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Current cinematic versions. Who would win in a hand to hand fight?
Cap.
>>81909786
Probably Cap. MCU Cap is ridiculously powerful, and while Battfleck's armor could help him tank hits, it's too slow to effectively counter Cap close up, and he doesn't have an equivalent of kryptonite to level the playing field.
Cap. Easy.
>>81909786
Cap. This Batman might be more willing to kill, but he's severely dumber and thus can't win via preptime or outsmarting his opponent.
>>81909786
Captain America, hands down. Hell, Bucky would give Batffleck a run for his money.
well according to the new movie trailer it looks like captain america can keep a helicopter grounded with his bare hands
Cap would woop his faggot ass
Probably Cap, though Bats's toys will probably make the fight fairly long or some such.
>>81910017
Sounds like normal Cap.
>>81909786
I don't think we've seen Bats' full potential yet, hard to judge, and Cap's strength has varied greatly, so I'm not sure where to judge him.
If Bats is given preptime, he'll win though. Broody little bitch always thinks up something.
>>81909786
Batman has a jet.
>>81909786
Cap hands down
he's basically goku while bat is superman -.-
>>81910072
I remember what Cap did to that one jet
>>81910072
Cap takes down or surfs jets.
>>81910105
Yes, but Batman's jet can be remote-controlled by his butler in an underground cave. So now Cap has to deal with a large man in a bat costume and a butler jet at the same time. Also depending on how prepared he is, remote controlled turrets hidden around the battlefield.
General assumption is that Batman will probably always have more and better equipment than Cap at any given time.
MCU Cap would obliterate DCEU Bats
Comics is generally accepted as a 50/50.
>>81910054
Batman's biggest problem in BvS is that he's so obsessively focused on taking down Superman that ignores a lot of other obvious shit about Luthor and his plans.
Now that he's thinking more clearly I hope we get to see more of him being a detective in his solo movie.
>>81910072
>jet
>hand to hand fight
What's he going to do throw it at him?
>>81910183
DC fags pls leave.
Cap, but the important thing is that Cap beats fucking Superman as a moral lighthouse.
That scene in Winter Soldier where Maria Hill goes over the intercom and says "Cap tells you to stand down" or whatever.
And people listen?
That's what Superman should be.
MCU Cap is a better Superman than DCEU Superman.
He's a moral compass. He's a righteous crusader.
DCEU Superman is confused and relative.
Fuggin MCU Cap is more certain than god damned fucking Superman.
What the fuck world are we living?
If the Iron Giant were made today, Hogarth would tell the Giant about "Captain America".
How wrong is that?
Are you guys out of your mind?
Batman would take this in all forms of media. He was trained by Ra's al Ghul, has much more experience in hand-to-hand combat, and has more in his arsenal than just a shield.
I hate Snyder films, but you guys are being ridiculous. Cap couldn't even beat Bucky.
>>81910166
>General assumption is that Batman will probably always have more and better equipment than Cap at any given time.
So did the Nazi's, and we've seen were that got them.
Comics version: Batman has a strong chance.
Films? Cap hands down.
>>81909786
Cap, even if Bats has prep time it wouldn't be enough to stop him.
>>81910265
Movie Cap'll handle him like a rag doll.
>>81910048
Sure.
>>81910265
That's a really cheap bait capfag.
>>81910265
MCU Cap fucking dismantled a jet with his bare hands and his shield. Bats would be struggling
>>81910299
Batman is generally smarter and better than the average nazi, though.
>>81910183
He was quite the detective in BvS, really, considering he was sharing so much of his screen time. That said, I am looking forward too his solo movie, as tired as I am of batfaggotry because of the nolan films.
>>81910351
A jet doesn't really fight back. Batman has taken down opponents stronger than Cap, albeit not as smart.
>>81910353
Not the current movie Batman.
>>81910054
>preptime
the thread was going so well...
>>81909976
"dumber"
Nope. This is Bat god not Nolan Bats. He would prep time the shit outta Cap
>>81910391
>A jet doesn't really fight back.
But... but... that exactly what (military) jets are designed to do.
>>81910402
Name one Nazi in The First Avenger who wasn't dumber than a sack of shit.
>>81910439
Except it just kind of hovered there while Cap threw his shield in its rotors.
>>81910232
>make a thread abut Batman
>DC fagz leve, lolz
>also company wars
Please drink Bleach.
>>81910476
More like it didn't have enough time to respond to Cap's movements.
>>81910252
this a thousand times
>>81910265
MCU Cap is like Ultimates Cap. He's definitely superhuman, if only slightly when compared to flying bricks like Superman, Thor, and Vision.
One on one Cap would decimate Batman, and even with prep-time it would be difficult because Cap is a good strategist himself.
>>81910493
It involves the DCEU Batman. Shitposting was inevitable.
>>81910252
It's sad that you're right.
>>81910513
>More like it didn't have enough time to respond to Cap's movements.
Also it shot at him quite a bit.
Also, let's be honest, the drives through anything half indestructible batmobile should be WAY more of an asset in this match up.
>>81909786
Fist fight? Cap because he can stop helicopters.
With prep time? He's Batman for real this time.
>>81910513
Well, that's my point. A hovering jet with a single-point targeting system is a lot less mobile than the Batman.
>>81910529
I think we're underselling Bruce's tactical intelligence here. He was basically able to predict the flow of the fight before Superman even got there. Why else would he embed the Kryptonite spear where he did? Everything he did, the gas, the turrets, the sonics, even getting his ass kicked at several points, was all to get Superman down to where the Kryptonite spear was. And he even managed to do it without using all three Kryptonite canisters.
Mind you, he's still a blithering moron all the important ways, but he played out that one fight almost like a game of chess.
>>81910692
Because Batman spends the entire movie prepping to fight Superman and NOTHING else.
So he has a brilliant plan for that and misses really blatantly obvious points for everything else.
>>81910692
A smart person would have had the spear near where they expected to land the first canister.
>>81910753
That would have been too obvious, I'm guessing.
>>81910692
>I think we're underselling Bruce's tactical intelligence here. He was basically able to predict the flow of the fight before Superman even got there. Why else would he embed the Kryptonite spear where he did? Everything he did, the gas, the turrets, the sonics, even getting his ass kicked at several points, was all to get Superman down to where the Kryptonite spear was. And he even managed to do it without using all three Kryptonite canisters.
His plan only worked because Superman wasn't really trying to kill him AND wasn't really afraid of losing or being harmed, so he walked right into all the traps.
Cap would have seen those things coming and worked to put the fight in his favor.
>>81910724
If he plans for Cap he'll trash him. Remember that Batman also locked up all of the Suicide Squad in this iteration, so it's not like he's just experienced in fighting Kryptonians.
>>81910869
Suicide Squad ain't nothing to Cap, though. Hell Bucky can take them all on.
i still think bats wins. guy takes gunshots point blank to the head and keeps on trucking.
>>81910432
Mate I hope you're trolling. He's too thick to see through Luthors obvious ploy and his response to Supes wanting to talk is to start attacking him regardless.
A detective this Batman is not.
I think Bats is a better fighter than Cap but Cap has super strength on his side.
>>81911029
>I think Bats is a better fighter than Cap
But that's just wrong.
>>81910939
Of course not, I'm just saying that Batman's been dealing with supernatural elements for over 20 years now. Cap would be an interesting case, but I'd be very surprised if he couldn't handle him.
>>81910460
Zola. He managed to infiltrate sheild and put his brain on a 1960's computer.
He played the long con against cap.
>>81910460
That's because the smart ones stayed away from Captain America's path.USA USA USA
>>81911005
>He's too thick to see through Luthors obvious ploy
No, he just didn't care because he's consumed with rage and wanted Superman wiped off the face of the map. That's also why he didn't care about what Superman had to say- he was focused on destroying him from the start just because of the potential threat he caused.
>>81910493
>>81910550
>thread about batman
>DCEU
>defending the honor of a thinly veiled company wars thread
If we base their ability to this encounter, I'd give it to Cap because of the much higher stamina and strength of his movie version.
>>81911050
It's not wrong or at least it shouldn't be. Batman trained in multiple styles of martial arts. Cap doesn't have nearly as many
>>81911029
Every version of Cap is ranked among the best hand-to-hand fighters in his universe. He's a super-soldier for Christ's sake. Batman is more of a super-detective.
