DC/Warners, THIS is the Superman fans want. The straight up force for good wrapped in red and blue. Truth, Justice and the American Way. This. Not your Neu52 edgy bullshit, not your grimdark Man of Murder. This.
You got it right decades ago with the first two Reeve films. Why is it so hard to understand now?
Also, Superman thread.
But that Superman is boring Mary Sue.
No one cares what "Superman fans" want. Most of them will see a Superman movie no matter how bad it is. Just so they can complain about how unfaithful the character was to his comic incarnatino on 4chan.
>>81228011
Was THIS boring Mary Sue? I would pay big money for an entire film of this. If I were running Warners right now I'd deep six Hack Snyder and greenlight production on an All-Star Superman movie.
>>81228055
>Most of them will see a Superman movie no matter how bad it is
That right there is part of the problem.
>>81228011
>Mary Sue
You don't know what that word means, faggot.
Go back to the-site-we-can't-mention and take your "le epic maymays XD" with you.
>>81228000
>what on earth are you doing here
>they're in space
HAHAHAH
>>81228000
Superman shouldn't act like silver age Superman until he joins the JL. We still have rookie Supes in the movies.
>>81228000
>You got it right decades ago with the first two Reeve films. Why is it so hard to understand now?
Because 3 more tried it and 1 was meh and the other 2 are some of the worst movies ever made.
>>81228000
>THIS is the Superman fans want
A guy who doesn't notice a criminal when he is in front of him?
>>81228206
>A guy who doesn't notice a criminal when he is in front of him?
Because that criminal, is a main character.
>>81228088
>I want a charater who's all powerful and perfect in everyway
Mary Sue is overused, and is often just thrown out whenever a protagonist is particularly competent in a domain, but if there's one character who actually deserves to be labeled as such, it's this particular incarnation of Superman.
>superman shouldn't have killed zod because he can always finds a way
Most legit Mary Sues aren't that perfect and over the top.
OP, if that's what you want to ingest there are innumerable self-insert fanfics, already out there, that will appeal to you.
>>81228167
You can have a rookie Supes and still have him be fun and inspiring.
Worshiping and believing in Superman was a mistake.
It will always be a mistake to place our faith in any character outside of the public domain. Superman doesn't belong to us, he doesn't act in our best interests. He will always serve the whims of his corporate masters at Warner Bros.
Superman is as untrustworthy as Ronald McDonald.
>>81228274
And does he have mind powers that make Supes believe he's an innocent citizen?
>>81228000
I've always found interesting that Ennis hates capes but has always admired Superman.My favourite characters are Punisher and Superman, I understand him
>>81228350
As long as he doesn't have a shield, I'm OK with him.
>>81228277
>he thinks Mary Sue is just like that
hint, sometimes the mary sue is a character who actually isn't naturally powerful, but for some odd reason gets his way due to plot armor or bullshit
like a certain bat
I like cheesy, truth justice and the american wat Supes... in the comics. Because that shit isnt going to hold my interest for 2+ hours. Im down for grimdark Supes
>>81228414
This.
>>81228206
>fallible, not perfect, makes human mistakes
That is exactly what many people claim they want Superman to be.
>>81228315
>taunting his enemies
>behaving like a cut-rate spider batman
>fun
>inspiring
Fuck off Morrison
>>81228460
And yet they saw that Superman on the screen and they hated it.
>>81228460
>That is exactly what many people claim they want Superman to be.
Making human mistakes doesn't mean acting like a bad person. Plenty of people make mistakes without being a dick.
>>81228086
Holy fuck I hate All-Star fags so goddamn much.
All-Star Superman is a TRIBUTE to Silver Age Superman. He's that Superman at the very end of his career. It doesn't represent what Superman actually is.
>>81228749
Nothing not a single thing Clark did in Mos makes him a bad person even the truck.
>>81228503
You've never read a golden age comic in your life.
>>81228838
>Golden Age comics
>the ones fantards use to justify Batman murdering and Superman being a cunt
Yeah no, fuck off
My problem with modern movie Superman is you have a Superman who does not want to be Superman. Even Superman Returns you had a guy who was emo Supes
I mean does Superman even smile in the movies?
I dunno, it might be old and corny but still I like my Superman who saves a cat from a tree before going to battle Lex Luthor. Who is a positive influence and looking forward at the possibilities of earth and being a really nice guy while doing it. Unless you mess with his friends or innocents then you get pissed off supes. A well meaning farmboy who just happens to have the knowledge of another world and super powers beyond mortal men
>>81229083
>the only comics that matter are the ones I like
Characters are not static.
>>81228315
>you have an ulcer! Oh you fragile earthlings and your cute diseases! Too bad you'll never know what it feels like to be a perpetually young demigod eh?
>>81228055
After Man of Steel, I didn't even bother with BvS.
>>81228170
Yeah, because 1 tried to be a comedy, another was made by fucking cannon, and the last one was creepy and weird.
>>81228764
lol, okay Mr. Historian.
>>81229083
Batman literally stopped killing one year in, and Superman was the champion of the proletariat. Learn your comic history, nerd.
>>81229124
Yes, and we're long past the golden age. It was dead and gone long before you ever picked up a comic book.
