https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/batman-v-superman-spoiler-special-with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder
"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..."
"... more than 4 or 5 lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."
I want Snyder defenders to finally shut the fuck up.
Snyder is an inspiration, if he can fail upwards through the movie industry, then maybe so can I
>>81484365
>Snyder literally cannot suspend his disbelief for more than five lines of dialogue
It actually explains so much
Not a shill, but he's kinda right when you think about it, at least in live action. It works better in Marvel movies because they don't take themselves seriously. But you have something like BvS, which is dark and serious, and it does become a bit silly.
>>81484549
Maybe adapting them into live action was a mistake from the beginning.
>>81484549
Which is exactly why they shouldn't try to enforce this no fun allowed bullshit tone.
face it /co/, capes are ridiculous, no matter if GRIMDERP or LELSORANDUMB.
>>81484549
>Marvel movies don't take themselves seriously
It shows.
>>81484407
This so hard.
>>81484549
Stop.
The aftereffects alone make their costumes dark as fuck. They don't look "silly" at all.
Plus, Snyder is basically admitting that he sucks so much as a filmmaker that he doesn't know how to make 6 lines of serious dialogue between superheroes look realistic.
Like, that's all there is to it. That's all you need to know about Zack Snyder.
>>81484549
It's already "a bit silly". Batman is literally a person who runs around dresses as a bat, throwing bat shaped boomerangs. It's silly at its core, no amount of color desaturation and references to jesus will ever change that.
>>81484549
> Don't take themselves so seriously.
I'm not so sure if Daredevil, Jessica Jones, or even CA2: Winter Soldiers aren't serious and dark enough. They hv plenty of characters in costume talking in deep conversation though....
>>81484616
It worked in the 60's
THEY ARE FUCKING COMICS FOR CHRIST SAKE!. THERE'S A GUY WITH A CLOWN MOTIF, A HALF-MAN, HALF-CROCODILE, AN INMORTAL WARRIOR...AND YOU TELL ME THAT THOSE CHARACTERS SPEAKING IN COSTUMES LIKE IT'S NORMAL IT'S WEIRD?. GOD FUCKING DAMMIT!
>>81484365
>There will be anons that defend this
I'm not even mad at Snyder. I'm mad that he has so much goddamn support.
If he doesn't have any respect for the genre, he shouldn't have anything to do with it.
>>81484809
This cunt on the left is probably the reason he's onboard.
>>81484549
Stop trying to find a right angle to defend Snyder, you apologist. There are none.
When even director with more quality like Nolan and Donner can find a heft within comic book characters. What is your excuse.
It's painfully obvious he's never been to a costume party. I like to think of super heroes as having Halloween all year long. They get to dress up, and not be themselves for awhile. Who cares if there's a dude dressed as a bat, or another dude flying with an S on his chest. They've probably seen weirder shit.
I can understand Batman not talking beyond a few lines. That's his thing, he likes to brood in silence for most part. However Superman is always talking, not to the extent of Deadpool but he likes to talk.
>>81484633
>capes should be stupid like me
>implying long dialogues are the only way to make a scene serious when you have batman and superman
HACK SNYDER
>>81484365
As long as the costumes aren't ridiculous then you can have serious dialogue.
I will say that I feel like when heroes do discuss things out of costume it does seem more dramatic
>>81484616
The DCMU was a mistake.
>>81484903
>Nolan
Those weren't cape films though.
>>81484910
They are already as stupid as you are, which is why they are pretending to be something they are not - deep.
Holy shit fuck you Snyder.
One of the best moments from season 2 of Daredevil is when Daredevil starts to interrogate Turk after interrupting his gun deal. Turk immediately surrenders and tries to talk Daredevil into letting him go. Daredevil is in full costume and clear lighting the whole time and yet it still feels incredibly natural and believable.
>>81484972
lol keep telling yourself that
Why'd he take all the God/Superman comparisons in Man of Steel and amplify them to infinity in BvS?
>>81485032
There's a difference between the two. Daredevil was written by someone who loved the character and directed by someone who's competent. Also they don't have WB (or in DD's case Marvel) constantly meddling.
>>81484365
Why does a man so obsessed with realism want to make comic book movies. Guy should become a banker or something.
>>81484616
>>81484633
>>81484645
>>81484676
>>81484695
>>81484730
>>81484903
You guys have a limited perspective. Snyder has access to things like focus groups to see what people like and dislike and he HAS to take that into account. He can't just take into consideration the fans when these movies are supposed to make over a billion dollars worldwide.
>>81484907
It's like when they don costumes at weddings and funerals.
>>81484972
Your constant denial mode really is disturbing.
I suggest you better see a shrink in the next few days.
>>81485168
> these movies are supposed to make over a billion dollars worldwide
But they don't so listening to those focus groups is useless.
I don't need excuses, I need good movies.
>>81485168
So focus groups are the reason why this film is critically reviled and underperforming at the box office? It's literally everyone else's fault but Snyder?
>>81485199
Dumbest thing.
Then stop making cape movies, you fucking hack.
>>81484549
>It works better in Marvel movies because they don't take themselves seriously
Nigga are you high? When cap was about fight bucky and he said he didnt want to fight but hes got to save them peoples, that was a serious fucking moment.
>>81485168
... and don't you think any superhero movies before BvS don't have any focus group for pre-screening?
