What did BvS do right?
Most everything
>>81436129
>the opening scene
>Batman's warehouse fight
>the music
>surprisingly Wonder Woman wasn't too bad
That's about it. Everything else was hot garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S176AKQhcCk
>>81436129
It ended.
>>81436222
>>81436129
>Wonder Woman
>The score
>The 78 seconds where Supeman and Lois act like a loving couple and they get to be actual characters in the story.
>Lex Luthor, not beucase he was a great character but because Eisenberg is the only lead with any energy in his performance. He was a mediocre character but he was at the very least a character.
That's all I've got.
Alfred, was good.
>>81436330
>Lex Luthor
>done gud
>how dumb and ill tasted can one be
>>81436129
It ended.
>>81436330
>>The score
I dunno, 29% seems pretty bad to me.
>>81436330
>Wonder Woman was good
You're either an emasculated beta cuck, a SJW or a feminist ham planet. Absolutely nothing about WW in this movie was done good becauset he actress chosen is absolute shit. What pisses me off even more is she's now the permanent new face of WW like RDJ is for Ironman.
>>81436129
It finished.
>>81436129
It's over.
>>81436129
The endless action sequences and beautifully desaturated cinematography made this a repeat watch for me.
>>81436382
>>81436373
>only lead character who does more then look constipated, confused or stare off into the middle distance like they're in a Levi's Jeans commercial
>HOW DARE YOU LIKE HIM
I don't give a shit that he's nothing like the comic Luthor. He was the only person exhibiting any fucking personality in this movie, I took what I could get.
>>81436382
damn son
>>81436400
well, it sounds like its YOUR problem???
>>81436382
Th-thats not what I meant, BvS is just too deep for critics to comprehend
>>81436454
we're trying to see what BvS had done "right"
>Lex Luthor
>one of the most infamous character used as a comic relief
>is done "right"
go and convince others that it's "right" cuz you liked it
Batman. Both the batmobile and the warehouse were amazing.
Lex Luthor. He was surprisingly good. I expected what they did with Doom in the new F4 movie.
The soundtrack.
Wonder Woman was great.
That's pretty much it. Overall a 7/10 movie.
Alfred doesn't get enough love when talking about this film
Does Superman ever use a lasso? He did grow up on a farm.
>>81436221
>the music
You're right about everything else, but the music was awful. Almost every character had two distinct, completely different theme tunes that played at the same time. It was like being at a bad rave.
>>81436400
>You're either an emasculated beta cuck, a SJW or a feminist ham planet.
>>81436382
Are you kidding me? He meant the soundtrack. Stop with the stupid excuses to bring up RT.
>>81436510
>MoS didn't play Superman's theme enough
>fuck, put his theme in every song
>>81436496
That's because he was a completely wasted non-character whose only purpose was to whine at Batfleck.
>>81436510
>Batman looking at files on his computer
>DUN DUN DUN GUITAR RIFFFFFFF
At least I could laugh at how fucking stupid it was sometimes.
>>81436533
Don't be so sensitive anon
>>81436222
God-tier trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WWzgGyAH6Y
>>81436222
>>81436221
>the opening scene
Up until the bats lift lil Bruce out of the cave.
>surprisingly Wonder Woman wasn't too bad
Wonder Woman was pretty good. It's just a damn shame about those Diana Prince scenes where she required to deliver lines and convey emotion.
Mercy was cute.
Lex dropping Lois off a building to get Superman was good.
>>81436129
I actually enjoyed everything in the movie except Aquaman.
The Aquaman scene was lame.
Otherwise this movie gave me a boner in my soul. Something I dislike about the Marvel movies (not the comics) is the fact that they really don't want to take the characters seriously, like they feel determined to add this level of irony to them which pisses me off.
Like, why does Captain America need to be selling warbonds? Why can't Nick Fury be effectively immortal due to the Infinity Serum? Why can't Thor actually have fun Thor adventures? Why do Iron Man II and III even exist? What point or purpose do either of those movies serve?
Batman v Superman felt like the second chapter in a mythological saga, and while there have only been two movies so far it actually feels like there's a fucking story being told in which each film is a chapter of that story. Who knows, maybe they'll fuck it up like Marvel, but they at least haven't made the characters ironic because they're too scared to point out that there's nothing realistic about any superhero story. Fuck even Watchmen has a normal human catch a bullet mid flight.
Really looking forward to Justice League, Wonder Woman, and Suicide Squad.
>>81436400
Holy fucking shit?!
The amount of fucking resentment in this post is amazing. Have you ever actually seen a vagina in the flesh? Or do girls not like you for.... "reasons"?
>>81436129
Not even Wonder Gaunt was anywhere even remotely passable or convincing.
Though Batfleck was mostly good in this, the Martha scene was just one of the most hilariously awful scenes I have ever seen, right next to "he saved us".
Batfleck
>>81436222
>>81436382
Nothing but sick burns in this thread, I love it.
,
>>81436129
The whole thing was good.
>>81436156
Probably bait, but I'll agree.
Again - Batman's first scene with the human trafficking ring is basically perfect.
Jeremy Irons' "I really don't give a fuck Master Wayne but it's my job so I guess whatever" Alfred was great.
>>81436533
BvS was so bad Zimmer has said he'll never do the music for another cape movie
Well uhhh.... Uhh. The Got Ham trailer was nice and the Man of Steel recap opening was good.. ;_;
>>81436129
Everything.
