Why are they so perfect?
>>81440039
Their personalities bounce off each other so well.
>>81440306
>immediately tries to turn the thread into a pissing contest
>>81440039
I forgotten how hot Pamela was in B:TAS.
Why does everyone forget they are .both doctors?
>>81440039
Because Ivy grows a giant plant dick and fucks Harley with it.
>>81440524
Because they are shitty at being doctors?
Especially Harleen Frances Quinzel, worst psychologist ever, it makes sense that she slept her way to a passing grade.
>>81440524
>Why does everyone forget they are .both doctors?
They don't? Fuck, the Harley Quinn comic had a whole run where she set up a new identity to become a psychiatrist again.
>>81440524
Why does every fangirl get their panties in a bunch about this? You don't see fanboys going all "AHEM EXCUSE ME BUT SHOULDN'T HE BE CALLED, *DOCTOR* FREEZE?!" every time Victor comes up.
>>81440524
Because neither woman ever acknowledges this.
>>81440647
Jesus fucking christ, calm down you little triggerd cunt.
>>81440684
>because writers don't acknowledge this
FTFY
>>81440647
We're not talking about titles you raging faggot, we're talking about how Harley and Ivy status as Scientist go unacknowledged.
>>81440365
I like to think they just leave Batman there. I mean he was going to win but now it's just anti-climatic as instead of a thrilling escape the bad guys kinda just leave because one feels sad.
>>81440697
I'm not upset, just annoyed. I get annoyed ANY time I see threads about Batman or his villains derailed into a proven go-nowhere discussion - whether it's "WHY DOESN'T BATMAN KILL THE JOKER?" or, for a while there, you couldn't have any Riddler threads without people going "Why couldn't he have just stayed as a private detective and solved crimes like in Dini's run, forever and ever and ever and ever?" In all these cases, the answer is obvious: because they're created for the sole purpose of being antagonists for Batman. If Joker were dead, there'd be no more Batman stories with him. Same if Riddler permanently went legit. And if Harley were worthy of her PhD in Psych, she'd realize how messed up she is and probably commit herself.
>>81440763
...but... they don't? Fuck me man, I don't follow all of the nu52, so I dunno if they went full-on dryad with Ivy there, but 99% of every Poison Ivy story I've ever seen or read has her using her MAD SCIENCE to do weird plant shit.
As for Harley... again, it doesn't come up because if she were suddenly smart enough to psychoanalyze and outwit her opponents on the fly, it'd beg the question as to why she doesn't realize "Oh wait, the Joker is a psychopath and I'm being manipulated by him."
>>81440900
Also, I wish people would stop acting like "wannabe pop psychologist = legitimate psychiatrist = SCIENTIST"
She's less of a doctor than fucking Doctor Phil.
>>81440828
Alright first thing, Antagonist doesn't mean villain so Riddler could've still went legit and still be an antagonist to Batman and in Regards to the Harley thing, that's not how mental illness works. You don't realize you're crazy and all of a sudden you stop being crazy.
>>81440942
Anon at this point there's more canon evidence that Harley was a brillant psychiatrist than there is evidence that she wasn't.
>>81440900
Whatad science? Ivy had went full plant elemental and was just hanging out on forests.
purity
>>81440900
Humans are not vulcans. Our emotions interfere woth our logic so even the smartest person would do dumb shit. Harley is a victim of DA and like most victims she tends to justify and forgives her abuser's behavior.
>>81440524
Didn't one of the latest Poison Ivy comic have it being a central point that she's trying to go straight as an actual botanical doctor?
I ended up not really keeping up with it like I wanted to, but I don't think they completely forget.
>>81440942
a legitimate psychiatrist stole the notes Harley had been compiling for her grad thesis, published her ideas under his name, and was critically acclaimed for the rest of his career thanks to it
Man, I don't even read any DC titles regularly and I can tell this thread is full of plebs who never touch a book.
>>81440900
>why she doesn't realize "Oh wait, the Joker is a psychopath and I'm being manipulated by him."
That happened. It's one of her main things now is that she's trying to get on with her life and move past him.
>>81440828
>And if Harley were worthy of her PhD in Psych, she'd realize how messed up she is and probably commit herself.
That happened in her first solo book towards the end.
Take a break from the movies and read a comic or two!
>>81441097
WEW
Any more?
>>81441123
That is disgustingly pointless Harley wank.
>>81441129
>That happened. It's one of her main things now is that she's trying to get on with her life and move past him.