Yet, Snyder keep telling everyone at any given chance this movie is for the fans, not for critics (which ironically, plenty of them are comic book fans). So, you are basically doubling down, or still in constant denial mode?
Good Lord, this is so baka.
DC fanboys excuses is getting more jabroni on each passing turn.
>>81484365
Jesus christ this fucking guy is a retard
>>81485357
Stop it anon, my penis can't take it anymore.
>>81485357
>dat Favreu
He's right, these costumes are not the characters so why we should be obsess with having our heroes in costumes especially if they distract from emotional scenes.
>>81485168
Every test screening since MoS WB is told that the movies fucking suck. That's why they try to hide them and have embargoes until the last minute. Instead of listening, they just double down on marketing and cross their fingers that it would work this time.
>>81484976
>a nerve was hit, again
lol
>>81485148
Some people make things because they want to exalt what they love, others want to fix the things they hate.
You can see this difference starkly in satirical pieces. A satire made out of love for a genre or media is vastly different in tone from one made out of derision.
>>81485135
>Daredevil was written by someone who loved the character
Millar? This DD is quite an edgelord.
>>81484365
Is Snyder a legitimate retard? I don't mean that as an insult, I mean is he mentally challenged?
>>81485455
The problem is that it worked. Despite being shit, they've made a shit ton of money and they're going to do the exact same thing for all future movies.
>>81485504
>DD
>Edgelord
Do you even know what that means?
>>81484365
Every time this idiot opens his mouth, shit spews out. I never knew he was such a retard.
>"I can't do it, therefore it's impossible"
It's almost inspiring and cute how someone so dumb got into such a position.
>>81485168
>He can't just take into consideration the fans
Good. Fans are annoying and never pay the ticket.
>>81484903
>Donner
Lol que? That guy was the 1980s Snyder.
>>81485577
>Kingpin rips a guy's chops off
Not edgy at all, no sir.
So when Marvel films strays away the comics it's fine but Synder does because he hates comics, despite most of his work being comic book adaptations.
>>81485639
There's a lot more variation, though. Show has light hearted moments here and there.
>>81485504
I think we need to realize that DD has been dark since Miller.
>>81485673
So did BvS and MoS.
>>81485668
Oh look, fresh bait that doesn't use the word 'quip'!!
>>81485673
>light hearted moments
Quips? Oh my god DD, not you too!
>>81485694
Miller wasn't that ultra-violent. Hence mentioning MillAr.
>>81485455
>Every test screening since MoS WB is told that the movies fucking suck.
Really? Never knew this. Have any links or proof?
>>81485668
Yup.
>>81485728
www.myass.com
>>81485725
It wasn't really ultra-violent though.
>>81485604
>Lol que? That guy was the 1980s Snyder.
Now you are really being crass. This is the guy who gave us proper Superman. He fought tooth and nails against the wishes of shady Superman producer to cut corner. Given the era and limitation of SFX of the time. Read the nifty article here: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/superman-inside-story-director-richard-879894
This director do loves Superman as superhero in cape.
Also this director brought us Lethal Weapons, The Omens and The Goonies.
He is above the level of Zack Snyder in many ways.
>>81485766
>DD beating on people for stupid reasons
>Kingpin going full Ennis
It was.
>>81484365
>>81484549
Snyder knows that these are costumed heroes that do fucking insane things. Everybody whose read a comic, watched a cartoon, or watched a move knows this.
But the main point he forgets is that not only are they superheroes, they are also CHARACTERS. Characters with emotion, motives, personality, thoughts, and last but not least, a fucking voice.
>>81485709
Not bait if it's true~
>>81484365
This retarded view only works if you completely ignore Batman.
>>81485788
>retarded Luthor
>Superman makes Earth go the wrong way,so time goes backwards
>putting Richard Pryor in III so people gave a fuck
>the videogame
You see this in a Snyder movie and nuke Hollywood. Tell me another, grandpa.
>>81485808
>But the main point he forgets is that not only are they superheroes, they are also CHARACTERS. Characters with emotion, motives, personality, thoughts, and last but not least, a fucking voice.
Nuh uh. They're just gods. Gods that are so different from humanity, but flawed to the point of unlikability to be relatable.
>>81484407
Fucking This, so hard!
>>81485135
It's not just that though. Everyone in the scene treats it like the most natural thing in the world, and the in-universe reason for him wearing a costume makes sense. I don't even think the costume is perfect, this before he gets the new cowl, which is a huge improvement. It still works because it's handled well. No one involved seems ashamed about the major players wearing costumes. It's understood as a key part of he genre.
I guess that's what this boils down to. Snyder is ashamed to be making supehero movies, and his response seems to be making everything else absurdly serious to compensate. Make Superman mopey as hell and Batman at his most aggressive. The thing is, that just makes it worse. The BVS Batsuit looks straight out of TDKR, and as a result it's a little silly looking. The irony is that Snyder's self conscious super serious approach just makes it look a million times more silly.
I kinda' wanna make a scrapbook of stupid Snyder comments.
>Superheroes talking in costume for more than five lines is silly
>Superman is genetically predisposed to want to wear a cape
>A THOR MOVIE? IN THE CURRENT YEAR?
>Ant-Man is a flavor of the week, Superman and Batman are transcendent!
>The Galactic Empire caused a lot of destruction, then so can Superman.