>>81911121
Dude we've had a million threads trying to explain this shit and people are still bitching about it.
Just let it go and stick to the topic and hopefully starve the people who are only on this board to complain about BvS of attention that keeps it going.
>>81911053
Considering that Batfleck couldn't even figure out Lex was playing him, I'm sorry but this Batman is probably more stupid than Nolan's.
>>81911050
>>81911029
I think of it like Bruce Lee against Tyson. Lee may be the better fighter in his own weight class but a good hit from Tyson would knock him the fuck out
>>81911172
A super-detective who's also been trained by some of the greatest hand-to-hand fighters in the DCU.
>>81911053
There's no hint what so ever than what Battfleck fought were ever more than thugs.
>>81910940
That was stupid for me
>feels punches from the mooks
>somehow the force of the bullet fired at point blank range is nothing
The fight was cool but I got triggered when that shit happened
>>81911219
None of which have ever seen Vibranium, to be fair.
>>81911222
The fact that Batman was responsible for putting away the Suicide Squad like was mentioned earlier in the thread?
>>81911222
Except for the fact that WB's said Bats locked up every villain in SS movie.
>>81911149
I mean seriously, how is this a competition?
MCU cap literally moves tons.
He's a fucking juggernaut compared to Batman.
Like he'd bench the fucking Batmobile.
>>81910692
His plan worked because he read the script and knew that Superman would fly him to the exact building where he left his spear, knew he'd grab and hold the krptonite grenade instead of sidestepping it or throwing it aside, and relied on Superman, the guy Batman is convinced is an alien monster that can't be trusted, won't simply thrust his hand through his face at the first opportunity.
That's not tactical thinking that's just a lot of fucking luck.
>>81911219
We know NOTHING about who Batfleck trained under, or what The DCCU has to offer in terms of martial artists.
>>81911287
Yeah in the comics version you could make arguments for either side.
For the movie versions? Battfleck would be fucked.
>>81910183
>He'll be the character in the sequel
I've put up with that excuse twice now. Not going to fall for it again.
>>81911181
I hated BvS. What I posted should be obvious even to people who didn't like the movie.
How well would DCEU Batman fair during TWS' elevator scene?
>>81911347
Anon I was responding to brought in the other Cap versions into consideration. OP's question just mentioned the movie versions but the discussion is expanding to look at other versions matched up.
>>81909786
Did Batman in BvS have trouble against common grunts? There were several instances in which got shoot and would had been either severely injured or died if it wasn't for the armor that he was wearing. While Captain America fought an entire gang of Nazis and came out unharmed. Fought an army of robots and survived.
>>81911347
We do know that Cap only has basic army training though. Super steroids must just make you a CQC master for some reason
>>81909786
That's such an unfair fight.
Batman is no where near the level of Cap. A better comparison would be who would win in a match between Bats and Iron Man.
>>81911385
I doubt he'd be able to overpower the magnetic locks but if you exclude those the elevator scene would go pretty much the same way.
OK hear me out, how about 4 bat flecks vs buck and cap.
>>81911403
Batman had trouble with the grunts after he just got done fighting Superman 10 minutes ago. I think you're all forgetting that Cap got gut shot by a Chitauri
>>81911385
His cape would certainly be a great asset during it.
>>81911158
Knowing more doesn't matter when you consider redundancies. A lot of martial arts are just glorified calisthenics or are superseded by newer and more effective arts.
>>81911385
Probably would just drop some capsules and knock them all out
>>81911414
His moves have expanded since he got unfrozen (though that has more to do with the shift from old school camp to modern action movie).
And really, not hatingbom Batfleck, but he shows nothing special in BvS.
>>81911121
>I don't care that I'm being obviously played
Worlds greatest detective
>I'm unable to rationally think about anything even for a second because gosh darn it, superman just burns my biscuits.
Worlds greatest detective.
If you can't see how being so blinded by rage over the course of, let's face it a fucking year or so at a base esitimate, seeing as the film tells us that Zod was a year ago, that you can't see the strings pulling you, you're a shit Batman.
Afflecks performace was great, I loved the way he looked, I loved the way he played it, but his blind vendetta against superman makes him a fucking moron.
At no point in that year did he calm the fuck down and think if he was being played.
In Captain America 2, it said that Captain America could bench press 2000 pounds. He also ran that full marathon without breaking a sweat.
>>81911548
>but he shows nothing special in BvS.
I dunno taking down a dozen heavily-armed goons with nothing but his bare hands and batarangs was pretty cool. He obviously struggled at a couple points there and would've been fucking dead if his cowl wasn't so heavily armored.
>>81911647
It was cool, but there was nothing special about his martial arts there.
In fact, the heavy armor just made him tank through a lot of thugs.
We know heavy armor means shit against Cap, though.
Cap always beats Bat. You just don't beat peak human without super powers, and even then it isn't a given.
>>81910869
Most of those within the Suicide Squad are trash though. You can even go as far to claim that they are just glorified cannon fodders. Quinn? Not even peak-human, only got a bat. Deadshot? Not even peak-human, just a good shot. Boomerang? A less lethal Deadshot. El Diablo? Basically just a guy with a flamethrower. Killer Croc? A dumbass.
>>81910252
Well, to be fair cap had 75 years to chill while his legend grew. I'm pretty sure that if after the events of batman v Superman someone said "superman is telling you to stand down" people would most definetly listen. Also what the fuck does this have to do with the thread? Go start a flame war somewhere else.
>>81911729
He wasn't wearing his anti-Supes armor against the mooks, he was just in his regular suit.
Even if he was wearing that armor against Cap though, it's not mobile enough to be an effective counter, and we've already seen Cap dismantle heavy armor and machinery with his shield, he could take apart Bat's armor before he could land good hits and then without a way to tank hits he'd be fucked.
Better question:
Who wins out of DCEU Superman and MCU Thor?
>>81911647
He disabled most of their rifles and singled out the greater armed threats upon making a surprise entrance, he'd have been Swiss cheese if he didn't do that first.
>>81911779
Deadshot could take cap out. He would shoot at the area caps shield isn't covering
>>81911801
Thor is magic, so Thor.
Thor vs Wondy might be the better match.
>>81911801
Superman, no question.
>>81911801
Superman, pretty sure MCU Thor is extremely weak for a Thor.
>>81911801
Superman
>>81911801
DCEU Superman is intensely powerful. If there's on thing they did right it's giving Superman proper feats of strength.
>accidentally destroys a mountain without flinching
>standing and then rising up against a beam so powerful it kept the Indian Ocean separated
>achieving some next level of Flash tier speed when the Zod fight went to space
Supes could probably blitz MCU Thor.
>>81911865
>MCU
>Magic
lol. Thors fucked. Wonder Woman would embarrass him
>>81911800
I'm not talking about the Superbuster, I'm saying that his default suit is heavily armored against thugs.
And armor in general means little to MCU Cap.
>>81911801
DCEU Superman is a little nerfed compared to his comics version, but so is MCU Thor. You could make arguments either way, but I think DCEU Supes would lose the fight because his head wouldn't be in the match.
How strong do you think MCU Spider-Man will be, /co/?
>>81911948
I suspect they're going for more agility/speed than physical strength, but at this point who knows.
>>81911848
Deadshot can't even hit the significantly slower DCU Batman. No way he is hitting MCU Captain America who is significantly faster and more agile than DCU Batman.
>>81911948
Still disappointed they didn't go with Miles.
>>81911801
Superman, but the fight is less onesided than most would think.
The tone of the Thor movies understate how powerful he is, and his Avengers fights are against earth level threats.
>>81911866
>>81911874
>>81911892
>>81911913
>>81911920
Magic. One thunderbolt with supereffective 90 power + STAB would fry Superman like he was a normal guy.
Thor destroyed an entire fucking city with it. So did superman, sure, but Thor was on purpose.
Not that Superman is weaker, just is working against type-advantage.
Wondy has resitance, so she'd be a better match.
>>81911801
If we're doing movie match-ups, how about
>Doctor Strange gets sent into Midway to deal with Enchantress' shit instead of the Suicide Squad
>what happens
>>81909786
Batman with prep time, Captain America if the script desperately needs him to to further the plot of the movie.
