stops Tony by hitting his reactor with his shield, Tony's suit is ruined by this, Cap goes to Bucky to pick him up and leave, Tony then says "You don't deserve it, my father made that shield" and Cap responds by leaving the shield behind.
>>82326220
Tony really ought to cover up that reactor on his chest. He literally has a glowing weak spot right in the middle of his torso. Chest laser isn't worth it.
>>82326297
Bucky blasted himself, dude.
>>82326208
This, that's the whole point.
This version of CW is not black and white like the conflict in the comics.
Tony is both right in wanting revenge on Bucky, but wrong in wantng the Sokovia Accords turn the Avengers into weapons for the ONU.
Steve is both right in wanting the Avengers to remain autonomous, but wrong in wanting to spare his BFF from justice of his past crimes.
You can both hate and simpatize them bor different reasons, that's how the movie is supossed to play.
>>82326330
how does civil war the movie compare to civil war the comic?
does one do something particularly better than the other?
>>82326330
>but wrong in wantng the Sokovia Accords turn the Avengers into weapons for the ONU.
>Steve is both right in wanting the Avengers to remain autonomous
NO! NO! That's the right thing! ONU won't turn into a weapon and if the movies do that than the movies are going to treat it the wrong way. The Avengers need culpability. They need to be account for.
Fuck you, Hitler! Fuck you! Steve became Hitler!
>>82323905
here you are anon
>>82326387
It's less "edgy", has less violence and destuction porn than the comic.
IM was a straight up villain in the comic, here, you can actually simpatize with his actions.
Cap was more of a self-rightous blokehead in the comic, here he was a personal flaws a sa motivation in wanting to spare Bucky from IM's vengeance.
The secret identities play no part, registration's about superhumans not acting unless the goverments order them to.
I liked the movie more than the comic, wheter it impacts the universe mre is yet to be seen, I'd hope so, because Cap is a nomad now, the Avengers were disassembled, and the Accords ban super-vigilantes to take unregistered action.
>>82326458
The one calling the shots is Thunderbolt "Make the psycho soldier a hulk so he can kill my daughter's BF" Ross and they straight up confined Vision and Wanda just because they are "weapons of mass destrucion" instead of people in the movie.
I'd not sign for that shit either.
https://youtu.be/YyxhOE_fGSU?t=8m9s
i love this cast
>RDJ does wing chun
>chris hemsworth isn't even in the movie but would still win in a fight between all the actors
>evans defends mac and me
>>82322325
He feels he owes it to Wanda because her brother died for him.
>>82326567
So is this going to take the place of Avengers Disassembled now?
>>82326567
>Accords ban super-vigilantes to take unregistered action.
What does this mean for Daredevil?
>>82326698
He's just a street-level superhero so probably nothing.
>>82326698
It means the US gov is authorized to arrest him because he is a criminal acting against the Sokovia accords, as any enhanced being in the MCU would be from now on.
>>82326674
I'd think so, I don't think "dark reign" will take place like it did in the comics, but I can see "The Initiative" happening.
were the spidey clips tony showed ever posted online or anything? it could've made for neat ARG style marketing, but it sort of felt weird as is. like it wasn't even hinted at that (other than "we got a cat that swings" line) and just thrown at us almost expecting us to be familiar with this spider-man already.
>>82326698
Daredevil was already an outlaw, this doesn't change much unless he decides to surrender himself and register after his jail time.
>>82325371
Fucking Marvel where is my MVC4?
>>82326387
The movie doesn't go to the same ridiculous lengths as the comic to demonize Tony so it seems justified for Cap to try and kill him, because they aren't activity out to kill each other in the movie.
Tony and the overall conflict is handled better in the movie. I felt most of the characters were acting like literal babies in the comic and you just ended up disliking all of them - whereas in the movie you feel kind of bad for both Cap and Tony.
>>82326851
>expecting us to be familiar with this spider-man already.
Do you know anyone who isn't? This was 'Spiderman' as most people see him when they think of the character. They didn't need an introduction.
>>82326903
Source for the gif?
>>82327072
i'm talking about the specific clips themselves of spidey swinging around. they look like the found footage, 20 second long clip that would've attempted to go viral on the real life internets.
it was strange to see them thrown up so flippantly
Can someone explain how cap and bucky are able to hurt tony when his suit was able to withstand a tank shot in Iron Man 1? I loved the fight but this bothered me a little. Cap is apparently not super-human but he seems super-human in the movies.
>>82327244
mcu cap is superhuman, not peak human
guy can prevent a helicopter from taking off
bucky has a knock off super soldier formula and a cyborg arm
the two of them working in tandem can wreck shop on iron man in close quarters and no room to fly around
![Africa_satellite_orthographic[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/emKloHD.jpg "Africa satellite orthographic[1]")
>>82327108
there you go friend!
>>82327244
Iron Man was getting fucked because he was being repeatedly wailed on from both sides in close hand to hand combat, and MCU Cap is def super human.
Just wondering, do we get to see Peggy's kids or grandkids at her funeral?
>>82327361
great niece sharon
>>82327390
That's a given, but I mean Peggy's other family, since we know she has them. She got with Sousa after all.
>>82327244
Imagine you're in a big metal ball. Then the ball gets rolled down a hill. You're gonna get your shit wrecked just by the virtue of bouncing around inside that shit.
Similarly, Tony was getting rocked by Bucky's metal arm and Cap's shield, so it was doing some serious damage to his precious little head rattling around in his helmet.
I dunno, but speaking of the funeral, I got the biggest fucking grin on my face when I realize she was doing the River of Truth speech.
People talk shit about this, saying it's cheesy, it's advocating people to act like monsters because they think it's right, but I still get goosebumps reading this.
>>82326905
If they ever do I wonder if they'll put Winter Soldier in it. Maybe too similar to Bionic Commando though.