>Batman of manslaughter.
>Nolan's Batman kills too and I have the youtube video that proves it.
>The popular notion that Batman doesn't kill comes from Tim Burton's movies.
>There's no place for Jimmy Olsen in the DCEU, let's turn him into a CIA agent and shoot him in the head. Incidentally, book Black General, Asian Major and Indian Daily Planet assistant for my entire trilogy. Squeeze in a Not-Snowden cameo too.
>I don't even know what that thing with the Flash was all about, it just looked cool.
>B-but the Avengers destroyed their city too...
>The true Superman fans will like my movie, everyone else is too stupid to get them.
>>81485895
>Snyder is ashamed to be making supehero movies,
So is Marvel.
>nuh-uh, TWS is a spy thriller!
>nuh-uh, GotG is a space opera!
>nuh-uh, Dr. Strange is a fantasy movie!
>>81485935
>>A THOR MOVIE? IN THE CURRENT YEAR?
>>Ant-Man is a flavor of the week
>>81485935
>>The true Superman fans will like my movie, everyone else is too stupid to get them.
He's right,you know.
>>81485705
WHERE
THAT IS A BOLD-FACED FUCKING LIE YOU FUCKING CUNT
SHOW ME THE HAPPINESS,RELAXING AND PLEASANT MOMENTS, I'M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR HUMOR
YOU FUCKING DRONES WANT TO DEFLECT -EVERY- CRITICISM AWAY FROM THIS MOVIE EVEN WHEN YOU FUCKING CONTRADICT YOURSELVES, YOU SAY THAT BVS AND MOS HAS PLENTY OF ROOM WITHOUT TENSION AND FUN AND ALL THAT AND THEN ON THE FLIP OF A FUCKING SWITCH INSIST THAT THEY'RE BETTER THAN MARVEL BECAUSE THEY'RE DARK AND THAT NORMALFAGS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND DARK MOVIES
I LOVE DC
THE PROBLEM ISN'T THAT THE MOVIES ARE DARK IT'S THAT THEY'RE SO DARK THAT IT ACTIVELY HARROWS THE PLOT AND HAMPERS THE EXPERIENCE ON TOP OF BEING DONE POORLY
PEOPLE CREAMED THEMSELVES OVER DARK KNIGHT AND THAT'S A DARK MOVIE, IT EVEN HAS DARK IN THE NAME
FUCK YOU, BVS AND MOS ARE FUCKING GARBAGE, SNYDER IS A HACK AND I HATE YOU ALL
>>81485854
Richard Donner doesn't have anything to do with Superman III. He was being cut by the producer half way through shooting II. Same with videogame.
You should see Luthor within the context of that era. At least that Luthor didn't do juvenile pranks like "grandma peach juice".
Who is more retarded now.
>>81485984
zack pls go
>>81485984
If BvS doesn't make roughly $1b, Ant-Man will have profited more (it made Disney $100m profit)
If he hates the costumes so much, why didn't he give them totally-not-costumes? Give Superman his jeans and Super-shirt, and Batman could have a ballistic vest, chest rig, sap gloves and a mask.
But that seems more suited to a toned-down and subtle cape movie, which Snyder apparently can't make.
>>81485895
>Synder is ashamed
If anything Synder is the only guy who is giving these characters their proper weight. I don't how we can say this man hates Superheroes when it seems like the man practically worships them.
>>81485935
>>81485997
>You should see Luthor within the context of that era
Yeah, many villains were dressed like beach homos and had a silly sidekick...
>>81485984
>>81486023
>$100m profit
A fucking success here, yessir.
>>81485995
>where
The lois/clark scenes
The bantz between alfred and bruce
The chemistry between wondy and bruce
And fuck every single one of you I liked Lex.
>>81486063
BVS AND MOS ARE STILL SHIT
STILL NOT PROVEN WRONG, BETTER DEFLECT MORE
SO -FUCKING- EPIC, I CAN"T WAIT TO BE PROVEN WRONG
>>81486096
Are you daft or something?
It's the 70s. People dressed like beach homos and had silly wingman.
You can not expecting dark and brooding atmosphere in the disco 70s.
>>81486126
>le RT score
The day I care about those things I'll let you know.
>>81486148
Shall I call an ambo? No human heart cannot resist such tension, anon.
>>81486047
Snyder, stop posting on 4chan. The damage control isn't going to work like it did last time.
>>81486147
>The lois/clark scenes
You mean scene.
>The bantz between alfred and bruce
What bantz? Alfred drops exactly seven witty lines throughout the movie, and Bruce never banters with him, he just goes right back to BROOD AND GLOOM
>The chemistry between wondy and bruce
What chemistry? Their interactions were stiff as fuck, and all super-intense aside from one bowtie adjustment.
>And fuck every single one of you I liked Lex.
Good for you.
>>81486179
Disco was already dead in '78, anon.
>>81485954
They're still supehero movies, they're just making comparisons to other genres and showing how you an use supeheroes to explore different types of films. TWS is probably the most openly cape influenced film to date.
>>81484730
DD rooftop and graveyard conversation with Punisher is a perfect example why snyder is just a shit
>>81486213
>You mean scene.
I don't anon, anon. He might've laughed his ass off or at least grinned atI might have to kill him, No one stays good in this world.
History will vindicate Batman v Superman.