>>81911801
The heavyweights of MCU are poor imitations of their 616 counterparts. While destroying a large mechanical whale might seems impressive in MCU, it is a minor feat not worth noting for 616 Hulk and Thor.
Batfleck rekts him
>>81912005
We can't say MCU Thor has magic on his side, because the MCU magiteck is undefined.
>>81911936
MCU Thor isn't a little nerf compare to 616 Thor. MCU Thor is significantly nerf compare to 616 Thor. MCU Thor would be like a puppy to 616 Thor's wolf..
>>81912005
MCU Thor's speed is supersonic with Mjolnir. DCEU Superman's is significantly above hypersonic in his base, without any sun dips or anything.
Thor would get blitz'd.
I don't get why people are saying Batfleck would win with prep-time, his prep-time only worked with Supes because he didn't want to fight and had most of his guard down.
>>81912005
Supes and Thor have similar BST spreads, but Supes is faster and has a much better movepool. He wrecks Thor 1v1.
>>81911948
well, he does have radioactive blood.
>>81911987
>Still disappointed they didn't go with Miles.
>>81912170
"Prep time" is how people who don't have anything to say communicate that they don't have anything to say. If someone says it, feel free to disregard them completely.
>>81911948
I hope one day, a few movies down, they pull this shit
>>81912187
It's radioactive SPIDER blood.
Spider blood.
Spider blood.
Radioactive spider blood.
>>81912111
Oh, fuck off. He's magic enough. Especially his hammer.
>>81912147
>>81912182
Yeah, lightning is faster than hypersonic, plus Thor has AoE. He just needs to tank one hit and pull a Shazam on Supes's ass.
I agree Supes would beat harsher foes than MCU Thor would, but he's a hard counter for Supes.
>>81912312
I thought the thing with Superman wasn't that he was weak to magic, just that he had no special defense against it. So a magic lightning bolt would be the same as getting hit with a regular lightning bolt, but magic mind control or illusions could seriously fuck him up.
>>81911987
Miles is going to be saved for SM3.
>>81912228
Miles looks pretty good when he gets out of the awkward early phase. I was bothered by the fact that he looked too much like a baby at first.
>>81912400
Yeah, he's not weak, but he has the spetial defence of a human. He'd get fried just as much as you or me by a city-pulverizing bolt, I reckon.
>>81910265
Batman was never actually trained by Ra's al-Ghul at any point.
He met him much later in his career.
>>81910529
No, he LOOKS like Ultimates Cap, but the regular Cap is only "normal" in the sense that "a human being could conceivably under absolute optimal conditions do this thing".
In addition, "Peak Human" in comics seems to be slightly above real-life peak human performance, which explains why guys like Daredevil can beat guy like Tombstone.
>>81912228
Kind of like Miles more than Ultimate Spidey and that says a lot.
also
>>81912456
>>81911948
Saw the movie, he's pretty strong. Someone drops one of those airplane walkway things on him and he holds it up somewhat.
>>81912521
>maintenance weight of 1100lbs.
How the fuck is that even remotely human?
>>81912283
>standing on his toes
That can't be good.
>>81912677
The real-life deadlift record is over 6200lbs actually. The human body is capable of some pretty fucking insane feats of physical strength.
That said, in real life physical build and the KIND of lifting you're doing matter as much as the theoretical amount you can lift as different kinds of lifts use different muscles and such.
But that's something we should overlook, what with punching people in brightly colored tights being an actual legitimate for of affecting positive social change in the comics, which is so far from reality that it can't even see what reality looks like anymore.
>>81912831
And for the record? Heaviest Bench Press on Earth is 1102lbs.
And Cap IS supposed to be
>>81912521
Peak human means achieving ALL feats done by people who devote their entire lives to one specific field (marathon running, power lifting, agility) without any drawbacks.
And because you get all the benefits without drawbacks they compound with each other
>Amazing stamina when power lifting
>Strong muscles without additional weight slowing you down or tiring you faster
With that you can do above human feats.
At least that's how I see it
>>81912998
Also, peak would've meant a different thing in the 30's, when the records were all lower. That means that current records are not necessarily representative of the "peak", meaning he can be faster than the fastest regular guy alive today.
>>81910183
He want focused on fighting Superman when he was up against KGBeast, and he got fucking shit in the head and would've died if it wasn't for the cowl.
He also goes down while failing to fight off regular soldiers in the Knightmare sequence.
>>81910265
>all forms of media
Too bad we're talking about the current Cinematic versions
>>81912998
Yeah, pretty much.
Nothing Cap does exceeds human limits, but nobody can do EVERYTHING Cap does at the same time.
Batman is probably as close as you can get to being as strong and as fast and as agile as Cap without going through some kind of steroid regimen like Cap did.
So they're RELATIVELY in par, but Cap has a distinct physical advantage.
Interestingly, Kingpin in the comics was portrayed as being a challenging foe yo Cap because he was nearly (or equally) as strong and his blows actually did more damage and he could lift/break larger objects, not because he was stronger but because he was six inches taller and 200lbs heavier so he seemed to hit that much harder, especially combined with his alarming physical speed for his size.
>>81911987
Fuck off, Bendis!
>>81913196
His point is especially lousy as Bucky is Cap's physical equal (they mention Zola experimenting on him) and has his cybernetic arm, while as far as we currently know DCCU Batman has no connections to the League of Assassins at all.
>>81911848
Batman has no shield, and yet, Deadshot hasn't killed him.
>guy trained in literally all the martial arts and not afraid to fight dirty
>really strong dude
WHO WINS
The price of freedom is high, but it's a price I'm willing to *batarang to the eye socket*
>>81910265
>Batman would take this in all forms of media.
Silly Batfags at it again.
>>81913391
Apparently the price is also proper punctuation and grammar. Which really makes you look more like an idiot or a troll, neither of which are going to be taken seriously.
>>81913391
>Half of the martial arts in the world are only for show and really shit in a real combat environment
>>81913391
>really strong dude
No one should really take you seriously from this point on.
>>81912454
They better fucking not.
There's still so much we havent seen with Peter. Especially with the sheer amount of source material. Miles has like 5 years of books compared to Peter's 40+
>>81911414
In the comics they say it makes Cap mentally peak as well.
Look it up.
>>81913560
You know, my coach tells me that the more you actually LEARN about hitting people the more you learn that ultimately most "styles" of fighting end up looking exactly the same because of the basic limitations of the human form; every person has the exact same structural weaknesses, and there's only so many ways to throw a punch or kick that work.
That's why a lot of those MMA guys that practice two or three styles kind of look like they all practiced at the same place; they're just doing what amounts to actually effective fighting and cutting out all the bullshit between.
>>81912521
>>81912831
No, it's actually under 1200 pounds.
The 1100 pound bench is once, with a 3 inch range of motion, with a bench press shirt, by an athlete who trained specifically for this. In Cap's case, he just got under the bar without warming up and started pressing 1100 pounds.
Keep in mind: human in terms of the real world and human in terms of the Marvel Comics universe are completely different.
In the Marvel Universe, the most a person can lift while still being considered as having a human level strength is 800 pounds lifted above the head in a press movement. This is not humanly possible (for real life humans).
This is also as a result of Captain America being totally maxed in every attribute in the comics - ordinary comic humans like the Kingpin and Eddie Brock can't even reach this level. According to the OHOTMU, Eddie Brock can lift 700 pounds above his head (once again, impossible even with a clean jerk for real life humans) and the Kingpin can lift 650 pounds above his head.
tl;dr - Cap is stronger than any MU human and MU humans can do way more than IRL humans in every way
>>81913636
One of the issues I have with adapting Spidey to films is that a lot of his storylines totally loose their impact if you cut them down into a movie's runtime.
It's a pretty expected flaw though so it doesn't really bother me unless I dwell on it and think about it too much.