Everything was great barring...
> Lex's speech at the Galla.
> Clark never having any happy moments (Him, Lois & Martha having dinner would have been nice)
> Bruce & Clark having the same mom name was a bit weak of a reason to stop fighting, despite Ben managing to sell it emotionally even under armor.
> No reason for Lois to throw the spear in pool besides maybe wanting it to be harder to recover.
> I was hoping Clark & Bruce would have a actual conversation before Clark got to "the bat is dead" line.
> Clark should have reasoned with Bruce after the first dose of Kryptonite wore off.
> Clark's reasoning for not noticing the bomb at the senate was weak.
> Cavill should have emoted more after the Explosion.
> League cameos were a bit shoved in (altho I personally am gald they where in the film regardless)
I'll admit my only DC experience is watching a lot of Batman cartoons so maybe I missed out on something, but am I crazy for thinking Cyborg was the only decent cameo? WW being in the movie felt forced, aquaman was embarrassingly poorly done,flash's time travel shit seemed unnecessary, and his video was just kind of boring.
>>81439640
>aquaman was embarrassingly poorly done
How the fuck is that?
Casting Affleck?
I think that's about it.
>>81439670
It's one of the few times CG would have been better than actually filming in water. When his eyes first showed in the dark, it was super cool, then he just kind of floated and slowly and ineffectually jabbed his spear. Keep in mind I'm not some anti BvS shitposter. I came in with subterranean expectations this weekend and was pleasantly surprised that the movie was a solid 7/10 at the least.
>G-guys can we please validate each other's shit taste?
>>81436330
>>81436221
The music was god awful. You liked that electric guitar in the final fight? Cheesey as fuck. Honestly ruined the whole doomsday fight.
The only thing the movie did right was Batman. Batflek was the only thing I have 0 complaints about.
>b-but bat of murder!
Shut up he was fine and Alfred's first conversation with him makes it clear this is a batman not playing by the usual rules, if you couldn't understand that it's because you're stupid.
Also it's not like he went around stabbing people to death I mean he fucks up some cars full of evil henchmen, henchmen aren't even people.
>>81436129
only thing it did wrong was nto give enough rock to doomsday and not give KGBeast his costume.
Also Mercy didnt need to die.
>>81436382
i fucking love the film but damn son
>>81439828
>Mercy didnt need to die.
>implying Cyborg Mercy isn't going to make an appearence
>>81439920
yeah i figured that, kinda hoping thats gonna be the case with KGBeast as well
>>81436129
Everything with Ben Affleck and Jeremy Irons, i don't care about the rest
Batfleck movie when?
>ceiling bat watches you masturbate
>>81436129
>Metropolis destruction from Bruce's perspective (provided ample reason why >Batman hates Superman, which makes it even weirder they piled on so many reasons after that)
>Batfleck
>Batfleck horror movie-esque entrance with the 2 cops
>ALFRED
>Diana and Bruce back-and-forth
>Wonder Woman (for the short time she was there)
I also liked Eisenlex Luthorberg desu senpai, but he's divisive enough I'm not putting him into the plus column. I get why people thought he was grating. Would've been better as The Riddler
>>81439995
>you get up from your chair and turn around
>Batman is there
>fearfully you look back to your chair
>Darkseid is sitting on it
>>81439808
>You liked that electric guitar in the final fight? Cheesey as fuck. Honestly ruined the whole doomsday fight.
Not cheesy in any way.
>>81440046
Music was legit terrible.
Worst things
Lex
Shoe horned justice league shit
Music
Good things
Batman
Are metropolis and Gotham across a small body of water from each other in the comics? I thought I remembered reading somewhere that metropolis was New York and Gotham was Chicago or something.
>>81440040
underrated
That shot of wonder woman lying on the floor in the final fight. Never found Gadot attractive until then.
>>81440495
I couldn't help but laugh that they had to have Lois help her hold supe's corpse and judging by the camera angle, there was probably some off screen help too. Fucking Wonder Skeleton.
>>81440362
gothams the jersey shore, pretty sure new york is its own place in DC
>>81436221
>surprisingly Wonder Woman wasn't too bad
I'm fairly certain that's just because she didn't have enough lines to deliver to be bad.
>>81436129
Wonder Woman
Batman (excluding his willingness to kill and kill with guns)
That was about it. There were other little things I liked, but none of them had any consistency. There was A LOT more I didn't like than there was things that I did. What I will say though is that Lex while not ideal, was not as bad as I expected.
My biggest problem was that again, I found myself backseat driving being Superman, all movie long. It is astounding that with a studio cabal that includes Geoff Johns, the man who "gets" Superman better than nearly anyone writing today, that this is the version of the Man of Steel that we are given. I don't know if they just don't listen to him, or he doesn't speak up, but holy fuck, he can't be okay with this.
>>81436129
80% of Lex.
They just needed to tone down his manic depressive aspects and he would have been top tier.
A lot actually. There's just a lot, and I mean a lot, of bad decisions too.He was too manic a few times, but young Lex was good
>>81436875
That's exactly why normies like the MCU. By not taking the characters seriously, they can pretend they're better than those silly comic books.
I feel about this movie the same i feel about Final Crisis. I think that this is a Morrison story in movie form.
>>81436129
The cute asian chick was good.
>>81436129
It got my hopes up and dashed them quite expertly.
