Why do people take such offense at the idea of superheroes being progressive / "leftist" when they have always been that way? Why is it suddenly treated like some kind of crime for superheroes to be liberal when that's literally what they were created to be?
>>81280607
you kinda answered your own question
they 'fixed' what wasnt fucking broken by making it even moreso
Same deal with racial diversity even though it's been shoved down our throats for years. I think it's a reaction to the fact that the Internet allowed SJWs to be louder and more obnoxious than ever.
Because more often than not the characters are being used as a vehicle by the writers to make a petty sanctimonious grandstand on some particular transient political kerfuffle that they should really be above.
>>81280686
but they're just doing what they've always done
Superman always stood for the oppressed, Batman fought corrupt police, Wonder Woman was for women's rights. etc. It seems like people who don't actually read comics complain about these things like they're bad things.
>>81280706
Falcon and Black Panther are good examples of racial diversity. They are original characters with their own identities.
There's a difference between being liberal and "kill whitey, yes all men, looking at me is literally rape" types.
>>81280607
I don't think you understand what leftist means
the very existence of a superhero is a symptom of a society, government, collective, or what have you failing to do what it is supposed to be doing.
it's a private individual serving the public. That's about as right wing as you can get
being a liberal is a right wing ideal
I haven't been reading shit in the last few months, has there been any Trump references shoehorned in anywhere?
>>81280827
Yeah, they've been playing up the similarities between Trump and Lex Luthor recently.
>>81280827
Not as such, but Marvel's got a thing coming up about Loki running for President.
I'm sure that's going be nice and cringe inducing. Hopefully we get some more of them dank GamerGate references to really drive it home.
Because you're on 4chan and it's contrarian and edgy to be more right leaning.
I don't have a problem with a character being left or right. So long as it's in service to the character or story.
It's when the writer needs to soap box rant just to make his or her own personal beliefs heard and gives no regard to the character or story being told.
For example that infamous Angela queen of hel page. It's not really servicing the story or Bor at all. It's just the writer taking the piss out of mras and her own personal internet detractors.
>>81280898
lone of the few places where having the opinions of out of touch old white men is edgy and rebellious.
>>81280813
What? That's totally not a right wing thing to do
>>81280976
Hah.
>>81280954
>I don't have a problem with a character being left or right. So long as it's in service to the character or story.
This was Hawknan (Katar Hol, and later retconned to being Carter Hall too) and Hal Jordon's hat for awhile; they both leaned very right-wing politically speaking, though in Hal's case I'm guessing he was always too busy and too much of a freaking retard to even know when to vote.
>>81280607
This doesn't seem liberal to me, anon.
There is always going to be a difference between 1940s captain america fighting nazis and 2010s captain america being used as a mouthpiece to justify illegal immigration
Modern leftism is a joke espoused by upper middle class white people who are eager to find someone to hate and therefore determine that poor white people and white men are the problem who must be hated. It's all based in hate and contrasted vastly with original comics where "oh superman defeats the kkk" or "oh captain america beats up commies".
Modern leftism is a form of hate politics, it wasn't like that in the past. /pol/ wouldn't exist at all and most of them would be Democrats if modern leftism didn't espouse an ideology that is outright hostile to them.
>>81281204
Are you kidding me? Japs are privileged white people now.
>>81280720
Expanding on this, I think there's also a difference in the magnitude of the issues that characters are being used to comment on.
In America & the west today, racism & sexism is all but dead except in the minds of those who seek it out. There has NEVER been a better time & place for racial minorities in the last several centuries than in America today.
So when you have these characters grandstanding on these issues, often conjuring unlikable one-dimensional strawmen to do it, it rings hollow. It smacks of desperate writers trying to co-opt headlines for cheap material when they lack the insight & perspective to make a salient point of their own.
>>81281258
>Modern leftism is a form of hate politics, it wasn't like that in the past.
You know the KKK was mostly Democrats, right?
>>81280706
>>81280772
Racial diversity pisses people off because most of the time when you race-swap a character there's some asshole going "lol fuck you white bois". Being that the comics audience is mostly white men it should be no surprise that a large portion take offense to a direct attack on them by their own hobby.
>>81281258
>2010s captain america being used as a mouthpiece to justify illegal immigration
This never once happened. You're just creating imaginary scenarios to get mad at about comics you've never read.
>>81281379
Democrat and Republican aren't necessarily cognate to left and right
There was no communist KKK after all
>>81281412
What about the comic where Captain Falcon beat up a bad of militiamen in the desert who were shooting at illegal immigrants and being cartoonishly racist?
>>81281490
All racism is cartoonish.
>>81280607
>Why do people take such offense at the idea of superheroes being progressive / "leftist" when they have always been that way?
Because the average person is far more right wing these days.
>>81281440
Is this dobson? Also I like how he keeps going back to "muh minorities", he seems incapable of realizing that most of /pol/ would see white liberals gassed before they ever even bothered with non-whites. It's like the idea that he's genuinely the primary target of their hate goes right over their head.