Fuck off.
>>81228000
Funny you post that image, I saw this movie and couldn't help think how much Tommy would hate it and the versions of Supes and Bats who'd be worthy of his bullets.
>>81229453
lol, very triggered.
don't worry I have a filter that replaces 'superman fans' with 'I'
>>81229123
I liked the movie and I do enjoy Superman struggling with his role and responsibility to the world, and the controversy his existence causes. But I do agree with you about him needing to be happier. I appreciate they showed a lot of him saving people and doing heroic things, but it was always with a dark and stormy background and a stern look on his face.
There was no contrast between Batman and Superman. Both of them were constantly shot in dark and foreboding locations. Superman can smile and look heroic while still being serious and not a fucking boring cartoon like OP wants.
It felt like they were trying really hard to dispel any preconceptions people had of Superman and make him more popular by being like Batman.
>>81229414
What are you talking about? Superman has been serious and a conflicted, well-rounded character who doesn't "always find a way" (read: never has to grow as a character) for over 30 years now up to the present day, it's not ancient fucking history. You idiots are the ones who want him to be like Silver Age Superman.
Nuh
Muh
>>81229453
Ooh testy. Seems like the people actually writing the comics still feel there's worth in the elements of golden age Supes.
>>81228000
>edgy New 52!!!
DC's Superman hasn't been edgy for a long while, as anyone who actually reads DC Comics and doesn't parrot opinions knows.
what are all the current (See: since the reboot) supes stuff worth reading
>>81229225
Lex go away
>>81229651
Action Comics Morrison's run and Greg Pak's run. Main title Superman Geoff Johns short run. Superman Unchained is okay but a weak ending and currently American Alien is solid though some might disagree on that.
>>81228000
>Not your Neu52 edgy bullshit, not your grimdark Man of Murder
OP, I feel like we didn't watch the same movie.
>>81229854
aight, I'll look into those, thanks!
>>81229878
If you were implying that the superman in BvS is "lawful good" you need your fucking head examined
>>81230019
No, I'm implying that BvS was far from "edgy" or grimdark".
I'm just posting Superman to post Superman.
If BvS superman is a continuation of MoS superman, then holy shit people are STILL exaggerating him to such extremes? people here were calling him grimdark and edgy murderman when he killed someone on what amounts to his first experience of live combat. Be glad he was there, or the death count would've been higher than 17, and the damage would've amounted to more than 135 pesos
>>81228000
Why can't it be a Hitman thread?
DCAU Supes was his best interpretation
Prove me wrong
>>81230284
>>81228315
>That pic
What a cunt.
>>81229123
Why does /co/ not know that superheroes have the worst lives ever. Even the ones that are happy go-lucky, have jobs and girlfriends like Clark still have people constantly trying to kill them, threaten the entire planet or kidnap/kill people they love. Superman isn't immune to this trope at all. In fact he pretty much started alot of it.
>>81228000
>THIS is the Superman fans want.
>>81228000
Clearly not, if that was the case he would be as popular as he was before instead of being second place to Batman.
>>81230019
Superman isn't Lawful Good anyway, he's Neutral Good. He fights for what HE believes and doesn't follow any nation's laws.
>>81230816
Superman is a Metallica fan
>>81228764
>All-Star Superman is a TRIBUTE to Silver Age Superman
...And your problem is..?
To me All-Star Supes is best Supes. It's everything awesome about the character and his world distilled down in one huge delicious candy-colored story of trial and perseverance and adventure.
>>81230852
Yeah, believe it or not Superman is capable of enjoying things. But I guess that's golden age bullshit.
>>81228011
>>81230890
uh huh
but is it fun?
>>81229456
Yup. Sad that modern DC doesn't seem to understand that.
As I said in another thread, I hope Marvel makes a kick-ass Hyperion or Sentry movie. It would sweet vengeance to see them do Superman better than DC/Warners.
>>81229524
>a fucking boring cartoon like OP wants.
Someone needs reading comprehension lessons.
>>81230932
Hell yes.
>>81230977
>It would sweet vengeance to see them do Superman better than DC/Warners.
Go watch the first Captain America. They basically did already.
>>81228000
Honestly, the Superman I want to see on film is a balance. I like All-Star's super paragon of men, but I think what'd be interesting is a more down to Earth Superman like this.
Basically, striking a balance between the always right paragon of good who generally appears in other character's stories rather than his own, and the destructive character than Snyder creates.
>>81231156
Source? Looks like Morrison's Action Comics.
>>81228011
>Typical opinion of a low IQ 12 year old with a easily impressive and weak mind.
THIS IS THE SUPERMAN WE WANT!
Manic depressive afraid of being replaced . Failing his own high standards. Suffers from survivors guilt. Refuses to grow up and marry Lois but runs around in his baby sheets. Legion of superheroes. Super pets. Jimmy Olsen turns into a turtle.
Nonstop madness for 8 pages
>>81231225
>typical opinion of a Hollywood director n charge of a billion dollar franchise
fixed that for you.
