/2016/03/23/marguerite-bennett-replaced-by-greg-rucka-on-wonder-woman-and-other-dc-comics-rebirth-kerfuffles/
>I am told that after a few issues were written and approved, that the editor of Wonder Woman was suddenly changed and Margueite Bennett was gone as well. And that she would be replaced on the book by a higher profile writer.
>I have separately been told that the individual in question is Greg Rucka, who previously wrote a well regarded run on the title. Greg had sworn off working for DC Comics previously, after he was not made the writer on the Wonder Woman: Earth One graphic novel as he says was promised him. He returned a few years ago for the Five Years Later/Future’s End project – before leaving two weeks in, before it was even announced.
>Now, I am told, he is back. On the bi-weekly Wonder Woman Rebirth comic. Details of which will be announced on Saturday.
/2016/03/23/vertigo-comics-to-get-its-own-rebirth-at-eccc-for-july/
>I am told that DC’s Vertigo is undergoing a similar rebranding exercise as DC’s Rebirth from July, but to expect announcements at Emerald City Comic Con in Seattle, from April 7th to the 10th, rather than at this weekend’s LA-based Wondercon.
>The recent attempt to look like more like Image Comics with an expansion of creator-participant titles delivered no breakout comics and saw a market that seem disinclined to support them, however good they were. And some were very good indeed.
>I am told that Vertigo is going to rebrand itself, with an emphasis on a more “classic” Vertigo tone with work-for-hire mature reader takes on lower profile DC Comics superhero properties. Like they used to do.
>And the Becky Cloonan/Gerard Way Doom Patrol book will be a flagship title for the imprint, leading up until the Sandman Spin Off books, based on ideas by Neil Gaiman, are launched before Christmas.
Hmmm
sounds good
Rucka was handed a fucked deal originally, but at least DC is making it square
Oh god, please be true about Vertigo.
Maybe this is why the new exclusives are only allowed to work for DC and Vertigo. They really want to keep the creators focused only on Vertigo and not let them do Image/Dark Horse etc stuff.
>>81025627
Confirmed. When writers start twetting like that is an obvious hint of what their next project will be
I never understood the Bennett hate, tbqh. Literally all editorial would need to do is say "calm down the with SJW edge shit", and she'd do it.
If anything, the "[unsolicited opinions about Israel]" is much less her fault and much more so the editorial's fault. I mean, fuck, who in their right mind would approve that? Any reasonable editor knows when to throw away trash that their writers create, and both the writer and the editor know it's an inevitable part of a good working relationship.
Bombshells is a great vision from Bennett, and it made me truly interested in seeing her vision for Wondy.
>>81025627
Another guess, if >>81025919 is right:
Rich got it wrong AGAIN.
Snyder actually isn't on anything directly related to Rebirth. Rucka is on TRINITY, not WW. Bennett is on WW.
>>81025373
Haven't been in the loop for a few months. What's the latest on WW? Is she still shit with the Finches? Is SM/WW still a thing? Is there any hope? Rucka sounds promising.
>>81026214
Finches are still on and SM/WW is still boring drivel that seems to be more of a crossover book than its own thing
>>81026214
Wondy is probably getting a new writer
Supes and Wondy broke up
>>81026315
>>81026322
Ok, so the Finches are about to get the boot and SM/WW is just a crossover book and not romance bullshit anymore. That's an improvement. When's her 75th?
>>81026575
Tomorrow.
>yfw this is true but the sales are still shit because it's just Rucka
Rich is just pulling shit out of his ass now.
Rucka back at DC would be great though. Didio did mend the bridges with him before Convergence.
>>81025983
The hate is mostly because of her SJW shit, but I would say although I have no bones about Bennett herself I do dislike or hate a lot of her work. Bombshells is pretty much the only thing she's done I've liked and Angela and Insexts are straight up badly written. I had a wee rant on the board about Insexts a while back.
You can blame that writing on an editor, but not without sharing the blame equally with the writer. It definitely doesn't sit solely with either one.
>>81025983
I've seen more people worried about her E2 quality bleeding over than the Angela thing.
If she does WW at a Bombshells level it will be nothing special but a vast improvement over the Finches.