>http://thetalkhouse.com/film/talks/an-alienating-jarring-ironic-fever-dream-in-defense-of-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice/
>So what did I see in Batman v Superman? An onslaught of eccentric paradoxes and muscular visual grandeur. Snyder is a fetish filmmaker in an age of coverage gatherers. You can tell his filmmaking comes alive more when he’s filming a movie star’s body doing a workout than a CGI battle. A mid-movie dream sequence is so out-of-the-blue batshit and offers such insane vision and off-brand-ness that I wondered if it wasn’t a sly suggestion that this is what we could be doing with genre movies if they weren’t so devout to nostalgia. There is signifier upon signifier open for multiple contradictory interpretations, and Snyder does keep insisting all his work has elements of irony (maybe it wasn’t so crazy that I laughed my ass off at the ludicrous 300).
>So why does it seem like such an affront to have this Batman and Superman responsible for and tangling with the consequences of their own murders in an age of U.S. drone assassinations and the ceaseless murders of unarmed Black women, men and children by our own appointed servants of justice? Is the idea of our comic-book superheroes being as complicit in abuse of power what really gets under our skin? Aren’t all American superhero movies about exceptionalism to some degree? Maybe this isn’t a crowd-pleasing movie, but it’s a disturbing, fascinating movie that is both enthralled by and suspicious of the erotic, political and philosophical implications of power.
>>81486243
No, anon. They know capes are stupid and want to give them a coat of smart paint by denying their capeshit nature. Otherwise, Spielberg wouldn't wish this cape fad to die out.
Now I leave you, /tv/. I have a Valiantverse to read.
>>81486296
>that watered-down Punisher
They already chickened out? Oh well.
>>81486226
No, disco dead in the 80s. You youngling knows nothing. Thanks to some racist rock radio who felt threatened somehow by disco.
Yet, it just hibernated. It bred offspring like Detroit techno and Chicago house which in turn gave life to what we know as EDM today.
What an amazing event this entire thing has been. Snyder is like the gift that keeps on giving, he can't give an interview without saying something that illustrates why he was so wrong for this. WB is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that is success. Except WB is also Lucy, constantly pulling the ball away from themselves at the last minute and planting ass first in the dirt. DC is a fucking laughing stock and the people there didn't even do anything.
>>81486321
>an-alienating-jarring-ironic-fever-dream
>it’s a disturbing, fascinating movie that is both enthralled by and suspicious of the erotic, political and philosophical implications of power.
So literally a production of pic related.
The movie is the main argument of the primary antagonist, and features its secondary antagonist as more relateable and empathetic in his motivation than an often described mary sue who comes off as completely unlikeable.
BvS confirmed for supervillain propaganda.
>>81485984
Guess that fat stack of Superman comics that I collected over 20 years means I'm actually a Superman fan poser because I fucking hate Snyder's take on the character with a passion.
>>81486126
>mfw I see kids wearing antman shirts
>>81486322
>>that watered-down Punisher
You what?
Some people react to this shit like Christians did when The Last Temptation of Christ came out.
>>81486383
>WB is like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that is success. Except WB is also Lucy, constantly pulling the ball away from themselves at the last minute and planting ass first in the dirt.
Screw the Charlie Brown reference. Personally, I see the analogy as Kevin Tsujihara holding the ball, Charles Roven as the one trying to kick it, and Zack Snyder as the idiot tackle who turns around from the line of scrimmage and tackles the ball pretending he is his favorite version of Superman and the football is a skyscraper, while a player from Marvel's team picks up the loose football and runs it back for a touchdown.
>>81484365
This is the main reason all Snyder's cape movies are shit. He simply hates the source material. He doesn't want to make cape movies.
>>81485303
Not when they have secret identities. When they're going to mourn the death of a superhero (not his/her alter ego) going as their secret identities is sure to raise some questions
>>81486549
IKTF
>>81484365
I want this man's body dragged through the streets
>>81486713
That would imply his non-cape movies are good, which is not the case.
I don't get why you people hate on Snyder. He is a pretty good guy.
Snyder is pretty bad, but /co/'s thirst for blood makes me feel bad for the guy.
Take it down a notch.
>>81486800
Motherfucker fucked up Batman and Superman, and by extension a whole lot of other shit.
You reap what you sow.
>>81486800
It's scary to think that there's more than a few people here who would actual kill him if they knew they'd get away with it. Chill out guys.
>>81485168
>He needs to listen to focus groups so that he can make a critically panned movie that falls short at the box office
>>81486778
For you
>>81486554
As a Pymfag this makes me happy. Sure they are wearing it for the movie Lang but they will still have seen based douglas. Last year was movie, Rage of Ultron and new solo. What an age to live in
>>81484365
jesus christ.
>>81486769
Hes just not good story wise. 300 was perfect for him cause there was almost no story, just a lot of cool action shots.
>>81486778
He might be a good guy, but he has to stay away from comicbooks. Dude is capeshit poison.
>>81485935
Add the one where he fails to understand the Kobayashi Maru, the one where in mythology mass deaths were used to symbolize disasters, and the one where "now that he's killed how can he possibly do so again.
>>81486981
Maybe capeshit needs to die.
