>"B-but Batman never kills bro!"
>>81386141
Don't do this, it's only going to end in tears.
>>81386184
>>81386141
>implying you can't survive having your neck broken
>>81386141
In the first comics he used to kill...a lot.
>>81386527
>>81386527
>Implying you can decide whether a person lives or dies when you break their neck
>>81386141
>>81386527
>>81386670
>Not reading the comic where that page came from
Kek, nice try, /tv/
>>81386527Zod couldn't
>>81386656
That's the Joker you nignog.
>>81386739
>>81386141
This panel is from the story Batman: Second Chances. That's not really batman, it's an insane ex-cop who thinks he's batman.
>>81386819
DELETE THIS
>edgy snyderfags trying to defend snyder's mess
>>81386840
That was the response you deserve, /tv/
>>81386141
Bruce hasn't been the same since he started dating Diana
>>81386806
>b-but Ra's al Ghul is totally dead, Batman killed him!
Kek, nice try, /tv/
>>81386819
>>81386953
More golden age batguns
>>81387003
>>81387053
>b-but superman would never tell me to slap a jap
I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU
>>81386377
>>81386953
Said this before but these are literally from the first year the character was created
By Batman #1 he's the Batman we all know who hates guns and doesn't kill. And that was pre-comics code
>>81387053
melting Silver with a candle?
>>81387119
>By Batman #1 he's the Batman we all know who hates guns and doesn't kill.
Batman #1 was where he killed, remember? It was the one with the Monster Men and Hugo Strange in one of the stories.
They curbed his killing months or a year or two later.
>>81387119
>By Batman #1 he's the Batman we all know who hates guns and doesn't kill. And that was pre-comics code
it's a lame excuse.
>>81387119
So you're denying Bob Kane's original image of Batman now huh?
>>81387119
>>81387293
>SNAP
Hahaha, nice one.
go home /tv/ you're drunk
>>81387286
>Bob Kane's original image
He didn't say anything about blonde hanglider man.
Show me a comic scene from 1941 or later where Batman kills a human...and it's not a dream sequence or elseworlds.
Go on, I'll wait.
Before you complain that I'm being too selective keep in mind that I'm giving you 70 years worth of comics choose from. I'm only excluding 1939 and 1940 and eleseworlds/dreams of course.
Face it; any vigilante can go around killing his enemies, it's Batman's steadfast resolve NOT to lower himself to their level that makes him a hero. How much more skill does it take to incapacitate his opponent rather than just gun them down?
More often than not "reinterpretations" of the character remove this moral imperative, almost out of necessity. It is a limitation that requires creativity to overcome, every time a hack gets his grubby hands on the character they remove this imitation because the lack the skill to overcome it. Nearly every movie, elseworlds or tribute to the character foolishly, stubbornly, selfishly blunder down this path. It's like a puzzle, the end result is a wonderful picture but everyone just thinks it's fine to get out a pair of scissors and rend the pieces into more manageable shapes. The end result is just a mess.
>>81386784
That's Alfred Stryker
>>81386141
Google, Batman killing. Go to images. Come back with one and act like you know Batman.
This meme is dank yo. Upboats all round
>>81386141
He must have, at some point, cause a situation that killed someone.
>>81387119
Batman #1 features one of the most infamous Bat-kills though... Also he lets Joker die in B#1.
>>81387418
Batman kills Death Man. He might not kill him with a gun or anything but he pushes for him to get the death penalty, so he still kills him.
Those ears are absolutely hilarious. I mean fucking hell just look at them! Who drew this shit?
>>81387532
Letting Joker live makes him responsible for every life Joker has taken, and that's in the millions by now.
>>81387286
Yep, you're definitely from /tv/
>>81386868
He sure makes that once-in-a-lifetime exception a lot.
>>81387532
The comics don't like to dwell on this, but around 80% of Batman's victims die in the hospital of the brutal beatings and batarang lacerations he gives them.
>>81387573
Wait never mind, I just remembered Death Man got an ironic death and was struck by lightning.