>>81228315
I really liked Action Comics rendition of Superman. Mostly because it dared to introduce some new villains and ideas into the Superman Universe. I was really hesitant at first when it came to Mxy's introduction to the story, but Morrison really knows how to deal with the 5th dimensional imp. He showed an amount of restraint that isn't as common in some of his other work, and that really helped make the story feel like a classic Superman Adventure
I like my Superman as much as the next guy, but I really can't stand it when they turn him into Goku and he's forced to fight SUPER ULTRA VILLAIN OF THE UNIVERSE #11242145. Even as much as I'm enjoying Pak's run, I think the Vandal Savage arc has gone on a bit longer than it should have. Easily the best of his run has been what Clark's up to on the side, like the one issue with the Superman Revenge Squad or the entirety of the God-Wrestling story. That shit was rad as hell
>>81231184
That was for the #0 event DC did. It's included in Volume 2 of Action Comics, I believe. The story's about a kid who takes Superman's cape so he can be strong enough to stand up to his abusive dad. Check it out, it's a great little story in its own right
>>81231331
>God-Wrestling story
Doesn't ring a bell. What issue(s) was this?
Here's an interesting challenge. We've seen Dark and Gritty Superman and we've seen Golden/Silver Age fun Superman. How about we try something completely different?
You have complete control over the Superman franchise. The only rule is that you cannot do the Campy/Edgy angle for the character. You can do literally anything else you want, but in no way can you play up either the wacky/insane side of the character or the dark/realistic side
What do you do with the character?
>>81231463
I interview a bunch of blue collar first responder guys like figure fighters and cops and EMTs and base Superman on them.
>>81231451
Might've been what Pak was doing during Action comics, but its still pretty recent. It was a fucking blast, though. Superman gets tangled in an underground wrestling ring with literal gods who fight each other as a means of keeping their history alive. Superman takes the place of one of the wrestlers after he accidentally breaks his shit thinking he's a villain. It's pretty radicool
>>81231463
Superman the Myth.
Borderline Golden Agey, with a hint of dark gritty human real life elements. But he inspires normal people to be better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9vrfEoc8_g
>>81228791
>81228764
>Destroying a mans livelyhood because he was being a stupid drunk
that was extremely petty, something the real supes would never do
>>81231614
This is the Superman we need
He won't come in and do things for you. But if he's around you know nothing bad can happen and that makes you want to do what he knows you can do
Superman is everyone's Dad
He'll never get angry at you, but he'll be disappointed if you don't try your best
He'll always encourage you
>>81231451
>>81231503
Yang did that part. It was pretty neat.
>>81231487
This.
He's not a force of good that's in your face about it, he does it because its' the right thing to do and needs to be done. Ironically Marvel nailed it with Evan's Cap. He's basically what Superman should be and audiences will love the character of "good for good's sake" as long as it's not condescending. Snyder doesn't get this.
>>81231463
I'd honestly focus a lot on the world of Krypton. Maybe we see more of the world's technology, the people who inhabit it, the mythology of the planet, etc.
I always found Krypton to be one of the most interesting parts of Superman's mythos but, of course, we never really learn a whole lot about it. I'd make a lot of stories set on Krypton pre-destruction with Zod as the main character as he moves up the ranks. Over time, he becomes jaded to the peaceful society he has worked so hard to keep safe. Jor-El is the flipside of the argument and is the man who works advocates for nonviolence while Zod tries to convince the council to continue supporting his army and its conquest of the rest of the galaxy. Blah blah blah, Jor-El uses the Phantom Zone to imprison Zod and his army, etc.
By the time Superman meets Zod, he isn't just another Kryptonian. He's a goddamn general, a master tactician with a trained army who have spent the last 30 years fighting to survive in the forgotten depths of space. He doesn't make jokes, he doesn't tease Superman or even insult him, he's a man who has been broken down by the world he has sacrificed so much to protect. All he wants is for you to kneel before him
>>81231637
He wasn't even "superman" yet, you fuck.
>>81232026
Superman isn't the suit, it's the man inside the suit.
>>81231637
>implying most truckers actually own their truck
>implying anyone in the audience actually empathized with him
>>81230932
>but is it fun?
yeah. incredibly so.
>yfw you're a marvel fan and DC fans still want Snyder to helm the DCEU
>>81228086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZpPHffldws
>>81232185
I get morrison's dislike for watchmen but I really wish that all the little stories in ALL Star came together in the end.
(Also it would have been better with its original ending that grant gave to Millar for red son)
>>81233322
>but I really wish that all the little stories in ALL Star came together in the end.
read it again
>>81231487
Pretty much what Superman is. He just deals with things that regular first responders can't deal with and leaves the rest to them.
>>81228011
That would be batman actually
>>81233489
Honestly the older I get the more I realize Batman isn't really all that MORE REALISTIC and HUMAN
He's too prepared. He's a master of every science, every martial art, every detective skill and it would take a life time to get good in just one.
He's constantly shoehorned places he has no business being and every team he's one will at some point be dumbed down just so he can look like a badass,
>>81231768
>>81231463
Some of the best, or at least my favorite Superman stuff is his sci-fi adventure stuff. It's a huge fucking plus to have your hero be night invulnerable and super-strong, and powered (or weakened) by starlight. So yeah, big space adventure. Not sure if you'd consider that 'playing up the wacky side' of the character though.