Batman and Superman were both always far Right authoritarians
>>81281490
He was saving Serpent Society-funded terrorists from kidnapping illegal immigrants for genetic testing. Saving people from getting kidnapped, killed and worse is hardly "justifying illegal immigration."
>>81280769
>policemen shooting unarmed black men
>literally dindu nuffin, with Batman
Gee, I wonder why people don't care for this.
>>81281490
The Sons of the Serpent have always been a cartoonishly racist militia.
>>81281672
I disagree.
>>81280607
No, much of the Golden Age was marked with hyper nationalism and Silver Age comics were forced to be conservative.
>>81280886
They haven't.
>>81280976
>I don't think white people and police officers are literally Satan, Hitler, and slavery combined
>out of touch
I'll take fantasy if this is reality.
>>81280895
It's by Chris Hastings, Anon. Let's wait for the first issue. It's not like half of us weren't going to pirate it anyway.
In the 60s they were progressing from segregation to civil rights for blacks.
In the current year they're progressing from everyone treated equally to special treatment for special snowflakes.
>>81281752
You'd be wrong. Vigilante justice is an ideal of far right facsicm. It's what made these characters good.
>>81281379
You know the parties switched politically in the past right?
>>81280607
The original Superman was very conservative, right-wing and somewhat of an asshole towards Jimmy Olsen.
>>81281911
>Vigilante justice is an ideal of far right facsicm
TIL Black Lives Matter is a far right fascist group.
>>81281963
Anon...
>>81281802
Most people don't think that though. Assuming we discount the small amount of extremists, which we have to or else We'd just be throwing epithets at each other's worst examples.
Politics of the book depend on the politics of the writer. Batman was definitely a conservative hero, look at Bob Kane, he's no liberal. Then you have super-libertarian Ditko pushing his ideology lightly on Peter Parker, more on The Question, and hardcore on Mr. A.
>>81281963
TheSturmabteilung in the early rise of the Nazi party are the quintessential vigilantes as far as real life vigilantes go. You're missing so much of what makes Batman good if you think he isn't a staunch traditionalist and Right wing authoritarian
>>81281043
Sure it is anon. The right has always given more to charity and served its communities by building businesses and neighborhood watches and such.
Conservative just means being conservative with taxation and spending. Small government solutions.
Liberal just means being liberal with taxation and spending. Big government solutions.
When superheroes take even crime fighting into their own hands they're being as conservative as anyone can get.
>>81282038
Didn't Stan Lee and Ditko have a feud on Spider-man's direction? Lee wanted Spidey to be left-friendly for helping the sales while Ditko wanted his character to be a right-wing and push those filthy hippies on his place. Ironically, it was Stan Lee the one who introduced Ditko to Ayn Rand
>>81280607
Because it's starting to go past social commentary and into the realm of people writing about mythical antagonists they've never actually encountered.
When you see stuff like "[UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ABOUT ISRAEL]", I guarantee you the author can't even give an example of an uncoil cited opinion about Israel. They just know this thing is bad, so they are going to have a villain associate with it.
>>81281595
>body inflation art is the only way to stop 4chan
Yes it's Dobson
>>81280607
Outside of 4chan? 24 hour news outlets and sites desperate for clickbait with a chip on their shoulder ready to take umbrage at anything high profile enough.
On 4chan? On /co/? I don't even know anymore.
>>81280886
Well Lex Luthor is a hero in the comics now.
>Based Didio
>>81281911
>facsicm
>A phenomena of the right
Top kek m8. The nazis were socialists.
>>81281684
Having "le right wing militia" is obviously a dig at people who are rightly pissed off at illegals regardless of your justifications.
>>81280607
Capes are just corporative mascots.
>>81280607
Because Superheros are supposed to be the good guys.
>>81281911
Superman was created by lower class jews who lived in shitty crime ridden ghettos in new york whose idea of a hero was someone who would come along and kick the shit out of the mafia since the police were so completely ineffective/corrupt at the time
>>81280607
Because a lot of people either don't realize it or their/the general idea of leftist has changed to something they don't like any longer.
Also different writers.
Also also fake fuckers latching onto the idea that Capes are inherently conservative because they're stereotyped that way.
>>81282223
>le national socialism is the same as democratic socialism meme
Jesus read a book or at least fucking wikipedia
>>81280607
>ey were created to be
well this is what I found, that their creators ideas for them were if not simplistic, then idylic, and It worked, they ticked over in harmony from what I can tell.
by issue #186 (late sixties?) it's a complete quagmire. They win the day , but it doesn't even feel like it's the right thing to have happened.
>>81282135
I think that was a Fables reference.
>>81282127
Supposedly there are instances where Ditko put in anti-protestor panels that were then worded by Lee (i.e. "The Marvel Way") to be in favor of them. There's one in particular where Spidey swings over a protesting group and expresses solidarity in a thought balloon where supposedly Ditko intended him to be thinking ill of them.
