Batman v Superman sails past $500 million
http://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/box-office-batman-v-superman-steamrolls-past-500-million-globally-1201742090/
Anti-life equation confirmed
This guy called it
>>81263741
http://www.empireonline.com/movies/batman-v-superman-dawn-justice/batman-v-superman-zack-snyder-empire-podcast/
>>81270048
Is that a nonlethal gun?
>>81270509Grenade launcher that shot gasbombs using a gas derived from kryptonite, originally in his fight with Superman but here it's present as a means to weaken Doomsday.
>>81270048
>globally
Thanks Mohammed
>>81270048
T-This wasn't suppose to happen!
Remind me again why some analysts claimed they needed $800 000 000 to break even?
>>81270742
because of advertising
Buh its f-frontloaded, it'll d-drop a-any day n-now!!
>breaking records left and right
A-any week n-now!
>clear release schedule for a whole month, no one cares about the Jungle kook
ANY M-MONTH N-NOW!!
>>81270742
>$800 000 000
Please it needs $3.8 trillion and 7 academy awards to even come close to breaking even
Great, now we're Transformers tier for sure
>>81270824
Didn't they already make back most of the budget from product placement alone?
>>81270824
They spent $150 000 000 on advertising. They needed $400 000 000 to break even.
>>81270894
movie theaters get a cut of the gross
$400000 to the studios is more than $400000 in sales
>The two most iconic superheroes of DC fighting each other
>Not a guranteed box offices success
Only retards believed this would flop.
If Michael Bay can pull this shit off 4 times DC can do it too.
>>81270882
At least Bayformers (hell, even the rest of the Transformers franchise, if we're being honest here) doesn't pretend it isn't stupid as fuck. Snyder thinks he's a misunderstood genius who has been validated by money.
>>81270917
just pretend I added some more zeroes to both of those
>>81270048
Bad reviews they said
Nowhere near marvel they said
>>81270845
>breaking records left and right
kek
>>81270936
>Only retards believed this would flop.
Nobody thought it would flop. It was "will this be another ASM2"
>>81270991
The reviews were bad, that is fact.
>>81270845
>>81270991
>largest Friday-Sunday drop ever
>T-totally not frontloaded you guys!
>Blew its load in every market at the same time, horrible reviews, WoM isn't amazing
>It'll have staying power!
At some point you just have to accept it's got to under-perform compared to your expectations. No amount of meme posts and reaction images is going to remove its rotten score and falling revenues.
>>81271054
It might be. ASM2 was highly succesful, but still fell short of the studio's expectations. BvS is projected by Forbes to close off at $925M worldwide, and insiders said WB would consider anything less than $1 billion a disappointment.
>>81270048
BASED
>>81270882
Kek, THIS is transformers tier
>>81270742
250 mil budget
150 mil spent on ads
400 total spent on film
thus 800mil to break even
>>81270845
records no one cares about, like "best monday in march specific for wb"
>>81271147
God what a shitshow. Thank fuck the Russos are in charge now.
>>81271149
Literally /co/'s Sonytards
>>81270845
You understand what Front loaded means, right?
>>81271125
Exactly. It's all external "analysts" who threw out those arbitrary numbers. WB already considers what they've gotten to be a success.
>>81271156
"Break even" means it made no profit or loss.
>>81271191
Big tits
>DCCU IS FINISHED AFTER THIS
/co/ getting BTFO yet again
>>81271156
This, the records for this are obscure as fuck. Highest Monday opening in March? That means literally nothing. Highest opening, or highest Monday opening even would be something, but this is so specific that it just serves for WB to cushion the blow of the movie being objectively shit.
>>81271196
>Exactly. It's all external "analysts" who threw out those arbitrary numbers.
true
>WB already considers what they've gotten to be a success.
your dad work for them?
>>81270863
>INDISPUTABLE MATHEMATICAL FACT IS DISAGREEING WITH MY OPINIONS, BETTER MAKE MAKE FUN OF IT LEST i FIND MYSELF UNABLE TO AVOID FACING FACTS
WHY IS ANYONE HAPPY ABOUT THIS???
>>81271147
>1.jpg
>LOOK, TWO BLURRY PICTURES THAT LOOK KINDA SIMILAR
>>81271147
I don't see an MCU movie that has less score than 50 in both Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes.
Oh and, a little reminder :^)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films#Highest-grossing_franchises_and_film_series
>>81271247
>objectively shit
Your post is
>>81271196
>WB already considers what they've gotten to be a success.
Which is why they're already damage controlling for their future films and released a deleted scene to explain a plothole while the movie is still in theaters.
>>81271250
>your dad work for them?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/warner-bros-respond-to-batman-v-supermans-success-theres-a-a132701
>>81270048
Good
>REVIEWS
30%
>SALES
Barely covered costs
Next step is China box office.
Can't wait to hear how wrong I am after the chinese dosh starts rolling in.
>>81270917
Movie theaters make like $1 per ticket sold dude
>>81270048
Was there ever any doubt? It's Batman fighting Superman. That's been the fanboy wet dream for decades.
It doesn't matter that it's a Transformers-tier fuck up. The brand name nostalgia alone will carry this to the 1 billion mark and probably well past it.
DCEU is the new Bayformers.
>>81271281
No explanation, just like the BvS plot
>>81271345
MCU already has the casualbabbys covered
>>81271345
>DCEU is the new Bayformers.
