The single, worst decisions writers ever made in your opinion.
I'll start: killing Ultimate DD, off-screen, in a fucking tsunami.
He was boring anyway. It's not like they ever did anything interesting with him, they literally just copypasted 616 DD. If he had been more distinct from his mainstream counterpart I'd agree but as it stands... meh.
the past five years of xmen funny books
>>81426571
Ultimatum was the worst. They basically killed off half the heroes in the most random ways and with no set up.
>>81427180
Wolverine's death made me fucking drop the book.
Like I literally droped the issue and stepped one it as I went outside for a cigarette because I just couldn't deal with that level of retardation.
>>81426571
>worst decisions writers
Let's be honest all the worst decisions were made by editors, writers just get to be the ones that put their names on shitty corporate mandated comics
>>81427180
I would love if, in say 10 years, we get a tell-all from one of the Ultimatum editors that really goes into how one event nearly (or did) kill an entire line.
It is just fascinating how one could think to go about all these idiotic decisions in this event.
>>81427528
If they were that helpless against editors they could try writing under a pseudonym. Maybe even "Alan Smithee" just a big middle finger to them. But nope, they still put their names in their shitty comics, so it can't be ALL the editors' fault.
>>81427122
>that arm
Holy shit it's fucking meatwad from Aqua Teen
>>81426640
>they literally just copypasted 616 DD
Where was the part where 616 DD brutally beat up a teenage superhero?
>>81426571
Letting Loeb write anything for the Ultimate line.
Ending the Ultimate Line.
Lady Thor.
This ones more editorial, but Carol Danvers in a leadership position. She's a shit character whose only saving grace was she was a damaged alcoholic who slept around. Her Grrl Power crap is just annoying as fuck.
>>81427721
Ultimate DD was a dick.
And I loved that.
>>81427911
Fucking everyone in Ultimate was a dick.
>>81427971
Peter wasn't.;___;
>>81427608
They have the power to say no, but some people just shut up and take the work. Then fans associate their name with an awful comic
> sometimes that means–politely, professionally, without rancor–saying no or turning down the check. It can be nerve-racking,but while I cannot name names without embarrassing them, I can–purely off the top of my head–think of at least a dozen freelancers who hit every impossible deadline ever asked of them… who were pleasant to work with and always professional even if their editor was a jerk…and who always did exactly what their editors asked them to do, even if it was obvious to a blind man that the quality of the finished work was lessened, because they were trained to believe that their first priority was to serve their editor and do so in a timely manner, and whatever creative voice they brought to the table was secondary. They were good soldiers. They were great soldiers.
> All of those people have been unemployed for years.
http://thrillbent.com/blog/an-open-letter-to-young-freelancers/
>>81428278
Well, that's clearly their own damn fault.
Ultimatum. That's all I need to say.
>>81427608
It's called "making a name for yourself" for a reason. You can't build a reputation or a career under a generic pseudonym. I also imagine that even already established writers know that if they are under contract and stuck writing a book they know is going to be shit, It's better to bite the bullet and deal with it than do something that could could cost them work in the future.
>>81428278
>get into writing
>do only what you're told, never try to wrestled some creative control for yourself
>wonder what went wrong and why people don't admire your work
And they have done fuck all with this
>>81427402
Do you want to know how many times Wolverine has 'died?'
>>81429529
We're talking about the Ultimate universe, you smartass. He's dead.
>>81429415
Fuck off.
>>81429636
>>81429666
Fuck. Off.
>no Ultimate End
Faggotry in this thread is strong
>>81429685
>>81426571
This one was also bullshit.
>>81429415
I don't read much Marvel, but why does it seem like so many people get cucked?
>>81429876
But it describes you so well
>>81429967
It's not just one person who's tired of your shilling, buddy.
>>81429959
Marvel hates marriages, I fully except Hood to cuck creel in Illuminati
>>81429993
>any mention of the Inhumans is shilling
ok anon
>>81429904
What was this?
>>81430053
How? It's not like I said buy the Inhumans, hell you can hide the post if it bothers you.
>>81429415
Why bother? Nothing they haven't done before.
...
That sentence applies to everything about the Inhumans.
>>81426571
>The single, worst decisions writers ever made in your opinion.
Avengers Arena. Yes Im still salty.
Ooh, "Loeb doing stupid shit" thread?
>tfw Pyro was one of the nicest guys in UU before Loeb ruined him
All he needed was more character development, not turned into a rapist out of blue and get his hands cut off
>>81430228
Is that you Nico anon?
>>81430053
And you are in idiot.
>>81426571
I'm seriously hoping Daredevil gets a supporting role in a Spider-Man movie eventually. What are the chances of this happening?
>>81430761
Dunno. I don't think they'd get Cox in a big budget movie, and I'd be fucking pissed if they changed DD's actor, so I'd rather have Spidey make a cameo in the series.