>>81440040
> walk out of the room
> Future Flash is coming through a time tunnel
> wake up.
>>81441958
(Can't wake up)
>>81436129
Batman
Alfred
Wonder Woman
>>81436889
Goyer pls go
>>81440040
>"I am many things, Kal-El... but here... I amcomfy."
Jeremy Irons
Batfleck
Knightmare
>>81436156
Eh, I pretty much agree. I liked the movie with some exceptions.
http://strawpoll.me/7272909
>>81443493
fuck off back to your hugbox, /pol/
>>81442600
SAVE ME
>>81444571
Surely you bait?
>>81436156
Second that.
>>81439598
>> Lex's speech at the Galla.
you do understand that you're reaction is supposed to be the same to the reaction of the people listening to him in the movie right?
>>81444896
Cringing at a purposefully cringe moment doesn't invalide the fact it was designed as a cringe moment to be stupid.
>>81436719
>Lex dropping Lois off a building to get Superman was good.
That entire sequence was more spot on than not.
>>81436129
Aquaman's cameo, Batman's acting, Batman vs thugs, final fight.
That's probably it.
>>81444972
I'm personally more interested in Cyborg and he'll bring to the tablebooyah
>>81445033
What he brings to the table better be a goddamn Metal Men movie.
>>81445033
I have nothing against Cyborg, I just found Aquaman's cameo to have more presence.
>>81436222
not nearly soon enough, though.
>>81445033
Im annoyed with the context of the mother box
>>81445102
Either that, or Red Tornado. Both would serve as a good parallel for Vic as he struggles to maintain his humanity.
>>81436400
>What pisses me off even more is she's now the permanent new face of WW like RDJ is for Ironman.
Maybe for a little while similar to how Michael Keaton or George Clooney or Val Kilmer were all the face for Batman for a few years.
They'll probably do a reboot at some point and hopefully, they'll choose an actress who is a better fit for the role next time.
>>81445541
I wouldn't say permanent, they could pull a Hulk or War Machine if they really needed to, though seems very very unlikely for the near future, she'd have to bomb her solo movie hard somehow.
>>81436875
>Like, why does Captain America need to be selling warbonds?
Did you not watch the movie?
>>81445033
>We all hope for the booyah.
>What we'll get is an emo Cyborg crying about muh humanity the entire movie while Linkin Park plays.
I'm not looking forward to this.
>>81436937
>Martha
the Martha scene was supossed to make batman realise that supes was a man, that he is part of the humanity not an alien force of destruction...
>>81445808
Well.......WB might have learned their lesson by then and we get a match up against either Grid or AMAZO. Maybe WB just sucks at everything Superman
>>81445876
Don't bother, it was just too deep for some it seems.
>>81445876
That was the intent, doesn't mean they did a good job carrying it over.
>>81445876
The intention is pretty easy to pick up but it still falls flat in the execution. There seems to be a lot decent ideas wrapped up in poor execution in this movie, which is why I wish Snyder would get control of the action scenes but someone else handles the actual story telling.
Ben Affleck's acting was pretty good (even if the character was not).
On that note, Batman fighting the thugs to save WHY DID YOU SAY HER NAME was neat-o and makes me want to just see a Batfleck movie.
The Batmobile itself looked pretty cool (though I wasn't big on the actual scene involving the Batmobile).
Wonder Woman fighting Doomsday was cool.
That's really about it for me.
>>81436129
Nearly everything, it just had couple of pacing issues.
>>81445876
>"Who is martha?"
Seriously, why didn't Superman told him outright what was Lex was doing?
>>81446087
>Seriously, why didn't Superman told him outright what was Lex was doing?
Did you miss Superman being bombarded with kryptonite as he tries to explain stuff to Batman?
I would argue everything Superman related, and the editing, were the main issues.
>>81446087
Because Clark is an idiot and thought Batman would only listen after incapacitating him
>>81446120
Is it too difficult to say 'they have my mom hostage'?
>>81446087
That was the first thing he said and batman wasnt listening
>>81439598
>No reason for Lois to throw the spear in pool besides maybe wanting it to be harder to recover.
Yes, why on Earth would a woman want to hide a spear that almost killed her boyfriend not five minutes earlier. Baffles the mind.
>>81446308
To be a hamfisted lady in the water reference of course.
>>81446201
When Batman isn't listening as Superman is trying to explain things?
I have a lot of issues with Batman v Superman. I do. For example I think the idea of Superman having a mom humanizing him in Batman's eyes is a great idea, but it was executed a bit too quickly and in a poor way. I think Snyder is a terrible director and the over all editing was terrible, you can tell where Terrio's script shines and where Goyer's script takes a dump, Batman "kills" out of the script even though the script clearly intends for him to have the rule mostly in place. But at the same time I honestly swear most people who hate it didn't even pay attention to what was going on.
It's almost childishly straightforward and simple in it's plot and narrative, pretty much everything is explained or elaborated on in someway outside of the sequel-bait dream sequence, and Lex knowing about Darkseid. One of which is explained in a deleted scene that we now have access to.
It's honestly sad that they were right. This movie isn't smart and yet it's still too smart for most audiences and even reviewers and that is really really upsetting because the movie is more often than not as dumb as a sack of bricks.
They got the costumes right I guess
>Like superman returns, Lex luthor was the best part of it.