>>81910265
>>81913484
>Grammar Nazi defending Captain America
>>81913560
Don't even need half the marital arts in the world when you're actually experienced and know how to end a fight. Cap has coasted by on his good looks against jobbers. Wow Batroc the Leaper lol, dude lost to Bucky too lmao
>>81913581
Cap has always been peak human as in plus 1 every Olympic record and you have Cap. Bats would wreck his red white and blue shit
>>81910017
I'm more impressed by the clip where he kicks the front end of a truck or hummer and it slides so hard that the guy on the other side of it who is hit gets sent flying 30 feet through the air
>>81910252
the problem is that Cap's portrayed as a normal person and Supes is portrayed as a god. When Cap does something admirable it's because he's a decent human being who happens to have super powers. When DCEU Supes does something we have to have some stupid Jesus symbolism thrown in there to make the audience remember that Superman is very very powerful. DCEU Supes isn't even a person anymore, he's some creepy paternalistic alien that is wholly defined by his powers.
>>81912873
>>81912831
Are you fucking retarded? The deadlift record is barely over 500 kg, or about 1100 lbs
Jesus christ nigga. People can't lift 3 fucking tons you mong. Do you also believe humans can fly and shoot laser beams?
The bench record is about 300 kg, 700 lbs
>>81913710
That's what I learned when I was doing Tae Kwon Do too. Our instructor also teaches MMA fighting, and he always makes a point with some forms or moves he teaches about whether or not you should be using that shit in a "real" fight.
Ultimately my self-defense strategy in a fight just comes down to
>Step one: Pick one of the following:
>eye gouge
>palm strike to nose
>knife-hand to hyoid bone
>kick groin
>kick knee
>Step two: run like hell
>>81913837
Love your references and evidence. So extensive and convincing, really.
I don't think I've ever heard "NUH-UH!" ever said with such conviction or with such heavy contextual relevance and evidence supporting it.
Really, good job.
>>81909786
Whoever your mind thinks would win, Anon.
Batman if he had preptime like he did in BvS
Otherwise Cap would wreck him
>>81913837
>Be This Fucking Stupid
>>81912007
Strange solves the problem in 10mins then goes home
>>81913868
He's talking about Paul Anderson, which means he's not precisely WRONG, but he doesn't understand the context or physical mechanics involved probably.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Anderson_(weightlifter)
>>81913877
My instructor had a different routine:
>aim
>shoot
>>81913948
> if he had preptime
Fucking hell. Not directed at you per say but Batman is the only character that people do this for.
>>81914002
I live in a state with hilariously stupid gun control laws, good luck trying to get a carry permit within a year.
>>81913993
>weight lifted slightly off trestles
>no witnesses
What is this even?
>>81914069
Check these freedubs
>>81914108
Yeah, I know.
Context is pretty important when looking up weight lifting shit, especially since "can lift it" isn't the same thing as "is functional while carrying it and can lift it easily and at will".
Then again, comic book writers don't understand that shit either so who the fuck knows.
>>81913857
Directorial choice in order to build contrast between perception and reality but because said director is god awful he forgot to do the whole "he's just a regular joe underneath" and conflated realism with being a whiny pissant.
>>81913847
He threw a bike.
Even as far as The First Avenger, with all its camp and understated action, showed he could lift a bike with three buxom babes on it with no effort.
>>81914056
It's pretty annoying.
That said it does at least mildly apply with Cap, since ultimately Cap is still human compared to guys like Superman. If Batman's plan involved never actually fighting him at all and instead trapping him in a roof filled with gas that slowed Cap's reflexes and sapped his strength while Bat's used a rebreather, that's actually fairly believable.
I hate it when "prep time" translates by lazy-ass writers to "and then Batman starts punching him", when fighting someone who is vastly your physical superior on HIS terms is literally the opposite of what strategy is about. Then again, most writers are imbiciles and it's likely hard to write a character outwitting another when you don't even know what wit looks like at all.
>>81914237
I said before the first Captain America came out that Captain America would be the hardest person to adapt to the big screen because even comic writers struggle to straddle the line of making him inspiring without being preachy or boring. But I was wrong, clearly it's harder to make a Superman movie in today's world.
I don't get it, it supposed Caps is a super-soldier bla bla bla, but he couldn't beat a breakdancer-spy in the boat in WS ...
>>81914435
You mean Georges St-Pierre, the greatest fighter that ever lived?
>>81914435
Cap kind of handicapped himself by throwing aside his shield, but even with the slightly longer time, he still beat Batroc pretty handily.
>>81914435
What are you talking about? He beat the shit out of Batroc. He even threw his shield and mask away to make it a fairer fight.
>>81914435
He beat the shit out of Bartoc. He just got away because Widow was stealing shit and Bartoc used a grenade as distraction.
>>81914435
>Low Energy Bait
>>81909786
Bats would make Cap laugh to death.
>>81914402
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Anderson_(weightlifter)
He also outran a speeding car and caught up to it. Granted the horsepower of the cars back then are pretty mediocre but it is still an impressive feat.
>>81914426
It's not that it's harder, it's that one had much better writing and the other had massive editorial interference from the director and the studio (seriously, go online and read about WB's studio problems right now, they aren't even related to comics films and they're hugely problematic) while Marvel was a bit more organized and tightly controlled.
>>81914507
>>81914508
>>81914517
>>81914588
this scene makes me noise cause Caps BTFO another spy with just one kick before ...
>>81914435
>>81914508
Yeah, Batroc did pretty well after surprising Cap, and then Cap basically took his dare and took him down in under a minute.
So Batroc's impressive because he managed to go a whole minute without loosing, which is not the same as "fighting evenly".
>>81909976
He's easily the smartest Bat we've had in live action thus farexcept maybe Bruce in Gotham, haven't watched it so I don't know
>>81909786
Could go 50/50 without prep time. Cap is human and is more in your face fighter while Batman could subvert him with tricks like smoke and knockout gas etc, especially at night. With preptime Batman 100%.
>>81913868
>he can't fly and shoot lasers
pfft, what a loser
>>81913837
are you mentally damaged?
>>81914800
>He's easily the smartest Bat we've had in live action thus far
Second smartest at best.
>>81909786
Cap would beat him to death.
>>81915070
Well, we can't ALL be perfect
>>81913929
>>81913956
>>81915034
>still literally no arguments
Americans, everyone
Bats. He almost fucking killed an alien god by himself. Cap wouldn't of stood a chance.
>>81914740
That's what I like about Batroc. I think in one comic or something Batroc says he gets hired because while he can't beat Cap, he's just something Cap can hit, buying whatever needed time.
>>81915299
Nah, it's just really not worth my time to argue with some Europoor who's IQ doesn't go past the single digits.
Cap track record
>beat up Hydra mooks
>couldnt beat Red Skull, the man kilt himself
>almost knocked off helicarrier by random Loki controlled guy with gun
>recked Batroc the jobber
>aliens would have mobbed his ass if tony and widow werent there
>cowered in fear from chaingun wielding man
>lost "on purpose" to bucky
>got toyed with by ultron
Batman track record
>kicked Supermans ass
>doesnt get knocked off helicarrier by gun wielding guy
speaks for itself
If it's just an out of the blue fight, Cap wins easily. If Batman has any idea the fight is going to happen, he'd outsmart Cap pretty easily.
>>81915486
>Batman track record
>>kicked Supermans ass
lol
If Supes was actually trying he would have annihilated Batman.
>>81915648
B-B-But muh prep time!
>>81914056
I'd love a story where Batman fights other league members only to find out they also have plans to take him out. Like the war room in Atlantis having plans for every superhero
>>81910493
This Bleach?
>>81915486
You cant say you kicked someone's ass when the other guy is actively trying not to kill you.
>>81915727
There should be a Batman story where EVERYONE Has plans to take EVERYONE else out. And all those plans go off, simultaneously.
>>81915872
There should be a Batman story where he forgets all of his plans.
>>81915786
Actually you can. The other persons apprehension is their weakness in battle. It doesnt mean you are stronger than them but it does mean you could defeat them because of that weakness.
wouldn't apply to cap though. cap would just beat the fucking piss out of batman.
>>81909786
Cap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txDqjuqRK5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENPqK-39Qg
>>81911222
Lets ee now, Bats has been at it for 20 years and based on what's been shown already and rumors we know that Death in the family and possibly The Killing Joke has happened and he most likely went though Nightfall meaning he fucking fought Bane.
This ain't Nolanbats where he fought like two people from his Rouges gallery and called it quits, this Batman has been around and been through some shit.
>>81911370
>I've put up with that excuse twice now.
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>81910166
Oooooooooh, so we're bringing in sidekicks. In that case, Snyderbat is super fucked.