>>81430761
>What are the chances of this happening?
Zero percent.
>>81430846
Yeah. Whether Spidey shows up in the show or Daredevil shows up in the movies, I'd be fine as long as the actors stayed the same.
>>81430846
>I don't think they'd get Cox in a big budget movie
Why not? The supporting cast certainly not but Cox himself just flows as Murdock/DD.
Sure, they could get whatever big name Hollywood guy they wanted but it's become pretty clear that just sticking a random big name into a costume and saying THAT'S TOTALLY DAREDEVIL GUYS isn't gonna work.
>>81430934
That's not how hollywood works, anon, but I hope I'm wrong.
>>81431052
Hollywood has shot itself in the foot twice now sticking Ben Affleck into random fucking superhero spots (I like Batfleck as a concept but it didn't work)
They're also starting to realize that people actually care about actor continuity and the like.
I'd never see Cox as Daredevil in a feature film, but if they wanted to throw in a cameo in a spidey movie or even the next Avengers, there's no way they'd change him out. Netflix shows are part of the MCU after all.
>>81431147
>I like Batfleck as a concept but it didn't work
It worked perfectly, it was the best thing in the movie, what are you on about?
And I don't agree with the continuity part. Hollywood gives no shits about actor continuity and I don't think they ever will.
>>81426571
It's the Ultimate universe. They've done way worse shit than that. Remember when they have Doctor Doom literal cloven hoofs?
>>81428117
Yea. That's pretty much the worst in all comics history. I mean, really, who thought "giving birth to your trans-dimensional husband" was super romantic? Honest to fuck.
>>81430063
From Ultimatum
>>81431147
>(I like Batfleck as a concept but it didn't work)
Wha-
Batfleck was one of the only good things about that movie.
>>81431446
Hey, fuck you. I liked that Doom and even if we somehow agree that it's bad, it's no way worse than anything in Ultimatum.
>>81430063
Quicksilver pushed a bullet through Cyke's head after Ultimatum.
>>81432342
Why the hell is there the sound of a gunshot, then?
>>81426571
So this is a Ultimatum thread then?
>>81433089
Sonic boom.
>>81426571
Seriously, fuck Bendis and his disregard of actual character history
>>81429529
i think anon meant it more as in the ridiculous way it happens, with Cyclops suddenly not being able to just close his eyes and Iron Man's armor just blasting him.
Like, i get magneto could control the armor to aim at Wolverine, but how did it control Jarvis also into firing it? like, does the beam just fire if the hand is on that position?
>>81426571
I guess Daredevil didn't see that tsunami coming.
>>81433517
>>81427542
After Loeb's son died, he used Ultimatum as his way of dealing with his grief. It becomes really noticeable if you read it with that in mind.
>>81435514
*badum tss*
>>81429415
>Turning Black Bolt's suit into Mass Effect armor
FUCK OFF
>>81427542
Probably won't get anyone to talk about it until Loeb quits Marvel.
Hell, Brevoort defends Ultimatum and Sins Past.
>>81430256
No
yes
>>81426640
>they literally just copypasted 616 DD
But made him 500% more dickish, as was the case for everyone in the Ultimate universe whose name didn't rhyme with Smeter Smarker.
>>81432342
Why?
>>81435881
DEAD DAD
>>81427721
He's pretty much Batfleck
>>81435819
Or Lony Bark, Phor, Rossica Rew, Way and Nen Smarker, Thon Thonah Tamenson...
>>81426571
not as if he saw it coming
>>81435974
Must have hit his blind spot.
>>81430011
>Marvel hates marriages
I think it's specifically Queseda. I remember a time before EiC Mexicanfood, where there were married characters...
>>81429415
>.....
>B-black bolt?
>FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>81427180
Nightcrawler. That one really stung. I mean really? The guy who cal literally just BAMF himself anywhere at the drop of a hat dies off panel in a flood? Just fuck everything.
The Blob fucking EATING Janet in Ultimatum was disgusting.
As soon as I finished the trade of it I burned the fucking thing.
>>81427830
Fuck off,geoff
>>81435962
Ultimate JJ doesn't count, because regular JJ is already a dick of the highest order.
>>81436360
Autism.
>>81436360
Hello Linkara
>>81436608
Nah, just another Anon that hated it too.
>>81435574
He did that with four other titles too.
Marvel needed to force him to take time off and see a psychiatrist.
>>81436608
Because only one person could have found that page completely stupid.
>>81427721
This whole story-line of US involving the gangwar was badass
>>81430011
>I fully except Hood to cuck creel in Illuminati
Ditto, only with Thunderball in Hood's place.
>>81430253
Who is that anyway? Sue?