>Wonder woman was ok, she did swords.
>Batman fighting in the warehouse, using his grappling hook to fight.
>>81439598
>Clark's reasoning for not noticing the bomb at the senate was weak.
It was meant to humanize him. To show that he turns his powers off and doesn't really live fully in that state of over sensory.
It was just executed really, really badly.
I honestly think he should have saved the senate. I don't think the movie ever fully recovered from that point.
>>81436129
it didn’t premiere on May 6:th.
>>81446607
Agreed, In superman returns superman flies into orbit and can hear almost the entire world. In this one he cant hear something 5 feet from him?
I know this wasnt Superman Returns, But still.
>>81446521
What you're describing to me is a deeply flawed movie that had the potential to be great. It's fine that people like the movie but at a certain point it might be time to let go and call it bad instead of claiming that people are too stupid to understand what is honestly a pretty blatant and straightforward movie (with terrible editing that does convolute it a bit.)
>>81446607
why is it hard to believe Superman isn't 24/7 bombarding people with X-ray visions? Why would he have any reason to suspect anything was wrong in a senate hearing? He was probably going to have his most important moment as Superman, the scene completely works, and his heartbreak when he fails to save anyone is one of the most touching superhero moments on film.
>>81446521
>When Batman isn't listening as Superman is trying to explain things?
That sounds more like an issue with Batman being written as a dumbass than anything else.
>>81444930
well hey man i'm just saying that it fits within the story, personally i think his best moments are the ones with less words and more body language
>>81446728
>instead of claiming that people are too stupid to understand what is honestly a pretty blatant and straightforward movie
When people consistently show utter lack of understanding of basic shit that happens on screen, usually even explained to you in almost spoonfeeding way, you can only come to the conclusion that people are just really fucking dumb. Bad editing does not explain people getting entire plot points completely wrong or or not being able to understand how something happens when it's made blatantly obvious.
>>81436222
>>81446658
See but that's the point.
He learned to turn those senses off and not live in that world.
Remember in Man of Steel there was an entire scene dealing with him learning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYSokpI5gco
In the comics he's learned to essentially shut out everything but certain triggers so he can live a normal life. Things like Lois screaming, Lex's name, Jimmy's signal watch. This is why he always heard Lois. Because he focuses on her voice at all times.
The problem is that it's executed poorly. It's not well explained. It makes sense if you put a bit of thought into it and perfectly pay attention, have knowledge outside of the movie, or remember MOS but it's just not really fleshed out in full in Batman v Superman itself.
>>81446962
>Bad editing does not explain people getting entire plot points completely wrong or or not being able to understand how something happens when it's made blatantly obvious.
Not him, but the way I see it, it's less that people don't understand how it happens and more that they don't see how it unfolded as logical/good writing. Or at least, for me it's that way.
>>81446962
no, you're just a dcuck(that's how it's spelled, rightt?) who's trying to defend a shit movie not a person genuinely intrigued by the social phenomenon around it
>>81436222
>>81439934
Underated posts
>>81447054
You're giving people too much credit. People actively think Superman was thought to have personally shot all those bodies in Africa and call it a plot hole. People did not understand Holly Hunter's tea/piss jar turn of phrase or Lex's callback to it. I literally saw one person claim they never explained how Lex got hold of Zod's body.
>>81447141
I hope you realize we're two different people because I ( >>81446521 ) didn't actually like the movie at all. I didn't really hate it, but I didn't like it. I just understood what was going on.
People don't seem capable of grasping even the easiest concepts in the movie.
A lot of people are asking things like "Why did Lois throw the spear away?" when it should be obvious as to why Lois threw the damn thing into the water.
People can't grasp that Lex is lying most of the time and cry plothole.
People don't understand how Superman knew where Batman was in the finale fight despite it having been spelled out in an earlier scene.
People don't understand why Lex unleashed Doomsday when he outright says why. "If man can't defeat god the devil will do it"
People didn't grasp that the Knightmare sequences were fueling Batman's paranoia.
All of this is explained, none of this was smart or complex, and yet people still didn't understand it somehow. People aren't grasping things that spoonfed to them in the movie.
The editing is shit but it doesn't excuse the fact that people are asking stupid questions and crying plothole where there isn't one.
More than most Superhero movies.
>>81444943
agreed
one my three favorite scenes by far
>>81436129
I liked some the characters: Batman, Wonder Woman, Alfred, Perry, and even Lex Luthor. I liked Batman's action scenes. I liked the way Wonder Woman fought. I thought the score was great. Had some great moments (like Lex's speech on the building and Bruce's "I'm a friend of your son" line).
The problem they took two movies (Batman v Superman and Dawn of Justice) and like six movies worth of world building and tried to Shove it into two and a half hours. Many of the plotlines felt disjointed. It just simply tried to do way too much.
>>81439808
>he fucks up some cars full of evil henchmen, henchmen aren't even people.
I see it as them knowing very well what they were getting into.
I didn't mind Batman killing because it showed exactly why it's a good thing he has a no-kill rule: The guy is unstoppable when he's determined.
>>81439598
> Lex's speech at the Galla.
I liked that scene. Especially when Wondsr Woman rolled her eyes.
>>81447514
i was being facetious, anon
and yeah i agree with everything you said, hopefully this what makes me drop capeshit completely
>>81447692
why does he get a no-kill rule from that?