>http://www.audienceseverywhere.net/zack-snyders-superman/
>This genre standard now includes attentive and precise casting, humanizing opening acts, scattered jokes, and then the non-committal second-act investigation of some simple thematic exercise that yields to a large scale (if messy) climactic action sequence. For example, in both Avengers films, there manifests a second-act consideration of ethical questions regarding the distribution and regulation of power before the respective climax presents an attack or catastrophe so large in scale that it severs the need for an intensive consideration of these questions. The answer to “Who should have how much power?” becomes “Well, we need them all right now, so…”
>Both Avengers films, however, were at least a good time. Zack Snyder’s first Superman film, once anticipated as the DC answer to Marvel’s money-making formula, was not a good time. But, as it turns out, Man of Steel’s failure was not its sophomoric pursuit of philosophical ponderings or the uncharacteristic moodiness of its main character. The failure was in forcibly shaping these elements to the demands of the new Marvel-designed genre standard.
>Snyder does not do that this time around. He has broken the 2010s-era superhero format and ignored the expectation of its common packaging. He’s still equally determined to create a Superman movie that dances with Big Ideas, but in this effort, he’s doing it under his own terms. So, while it might not be the most comfortable or easy request of us, he is owed the same critical courtesy as any film or filmmaker: that of having his film met on its own terms and not the terms molded to an existing genre standard.
>>81487096
In otherwords the author hasnt seen Watchmen and knows nothing
>>81484549
Yeah, cap in his WWII uniform trying to talk down bucky was hilarious, so was tony talking to a dying yinsen in his goofy proto iron man suit. Also cap confronting tony about vision was comedy gold. Cant wait for the hilarious dialogue in civil war
>>81486549
>being this old and still visiting 4chan
lol
>>81487096
From Sequart:
>While Marvel’s ongoing film franchise is beginning to lose steam, I suspect that they will crash the genre much like Image did to the comic book industry at large in the early 90s, or even the WW2 cinematic genre of the early 2000s.
>>81487156
You liked the film = you didn't understand the book
>>81484365
I defended Snyder, but I can't anymore after reading this. Obviously you can't take them seriously if they are speaking like idiots
> You Will!
It's the shit dialogue that makes it bad, not the costumes. Fuck Zack.
>>81484852
This... Deb Snyder is the real danger to DC
>>81487156
What Watchmen was to the Cold War, Batman v Superman is to the modern order of questionable military intervention, terrorism, and paranoia.
>>81487279
Also
>Everyone has read a bad review of Batman V Superman, and I don’t really want to contribute to the ongoing masochism. What I will say is that Synder’s vision is at odds with mine, but the universe in which he’s crafted is entirely cohesive. In a world where the US is crying out for blood against things we don’t understand, electing a fear mongering tyrant into office, and disparaging education and intellectualism, Batman V Superman is a welcoming analogue to our dark and foreboding world, one which, I suspect, will confiscate my copy of Justice League: The Animated Series.
I already liked these guys for their documentary on Morrison, and now I like them even more.
>>81487321
And John K. Snyder III.
>>81487234
He could have started at 6 or 8 Anon.
>>81484365
wew lad
>>81485168
If this movie went through focus group the he clearly didn't listen to what they said.
>>81487362
>a wasted childhood
>a wasted adolescence
>wasted college days
That's sad, very sad.
>>81487215
Can't tell if sarcastic
>>81487376
Sucker Punch is a good movie though.
>>81486321
>Apr
>1
>2016
Anon...
>>81487538
It's not a joke dude.
>>81487538
Good Lord, they are deep on drinking Snyder Kool-Aid, they can't even see a prank article, instead hoist it up as a vindication to BvS.
Next what, they are gonna migrated to Snydertown?
>>81486193
You care about RT when it backs up your own agenda
>>81487535
Well, maybe for you, I was drunk and had a good time with my college friends.
I was neither drunk nor did I have my college friends watching this train wreck, however.
>>81487279
>blames image for the comic book collapse of the 90s
Lel
>>81487641
>April the 1st
>not a joke
>>81487669
>trusting American critics
>like, ever
>mfw people still defend Zack "Cape Genetics" Snyder
>>81484365
This is the reason for shoehorning fucking Lois into everywhere she doesn't belong.
Someone fucking stop this hack.
>>81486226
Next time they shine that disco ball on da roof, don't dance to it. Disco is dead. Bury it. Consider this the 80's.Tell me, do you dance?
>>81487722
>no girls allowed!
>>81484407
We can all thank him for lowering the bar.
>>81487718can I join in the snickering?
>>81487718
>>81487780
It would have been just as retarded if they used Jimmy for the same reason, fuck off.
Zack, how are we supposed to have a Justice League movie if they can't socialize in uniform?
Zack?
Hello, Zack?
>>81487096
So this person hasn't seen a single "serious" superhero movie?
It's like everyone has forgotten the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy. You can't in all honesty tell me that that follows the same formula as Marvel.
Or is he talking exclusively about movies with more than one superhero in them?
In which case I guess you haven't really got a lot to choose from.
But that also begs the question of why we should praise Snyder.
He didn't reinvent the wheel here. He just failed. And he didn't even fail gloriously. (In fact many of his choices are cowardly. He clearly doesn't have the strength to accept superheroes for what they are and keeps trying to fix them in ways that are more immature than the source ever was.)
There are numerous very basic things wrong with BvS from a storytelling and filmmaking point of view.
And that's about it.
Of course you can see how it could have been good.