>>81913877
Which is funny since Bruce Lee said this shit ages ago , Jeet Kune Do was basically from his philosophy that shit like Katas don't work in real life fights.
>>81918049
Pretty sure Nightwing exists in Batfleck verse.
Only delusional Batfags would think movie Bats is able to beat movie Cap.
>>81910252
>>81913857
>>81914237
MEN are brave:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2sPHpou98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwblesBU8Ts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHF2Qb-C9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF5NMJu9TVE
>>81911801
Supes oneshots him.
>>81915947
There should be a story where batman has plans to take on the entire league, but villains find them out. It turns out however that they were fake plans, as batman had ready prepared for villains stealing his prep.
>>81916128
Their weakness isn't your strength however.
Saying I beat an MMA fighter because he just didn't want to kill some pasty kid doesn't mean I am strong.
So your argument renders itself moot
>>81910017
Are people this fucking retarded that they don't understand how gravity works?
Anything with more force than Cap's weight would automatically pick him up, that means that helicopter is using less than ~230lbs of force, wow SO strong.
>>81918477
>Crashes a plane he has full control of even though it's over a frozen wasteland
Why didn't he circle around a few times and at least try to land safely? What a dumb cunt
>>81918644
>Saying I beat an MMA fighter because he just didn't want to kill some pasty kid doesn't mean I am strong.
Doesn't matter who is strong. The argument was whether batman kicked supermans ass or not. He did. The reasoning behind it doesnt matter. who is stronger doesn't matter. One guy defeated the other one in combat. That is what happened. If you decide to hop form 'batman didn't defeat superman' to 'batman isn't as strong as superman' you are moving goal posts.
>>81918904
no time peggy
>>81918904
He didn't hve full control of the Valkyrie.
The controls were damaged, the plane was flying itself to bomv the States.
He could override the pilot to bring it down, but not control its flight.
>>81909786
Cap, MCU cap is superhuman , Batman is an old guy. If comics Cap and Bats are equal, than Mcu Cap wrecks movie Bats.
>>81918751
Troll or stupid? Take your bets!
>>81919006
>doesn't matter
Yes it does lad. Because one opponent I fought was weak it doesn't mean all will be.
Next you will tell me Batman can beat Darkseid because he will explore Darkseid's emotional weaknesses. There is no such fucking thing as the opponent's weakness being your strength, because it is fleeting, one opponent might have exploitable flaws but one might not.
Does Batman have a kryptonite-equivalent gainst Captain America's serum? Does he have the plot armor of Cap not wanting to kill him?
If a trait is not part of a character it's not his strength. Exploiting it? Sure. But Batman's plan didn't even really count on it outside of a meta level.
>Strength
Bats = Cap
Batman is peak human strength and it's noted not only in his work-out scene but the severity of his power when fighting thugs. Cap was a child-twig who was raised to peak human strength with the SS serum and it's also noted in his melee sequences.
>Fighting Skill
Batman = Cap
This Batman seems to greatly outperform any human enemy to the point where he seems like a monster fighting children, requiring multiple enemies which still doesn't make it a fair fight, and even able to dodge bullets and deal with guns at close range. Cap does struggle against Bucky and the hired Mercenary, but he is also able to fight off multiple trained soldiers in an elevator. Batman may edge out Cap in technique/skill alone.
>Athleticism
Batman < Cap
We see Batman able to dodge bullets and avoid being disintegrated in the Doomsday fight, but we don't see his athletic prowess on his feet. Cap has been seen jumping out of buildings, running on roofs, parkour running through ships and buildings and even performing acrobatic aerial attacks.
>Intelligence
Batman > Cap
Batman is Batman. He is able to carry on a secret identity, designs plans to steal from Lex Luthor 3 times, and to defeat Superman. Cap has strategic military training.
>Resources
Batman > Cap
Billionaire with tech vs a defunct military organization with a shield.
>Ethics
Batman ? Cap
Batman is implied to have become cruel even ruthless, but he is also shown to change this instantly. Cap always seems to be looking out for the common people, but he's also shown to have suicidal tendencies ("martyrdom"). Both believe their way is the right way.
>>81919362
>Yes it does lad. Because one opponent I fought was weak it doesn't mean all will be.
Not saying that. Stop moving the fuckin goal posts. This was the initial statement.
>You cant say you kicked someone's ass when the other guy is actively trying not to kill you.
That was it. That was what I disagreed with. And i replied with the following.
>Actually you can. The other persons apprehension is their weakness in battle. It doesnt mean you are stronger than them but it does mean you could defeat them because of that weakness.
>wouldn't apply to cap though. cap would just beat the fucking piss out of batman.
You would note (if you weren't constantly moving the goal posts to act like were suddenly talking about who is more capable or strong in general) that I outright stated it doesnt mean batman is stronger, and also that cap would beat the piss out of batman. My point, the only point was that you can in fact say you kicked someones ass if you did so due to them actively not trying to kill you. Because that was a weakness in that battle on their part which Batman exploited. Therefore he kicked supermans ass because he exploited that weakness. Pay fucking attention next time man.
>>81920204
>Cap was a child-twig who was raised to peak human strength with the SS serum and it's also noted in his melee sequences.
Cap is above peak human strength in the mcu.
>>81920204
>Batman equal in strength to Cap
Into the trash it goes. I don't even need to glance at the rest to know this is written by a batfag.
>>81919247
>"le ~200lbs man cannot be lifted by 2000+lbs of force"
Found the idiot.
>>81920204
>Strength
>Bats = Cap
>>81918751
>Anything with more force than Cap's weight would automatically pick him up, that means that helicopter is using less than ~230lbs of force, wow SO strong.
....caps holding on to something with his other hand you fucking shmuck.
>>81920357
Prove me wrong, faggot.
Oh, wait, you're a marveldrone who isn't actually gathering their opinions from what is shown in the movies, just riding that mutilated jew Didney dick, right?
>>81920469
I stand corrected. I recall the helicopter scene, but not him anchoring himself.
in an arm wrestling match Cap would probably win cause he's a super soldier roid monkey.
but in a real fight to the death with or without the bat suit and shield. i put my money on the bat every time.
>>81918049
Superman is basically Batfleck's sidekick now.
>>81920533
>Cap raises a motor cycle with two women over his head with ease
>Cap throws a motor cycle in AoU
>Cap drop kicks a person with full gear 30 feat away
>Cap kicks a truck so hard that when it hits a guy goes flying
You're so retarded that you even proved in your own fucking post that Cap has superior strength than Batman.
>Cap has been seen jumping out of buildings, running on roofs, parkour running through ships and buildings and even performing acrobatic aerial attacks.
If Batman is on equal strength with Cap then why can't he perform those?
Surely if they are on equal strength Batman can jump those buildings too since his weight won't matter
>>81920204
>Strength and Athleticism are two different categories
Found the retard
>>81920533
Holy shit, batfags just go.
>>81920533
Captain America catches a FUCKING CAR that's falling with one hand, and keeps himself, and the car that he's holding, up with only one arm.
>>81920834
>I don't understand how athleticism works
>a power lifter can jump farther than a long jumper and perform better on the floor exercise than a gymnast because he's stronger
>strength trumps all right guys?
Found the fucking physically impaired nerd.
>>81920533
Cap has:
Lifted a bike with three buxom ladies above his head
Forced a heavy sealed door open with his bare hands
Jumped a couple of stories high without any kind of assistance
Jumped from a plane into the ocean without a parachute
Jumped from several stories high into the ground with minimum to no damage
Kicked and punched people so hard they are sent flying several meters in the direction of the hit
Severed the arm of an alien with just his shield
Tore the head of Ultron robots barehanded
Bash a van with his shield with enough force to embed it on the sidea
Bash Ultron bots with the shield with enough force to cut them in half
Fought an Asgardian and to hand, who are way stronger than humans
Fought several advanced robotic AIs, again more durable than humans
Fought Bucky, an enhanced human like him with cybernetic arm
Lifted a several tons suport beam with nothing but his hands to get a person trapped underneath out
Casually split a large chunk of log with just his hands
Stopped a helicopter from taking off with just his hands
Has kept with speeding vehicles on foot
Kicked a lare SUV with enough force to move it several feet to knock out the mook hiding behind it
Threw a motorcycle at the enemy
Cap beats the shit out of Batman in stenght feats.