But I wanted the movies to be great. I wanted capekino :(
>>81271247
The funniest one for me was "highest domestic first 4 days* for a superhero movie!"
*please ignore that nobody ever counts the first day after the weekend as part of the opening
>>81271328
Its already underperforming in China. Most analysts don't see it beating Ant-man.
>>81271328
Last I checked it's bombing in China
Marveldrones on suicide watch!! I'm glad that WB is going to keep Snyder for 3 or 4 more DCEU films. I hope the rest of the movies are as amazing as BvSt. Marvel fan
>>81271383
>>81271390
I remember all those posts promising that the movie would be an hit in China just because Batman wears a kinda-mecha suit for 5 minutes
>>81271179
The technical term is Sonypony anon.
>>81271303
>It doesn’t take itself seriously.
>>81270048
This shit better not hit a billion because I fucking despise this movie.
Everyone I talked to generally liked the movie aside the fact it was too long and bizzare Luthor/MadHatter/Joker hybrid.
Batfleck was universally praised.
>>81271175
H-haha based UNDERussos
>>81271378
>You will never have DC capekino with Snyder in charge.
>>81271435
It's going to barely make enough to keep Snyder at WB for the foreseeable future. Which, given how hilarious this past week was, is really for the best.
>>81271268
>1.jpg hunter
Kill yourself lmao
>>81271147
Even if this is true, at least Marvelfags typically don't have a problem admitting that AoU was bad.
>>81271509
AoU was a masterpiece compared to BvS (at this point you could just omit the "v").
>>81271156
Didn't the Turkish Airlines press release say that the budget for the film was $350 million? Or is that $250 million taking sponsorship deals into account?
>>81271501
You're literally the only one using this picture
>>81270048
It's actually getting better and better word to mouth thanks to:
1. Hipsters that actually want to believe the capekino meme
2. Casual audiences REALLY hate critics so the initial backlash slowly became a "fuck you i liked it"
3. A lot of people loved the action, and think that the movie being different and extremely dark are not bad things, and they don't care about how terrible the pace is.
Comicfans don't matter.
>>81271619
>comicfans
what the fuck are you talking about
BvS was a love letter to people who actually read comics. Only casuals watch shit like the MCU
>>81271575
I don't think we'll ever know. But given the backpedaling of WB exec's, the release of cut footage and ever weirder "records" this movie is making, it's fairly certain the movie tanked big time.
>>81271642
Yeah, because Snyder adapting this or that other panel from random comics makes the movie a perfect adaptation
>>81271380
It's especially funny when you take into account the fact that Deadpool actually beat BvS's box office on two of the first five days each film was in theaters and likely sold more tickets on four of them despite being on fewer screens.
>>81271610
>Tfw you can't tell the difference between a transformers flick and marvel flicks
Also
Is my filename triggering you? :^)
>>81271642
>BvS was a love letter to people who actually read comics.
I'll never get tired of this meme.
>>81271693
Id rather a director adapt direct panels to scenes rather than a director forcing in quips
>>81271642
I agree with you. What i'm saying is that we are not the people that will make this movie brake the 1 billion mark.
>>81271642
>BvS was a love letter to people who actually read comics
If by love letter, you mean giant fuck you, then yes.
>>81271156
That's not how this works kid. The movie already paid for itself before it was released.
>>81271695
>It's especially funny when you take into account the fact that Deadpool actually beat BvS's box office on two of the first five days each film was in theaters and likely sold more tickets on four of them despite being on fewer screens.
Why do people forget how long this movie is?
>>81271721
Transformers is well
>>81271619
I dunno man, casuals I know still thought the movie was barely coherent, Lex was a shit, Batman was the only decent character, and the sheer hype of the titular fight wasn't enough to carry a 2-hour movie.
I don't think there's a single person out there who thinks the "woah you mom's name is Martha too?!?!?" part was handled well.
>>81271734
This. Quips are the literal anti-thesis of capekino.
>>81271734
>It's only one extreme or the other
>Pictures are more important than the words in them
>>81271280
Literally a meaningless statistic. Harry Potter has 8 films and Marvel has 20. It just goes to show you that superheroes aren't really as global a phenomena as Harry Potter.
>>81271721
BvS has the same plot with Iron Man 2 and Spider-Man 3.
And MCU doesn't have a movie that has a score under 50 in both RT and Metacritic.
Not to mention it's still the highest grossing franchise of all time. :^)
>>81271797
well yeah, that's why we read comics
otherwise, we'd be better off reading books
>>81271509
I've given this some thought - Marvelfags tend to be much less protective of their movies and more willing to call out the truly shitty ones (Thors, AoU and IM sequels primarily). Meanwhile, DCfriends could watch Snyder take a shit for two hours and they'd still try to defend it.
The best explanation I found is that Marvel movies being more popular means the fanbase is largely casuals, and the movies themselves are super mainstream. They're the capefilm equivalent of American football - a widely-enjoyed pastime with varying degrees of actual quality involved. Because they're so ubiquitous and successful, nobody has a need to really defend them - if you don't like them, don't watch them. Millions of others will.
Meanwhile, DC movies (despite the big name recognition of Batman and Superman) are seen as the underdog, the challenger to Marvel, and their future is far less certain, so there's a degree of needed IDF to ensure their viability. Likewise, with Marvel being the more mainstream studio, DC is the "alternative" and less-numerous choice. People loudly saying they prefer DC to Marvel is like somebody saying they prefer reading comics to watching football.