By being a freaky clown woman who leaves mass destruction and chaos in her wake wherever she goes. Right. See, that's why the nu52 dowsed her in permaclown - so they can have their cake and eat it too. E.g. she's smart enough to distance herself from the Joker, but permanently affected by him in a way that she still has all her recognizable physical/personality traits, most of which are derived from the Joker.
>>81441129
>>>>81441129
>That happened in her first solo book towards the end.
Fair point, but I still stand by my argument that she's slow on the uptake. It came at the END of the book, not the beginning, right? I'll confess, I haven't read too many solo Harley books, because I honestly don't care about her outside of the Batman vs Joker/Gotham dynamic. It just seems to me that anyone who got a PhD in Psych but WASN'T EXPECTING A PATIENT TO SAY "I HAD AN ABUSIVE FATHER" is probably not qualified.
>>81441058
>that photo of Supergirl
>>81441123
Shit, that's just a retcon man. I doubt the issue with said retcon won the Harvey AND Eisner Awards for Best Single Issue, like Mad Love did.
>>81440039
Because the only thing sexier than two women having sex is two villainesses having casual sex.
>>81440429
It's by far the best design of her.
>>81441011
>Anon at this point DC realized there's more money to be made in pandering to Harley fans who want to pretend she's a STRONG, INTELLIGENT ANTI-HEROINE and desperately, clumsily retconned her origins to appease them
Alternatively, there's a lot of canon evidence that Harley is not the sharpest tack in the drawer, and most of it written/drawn by her very creator.
they really arent, and I will never hate harley and her forced ship
>>81441865
>Forced
Pls anon. Harley & Ivy is the most natural thing. There's nothing forced in there
>>81441865
This ship has probably been canon longer than you've been alive, anon.
>>81441767
If you knew anything about anything you would know that Dini had Harley reminding people THAT SHE ISN'T A DUMB BLONDE all the goddamn time.
>>81442071
You know she followed that statement up by saying she's not a natural blonde.
>>81441767
Harley was showing legitimate brilliance happened in her first series all the way back in 2006. This isn't some new development brought on by tumblr anon, Harley being smarter than she looks has always been the case.
>>81440039
i have a confession:
i ship harley/ivybut only so i'm free to ship joker with batman
>>81441670
I will concede you the point if, AND ONLY IF, you admit this means that the multiple Eisner winning book, Lumberjanes, was the best new series of 2015 and the best book for teens.
>>81442280
I haven't read it yet, but I understand you're trying to ferret out if I'm just one of the /co/ckmonglers whose default setting is hating any book with female MC(s). So, yeah, I'll concede that. I have no problem with female characters, it's just that I've always seen Harley as a tragic character - yes she's witty, fun-loving and charming in her own way, but that comes at the cost of her being permanently infected by and linked to the Joker. It's all the more tragic that she can sometimes relatively come to her senses, out of self-preservation if nothing else, only to then lose her self and loved ones again when she inevitably goes back to Mistah Jay. I get there a lot of people who identify with her because there aren't as many prominent survivors-of-domestic-abuse in Big Two comics, but that's the thing - Harley doesn't SURVIVE her cycle of abuse, she just ENDURES it. I'd much rather Harley fans were inspired to create new characters who actually can and do permanently overcome their abusers, because a corporate-IP character branded as "Joker's Girlfriend" isn't one of them.
>>81442071
If you knew anything about anything, you'd know that Dini also had Harley Quinn being too fucking dumb to know how security tags work.
>>81440039
Because they're both immune to all known toxins
>>81442711
Dag yo, I was just shit posting and you went and made a thoughtful post fulla good points.
Because, yes Harley is currently running around having her own solo adventures and seems to be over the Joker as a person. As a character tho, she is permanently tied to the Joker.
I think it's good that there are those who are able to relate to her and identify with her and feel less shitty about things because of her, but she's a really shitty role model for this kinda thing. While some say that her BEING flawed is what makes her so appealing, being a cape character, those that attach to her as she is now are just setting themselves up to get hurt when someone else undoes that characterization.
>>81442132
>Harley was showing legitimate brilliance happened in her first series all the way back in 2006
...okay, first of all, I'm pretty sure you're WAY off with that date.
Secondly, I don't understand you. Like, any Harley Quinn fans. Every thread goes like this:
>Why isn't Harley shown as being an intelligent threat?!
>Umm, because most of the time she's seen as childish and hopelessly in love with the most obviously evil, hateful, no-love-to-give character in the entire DCU who isn't named Darkseid.
>No because in these comics she's written as a strong and intelligent woman!
>...okay... so... go read those comics, I guess?
>NO WE CAN'T BECAUSE NOBODY EVER WRITES HER AS BEING SMART!
I don't know what you people WANT.