>>81436129
>The actors fucking brought it but were underserved by the script. Rosenberg most of all.
>Attempted to treat the characters with seriousness. ATTEMPTED!
>Laid the groundwork for future DC movies even if it should have been done over years instead of two movies.
i already knew that critics were exposed, and now i know that we're all exposed as well
http://pulpklatura.tumblr.com/post/141843209469/batman-v-superman-the-modern-revenge-tragedy
>>81436129
I like all the characters, but I'm not a fan of the plot and tone.
>>81440040
Is it normal Darkseid or /co/s lady Darkseid? Cause I guess Batman can watch if he wants to.
>>81439598
>Lex's speech at the Galla
But it was an amusing scene and Wondie cringing at the Ancient Greek references was great.
>Cavill should have emoted more after the Explosion
I agree that the reason for him not hearing the bomb was a bit weak (but Lex Tech, so whatever), but I actually liked this scene with him in the explotion.
>>81447041
What the senate scene really needed was just a quick shot of Clark being overwhelmed by all the comments of the crowd and all the whispers from people inside the building and you see the sounds get more and more muffled as he approaches the room and walks in and everything's at a normal volume.
>>81450356
>>81453120
>Reading is too haaaaarrrd!
Your are what's literally wrong with this generation. Never breed and pls kill yourself.
>>81439598
>everything was great!
>proceeds to make a long-ass list of everything wrong
Oh my various gods, this was so cringey. I literally wanted to turn away from the screen when Jesse was sperging out. The only good parts were with Alfred. I can't wait to see this sad attempt at building a DCCU crashes and burns like Martha should have.
Something.
>>81436221
I liked Lex's theme the first time I heard it, not so much the second time on that rooftop.
Wonder woman's theme was pretty awesome too but it may have been because I was so bored up until then that it snapped me back into it
Stuff.
>>81436473
I BELIEVE IN LEX LUTHOR!
>>81436156
Thirds.
>>81444943
Lex was too manic, but his chracterisation beyond that? The reasons for him to dislike Superman? His general philosophy?
There's been way worse Lex
>>81436473
and it's not like there aren't huge gaps in avengers films... I'm just waiting till immnot homeless anymore to wait for the special addition where we see what happened to the tungsten spire hurtling down into Eastern Europe.
Z
So batsupes disappoint in different way than avengers. So vat?
I honestly think it would have been better received if we were in a different geo-political climate. Snyder's DC work still has echoes of Nolan's "no heroic deed goes unpunished" mentality from the Batfilms that came from the malaise of the war on terrorism and dissatisfaction with the ambiguity of Iraq/Afghanistan situation.
Now that everything is "Rah! Rah! ISIS is the villain we need to stop!" America wants to see the black and white superheroics again. That's why Spider-Man was so well-received after 9/11 and why everyone can't wait for whatever the next Marvel movie is with a cardboard cutout of an antagonist.
I'm not saying BvS is a more intelligent film or anything like that. It's themes just seem several years behind the curb in what the public expects out of Superheroes. Expect people in a few years to start to drum up praise for it and MoS as the ISIS shit stops becoming so black and white.
>>81436222
>>81436382
>that savage one-two combo
>Only relatable emoti in the whole film happens at the last Levon's of the film and it's the same film as the commercial.
>Eisenburg pulls a Diesel Tokyo Drift.
The car chase sceneBatman uses a sniper rifle to shoot a tracker onto one of the trucks. Why did he have to get into the batmobile and go after them? He nearly destroyed the tracker too.
>>81455622
Nobody gives a fuck about eastern europe, anon, least of all the people living there.
Batman
Alfred
Score
Cinematography
Wonder Woman
Almost Nude Amy
>>81446728
>le terrible editing meme
Whatever. This movie flowed fine, and was always interesting.
>>81446658
But why would you be able to hear a bomb? Do you fuckers think it was ticking or something? This ain't a fucking Tom and Jerry cartoon. Bombs don't necessarily have to make noise. Even then, you know what it would have sounded like? Virtually any digital electronic device, of which there were probably hundreds in the capitol building. Besides, Superman said he didn't "see it", implying he was aware he would have to look for it and not hear it, but he wasn't thinking about that. He was nervous, he was ashamed, and when he was looking into the eyes of a man who blamed him for ruining his life, the last thing going through his mind was checking his wheelchair for a bomb.
These posts are of good quality though. DESU I didn't waste time arguing that Superman wasn't overly violent in Zod's Death, in the comic and the film, the whole point is that Zod forces superman, that's how the comic has it too. The superman everyone loves from the comic killed Zod.
So that one chick as Barbara Gordon was in the cast list but I didn't see her at all. Did I miss her or were her scenes cut?
>>81456119
Her scenes were cut and will be in the extended cut. The notice of that said that those scenes were crucial to the conclusion (will probably explain how Lex was arrested), and something "crucial" being deleted just shows how stupid everyone working on this was.
>>81456168
The deleted scene with Lex getting arrested was leaked. Wasn't that crucial IMO.
>>81456236
It kind of IS crucial because otherwise the DING DING DING DING DING is just silly.
>Bats was fantastic, him hunting down criminals (the sex traffic guy and KGBeast's thugs) was amazing. It's also the first time I liked how an actor portrayed both Batman and Bruce Wayne.
>Clark's bath scene with Lois and "you are my world". Supes first "death scene".
