How do we make the X-men franchise great again /co/?
>>80973414
just pretend the last 30-40 years never happened and stick with the best x-men
>>80973414
I miss Claremont
>>80973414
Remove the minorities and faggots
make X-men white and great again
>>80973483
>X-men comics are so crap today that fans say this unironically.
Back to basics approach
Writer & artist team left alone to make good comics
Other X books can reference each other, but lay off crossovers for a time
Create and develop new characters
So in short it will never happen enjoy in a year or two where we get another evil Magneto story or a new Phoenix plot
let Remender do what he wanted to do
>>80973577
Drown in hobo piss?
>>80973414
Develop the new characters. Don't créate new ones or try to get back the ones that left or died, develop all the ones that are still here.
> Nobody will let a writer and an artist […] function on their own without supervision anymore and the shame with that, I think, is that you lose potential for inspiration and excitement and unexpected wonder
Claremont on modern editorial
http://www.xplainthexmen.com/2016/03/100-unexpected-wonder-with-chris-claremont/
>>80973791
>it's a podcast
>>80973483
No you don't.
You think you do, but man do you not want him back. Because he HAS come back. Twice. And gotten worse each time.
First we murder new Jean Gray.
We need a temporary ban on mutie's entering the country
Different universe from the rest of Marvel.
No Inhumans and all other super powered or costumed people are rarer. Mutants making up the bulk of the powered costumed people.
In the non xmen books. Only a few mutants exist and no Xmen, Brotherhood, other other mutant groups ever existed. the whole mutant allegory/metaphor hated plot doesn't exist either.
Rightclops comes back to U8 as the new Pheonix force and Emma Frost is the new Pheonix so they can be together again.
Because why the fuck not, it'd be a better story than old man logan, bitchy storm, or the same 5 kids being written badly
>>80973414
Stop making it so that they can't go 2 years without all the mutants everywhere getting genocided. A threat stops being a threat when you do it, and a threat is more effective for story purposes than having to undo and redo wiping out mutants every other storyline.
Stop writing every character badly.
Stop making every story stupid infighting bullshit.
Just fucking give up because what's the goddamn point at this point. They've been poisoned to the core by a decade of delibrate character assassination.
>>80973609
Is this a thing? I bet after resuscitation the human body feels ready to take on the world.
Develop the characters that haven't been around for 35 or more years. Stop fucking around with the ones who have, and let them vanish to do other shit or be happy with normal lives. Stop making up new mutants to kill or ignore in a year's time. Stop pushing the "mutant hatred" angle because it just does not work with the larger Marvel Universe.
Take the success of Deadpool as a sign that X-Men were always intended to be the Rated R Avengers and produce films and comics that are more politically edgy without mocking edginess, don't default to over sexualization unless that's the point of one of the stories.
When I watched The Counselor I kept on getting flashbacks of the X-men hiding out in the wastelands and ghost towns of Australia while under a ghost spell.
Give them back to Bendis
>Reboot the X-Men Universe.
>They are now in their own reality/earth.
>Humans and mutants, no other villains/heroes.
>X-Men are a government task force to police the world; work for UN.
>Xavier Institute is like Westpoint.
>Brotherhood is like ISIS/other terrorists orgs.
>Keep the staff fresh, rotate people in and out.
>Keep the continuity in check and consistent.
>No time travel/space shenanigans for a long while.
>No. Fucking. Phoenix. Shit.
>Bring the X-Men world up to date for 2016. Keep the human/mutie fear, alienation, etc.
>New stories, new histories, new romances, etc.
>Launch with 5/6 titles.
>X-Men; follows the core cast, small team, big stories.
>X-Men are the heroic side of being heroes.
>X-Force; follows a rouge cast, small team, violent stories.
>X-Force are the silent, dirty operations side of things.
>Xavier Institute; follows an expanded, younger cast.
>Xavier Institute is the life of teens trying to become X-Men.
>Wolverine.
>It makes money. Follow Wolverine from his beginning or start at Weapon X.
>Brotherhood; follows the core cast, rotating members, big stories.
>Brotherhood deals with the ideals of mutants being superior and whatnot.
>>80975112
Also, 6th book could be a tongue and cheek take on the X-Files.. Called.. X-Dossier or some shit where one human, one mutant, go around solving mysterious mutant activity and getting into all sorts of bigger conspiracies.