>>81233755
I never understood how people can call Supes OP without realizing that most of his enemies are just as OP if not more so.
Do they think he's nabbing purse snatchers?
>>81228000
not muh superman
>Bizarro will never be in a DCEU movie
>Mxyzptlk will never be in a DCEU movie
>>81228000
>and the American Way.
No thanks
>>81228000People want to see pissed off Superman. Like the moment when Lex threataned his mother.
>>81228000
Thank OP. By Reverse Google Image I read the comics it is from. And I loved it. I brought a tear to my eyes.
http://www.shwiggie.com/hitman/hm-34/
>>81233929
>>Bizarro will never be in a DCEU movie
>>81231768
I miss New Krypton. I wish they'd kept it around longer. Just tucked it neatly away behind the sun, orbiting opposite Earth, out of sight and out of mind. Largely forgotten about, both in universe and out, until whatever big even required an all Krytonian cavalry.
>>81234053
even if he is they'll just make him "retarded clone" or something again
Bizarro World is gone forever
>>81233929
Metallo would make a great introductory villain.
Can actually fight Superman, sets up Kryptonight, and you can have it tie into Lex Luthor as a looming threat for any sequels
>>81230929
What's the bridge scene from? I recognize everything else.
>>81230890
Right there with you mon.
>>81234315
Birthright.
I'd recommend it. It has a Luthor scheme to discredit Superman that actually makes sense.
>>81233389
That's not an answer
>>81228350
Donarudo comic when
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CwfJ9JsXOA
>>81228350
>It will always be a mistake to place our faith in any character outside of the public domain.
>doesn't belong to us, he doesn't act in our best interests. He will always serve the whims of his corporate masters
>>81234468
Read it again.
>>81231184
No, the S stands for Hope.
>>81234488
KFC is building towards a Crisis of the Infinite Sanders.
I think they are on their fourth comedian on the role now.
Norm is still my fave.
>>81228000
don't talk for me faggot
Snyderverse Supes is fine.
Donner fags please go, go jack off to Superman returns while wearing a cape.
>>81234167
>>81234053
Man, I gotta say, STAS and JLU made amazing use of Superman's rogues gallery. Metallo and Toyman in particular were fairly chilling.
>>81234617
>Snyderverse Supes is fine.
Dude, I actually like Cavil as Superman. But the handful of scenes where he actually feels, and almost acts like Superman, I'm convinced happened by entirely by accident.
>>81231463
A brief intro of working together in a battle to save Earth, Superman and Lex end up in space, not in a universe they recognize. Completely alien to both of them, with no means to find Earth OR their home reality.
They have a means to find life and civilizations across space, but they're galaxies apart and have no contact with each other, with the occasional advanced civilization managing to expand into space, but few have contacted other civilizations.
A quest to find out more about this reality, and piece together a way and means to get home, helping worlds along the way, with this journey changing them and their understanding of what it ultimately means to "do good"Concludes with them finally discovering this IS their reality, billions of years in the future.
Although they saved Earth, humanity has since died out, with only a burnt-out Earth circling a red-dwarf Sun and a few traces of wreckage in nearby systems to mark their existence
I just miss the classic costume
>>81228277
A Mary Sue is not "Any character you don't like." A Mary Sue is explicitly a character who is introduced into another story and is inexplicably good at everything and super popular. Rey from TFA is a Sue. The Girl Who Lived is a Sue. Superman is not a Sue because he is in his OWN continuity. The phrase you want is "Boring invincible protagonist".
>>81234538
Not an answer
>>81233793
This is part of what irritates me about certain incarnations of Supes. It's like watching DBZ, and I fucking HATE DBZ.
Okay yeah, i get it. This enemy is totally more powerful than the last guy, (this arbitrary number tells me) so supes will just GRUNT EXTRA LOUDLY AND DRAMATICALLY as he beats the baddie (yet again).
And the narrator or some bystander scientist will frame the whole thing with some astronomically high number (HAHA LAST TIME IT WAS A MILLION LIVES HE SAVED, BUT THIS TIME IT'S A MILLION BILLLION!!! OH, WERE YOU IMPRESSED LAST TIME WHEN HE MOVED THE MOON? WELL THIS TIME HE'S MOVING JUPITER -- A HUNDRED TIMES!)
As a character that is supposed to heroically struggle with shit, superman's power-set makes him suck. In an ill-fated attempt to add some kind of real CONFLICT to the character, writers do one of two things. They either A) Make him fight ever-increasingly OP badguys from space or other kryptonians (more DBZ type bullshit) or they give him ANGST ABOUT HIS POWER AND RESPONSIBILITIES. Which is honestly a dreadful bore and ends in some kind of bronze-age 'realistic' deconstruction that undermines everything about the character. A realistic superman ceases to be superman because superman is by definition unrealistic.
I much prefer him as a vehicle for speculative sci-fi stuff or playful jokey silver age stuff. In that role he's great. I even enjoy when they maintain the conceit of Lois not knowing, and play into Clark's mild-mannered farmboy upbringing, which creates this fun little rom-com dynamic.
As I see it, we can either play to superman's narrative strengths, avoiding the power arms-race and angst traps.... or we can massively reduce his power-set.