>>82327793
>No one looks in danger through the whole thing
>War machine falls from 200m high
sure
>>82322059
He was forgettable, like all the previous MCU villains. So much wasted potential with Bruhl...
>>82327793
C O M P A N Y W A R S
>>82327628
Better for her to do it than Cap, honestly.
>>82327860
Falls down and survives a fall which should kill him. It was obvious he survived because they wouldn't show it in the trailers.
>>82322365
Zolomon and Garrick looked different to the untrained eye, and presented themselves as completely different personality-wise.
Would you recognize a clean shaven, unmarked Charles Mason calling himself Bob Wright who goes around rescuing kittens and also wears a helmet and is going faster than the eye can see most of the time?
it should be a bannable offense to mention bvs in marvel threads and vice versa
company wars are so pointless
BASED MODS
>>82328141
It is, report it.
>>82324031
No weapons. Just the arm
There is ONE THING I didn't like about this movie (the second spoiler), but it's a really minor nitpickWhy didn't Scott just go small and run away after the airport scene? Does his Giant status have a limit that carriers over to being small?
Why didn't no-one make a big deal of the Ant-man suit when Scott was imprisoned? Hank should've been furious and Scott should've been worried about that tech falling into the wrong hands. You know what happened in his movie.
>>82325108
> Wanda
He put in the house because he know how big asset she would be with Cap and because she didn't want to sign.
Still his option was better than the prison option
> Accords
Yes and no.
The Accords fit really well into Tony
It was being 8 years, he knows something big is coming but he cannot just watch and see Earth and the Avengers be destroyed from the inside.
Also he is always thinking how the Accords are the soft option.
> Spidey
He told the kid to just stay back and web them all, and he also knows how strong Parker is.
>>82328288
Think he got knocked out. Was waiting for Spidey and him to talk while they were both down, which would have been awesome.
>>82328275
He still fucked up Cap's shit hard even without the gun and knife at the end of the last film.
Did anyone's theatre also go crazy when Giant-Man appeared?
Got the biggest cheer for mine.
>>82328458
i personally went nuts, but this is asia and at most we had a few gasps
>>82328458
I was the only person in my theater.
>>82328458
A couple of "Ohhhhh shit!"s but nothing major.
Everything Spider-Man said got a laugh though, even things that weren't jokes.
sorry if this is explained. just a lot happened in the movie.
after the airport scene, why does widow tell tony to remove his ego?
>>82328592
My interpretation is that Tony perceived her "betrayal", (ie letting Cap go) as a personal slight against him. As in, she let Cap go for no reason other than to hurt Tony and his cause.
He didn't consider that there may be more powerful motives in play.
>>82328633
that makes a lot of sense.
man...no one really had a good day in this movie.
except zemo
>>82328677
Not really
He wanted to kill himself, but BP stopped him
Speaking of BP, is Bucky going to be in Black Panther movie?
>>82328802
i dunno, but i hope he stays on ice long enough for that plot point to be relevant.
we're getting klawe for sure, possibly as the main villain? who was martin freeman playing?
>>82328802
I hope so, dude hasn't had ANYTHING go right in his life after he got shipped off to Europe.
>>82328928
Maybe he won't wake up during Black Panther, but his frozen body will be some sort of Maltese Falcon that kicks the plot off.
Alternately it's going to be a while before the BP solo film comes out so maybe it's a convenient excuse to explain why he doesn't do anything for the next year or so, compared to the two years since TWS where people were throwing all sorts of theories about him being a hobo.
>>82325330
>rhodey joins because he believes in institutions and duty.
Ironic give what his girlfriend wants to do in the comics and he would side with her over Tony, his best friend.
>mfw
>>82328458
Mine did. I even heard a guy yell ANTS somewhere, which made me laugh.
The second biggest laugh was when Falcon Redwings Iron Man in the face. They might as well have overlayed a big fat comic book font "BONK" on the screen.
Visionball and the "water" truck and the MIT Dean also got good chuckles.
My personal favourite moment was seeing Joe Russo with the Mario moustache looking like an idiot, though.
>>82328458
People came everywhere over Spidey and Ant-Man.
Tony Stark and Peter Parker intro scene got most laughs.
>>82329204
>>82329272
Falcon/Bucky got a lot of laughs here too
Has the full OST leaked anywhere yet?
>>82321560
So fucking what he killed Wanda's entire family.
>>82329164
subtle
>>82329466
Yeah, but he did leave a message saying it was him.
Also, it wasn't really him. He didn't blame the dudes who made Bucky's arm, he blamed/projected the blame into Bucky.
>>82322339
Yeah, weird considering the old AI was all American actor Paul Bettany.
>>82329379
Yeah, those two were funny together.
>>82328288
I think he fainted, he said last time he did it in a lap for a short time and it made him lightheaded. This time he was out in the open (uncontrolled environment) and held it (I presume) for a longer time
>>82329500
>he blamed/projected the blame into Bucky.
So....just like Wanda and Pietro did?
>And you know, Cap?
>Standing here
>I realize
>THAT YOU WERE JUST LIKE ME, TRYING TO MAKE HISTORY
>>82329629
I'm a bit lost. I'm saying it's the wrong thing to do, not that it's not understandable in any way.
I felt like both Cap and Tony were behaving understandably, despite being both in the wrong. Shit gets to you, especially after a long day.
>>82329643
Best MCU movie villain?
>That Black Panther
>That Spider-Man
Seriously, fuck Tobey and fuck Andrew, in just a few pieces of dialogue this kid was more Spidey than any of those two.
>That Giant Man
[Spoiler]>That shot near the end in wich Cap and Iron Man recreate that cover from CW. [/Spoiler]
I feel bad for /tv/ posters that cant enjoy movies like this one. It was great, people clapped at the end, my gf cried during it, cant wait to see it again today.
[Spoiler]>Tfw just came back from watching it right now and will most likely watch it again in a few hours[/spoiler]
Such a good friday.