>>81282223
The nazis killed actual socialist. He offered changes without being a red, what bring him the popular vote and the support of the elite, also the admiration of industrialists like Henry Ford. That's why the eurocucks didn't expect Hitler would sign a non-aggression pact with Stalin
>>81282260
It's tough out there for a conservative cape.
>>81282269
"Im not a nazi, Im a democratic nazi"
I have read up on the subject. The nazis were left wing. Leftist rhetoric is the perfect way to get the people to give you unlimited government power.
>>81282214
In the current era leftism is more concerned with attacking perceived enemies than solving the actual problems that face the communities they represent
>>81282256
Ironically, those lower class jews were robbed by a rich corporation with connections with the mafia, like many comic authors from the 30s and the 40s
>>81282324
No, I'm merely aware and not drinking the kool-aid.
>>81282354
Leftists only have one adgenda. To amass more power, so they can stay in power, so they can amass more power. There's no real purpose for it other than keeping them in charge with no end goal.
>>81282335
>nazis are on the same side as jews
>>81282335
Well, according to you monarchies must be as left as it gets.
>>81282354
In their world view, drug addicts and criminals are victims, while any authority figure who inspires fear is an oppressor and the enemy
>>81282413
>Leftists only have one adgenda. To amass more power, so they can stay in power, so they can amass more power
Sounds like typical politicians
>>81282327
The nazis were actual socialists. Their flag was red for that reason. They killed communists because communists are internationalist in outlook.
The conflict between nazis and communists is no different from conflicts between Maoists and Stalinists or Marxist-Leninists and Trotskyites. Socialism overall is a dogmatic philosophy and each group is at loggerheads with the others over the correct philosophy and labels all others as "not real socialism".
Because of this Socialism is very occasionally labeled as a non-theistic religion rather than an economic theory by its detractors, in the same was Islam is sometimes labeled a government form with religious trappings by its opponents.
>>81280607
I don't know why you insist on re-posting this smarmy garbage over and over again. Did you take all those bullshit posts from old threads with false equivalences between old social commentary in comics and the "Daily Show"-tier comedy in modern comics seriously, or is this just the latest dank meme?
>>81282260
>trump hat
>when the context of the quote is Cap saying that just because politicians and ceo's collaborated to make human rights violations legal doesn't mean he's going to accept it
>>81282436
Well, putting a bunch of drug users in jail is certainly not helping solve anything in the last years.
>>81282448
Nazi Germany didn't seize the means of production, they weren't socialists.
>>81282413
Speaking to individuals and small groups though you realize these people are mostly in it for reasons of personal dislike for opposing groups or to stoke their own egos
Hence why they teach that slavery is the cause of black poverty
>>81282413
>To amass more power, so they can stay in power, so they can amass more power.
And right-wingers are different how?
good god, no one expect a fucking breitbart commenter uses "sjw" or "leftist" as a descriptor.
get outside of your echo chambers
Leftist politics of when these longstanding characters would be conservative by today's standards. Superman never busted anyone out of Manzanar so really he wouldn't give 2 shits about Muslims being asked 5 more questions at the airport.
>>81282448
Are you implying Henry Ford and Walt Disney would admire a commie? That's anti-American
>>81282492
Not all socialists are communists as I just said. Communists will claim nazis aren't socialists because socialist groups always try to de-legitimize other socialist groups in order to monopolize the working classes.
>>81282448
Nazis had right as well as left wingers in the beginning. Later the rightist policies took over as Strasser was killed during night of long knives.
>JFC pick up a book
>>81282564
Socialism is specifically when the government owns the means of production, communism is when the workers do. Neither case was true for Germany.
>>81282448
A true far Right government structure is a strict social hierarchy under a single monarch or oligarchy comprised of a ruling aristocracy. It's not something "the people" have any say in at all
>>81280607
>it's an "OP doesn't know the difference between liberalism and progessivism" thread
>>81282214
>You don't get that kind of life experience and remain liberal, unless you;re a moron
Case in point: Judge Dredd started out as a satire of absurd gung-ho police mentalities, but nowadays Wagner himself wishes Dredd were real to knock some sense into thugs.
>Truth
>Justice
>American Way
Superheros are literally the building blocks of normalizing imperialism and exceptionalism. The "liberal" moral themes that they play upon are a token gesture to try and disguise something that, at its heart, is authoritative simply by their actions.
>>81282239
>Capes are just corporative mascots.
This. Capefags always like to whine about politics in their comic books even though capes have been a cheap vehicle for politics since their conception.
>>81282479
And what's your point exactly?
>>81282537
Rightist forces in the 1930s found the rise of socialism and the decline of traditional republicanism and monarchy to be a problem for them. Naturally they chose the form of socialism which let them keep their property as opposed to the one which wanted to liquidate them.
>>81282604
Maybe in Europe. The american right has no tolerance for monarchs.
>>81282504
It's not so much slavery as Jim Crow that came after it, that fucked blacks up worse. That and whole fact that they were thrown into a society that didn't want them and actively hated them (in the South). There's a bunch of factors but the past affects shit far longer than most people consider, or even know.