I'd honestly like to see an weaker superman. He doesn't fly, he just leaps tall buildings. He doesn't approach luminal speeds, he just goes faster than a speeding bullet. He doesn't lift planets, he but he can haul as much as a freight train.
We need Superboy back
>>81228086
All-Star Superman movie would be really hard to make nowadays, a lot of people is okay with Snyder's Supes now, it's very different, and i'm talking about general audience who goes to theaters
>>81238382
Superman should never have been allowed to just beat up e.g. Darkseid. The existence of threats above him is pretty key to establishing him as a hero.
>>81230284
based Tommy
>>81228414
>Not enjoying master race Christopher Reeves Supes
Son, please.
>>81234617
>Snyderverse Supes is fine.
He created a character with the same powers with superman, and that is it. Everything else about the character is gone.
>>81231075
Winter Soldier was pretty good too
>this isnt freedom. this is fear.
speaking of which, everyone likes to pair Cap and bats, for the strategist hand to hand combat thing, and it's happened, but has Cap in any crossovers ever been paired with Supes? feels theyd be a nice match
>>81233962
>tfw the american way used to mean something
>now it just stands for ruined greedy economy and interventionist foreign policy
feels bad
>>81234623
>that metallo episode where he loses his memory and is found by a pair of kids on some island who take care of him and he protects them
>everything about Toyman
good shit.
>>81238382
>As a character that is supposed to heroically struggle with shit
Who told you superman is supposed to struggle? Superman's only struggle should be to not accidentally kill someone. Or not even that.
>>81238382
the DC animated universe got this right. having a night invincible superman makes it hard to do conflicts well. So they just depower him slightly. he can still fly, is still bulletproof and all that, but he wont punch a hole in darksed's head, and can actually take a beating from enemies who match his strength. he can still be punched around, and his strength has limits. hes not juggling planets.
>>81240523
if you're an american, you only have yourself to blame. I'm not sure, was it around JFK? Carter? Your nation was bright around then, now it's fucking raping its own citizens.
According to sales, this is the Superman the audience want.
>>81228000
God will u not muh supes fags fuck off already jesus fucking christ no superman fan I know irl (yes they fucking read superman comics probably more than you faggots who cling to one era) had a problem with man of steel or his characterisation on BvS (they all agreed movie was shit though)
Even my own mother who is a huge donner fag loved Cavill so just fuck off with the whining already for fuck sake
>>81240886
>>81240768
JFK was the beginning of the end, but after carter is when we started to die spiritually. 80's and 90's were still mostly ok culturally, but now theres nothing left. the tank is empty and morals are dead.
coincidentally, patriotism is dead too.
>>81240976
>patriotism is dead
It always surprised how a nation with only a few centuries of history, made out of a mixture of different races and cultures, more often than not hating each other -which is safe to assume, because they slaughtered and/or enslaves one another- could have something to be patriotic towards.
But yeah, I agree, at least there were some bright stuff about the us in the past century. the 21st wasn't good for you. And because you're the king, your shit spills onto us too.
someone post the JL webm of Supes picking up the flag
>>81241166
Ahead of his own time
>>81228000
>This is the Superman fans want
>BvS on track to make a billion
Keep bawing
>>81241335
>This is the Superman fans want
Batman v Superman is a movie made for people that hate Superman.
>>81240939
>they all agreed movie was shit though
Shit drone friends
>>81241324
There are few quotes I like more than this one. Easily on my top 10.
>>81241166
because generally speaking, the "American dream" instilled a sense of pride. people from all over came to the US because life WAS better here.
you could say what you want without being silenced, you could get work and buy a house and a car, and from it's creation, the nation has been heavily nationalistic and very prideful of it's homegrown culture. The mid 19th century had a hand in that. (anthem is written, American grown heroes and icons are created, like Andrew Jackson and Davy Crockett, etc)
>>81241383
Everybody hates Superman, even the people working on Superman comics, cartoons and movies hate Superman
>>81241555
>say what you want without being silenced, find work, buy a house and a car
That's no longer the case, is it?
>>81236748
Read it again.
Also, you never asked a question.
>>81241635
Agreed. Look at "Superman" antagonizing these people in Action Comics 1. Clearly Shiegel and Shuster, much like Snyder, hated and didn't understand Superman. Not like I do.
>>81241324
While I love Wilde's ingenuity and cleverness, I got to say he was clearly wrong on this one.
I mean, America is a continent and pretty went through pretty much what he describes. So, not very "only" either.
>>81241852
Not sure if America changed toward immigration or just the locals can't get away with treating them like shit
>>81231701
>as long as it's not condescending
So it's NOT Evans!Cap.
>>81242159
>Implying the backyard count
Back then, Canada was still a British colony so the rest of the continent belong to the United States of America
>>81228086
>those feels when I saw BvS and Jesse Eisenberg was getting into a prison jumpsuit
Please. I want this conversation in cinema so fucking bad. It was great in the animated movie.
>>81228000
>"Grimdark Man of Murder"
What's it like being a living YouTube comment?
>>81228000
>He wants his one-dimensional Superman
You're fucking cancer and this is why you're not directing superhero films. Anyone else who thinks this way is a fucking retard. The Man of Steel Superman is by far the most realistic Superman of all time. A Super human with actual issues and isn't some American faggot prancing around like nothing is going on. Snyder fucking delivered.