Fuck, you can see that with a lot of really shitty movies.
I don't see why this guy gets so many free passes after a string of mediocre to bad flicks. Fuck that. They threw Sam Raimi under the bus for far less and after making two legit good Spider-Man films, mind you.
>>81487814
Sorry that Supes preferred Lois over Jimmy, anon.
>>81485639
>>81485504
Just because you can't handle something realistic doesn't mean you have to wet your pants at the slightest drop of blood
>>81487833
>I don't see why this guy gets so many free passes after a string of mediocre to bad flicks
Box office, anon.
>>81487858
So you, euh, liked BvS?
>>81487855
Should have used Wonder Woman but no, muh 5 lines.
Shoo Shoo Zack.
>>81484365
Snyder; The one director that even if someone liked his movie, they want to see him gone.
I know it's my case at least. Enjoyed BvS a lot, but if we soon learn that he's out, I won't be crying about it.
i really can't wait to see if the editing is as bad as everyone says desu. then the fan reedit that obviously follows
>>81487833
>He clearly doesn't have the strength to accept superheroes for what they are
"The strength." Comic book nerds actually think it's a sign of strength to never mature emotionally.
>>81487897
>If you like DD then you like BvS
nigma what
>>81487096
>intellectual websites appreciating a movie that the 99% dismisses as rubbish
It is nice to see that there is still hope for humanity, I say.
>>81484549
>is she with you?
>..I thought she was with you
>No one laughs
>Comes off as cringe
yeah it certainly is silly.
>>81484365
It's undeniable that Zack is the weakest link at WB. Warner's idea for their superhero universe is laudable in its simplicity, the idea just seems to be "Marvel, but better," and in order to achieve this they've poured money and effort into the talent. Affleck and Terrio are both Oscar winners, so is JK Simmons, they got the wunderkinds Phil Lord and Chris Miller to do the story for the Flash. So Snyder's really the odd one out.
To the haters: What (if anything) can he do to redeem himself in your eyes?
Will you be willing to forgive and forget if JLA turns out to be pretty good?
Marvel directors like their source material.
DC directors hate their source material.
>>81484365
I don't understand how the director of fucking Watchmen can say such things.
>>81488002
Where is the joke, Buckley?
>>81488022
He can hang himself
>>81488025
>Marvel directors like their source material.
>LELSORANDUMB ensues
>DC directors hate their source material.
>GRIMDERP ensues
Choose your poison.Grimderp for me, please.
>>81488022
Nothing, he had 2 chances, I don't want him anywhere near a cape movie let alone Superman ever again.
>>81488022
It's done and over. Joel Schumacher still gets heat like 20 years later, and he's a far better director than Snyder.
>none of his haters has balls to send him death threats
Disappointing.
>>81488022
It won't be good.
However, it will have cool scenes that will cut great into trailers, so people will - again - hype the movie based just on trailers, and - again - will go see it in droves so the movie will - again - be quite succesful and make 500 million the opening weekend.
And they will give him more and more stuff, because he does scenes cool for trailers and people will eat that shit, like they always do
>>81488065
I'll choose the Russos and their proper tone, thanks.
Nice meme btw.
>>81488025
>>81488065
Let's not lump Ayer and Jenkins together with him yet.
>>81487096
OK, I'm following this website from now on.
>This is the part where I finally admit I do not read comic books. Most of you would not have stayed with me this long if I had revealed that up front, but my non-history with the source material has afforded me the chance to answer these questions thusly: One: I don’t care. Two: Of course.
>>81488120
>/co/ says THIS WILL BE GREAT
>it sucks
>/co/ says THIS WILL SUCK
>it doesn't
>>81488022
He can fuck off.
Every time he opens his mouth he just digs himself deeper.
Its amazing.
>>81488153
>/co/ says THIS WILL SUCK
Happned with MoS and BvS
>>81488129
>le Based Russos
Fixed.
>>81488163
Says the tripfag.
>>81484549
Bullshit.
>>81488046
>>81488085
>>81488088
>>81488120
The thing is, he does listen and I believe he cares in his heart. The Superman portion of BvS was basically about addressing the main criticism people had about Man of Steel. Not many directors would do that.
Give him one more change. Three strikes and he's out.
>>81485984
Good to know you're the TRUE and HONEST fan while people like Mark Waid and Grant Morrison are posers :^)
>>81487833
>I don't see why this guy gets so many free passes after a string of mediocre to bad flicks. Fuck that. They threw Sam Raimi under the bus for far less and after making two legit good Spider-Man films, mind you.
Sony isn't WB.
>>81488186
Nope. I remember the threads.
>>81484365
YET OTHER SUPERHERO MOVIES HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING IT, ZACH! AND NOBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT IT! THIS IS WHY YOUR MOVIES ARE SHIT! SHIT!!!!!!!
>>81488223
No, he doubled down on the grimdark and jesus metaphors. Fuck off with your revisionist history
>>81486096
tbqh he's the hero of the movie, but this was released the same year as Donner Supes, tell me how this isn't literally a beach homo with a sword
>>81488223
I was all for giving him another chance after MoS.
Now? By all means he can go experiment with the superhero genre. But with his own characters like James Gunn with Super, or Millar with Kick-Ass. DC is too big and precious a commodity for him, it shouldn't be reduced to the Bayformers of cape movies.