>>81281928
Republicans still call themselves the "party of Lincoln" so of course they don't.
>>81282657
Nazis were European
>>81282572
>a system which advocates massive government expansion to the benefit of the working classes isn't socialist because only communism is socialist
>>81282623
6/10 You almost had me.
>>81282672
>That and whole fact that they were thrown into a society that didn't want them and actively hated them (in the South).
Honestly this is true for the entire United States, just look at New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles. The south gets singled out because it holds the largest population of black people.
>>81282596
Nazism was the revolution of the German working class anon. It was socialism for the Volk, the native ethnic people of Germany. It was a workers movement just like communism
>>81282596
>only my special version of socialism is actually socialism
Like I said filthy dumb commie scum are always at loggerheads with one another over the "correct" version of socialism.
>>81281752
I find it funny that everyone accepts that Nazis were evil and are the universal bad guys, but ISIS are essentially Nazis and progressives feel the need to defend them because they're not white.
I swear if Hitler was resurrected and came back black, Libtards would act like he's misunderstood
>>81280607
because i like superman when he has a flying dog and jimmy would turn into a giant turtle
Golden Age Superman was okay but he was just a bully in those issues DESU.
>>81281928
Yea, because after freeing the slaves, and fighting for civil rights, and having men like Lincoln and MLK on your side, the smart move it to change places.
>>81281374
>There has NEVER been a better time & place for racial minorities in the last several centuries than in America today.
Which doesn't mean equality.
>>81282623
If you don;t know he didn't add the American Way until the Cold War, you clearly don't belong here.
>>81282716
True, I just live in the South and tend to default to their experience and reactions.
Conservatives can be mean old fuddies and silly religious nuts, but it generally stops there.
Leftists are dangerous because they treat "Progressivism" as a religion, first and foremost.
in which Apostates are dealt with very brutally.
the last thing you ever do is put leftists in power.
>>81282721
No it wasn't. Oscar Schindler wouldn't have been able to do what he did if he didn't own the means of production.
>>81282726
Check the dictionary mate.
>it's a /pol/ on /co/ episode
>>81282744
in what fucking narrow universe do you live in where progressives defend ISIS?
>>81281963
The organization which gets mad because public buildings like libraries won't allow them to have "Black Only" meetings? Yeah they're so mis-understood....
Superheroes, especially Superman, are more like fascist power ideals. His very existence is couched in the fascist idea of superior ubermensch.
>>81282744
>Progressives defending ISIS
Seriously? I've never heard this. Sounds pretty funny tbqh.
>>81282672
No, that's hugely incorrect. Jim Crow has absolutely nothing to do with modern black poverty. Modern black poverty remains disproportionate and widespread because the poorest people are the ones having the most kids- 70% of black children are born to single mothers, 1/4 are born to teen mothers. Under such conditions it is impossible to build wealth and pass it from generation to generation.
Simply bringing black teen motherhood rates and single motherhood rates down to the white level would result in black poverty fixing itself in a generation. As things continue, black poverty will only get worse as the black underclass continues to expand.
>>81282635
that the closest to a trump analogue in Civil War was Norman Osborn, who Cap considered one of the enemy
>>81282744
Anon, people defend Nazis even today, that's the internet for you.
And the same thing about ISIS, most people agree that they're terrorist, terrible and fucking insane, some argue that framing everything Arabic as ISIS is not the solution, and some few are just fucking idiots.
>>81281752
You dink, leftists at the time called FDR a warmonger for wanting to intervene. WTF are you even doing posting a comic that wasn't made in that era?
>>81282744
When the fuck did this happen? Or are you just making shit up?
>>81282767
Do you have anything of substance to add or what?
>>81282672
Up until the 40s, Blacks had identical unemployment to whites, and had lower rates of single motherhood.
>>81282692
>Benefit of the working class.
Read up Mussolini's writing on fascism.
>>81281928
No they didn't.
Democrats still hate black people.
>but blacks vote for democrats
thats their problem
>>81282780
Reading is for faggots
>>81282780
>a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Hence why democratic socialism which enables private property is still socialism, regardless of what communists believe.
>>81282604
>It's not something "the people" have any say in at all
the people say when it's time to bring out the pitchforks and torches
>>81282762
Equality is a lie and always has been
>>81281379
Republicans began courting the racist vote when a Democratic president (JFK) signed the Civil Right Act. They stuck to their prejudice rather than their politics and began jumping ship en masse.
>>81282849
Fucking comic book history.
Superman was always about Truth and Justice, do you have something against that?
>>81282804
Just like it should be
>>81282773
You having a laugh, m8? In my experience they're often violent alcoholics who beat their wives and children and wind up in jail. Every junkie I've ever known? Republican. Every alcoholic? Republican.
They're just as fuckin' cocksure that hatin' the right people makes them good folks when really they're just fucking awful.
Fuck Louisiana.