>>82329643
Brühl better train his ass and be ready to wear the mask by the time he appears again.
>>82329618
he also got hit in the chest, possibly punching the wind out of him and was hit in the head by 2 flying men in armors
I'd say that, combined with the thing you mentioned can definitely knock him out
>>82329722He ends up alive in the end so I'd say yes
Anyone else was expecting an Abomination reference/cameo in the big underwater prison?
>>82329790
So did Loki, but he's not really a villain so that doesn't really count.
>>82329753
I feel like they overemphasized the "nerdy" part a bit too much. Not a lot, just a bit.
>>82329722
One of the better ones, for whatever it's worth.
I knew they were already going to fight in that base because trailers but I was totally expectingCap/Tony/Bucky to fight those Winter Soldiers before confronting Zemo, only to found them dead instead.
>>82323180
They do a slow motion shot of pic related.
Sharon Carter does a paraphrased version of the "No, you move." speech at Peggy's funeral.
It was much better than Millar's version, at least i wasn't questioning character motivations all the time and Tony's character arc actually made sense.
>>82329853
did Zemo only shoot them in the head or did he drain their blood, possibly trying to extract the serum?
I wasn't sure if I saw little pipes in their arms
>>82329853
I kinda' wanted to see a supersoldier tag-team, but it wouldn't make sense.
>>82329891
Would have been awesome if they had really done that scene with the others lying around them.
>>82329895
Millar's superpower is making shit comics that end up being good movie adaptations.
>>82326387
I think the smaller cast of characters allowed for a better conflict and the accords to make more sense.
In the comic, in order for all 200 plus heroes to get involved the law is ridiculous. If you have any sort of hero skills you HAVE to work for the government as a registered hero or you go to jail. As a result anyone who doesn't want to be a government worker has to be a rebel and they have to fight about it.
In the movie Cap Falcon and Wanda say they're out, and they're allowed to just walk away bar no heroics, and the problem is then that a situation comes up that Cap really wants to get involved with and does so despite the accords.
In the movie it works because the plot allows for conflict that makes sense. In the comic some character HAVE to be irrational assholes about things because otherwise the situation would be easily resolved.
>>82329853
That was an amazing turn. Spoiler tags, because why not.I thought that after the big airport brawl, Marvel pulled their parachute and decided to make everyone go back to being best buds. Iron Man and Cap consolidate their friendship over the brutal beatings of insane Soviet-era supersoliders.
But then "SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER" the rift between them deepens and leads to an even more emotional, brutal fight
>>82329922
he shot them in the head while they slept. it was never about the super soldiers.
the empire he wanted to crumble wasn't any nation, it was the avengers. he wanted to destroy them from the inside by taking tony, cap, and bucky to the facility and showing tony the night his parents died.
>>82329922
>Zemo extracts the serum
>once he gets out of prison he manages to recreate it
>inject himself with it to get on Caps level
Would you be hype?
>>82329993
only if he also has a purple sock on his head
>>82329976
And what's his endgame?
>>82323085
Its pretty obvious what he meant. Cap is not an idiot.
>>82329853
I think that was entirely intentional. They set the audience up into believing the Winter Soldiers will make them kiss and make up for the greater enemy, only to be subverted and the fight to get more brutal.
>>82329756
I kinda' like he was an everyman with an everyman's body, tho.
>>82323117
Because he is still avenging, and last time he created a murder bot.
>>82329827
I think it kinda works, because how else are we supposed to think he developed the web shooters?
Besides the whole "because of what i can do, when bad things happend around me its my fault" thing had me thinking he was going to say "with great power..."
>>82330019
vengeance for his father, wife, and children, crushed under the rubble of sokovia.
he succeeded and was about to finish his mission by capping himself before BP steps in.
>>82328677
Spiderman did actually. He had a blast at the fight (it wasn't a personal breakdown for him because he didn't know any of these people well) and at the end of the day he's all psyched to up his hero game thanks to Tony's backing.
He's pretty much the only hero that comes out of the movie happy.
>>82330019
Destroy the Avengers. He won. That's why he was going to an hero.
>>82330019
I'm guessing you didn't see the movie.
Revenge. The Avengers killed his family horribly during AoU, and he made a promise to bring them down and tear them apart like his family was.
He knew he couldn't kill them himself, as stronger men had tried. So he set them up to fight and kill eachother, tearing them apart within themselves. Essentially, if an enemy teared them apart, they could grow back together, but if they tore themselves apart, the wound would be much deeper.
I feel bad for War Machine
Hawkeye was full on Fraction style in this, and I loved it.
>>82330148
Think of what we could've had.
>>82330019
Crashing the Avengers with no survivors.
>>82330183
you shouldn't. he doesn't regret anything that happened.
it is a bad beat though
>>82330094
>Besides the whole "because of what i can do, when bad things happend around me its my fault" thing had me thinking he was going to say "with great power..."
That was good, I will say. I'm glad they implied it rather than directly reference it.
>>82330183
He gets bullied so hard.
>>82329618
>>82329785
He was still concious he even asks on the comm if anyone has Orange slices to get his electolytes back up. But he's also clearly exhausted and takes the helmet off completely for air so he's too tired to resist arrest.
>>82329722
Most sucessful one at least.
>>82324031
No weapons. Also he is rather conflicted about being the Winter Soldier and just wants to walk away from everything.
And since his special skill is murdering things, he was not going to get much to do in a no kills conflict.
>>82330195
4 u
>"Can you move the seat forward?"
>"No"
>>82330234
that's what I meant by fainted, like being barely there and going "5 more minutes mom" or some shit
>>82330301
Does he get many lines? He barely spoke in the last one.
How do you think they'll manage to make Bucky's mind better?
I'm guessing Strange will help?
>>82330016
>purple
It's MAGENTA, you swine!