>>81026745
Maybe she's one of those writers that's good at DC but bad at Marvel?
>>81026214
>Is SM/WW still a thing?
They broke up in like December. Truth was manufactured to set up Clark/Lois while Johns is pushing Diana/Steve hard in JL.
>>81026784
>Clark/Lois
>Diana/Steve
Finally, things are right again. But how is he doing Diana and Steve considering how he ended it with her dumping his ass and being a bitch to him every chance she got?
>>81026948
They're kinda flirting in JL
>>81026948
Barda shows up to save Scott and they see themselves in that couple and realize they were being dumb
>and being a bitch to him every chance she got?
Mostly just ignoring that I guess. Johns didn't really research WW until Fabok's redesign inspired him so his writing of her was pretty bad until a year or so ago. Better to just move on.
>>81025983
Because she's a terrible writer. I don't get why people defend her, she hasn't done anything truly good yet. other writers that have on occasion been good get more shit than her.
>>81027019
>>81027098
I read the Fabok was leaving recently. Does that mean WW will become shit again?
>>81027224
Johns is leaving too so nobody knows.
>>81025983
That whole episode was just an attempt to have relevant and absurd humour by having an ancient Norse deity reference current internet culture and neckbeards. Not a great attempt, but the intent was just to be quirky.
Only reason the internet blew up is because it touched a nerve by backing fun of MRAs. If it were any group but redpiller MRAs or SJWs, nobody would had noticed.
People are just masking their personal ouchies with THIS IS SUCH BAD WRITING, when that's really not where their outrage is coming from.
>Rucka might be back at DC
>Tynion is the one who has plans for Batwoman
Just fuck his shit up I guess
>>81027224
He and Johns are leaving Justice League but we don't much beyond that.
>>81025983
she hasn't written much good though
world's end
joker's daughter
the new lobo although that probably wasn't all her
Who do you want to write Green Arrow? I'm reading Grell's run right now and I would love to have a good ongoing for him.
>>81027396
I think Percy is still gonna be writing him.
>>81027259
>>81027300
And what about Morrison's WW E1? Any updates on that?
>>81027396
it's the same guy who's writing him now
>>81027409
That's out in like two weeks
>>81027408
Is his GA good?
>>81027409
It's been done for months now.
They pushed it back for this April.
>>81027424
>>81027448
Oh shit niggas. Do we have any new pages to look at? I remember the art was beautiful.
>>81027429
Nope.
>>81027429
pacing sucks and the art is shit now although the zircher issues were cool but he left pretty soon
>>81027429
The quality is really uneven and the pacing sucks.
If he is on GA then I hope it being bimonthly fixes his pacing issues a bit.
>>81027502
There's a few pages floating around, some dumb reviewer broke the embargo and posted pics
You can probably still dig them up somewhere
>>81027502
There was one review that posted some panels and pages out of context to bitch about it (the reviewer was a top pleb who didn't even know about kangas so I wouldn't worry about the negativity) but she had to take it down because it was put up too early. Archived version is still up:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151228010234/https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1471877493
Does look nice.
Rich you can say you were wrong, no need for this stuff about behind the scenes drama.
Shit some of the point of DCyoU and Rebirth is not having the editorial clusterfuck from the start of the nu52
>>81027634
And there are spoilers here of course, but that's probably a given and nothing truly that surprising from a WW origin to me
>>81027634
Don't read that review unless you want to be blood-boilingly mad.
I am nowhere near Patrician-level WW fan and even I could tell she had never read anything about, much less a comic about, Wonder Woman.
>>81025373
>And the Becky Cloonan/Gerard Way Doom Patrol book will be a flagship title for the imprint,
Not sure if want. Also not sure if Rich is full of shit
>And the Becky Cloonan/Gerard Way Doom Patrol book will be a flagship title for the imprint, leading up until the Sandman Spin Off books, based on ideas by Neil Gaiman, are launched before Christmas
I actually kind of believe this though since Didio dropped that hint on twitter (https://twitter.com/dandidio1/status/700833003358957570), and as >>81025918 said all the recent exclusives include Vertigo so it looks like they're trying to do something there.