>>81282807
>>81282848
>Hurr durr if you don't let migrants in you're racist
>Hurr durr ISIS is just retaliating against Western oppression
I hear it all the fucking time
>>81281963
black lives matter are paid for and controlled by left wing cultural elites.
>its a grass roots movement
HAHAHAHHAHAA
>>81282839
In what way is Trump campaigning to make human rights violations illegal?
>>81282818
never? they do it all the time, make excuses for them all the time, how we've "deserved" their attacks, and a million other things.
>>81282871
Most economies are mixed, which is a good thing. Pure capitalism or pure socialism/communism results in in a specific group of people having too much power. There are legitimate arguments regarding how mixed an economy should be.
>>81282773
but what about Middle America
the flyover states are simultaneously a barren wasteland and the breeding ground for every societal ill in the nation
if we don't support the Left they'll suck the life out of each and every one of us, Wonder Showzen said so
>>81282900
Women deserve to get beat every now and then desu. You gotta keep them in check.
>>81282900
Anecdotal evidence is never a good source.
Most people have a shitty side regardless of the political spectrum they adere to.
>>81282902
ISIS is legit out fault though. Can you spell "power vacuum"?
>>81280607
It's not the liberalism that people take issue with/
It's shit likeUNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL??
>>81282826
So this just pops out of nowhere? In a vacuum?
back to /pol/ with you
>>81282902
You forgot.
>Hurr they just need jobs.
>>81281963
BLM is openly funded by Soros.
as are many groups just like them all over the world.
>>81282902
Where do you even hang out?
>>81282818
The Islamic State itself has been open about appealing to Leftist sensibilities in portraying themselves as the leaders in the fight against Western capitalism and colonialism. Watch any of their propoganda videos and you'll see it
>>81282909
He like wants to make Borders and Kill Muslims and shit.
>>81282944
>Most people have a shitty side regardless of the political spectrum they adhere to.
My point is that Republicans use their shitty fucking political ideology as a shield for their shitty fucking personal actions in just as dogmatic a fashion as Anon was just accusing "Leftists" of.
(Lel, Leftists. We all know this is Democrat vs Republican bitching because the election's coming up.)
>>81282946
the liberals wanted us to leave so we left.
then the liberals blamed us for leaving and causing a power vacuum,.
>>81282946
>The Nazis are legit our fault though. Can you spell "power vacuum"
There's an extent of truth to it, but it doesn't excuse what they do. It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
>>81282672
It's still about making excuses the left can come and fix.
1. Invent a problem.
2. Sell the solution.
Oldest scam in the books.
Meanwhile the Right's advice of work harder and don't be stupid has an overwhelming success rate.
>>81282413
>Leftists only have one adgenda. To amass more power, so they can stay in power, so they can amass more power. There's no real purpose for it other than keeping them in charge with no end goal.
But I bet conservatives aren't like that, right?
You authoritarian bastards are all the same.
>>81282883
the republicans pushed it through congress, nice try though.
The republicans didnt have to worry about the racist vote because the Dems were all down south.
Try again though, bub
>>81282214
>The best lesson my mother ever taught me was, if you're a young republican, you're heartless. If you're an old democrat, you're an idiot.
Your mom was Winston Churchill?
>>81283012
>(Lel, Leftists. We all know this is Democrat vs Republican bitching because the election's coming up.)
Good thing I don't live in America. I just like Superman.
>>81280769
> Wonder Woman was for women's rights
Nigga she was for a guy's S&M fetish.
>>81283013
Saddam was a bad man, but he kept the Worse People in check.
>>81283058
He and his wife, it was a couple effort.
Equality at it's finest.
>>81283064
>Saddam
>Bad
Nah, he was based.
>>81280607
Because being progressive in the 20s and being progressive now isn't the same.
>>81283013
Anon please, America can't stay in Iraq forever, and nothing they were doing was fixing the problem that needed to be fixed.
>>81282946
>power vacuum
In what way does the Arab spring failing to topple gaddhafi and assad peacefully resulting in civil wars in both libya and syria have to do with the west?
>>81282965
Back to tumblr you self-centered, egotistical moron. When you subsidize people shitting out tons of kids who would rather live in the worst parts of town without working then they end up shitting out hordes of kids.
Even more so 55% of black people are located in the South. The majority of impoverished white people are also located in the South. The South in general is poorer and more rural.
You know nothing and seek to defend your retarded bullshit without offering real solutions. Kill yourself.
I don't think vigilantism is inherently a left wing or right wing idea. Everyone fantasizes about being heroes, taking down bad people, etc.
But this thread isn't really about superheroes, is it?
>>81282991
The Islamic State leaders have doctorates on Islamic studies. Also, the founders of the Islamic Fundamentalism studied on European universities and they were inspired by the French Revolution's classic authors. They aren't savages, they're the result of western education. The nazis weren't savages either and the atomic bomb was the result of the most brilliant minds of its time
>>81283030
We don't have to vote for either though. People need to realize you don't have to vote for Sanders, Trump, Hillary or Cruz.