>>81487953
That would be implying that BvS was mature.
And again, it's a teenagers idea of maturity. The constant dourness and self serious attitude. The idea that if we suck all color out of the scenery and have the characters display no emotions apart from frustrations teetering at the edge of breaking down will turn it into a think piece, into an opera.
No. You can't honestly believe that.
Not after Nolan did it so much better. There's a lot to bitch about his Batman, but there is a love for the source and a knowledge of the craft there that Snyder will never reach.
Which only reminds me of the fact that Nolan opposed the idea of Superman killing Zod, because it was his first official outing to the world and it's something you need to earn.
But Snyder and Goyer wanted the climax to be more dramatic. So Zod has to die. But what did that accomplish in MoS?
Nothing. It's not addressed again, the rest of the movie would have played out the same if he had thrown Zod back into the Phantom Zone. It was simply a moment of pointless melodrama.
And that's just Snyder in a nutshell, a man who makes 2 hour trailers with all the emotional high points, but without any good constructive tissue. Without a through line that makes all the loud noises and fireworks worth it.
>>81488353
B-movies get a pass, always.
>>81488365
They said the same about Grant Morrison.
>>81488106
We aren't Gamergate anon. We don't need to sent some silly threats to Snyder just to make our point.
>>81488223
He adressed the problems in MoS in a petty way. Than he went even more grimdark on BvS. He has the heart of an angsty teenager and didn't even listen to Nolan.
>>81488400
Uh, what Morrison books are the Bayformers of comics?
>>81488408
>We aren't Gamergate
You are /co/mblr, though.
>>81488430
I mean the part about
>experiment with the superhero genre
>>81488380
This guy have a point, you know.
>>81488106
>Death threats
What is this, HEAT? Nah nigga, get mad, blow off some steam shitposting anonymously, wait for the moviefags and capekino shitposters to get bored and leave.
Outlast the fucksticks, its the only way.
>>81488449
>if you don't support me then you're tumblr
this mindset will lead you to the ruin, casshern
>>81484365
wait
if he thinks that it's impossible to take people in costumes seriously, then isn't he saying that his attempts at making those movies serious was wrong?
did hack snyder just call himself a hack?
>>81488499
>casshern
2obscure4me
>>81488223
I remember Snyder talking about Superman earning his no kill rule by taking a life. I was okay with that.
However in the first 15min. of BvS that whole lesson is gone down the drain. Superman takes another life and it wasn't even a Zod level threat.
Why has no one asked Snyder about this in interviews?
>>81484365
Get this fucker off of Justice League
>Zack of all people still calling it an S
>>81488533
Oh come on
It was on toonami man!
>>81488528
That's his name
>>81488538
> Superman takes another life
Which one? I don't remember.
Is the whole interview worth listening?
I am not sure how angry I want to be tonight
>>81488223
>Okay so MoS wasn't that great, give one more chance!
>BvS wasn't good either but you should give him one more chance he'll suddenly get better I swear!
>>81488563
>toonami
Sorry anon, I don't spend my whole life in /co/. Maybe that's why it takes more than a failed movie to make me consider suicide and such.
>>81488588
You know, when he killed a trillion people in MoS.
>>81488223
Watchmen is his first strike for me.
That movie was superficially good and copying the book to a letter yet it was, at the same time, looking and feeling absolutely wrong.
>>81488400
Here, this is the manly, gruff hero from a movie released a year before Donner supes
Also, even Morrison detractors these days seem to stick to the opposite point your making (HIS WORK IS JUST SILVER AGE WAAAAANK), since whenever he takes other people's characters and goes JUST with them, the work comes out at least decent (or great, even, as is the case with Animal Man and Doom Patrol, to me, still his best cape stuff)
>>81485954
That's the way fans have been describing these films, not marvel themselves you fucking idiot. Plus, even if they did, all superhero work, wether comics, animation or live action can be described with another genre as well.
>>81488588
He probably means the african warlord.
>>81488641
>if you watch toonami then you spend all your time on /co/
this logic is faulty anon
>>81488657
>/co/ likes Watchmen now
>in some years they will like BvS too
>>81488663
That's from a space opera, anon. Of course they will dress in an unconventional manner.
>>81484549
Maybe if the dialogue and delivery wasn't as fucking laughably terrible and try-hard edgy as "consider this mercy >:(((((" and ">:( Do you bleed? You will. >:("
Maybe then you could work on making that stuff believable.
>>81486047
Look at the OP, you twat.
>>81488680
So MCU fans are ashamed of liking superhero movies? Didn't know.
>>81488085
This.
I was willing to forgive him if BvS was not even great. Just good, but potentially told the second half of the story that began in MoS, and retroactively made MoS a better movie. I guess I should give him some credit. BvS did make MoS a better movie, but only because of how much worse than MoS it is. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. I paid for the first two Transformers movies, but none of those that came after for the same reason. Snyder is Bay tier in my eyes at this point, and all his inclusion means to me is that I'm not gonna like what he has directed, and might as well spend my money that could to buying a ticket on something else instead. It would take a sea of critics who admit to having disliked BvS to churn out reviews saying in one way or another "Batman v Superman was a terrible movie, but for reasons that defy Zack Snyder's inclusion within it's production, Justice League is simply exceptional, and probably the DC superhero movie you dreamed you'd get since way back before Man of Steel." Anything short of that, and I probably won't even pirate the thing.