>>81027622
>>81027634
Muh fucking dick. What was the reviewer bitching about? SJW shit? Not gonna read the article itself.
>>81027732
would be nice since there's no fringe or magic books in the new line besides Constantine
>>81027770
In part, SJW stuff: Hyppolita bound, being told to show her daughters how to please soldiers, etc.
Context being, that's the backstory as to why there are no men.
Called kanga jousting stupid, outraged over WW telling Black Steve Trevor to put on a collar, just missing the point of it all.
>>81027770
Just a pure ignorance of the material. Things like this:
>Now, I expected it to be different, but what I didn't expect was to see Hippolyta in chains while Hercules gave a rapey speech about his dominance over her.
I don't know why someone who hasn't read the most acclaimed run of the character the past 30 years is reviewing shit.
>>81027429
It seems to be a love it or hate it deal. Haven't read it yet but he probably isn't still on GA since Johns talked about sitting down with the new GA writer and talking about Grell and O'Neal.
>>81027732
Way is probably too busy and Cloonan has multiple books going on too so I'm skeptical unless it's a mini they've been working on for months.
>>81027634
I hope she got fucking sued.
>>81027927
>>81027429
It's been bad/hit-or-miss for a while, but #50 is straight-up good.
Percy also tweeted about the reception his book was getting around when Rebirth was announced (and I feel like either he retweeted Johns or the reverse). So, I think he's on Green Arrow.
>>81027976
What does Cloonan have besides Punisher? Is Southern Cross still going too? Gotham Academy doesn't start until the fall if she's still on it so maybe things are staggered in a way that that allows her to do everything.
>>81027429
To add to >>81028069:
A large part of it is that most DCYou writers (especially on big books) were told to either use weak stories or to stretch out their arcs as long as possible, so that the very best material could go into Rebirth.
>>81028157
>A large part of it is that most DCYou writers (especially on big books) were told to either use weak stories or to stretch out their arcs as long as possible, so that the very best material could go into Rebirth.
What? Source?
>>81028157
this could probably be true, lots of decent artists just disappeared a couple of issues ago too
>>81028157
Yeah, some things were obviously manufactured purely to take up issues like the Super League crossover and Gotham Academy's Yearbook thing. Kind of tipped people off to something coming up before Rebirth even was announced.
So we'll finally get a LoSH book.
https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/712741037807116290
>>81028531
eh...
>>81028531
I'm scared.
>>81028531
>>81028531
is he still burnt out, even manhattan projects is pretty bad now
>>81028531
Hear that? Legionfags are screaming.
>>81028531
Oh shit
I'm scared but excited. I hope it is LoSH because they need someone with a plan and his name is big enough to propel the franchise.
>>81028531
FUCK
YES
>>81025771
11th times the charm, right?
>>81028531
>Hackman on DC
well at least he can't fuck up Batman and Superman more than he did Tony and Steve. It's just not possible
>>81028611
Think positive. It can't be as bad as this was.
>>81028531
>mfw I just realised Brainiac already has the circle/line shit Hickman loves built into him
>>81028612
That 70s Calendar someone posted a while back had so much Legion wank I want that to return.
>I am told that Vertigo is going to rebrand itself, with an emphasis on a more “classic” Vertigo tone with work-for-hire mature reader takes on lower profile DC Comics superhero properties. Like they used to do.
>And the Becky Cloonan/Gerard Way Doom Patrol book will be a flagship title for the imprint
Please be true
>>81028531
Hickman is literally the only person with enough star power and interest in LOSH to write a book and not have it be cancelled due to low sales.
>>81028642
He'd just be doing what Frank has been famous for doing for decades.
>>81028531
i spent like 5 minutes trying to come up with a funny joke @ him about it
>>81028708
I think you could put Johns and Morrison on that list based on past results but probably neither of them is available to do it.
you guys get hickman's joking right?
>>81028773
man I'd love a Morrison run on Legion
>>81025983
She's been good on Bombshells. That lesbian insect vore thing she's doing isn't bad, either. Those tweets give me some hope for her WW.
Bennet isn't any worse than the other average work for hires that DC has like Tynion IV and Bunn, and like those guys I bet she can produce gold on something she's really passionate about.