Also, posting Cap
>81283013
>>81283064
Additionally it wasn't just "liberals" it was "most of America." The Iraq war was sold as something that would be wham bam thank you ma'am, shock and awe, mission accomplished. If they had honestly sold it as "This is going to take generations of occupation and the lives of many soldiers over those years" no one would have supported it.
>>81283092
>He and his wives
ftfy
>>81282960
You can't have one without the other, though. The amount of insider signaling and peacocking you need to do in order to keep up appearances as a liberal/centrist in the US is inane at best, and insane at worst.
>>81283012
But your anecdotal evidence is wrong >>81282969
If a group of people are overwhelmingly one thing it stands to reason most of the ones with social ills will be part of that one thing.
>>81283167
>>81282946
They are out fault, but for entirely different reasons. ISIS exists because we created it. We amassed a group of "rebels" to fight Assad, until we realized that they were ultra hardcore fundamentalists that wanted to spread the islamic caliphate. then we stopped giving them weapons, but we cant actually admit that theres little difference between Rebels and ISIS because that exposes the nitty gritty of us being responsible and makes us seem like hypocrites for not wanting to help "freedom fighters"
>>81283104
>Save those people from Saddam!
>okay
>now leave those people to Islamic terror groups
>Ok
>How could you do that?
it really was a no win situation, as is everything that happens in the middle east, what a shitshow.
>>81283064
Saddam wasn't even that bad, he openly knew he had to be incredibly harsh to keep those fucking animals in check and he was right.
>>81282875
Then they get put down like dogs until they learn their place in the hierarchy
>>81283030
You're confusing political parties for ideologies. Republicans and Democrats are just teams for trying to win political power. Conservatism as an ideology is for limiting power.
>>81282826
IMO you're taking an extremely narrow look at the issue. You're looking at whats keeping people in poverty and not what led to that situation to begin with.
You aren't looking at the general trends in the past, the disenfranchisement and work opportunities that led that single mothers grandparents to stay in the underclass.
It's like if you drop two people onto a deserted island. The one who is familiar t or has some survival knowledge will live longer than the other.
People's circumstances affect them more than a lot of people consider, and for every happy underdog story there are a million that end exactly like you expect.
>>81283058
That's not exactly exclusive.
Marston's idea of an empowered woman was heavily tied to being domineering and literal bondage. Fetishism and politics are a bad mix in practice but they make for an interesting read.
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>>81283013
Everybody wanted out of Iraq though, unless you count shit-head chicken hawks as Americans.
>>81282850
>Up until the 40s
Look up the GI Bill
>>81283242
>>81283168
Good luck having a mind of your own
Thanks Reagan
>>81283141
No, anon, the superhero thread that starts with reposts from 6 other threads isn't really about superheroes at all.
And yet, we're posting in it anyway.
>>81282995
>He like wants to make Borders
About fucking time. So sick of not having a bookstore near by.
>>81282807
>>81282818
>>81282848
Literally Bin-Alfqi
>>81283018
Working harder doesn't work if you're working stupid. Like, you can work 3 jobs for 60 hours a week and still be living terribly because your job experience is nontransferrable and you're spending more time working than you are trying to improve yourself to get better jobs.
>>81283242
>I'll hold off the Army
I love Cap
>>81283058
she can be both
>>81282515
>>81283030
Conservatives at least have goals besides remaining in charge. The only goals liberals have is to increase their pandering levels, so they get more votes.
>>81282995
>Kill Muslims and shit.
he wants to stomp out ISIS, if thats what you mean. If you are an American muslim, he isnt going to touch you. if you are a Muslim who wants to come in however, that's going to stop for a while. Like we stopped most immigration from Axis countries in WW2.
>>81283250
well thats tough shit, its war and occupation, shit gets rough and people get tired and their little feelings hurt and want to go home and take off this uniform and leave the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTNWiApuJI
thats too fucking bad, we should have set that place up as a Vassal state to America like real conqurors do and brought civilization to that shit hole.
but here we are.
>>81280772
And they were the result of conscious decisions to add diversity to comics, no less.
If nobody had stopped and said "Lets make this superhero black" there never would have been any black superheros
>>81283374
>increase their pandering levels, so they get more votes.
You still haven't explained how the Right is any different from the Left.
>>81283374
Conservative goals is to maintain the status quo, what deep down mean nothing
>>81282260
>Also also fake fuckers latching onto the idea that Capes are inherently conservative because they're stereotyped that way.
The other day I saw someone say "Cap would never be a socialist."
When people pointed out that Cap was a New Deal Democrat, he got pissed.
>>81282847
Some leftists did. Not all. Jack Kirby was a lifelong liberal and he created Captain America out of disgust at Nazi Germany.
>>81283250
I didn't want out of Iraq. I opposed the War from day 1. It was only after 2004 that I started supporting it, because I hated the hypocrisy of bombing a people to ruins and then jetting off. They deserved American education, American support, and American values. And they were denied it all, leading to the tribal and religious wars they're fighting right now.