>>82330361
this and "you are under arrest" got me so hard
>>82330361
The sam/bucky interactions were great
>that moment when they both smile at Cap
>>82330234
Paul Rudd is too damn cute in the role. So glad he didn't get Goliath'd.
>>82322144
>The worst part is, this could have been prevented by simply talking to Stark at any point within those two years about what had happened and the circumstances involved. Having it revealed to him with Bucky right there and realizing Steve kept that information from him for all this time was the anvil that broke the camels back.
Steve Rogers admit it as such in the letter at the end of the film. That yes, he didn't have that conversation because he didn't want to deal with it. He admit it was to protect himself from having that talk, and that he was wrong about that decision.
what was Martin Freeman's deal anyway?
was he just a big name actor playing a small role?
>>82321686
She is full of self guilt over all her killing
>>82322280
Were you asleep? He said he had decoded the leaked shield files.
>>82330437
He's meant to have a bigger role in Black Panther
>>82330437
Everett Ross, he'll probably have a bigger role in the BP movie.
>>82321560
Just saw the movie, it was pretty good by far my favourite Marvel Movie, the only thing i didn't liked was how the fight beyween Cap and Iron Man felt like a bunch of little kids playing. I'am not asking for a serious serious fight but come on, they were playing with each other and making jokes like no tommorrow. It felt like just fanservice to me but it was still ok.
>>82330437
He's going to show up as a supporting character in the BP solo film. That's where he's from.
>You'll know where to find us
SECRET AVENGERS HYPE
>>82324932
No. Some other alloy.
>>82330403
>They nod in approval after seeing Cap kissing Sharon
Also
>EVERYBODY'S GOT A GIMMICK NOW, HUH
>...I hate you.
>>82325303
Because Tony is right
>>82330473
Is this b8? Or are you talking about the airport fight?
Because the last fight wasn't jokey at all.
>>82330492
>Could you move your seat up?
>No.
>>82330478
is Steve gonna become Nomad now?
>>82330473
what. did we see the same movie?
That final fight was intense and dramatic as fuck.
Do you mean the airport scene?
>>82330206
Besides, he will get to bang the MCU's first female lead hero.
>>82330369
He speaks more in this. Even has some cute bonding scenes with Sam/Cap.
>>82321560
Is Zemo an important character in the Comics? It felt a bit lame how everything happened because of a simple angry man
>>82330385
Wakanda can cure cancer
No doubt they can fix his stupid brain
>>82330547
You bet he is. Can't wait for Thunderbolts.
>>82330437
>Martin Freeman
>big name
At no point in time has anyone of importance in in Hollywood said, "lets cast Martin Freeman, he will draw a crowd".
>>82321560
Did Crossbones seriously died in the beggining of the movie? Like seriously you have a good looking villain and then you blow him up? Fucking waste of potential
>>82330547
>It felt a bit lame how everything happened because of a simple angry man
Why is that lame? Revenge and burning hatred has been a motivation for villains since the ancient greeks.
That Dora Milaje BTFOing Black Widow.
Panther considering it, too.
Poor Bucky. When he's not a brainwashed murder machine or just getting shit at, he's just an extremely depressed and very swole guy.
>>82330616
What potential does he really have? It's not like they just kill him offscreen anyway. He has a good cold open for the New Avengers and his actions pretty much set up the plot of the film.
>>82330473
The airport fight WAS literally a 'play fight' that ended badly when Rhodey got shot down. None of them wanted to seriously injure each other.
The final Iron Man vs Cap and Bucky fight was intense though, and RDJ was playing it straight as hell.
>>82330620
>he's just an extremely depressed and very swole guy
Bucky is from /fit/?
>>82330547
Thunderbolts
>>82330620
He was cuter before he got huge though.
>>82330547
An angry man tore the Avengers apart better than Ultron. He had better schemes than Loki.
>>82330529
>>82330510
Oh yeah sorry i meant the Airport fight not the last one
>>82330385
>I'm guessing Strange will help?
That would be cool.
Still wondering if HYDRA might have been behind Strange's accident.
>>82330608
he played Dildo Haggis and he's in Sherlock
my other guess is that Cocoabunch is getting him jobs bc they're buddies
>>82324137
>Really? That is good news. But where can they go after Infinite wars?
Captain America isn't need to save planet Earth, his powers isn't designed for fighting that kind of threat. So maybe they could fire up the Serpent Society idea that they had previously used to hide the civil war?
>>82330519
>Bucky moves annoyed to the seaton his left
>>82330620
He looks like a less curly-haired Robb Stark with the beard.
>>82330616
it was a cool death that established both how dangerous wanda can be and why the accords should be signed
>>82330547
Zemo is of Marvel's no. 1 Keikaku masters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuwK0KFKI30#t=03m57s
Who has the better team /co/?
>>82330183
Dude shot a car to pieces instead of dodging it, that was pretty awesome.
The electro truncheon was underwhelming, which was his only other significant move.
>>82325303
Widow is logic, what with a good chunk of her character being driven by guilt over her past actions and wanting to make amends.
She initially had SHIELD, and then the Avengers, but both are gone now, and the Accords are what remains.
Panther is with them out of convenience in order to get Bucky.
Rhodey is military.
And Vision is using robot logic (the Accords make sense given past events, the problem is that its a system that can still fail and be biased/missused).
I almost expecting Vision to call Scarlet Witch a mutant when he was babbling about who she was and whatever.
Then remembered oh right they can't
>>82330724
wanda didn't kill crossbones. she just contained his bomb vest so that no one else on the ground got hurt.
wanda pulled the lever that made the trolley car hit 1 person instead of 3. she was a hero goddammit.
>>82330608
Hobbit made himbig
Ultron ultimately suceeded.
>bird costume
it's amazing how they turned such a shitty character like 616 falcon into one of the best supporting roles. Mackie is the best.
I really like how he is basically a less polite Cap, who doesn't let petty things go by and immediatelly calls people out on bullshit.