Also sorry but editors don't do fucking shit nowadays except approve and sometimes dictate story direction. Look how full of errors most books are, they can't even be bothered to proof read their output.
>>81028812
I hope not. Hickman works best in a focused corner. When he is given universal control, thats when he fucks up. His FF run was fantastic. It was only when he got his arms around the entire Marvel universe that he bit off more than he could chew. If he was just given the LoSH to play with, an IP I believe he is very vocal about his love for, I'd like to believe it'd be incredible.
>>81025918
>Maybe this is why the new exclusives are only allowed to work for DC and Vertigo.
Except Scott Snyder has work at Image
>>81028873
Except Tynion's Batman/TMNT is better than anything Bennet has ever done.
>>81028531
>>81028812
Tom Brevoort retweeted it so it probably is a joke.
>>81028939
LONG LIVE LEGION!
>>81028927
He's not one of the new exclusives
DC publicly announced like 6 or 7 exclusives and most or all of them can only work at DC and Vertigo.
>>81028945
>yfw it's not and Brevoort is just putting his snarkiness for two seconds to support his friend
>>81028939
LONG LIVE LEGION!
>>81028937
Yeah, I didn't mean that Bennet has shown that yet, just that I think she has the potential to do something good given the right subject. Bunn's Sinestro is fantastic too.
So, when will we hear about creatives?
>>81029234
Saturday at DC's Wondercon panel
>>81029234
Saturday, some news might leak early but I wouldn't count on it
Also, what do you think Orlando's next book will be? I think he'd actually do a great Suicide Squad.
>>81029309
rob williams is on suicide squad
>>81028873
>That lesbian insect vore thing she's doing isn't bad, either.
It is super bad.
>>81029309
nightwing nigga
he has to write midnighter in something
>>81029309
People are thinking nightwing but who knows, he's dc exclusive so he's probably doing at least
>>81029309
I want him on something unexpected
>>81029309
I want Orlando on Shazam. Johns is never gonna get around to it and Orlando's Darkseid War issue was pretty good.
>>81029441
Would anything really be surprising? He did the Shazam JL tie-in and that's not really like the books people are suggesting him on (though I didn't like his Billy tbqh, too on the nose).
>>81029359
I've been curious about his Suicide Squad. Is it good?
>>81029515
He's not writing it now, he's writing it for Rebirth.
New Suicide Squad as been pretty good since Convergence though.
>>81028531
>https://twitter.com/JHickman/status/712741037807116290
I have wanted this for years.
If you were to take his Avengers run and replace it with LoSH, it would have been infinitely better.
>>81029505
they should just give parker and shaner shazam after future quest ends
>>81029309
Orlando's apparently a rabid JSA fan.
I feel weird saying this about any wrtier, but I'd be cool with him writing either JSA or a new version of Stormwatch.
>>81029434
I think he would do a good nightwing as well. Although, my personal pick would be that he does GA. Just because I think he'd do a fantastic run.
>>81029681
I'd be down with anyone writing the old jsa
DC please
>>81029555
>New Suicide Squad as been pretty good since Convergence though.
Agreed. Seeleycide Squad is a treat.
>>81028698
>And the Becky Cloonan/Gerard Way Doom Patrol book will be a flagship title for the imprint
I would literally suck a dick for this
>>81029026
Brevoort loves Captain Marvel to a point he denies that Carol is the real one. What if Hickman is doing that?
>>81029684
pretty sure Ben Percy is gonna be on Green Arrow still. He's writing the book as if he's still got storylines to wrap up.
I like that he brought back liberal ollie but like i don't get it. he's not using the mythos lemire built up except for emiko and fyff. This is a weird thing with GA writers where they either try to build mythology sacrificing characterization or build characterization sacrificing mythology
>>81029681
>Orlando writing Authority/Stormwatch over at Vertigo
>>81029511
I dunno, I haven't seen anybody suggest a GL book or something like Superwoman or Supergirl
>>81030019
I still think Superwoman is an E3 book spinning out of Darkseid War
>>81030049
That's retarded.
>>81030392
anything else seems like too fringe of a concept
>>81030392
Waifufags, what else to say.