And here is the crux of my argument - /co/'s DCfriends are so protective of the DC movies because the dynamics are the same as being a comic book fan in middle school. You feel like you're part of a like-minded group different from the majority, and with this automatically come the defensive reaction of feeling superior ("Snyder will usher in the age of capekino", "Marvelcucks on suicide watch", etc.) because they're part of a more selective (and thus, in their mind, more elite) in-group and thus they associate themselves with it more. Because they associate themselves with it more than Marvelfans do with Marvel movies, the stakes are higher and the need to succeed is much greater.
Hope this made sense.
>>81271888
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice
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>>81271642
>love letter
Of course. That's why they killed Jimmy, made Lex into every other Eisenberg character, and couldn't be assed to even give Doomsday a crystal beard.
>>81271888
Stop false flagging DC friends /tv/! Everyone knows only /tv/ does the kino meme!
>>81271642
>BvS was a love letter to people who actually read comics.
Pretty fucking dank
So let's say it makes 2 billion. I don't see how DCfags could call this movie's success as a win, because if it does well, then Snyder will be hired again.
>>81271888
how can it be Kino if it doesn't take itself very seriously? Word of the Creator says its just a fun afternoon at the movies
>>81271963
>implying that would be a bad thing
>>81271888
>Depends,you still a slut?
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>>81271855
>$500 million in 5 days
Can't argue with stats
>>81271947
Where have you been?/co/ is /tv/
>>81270845
It hasn't really broken any records. And its dying really, really, really fucking fast.
>sailing by
is a joke.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=superman2015.htm
It dropped nearly 50% from Sunday to Monday, and then another 30% today. Memes aside, it might make a slight profit, but its not going to hit the kind of money they put into for marketing. They wanted Avengers money, and they're going to be lucky to hit 900mil.
>>81271989
You want Snyder back?
>>81271988
>the executive who just pays for the movie to be made is the creator
Honest question
Was there any way, any score that BvS could have received that wouldn't result in the massive shitposting that is happening today.
>>81271991
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/?view=Brand&sort=sumgross&order=DESC
>Say that again
>>81271991
>$500 million in 5 days
So less than TDK and the Avengers
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/grossbydays.htm?days=5&sort=gross&order=DESC&p=.htm
>>81271888
I can't understand what Hawkeye says in that scene. What is he saying?
I'm shocked how much I loved this movie. I only went out of a sense of obligation to my love for the source material, but I genuinely enjoyed the film and am legitimately upset at how much people hate it. I wholeheartedly understand the complaints and even agree with some of them, but I'm still surprised at how overwhelming the negativity has been.
The main problems come from a weak script (David S. Goyer was a blight on the Nolan films and he continues that tradition here) and the editing. The director's cut will probably address the latter, but we have the judge the film based on what we're given now. Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned that it's basically two films (Batman V Superman and Dawn of Justice) shoved together, which is an apt description.
But visually, BvS was some of Snyder's best work, and that's always been his main strength. He took the source material and infused it with Baroque art in a very unique way. I hope film students study the cinematography in this for years. God, those shots of Bruce Wayne's home on the lake were absolutely stunning.
If anything, the film almost trusts its audience a bit too much to know the source material. The Nolan films were very popular because they were extremely self contained. You didn't have to know jack shit about Batman to enjoy them. This one had to set up for future films, but didn't save those moments for credits stingers like a Marvel film would – it integrated them right into the plot without explaining much. As someone who understand the references, I really loved it, but it would be off-putting for many.
I really like the direction they're going, and I hope the poor critical reception doesn't have them change their game plan too much. DC comics – especially those with the Trinity – are often very operatic, telling very grand myths that don't really resemble our reality very much. BvS captured that aspect perfectly.
>>81272113
>are we still friends
>depends on how hard you hit me
>>81272113
[quip] Depends on how hard you hit me [/quip]
>>81272072
anything above 60, probably
I don't think it's just the scores though. I know people who don't give a shit about critics and don't read reviews who saw it on opening weekend, expecting nothing more than two superheros punching each other, who still walked away from it citing a lot of the same flaws you see posted around here. At a certain point you have to wonder if maybe, just maybe, the things critics hated about the movie might be things other people would hate about the movie too.
>>81272201
If BvS beat any MCU movie, shitposters would use that too
>>81272090
Makes less than a standalone Batman movie?
Superman hurts sales?
>>81272127
Animated lightning, high contrast and piss filters don't equal great cinematography unless you only watch superhero movies.
>>81270845
Why are you happy about this? Do you like eating shit?
>>81272127
Fair enough. What is your opinion on the following criticisms?
>Overly dark and miserable
>Batman killing people
>Not a great plot, predictable
>Poor portrayal of characters
>too drawn out
>>81272243
Shit movies hurt sales
But i'm afraid that might be what WB will get out of this, and with the fact that Superman "died" they can effectively ignore the character and turn the whole DCEU (or at least the JL movies) into a big pile of Batwankery for a good while
>>81272284
Batman killing people would be a poor portrayal of character
>b-but he did it before!
still doesn't make it good
>it's selling well
>that means it's good
ok
>>81272087
>Audience score is higher than aou and tfa
HAHAH
>>81272342
But it's not selling well.
