>>82018905
Both.
>>82018905
He should do quips!
Comically Serious
>>82018905
Yes.
Unfortunately he's usually just so serious it's silly.
>>82018905
I want a Brave and the Bold movie desu.
>>82018905
Batman should be a detective first and an angsty teenager never.
>>82018905
"trying too hard to look cool" Batman is the best
>>82018905
He should be serious, but witty. And by serious I mean serious, not grimdark and emo.
>>82019234
this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUtp64Lb0No
>>82018905
>>82018905
Batman needs to be: Smart, always put innocents before himself, and by definition always try to be the best thing he can be so he can be the best crime fighter possible.
That's it, you can make him silly, grimdark, old, a vampire, an alien, cuck dick, an asshole, a crazy adventurer, your batman can be almost everything as long as those 3 things are part of the character.
>>82019234
>>82019383
Agreed. Furthermore, there should be the sense of an adventurer about him. That sometimes, he's enjoying himself and his role, and not just in that grimdark "I'm enjoying inflicting pain onto criminal scum" kind.
He should be allowed to smile and even laugh on occasion, even in the more serious stuff.
>>82019234
>grimdark
>emo
I-it's like I'm really back in 2007!
>>82018905
you know you just posted two different kinds of silly, right?
the only serious batman was dcau
I hate when people write Bruce as an asshole. I feel that, while simplistic, they got the basics of his character right in BTAS. When he's outright cold towards Robin and Alfred, it annoys me. He should be serious, but not a cunt.
>>82018905
Is crime silly or serious?
>>82019639
>a huge bat flies in the open window
What a shit reason to dress up as a bat
>>82019658
>I'm enjoying inflicting pain onto criminal scum
Seriously though, that's Daredevil, not Batman.
>>82019778
You mean Frank Miller in general.
>>82019759
>>82018905
sillious
>>82019690
Would you rather I say edgy?
>>82018905
batman should be absurd. batman should be compassionate.
>>82018905
Both.
>>82019658
But his reason for doing this lies in tragedy, his sense of purpose, the reason he sticks to his duty is repressed sorrow. He can't enjoy himself like that. I'm not saying he has to be an asshole to his friends, but he's not a curious adventurer. He's more like a bitter knight.
>>82018905
Both
>>82020033
Criminally underrated show imho.
The way Morrison writes.
Seriously silly.
>>82019002
the beauty of batman, and by extension joker, is that there are multiple interpretations so no one interpretation is perfect. The only key components of bats you need is the costume, bruce wayne persona, dead parents, and martial arts/science training. How you take it from there is the writer's perspective
>>82020064
the underrated show that /co/ universally loves? the one there was 24/7 threads for before generals were even metastasized cancer? THAT underrated show?
>>82018905
There's no "should" with Batman.
>>82020208
Yes, the one that most people don't care about. You're aware that /co/ isn't everything, yeah?
>>82020208
Yes. The one that faggots always shit on for not being BTAS.
>>82019955
Oh, sure. He should have those moody, introspective moments and hardships that test both the limits of his physical and mental well being. But like with most people who have suffered severe traumas that define their life in some way, he should also have learned to cope.
Sure, he carries a self-imposed burden, but I know people who've gone trough shit even more horrible than young Bruce had to go trough, and with even less time removed, they can laugh, smile and partake in life's joys, even if they never quite heal. It's shit to say, but it gets easier to live with, and even during the early years I prefer Bruce as a Batman that went into vigilantism for other reasons than just a dead parents complex.
Makes for a more rounded character.
>>82019955
fucking bullshit, double dubs notwithstanding
Batman isn't driven by sorrow. Are YOU still mourning family members you lost 25 years ago?
Bruce Wayne learned early in his life that the world can be a cruel place and take away everything you love. He made a vow to try to prevent that from happening to as many people as he can.
His parents' death doesn't still sear him like it did when he was 8. They serve as a reminder to him that he's fighting for a better world.
>>82019759
Batman is SO important to western culture that you don't understand why it's a big deal.
The key word is OMEN.
Bats were considered a SATANIC Creature for 600 years before batman was introduced (at least in the west). that's why the "cowardly and superstitious lot" doesnt make sense anymore.
It's the same reason gotham is a "damned" city, and batman was fighting the crazy monk, ocultism, black magic are not new to batman comics. Batman is a demon in the night hunting evildoers, etc etc.
It's a big thematic thing that has been lost, why? thanks to the cultural impact of Batman.
So no, is not as simple as batman liking bats.
>>82018905
Seriously silly.
>>82019955
>he's not a curious adventurer.
He is.
Supercilious.
>>82018905
Mostly serious but with a little bit of comedy if it suits the situation.
ASBAR Batman is the perfect combo of silly and serious.
>>82020426
I have never thought about it before but your probably right the Batman probably has done a lot to make the public more accepting of bats.
>>82019873
>not a chickun
>>82020660
I never got how people didn't guess he was Batman with the Robins. I mean, what a coincidence.
>>82020660
>>82020790
>I never got how people didn't guess he was Batman with the Robins
If a billionare that is always is missing and that has both a fame of a playboy and that spended his youth fucking whores in europe and asia start adopting kids that look like him, same black hair, same blue eyes, people would just believe he is the real father.
More people would believe he paid someone to kill their families to get his kids.
>>82020900
>jason dies
>robin disappears
Hmmmm.
>>82020964
>Someone dies in gotham
Rich people die in gotham all the time.
>>82021097
A 12 year old figured it out m8
Serious, but not realistic. As long as a character like Robin can still exist its fine. If you get to the point that he cant, thats too far.