>>81387418
Batman not killing is pretty hacky writing in itself seeing as how it's now it's just an excuse to keep Joker and the other rouges around.
Also does Batman think that Gordon is no better than a common thug seeing as how Gordon's job would requires him to kill criminals if the situation called for it.
>>81387608
why the heck does he let the joker goes to arkham and not just make a single prison for the guy or some shit like that?
>>81387680
>The comics don't like to dwell on this, but around 80% of Batman's victims die in the hospital
Stop talking shit faggot, go back to /tv/
>>81387735
>Batman not killing is pretty hacky writing in itself seeing as how it's now it's just an excuse to keep Joker and the other rouges around.
This to be honest (family). It's just a cheap excuse to reuse villains.
>>81386141
>Batman can't kill
>superman can't kill
>wonder woman can kill as much people as she wants
well, explain!
>>81387418
Batman: The Cult
>>81388062
/tv/: The Memelords
>>81387735
Not at all, Batman does not begrudge the police from doing their jobs.
The only person that he holds to a higher standard is himself, that's why he has subjected himself to the most extensive and rigorous training possible. He will not allow himself to take a life but he knows police don't have that luxury, nor would he take issue with the courts from assigning a death sentence.
>>81387418
Batman actually let KGBeast die (issue 420), but the new editor didn't want that, so 20 issues later, with a new writer, they retconned the story
>>81387680
I'm still surprised that I've never come across a story that deals with this. It'd be an interesting way to deconstruct the no killing rule.
>>81387741
Because he enjoys fighting him.
>>81388122
No that's the fucking story in which he machine guns down a guy.
Dude asked for a time where Batman killed. I named one of the most famous examples.
And you accused me of being from /tv/? fuck off
Why are people so butthurt about superheroes killing people? Heroes in action movies do that all the time and those aren't always special agents or policemen. Superheroes don't kill their villains because coming up with new ones every month for all eternity is a pain in the ass for the writers.
>>81386806
>But Batman... You've killed him!
>Have I Robin?
>...YES! Yes you did!
>>81388167
>The only person that he holds to a higher standard is himself
And the rest of the Batfamily
>>81388053
Warrior society
>>81386141
Of course he does. Depends on the author.
That isn't why the movie is shit though, not by a long shot.
>>81388053
Her fanbase isn't filled with moral fags.
>>81387094
I will forever kek at Batman reassuring himself:
>Well...he's proooobably better off dead?
>>81387286
So you'd be okay with a Batman movie staring a blond man wearing red and black tights with no cowl?
>DC is too dark and violent
>>81387680
there better be some insurance for fighting batman, because I doubt the hospital and medicine in gotham is fucking free.
>>81388425
Cap probably killed a shit ton load of guys during the war comics, cold war, viet war and all the war releated comics he appear.
>>81388611
He never fought in wars after WWII.
Canonically it's a different man wearing the same costume, and Steve only woke up in the "modern" era.
>>81388425
>give the gift of literacy
lol
>>81388053
>Batman can't kill
Because he can't allow himself to commit the very act that he seeks to avenge with his every breath.
>Superman strongly prefers not to kill
Because he has hope for all individuals and believes that all can be redeemed. He will sacrifice this belief in times of great danger to humanity.
>Wonder Woman can kill
Because she is a warrior raised to believe that the preservation of good may come at the sacrifice of evil. Evil must be purged for true peace.
No issues here friend, no hypocrisy.
>>81388181
Technically, he just locks the KGBeast in a room and opts out of a pointless fight. You could argue that he later had the police take him prisoner or that he knew a man of KGBeasts skill would eventually escape. Regardless, the KGBeast survived...
So, again, I ask for a scene from the past 70 years where Batman kills a human outside of a dream or elseworlds.
As a life long DC fan I have always found this argument to be irritating at best, if you prefer the murderous vigilante type why not read The Punisher or Invincible or something? Why constantly insist that Batman is a mercilous killer, it's a rubbish interpretation.