>>81272342
>I said it would flop
>It clearly isn't flopping
>I'm still right so there
>>81272362
ivaldson
Mar 29, 2016
Score - 10
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>>81272284
>>81272321
This. Both Superman and Batman have on occasion killed people. But that's not an excuse - those stories were written with decades of continuity having established that they were emphatically DO NOT support killing. These were special circumstances and there was emotional aftermath (IIRC Superman actually left Earth for a while in the 90s after killing Zod).
To INTRODUCE both characters as being somewhat-okay with killing is fundamentally misrepresenting them. It would be akin to explaining to someone "New York is a place where buildings explode all the time, we're used to it" because 9/11 happened.
http://deadline.com/2016/03/universal-pictures-disney-most-profitable-movies-2015-star-wars-minions-jurassic-world-data-1201727739/
Regarding how much BvS needs to make to turn a profit let's look at last year's highest grossing movies.
>>81272362
>Literally only abou 5 points higher
>mostly out of pre established hype
>lol MARVEL AND DISNEY BTFO!!!!!!!! XD XD XD
IMDB ratings dont lie, BvS is way better than any MCU flick out there
>>81272365
Half a billion in less that a week is selling well.
Kill yourself fagoot
>>81272362
>But m-muh audience score
Whatever you say, kiddo
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/batman_v_superman_dawn_of_justice/?search=Batm
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/avengers_age_of_ultron/?search=AgE%20of%20ultro
>>81272483
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>>81272424
http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-killing-zack-snyder/
"You see, guns don't kill people. And people don't kill people. Sometimes people use guns to shoot a lot of bullets at other people, and if said people just so happen to be associated with blood vessels and major organs that catastrophically fail because of those bullets, well, I don't really see how that's Batman's problem. Tune in to Justice League part 1 in 2017 everyone!" -Zack Snyder
>>81272515
The butthurt is real.
Do people who like it at least admit there's Editting issues and that Lex is shit?
>>81272593
>Lex is shit
there's that meme again
>>81272552
I was referring to metacritic you fucking retard
>>81272342
It's actually selling okay. The records it's breaking are relating to how fast it's making money in it's first weekend and early week. But if you look at how many countries it released in on that day, how DC compacted the schedule, it becomes less impressive.
>>81272321
The thing is that he never did it so actively
>Keaton did it when the situation required it (throwing a guy down the tower, throwing back a bomb at someone) or when he was emtionally invested (you killed my parents, i'll avenge them and kill you)
>Bale Batman again killed when the situation required it (making the ninja place explode, not-saving Ras to get rid of a insidious threat like him) and at the end of TDK the idea of killing someone fucked him up enough to make him quit
>Affleck Batman hunts down henchmen and shoots at them to steal an item that he needs to kill fucking Superman like a pig
Affleck just comes off as more malicious than the others
>That was the point! Muh obscure character development! Just like DKR!
Yeah yeah, so nice to not-see how this beloved character became so emotionally detatched with reality, and when did DKR Bats start randomly killing thugs and Superman?
>>81272593
Lex's monologue with Supes on Lexcorp tower was the best part of the movie though.
>>81272593
Pretty much yeah
>>81272602
>>81272629
So you admit there's Editting issues at least?
>>81272593
Editing issues, yes, it has a lot. But you have to realize it's implicitly a neo-christian parable with Lex set up as every irritating nu-atheist you've ever seen posting memes on facebook. He wasn't bad.
I am 100% convinced that BvS defenders are like at least 7 out of 10 marvel fans who are falseflagging
I refuse to believe people who read DC comics would accept this portrayal of Superman and Lex
>>81270048
Reminder that BvS is an abject failure unless it grosses $1 Trillion.
>>81272673
So because they have different opinions than you they must be wrong?
>>81270683
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>>81272667
Yeah I think the extended cut will be better in that regard. All Snyder's movies have better extended cuts.
>>81272673
Cavill is fine as Superman, its just Snyders fault for making him so damn depressing. Lex is just awful
>>81272673
>I refuse to believe people who read DC comics would accept this portrayal of Superman and Lex
>people who read DC comics
Where does anyone get the idea that fans of Snyder films read any comics at all?
>>81272602
>there's that meme again
Luthor's plot-line is rather convoluted, and his character motivation isn't well established.
Even if you can fill in the gaps, most people don't have that body of knowledge and just interpret Lex as a nut and a spaz.
>>81271693
This above critic in this pic provided the most "comic booky" summary I've heard from an adaptation since reading the synopsis for the Flash's Grodd episode; my response, I'm sure, was supposed to be "this is bad," and yet my first thought reading it, prior to seeing the film, was an instantaneous, "this sounds fucking awesome." I think this is a major disconnect between comicfans and casuals. They just can't take shit like this at face value; you lose many of them just at the superpowers and costumes, and there need to be quips and a level of self awareness to point out how ridiculous it is to them. Comic fans will read a story about a telepathic Gorilla with a genius IQ, to say nothing of their tendency to eat up genuinely baffling material like Final Crisis, and manage to take him completely seriously as a threat and source of drama.
>>81272284
I should clarify: I'm upset at how OVERWHELMING the negative critical response has been. The complaints are valid, but it feels like critics are ignoring all of the movie's strengths just because this goes a very different direction than the Marvel films. It wasn't anywhere near as dour as I expected going in, and I actually found it to be incredibly fun.
And I disagree that the film FAILS on a technical level. It has weaknesses, as mentioned, but the strengths are still very strong. That shot of Superman standing in the flaming wreckage of the Capitol has been etched into my brain, and it lasted only a few seconds at best. The performances were all solid, even Cavill's, whose take on the character is still my favorite put to film even though they really need to expand on it. I could go on and on about the art direction and cinematography, which were much more cinematic and painterly than anything the MCU has offered us so far.