>>81442965
> I'm pretty sure you're WAY off with that date.
They are, her solo came out in 2001, so it's actually even older than that.
>>81441661
Don't ask.
Ivy has this fucking enormous girl crush on supergirl. She's like, her number one fan. Creepy considering supergirl's age and well...
>>81443023
One year off man. 2000. Still it's the only Harley solo that has Harley well written, even the A.J.Lieberman noir take on her wasn't all that bad
>>81443266
/ll/ is pure
>>81443266
>creepy
I think you mean sexy.
>>81442785
>>81441767
>>81442965
When will people realize that even really, really brilliant people can be fucking stupid? Not every doctor is a genius with 10/10 common sense. Harley being an intelligent, clever psychiatrist can co-exist with her being a fucking ditz and clueless klutz.
>>81441704
Could I get the source on this please?
>>81442965
>childlish and hopeless in love
That doesn't exclude her from being an intelligent threat.
>>81443407
Justice Hentai #2
>>81442964
>Dag yo, I was just shit posting and you went and made a thoughtful post fulla good points.
Aww, thanks. And I agree too. But that's something I've noticed is particularly prevalent among fans who identify themselves as fans of any particular Batman villain - they really mean "I like this one interpretation of that villain, and am going to nitpick any stories where he doesn't match up with what I want." Like, I prefer Killer Croc as a career criminal to a big dumb atavistic monster, but Doug Moench, his creator, is the one who wrote him as deliberately dumber and more feral with each appearance, so I can't complain. I just hang back and wait for the times when he's written more in accord with my tastes, like by Tim Seeley.
>>81440524
Because Pamela is, but Harley slepther way trough college.
All I wanna know is why Ivy gets her panties in a hush whenever supergirl is mentioned.
There's literally nothing to conect them.
At best, she should flaunt over superman unless she's gay or idolizes her.
nevermind, googled it. She's gay.
>>81444286
>All I wanna know is why Ivy gets her panties in a hush whenever supergirl is mentioned.
When has that happened
>>81443383
Because her whole motivation for why she IS Harley Quinn is psychological in nature (at least until the nu52 fucked with it). If she were competent IN THAT FIELD, she would recognize the Joker's patterns of psychopathic manipulation for what they are. You are not a fucking "intelligent, clever psychiatrist" if you can't tell when your own patient is lying to you. You're just a patsy. And that's what she is. A lovable patsy, whose ebullient personality is tragically doomed by her misplaced love, but a patsy nonetheless.
>>81444588
>If she were competent IN THAT FIELD, she would recognize the Joker's patterns of psychopathic manipulation for what they are.
Oh, and before someone says NO SHE DID THAT IN HARLEY QUINN, JOKER'S GIRLFRIEND #156!, I meant that she should have recognized that from the moment they met in Arkham. Hell, in Mad Love, Dr. Leland, who actually IS a strong, intelligent, clever psychiatrist, warned Harley about exactly that. And she STILL fell for it.
>>81444588
>>81444672
Oh my god anon you are the dumbest fuck I've met.
KNOWING ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY DOESN'T MAKE YOU IMMUNE FROM MENTAL ILLNESS OR EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION.
>>81444337
pls respond
Had a dream a few weeks ago that I was roommates with them, not as sexy as you would think.
>>81446095
Why not?
>>81444806
It does make you a shitty psychologist who fucked her way through school to pass.
>>81440524
They're both probably huge nerds too.
>>81440039
Because I love the idea of a woman who basically kills everything she touches being romantic with the one girl who is completely immune to her toxins (even if Ivy is the one who made her that way). It's romantic.
>>81442965
>I don't know what you people WANT.
Win internet arguments and feel superior.
>>81447808
Technically, she fucked a C to an A in order to land a job at Arkham because she had high ambitions because her dad was an asshole she wanted to prove wrong.
Its not that she's bad at what she does, but she faked being a prodigy when in reality she was run of the mill.
That being said, like most fields experience means more than study. Its not hard to imagine her time actually being among the inmates, getting to know them as a comrade rather than the screws, would give her insight beyond any others in the field. So after a few years as Harley she becomes what she faked being.
>>81448901
>Technically, she fucked a C to an A
>her dad was an asshole
>time actually being among the inmates
Nobody gives a shit about fucking nu52 retconned origin bullshit that will itself probably be rendered non-canon by DC Rebirth or the next Crisis after that. Mad Love or GTFO.
>>81444286
She has a thing for blondes.
That was easy, didn't even have to mention kryptonite or the hypercrisis.
>>81449610
Actually, that was retconned away by the 52.