>Wondie rolling her eyes at Lex's speech and her smirk when Doomsday throws her off her feet. Also, lasso.
>I thought the party scene was fun, with the Trinity circling around each other
>"I'm your son's friend"
>Alfred and Perry White were glorious in all the scenes they were in
>>81447317
This.
I think a lot of it stems from people WANTING to hate this movie. In the wake of Man of Steel, and with the current reign of Marvel's universally enjoyable cinematic universe, there's definitely a mob mentality against the DC movie universe, ever since it became apparent that they were playing catch up to Marvel. It's human nature to be competitive and draw lines in the sand. If Marvel is the "right" way, then whatever DC is doing, since it is different, must be the "wrong" way.
My gf and I (we both liked the movie) have this friend who hates Superman, isn't nuts about Batman, but loves the MCU. She's a writer, and took 4 years of film school. She was flipping out over how this didn't make sense, or that didn't make sense, or why did this happen like this, just because she wanted to HATE this movie, from day one, and this was her vindication. The thing is, literally every issue or confusion she had was easily made apparent by a single sentence explanation.
>>81447514
>The editing is shit
I still don't understand why people say this. I guess I'm just a tasteless pleb when it comes to highfalutin' cinematics, though.
>>81436129
It feels weird being in the minority of people that loved this, I've disagreed with people on films before but never one that got trashed so fiercely
>>81456119
She was cut, same as Dan Amboyer
>>81456354
Same, although I've got a whole bunch of movies over the last few years that make me feel like I've been taking crazy pills, both because I loved them while majority hated them, or vise-versa
Have you seen it a second time, anon? It honestly gets better, I think. I went to see it in super-duper IMAX, which was worth it just for the Knightmare scene alone. Pic related. I have it a 7.5/10 after my first viewing, but I think that's just because I was reconciling it with my own hype/expectations. Once I watched it again for what it was, I enjoyed it even more.
>>81441368
The Darkseid vision (delivered by the Flash who Morrison makes analogous to Hermes) comes at the 52 minute mark.
Hypercrisis is real.
>>81439995
Batman God Of Knowledge
>>81445600
No I understand why he is doing it in the movie. But it isn't true to him in the comics.
Like, Captain America is a literal Super Solider, created during World War II to fight the Axis powers. How much better would that movie have been if we had twenty more minutes of Captain America and the Howling commandos kicking ass in actual scenes rather than a lame fucking montage.
>>81455661
While I agree we are seeing a massive shift in political climate, which results in more morally straightforward heroes, I completely disagree with the rest, due to the fact that even if the themes and tone match up later on, it still won't be praised because of the fact that it's not a well made movie. At all. There's way too many flaws in this movie outside of the tone for it to be considered even remotely decent. It's just plain bad.
http://youtu.be/15pOr1E6hvc
>>81455589
Yeah, I really liked Eisenberg/Snyder's Lex but he should have been reined in more.
Still...there's a lot there that rings true.
>>81456119
You see her for like one frame in the Darkseid vision. Batman tries to pull her up from the ground by some goon delivers a kill shot to her before they all gang up on Batman.
>>81439797
Shut up, faggot.
My one gripe with the movie:
There are no suit-up scenes.
You never see anyone prepare for shit. Shit just happens.
>>81456297
>I think a lot of it stems from people WANTING to hate this movie. In the wake of Man of Steel, and with the current reign of Marvel's universally enjoyable cinematic universe, there's definitely a mob mentality against the DC movie universe
You can't seriously believe this, right? There is no "mob mentality", otherwise TDK trilogy wouldn't be praised the way it is. The fact is is that DC stopped making good movies after that because they're trying way too hard to copy thw sucess of Batman without even realizing what made him good to begin with. Man of Steel actively messes with the core concepts of one of the most famous heroes of all time, and doesn't even pull it off well, so of course it was going to draw some ire. It's fine for Batman to be a mopey sadsack, but Superman should'nt be that as well. The DCCU lacks contrast solely because Batman is popular, and that simply won't do with the more fantastical heroes. Enough with the victim complex already.
>m-muh guitar riffs on Wondy track
>not knowing it's violins, most likely electric
Uncultured swines
>>81458504
The range is clearly that of a cello, you pedantic cunt.
>>81457147
I wouldn't call the montage lame, but I would've liked more action with Cap and the Commandos
>WW smirking on the ground while fighting Doomdsday
I need to see this scene again
>>81455338
God, I wish this had a 100plus issue run. MCS is the best writer.
>>81458051
>not muh
Eat shit, faggot.
>>81459310
>MCS
And he isn't.
>>81456559
not him, but I completely watched it twice, first time kept waiting for it to get terrible or even bad and it never did, and ended up enjoying it. Second time I watched it and really loved it.
The reverse of the force awakens for me
>>81458878
The montage isn't lame. The problem with the montage is that from a World War II Captain America story I want more of that. I want more Captain America and the Howling Commandos fighting Axis soldiers, not just one montage.
>>81461457
>The reverse of the force awakens for me
I have similar thoughts especially in regard to The Force Awakens, which everyone seems to love but me.
>>81459569
Nice counter argument there. And regardless of how hard you defend it, the fact that this movie is such a disaster is clear that the current direction for Superman is not working. Shitty buzzwords isn't going to make it better anon.
>>81461571
I liked TFA, but only because Finn carried that movie entirely. He was the only thing unique about it; everything else was a such a blatant retread it isn't even funny, especially Rey.