>>81488710
/co/ likes Watchmen?
Well then /co/ is wrong. That movie sucked ass and I was so disappointed.
That was before I knew he is a hack... he did 300 before and in my teenage years, I liked that one.
>>81488721
>Doesyour anusbleed?
>>81488757
>retroactively made MoS a better movie
Therefore JL will retroactively make BvS good, and so on and so on. See, no problem here.
>>81488776
because one anon speaks for all of /co/
now drink your soylent gullible green
>>81488776
>/co/ likes Watchmen?
Yes. /co/ is so full of casuals.
>That was before I knew he is a hack
Come on, that movie was already a sign of it.
>>81488710
Have this "not into leather bars at all" Sly them, also, from the same year as Donner supes. The "average joe" aesthetic you're thinking of wasn't present on "mainstream" (or rather, it was, but on more auteurish movies like Scorcese or Woody Allen), in the 70s, there was a whole lot of androgyny and downright gay influence in fashion thanks to glam, funk and disco people looking like a crash between a bus full of trannies and the New Gods party van
And keep in mind what that guy's saying about Watchmen has been the consensus all around the comic fandom since THE FUCKING TRAILERS. I remember a friend saying the exact same thing almost verbatim to me
>>81486193
Wether you claim to care about it or not, even apart from RT, Antman was way more popular than BvS is.Because it's a better movie.One that is less forgettable.
He hates conversation in costume so much that Wonder Woman and Superman never said a fucking word to each other in this movie. Supes makes one brief remark to Batman about her and that's it. he couldn't even be bothered to fart in her direction.
Not one word!
>>81488186
You trying to forget "capekino"?
>>81486096
>>81488353
>>81488400
>>81488663
>>81488710
>>81488848
reminding y'all this wasn't considered gay AT ALL in the 70s
>>81485801
The movie or the show?
>>81486322
So how is it going in fantasy land, where you don't have to care about arguments or logic and can make shit up as you go?
>>81488852
Oh god, your meds are not working.
>>81488848
>Luthor
>dressing like a wop
Puh-leeeeze.
>>81485350
Real DC fans want this horrible fucking movie to fail so they can get good films. Warner Brothers does nothing but spit in our faces. They need something to knock some sense into them.
>>81484365
As retarded as that whole logic is, I will say he is ACCIDENTIALLY right about one thing. All the costumes and superhero names dehumanize the characters and make them less relatible. This goes for both DC and Marvel alike. I find I am far more engaged when people say "Tony" instead of "Ironman". Same for whenever the JL call each other "Bruce", "Diana", "Clark", and so on. It makes the capeshit scenes so much better by just reminding the audience that these are real people, not action figures.
>>81488844
Well I did like 300, because I was like 14 when it was released. Slowmo, packed dudes, blood everywhere, THIS IS SPARTA
I loved that
>>81488979
Yeah, he dressed like this in the 70s.
Much manlier, indeed
>>81488992
>Real DC fans
>>81489015
No real names during missions, soldier.
>>81489052
Exactly. It may look nice in the comics but not in live action.
>>81489015
The CW shows do that enough. We don't need the movies doing it too.
>>81488992
Totally agree.
>>81489087
Forgot to say, that was a nice story.
>>81488992
Real DC fans know better than this, anon.
>>81488992
>Real DC fans want this horrible fucking movie to fail so they can get good films.
>Warner Brothers does nothing but spit in our faces. They need something to knock some sense into them.
It's because WB don't know what to do with DC property, to be honest. Of all the superhero movie they have produced way back to the 60s and 70s. They still don't know shit what to do with it. That's why, up until now, they are only circling around Batman and Superman property.
I got the feeling, they don't actually like superhero genre in general. This is based from one WB insider during last Wondercon.
>>81489185
I'd say they do, but if that makes you happy...
>>81485357
>>81488223
I'm probably one of the few that really wants Snyder to direct Justice League.
I loved Man of Steel and BvS aesthetics and action and i really think it's going to work with the Justice League.
BvS had it's flaws, most of it due to pacing and shoving material to rush the cinematic universe. I can't really blame Snyder for it, the guy is trying his best and has to cope with producers wanting their universe as soon as possible, making the universe as much different from the MCU and critics/producers/companies that really hate him.
Also
>Michael Wilkinson
>>81489185
They should sell DC Comics to Disney.
That would be fun to watch.
>>81489245
>not sure if mainstream
>>81489056
S-sorry sarge.
>>81489280
Obviously you don't read comics.
Where is the 1.jpg guy? We need him right now.
He was shitposting day and night in these threads, and now I miss him. :(
>>81489349
I think he uses image.jpg now. I've seen two so far.
>>81488223
Thing is, why should we give him another chance if we can have an actual good director that actually cares about the source material? Why should we give someone with 2 shitty DCEU films under his belt the movie over someone with no DCEU films?
>>81489454
>we
?
>>81484365
bullshit
this was a man in a bat costume and a clown yelling at each other for five minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnOLhXmhkyA
>>81489511
Yeah, but that's not a Snyder movie.
>>81489511
I genuinely can't argue with that
you're move snyderites
>>81489511
It's funny how good TDK was.
Even when if you think about it, the story makes as little sense as the story in BvS. But it was just so much better made that it doesn't matter.