I'm going by pre-Flashpoint on that. Harley had a miniseries showing her childhood and life in Arkham.
But you'd know if you actually read comics.
>>81442042
Ship started about 23 years ago math adds up for a lot of anons.
>>81444337
pls answer
>>81440365
>Their personalities bounce off each other so well.
This, awesome chemistry and opposite personalities with just the right amount of things in common.
>>81440900
Whoa. She fucked him so good and hard that his shirt changed color.
why are people talking about love
amongst heartless murderers
>>81444337
sauce?
>>81452373
When has either woman killed someone?
>>81452490
There was that time Ivy turned a temporary-paralysis victim face-down into the mud. Not sure about Harley.
>>81452490
All the time but that's because they're villains.
>>81452490
>>81452695
Man, Dini truly needs Harley in his Ivy stories to keep him to write shit like this. That whole issue was nuts
>>81440524
It's mentioned frequently with Ivy. In a lot of stories involving her, she's still doing scientific research (creating new strains of plants, testing the effects of different types of spores, etc.).
>>81452490
Ivy kills and mutates people into monsters all the time.
How does she get to be so sexy?
I started to write some sort of bait-ish text in here about being a psychologist and dropping the clown motif; but realized that I really couldn't come up with anything, didn't have much to prove, and probably have a fairly limited understanding of the characters as a whole.
>>81453255
She was sexy from the start.
>>81452770
>that whole issue was nuts
Do tell.
>>81452695
I like Poison Ivy's reaction.
>Wuh-oh, they found my personal snuff film of me feeding a guy to a plant.
Hear hear
>>81452695
>wuh-oh
>Not "Whoops-a-daisy"
Bruh.
>>81454495
>>81454495
>The baseball bat magically sticking to her back.
Triggered.
>>81454990
>Triggered
Fuck off and never come back.
>>81441414
http://fdseason.tumblr.com/
>>81440039
Their crazies matched up well together.
>>81455539We're like two jigsaw pieces, you know, and we have curvy edges.
But you fit them together and you see the picture on top.
>>81440763
Psychology is a social science. Harley may be a Doctor, but she isn't a scientist.
>>81451290
She doing it just want to messes up Supergirl, she saw this innocent and naive nubile blonde.
By some extent she also messes up Superman with this.
The scene was from Supergirl series of last decade.
>>81455626
I have never seen an analogy that fit Harley/Ivy so perfectly before. 10/10
>>81441087
You would think if she was good, she would actually be able to recognize specific behaviors which would indicate the psychological state of her and the Joker.
But I suppose as long as it can be handwaved away with "A specialist of the human psyche should be completely free from introspection or self-awareness of any sort", then I guess that's fine.
>>81455810
I actually stole it from Deadpool.
>>81455539
>>81455626
Exactly! Deadpool and Vanessa analogy actually similar to Ivy/Harley, as they both genuinely care and love each other,
>>81455874
...Dammit
>>81441767
Shes like an idiot savant
Remember howbshe.broke into arkham by manipulating all the staff
>>81455713
S-sauce?
>>81457396
A Source Film Maker mod of the Akrham Knight DLC Harley Quinn model
So which costumes are better?
Left
New Lego Batman DTV
Right
The Lego Batman Movie (2017)
>>81447357
>Ivy was always fucking late on rent
>Half of the livingroom was overgrown
>Harley had her "Toys" lying everywhere
Guns, cannons, hammers, you name it it was probably lying around
>Batman was keeping tabs on me because he got suspicious
>I almost got killing joked, but thank god for peep holes in doors and a fire escape
>And I had to deal with Ivy before her morning coffee
>>81463796
That sounds like a fun sitcom. I'd watch it
>>81464004
Harley at least her share of the fucking rent on time, although she did pay in diamonds
>>81463796
>>81464004
I'd literally watch a Harley and Ivy cartoon about them just being roomates and trying to juggle mundane roomate issues and being real actual super villains.
>Harley, you're tracking blood on the NEW CARPETS. Do you know how expensive it is to get this cleaned?
>I don't know how I could possibly not know when I'm the only one bringing home any money!
>I'm funding my research!!!
>You're a plant woman made of poison who can grow anything in a minute!What else could you need?
>>81455826
*Pomf*
>What are we gonna do on the bed, red?"
>>81463796
>>81464234
Why doesn't someone fun this shit. It's genius
>>81441058
>>81440365
Where are these from?
>>81441414
Alternatively, https://twitter.com/simon_7617118/media
>>81465186
I can tell you the bottom one's fan-made.
>>81441097
>swapping spit with a poison Ivy
Guess we're gonna need another Batgirl.