>>81388425
How can people say that anyway when Marvel has the Punisher.
>>81388938
Wasn't he drugged?
>>81388904
He killed darkseid, he was innocent!
>>81387286
Bob Kane is easily the biggest prick to have ever worked in the comic industry.
>>81387735
>Batman not killing is pretty hacky writing in itself seeing as how it's now it's just an excuse to keep Joker and the other rouges around.
Why can't they make the Joker just hard to kill? You don't have to make Batman a non-killer. Fucking shit writing
>>81388904
>Why constantly insist that Batman is a mercilous killer, it's a rubbish interpretation.
On the contrary I think Bruce crossing the line and then trying to bring himself back onto the "right" path could be quite compelling if done right. It only seems bad because the implications of Batman killing have never been satisfactorily addressed in a book. There have been plenty of stories where the no kill rule has come off as a poorly defined concept and a cop out yet it still remains the fan favourite interpretation because it has been presented incredibly well in some stories.
>>81388296
>Warrior society
>Wonder Woman came to america to learn about the modern world and shit
Well, looks like she didn't learned about a fair trial and shit.
>>81388954
Fuck, Marvel was top dog during the fucking height of 90s exxxtreme.
![batmanrob10p1628[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HMjMtaJ.jpg "batmanrob10p1628[1].jpg")
>>81387680
>implying they don't team up and seek revenge
>>81389138
>Why can't they make the Joker just hard to kill?
Ironically when Snyder did this in Endgame he ended the story with Batman attempting to kill him.
>>81389294
>Batarang guy
pfff, hahahahhaa, fucking great.
>>81389294
>Giant, sharp bars rang through the skull
How is he still alive?
>>81389371
Batarang
>>81388904
>Technically, he just locks the KGBeast in a room and opts out of a pointless fight.
Yeah but the setup was that if the KGBeast was arrested, he would get off due to diplomatic immunity. (Which I'm sure is fucking bullshit since he killed people and tried to kill the President in that story.) So the impact of the locked room thing only worked if he intended to lock him and starve him there. Naturally this is a big no-no for Batman so they did a follow-up story where KGBeast was just arrested.
But the KGBeast story, the Cult, and the story where >>81387303 and Death in the Family were all written by the same guy. Someone remind me why Jason Todd had to die again? I seriously hope it wasn't because fans were upset that Jason may or may not have killed that diplomat's son cause Batman practically does the things he was scolding Jason for in some of those comics.
>>81388938
Under the influence of brainwashing, torture and heavy narcotics Batman kills...oh well, I suppose I never did state in my challenge that he had to kill of his own free will. So that's one kill in 70 years worth of Batman comics...albeit with a heavy asterisk.
Bravo.
>>81389076
>Darkseid
Oops, the challenge specified "human," not evil space satan
And since he is immortal and has since resurrected I would hesitate to call it murder...perhaps attempted deicide or temporary banishment from existence would be more appropriate.
>>81387119
Batman killed in the Burton movies and those are the best bat films
>>81387293
Context?
>>81392488
You know it's an edit, right?
>>81392638
I realized after I posted it, I feel retarded.
>>81389371
Phineas P. Gage would like a word, but he's dead from old age.
>>81387161
A batcandle.
![4065113-2215848232-batma[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/myrqnTA.gif "4065113-2215848232-batma[1].gif")
>>81389602
Yes he did.
>>81387383
DC should have spent the week leading up to April 1st hyping up a new Batman costume and calling it a 'return to his roots'
Then on 4/1 they reveal the original Kane design.
>>81386860
>>81398543
Remember NES Batman, which was basically Keaton Batman but more murderous? He just fucking threw Joker off the cathedral.
Would NES Batman have just beaten up that strongman and shoved the dynamite into his mouth?
>>81387735
Batman (should be) obsessed with not killing. He's fine with cops doing it, but if you're a vigilante in Gotham and you want to run with him, don't bloody kill anybody. Some writers fail to convey how serious that is to Batman.