>>81242357
Sweet pasta, but you gotta be over 18 to post here.
>>81231701
I thought people love EvansCap because they wish to have access to super-steroids, therefore wish-fulfillment. The "not his time" thing and "my morals" are just to give him something to whine about because nowadays people want their heroes to whine despite they're what they want to be.
>>81242498
BTW, that body is clearly the result of steroids. Chris Evans has manboobs
I want a superman with flaws, but I don't want that edgy "I'm about to get Injustice on you" shit either.
How about an all good, overpowered classic supes, who's also naive and easily fooled, so the government uses his patrioticism and good nature to get him to do nasty stuff without realising it?
>>81242292
It's a pretty big place bro, and some of it was pretty damn wealthy back in the day. For example Paraguay was a genuine threat to England, economically, as the major exporter of goods. That's the whole reason the war of the triple alliance took place, taking paraguay down so many notches it never came back and went to be one of the shit holes even with as many shit holes as South America has.
I know you people only know up until mexico, but the damn place is bigger than you could even expect.
>>81242866
America and the incompetent local elites destroyed any chance the backyard had. Nowadays China is taking over thanks to Bush's idiotic war on Iraq but it's just a change of administration.
>>81230816
Bottom left, is that Superman helping a SUPERMAN expy?
>>81241852
>That's no longer the case, is it?
>Say what you want without being silenced
Public censure, at the very least, if you violate this second's cause celebre.
>Find work
Where it can be found, it is regulated to ever-loving hell, where it isn't stifled by unions and corporate latifundia. Private business is slowly dying, squeezed twixt government and economy. I used to work the Bakken, for example. Before that I was a rancher. Look how that ended: The Bakken's near bust, too expensive to drill, and fucking methheads poisoned my cattle (after the ever-so-endangered-and-totally-not-a-menace wolves savaged a third of them, of course). Industry can't grow because there's no profit in it anymore.
> Buy a house
And mortgage your life away. If you can buy outright, your property taxes will not allow you to keep it long. Then there are, of course, the accusations that you're too wealthy and not sharing enough, despite the fact you live in a prefab, or you die and your mortality taxes eat the land you spent four generations ripping out of soil that produces barely knee-high wheat.
>Buy a car
This is still possible, largely, and not likely to damage you.
The dream is dying. I love this country, but the wind is blowing foul and the winter's a-coming in.
And since I realize no one's gonna listen to this, fuck unions, fuck corporatists, and fuck both their lobbies. Also one big middle finger to any commie fuck who calls me a scab. I hate all of you.
>>81230977
Sentry is kind of Man of Steel doubled down on the depression and with an evil counterpart that outdoes everything good about him.
Their Superman expy right now are Thor and Vision. And Vision is the most competent so far.
>THIS is the Superman fans want.
Speak for yourself. If you want that version of Superman, then go and enjoy the decades worth of media that he's in and stop being a little bitch.
>>81242167
The immigrant population we are getting now is different from previous immigrant waves. Naturalization was encouraged on the gov't side, assimilation on the other, and people were happy to be "American" without any sort of prevarication or adding a hyphen.
>>81242357
>muh realism
Fuck you and every fuck like you going back to Alan Moore. Superman is supposed to be the ideal hero, and fuck anyone who doesn't like him portrayed that way. Look up in the sky for goddamn once.
>>81243472
Weren't chinks not allowed to travel with their wives? Americans didn't want chinks to have children on American soil
>>81243630
Ironically, Alan Moore is a huge nostalgiafag. When Superman is forced to become grim and realistic on Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, his reaction was basically, I'm outta here. Moore admitted he was really butthurt back then. Many fanboys were bitter for COIE and in general for the marvelfication of the DC universe, they seriously believed that would be the last time Krypto and the old gang would be seen.
>>81243656
That was actually, surprisingly, ONLY in California.
(Butte, Montana has a Chinatown thanks to Californian regulations. Proof that California has always been a horrible place.)
>>81228000
>the comics figured out to stop fucking with Superman 20 years ago
>the movies figured out not to 30 years ago
>people today gotta be tryhard edgelord faggles
>>81243630
>Fuck you and every fuck like you going back to Alan Moore.
Alan Moore thinks superheroes should be for kids. That's why it's hilarious when Snyderfags try quoting him.
>>81234130
>>81240029
Cavill ACTS Superman reaaally well even though the version he's playing is repeatedly blocked from doing Supermanny things by the script.
Imagine if the character had a real reason to look so burdened by responsibility.
I just want a superman who is there to help people because it's what he thinks is right. That it's what he was raised to do.
>>81245314
But he does? In the movie Ma tells him to do help people if that's what he wants, that is ultimately his choice. He is not doing it because his mother or Lois tell him to, he wants to help everyone despite what others think because is the right thing to do.
>>81243472
Expensive houses aren't due to immigrants, though; baby boomers should never have treated houses as their sole investments, and now their system requires housing to rise in value, beyond the reach of many.
What was the line Superman said on the balcony to Lois just before he flew away? I forget what it was exactly but I was floored by how "un-Superman" it was.