>>82330689
>Dildo Haggis
Where he was the main character and still wasn't the focus point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW3Q1FR6Dwc&ab_channel=TheWarpZone
>Sherlock
A tv series actor is not a big name.
I demand a netflix initiativ series!
>>82330695
I'd kill for some Madame Hydra.
>>82330547
Whye does everybody miss the part when they say he was a blackops commander for the sokovian army?
Simple man, my ass.
>>82330768
>pulled the lever that made the trolley car hit 1 person instead of 3
more like killed 50 instead of 2
Lol Captain talks alot of shit but got his ass beat.
>>82330786
Zemo did better than Ultron.
Zemo was just generally a better villain than Ultron. Zemo hit Tony where it hurts.
>>82330795
also Madame Web when?
>>82330809
who won the cap vs tony fight again?
>>82330754
>Joe picking Scarlett Witch right out of the bat
I really liked how OP they made her.
>>82330737
His comic schemes fail 99% of the time, though.
>>82330809
How? He's the one walking away from a blubbering Tony lying on the ground.
>>82330830
Ultron wanted to destroy the Avengers, and he managed to do it.
>>82325416
>Tony reacted accordingly
He tried to murder Bucky, anon
Anger is appropriate, trying to kill everyone isn't.
>>82330877
he looked like a beaten housewife in that last shot. guy crawls around on his knees before falling on his ass.
>>82321560
I'am glad the full fight of Spiderman Vs Cap wans't in the leak. For a moment Spidey actually gets to kick Cap ass
>>82330954
I loved that Spidey lost his fights due to inexperience.
>>82326330
Eh, Tony is not right to want Bucky dead, just like Steve is not wrong to want to keep him alive.
Bucky was as much a victim as the people he murdered while brainwashed.
The movie is deliciously grey in its conflict.
Is mr. stank here?
>>82330954
Cap was trying to straight up murder Spidey by crushing him under a building.
How did Cap know he was going to hold up the rubble?
>>82321560
Thank God Tony didnt 100% lose against Steve. For a moment there he really was getting his ass kicked by Steve but he got his shit together and almost killed him. If it wasn't for Bucky he would have lose.
Tony Vs Steve = Tony
>>82330906
I mean, the fact that he and Zemo both wanted the same, they both suceeded, Zemo just gave the final blow.
>>82330830
Ultron also was toned down because of meddling
>>82329466
No he didn't, one of the many wars in Sokovia did. They just used Stark weaponry.
>>82330849
And they also said in interviews that she's doesn't even know the full extent of her powers yet.
She's gonna be crazy powerful in Infinity War.
>>82331024
Table for Mr. Stank? Near the bathroom?
Rhodey is great.
>>82330846
Zemo
>>82326458
Not while being run by Thunderbolt Ross.
Also, UN politics getting in the way of saving lives is not that sweet a deal, even if they can somehow prevent unwanted destruction (very unlikely, the villains don't give a shit).
How did Tony find out Peter Parker was Spider-man?
>>82330849
Shame she gets weaker because Vision makes her feel funny.
>>82331061
Was he? I wouldn't be surprised really.
>>82331118
With her outfit I bet she makes Vision feel funny too.
>>82331118
Avengers Disassembled confirmed
>>82331025
He saw what he's capable of in the 15 minutes they had been fighting before.
>>82331079
Every single character managed to have his moment to kick ass or generally state his motivations.
Ultron managed it as well, but it was through a Whedon-filter and condensed into the party scene.
Except for Vision, who's kind of shy anyway, so it works.
>>82331118
It was War Machine going all Black Canary on her, though. Wanda made Vision weaker, not the other way around.
>>82331111
Science magic
>>82331111
Saw the tapes in broad daylight, followed him and his webs home.
>>82331134
They apologize to each other after War Machine takes her down.
>>82326458
>Hey there's a supervillain fucking shit up holy shit we need to help
>Wait a second buddy, you think you're some kind of cowboy vigilante you fucking WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION!? We need to get at LEAST the confirmed delegate signatures of over 120 countries within the UN secondary council, then in the tertiary advisory council and then finally approved in the primary council. Should only take a few months.
OST is up on kat.
>Marisa Tomei is 51
Goddamn, would still do.
Anon who hasn't seen the movie;
Did they make Spiderman black in this?
>>82331052
>Thank God Tony didnt 100% lose against Steve. For a moment there he really was getting his ass kicked by Steve but he got his shit together and almost killed him.
Only for a while. And interestingly it was through AI assistance; if my understanding was correct he was using Friday to control the suit because Tony's own reflexes couldn't keep up. Tony told his AI to start a combo on Cap.
>>82331252
have you been living under a fucking rock?
>>82331252
Yes, he goes into battle making remarks about how cap is racist and anytime he's onscreen rap music plays in the background
>>82331252
>he didn't even bother searching the internet for it
Anon pls.
>>82331252
Did you miss the casting from a year ago or something?
>>82331258
Thats right. Also, what happened with Jarvis? He turned into a girl?
>>82331316
Jarvis is Vision
>>82331234
So would Tony it seems.
>>82331252
yeah, Steve even makes a couple of racist remarks
>>82331316
Watch Age of Ultron at least.
>>82331201
Those Accords won't last beyond Infinity War anyway because it will be those illegal vigilante's that save the world's ass.
>>82331316
Jarvis is long dead
J.A.R.V.I.S is vision
>>82330925
Tony has always been the one to work on impluse, plus the man that murdered his parents was standing right in front of him. It was entirely in character to just loose his shit and stop giving a fuck about morals
>the first time they cast Spidey as teen is when he worked the best
Andrew Garfield was also alright but his movies were so bad.
>>82331329
>>82331370
Only in personality, though. Not memories.
>>82331316
>Also, what happened with Jarvis? He turned into a girl?