>>81283312
Borders died for a reason. Good riddance to 'em, too. This country needs consistent discounts on its books, not reams of coupons.
>>81282224
So? He hurt your feelings because you agreed with the characters that have always been far right extremist terrorists doing something that far right extremist terrorists would do, and that somehow means that it used cap as a "mouthpiece to justify illegal immigration."
When did American conservatives become such pussies?
>>81280886
Example?
>>81282883
LBJ dude
>>81283451
It's called connections and networking.
>>81283232
Is it really? Then why do far-right reactionaries, who describe themselves as conservatives, tend to support stronger central governments?
Conservatism is about keeping government the same and adhering to established morals, not limiting power.
What you're talking about is libertarianism, or "classical liberalism". Authoritarian/libertarian is a different spectrum than conservative/liberal.
>>81283374
Really? In the United States at least, all Trump, Cruz, and several of the representatives (Paul Ryan especially) do is pander to their base in order to get more votes while barely delivering on any of their problems.
You are, point-blank, one of the dumbest people I've ever seen posting on here.
There is literally nothing wrong with Black Lives Matter or superheroes siding with a rightfully angry group of people being targeted unlawfully.
>>81283528
I already do that. It's only gotten me so far.
>>81283540
I will do more of this.
>>81283421
Those people don't want your values, they want to live on their filthy, misogynistic, ignorant shithole but finally THEIR filthy misogynistic, ignorant shithole. They have been too fucked up by British and Americans in the past to accept their help now. Their stupid death cult doesn't help.
Fun fact. When America took Iraq, the first order was to dissolve the army. The second order was to dissolve all the laws Saddam made, except the one who forbid unions. What a coincidence, isn't it?
>>81283433
The guy isn't a conservative he's just tired of being told what to think by shallow escapist media.
>>81283503
>Democrats LOVE illegal immigrants, because they can bend it into "undocumented Immigrants" which makes it sound softer, and allows them to lump them in with immigrants in general for "muh feels" points.
They're trying to give them the franchise. Go google it. I bet Captain America as written in his first issues or even 5 years ago would not support non-citizens voting. But today, who knows? He might be used to say
>Everyone who lives here deserves to be heard at the polls.
Even mainstream Republicans don't believe that the cheap labor is good; it's because they want those illegal immigrants to vote for them. It's just the value of voting economics.
>>81283583
cool, that means they can straight up harrass and break any law they want? can they kill people?
will you allow them to kill you? its for the cause after all, they need to take their anger out on someone, they dindu nuffin ya see.
>>81283418
>Some leftists did
The vast, marching in the streets type majority did. And Jack Kirby didn't create Captain America, that was Joe Simon. Google doesn't say what party he was registered to but odds don't look good at Democrat.
>>81283592
I honestly don't blame them. Some people from halfway around the world come into my country and tell me how to live? Nah, fuck them.
>>81283632
If you push people enough, be prepared for them to push back. Even better if Superman and Barman are on their side.
>>81281440
>character you like didn't make it in a fighting game
nigger what. if you're mad at some specific guy you probably shouldn't just throw that into your race relations post.plus black people love fightan games
>>81283671
well maybe they live like backwoods fucking retard savages
some people need to be told what to do, else they destroy everything, look at South Africa, how's that working out.
>>81283552
This is bait, right? Always have? You stupid faggots have barely been around for five years. When I started posting here, you were barely even around. /b/, /a/, and /v/ are and always will be 4chan's main boards, like it or not. /pol/ is a minority.
But you'd never know that from how badly you shit up every single board with your distinct combination of psuedo-intellectualism and tryhard edginess.
>>81283015
Nobody is making fucking excuses for ISIS, go easy on the /pol/ browsing.
Saying "We made some bad decisions which likely contributed to the problem" is not the same as saying "we should forgive ISIS and leave them alone"
>>81283600
Then don't read shallow escapist media. Problem solved.
>>81283673
and expect the rabble to be gunned down by the people tired of angry, crazed idiots destroying everything in sight.
the snap-back against the Rioting and looting pandemic will be extreme, they do not fair well to armed resistence, they are weak people looking to destroy shit and steal shit.
they can't fight a real fight.
>>81283673
>you
Funny, I don't remember pushing anyone, but I guess that doesn't matter.
>it's so beautiful man
>>81283058
Marston was a weird dude but he genuinely believed that WW represented the type of woman that should rule the world
People have always impotently screamed into the wind futilely trying to hold back change, the internet has just given people a big noisy platform to do it on and simultaneously removed their inhibitions and sense of shame
And we in particular have our very own special blocked toilet in the form of /pol/, which is slopping it's overflow onto everything around it
>>81283374
Yeah its not as if we've seen centrist Republicans zoom further right the moment the Presidency becomes a viable goal.
The ACA was modeled after a state program spearheaded by Mitt Romney for fucks sake
>>81283514
Just checking
>>81283771
He straight up advocated for willing slavery, which is a good idea honestly
>>81282531
No one here even knows what you're talking about, why don't you fuck off back to wherever Democrat /pol/ is.