All that said, I'm really just looking for reasons to justify my fanboyism for the source material and finally getting to see the DC universe on the big screen. I had a huge smile on my face for all of the Easter eggs, and it really felt like the movie was pandering to me specifically in a lot of ways. So honestly, I would take my praise with a grain of salt.
>>81272671
>every irritating nu-atheist you've ever seen posting memes on facebook.
>wasn't bad.
>>81272678
If BvS reaches $1 billion Affleck will come to your house and blow you, Cavill will teach you how to fly, Gadot will share the greatest secrets of Judea with you and Snyder will make anime real.
>>81271780
Yeah i'm sure those two pre-screenings paid for the movie you dumbshit
>>81272743
then why was the Nolan trilogy highly rated?
watch as this gets no replies
>>81272618
>I-It doesn't count
Damage control ahaha
>>81271280
>caring about money that you will never see in your life
please take a gun
Id rather watch BvS again than sit through The Dark Knight Rises, Superman Returns, The Iron Man sequels, or the Thor movies again.
>>81272723
>its just Snyders fault for making him so damn depressing.
Yeah, we had no contrast. No Night vs Day. No positive vs negative personalities clashing. They're both depressed assholes. Superman being a frowning bore is my biggest problem with the movie.
>>81271842
>Marvel has 20
11*
>>81271642
>BvS was a love letter to people who actually read comics
Comic fans hate The Death of Superman yet they chose to adapt it in the second fucking film.
>>81272673
I will always defend bvs
>>81272827
>TDKR is bad
THERE'S THAT MEME AGAIN
>>81272869
Look how sad he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXfv25xJUw
>>81272827
You have massively shit taste then
I think the "$800 mil" to break even thing is because if the advertising budget and film budget is $400 mil, and about half the box office money goes to the theaters themselves, (look it up), then the studio gets $400 mil back if the movie makes $800 mil. When you look at it that way, as an investment, this one hasn't fully paid off yet, and looks far less impressive next to say, Deadpool.
>>81272882
Because it is you asshat. Its the weakest out of the triliogy and it barely qualifies as a batman movie. And the biggest meme is fucking Bane
I downloaded Injustice today on my PS and it's actually super fun, despite characters being assholes and beating each other up.
And it made me actually want to read more DC comics.
Unlike fucking BvS.
I am like 3 years late but it's a really fun game.
Why is DC games division so much better at storytelling than DC movie division? (I am not even counting Marvel games division, their games are all fucking terrible)
>>81272733
>his character motivation isn't well established.
He lays out the whole thing in that tower monologue.
>>81272827
Rises has issues but it's not nearly as bad as the memes make it out to be. Come on, man. It's not not even close to being Thor-tier.
>>81272882
>MEME
>>81271156
They already made 200 million from promotional partners. So it doesnt.
>>81272929
TDKR is infinitely better than everything you just said
I'm really surprised people are harping on how "muh batman/superman doesn't do this" when superheros are some of the most poorly characterized people in fiction around. 50 years of writers doing whatever they want and changing their personalities/history in order to fit whatever they feel like writing or what their higher ups tell them to write. Batman and Superman is whatever the people in charge of the comics decide.
And of course this isn't YOUR Batman or Superman. The Dark Knight Rises was not the popular batman at the time, neither was the Red Sun Superman or any of the other elseworlds. Shit, even All-Star Superman is different from the "real" character (whose entire universe has been reset several times and has changed characters routinely). Bringing up how they killed people before but then stopped illustrates this point exactly: THEY ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. They serve the story, not the other way around. That's why cape comics are stuck telling the same stories over and over again when they could be using these characters to actually do anything interesting.
But, that doesn't matter to people. If it's not the Batman or Superman they grew up with, then it's sacrilege to them. You can't tell a story about the dangers of unchecked power and what it means to be a hero in the real world with characters whose fans who never allow them to grow.
>>81272977
>it's not nearly as bad as the memes make it out to be
honestly, the problem is that the memes mostly focus on the plane scene, when nearly every scene in the movie is terrible. It's not as bad as the memes would suggest; it's actually worse.
Look Im not going to say BvS is good nor Thor but are we seriously defending TDKR here? The fuck?
>>81273057
got u covered my man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFxQ-EdFl_M
>>81273008
>You can't tell a story about the dangers of unchecked power and what it means to be a hero in the real world with characters whose fans who never allow them to grow.
Perhaps the childish power fantasies should have remained childish power fantasies, not hollowed out and puppeteered for clumsy parables about Jesus.
>>81273131
>social relevance in society
>>81273057
TDKR was already better than Man of Steel, so...
>>81273057
TDKR is better than BvS.
We can agree on that.
>>81272926
http://deadline.com/2016/03/avengers-age-of-ultron-profit-2015-box-office-marvel-universe-1201725562/
You're right. Studios get back a little less than half of gross from theaters.
>>81271110
>>81273008
>characters can be whatever the fuck you want them to be because different iterations existed in the past
lmao jesus christ
>>81273008
>superheros are some of the most poorly characterized people in fiction around.
Which is even worse when amidst all the chaos, the most common three rules for writing Batman are:
>no guns
>no killing
>no failing plans he prepares for
He outright prepares for killing Superman with a spear. I could've only been worse if he had made a spear gun.