After Jarvis became Vision, Tony booted up one of his previously used backup AI assistant, Friday.
http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Friday_%28Earth-616%29
Fucking loved this film but Zemo's evil masterplan seems so flawed and contrived it hurts. Did he really do this solo? I just don't buy it.
He managed to bomb the UN meeting while at the same time framing a super spy and making every intelligence agency on the planet believe it.
Stealing the identity of the psychiatrist about to interview the most wanted man on the planet is as simple as killing him and walking into the base.
Even after this colossal security cockup, most people are still totally blindsided, including numerous genius billionaire playboy philanthropists and infinity stone wielding cyborgs.Somebody that's not Cap rescues Bucky, but that's not suspicious at all.
If all this fails, he's got his ace in the hole waiting casually for him in Siberia, or at least he's HOPING he does. He gets lucky again!
Because there's a fucking CCTV camera in the middle of a forest road that captured WS killing Stark. EXTRA LUCKILY, the Super spy just shoots the camera and leaves evidence behind.
Where does this guy's money come from? I know I must've missed some things, I was tired as all hell when I watched it so I'm assuming I have misinterpreted this. Help me out.
During the stinger, did anyone else get the impression thatPeter kinda wants to bang Aunt May?
>>82331366
I just hope they last long enough for us to get a Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers movie.
>>82331474
Can you blame him?
>>82331463
He was a commander for sokovian blackops.
The dude has skills, like Liam Neeson in Taken.
>>82331474
wouldn't you?
I doubt they'll hint at some Freudian shit tho
>>82331474
Thats perfectly natural when your aunt looks like that
>>82330925
It wasn't 'right' seeing as Bucky was a victim who had been brainwashed and was therefore not responsible for his actions, but it's also extremely understandable Tony would want to kill him in that moment. You could see his mental state declining as he watched the footage.
>>82331463
>Stealing the identity of the psychiatrist about to interview the most wanted man on the planet is as simple as killing him and walking into the base.
>Because there's a fucking CCTV camera in the middle of a forest road that captured WS killing Stark
those were the only things that bothered me in the movie
as for the other things, he's just "has patience and experience"
>>82331474
Yeah i thought the same. Aunt May acted in a kind of flirty way too. No incest in my Superheros Movies please Disney
>>82331463
My issue is how nobody in Zemo's stolen apartment room could smell a dead psycharatrist
>>82331391
>>82331582
Oh yeah, I agree that it fits the character perfectly, I'm just saying that it wasn't a morally right action.
>>82331582
I got the impression he only cared about him mom in the fight. Please tell me he cared about his dad too. After all he saw that video of his dad talking to him in Iron Man 2
>>82331463
This was me and I just realised I neglected to say Bruhl was brilliant, he's still the second best villain we've had.
>>82331614
it all happened in 36hrs, he wouldn't have enough time to start rotting
>>82331614
>My issue is how nobody in Zemo's stolen apartment room could smell a dead psycharatrist
I think the only reason the body is in the bathtube is because it was put on ice. Zemo wanted the body to be found and identified, so he wanted it in a position and state that is pristine. Just add new ice every day and drain out the old melted ice.
>>82331463
I don't understand what's particularly strange about him bombing the UN, or stealing the credentials of the murdered psychiatrist. That was all United Nations stuff and not necessarily privy to any extra enhanced security. Zemo learned from the SHIELD info and manipulated the team and yeah, the plan is kind of a wildly circumstantial one but that's Zemo in a nutshell. These roulette-style plays where he manipulates any outcome are one of his trademarks as a villain.
As for his abilities, he does have a background in extremely shady war-torn Balkans black ops which should justify a lot. His father remains a mystery, and he may well have the wealth and ancestry he does in the comics. but it isn't commented on so we should probably assume he doesn't. What he had was will, time, information and patience. Did he arrange the Crossbones job at the start? Probably not, but he saw the opportunity and took it. Who knows how long he was waiting for an opportunity like that?
Zemo is a foil to both sides of the Civil War debate. None of Tony's enhanced security, surveillance, working with governments and law enforcement matters because Zemo was able to trump it all with a few disguises by playing on the prejudices and agendas of the people in charge. On the Cap side of things, Zemo shows that one man with no control or oversight can cause an immense amount of destruction. He's a particularly strong foil for Cap because Steve had the dedication to come through a selection process and be made into a true hero - Zemo has that same incredible dedication, but only for his revenge. And he wins! He's the least powerful Marvel villain to date, and the most successful one.
>>82331659
>I got the impression he only cared about him mom in the fight. Please tell me he cared about his dad too. After all he saw that video of his dad talking to him in Iron Man 2
He had daddy issues his whole life, but he never had a bone to pick with his mum.
As a spiderfag he kinda felt like a disappointment, but loved black panther and GiAnts, do I have bad taste or maybe I didn't understand the point of having spidey in the movie?
>>82331614
It was a hotel, he didn't let anyone in, it was for a night or two at most and he had the body cooled in the bath.
I really think they're going to redeem Zemo. There's a clear parallel between the extent to which Bucky is considered redeemable and the extent to which Zemo is. And the actual heroes in this went through an arc of revenge that compares to his own, they just stopped sooner. I don't know if Marvel are actually going to do a Thunderbolts movie, but this is a Zemo who could lead the Thunderbolts.
>>82331659
I thought it was quite telling he chose not to say 'he killed my parents' instead of mom.
>>82331764
I think this Spidey is by far the best incarnation of Spidey ever: he really feels like a teen, he has the inappropriate in-combat jokes, he's kind of starstruck but at heart was real principles of justice he'll go to the wall for. He and Ant-Man did kind of cameo but I felt it worked okay.
>>82331659
>>82331783
You forget the>MY FATHER MADE THAT SHIELD, IS NOT YOURS
He did care about him too.
>>82329973
Seriously that was great, As soon as they mentioned more super soldiers I thought what a shitty idea, but the twist was great
When the two sides collided, I immediately thought of Infintiy War, and how batshit insane it would be during the final battle with everyone fighting.