>>80975112
>>Reboot
Wow I'm surprised you don't already work for the Big Two with such groundbreaking ideas
>>80973483
Did you hear him on the xplainthexmen podcast?
The guy is STILL MAD over the jean/scott/madelyn thing
>>80973563
>Create and develop new characters
Yes, but the Xmen need more antagonists, not another generation of x-babies.
>>80975289
He should be, it's one of the worst cases of meddling I can think of in the industry.
>>80975262
The X-Men, as a whole, are begging to be rebooted and treated like the great characters they are. Modern Marvel has been shitting on them for years now and with their corporate push to make the books fall in line with live-action, it only makes sense to reboot, push the X brand into it's own universe, and tell wonderfully crafted stories without the larger Marvel universe interfering and vice-versa.
>>80973414
1) Get good writers to write X-Men books, not 2nd tier "we didn't know where else to put them" like Hopeless
2) Let the X-Men line have looser editorial control in terms of story - if even Bendis (King of Marvel(TM)) couldn't tell the stories he wanted to, imagine what it must be like for writers with less pull. If somebody has a cool new idea let them try it. The X-Men at their best were always experimental.
3) An absolute moratorium for a generation or more of the following stories:
>Mutants are on the verge of extinction due to literally any reason you spent half a decade telling that story, then we had a few years where you laid off and now again GOD FUCKING DAMMIT MARVEL
>Fucking Schism shit, everyone instead gets the chance to do remotely heroic deeds and not just punch each other over hypocritical bullshit
>Xavier did evil shit in his past, everyone is shocked, everyone shuns him for a bit
>Xavier dies/regains his legs/loses his legs
>Any version of Jean has anything to do with the Phoenix
>X-Men from the past come to the present and fucking stay forever
>X-Men from the future come and they're just kids of the current batch (as opposed to actual new mutants like Bishop)
This is 6 guidelines, not even that restrictive, but it would help get writers to actually THINK about new ideas instead of rehashing the same 6 plots.
>>80975363
>without the larger Marvel universe interfering and vice-versa.
The Heroic Age was Marvel laying off the constant events and it was horrible for sales, so they'll just keep up with event fatigue because no matter how much people complain it's still the thing that sells the most.
>>80975316
>not another generation of x-babies.
But then who will they kill in the next big crossover to show how SRS BUZNIS things are?
Get the old characters offstage. Let them move on for christsakes and leave all the misery behind the way Claremont tried to do for Scott in the 80's. Let some of the best quality X-kids going back to Morrison step up on stage and form a new team.
Most important, though? Make it one book. Ship twice monthly or whatever, (they basically do that with Deadpool and a handful of other books anyway), have a couple different artists working on slightly different rosters, but start TRYING NEW THINGS. Jesus fucking Christ the books are in a feedback loop at this point. I cannot honestly believe that Marvel is basically trying to recreate 2006 again with the new Decimation and new Civil War stuff. Can't we try something new?
Claremont was NEW. Morrison was NEW. Gillen was NEW. Remender was NEW.
They pushed the characters into fascinating new places and introduced characters and ideas that felt vital. That's the X-Men.
>>80975545
>Gillen was NEW
Then Bendis came in like a bad cover band
> here's my Day's of Future Past story
> here's my Trial of Jean Grey story
> here's my Legion story
>>80975545
"There should be one book total" is possibly the most idiotic of all suggestions.
BUILD TRANS-DIMENSIONAL WALL
>>80975619
So you enjoy watered-down shit like All-New? One book would mean that Marvel could contain a franchise they clearly consider toxic while also allowing a writer or writer(s) to do impactful stuff along the line of late 70's Claremont.
>>80975469
The dozens upon dozens of X-characters they created during the early 90s.
>>80975402
I had this idea of a Jean Grey book that had her absolutely terrified that the Phoenix might return to possess her again.
>>80975849
>The dozens upon dozens of X-characters they created during the early 90s
Most of them are dead or depowered by now. They've had a lot of crossovers by this point.
>>80973414
Put them in their own universe/alternate earth. You can still have crossovers like any other alt timeline.
>>80975289
It fucked up a lot shit
>>80975849
> start event by murdering all the MLF characters
Move them out of 616, put an indefinite moratorium on mutant genocide events.
616 continuity has nothing to offer the X-Men anymore except restrictions.