>>81920742
Is this without gadgets too?
Still betting on Cap because of the SS serum
>>81909786
>Without the Bat-Armour
Cap, hands down.
>With the Bat-Armour
Maybe Batman.
>>81909786
Cap, too strong, too tough. DCEU bats is old.
>>81909786
Cap.
Where's your Kryptonite now Bruce?
>>81920969
Stop looking at the mirror. Also: >>81921063
>>81921031
Nice argument. Fuck off and let your betters discuss the issue at hand.
>>81921055
He also climbed back onto solid ground after the ground beneath him caved in because of the car with just one hand, because he was holding the woman from said car in his other arm.
>>81921063
You said they are on equal levels of strength
Cap holds down Helicopters, held a car in AoU and kicks trucks with ease in CW.
If Batman has the same strength as you say, how come Bats can't jump like Cap?
Unless, hear me out, this might sound crazy to you, CAP IS STRONGER
>>81921176
You do realize that motorcycle has to weigh less than Cap considering he's airborne when he throws it?
>>81921149
Do you mean the BatAmror he used against Supes?
Because by all acounts, Tony's armor didn't mean shit when Steve and him went to town in Civil War.
>>81914069
God bless you, Todd Ziller.
>>81911801
MCU Thor is weak as shit.
Superman wins.
>>81921282
You do realize this is COMIC BOOK SUPERHEROES
>>81921211
Oh wait, shit. I get it.
You don't actually believe everything you're saying do you? You're trolling. The lack of actual evidence on your part, the divisive words and deliberately poor and inaccurate math slanting shit in your favor.
Goddamn dude, you got me but good. Kudos. I was like, really convinced there for this entire thread. Fuck. I must be getting old if you can hook me like that.
>>81913391
Batfags, everyone
>>81914056
I hate this so much.
If the only way your character could beat another character is if they literally had hours or maybe even days to prepare for the battle using their limitless bank of resources while the other character, I guess, just sits there twiddling their thumbs then they can't fucking win against that character.
Marvel Cinematic Universe Captain America wins
Comic main timeline Captain America wins
>>81921282
He's using the strength in his legs to push down while he pulls up the motorcycle with his supper body.
>>81921230
>how come Bats can't jump like Cap
You seem a little fucking retarded, even after I've already explained it once so let me try one last time in hopes you're not entirely brain dead: Do you think the world record holder for squatting (that's a leg exercise focusing on pushing weight off the ground) can jump higher than the NBA's current record holder for highest vertical jump? Do you think the NBA guy can squat more than the squat-record holder?
>>81920204
>Strength
>Bats = Cap
Stopped reading already since you clearly didn't actually read the OP.
>>81915648
Tell that to Zod's snapped neck.
>>81921282
His forward momentum compensates for it.
Before: cap and cycle travel forward as one unit
Then he throws the cycle, imparting his momentum to it
After: cap is stationary, cycle is flying fast enough to wreckt Nazis
>>81911801
This isn't even a fair fight, black widow could probably fuck up MCU Thor.
>>81912312
>>81912005
Why do you keep making this a thing? The fucking director of Thor 2 said it was all tech, so your little fanon isn't reality. They went out of their way to make their "magic" look as sci-fi and tech based looking as possible for a reason.
>>81921357
>I cant provide an actual argument so I'll just accuse you of le trolling
>I'm so clever he he
Didn't I already tell you to fuck off?
I cant wait till i get to see civil war. Just so i can point out how mcu black panther can kick batmans ass just like 616 panther can kick comic batmans ass.
>>81921282
>I have no argument so I'm going to inject real world physics into a movie about fictional superheroes to try and gain some sort of intellectual victory.
>>81921434
Well, regardless Cap is record holder in both things. Cap can perform every physical feat at the level of the highest accomplishment a human being has ever done, no matter what activity. That's basically his power, along with a crapload of fighting experience.
Batman's definitely got the edge in other practical skills though; resources and planning and environment control before a fight type stuff. Cap's assets are all physical and mental; skills and athletics and combat ability and the like. Batman's got a way more diverse array of skills.
>>81921282
That didn't answer my rhetorical question.
>>81921434
You are working under the assumption Cap only has strength like a power lifter. He doesn't. His body simply works better than any natural human being can. It's why he can run so fast despite also being able to jump incredible heights and lift incredible weight, and outright break shit he hits that no human being could break. What do normal human beings who excel in one area of physicality have to do with what cap can do?
>>81921510
Relax dude, you totally won. This whole thread man, it's pretty solid work.
It's not "le trolling", it's legitimate high-quality stuff with polish and finesse. You never overplay yourself, you let everyone else work themselves up, keep it short and simple, it's great shit.
It's honestly a lot better then nearly all of the shit I see on 4chan these days dude.
>>81921511
Yeah, but regrettably Bats will still get more widespread appeal over T'Challa.
>>81921492
>Why do you keep making this a thing? The fucking director of Thor 2 said it was all tech
where? ive heard this before but i honestly never recalled seeing this.
>muh prep time
>this fight's only fair if batman gets unlimited time and unlimited resources and knowledge of all the other character's weaknesses to prepare a convoluted plan to defeat them beforehand!
>>81921434
But you're saying that they have the same strength since Cap doesn't play basketball and is heavy because of muscles all he's using is raw strength to jump, so why can't Batman?
>>81921601
Dvd commentary track of thor 2.
>>81921103
lets just say Steven Rogers and Bruce Wayne are both complete naked.
Bruce is a ninja. he would throw sand-kick below the belt whatever it takes.
Steve is still an good match. and would try his best to keep up, because his military training.
combat experience from world war 2. it would be a good fight.
but i mean batman is a ninja assassin. if anything batman's training and mentality is designed to specifically..to give him the edge over stronger/faster possibly even super humans.
imo batman wins the naked fight to the death fight 8 out of 10 times.
>>81921434
Do you know that Cap's power is actually being capable of performing both and not get tired?
Cap beats the shit out of Batman in stenght and agility.
>>81921475
His forward momentum only compensates his own weight at the speed of which it was traveling. If the bike weighed more than that, Cap would need to be grounded to exert enough force to compensate for the bikes additional weight.
>>81921599
Not with black people. Seriously though I am genuinely waiting to see how the black public reacts when they get to see T'Challa just wrecking fuckers like the most bad ass mother fucker on the planet, outrunning captain america, beating the piss out of bucky, and shredding goddamn vibranium.
This october I guarantee you Black panther is gonna be the costume little black kids wear more than any other and as a guy who likes that character its gonna make me smile.
>>81921511
Don't get too pumped.
My guess is T'Challa won't be doing much inventing or planning, the cast is too crowded as it is you know?
Also, reading his original miniseries in Jungle Action (I only ever read Priest's run) apparently according to Jack Kirby the T in his name is silent; his name is pronounced "Challa".
Probably one of those "lost in translation" things, like Beast's fur color not supposed to be blue originally.
>>81921634
>he thinks technique beats strength in the real world
There's a reason all fighting sports are divided by weight class.
>>81921634
Now you have to provide evidence that Affleck's Bruce is trained by Ra's al-Ghul. Without that your claim is based on an assumption that's only true in the previous films and isn't even accurate in the comics.
>>81921696
Mass is the great equalizer.
You can be the strongest fucker alive but mass always wins, since it is an even greater factor then speed in determining force.
>>81921303
Then the Iron man armor is dogshit in comparison. Batmans armor can take punches from Superman . Cap is nowhere near Supermans power
>>81909786
I'm a Batfag, but in a straight fist fight Cap would dominate.
>>81921629
I listened to that actually. And i dont recall that but one thing i do recall is Hiddelston reffering outright to what loki does as magic he learned from his mother which is why they show Freya using the same illusion power against Malekith.
In fact in a deleted scene its even called 'magic' by thor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IoAqxBcCdw
>>81921774
>Batmans armor can take punches from Superman
From a weakened Superman who's not even trying. And even then it got fucked up.
>>81921634
>anything batman's training and mentality is designed to specifically..to give him the edge over stronger/faster possibly even super humans
Not even what "ninja assassin" training is, even in the comic books. In Marvel? Yeah, kinda. Especially with The Hand. Frank Miller loved his Lone Wolf and Cub.