>>81230816
>you will never shake Superman's hand
He must honestly be a fun guy to be around with.
>>81245314
That's exactly what he does in BvS they flat out say it in the montage
>>81247794
"On your world, this meant something."
"My world died a long time ago."
>>81231156
Where do I start with these Action comics and can I just read them all or are there recommended ones?
>>81228460
And that's what Cavill's Supes is. He's just dealing with a darker, more realistic world. That is, in how people would see a godlike being like him (though he's really just a dude from Kansas).
>>81233571
Is Lex a Mary Sue with his intelligence level being far above Batman's?
>>81248921
This.
We literally had a thread on /co/ ages ago about how we're the exact same as the Marvel citizens: we would hate capes and find every reason to mistrust them.
>>81249040
Batman has been smarter than Lex since he became DC's cash cow. Batman is the best at everything because he's the goddamn Batman
>>81248873
For the New 52 Action Comics issues, it's recommended you read 1-12, 0 (published between 12 and 13, it's the issue with the above train scene), 13-18, then 25 onwards. Really, the only crap issues are 19-24.
>>81250663
I'll add that there are some crossovers in there that kind of make things shitty, as far as importance of other books goes Doomed (it's one of those where you have to read all the issues from all the books to know what's going on) is worse than Truth (the arcs are related but you don't really have to read every book until the Savage Dawn stuff).
>>81228460
MoS we see superman take up the burden
BvS we see superman have doubts, yet he affirms his place as he hadn't yet understood it before, he faces mortality to understand the plight of the powerless to then actually be able to fight for them and truly knowing that this is his worldall which signals the movefrom hope to faith
>>81250743
True. From 31-34, and again from 41 onwards, the Superman line gets heavily involved in crossovers.
>>81229123
the struggle isn't that he doesn't want to be superman, the struggle is that the world is grey and full of people who don't trust him
the struggle is that he bears his heart on his sleeve, or rather, on his chest yet people still not only doubt him but think he is evil
this hurts, and i felt that watching the movie, i felt his pain
>>81245833
>>81248395
this. BvS shows that despite everything working against him he always tries to do the right thing
>i can take you without breaking you
>trying to talk to batman at the beginning of their conflict, we see changes in his facial expression and body language as the fight goes on
>>81247794
that scene is meant to show his doubts and struggle with the ideal that is superman, it's not that he doesn't want to be superman but the world seems like it doesn't want superman
>>81228011
I'll gladly take a "boring Mary Sue" over a boring brooding selfish asshole, at least when it comes to Superman.
The only thing Snyder's Superman is good at is being an antagonist to more likable characters,
>>81232185
Bizzarospeak triggers me every time.
>>81243630
>Fuck you and every fuck like you going back to Alan Moore.
But Alan Moore wrote two of the best Superman stories, why wouldn't you want to go back to that?
>>81251686
But both those stories have Superman rejecting his normal mode of action in favor of something more vicious and unstable.
I think Moore genuinely just doesn't like Superman.
>>81228350
The mutability of superman is exactly what's made him as "worshipped" as he is now. The fact that he has such a primal appeal tends to point towards something outside of his corporate trappings. And don't pretend there hasn't been a huge amount of Superman stuff outside DC's umbrella. All-star superman was in all likelihood influenced by Ed Pinsent's "silver age superman," a totally independent and probably illegal venture written in the 90s.
>>81251796
Pic.
>>81241555
I think we can get back to it, I think if we fight for it and if we never give up then we can start a better future.
I honestly prefer Jor-El to Kal-El.
>>81234534
t. Goldberg Silverstein
>>81251954
America was never great. It just got lucky for being surrounded by banana republics and Europe going full retard on the 20th century
>>81230450
He's a teenager with infinite power. How is he realistically not supposed to be a cunt?
>>81251719
Considering after Superman he want on and wrote for Supreme who is a superman clone i don't really think that's the case at least at that time.
>>81251271
>that scene is meant to show his doubts and struggle with the ideal that is superman, it's not that he doesn't want to be superman but the world seems like it doesn't want superman
That doesn't work, when he never tried to be Superman. This applies both in MoS and now in BvS. He is waiting for humanity to accept Superman BEFORE he is willing to become Superman. But that's not how it works. You MAKE the world accept you. You want friends? You make friends. You want to be a public figure and symbol of good? You show up in public and be seen in broad daylight interact with civilians. And not just when people are in danger.
In MoS Superman decided he wouldn't show up until humanity accept aliens. That never happened, so Zod showed up and made the choice for him. Superman is just WAITING for humans to make the first move, as a passive force who only reacts. That's not signs of a future leader of JL.
>>81252221
He learned from his dad
>>81230977
>Sentry
>Badass
He's MOS/BvS Superman x10000. He's fucking awful, worst Marvel character.
>>81229570
This was honestly my favorite part of the Truth story arc in Pak's run. It embodies Supes so well. He's there to stand up and take the hits for the little guys, even when being depowered. I wish they could've done something more interesting with the story line instead of making it into a "THIS HAS ALL BEEN THE PLOT OF A BIG BAD AND HIS UNDERLINGS" what contrived bullshit.