I haven't been reading X-Men stuff since I left in the middle on Bendis' run (some time after that arc of WHO'S SENDING THE SENTINELS IS IT YOU SHIELD? ended with NVM IT WAS AN EVIL BEAST FROM AN ALTERNATE DIMENSION THAT WAS HITHERTO UNMENTIONED IN THIS STORYLINE), so I have no idea what the fuck is going on. How did Bendis end his run? What's happening now?
>>80975835
It's patently idiotic to containment zone the X-Men to a single book when if anything, they are already grossly underutilized.
>>80975289
Well it ruined three characters and almost everything to do with them for the next 30 years.
>>80976034
>How did Bendis end his run? What's happening now?
Sit down for thisTime travel made none of it matter then Secret Wars
>>80973414
They need another visionary who isn't interested in rehashing the stories of past but wants to create new ones.
like Claremont in the 70s and 80s or Morrison in 00s
BUT THIS TIME DON'T FUCK THEM OVER.
They just had to chase away Hickman.....
>>80973414
>Focus on good X-men and don't introduce shitty new ones
>don't make Beast a dick
>keep their powers in check (not everyone is a fucking psychic Bendis)
>don't make Cyclops a dick
As a big fix I would say a hard reboot. And while its working for the Avengers due to its writers (Mostly, Waid and Ewing's books are good) bring back a core team. I would even accept a hard core Crisis style reboot
But most of all BRING BACK PROF X!!
The teams are lost without his center and guidance. Im actually a little shocked they have not brought him back
>>80976034
>How did Bendis end his run?
Scott achieved peace between mutantkind and humanity in a way Charles Xavier would have been proud of.
>What's happening now?
Hahaha pranked! Scott showing the world they have nothing to fear from mutants just emboldened humanity to now openly throw rocks at mutants like rabid savages! PS all mutants have been rendered sterile by Inhuman AIDS
>>80976170
>Im actually a little shocked they have not brought him back
Well characters can't shit all over Cyclops if the man he murdered is walking ( or wheeling ) around
>>80976170
He's a stagnant, dead end character. He's Dead For Real because there's nothing left to do with him.
>>80976088
Agreed about hiring a visionary. Bendis was not a good fit for the book.
Hickman id agree would be better on the X-Men but his slow storytelling can be annoying at times in books that demand action. But he's a disciple of Morrison and when hes good hes really good.
>>80976170
Chuck has 3 states of existence
Crippled
Walking
Dead
I find a lot of X-men's supporting cast are too much a product of the nineties (pic related) and don't really fit the 'look' of the modern mainstream 616 marvel.
>>80976221
Pfft Scott Summers got shit on when Professor X was alive
>>80976236
Perhaps. But the same could be said for Reed Richards in the FF or Captain America in the Avengers but it seems that when the teams are missing those characters then something is missing from the book.
You know what people love these days?
Gays. Lots and lots of Gays. Capitol fucking G Gays.
You take Iceman, the twink version not the otter bod version, and you put him in charge of a new time. Hell, throw Anole in there two, cause what's better than one Gay than two Gays.
So you got these two Gay characters, and a bunch of other C-listers, and here's what you do.
You listenin'?
Alright, you make them go on crazy, fun filled adventures, fight demons and robots and shit, maybe even have some dimension hopping where they go to a different universe where Captain America is a lady with great big patriotic tits or something, it doesn't matter, just do crazy fun shit like that.
Then, and this is the important part, you bring back a recently dead fan favorite character that's been off the pages for a while, like Mettle or that one asshole. At the same time one of the team members who started this group has to leave for some reason, whatever it doesn't matter, but this new not-so-dead character takes their place. Do this two more times till there are some not-mutant-but-looks-mutant characters on the team. Suddenly you've got a new gateway to non-Mutant stories.
And above all, and this is important, you don't make any of the characters sexuality their defining character trait. Iceman happens to be gay? Who cares, he likes ice puns and dinosaurs or some shit.
Oh, and fanservice, ungodly amounts of fanservice.
>>80973414
Roll back to when Morrison's run ended and House of M not happen and place the X-Men in their own universe.
Only problem is all the good writers(IMO anyway) left Marvel and seem to want nothing to do with going back.
>>80973483
His comics were good for the era he was from, but the game has changed and left him in the dust.
>>80973577
What did he want to do?
>>80976394
Take the X-Men into space to escape the T-gen cloud and basically say fuck you earth.
Which would have been different.