This shit-tastic book. Almost every single hero is written out of character and makes ridiculous decisions. Especially Parker, Richards, and Stark.
Why some people actually praise this for its writing blows my fucking mind.
>>81436836
>Why some people actually praise this for its writing blows my fucking mind.
Probably because Cap died.
Also, dude, superheroes wage war, so unique and fresh!
>>81430253
What the fuck Loeb.
>>81436836
This book was so fucking bad that Captain America GAVE UP. Read that slowly. Captain America. Gave. Up.
Like ignore the fact that richards tried to play god with thors corpse, that stark was basically hitler, and that fucking spiderman WILLINGLY GIVES UP HIS IDENTITY TO THE PUBLIC,.....but when captain mother fucking America gives up....i draw the line.
This story is shit.
>>81436962
>Like ignore the fact that richards tried to play god with thors corpse
It wasn't only him, though. And it had consequences. Thor wanted to kill Tony for few years, Pym was Skrull and Reed got away scot-free.
Pretty much everything about Ultimatum that wasn't JJJ realizing how wrong he was about Spidey.
>>81437043
And? Stark tried to fucking imperialize asguard lmfao. That doesnt give the writers here an excuse to turn hald the marvel roster into morally broken villains hiding behind a half assed cause that almost none of them would ever buy into under a writer who actually understands their characters.
>>81437139
>That doesnt give the writers here an excuse to turn hald the marvel roster into morally broken villains hiding behind a half assed cause that almost none of them would ever buy into under a writer who actually understands their characters.
That's what they've been doing ever since Civil War. Only time heroes were kinda united was Secret Invasion and Dark Reign.
But know what's worst of it? Ride isn't stopping. Whole year will be hero vs hero events with silly amount of character assassination.
>>81430761
None.
"Hey mommy can I watch this series about that cool superhero who was in that family friendly Spider-Man film?"
>>81437244
Marvel is dead to me. I hope disney runs them into bankruptcy.
>>81426571
I think it was worse that somehow spidey didn't know who UDD was under mask even though he did during his own fucking run.
>>81427721
Was Daredevil way stronger in Ultimate? How can he do that?
>>81427784
All women characters are shit though.
>>81436836
What is worse is this was on of the steps into omd and bnd. Never picked up Spider-Man after that. I know some stories are good but it feels like there is no more certainty of continuity in the big 2 . Things change
>>81429959
>why does it seem like so many people get cucked?
because stupid fucks on the internet don't know what cuckolding means
>>81431147
There is noone in film that has acted as bruce wayne and batman in a way that is as close to comic book accuracy as ben affleck has.
what they had him do was often a bad choice. but noone has brought the smoldering intensity and authority to that role like he has.
>>81437381
Agreed. This book pretty much ruined spidy for me as well. I really cant read any spidy thats been written passed like 2005
>>81437363
PIS
the same way every average human strength person gets the drop on spidey and fucks him up somehow
>>81436773
Valkyrie.
Bendis has done some stupid shit in the past but there has been nothing worse than killing Ultimate Pete and give the book to Miles.
Not because Miles is bad, mind you, but U. Peter is the BEST Peter in any media. I'd rather have 616 Peter killed forever to be replaced by Miles.
Also poor Miles, he never got a change. The editorial forcing him into stupid events and then destroying his universe without letting Bendis finish the arc with any kind of grace. Jeez.
>>81437531
Like Asgardian Valkyrie? Like Asgardians have innate mental defences Valkyrie?
How has nobody posted this shit yet? Aunt May is dead and Spider-Man is still married. Spidey misses his aunt so what does he do? Get over it? Nope. He makes a deal with the devil to bring her back to life, ruining his marriage. I don't know what's worse. This or Ultimatum for killing every hero off in gruesome ways
>>81433517
I remember post-AvX to pre-Uncanny when people still thought Bendis on X-Men was a good idea.
>>81437559
I agree anon
>>81437609
It's complicated.
Long story short: she's a Thor fangirl who got godlike powers from Loki.
>>81435962
Ultimate JJ was a saint
>>81437612
Technically it was Aunt May was dying and Mephisto offered a way to save her. But yeah, awful, awful story.
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>>81438026
What's wrong with this? Kara is canonically stronger than Supes, who is canonically stronger than MM.
>>81438026
>has phasing
>jobs a lot
>>81437559
Remember when Bendis brought Ult. Pete back, had him run away, and then kill the ultimate universe a few weeks later without explaining how he came back or what he was going to do?
>>81427180
Out of all of them I loved Cyclopses death.
The fucking idiot goes on a podium to defend mutantkind after the most devastating attack by a sentient being on the planet and he has the balls to try and reason with people. The fuck did he expect would happen.
Bringing back Jean Grey 60000000 times. Seriously. Leave her be.