>>81444588
Actually, psychologists might be even more susceptible to mental illness than most people. It's weird.
>>81440900
It's worth pointing out that this was the DCAU comic, and I'm not even sure it was canon to that.
It wasn't comic canon at any rate.
>>81440365
>DC
>remembering that Harley has a doctorate
Nice try. This is fan art isn't it?
>>81465186
Top
Batman Black and White story called "The Bet" (was collected in the Harley & Ivy TPB)
Bottom
Fan-Made
>>81455872
I just wanted you to know, you made my night anon. Sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills on here.
>>81455872
In her solo back pre-nu52 she actually did come to recognize this stuff, and realized she was mentally fucked. She turned herself in to arkham at the end of it, and was on the uptick before the universe got fucked.
>>81465565
I have a strong suspicion most people who get into psychology do so out of a nagging suspicion that there's something wrong with them and they want to find out what
>>81465665
Forgot pic
>>81441058
I am almost certain this is by Ronnie Del Carmen. He co-directed Pixar's 'Inside-Out'. He's also happens to be my neighbor.
>>81465919
Small fucking world.
>>81465919
Just yell out your window "Hey Ronnie! Did you draw this Ivy comic!? The one where she kisses all the prisoners!"
>>81465919
Yeah it's by Ronnie. He also did the Harley & Ivy BTAS Christmas storie that appeared in the Christmas iasue of Batman Adventures. Also this
The real question is Ivy poison down there too? I mean, Harl's immune but it's still gotta be an irritant.
>>81441058
>photo of Supergirl
Hmm, Ivy has a thing for blue eyed blondes, huh?
>>81455139
you must be new here
>>81455713
>>81455698
I see the failed engineer is on /co/ again. Dont worry, I'm sure youll pass when mommy gets her credit back in order.
I like Harley and Ivy working together but do you think it's better that they have very different outfit themes? Would it be good if they tried to coordinate their outfits more? Which would be better? Harlequin themed Ivy or Plant themed Harley?
>>81469742
They're gal pals not X-Men. Each girl flourishes in their own way. Their unique designs reflect that.
>>81455698
She isn't a psychologist, she's a psychiatrist. Pyschiatrists have to go through medical school and get a Phd.
>>81469796
This. Their difference is what makes them interesting
>>81461309
Right Ivy, Left Harly
>>81461309
I prefer right side since Ivy and Harley looks better and those outfits somewhat fits them
>>81444588
Saying that Harley would be immune to Joker's manipulativeness simply because she's aware of it is a gross simplification of her character and human nature in general.
>>81463796
>And I had to deal with Ivy before her morning coffee
And God spare you if you make Ivy coffee without verifying that the coffee was ethically grown and harvested.
>>81472656
Ivy probably has a special cofffee cup too so you don't accidentally drink after her.
>>81465607
No, you're right, that wasn't canon. The comic canon comic by Kesel on the other hand shows that Harley in her college years killed her boyfriend with Joker's formula for the sake of proving some weird theory about how love and chaos are connected, and then forced the professor from that pic to cooperate with her or she would've ruined his career by pretending they had an affair together
>>81454990
Baseball bat? There's a baseball bat in that clip. Erm, actually, I don't even recall much about that video except dat ass.
>>81473666
didn't it also get revealed that the BF flipped like he did because the professor had also dosed the guy with joker venom?
>>81473899
Can't remember honestly, i'll check
Yeah, he says he slipped a small does into Guy's think-drink because he knew Harley was exposing him to stress, he wanted to see if the Joker venom could counteract that stress and use the results to create a new psychotropic drug
>>81440900
Harley has been shown plenty of times to actually be a good psychologist and capable of figuring people out. Also, women like bad boys. It's not science.
>>81455139
Sounds like somebody's beenprovoked
>>81473666
It wasn't like that. Harleen at the time wanted to prove how long will people will go in the name of love and how much stress will people support in the name of love, the thing is that she DIDN'T know that her collage professor had illegaly obtainer Joker Venom and put it into Harleen BF think drink; so everything went out of control
>>81474176
Yeah, now that i was reading again i realized i mixed things up. And then by the end of it she's worshipping Joker for being the only one that would understand her line of thinking
Shame Dodson couldn't do the art for this issue btw, this Woods is obviously trying to ape his style but some panels look rushed
>>81474289
I like the art of that issue, now the "Joker Last Laugh" tie-in issue that art I didn't like
>>81454495
>Just walks right over that cop
It would be a wonderful view to wake up to
>>81440900
I disliked this story a lot. She went from being corrupted by the Joker to a Joker fangirl.
>>81466424
Only when she wants it to be.