>>81272739
I kinda get what you mean, but i don't think the argument stands.
So yeah, to make an easy example, the Flash time-travels to warn Batman from a dangerous future, k, got it, how does it fit the story? It might be comic accurate because something similar happened this one time, but could it be that it's done badly?
And don't always assume critics/casuals are just afraid about the absurd or of the "AWESOME", many point out that the Batman v Superman fight was one of the best things of the movie, the problem is the shitshow you have to go through to get there, or the flimsical reasons they have to fight in the first place
>>81271642
All the DC hardcore fans I know (including me) were bummed out as fuck by this movie. It really hurts to see your favorite heroes and an overall strong cast in a movie this poorly written and paced. Massive wasted potential.
>>81270048
>1.jpg
>>81273131
Look, it's fair to not like that about Superman, but that's been around loooooooooong before Snyder. Even the Donner movies had some.
In fact, superhero movies are a magnet for religious parallel. Remember the train scene from Spider-man 2? Or When Bucky pulled Cap from the lake? People just harp on it with Superman because he is seen as being so archetypal of heroes and is pretty much stuck on God Mode as is.
Also, remember is All-Star when he literally created our universe? Being a God allegory is as much a part of him as heat vision is, for better or worse.
>>81273257
this desufampai
>>81270048
Batman V Superman should be sailing past to 800 Million, you know for a Batman AND Superman film this is still underperforming pretty bad,
>>81270845
yeah, it broke the record for fastest drop from Sunday from Friday anon
>>81273257
When fucking kevin smith of all people is saying it wasn't a good movie, you know it was a pile of shit. The guy loves everything.
>>81273180
Hot damn.
>>81273338
>The guy loves everything.
he didn't like my spider idea ;_;
>>81273338
I'm still thinking of Affleck on Fallon and how even he couldn't muster a nice thing to say about it, and instead talked about how his theatre seat vibrated or something. Sad.
Affleck deserves the praise he got, though. Especially since so many of his lines were fuckterrible and he was still kinda watchable somehow.
>>81273257
It's not just that we got a bad movie. If we get a bad Batman movie or a bad Superman movie we just have to wait several years for another one and hope it's good. We'll get several more Batman and Superman movies, they wont stop coming out. But what about a bad Batman vs Superman movie? This is a one-of-a-kind theatrical release, they probably wont make another Batman vs Superman movie for theaters in our lifetime. So, we got fucked hard by this.
>>81273504
>they probably wont make another Batman vs Superman movie for theaters in our lifetime
>>81273224
> no guns
Comics are super inconsistent about this. Have we all forgotten when he shot Darkseid? Or when he used a gun several time in DKR? Or his first ever appearance? He doesn't shoot people ala the Punisher, but he has used guns.
> no killing
Killing people when he was first introduced has been brought up, but he's also killed people in Elseworlds, every single Batman movie, people he just doesn't save when he can, he outright murders some mooks back in the 80's, shooting them into the vacuum of space, aliens, you name it.
> no failing plans he prepares for
Oh come on. That's just nonsense. That's like saying that whenever Batman enters a room, all the pretty ladies need to say how much they want to sex him.
>>81273504
At least Ben Affleck can save Batman with solo films but i feel Superman's future is uncertain at this point
>>81273731
>Have we all forgotten when he shot Darkseid?
are you just acting like this wasn't super special? Three entire events lead up to this single scene happening.
>>81273222
... That's exactly my point, especially in a setting that allows multiple versions of said characters. What do you think the Multiverse is? Parallel universes where everyone and everything is the same?
>>81258785
>Has broken the record for highest grossing movie named Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice
Marvel can't even touch
>>81273804
so Batman is ok if he was an asian woman who has super speed and uses rocket launchers as her main weapon?
>>81273796
Nope, he used a gun, and he used them a couple times in the 30's and some elseworlds, so clearly that means he should always use guns.
Id like to remind everyone that Batman can and will use rifle based weaponry for the sake of accuracy, regardless of their projectile. Because even Batman is smart enough to know not everything can be hooked to a batarang
It will make 1.2 Billion dollars. More than Minions, less than Frozen.
>>81273504
Yeah. I feel like this is also why some of the criticism has been so harsh. Batman vs Superman is something literally everyone wants to see, something fans have been waiting for for decades, and then you get this badly written, clunky hot mess. It's just. They had one job.
And I love Batfleck and I'm worried he won't be able to escape this shitpile.
>>81270048
This movie is gonna be so interesting to look at in a year or so. You take a really divisive movie that's somewhere in the middle and sic the critics on it. They all fall to the negative side of things, so the people who really wanted to see the movie succeed roar back with the exact opposite fervor. They give the movie rave reviews and, since they were betrayed by the critics, they start raging back at the critics. It's like none of the weaknesses of the movie are actually being debated here, just the people delivering them and if they have an agenda/have read a comic/like a Marvel movie. Like everyone will admit that the movie has a poor script, bad editing, and weak pacing, but whether or not that stops you from enjoying the movie seems to be the deciding factor.
>>81273796
It wasn't.
Oh, and let's not forget Superman killed Darkseid there.
>>81273877
>and then you get this badly written, clunky hot mess. It's just. They had one job.
But the one bit that wasn't clunky was act 2, containing batman vs superman. We actually saw them fight it out. We saw an ideological winner (superman) and a physical winner (batman).