>>81437612
Isn't it weird how the "make Spider-man single and young again" are always the worst stories? You can argue whether the marriage is good or not until the cows come home but you gotta agree the writers have no fucking clue how to end it naturally.
>>81429415
wtf is happening?
>>81437381
Same here. OMD made me drop Spidey and shit like Spock and Spideyverse haven't really made me want to return. And after Avengers Arena I dropped Marvel comics completely.
>>81438144
Fuck I hate Quesada so fucking much
>>81438109
#notallmutants
>>81438109
I would've understood if it was done by a fucking human, but no, IT WAS DONE BY PIETRO.
>>81438215
Cyclops killed Magneto.
>>81438215
I only ever skimmed through ultimatum, when was it revealed that it was Pietro and why did he do it even? It seemed perfect if just some random dude who wanted to exact his revenge on mutants would do it.
>>81438193
it's not even Quesada, look at the Clone Saga. That was another attempt to get a "young and single Peter".
The writers seem to think if they get rid of MJ they'll instantly have a good Spider-man to write. Now this isn't true for all of them, JMS clearly likes Peter and MJ as a couple (which makes me think about how painful OMD was to write for him), but looking back OMD wasn't the first time they tried to throw a wrench in that relationship.
>>81437139
>Stark tried to fucking imperialize asguard lmfao
Isn't "Asgardia" currently a mix of Stark tech and infrastructure or something?
>>81438153
Black bolt getting cucked
>>81426571
Also when Peter said that he had no idea who Daredevil was right after that, even though he had seen Matt not only at his school but also freak out when his office was blown up.
>>81438257
Yeah, but the clone saga took years to come to fruition and was a great way to solve it: literally create a new single, kinda edgier Spidey and STILL have the happily married one. You can have both. Its the execution that sucked. The setup and potential was all there, but then like all stories, it gets all fucked up with too many hands in the cookie jar at once.
>>81436836
>We live in an era where a film adaption does more justice to the themes of the source material than the source material does itself.
>>81426571
What they did with the black kid DD after him was even worse.
>>81426571
The entirety of the fabled Adam Beechen/Cass Cain trilogy.
I know it was editorially mandated, but there was a thousand fucking ways to do the same storyline without destroying the character.
>>81438249
No it never was. In fact he drove the same bullet that killed Wanda through Cyclops' skull and then was talking about how she'd appreciate the irony. Despite the fact that Cyclops had nothing to do with Wanda's death and it was Doom's fault. Ultimatum and everything that led to it were retarded.
>>81429959
Not one character in marvel history has made his or her love interest with whom they've had an ongoing relationship, fuck someone else just to they or their partner get sexualy arroused by it. So no, Marvel doesnt cuck anyone.
Bringing Jason Todd back. DC tried to make it their Winter Soldier and have failed miserably since then. He brings nothing to the table, is a completely illogical member of the Batman family and he's been well written in a short number of occasions.
When your character returns because someone punched reality a bit too hard, you shouldn't go along with it.
>>81442677
Didn't Hush happen before Winter Soldier?
>>81427721
Spidey instinctively goes limp so he doesn't break people's hands.
>>81431446
>trans-dimensional husband that RAPES YOU
>>81444582
Sure but that wasn't Jason Todd. Which is a shame because it would've been way more interesting to have Jason be a Batman villain instead of what we have now.
>>81442677
The Under the Hood arc started a month after the Winter Soldier arc, but Hush happened two years before Winter Soldier.
>>81431446
>that entire trans-dimensional husband thing
they wrote her basically asking the team "what the FUCK were you thinking?" years later, didn't they?
>>81445191
Claremont did after he rescued from the avengers
>>81442572
>confusing cuckold fetish with being cucked in general
you realize that cuckold comes from the cuckoo birds that lay their eggs in another bird's nest, right?
>>81438051
Not really sure where you read that but its blatantly wrong.
>>81437320
Couldn't agree more, anon.
Such a damn shame too.
>>81431147
I want Matt Murdock to show up in the SpiderMan movie. Or any MCU movie with a court room scene. Just as a bit role but people would totally latch onto the blind lawyer with crazy charisma and fashion sense. Then they find out he has his own series.
SYNERGY!
>>81440190
Step 1: It shouldn't have been written by Beechen.
>>81445138
But fan reaction to Fake Jason Todd is almost entirely why they ever brought Todd back.
>>81435962
Yeah, but ultimate Tony was a drunk and Ult Jess was an angsty pain in the ass.
Ultimate May and JJJ were the most based characters in the universe though.
>>81437559
Miles has never been good though.
>>81429415
>That tacticool Black Bolt suit
fucking hell Marvel, please just die, BB's original suit was literally the coolest uniform ever
>>81437372
>Ms Marvel
>Moonstone
>>81436250
dazzler.
I really loved her character.