>>81386819
>insane ex-cop that thinks he's Batman
you know I really want to keep liking Grant Morrison but is EVERYTHING HE'S EVER DONE secretly cribbed from some silver age comic somewhere?
>>81389429
Nah Jason died because he was a little shitstain that no one liked. Dixon really was the one that drove that into the ground later but the elements are there in the original run even if Jason Todd fags like to ignore them.
>>81402319
Yes. It's why it's so funny to watch Morrison fags cry about Snyder cribbing generic storytelling elements Morrison used.
These misleading examples are ultimately unnecessary. There's plenty of room for various interpretations of Batman. While his no-kill rule is a vital part of his character now, I wouldn't say it's a fundamental part of Batman on conceptual level. We can have more than one kind of Batman.
>>81388563
OMG HIS PENIS
>>81386527
You can, I won the Olympics with a broken fricken neck. It's true, it's true.
>>81389602
Did you even watch them. He murdered the shit out of people.
>>81402319
But that was the point of Morrison's run
>>81389076
Darkseid wuz a gud boiy, he dindu nuffin.
>>81402293
That's retarded.
>>81387418
'Tec 814. Batman punches a gang member that falls to his death.
>>81387418
>>81404434
Cont. Batman then blows the building up with the rest of the gang inside it. This is from 2006.
>>81404446
Forgot pic.
>>81403708
(You) are retarded.
>>81389294
>The batarang guy literally did it to himself without Batman doing anything
Every time.
>>81387418
'Tec 821 2006
>>81389429
>Someone remind me why Jason Todd had to die again?
Because Jim Starling hated the idea of Robin and wanted Batman to be on his own and O'Neil made Jason as unlikeable as possible to get rid of him.
Jason was just the unlucky guy in the wrong time and the whole thing about him being so "unpopular" was just a myth dc created because of the backlash.
>>81387418
http://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1406.0
>>81386141
Okay one, that not Bruce Wayne
Two, writers fuck up. Just cause they do, doesn't mean its a pass for everyone to fuck up later.
>>81405062
That's just cherrypicking: the thread. Also, his latest kills are from around 2006, and before Morrison's run. All of which was pretty much retconned out of existence.
>>81387418
Good point. Whenever we get an "alternative interpretation" of Batman, the writer immediately jumps to "What if batman killed and used guns??"
Every time.
>>81403708
That's how crazy Batman takes it. Obviously people are going to disagree with it,, but I think that's how it should be portrayed. To show how serious Batman is about it.
>>81403708
Also, it's not called a "personal code" for nothing. If you make exceptions to it from "time to time" it's not much of a code live by.
>>81388335
Her fanbase isn't filled with anyone.
Gotham understands Batman better than Zach Snyder.
>>81387119
Batman stopped killing way before the Comics Code Authority. His definitive origin in Detective #33 is what established the character as having a no-kill rule.
>>81386141
That's not even Bruce Wayne in the image, OP.
>>81398543Ive never seen the Tim Burton movies. Now I want to.
>>81403708
It doesn't apply to everyone obviously, but it should for Batman.
>>81408617
>You can't kill murder
I know it's supposed to be poignant, but that is "people die when they are killed" tier.
Name a good version of Batman that kills.
That's right fag, you can't.
>>81411515
>>81387608
>not preventing evil means you cause evil
Nice b8
>>81388255
>but HAVE I Robin?
Batman never kills anyone because he knows the only thing that's ever going to cause is a new series later on where that villain comes back but more dangerous.
As a supesfag who absolutely hated MoS this is kinda glorious. Misery loves company and all that shit. I just never thought this would happen to batfags. I posted panels of Superman swearing or demonstrating a solid no kill code for more years than people been alive, disproved the Superman II shit legitimately, provided evidence why Bryne and the like should be discredited and created solid alternatives to the act in MoS itself without trying to be super rude to people about it. A legit waste of time.
>>81411756
Schway.