>>82018905
Serious, but never taking itself seriously
>>82020426
>Bats were considered a SATANIC Creature for 600 years before batman was introduced (at least in the west). that's why the "cowardly and superstitious lot" doesnt make sense anymore.
But Batman comics don't exist in the DC Universe, so bats are still seen the same way they were before Detective Comics #27.
>>82021794
And Detective Comics is set in 1939, making Batman old as fuck.
Lets not pretend that the real world has no bearing on comics.
>>82019955
Sooner or later, Bruce has to move beyond the pain and has to start enjoying life.
The pain of losing his parents will always motivate him as well as the hope that being Batman will prevent other people from experiencing the same pain, but sooner or later, Bruce will have to realise how blessed he really is and the fact that his parents would have wanted him to e happy, Batman or not.
>>82021873
Thing is, every time Batman's entertained happiness, things end up in tragedy, betrayal, or both.
>>82020416
>Are YOU still mourning family members you lost 25 years ago?
No but I don't dress up in a Bat costume to avenge them either because I'm emotionally well adjusted
>>82022012
He isn't avenging them either, considering that none of the people he fights are responsible for his parent's death.
>>82021114
A twelve year old who was his neighbor with a Batman obsession.
>>82020416
But that's still being driven by that tragedy.
It's not out of a need for adventure, it's out of a sense of duty.
>>82019165
So Lego Movie!Batman?
>>82019002
This. People who don't understand this will never understand All-Star Batman and Robin. Or the end of The Killing Joke, for that matter.
He's a middle-age, educated and wealthy man who spends his nights ovsessively hunting and brutalizing criminals he hinself defends as insane. If he doesn't laugh about it he'll lose his goddamn mind.
There should always be the right balance of brooding and humor.
>>82019759
>>82022085
Nah man Joker is totally Joe Chill
I mean it's not like Bruce is certifiably crazy or anything haha
>>82018905
Has anyone tried to make a Batman story that's like a cross-breed between Burton and Nolan's styles?
>>82022165
>There should always be the right balance of brooding and humor.
I always thought that Batman should be the kind of guy who's jokes are only funny to him and one other person in the room.
But that person is different with each joke.
>>82022241
>Has anyone tried to make a Batman story that's like a cross-breed between Burton and Nolan's styles?
I'd argue that the Arkham games, particularly Arkham Asylum, are that.
>>82018905
He should always be serious, but the stories themselves don't have to be.
I'd even say that BATB Batman was more serious than the first season TAS Batman, for instance.
>>82022269
That sounds like a fun idea. Like, he's so close to these damn lunatics he canchum with them while the police are sitting there clueless as to why a guy in a bat costume is telling knock-knock jokes to some douchebag in a scarecrow outfit.
TKJ almost pulled that off, only the joke was too heavy handed and not funny. Like, you had to read TKJ to get the joke and by the Joker's own words several decades later, it's not a joke if you have to explain it.
>>82021794
I was talking that it doesnt make sense for us, and why people that complains about batman fighting demonic stuff or that Gotham being a damned city just misses the point.
I'm with you and most serious batman writters are too:
Ra's al ghul, Barbatos, Azrael, the Catholic aspect of gotham, Salomon grundy, Arkham and the Lovecraft connections, Damian, The Mad monk and the brotherhood, Dr Gotham, Mr whisper, and Dr Hurt. And i'm 100% sure i'm missing several others.
Batman and Gotham still have deep dark connections than go beyond "le grim dark city", but i wish they would try to tackle that angle in a less subtle way, most casual readers forget that. But DC is really scared of that.
>>82022241
>>>82018905 (OP)
>Has anyone tried to make a Batman story that's like a cross-breed between Burton and Nolan's styles?
There's a TV show RIGHT NOW. About that
Has Batman ever referred to an explosive batarang as a batbangarang?
The more serious batman becomes the more incompetent he becomes.
>>82019002
Batfleck with the 60's giant sound "Pow! and Blam!" effects would be amazing
>>82022158
he's my favorite Batman
>>82022436
I remember how much I hated this show at first. Now it's the best comic book show on tv.
The entire premise of the character is that he was traumatized into becoming Batman by the brutal murder of both of his parents in front of him as a child.
With an origin like that, I still to this day have no idea how he became a "comical" character, although i'd pay good money to see a 60's Batman origin story episode with Adam West. Especially if they use one of those "POW" images when his parents get shot.
>>82020208
>thinks /co/ is the world
Why not both?
>>82024621
>With an origin like that, I still to this day have no idea how he became a "comical" character
The comics code and the TV show
>>82024621
That's not what a premise is. The premise is a rich guy without superpowers who fights crime dressed as a bat, which is pretty silly.
His parents' death are his motivation and origin, they're not really part of the premise.
>>82018905
Silly. All superheroes should be. Every last one.
>>82026182
Well Bats isn't super, or a hero often.
>>82025592
Whenever someone needs to point out how silly Batman is, they say he dresses like a bat. He doesn't dress like a bat though, he dresses like a bat-themed superhero. It's exactly as silly as every other superhero. It's still silly, but there's pretty big difference there.
>>82026422
>Well Bats isn't super, or a hero often.
Fuck off if you hate batman why are you on this thread
>>82024546
Because mobshit was boring as fuck.
Now there's less focus on it and more focus on other elements, it's enjoyable.
>>82026885
The things that i enjoy the most are related to how FAST the show is.
>>82026579
>It's exactly as silly as every other superhero.
Animal-themed heroes are a bit more silly than others I'd say, especially when the justification is as flimsy as Bats'.
>>82018905
They should take Bateman back to his detective days. A nice film-noir film? Mystery? Fedoras?