>>81030480
Not really.
>>81030496
Why would anyone waifu Superwoman? Awful shit taste right there.
>>81030480
They're just creating a new female superhero or repurposing an old character into a new female superhero a la Batwoman.
where do I send my pitch for a Klarion book?
>>81030535
Luma Lynai.
>>81030564
Into the trash. Nocenti's was pretty decent and barely made it 5 issues, there's no way they're giving him another try for years.
>>81030740
Maybe if Nocenti hadn't shit the bed so badly with Catwoman and Green Arrow people would've been more willing to check out her other books.
>>81026769
Her mainline DC work's been crap.
>>81026948
>But how is he doing Diana and Steve considering how he ended it with her dumping his ass and being a bitch to him every chance she got?
Few key moments. They see Barda/Scott and realize that you can have a relationship even when life is full of danger.
Then when they think they are going to die Steve kinda just says something like "Hey, just so you know, I love you". And she responds "I don't love superman" and gives him a look.
>>81027634
>kangas
What?
>>81031163
Kangas
Kangaroos
Does biweekly mean we will get trades every 3 months?
>>81031294
Probably more like 4-6 months
But yeah we should get trades faster
>>81031163
get away from me you filthy casual
>>81029505
>Orlando's Darkseid War issue was pretty good.
No it wasn't. It was pretty middling
>>81031353
Awesome. As a new ready I think my groove is to pirate issues as they come out and buy what I like in trades.
The only book I'd pull is something containing Red!Wally as I want to show my support for the character.
>>81031421
Luckily for you the only book we know for certain has Red!Wally is TT:E1 Vol2 which is an OGN.
>>81031456
OGN?
I'm wondering where Wally ends up as the rebirth poster teaser 1 seemingly showed a speedster with an open cowl (kid flash constume).
I'd like to think Impulse keeps his costume, Wally gets the open cowl and Barry gets the Flash costume.
>>81031456
Which is written by Lemire and the first volume was already mediocre as fuck
>>81031515
Original Graphic Novel. It means straight to trade.
Nah, if the latest Rebirth teaser was a hint Black Wally is sticking around with the cowl, Bart(hopefully not Bar-Torr) has the open cowl and Barry has the cowl as well.
>>81031570
I don't know where you're getting the hint that's specifically black Wally. It's probably some kind of Barry or Wally though. I wouldn't be surprised if they just trash everything Flash at this point. It's such a mess. Even the villains are fucked up.
>>81031725
I'm hoping they take Venditti off of Flash. And I like some of his other work.
>>81031725
Wally is currently younger than Bart so it seems a given.
The Flash in the latest teaser is also the same size as Damian and Jon Kent
>>81031421
As someone who's been reading for roughly a decade, this is what I do and it works great. I've been suckered into buying some floppies for series I really like. Don't do it, it's such a leech on your money and it feels bad double dipping on trades which are just much better in the long run.
So after reading Superman Lois and Clark I think we can confirmJon Kent.The kid got his powers this issue.
>>81028531
not sure if want
>>81031766
Jensen is gone at least so hopefully he is too
>>81031769
I think the size is debatable because he's crouched down, but in the silver age he had a smaller version of Barry's costume early on so if they're redoing his origin it wouldn't be crazy if that cowled one is indeed him along with the other kids.
So the guy on the far right is holding his gun in hand as far as I can tell because the holster doesn't have it.
I'm still going with Blue Beetle and his BB gun since Deathstroke typically has more tacticool shit going on
>Vertigo rebirth
Just please leave Astro City the fuck out of all of this mess.
>>81028531
please no
>>81032124
Vertigo won't get a proper Rebirth like DC, they'll just kickstart a bunch of books into action prolly.
>>81031801
I was originally paying for digital, and then trades. But it felt dirty and I was unable to get all issues digitally (e.g. old silver age stuff).
>>81028939
LONG LIVE THE LEGION
LONG LIVE THE LEGION
LONG LIVE THE LEGION
>>81032151
I think they'll push for more than creator owned stuff on there, like the 90s.
How do I write a Vertigo book
it's time for a West coast millennial invasion