>>81921774
It really doesn't. It could talke punches of kryptonite gas weakened punches.
And once the effect wore off Supes started destroying it until Bats doubled down ob the gas doses and brought out the spear.
>>81911920
Nah, more likely Thor and WW will make sweet, sweet love instead of fight.
>>81921805
yup, what I really wanna see it Bats v Winter Soldier
Batman would probably win though
>>81921878
They'd made a decent couple actually.
Lots in common.
>>81921696
Often the lower weight classes have some of the most entertaining fights.
id say technique wins over strength as often as a mans courage holds out longer than his opponent.
>>81911551
>Afflecks performace was great, I loved the way he looked, I loved the way he played it, but his blind vendetta against superman makes him a fucking moron
That's the sad part. He was great and he played the role amazingly well. But the script fucked everyone sideways. Was there any character that actually came out actually good? Maybe Alfred but the age difference really made me question what happened with that.
>>81921806
People just cling to the magic=science line without acutally understanding it in the context of the movies.
That said, I still don't think the magitek gives Thor any edge and he is defeated in the long run.
It's not a curb stomp battle like so many claim, but MCU Thor loses in the end.
>>81921930
>Often the lower weight classes have some of the most entertaining fights.
Totally agreed, because TKO allows for a lot more variability in scores and tactics.. But being "entertaining" isn't the same as being "effective", especially since lighter fighters tend to win by score, not by knockout.
>id say technique wins over strength as often as a mans courage holds out longer than his opponent.
Courage is not a force multiplier in combat, hand to hand or otherwise.
That's a pretty basic law of thermodynamics thing.
It's not E=MC2xC.
>>81921872
All those syntax errors and typos.
Fuck, I hate my phone.
>>81921774
>Batmans armor can take punches from Superman
Superman was pulling his punches you tard. If he wanted to kill Bruce he would've rushed him at super-sonic speed and cracked his neck.
>>81921762
>mass always wins, since it is an even greater factor then speed in determining force
Speed and force aren't directly related, though.
ENERGY and speed are, by KE = 1/2mv^2.
Force is based on Newton's second law: Fnet=ma
Which means how much force you exert on something when you hit it depends on how much energy you punched with and how fast you discharge that energy (how fast your fist stops, ie acceleration).
>>81921535
>>81921575
>>81921637
Movie-verse, guys. Otherwise we could sit here all night going over each one's skill set, accomplishments and the one time they outsmarted the smartest guy in the universe and became gods and what not.
>>81921696
Not that guy, but yeah, it's because strength becomes a factor once both competitors are of equal skill. Take your fatass back to powerlifting general and keep pretending you wouldn't get your ass handed to you by a 150lbs twink bjj black belt, just because you lift lmao4pl8.
>>81918751
Someone didn't see the trailer.
>>81920365
Watch the trailer, moron. Cap had the landing strut of the chopper in one hand, and the edge of the platform it was taking off from in the other. He wasn't just standing on the ground and holding onto it.
>>81922052
In that case, movie verse BatFleck gets pretty much nothing under his belt because he's been around less time then the last time my cat took a shit.
The matchup isn't even; Cap's visibly done all this cool shit on-screen and Affleck's done A movie's worth of stuff, a lot of it assisted by a suit of armor.
Eh most likely Cap due to super strength. They are probably close to equal in terms of skill but I'd give the edge to Batman. But even with Batman's fighting skill, he'd still be overpowered in a hand to hand.
Batman is good because he is tactical. He needs prep time, as well as being able to use the environment to his advantage. Batman is more of a ninja, per say. He needs to be stealthy and ambush people, so he's not so great in straight hand to hand against people with more power than him.
Without Cap's MCU super strength, Batman would beat him.
>>81921957
oh yeah no. Thor would get his fucking ass kicked.
>>81918049
America Sentai Captaingers
VS
A Butler and A Corpse
>>81922119
yeah. Basically it's why people are saying this is such an unfair fight. Nothing batman has been shown doing can measure up to the crazy shit mcu cap has been shown.
>>81922052
>bjj
I'd never lose to anyone that practices a meme martial art.
>>81922052
>Take your fatass back to powerlifting general and keep pretending you wouldn't get your ass handed to you by a 150lbs twink bjj black belt, just because you lift lmao4pl8.
>all this projecting
I'm a skinny distance runner, m8. I just realize that no amount of martial arts technique will stop a person with basic fighting skills and a huge strength advantage from tearing apart a weaker opponent.
I probably shouldn't have brought it up though, because martial arts magic actually works in comic books.
>>81910391
Except for the fact the jet was shooting at him and Cap avoided it.
>>81922138
>Without Cap's MCU super strength, Batman would beat him.
of course, without the SS serum I could beat Cap's twig ass
>>81922138
Cap seems to rely more on his super strength and probably has little more than military hand-to-hand training. Black Widow is the one who seems to be the best fighter in the MCU.
Batman clearly has various forms of hand-to-hand combat training as seen in his melee scenes.
>>81910581
Except he wasn't talking about Batman, he was talking about Batman's plane.
>>81921906
>They'd made a decent couple actually.
Lots in common.
Their broods win genetic lottery, obviously.
The children of WW/Thor will be absurdly drop dead gorgeous. With flowing blonde and thick black hairs.
>>81911848
And Cap can adjust the shield to cover those areas faster than Deadshot can aim at them. Shields move, moron.
>>81911229
It wasn't really nothing, Batfleck barely kept from screaming when he was hit.
>>81922207
Sure, m8.
http://youtu.be/kjFp1R5klo4
>>81921906
>>81922270
So Norse and Greek Pantheons will merge?
>WW and Thor's kids have a Three-headed Fenris pet
>>81911121
Yeah, dumber.
>>81922214
I think the implication is that comic Cap is more in line with human limitations and that movie Cap is slowly escaping the limits of human ability.
>>81922138
My response is that if WB wants to compete they should have showcased more of Batman's prep-time skills. Have him lead Superman through a bloody labyrinth BEFORE you have him pull out the Kryptonite. Movie Batman ain't no prep-time expert.
>>81911647
And it was all raw strength and speed, no special martial skill.
>>81911800
Alfred made a point of saying the suit had much more armor than it used to.
>>81922325
Could it be said that MCU "Peak Human" is more like Peak Human Genetic capability? like after several generations of Eugenics and genetic manipulation Cap is the end product?
>>81922300
>Body builder
>Strong
Nope
>Body builder
>Basic fighting skill
And nope
>>81922226
Hes also incredibly fast. And hand to hand...he does that shit. I mean he held his own and even got an advantage on Winter soldier during the highway fight despite the guy he was facing having, guns, knives, a fucking bionic arm who has also genetically been modified to be a superior soldier and trained as a goddamn assassin.
Batman in BvS is shown (when out of his suit) taking down a handful of mercenaries none of whom look like they would stand a chance against Cap either.
Batmans a badass in that movie but I don't get people honestly thinking that dude is gonna take down a guy who has consistently fought aliens, robots, other super soldiers, and military dudes probably trained in the same way the only guys batman is shown fighting outside of his robo suit.
>>81911403
He was stabbed once and shot in the head twice.
>>81911414
Someone hasn't seen avengers, Age of Ultron and Winter Soldier yet.
>>81910384
>jet
>hand to hand
>>81922226
>Cap seems to rely more on his super strength and probably has little more than military hand-to-hand training. Black Widow is the one who seems to be the best fighter in the MCU.
The fuck gave you this impression? Winter soldier solidifies him as being way faster than her in hand-to-hand.
>>81922359
I think people need to toss the term 'peak human' when referring to mcu cap altogether. Cos it doesn't really apply.
>>81911801
BvS finally gave him a feat of speed, so Superman.
>>81910493
>captain america vs batman
>not company wars
u wot?
>>81912005
And what evidence do you have that magic is a problem for DCEU Superman? Oh right, none, because magic hasn't been seen yet.
>>81922408
It would seem people have only seen The First Avenger, which was unstilled 40s camp and not very concerned with realistic hand to hand combat.
>>81922409
For me at least "Peak Human" is a super power
He maxes out all human capabilities without weakening other aspects (Give up speed for strength)
>>81922408
Russos also said in the movie commentary that his fighting skills got better in TWS because he was trained by SHIELD between movies.