>>81252221
are you dense? the party scene explicitly shows how he'll drop anything he's doing to go save anyone in trouble
perry himself looks for clark then comments that he always pulls disappearing acts
in MoS superman was looking for answers and doing good deeds the whole time. the moment he gains clarity from jor el he puts on the suit and in an act of faith turns himself over to humanity. if i remember right the only reason zod came was because of how clark activated the ship. he had already made the choice to be a public figure
the struggle of BvS is not that humanity doesn't accept superman, it's that they not only not trust him but think he is a bad person when all he wants to do is help.
he literally showed up at a hearing he didn't have to show up to only to get blown up. at every turn he's trying to do good in BvS and people here shoot him down for it. it's exactly the reason he's sad through a lot of the movie.
>>81252413
Superman interacting with everyday people is always great
>>81252490
>if you're looking for his monument look around you
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>>81241324
I think it started with Reagan and then just went downhill from there. But it was campaign finance and lobbying which really killed us. When any million/billion/trillionaire or special interest group can use their monies to buy elections and politicians, well, you don't have a government of the people anymore, just a straight up plutocracy. I don't know if New Zealand is any better but I'll guess I'll find out soon.
>>81252619
America has always been an oligarchy thanks to having 2 parties but I agree things got worse with Reagan, to be more precise with reaganomics. Corporative sinergy destroyed western civilization
>>81252619
new zealand gave up kim dotcom so no, big institutions are not a a guarantee of freedom
>>81248435
Superman was never real. Just a farmer's dream.
No one stays good forever.
>>81252736
>No one stays good forever.
>his face when he says that
>my face almost matched his
>>81252736
>No one stays good forever.
I just played MKX and they made Liu Kang into a villain because he's boring. Damn, why good guys can't stay good anymore? HUUUURRR EITHER YOU DIE A HERO OR BECOME A VILLAIN AMIRITE XD
>>81252779
Superman needs a new director, Snyder thinks he's just another Dr Manhatan
>>81252838
i don't see the connection at all
>>81252855
Neither do I but they do need to get Hack Snyder the hell out of there. He's ruining the character and with him any chance of a good DC cinematic universe.
>>81252855
Not that anon but Manhattan claimed Laurie was his connection with mankind while Clark said Louis was his world. Also, Louis is the key aka her death seems to be the trigger that will cause Clark to go full Injustice. Yep. Batman was right all along. Supes is a dangerous alien and he must be stopped
>>81252901
why? because he presents us a guy with absolute power who refuses to be corrupted and strived to do good no matter what?
>>81252938
i see that as love, fully embracing the world which doubts him in love
>>81252855
All powerful godlike being unable to conect with regular mortals and who struggles with remorse and doubts for his whole existence
>>81253362
i thought dr manhattan didn't have a cause
bvs presents superman striving for an ideal in the face of cynicism from the world
as far i remember dr manhattan doesn't really care, and more so doesn't believe in free will anyway
>>81252855
Cold detached demigod, predominately blue in color, that can't connect with people due to his sheer power. His redheaded girlfriend is the only link he has to humanity, and even that is tenuous at best. People are terrified of the power he represents, and the somewhat effeminate, super intelligent villain uses his power to scare people and control the masses.
...Yeah I don't see it either.
>>81253426
>bvs presents superman striving for an ideal in the face of cynicism from the world
The problem is that a lot of people think it fails to do this well enough for it to be noticeable much less count.
>>81253587
that's fair
i noticed it and thought the whole point is that in the end he's all in and shows others what they are
whereas bruce sees and changes lex sees yet goes further still
>>81247708
Boomers ruin everything, this is a well known fact.
>>81247708
Flipping houses and maintain the value of a structure that would take twice its value or more than building new ones.
Or better yet living in an apartment.
>>81228503
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>>81230450
>implying Superman hasn't always been a cunt.
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>>81254807
1930's Superman was best Superman.
I liked his series .. But take his place at New 52 Superman everywhere, even in Justice League and Trinity, is EXCESSIVE.
Will not finish his comic, for what I see as the future, no...They could not live with both, no .. now he takes it all.
I'll wait to see if Clark Kent will have been in Action Comics of Rebirth..
it is New52Superman or not.
>>81235912
Me too. Every time they try to update it, it comes off as so tryhard. If you saw a guy with the look and build of Alex Ross's Superman slowly floating down towards you, it would be an awe-inspiring sight regardless of the costume.
I really think that Snyder doesn't like Superman, or at least can't understand him. Man of Steel seeks to answer why Clark would become Superman. Why Clark would want to help people. When really the answer to that question has always been 'because he's Superman.' He doesn't need a greater reason than that, yet Snyder can't accept that. He even cites him killing Zod as teaching him not to kill. In what world does killing someone have to be the reason to not kill? It's not acceptable to come to the conclusion that killing is bad just based on morals and not experience?
Most egregiously in BvS was straight after the Capitol incident. Superman would have been upset obviously, but he would direct his aggression at founding out who was responsible, not fucking off to the mountains leaving Earth helpless.
>>81252274
...................MAYBE.........
>>81254888
I thought this was some unholy offspring of Patrick Warburton and Steven Siegal in a super suit before I realized it wasn't a photo
>>81240891
What the fuck is that?