>>81280607
Because the meaning of "leftist" has changed, quite simply. Back then guys like Supes and Cap were created as economically leftist, fighting for the little guy,
Nowadays there's no such thing as economicaslly leftist on the political spectrum in the west (because people are now convinced it's to their disadvantage), so leftist only means "socially leftist", which is a pretty different thing.
That and 4chan hasn't ever been known to be particularly leftist.
>>81283552
>>81283632
>they can straight up harrass and break any law they want? can they kill people?
No, but they shouldn't die for selling loose cigarettes on the street
>>81282628
This is also hack writing. Just because comics have always had wildly out of character moments espousing specific ideologies doesn't mean it's a good thing.
>>81283903
That wasn't /new/ that was /l/
>>81283885
Its called an "unpaid internship"
>>81282113
You should have precised "modern liberal" because classical liberalism is at the root of the "small governement to allow more individual freedom" thing, and neo-liberalism (or economical liberalism) is pretty small governement too in theory.
>>81283734
I like shallow escapist media. I don't like when it suddenly has something to tell me about the middle east.
Why is this always the argument? "If you don't like the shitty parts of this media you can just leave!!"
fucking please
>>81282127
>Ditko wanted his character to be a right-wing and push those filthy hippies on his place
>goes on to create Dr. Strange
Swing and a miss, Steve,
>>81283801
>People have always impotently screamed into the wind futilely trying to hold back change, the internet has just given people a big noisy platform to do it on and simultaneously removed their inhibitions and sense of shame
That's the best description of #NeverTrump I've heard. Props.
>>81283900
>That and 4chan hasn't ever been known to be particularly leftist.
Be honest now, when did you start browsing 4chan?
>>81281396
So you are saying your problem with racial diversity is not the diversity itself but the comments from the peanut gallery? Lol wow
>>81283950
No, /l/ was Trotsky.
>>81283801
>believing in whiggish history
man, am I ever glad progress is an actual force of nature and not a subjective justification after the fact
oh wait
>>81283755
You don't look smart pretending to be dumb anon.
>>81283928
sure okay, lets also fight Black on Black crime too, since its the thing that actually kills black people in any real numbers here.
oh wait, thats never on the agenda, because its uncomfortable to admit 87%ish of all murders of black people are by black people.
>>81284024
>Why is this always the argument? "If you don't like the shitty parts of this media you can just leave!!"
I'm guessing because some people like the parts you find shitty.
You know it's sort of like when SJWs complain that this or that isn't exactly to their liking. What's your response? "We should change what they don't like because it's obviously shitty" or "fuck off if you don't like it, some people do"?
>>81283734
Shallow escapist media that shoves an agenda down your throat ceases to be shallow escapist media you fucking moron, it's still shallow, but it loses all elements of escapist media when it directly brings up real world issues, especially in cheap thinly veiled formats.
>>81284071
Yes yes, there are racist white people, so all white people are to blame.
>>81284137
>muh poor throat
What a weary fucking expression.
>>81284158
Right wing ideology is far removed from the Republican party. Republicans are liberals viewed from the true Right
>>81284039
2010.
I'm not saying it was always as right-wing as it is, it was mostly apolitical to begin with from my understanding.
Anyway it hasn't been leftist in a while if it ever was, so that certainly participates in the current consensus that left-wing politics are evil.
>>81284039
When did you? 4chan has never been one kind of political thing, it's always had its die hard stormfronters while all the while having a huge LGBT population. Fuck I bet there were more traps on here in 2010ish than there are on tumblr now. Only now do people want to jam a political narrative on 4chan. That is what's new.
>>81284108
Hell, my brother's a cop, and his black female partner is fed up with dealing with black people all the damn time.
>>81284108
>oh wait, thats never on the agenda
over half of the Captain America & The Falcon run was about Black on Black crime
>>81284028
Strange is an aristocrat through and through
>>81284137
This. I seek to be entertained by my entertainment, not to be lectured. At least obscure it with some good allegory and symbolism.
>>81284108
Have you stopped and considered that the problem with police brutality isn't the amount of people affected, but rather the abuse of authority and lack of respect?
>>81284215
Interesting, but that doesn't solve anything I mentioned.
>>81284108
>lets also fight Black on Black crime too
I work in public health and there's tons of work going on to do just that. Its not an either/or situation
>>81282946
>ISIS is legit our fault though.
Funny. I didn't know our name was Recep Erdogan.
>>81280769
>Batman fought corrupt police
Batman also fought anarchists and the KGB. The crook who pushed him to become Batman was a poor guy.
>who don't actually read comics complain
Oh the irony.
Batman is actually a great example of the problem: even before Miller, he was a right-leaning hero when not apolitical.
Now he can't fight ISIS but he can be used as a propaganda piece for BLM.
In other words, the problem is that they all have the same political message and it is applied to all heroes, even those for which it wouldn't make sense.