>>81273860
Someone say 930 millions.
>>81273257
>We'll never get a Superman as gracious and optimistic as All Star Superman.
>>81273987
I really hope we get a bit of a superman 'rebirth'.
This superman has had to slug threw 2 movies of mud. I hope he shrugs that off now.
>>81273731
>shot Darkseid
>trying to reference Morrison in defense of a murdering Batman
fucking blasphemy
>>81272673
>I refuse to believe people have a different opinion than me and it makes me angry that people like something i don't like
mega faggot
>>81274073
Darkseid is coming. Things will only get darker. Superman will keep on frowning.
>>81273828
I don't exactly agree with him, I just want to point out how stupid that hyperbole is.
>>81274243
how? We have an elseworld Batman that is a woman. We have an elseworld Batman that uses rocket launchers. We also have an elseworld Batman that has super speed.
>>81273176
>>81273162
fuck no. that's some shit taste
BVS is FAR better that rises
>>81273908
>This movie is gonna be so interesting to look at in a year or so. You take a really divisive movie that's somewhere in the middle and sic the critics on it. They all fall to the negative side of things, so the people who really wanted to see the movie succeed roar back with the exact opposite fervor. They give the movie rave reviews and, since they were betrayed by the critics, they start raging back at the critics. It's like none of the weaknesses of the movie are actually being debated here, just the people delivering them and if they have an agenda/have read a comic/like a Marvel movie. Like everyone will admit that the movie has a poor script, bad editing, and weak pacing, but whether or not that stops you from enjoying the movie seems to be the deciding factor
It's gonna be years of trolling like Man of Steel.
People have written manifestos defending that film.
You can find 45 minute video on youtube playing it up as the greatest film of all time.
BvS is gonna have the same defenders.
>>81271378
>>81271475
>>81271888
Fuck off /tv/
>>81274271
>how?
Is not that you're wrong, is the fact that you used an hyperbole for an argument against him.
This post >>81273828 has nothing to do with the point that guy is trying to make, is just trying to nullify it without an argument.
>>81273987
>>81274073
I really hope the critical disaster of BvS (and, realistically, commercial under-performance) will make DC rethink their "tone". A movie doesn't have to be funny and quippy like the MCU to be inspiring and optimistic - qualities Superman absolutely needs to have.
Snyder is right that these are almost mythic characters, and he shows them visually as such, but why does he insist on giving them exaggerated human flaws?
Superman is the ideal hero. We've had decades of deconstructions, parodies and anti-heroes, to the point where I'm sure a genuinely heroic, idealistic, larger-than-life Superman would do really well.
Rename Man of Steel 2 into Man of Tomorrow. Go full ASS-level inspiring. Differentiate yourself from the MCU not by being needlessly grim, because that approach is clearly not working, but by playing to the strengths of the DCU - that its heroes are heroic, that they're beloved and legendary and stand for the best of us. They're metaphors and archetypes and modern deities, not quipmachines who spend more time fighting each other than actual villains.
The MCU focuses on telling safe stories with very human and fallible protagonists. Go the other way. Give us a modern epic of gods and monsters, of the struggle of good against evil and the fight for humanity's future. You've already established that this Superman is not as attuned to his human side - go all the way with emphasizing the effect and importance of his heroic side.
"You'll believe a man can fly," said the tagline for Reeve's Superman in the 1970s. I think we need to go back to that.
>>81272072
No. The DCEU was doomed to shitposting once Snyder got involved. Literally any other guy would have improved things.
>>81272424
But it didn't. This Superman is not okay with killing. Even the thought that he was responsible for the senate bombing shook him to his core. And its established that batmans killing is a recent thing and ultimately a mistkse
>>81274290
>BVS is FAR better that rises
Not even close. Rises, at last, is a movie in its own right. BVS is more like a long trailer for something that will come.
>>81272803
Looks like you forgot to link to OP as well, anon.
>>81271268
>There's already porn of this guy sucking Clark
>>81274292
Thing is, there is a good movie with good themes hidden in BvS. People who go looking for a good movie in there will find it and construct defences for the film from that.
I just want that shot of WW
>>81273924
No, the entire movie was clunky. In the end, they still fought over a misunderstanding. Kidnapping Ma Kent was super contrieved in the first place (Superman can literally hear Lois breathe from everywhere in the world, but doesn't notice when his mother gets kidnapped and roughed up), and then when Superman goes to talk to Batman, they end up fighting anyway because Batman's already made up his mind. (And really, because it's the title of the movie.) And then Batman does a total 180 once the Martha line drops. I give you that they tried to motivate all of this, but it was still really poorly done. I'm sorry. I'm a DCfag, I don't want to hate this movie, but this was not well-executed in any way.
>>81274652
>there is a good movie with good themes hidden in BvS
Themes and intentions are good in BVS.
it's just that the film does everything in a very bad way
>>81274181
Is this who Lex was dingdingdinging about?
>>81274744
I agree with this.
>>81274705
>but this was not well-executed in any way.
That's my point. It's not well execured. But the themes, messages and progression buried under terrible story telling and pacing is good. People will dig to find it and use it to defend the film.
>>81274797
Yep. Here's a deleted scene with Lex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-MUzvASr8s
>>81274797
Yes, in both timelines the death of superman marked the invasion of Darkseid. Presumably because earth has lost it's kryptonian defender.
Lex is aware of darkseid because he asks Zod's ship to teach him about the other known worlds, which presumably includes Apokolips.