I can't wait for IW, which is only 2 years away(!!!).
>>82330618
Yeah that was great. I love how they're going for a fully realised Wakanda.
>>82331300
Is everyone still convinced that suit was not entirely CG? Cause It looks really CG.
I can understand why it is though. It makes sense that it is to prevent Spidey from set leak photos. We literally got nothing until film footage of him. I suspect he'll have an actual physical suit to wear in his standalone movie.
>that stairway fight
So how is Black Widow gonna be any help against Thanos? I mean, at least Hawkeye has superhuman aim. Give him a magic bow and arrow or whatever and bam, he's useful. What can Black Widow do that Captain America can't do better?
Anyone knows the song playing in the second credits? It had some kind of country vibe i really liked it
>>82331988
Make her spread her legs and use her as bait.
>>82331804
He cared more about getting his father's approval than the actual Howard Stark as a person though. Tony feels Steve is undeserving of his father's praises and affection, since he is now aiding his murderer, while Tony, his actual son, has never felt he got the love and approval he deserved.
>>82331988
Spy shit?
I loved how collected he was. The ability to be charming and flirty with the hotel maid while underneath he was totally dead, living for hate.
We got so many good scenes of Zemo in ths movie. Okay no mask, no sword, but:
>Scene of him casually disregarding a HYDRA agent as a means to an end
>Scene of him psychologically torturing Bucky
>Scene with a dangerous fixation on Cap
>Sympathetic villain scene
>'lol fuck you I won' finisher
He was always so calm. He never seemed angry, or not in control. Would he have had a plan for anyone who showed up in Siberia? I don't really care if we never see him again - that was a good villain arc.
>>82331978
absolutely
love how steve tried to save people while bucky didn't give a shit
also
>the way he used the ledge to get down
anyone else noticed how shit the Russians' Russian was? I get it that Zemo, Bucky, etc are gonna have accents, but the guys in the Bunker were Russian, weren't they?
>>82331978
T'Challa really kicked Bucky's ass.
>>82331148
I feel like one of the biggest strengths of the Russos and M&M is how good they are at budgeting character moments. The formers' experience on Community probably helps a lot.
>>82331799
I just hope the positive reception to teen Spidey doesn't make Marvel feel justified about shit like OMD.
>>82331921
How much screentime do we get to see of Wakanda?
Civil War is now certified fresh with 94% and a 8/10 rating.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_america_civil_war/
>>82332244
They'll find a way to.
I still wonder if we're getting Gwen, MJ or maybe Liz for Homecoming? Maybe Black Cat so we can see Marvel backpedal again?
>>82332269
Not much but it's unabashedly the isolationist, futuristic monarchy of Wakanda.
>>82332269
Like 6 seconds. They showed a big ass panther
>>82332269
about 15 second establishing shot
>>82332302
What about the aesthetics? IPod futurism, tribal temples with lasers or what.
>>82326300
That only happens because Bucky, moments before, tore it halfway out of th chest, at the cost of his arm
>>82332338
A giant jungle/ratinforest with a big panther statue.
Just got back from seeing this, it was fucking great. Fight scenes were just fantastic.
>>82332378
OK then. Guess we'll have to wait until the solo to see more probably. Hopefully it'll turn out better than Asgard.
>>82332280
HOW LOW CAN IT GO
>>82332381
Yeah same here. It was a bit confusing at the start but later it all came together. Great Movie. In Russos we trust
>>82321560
Am I the only one with superhero fatigue?
And annoyed by the fact that we won't get isolated self-contained marvel films anymore?
Why does Holland sound eight years younger than he actually is?
>>82332338
The shot on Wakandan soil has a hi-tech lab with a black Wakandan scientist putting Bucky on ice. Black Panther and Steve Rogers look out the window to a lush rainforest and waterfall with a huge imposing panther statue.
Black Panther flies a panther jet at one point, with markings that match the teeth on his suit. One of the Dora Milaje shows up and stares down Black Widow in another scene. When King T'Chaka is on screen he talks about Wakanda making a social mission to other countries in the aftermath of the vibranium theft in Age of Ultron. The Wakandan delegation bombed at the start of the movie are a social enterprise trying to help Nigerians.
>>82321560
Why didnTony grabbed that old lady's arm? Did he thought she was going to kill him
>>82332462
Well he is a Brit putting on an American accent
>>82332446
>It was a bit confusing at the start but later it all came together
exactly how I felt too
>>82332471
I was worried about the Panther jet when I first heard about it, but that sounds pretty cool.
>>82332462
Yeah thats the only con for me. We won't never again get a movie without Cameos or a reference to other superheros
>>82331769
>Zemo
>Redeemed
They better not. The movies are in dire need of actual villains.
>>82332462
he was about 17-18 when they were filming
for some people the voice doesn't develop until later, I had facial hair by the time I was 14 but my voice didn't become deep until I was like 17
he might also be playing it up
Anyone else dissapointed with the soundtrack?
Was hoping for something similar to WS's soundtrack, considering it's the same compose.
>>82332474
she was reaching for her purse, she could easily have a gun there
>>82332564
Yeah. Didn't expect to hear all the other Avengers' themes since this is still technically a Cap movie but it seemed way too subdued.
Post your favorite moments from the airport fight.Bucky and Sam being brosHEY, BUDDY, I THINK YOU FORGOT THISScott going Giant and laughing while grabbing War Machine like i it were a toy>My name's Clint
>I don't care>You couldn't have done that earlier?
>...I hate you.
>>82332474
He has PTSD.
>>82332607
I can't there were too many
>>82332607GiAnt Man in general
I honestly didn't expect it which made me love it even more. And I really liked Spiderman, pretty much exactly how a hyped up kid would act in a fight.
>>82332607
ANT ON ARROW
>Does anyone have any orange slices?