He's obviously really skilled in hand to hand, you can see it clearly when he takes over the Lemurian Star.
Batman has beaten Superman and has too much intelligence to be beaten by a B-lister like Cap.
I guess I'm just saying what you already know, so I guess I fell for some bait.
>>81922001
I mean does extra weight make your chin stronger or your brain more secure?
your eyeballs less prone to being gouged out of your head?
im pretty sure it doesn't.
>>81911467
>I think you're all forgetting that Cap got gut shot by a Chitauri
After fighting hundreds of them he got shot once? That's still a better recod than Batman. Plus that fight was in the day in an open city street, something Batman would never even attempt.
>>81922409
Capt America is not peak human. He is beyond peak human.
Even peak human can not jump over 10ft tall. That's like your vertical is above and beyond Vince Carter, and he is peak human respective to his sport (basketball).
>>81922468
Batman was so smart in BvS he was too dumb to realize he was being manipulated into trying to kill Superman.
Fuckin genius.
>>81911414
>elite WW2 super soldier
>basic Army combative
wat
>>81922480
That is why I said the term peak human doesn't really apply.
>>81915299
Anything asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence. YOU are making the claim, retard. That means when it comes to proof, YOU have to go FIRST.
>>81922484
How was he supposed to know about Lex's exact goals?
Even if he knew there were strings being pulled, he still knew Superman was a dangerous threat.
>>81922502
Yeah, i get what you are saying and i'm agree with it.
>>81911414
https://youtu.be/kZ7y3pEjNUI
>this
>basic army training
He's been working for SHIELD since he was defrosted, you can bet he got extensive training from them.
Okay i'm settling this shit once and for all.
Captain America knocked hitler out over 200 times (well go with just 200).
Hitler killed at least 6 million people.
That means Captain america is able to beat the equivolent of a guy who killed AT LEAST one billion two hundred million people.
I'm sorry batfans but in BvS Batman probably killed no more than......maybe a third of that number of people.
So yeah...cap beats batman. Do the math.
>>81922581
>I'm sorry batfans but in BvS Batman probably killed no more than......maybe a third of that number of people
>>81921063
You don't know how evidence works, do you? Batman HAS NOT DONE similar things, so you cannot logically claim he could, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO PROOF. Until Batman is actually demonstrated to have that kind of brawn, he DOES NOT have that kind of brawn, period.
Captain America wins!
>>81922207
batman would murder cap,
just like Bruce-lee wins by having superior technique.
>>81922683
That's the thing is Batman doesn't have superior technique. He has nothing on Captain America, physically. That's what makes the fight interesting. They are nearly neck and neck. You could reasonably argue either side. It's why I made this thread. Because I was bored and wondered what wasting 5 hours of people's lives would like if I used a method that had been used for the past 10+ years. I just didn't expect it to work so well every time. Every time.
Cap is stronger, faster, more durable, and has more stamina. He gets shot by Bucky a few times and still fights him off. He runs circles around Falcon without getting tired. It would go like the Batroc fight where Batman gets a couple shots in before Cap wrecks him.
>>81921674
Rodney, go to bed.
>Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face.
Batfleck doesn't stand a chance
>>81923652
It's like those "using self defense martial arts against someone with a knife" scenarios.
On demonstrations it looks good but in reality it's not the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCrulYp4uWw
>>81918477
>I'm with you, til the end of the line.
>>81911149
FUCK ALREADY
>>81909786
>TONY HALP
>*Tony halps*
>CLARK HALP
>Clark snaps Bruce's neck
>>81924134
badly meme'd
>>81912400
That's like saying I'm not weak against bullets, I just don't have any protection.
Current Batman has an ironman suit that lets him beat up Superman. Of course Batty would win.
>>81922581
>I'm sorry batfans but in BvS Batman probably killed no more than......maybe a third of that number of people.
>current cinematic versions
Wrong board friend
Spidey thinks comic Cap is just a really strong normal human. Nothing really different about him.
>>81924873
>Iron Man in the super heavy weights
>Black bolt in just heavy weights
Spidey are you drunk
>>81924873
He is just a strong human. His power is to the be the best a human can possibly be the world's best marathon runner, sprinter, long jumper and weight lifter all in one. The way you gauge his physical ability is to think of the world's best human at something. That's Captain America every time.
>>81915299
>Americans, everyone
Jokes on You, i am HUEBR.
>>81915324
In a total absurd fight
>>81919362
And its not like Caps not wanting to kill stopped his of kicking your ass, ask Bucky about it.
With prep time Batman wins. Batman always wins with prep time.
>>81910083
where do you think you are?
>>81910166
>hand to hand
>>81924245
Kryptonite does not work on Cap, Albert.
Cap still decimates Batmoron
>>81910166
Well in this case Cap gets to bring a helicarrier full of SHIELD agents and motherfucking Fury in it.
easy batman, but co is full of marvel cucks
>>81909786
The cute one.Meaning the one who's still not cute, not once was.
>>81911948
Not very. He'll soil his big boy pants, not that he has any.
>>81911948
He casually stops a punch from Bucky's metal arm like it's nothing.
>>81911948
I hope they really play up his strength. Spider-Man is ridiculously strong, he just holds back. When Doc Ock first took over his body he nearly killed a dude before realizing "holy shit Spidey REALLY holds back when fighting us."
>>81910384
>>81922405
MCU Cap soloéd a jet.
>>81909786
Current cinematic versions?
Cap wins. Easy.
See, if it was the comics, or the earlier versions of the comics, Bats would have some advantages. Namely wealth, and the element of stealth that Cap usually doesn't have.
But, MCU Cap is a very different beast from the typical Cap. And thats because the MCU Cap is more of a covert ops Cap. Its why, in the WInter Soldier, he was working as a covert ops agent for SHIELD, mirroring his role when he passed the title to Bucky. The MCU Cap is a lot more stealthy and crafty than the Cpa we're sued to.
Additioanlly, the current DCEU Batman is dumb as hell. He's not the Nolanverse "trained by ninjas" Batman. This Batman, more likely than not, is a hardened guy, whose more sued to answering problems with brute force, and some speed. But mostly force and fear.
Assuming current film incarnations, MCU Cap takes this.
>People thinking Cap would win
Wait until Civil War.
MCU cap gets rekt by several characters
>>81909786
If it's standard bats, cap all the way, if he has the bat armor I'll have to give it to bats
>>81924873
why on earth is this 60s stuff still posted as current info?
Why is it that whenever anyone uses the "prep time" argument, they seem to think only Bats gets that benefit? The other guy gets the same prep time benefit, too. Cap has the resources of the US government and SHIELD to draw from. With prep time, he would annihilate Bats.
>>81939780
Because Batman + preptime > The Universe is one of the most prolific comic book memes. To the point where most people don't even consider other characters capable of planning or strategy.
People who keep bringing up how Cap is so Strong as if Batman never fought super strong opponents before, i guess are forgetting that Batman is basically a fucking Ninja, a smart and cunning Ninja who makes sure to be three steps ahead of his enemies and has the resouces of a billionare. He's not going to go toe to toe with Cap. Trading blows he's gonna use every trick in the book to take him down . And yes there would likely be some manner of prep time involved
>>81909786
Dunno, but both of them can anal rape Ironmanlet, that's for sure.
>>81933175
DCEU Batman is clearly a fucking Ninja did you not see the first appearance in the Batsuit when he is hanging on the fucking wall and manages to dodge a cops gunfire as he disappears through the fucking ceiling , notice how he used smoke bombs against supes. Makes the thugs in the warehouse think he's coming through the front door only to come from under them, land on the nearest ledge and disarm them using some kind of electrical device before coming down to fight them.
>>81943294
Standing on furniture and going through walls does not make him a ninja. I could move an end table to the corner and stand on it like that, does that make ME a ninja?
>>81913773
Kingpin surpassed 616 Cap a long time ago. Back in the day he didnt even feel Daredevils hits and daredevil is someone who can flip a limo.
>>81943620
You're eitger really dense or didn't see the scenes anon is referring too. Either way Batman is a Ninja in just about every portrayal of him and it's safe to assume it's the same in DCEU based on what we've seen
>>81918751
If it's a really light helicopter, fully loaded with fuel, equipment, luggage and people already... then the extra 400 lbs of captain america might exceed its weight rating.