>>81455889
I assume the tracker was in case he couldn't get them then and there.
>>81436156
Agreed and yet still feel like maybe it was somewhat disjointed. Overall it was good but could have been better
>>81462432
ayyy other anon with similar feels to bvs here, feel similarly about tfw
Poe x Finn pulled me into the movie along with Finns moments in the falcon. once it got to han i started drifting, especially so when it got to maz
>>81461571wanna be friends?
I guess I learned too late to never go on a review site for a what your opinion is of a film, I hated Jurassic World, but that has good reviews, liked Fury Road 7/10, and that has spectacular reviews across the board.
Completely flipped on BvS and TFA as well, as mentioned
>>81456354
Especially when people are so emotional about it that you get fucking insulted if you didn't absolutely hate this film as much as they do. Hell when you have a constant watch of this film dropping down he charts or whatever, i think you have issues.
Yeah it was far from perfect but what it did well it did really well, and unlike many comic book movies it felt very much like a live action comic book.
>>81436875
>not liking Aquaman
Shit taste anon
>>81456559
I saw it in 70mm imax
It was really great to watch
>>81436454
I'll admit Lex had an interesting personality, but I could barely understand some of the things he said throughout the movie without having to look up discussions on it.
His actions also seemed also illogical in the fact he was willing to destroy the whole world just to prove Super Man fallible.
>>81463368
I feel that aquaman needs a deleted scene that has him saying "Outrageous"
>>81436400
I don't think she was particularly feminist, she was just kind of there. Why would any feminist be particularly smitten with her portrayal?
>>81451591
Oooh that would have been great, along with an actual court scene with him explaining things before the place explodes
>>81451591
I wish he had time to actually talk before the Senate exploded. I don't recall him actually doing anything significant in terms of dialogue that let him actually be fleshed out.
>>81436222
>>81436510
This. Hans Zimmer said he really didn't want to do this movie, so he got help from Junkie.
>>81462432
I'll agree that I enjoyed Finn's enthusiasm.
But it was such a fucking formulaic movie stuffed full of nostalgia trying desperately hard not to be the Prequels, but just had no fucking soul.
>>81463280
I didn't read any reviews before I saw Batman v Superman. And most of the people I've talked too in the flesh actually enjoyed the movie.
For me it gave me a boner in my soul. As I said above the only thing I actually disliked was the Aquaman cameo.
I just want it to make lots of money so Warner Brothers decides to continue with Zack Snyder's vision for Justice League.
>>81439808
>Also it's not like he went around stabbing people to death
He literally stabs the fuck out of a dude in the warehouse.
>>81463634
That I would enjoy.
>>81463368
Also, it isn't that I dislike Aquaman as a character. I'm really excited to see more Aquaman. I just didn't like the small clip of him, it felt really crappy.
>>81463634
>/co/ then drowns all of Atlantis in a sea of cum hearing it
>>81464173
Because this Batman is Morrison's Batgod the only person he killed in this film was KGBeast.
Sure be made a bunch of other people cripples and vegetables, but he didn't actually kill them.
Prove me wrong.
>Batfleck
>Alfred
>opening scene
>Any action that was the bvs or doomsday fight
>>81464173
He stabs him in the shoulder and the guy is very clearly still alive, you can see him trying to take to out in the background.
>>81464124
While i agree that Star Wars was too "safe" i felt like it had to be after the prequels, and t did it's job well and was entertaining. ( at least to me) Rian Johnson's SW movie however i believe will be the one that more than likely will do something more interesting with it.
Really liked BVS though, it didn't succeed in everything it tried to do but what it did well it did really well. The hate this movie gets is unlike anything i have ever seen though. Even Schumacher's shitty Batman movies got less hate at the time. Fucking social media amplifies everything tenfold though.
>>81464173
Stabbed him in the shoulder. He's still alive and trying to remove the knife in the next scene where he throws the other goon into the wall.
That's another thing. Before i even saw the movie, some of the reviews had me thinking Batman was a borderline serial killer hacking people up or some shit. He doesn't kill any more or less than he did in previous movies
>>81439995
Wonder Woman was pretty cool, I'll admit.
>>81447514
Consider some perspective:
Should someone walk into this film with zero context, much of it could seem baffling.
My girlfriend and I went a week ago. She had not seen MoS and had little background as far as DC characters went.
Although she enjoyed parts of it, she had no idea what the fuck was going on in the dream sequences or what the Justice League sequences were. She liked EisenLuthor, but admitted that she wasn't really familiar with the character beyond knowing him as Superman's nemesis. She was sad whenSupes diedand asked at the end ifthe dirt moving on his coffin meant that he was going to come back to life.
Of course, most of these reactions would make your average /co/mrade turgid with contempt, but to someone who knows little about the characters and is simply being told a story, many of these questions become completely valid.
To us, Luthor releases Doomsday so that the Trinity can have a big fight at the end.
To someone who is unfamiliar with these concepts, Lex Luthor creates some kind of blood monster and then Superman and Batman have to fight it and then I guess that lady turned out to be Wonder Woman and she joins them as well.
![batman-vs-superman-image-4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5EX75Av.jpg "batman-vs-superman-image-4[1].jpg")
When I found out that Batman sees the Omega symbol at 52 minutes into the film. The Hypercrisis is real.
>>81456287
This.