"The battle is fought, now the god is dead, now he comes". That is Lex quote to bats at the end.
>>81274907
Can I get a TLDR? I'm at work.
>>81274652
>People who go looking for a good movie in there will find it and construct defences for the film from that.
Or see connections where there weren't any intended, and rationalize a depth that isn't there. Some people do the same thing in real life. The world just them crazy and doesn't listen to them though.
>>81274968
>Or see connections where there weren't any intended
See, I think there were plenty and they were intended, just not shown well enough to be picked up on.
So what else will he contribute to the Snyderverse?
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-jimmy-olsen
>Early on in production, Snyder wanted to cast a famous face in the part so he could pull a Psycho – destabilizing the audience by unexpectedly killing off someone they thought would be a main character.
>The actor he wanted ended up becoming Lex Luthor instead.
>“I thought, if it were Jesse Eisenberg and he got out and he goes, ‘I’m Jimmy Olsen,’ you’d be like, oh my God, we’re gonna have Jimmy Olsen in the whole movie, right?’” Snyder says. “And then if he got shot, you’d just be like, ‘What!? You can’t do that.’”
Will Dick be the dead Robin?
>>81270048
>>81271147
>>81271721
>>81271991
>>81272362
>>81272869
>1.jpg
JUST
>>81275196
Somebody should remind Snyder that he already had sex-changed Jimmy in Man of Steel.
>>81273915
You know I see this panel being posted a lot but is he actually shooting actual people in this shot and if he is, is he actually killing them?
>>81274955
A shot opens on a lone tactical officer descending into the dark on a rope. As he slides down, the camera pans to reveal four more officers already at the bottom, guns at the ready. The camera cuts to a midcloseup of one of the officers, his face heavily shadowed. He makes a gesture with his left hand, signaling his intent to his fellow officers before each of them begin shuffling forward. We then cut to there feet as they ascend a ramp. The camera tracks there movement up until the last man passes by, facing toward the camera (obviously to signify police officers having to look the other way on brutality) as the path ahead of them curves. Finally, they've arrived. They refrain from moving forward anymore, but the reason is left just out of view of the camera. The sounds of growling start to get louder as the view shifts down revealing large floating orbs of silver. Then, at the bottom we see Lex standing in a pool of granny's peach tea, looking at the large behemoth of an alien creature staggering before him. The chorus sings a haunting Moran of a soundtrack. The creature lifts up two cubes with his hands, and a third cube is so compelled and brought to years by the way it sees its cube friends ascend that it too begins to ascend in joy. The creature then screams out to us as it begins fading away turning into pencil shavings, starting at the hands and feet and working it's way inward until nothing is left. We then see Lex from the front, his eyes closed, a single drop of snot shining in the light, looking severely confused as the officers, though unseen at first and then obscured by a heavenly white light point there laser sights at his back. Lex then slowly turns around (completely out of character, when has he ever turned around?) and looks at his soon to be captors with a face expressing his fear of what is to come.
>>81271328
>Can't wait to hear how wrong I am after the chinese dosh starts rolling in.
Chinese dosh has been rolling in since day one. Remember simultaneous domestic and international release. And its under-performing there.
>>81271110
Biggest monday and tuesday also in the month of March gross.
>>81274705
My issue with the fight wasn't Batman having made up his mind, it was the fact that Supes never really even tried to talk. Like he tries to say something and gets interrupted by the traps and machine guns and then makes a point by shoving Bats. But then rather then explain he apparently loses his tempter and takes Bats on a ride through a skyscraper before dilly-dallying around the point with vague threats like "Stay down. If I wanted you dead I could have killed you by now" until Batman hits him with the gas.
Like he understand why Batman is pissed and knows they're being set up. If he wanted to talk why the fuck wouldn't he just get to the point?
>Disneys too ascared to release Silver War in March because they know it's not gonna win
>>81276278
>Trying to rewrite history
They were going to both come out in May originally dude
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Batman-v-Superman-Moving-Away-From-Captain-America-3-Release-Date-66649.html
In fact, Captain America 3 was coming out in May before BvS was even announced
>>81270742
If I had to guess, it would be opportunity cost.
These films take several years to make, the movie not only has to make more than what it costs, but it has to make more than what the investors would have earned if they had invested their money elsewhere.
>>81276188
Yeah, I know what you mean. Ultimately, the fight needed to happen because it was in the movie's title, so Superman made one attempt at talking to Batman (calling him "Bruce!" hilariously), and then when Batman didn't listen, fuck it, let's collapse a few walls.
>>81270845
>all that butthurt from 1 post
ANY MILLENIA NOW!!
>>81271333
No they don't. It varies from movie to movie but they usually get around half the money.
>>81270845
I have coworkers who are going for a 3rd viewing, my sister is going with her friends to see it, and a friend of my mother's is going with her church buddies and their kids to see it.
This movie is still going to be making money.
http://oneperfectshotdb.com/2016/03/nobody-cares-that-you-hate-batman-v-superman/
Anyone have the wonder woman crotch shot?
>>81276278
Actually it was BvS the one that moved earlier.
And seeing what has happened, for good reason.
>>81276382
>>81277563
I wonder what would've happened if they both were out in May.
>>81277806
Sales canibalization.
Both flick's box office would have suffered, one of them was going to move.
>>81272869
Anyone got that pic where Mos is in the garbage while /co/ hugs it?