Seriously though, what did he mean by this?
I thought it was kind of hilarious when Tony said he was Cap's friend, too, when Steve so plainly doesn't want to hang out or be buddies with Tony. Steve is close and friendly with Black Widow, Hawkeye, Bucky. When he wants to shoot the shit and get a few beers he talks with Falcon or Sharon Carter. He never does buddy shit with Tony.
>>82332607
The entire fucking sequence.
>>82332672
I think orange slices helps with cramp, or citrus in general.
>>82332548
So no to a potential thunderbolts for you?
>>82332674
Did you watch the movie? The take is different from in the trailers. He says it in spite. .
>>82332607
everything
>>82332656
I haven't seen Ant-man so i thought he was just a Tony's clone from just the trailers but he is hilarious as fuck. I already like him. Love the part when Tony just plain ignore him when he was trying to talk shit about him
>mfw Ant-Man being a total Captain America fanboy
>>82332769
I remember Tony saying 'Who are you?'
>>82332607
From this point on the movie just got better and better. It was a bit slow and jumbled in the start, but after Spidey's introduction and this fight, shit hit the fan.
>>82332813
>>82332769
>Ant Man: I guess it's TRUE you should never trust a Stark.
>Tony: Who are you?
>Ant Man: Come on...
>>82331072
At full power Wanda could win that fight in 5 seconds.
Chaos Magic is the one power in the universe that can effectively counter the Infinity Gauntlet.
She's the only Avenger Thanos won't have to job to.
What did the second after-credits scene revealed exactly?
>>82332919
Just a teaser for the new Spiderman movie I guess.
>>82332882
I thought he said "Hank told me to never trust a Stark"
Or did I mishear it?
>>82332919
Spiderman logo.
>>82332818
Peter's introduction in the MCU was great. I really liked it.
Also, as soon as ''QUEENS'' came up on screen the whole theater got pretty hyped.
>>82332919
Peter and his new spidey signal
>>82332948
Yeah, he said that.
>>82332919
Peter got a black eye and is fiddling around with more spider tech. Also, Aunt May is by far the hottest woman in the movie.
Does anybody knows where and when does Stan Lee his cameo, please?
>>82333015Near the end of the movie where Tony gets a letter from Cap. The guy who delivered the mail was Stan Lee and misreads Tony's name as Tony Stank.
>>82333015
Near the end of the movie, in the Avengers base. He appears as a FedEx guy asking for Tony Stank.
No, not a typo. He asks that.
>>82329819
I was waiting for Ross to mention Blomsky.
Or a quick Tim Roth cameo on the raft.
>>82332560
We'll never get "grounded" marvel films/series again either like Iron Man 1.
And the fact that the people of the MCU seem to be retards:
>daredevil doesn't believe in mystical ninja myths despite thor and cities being lifted into the sky
>people moving moving on with life despite fucking aliens dropping out the sky and levelling new york
>people in jessica jones not believing in shit despite the same aliens dropping out the sky
I think Civil War was the first marvel film to really acknowledge the impact of the avengers whereas in other film/series it's just a background point.
Martin Freeman's American accent was a bit off for me.
>>82332474
>Why didnTony grabbed that old lady's arm? Did he thought she was going to kill him
He was right in determining that she had a grudge against him. He didn't know if she was willing to actually kill him or not.
Just got back, HOLY SHIT THAT MOVIE WAS GOOD. MORE SPIDEY PLS
>>82332950
>>82332964
>>82333044
normies at the theater were like "that was a bit cheesy"
I was this close to going REEEEEEEEE
>tfw some guy walked in the theater dressed in a full venom outfit and shouted 'spiderman sucks' before the movie started
>>82333074
Martin's American was fine, but I think Elizabeth Olsen forgot Wanda isn't American for a few lines
>>82333122
Yeah, her accent slipped a few times.but she's enough of a qt that it doesn't matter anyway
>>82333089
It kinda IS cheesy, though. The only reason we don't think so is because of nostalgia.
>>82332964
>>82333044
What is the purpose of the Spidey signal, anyway? I've read fucking all of ASM but it never made much sense. "Guess I'll give up my element of surprise". I mean, he doesn't need to send a call out for himself.
>>82333122
>Martin's American was fine, but I think Elizabeth Olsen forgot Wanda isn't American for a few lines
I find it intersting that Tony Stark actually used "she isn't American" to justify the need to lock Wanda up. Like, did he just admit Americans think human rights don't apply for anyone who isn't American?
>>82333122
yeah, that bugged me too
Thread is autosaging
New thread?
>>82333186
use this one I guess >>82304417
>>82333163
What's wrong with a little cheesy, though? It's Spider-Man.
>>82333163
I'm 95% sure they didn't know it existed beforehand
but yeah, it was cheesy in a good way
>>82333186
>>82333191
I just made this one,should I delete it?
>>82333235
>>82333168
>did he just admit Americans think human rights don't apply for anyone who isn't American?
Pretty much.
>>82333297
Can't delete OP threads anymore but what they hey, can't hurt.
>>82333322
I deleted mine the other day.
>>82333333
Huh really? Maybe they allow it for some boards then.
>>82324638
This. Although its not just debt, he genuinely cares for Wanda and regards her as family.
>>82332718
Why would he need to be redeemed for that?
He could just "lead" the team and play them all like fiddles for his own gain. I don't want every villain that survives to be on the big redeem train like they are gonna do with Loki and Nebula.
>>82321560MISSION REPORT: DECEMBER 16, 1991
>>82325330
Vision joins because he desperately wants to be accepted, at any cost. It's pretty much the same motives and logic as his robo-family in Tom King's comic.Also, Wanda being an actual witch is all but confirmed by the less than subtle subtext of the world's hostility (religious nuts ahoy) to her; a literal witch hunt.
>>82331988
Scarlet Witch is the only credible threat to Thanos.
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