Despite some pretty awful stuff, genuinely good bits are there- much like Man of Steel.
>>81464232
UH OHHHHHH.
>>81464466
Fucking love this scene.
>>81436129
Bruce trying to get to the Wayne building to save people.
WW was handled well and given enough personality in a few lines that made her stand out and be more entertaining than Affleck or Cavill. This has nothing to do with Gaddots acting any female actor could have played that fucking part and it would have worked i still think a solo WW film with her having to try and do more will be horrible.
That Batmobile design is actually pretty cool.
The ending. If they want to do things different to marvel i am totally fine if that means sometimes the heroes don't win.
Uh......
.....
...hmmm........
..........................
....wait!......no....
.............uhhhh..........
.................final fight scene with the big bad, BEFORE the spear scene
AFTER the spear scene was total shit
>>81464654
I don't think there's anything in this movie even remotely as bad as the tornado scene or Superman/Lois kissing in the rubble of Metropolis with that horrible line about first kisses. The dialogue in this movie was a major step up from Goyer's garbage.
>>81455823
Eisenburg going bald by being SHAVED is fucking STUPID
IT'S A SUPERHERO MOVIE
GIVE THE VILLAIN A WICKED BAD BURN OR KRYTONITE HAIR-POISON SIDE EFFECT
I mean GOD DAMN IT. Just being shaved is a big piss on everyone. I'd rather his hair fell off halfway through the movie and he was forced to wear a wig begrudgingly which gets taken away later at the end.
>>81464888
>>81464888
To say nothing of the fact that Lex Luthor should not go to jail by the end of the film.
The Joker goes to jail; Lex Luthor pulls strings and deflects accusations until he's cleared of all charges and left to stew in his penthouse office.
>>81464987
He was sent to Blackgate, he's clearly going to get out by pulling some strings with Waller. I think Viola Davis was confirmed for JL.
I just hope when he gets out he's more stoic and tries to get the world to believe he's a changed man, but is really seething when Superman comes back to life.
>>81465092
>Viola Davis
aww I was hoping for fat Amanda Waller
>>81465092
http://www.christianpost.com/news/justice-league-part-1-movie-news-lex-luthors-inclusion-in-the-movie-still-uncertain-says-jesse-eisenberg-160719/
>>81464724
They aren't dead. They're just really fucked up and probably invalids and cripples until their dying breath.
He didn't kill them though, Batman knows how to fire the canon on the Batwing for non lethal efficiency.
>mfw the best discussion of this movie happened in a Hypercrisis thread
http://pulpklatura.tumblr.com/post/141843209469/batman-v-superman-the-modern-revenge-tragedy
>>81455889
That scene...
>Bang! I'm tracking the--
>HOLY FUCK I DONT NEED TO TRACK JUST FOLLOW AND FUCK THEIR SHOT UP
>Almost destroy everything
No postcredits scene.
Seriously it's 2.5 hours people gotta pee.
>>81464987
The problem is he basically did nothing to hide his involvement with everything that happened.
>>81464306
>Rian Johnson's SW movie however i believe will be the one that more than likely will do something more interesting with it.
Nah, it's Disney. The only movies they're prepared to do something really interesting with are their Pixar movies.
>>81439598
>>81446607
DO PEOPLE REALLY NOT FUCKING REALIZE THAT SUPERMAN COULDN'T LOOK AT THE WHEELCHAIR GUY BECAUSE IT WAS SUPERMAN'S FAULT THAT HE WAS IN THE FUCKING WHEELCHAIR AND SUPERMAN FELT BAD
I hate the fucking movie but I hate people that can't infer shit even more
>>81436222
/thread.
>>81467754
Not to mention he's not using his x-ray vision 24/7. Why would he have any reason to suspect a bomb in the chair?
>>81463620
That's Lex Luthor. Who became president just to fuck with Superman and who gave up godhood so that Superman can't be happy.
>>81467754
I guess it's hard to notice when he feels bad there because he spends so much of the movie feeling bad.
>>81467754
>WHY CAN'T YOU JUST HEADCANON UNTIL THE MOVIE IS GOAT 10/10
Fuck that "inference" shit. If I have to write a good movie in my head I can do that from home and save my motherfucking money.
>>81468649
you have to be fucking deficient if you couldn't figure out that Superman felt shame and guilt and couldn't look at the man he crippled
motherfucker I mentioned in my post that I didn't even like the movie but you fuckers are so stupid it drives me nuts
>>81468571
Jesus Christ, this. Everyone I talk to is like "But Luthor is supposed to be smart, why would he have a plan that could kill him and the entire world?"
Because he had plans that wouldn't have done that and they all failed, and because HE REALLY FUCKING HATES SUPERMAN
I was definitely entertained by the movie, but definitely see its flaws.
I thought Lex's hatred for Super was underdeveloped. Yah, WE know Led hates him because that's how it's supposed to be, but the movie's explanation was "HEY! DARK DADDY ISSUES!" and didn't feel like it justified his motives as a character enough to threaten the earth and himself by unleashing Doomsday
>>81436129
Finally come to an end.
>>81469293
I agree with this entirely, Lex wasn't done justice here. I say this as someone who loved the movie.
>>81465257
denial.
denial.
denial.
>>81444605
It's been done and you've pleaded for death
>>81468673
Not that guy.
My Superman would have addressed him first.
Your Superman is emo.