>>80976374
There was literally a "Kitty and Magik BFF demon slaying road trip" flash forward in that issue of X-Men's last run when The Watcher was taking a steaming dump on Beast's face for all the happy futures for the X-Men his fuckery had destroyed.
Ok here are my thoughts.
>be done with this fucking inhuman disease bullshit.
>GET RID OF ORIGINAL CAST OUT OF TIME TEEN X-MEN
>age up some of the young teenage mutants by a few years and begin having them head lining the some of the x-men teams.
>id have an uncanny x-men focused on dealing with human mutant shit designed to be the public face of mutants led by storm and having a roster of Iceman, Surge, Pixie, Rockslide, and Dust. A few oldies, a few newbies.
>We get 'x-men' who are more focused on dealing with their own. Brotherhood of mutants, magneto, mr. sinister etc. Lead by Rogue with a roster composed of x-23 (wolverine), colossus, nightcrawler, hellion, and armor.
>we have Academy x or some comic title which picks up the school side of things. Here is where you can introduce new mutants and have the staff be made up typically of Emma Frost and beast as the two focal teachers (maybe have beast not be a disreputable asshole) as well as moonstar, and karma
>x-force team doing x-force shit made up of psylocke in the lead with, Domino, the stepford cuckoos, Sabretooth, and hijack.
>xfactor is where we do something a little different. the idea of a for the money beloved celebrity x group. Playing up the status of being a mutant and on the verge of going bad. We have this headed up by Quentin Quire, and a roster of Doctor Nemesis, a repowered 'tattoo', oya, and graymalkin.
Might seem to have a lack of old timers but thats the idea. Change shit up, focus on upcoming x-men. Introduce new bad guys. Stop butting into non mutant bullshit. No unity squad.
>>80976577
oh forgot, also have magik on x-force to round shit out.
>>80976512
>The Watcher was taking a steaming dump on Beast's face for all the happy futures for the X-Men his fuckery had destroyed.
Dude's entire shtick is interfering when he's not supposed to but he can't be assed to actually stop Beast before he went back in time? Instead he takes the time to shit on Beast for doing what Doctor Doom does all the time.
>>80976631
BENDIS!
>>80976067
>>80976174
Sounds awful.
My idea for a new direction for X-Men would be having mutants finally achieving full de jure legal equality with humans, with no more persecution by governments or Sentinel programmes and whatnot.
It would kind of explore de facto inequality and discrimination. Like, they are equal on paper, but not really. Small things, like people still treating them like shit, to large things, like every institution being built for humans instead of mutants. Like, if you're a mutant with unique physiology and unique health concerns that stem from that, your employer's healthcare doesn't work for any of that.
I could see Beast being the person who would try to change that stuff by working through the system with governments and policymakers and stuff. Then there would be other mutants who are more strident and don't think reformism works.
Beyond that backdrop, it would just be back-to-basics superhero stuff with X-Men villains and aliens and whatnot.
Also, it feels like it'd be cool to have a series set in the near future where all the current X-kids are grown up. Quentin Quire as leader of the X-Men, characters like Idie and Tempus and stuff there.
>>80973414
Bring back Yost, give him the reins, keep your fingers crossed.
>>80976947
Didn't he have a falling out with Marvel? Or was that Kyle?
>>80977003
Must've been Kyle, Yost worked on the second Thor movie.
Bring back Cyke. Put him back in charge. Let the X-men stay hating on him but he takes zero shit and watch the magic happen.
>>80977003
>>80977115
Kyle and Yost wrote the first script for Thor 3 before they brought on some nobody to re-write it with Taika Watitit.
>>80973414
We cast Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool.
>>80973414
Start over and focus on the original 7
Make at least 3 new schools spread the mutants there so that the Xavier school doesnt feel so cramped
Stop the liberal leftist victim complex
They are basically gods
>>80977903
>Stop the liberal leftist victim complex
>>80977903
>Stop the liberal leftist victim complex
Great, you're gonna make some pussies cry with that one.
I like it.
>>80976051
It send the entire franchise slowly spiralling out of control and it never recovered.
>>80975363
>it only makes sense to reboot, push the X brand into it's own universe, and tell wonderfully crafted stories
Yeah, but Marvel has zero good writers left that I would entrust with an X-Men reboot. If they did it right now, it would just lead to them digging an even deeper hole for the franchise.
>>80975112
So you just hate X-Men and want the most streamlined, watered down experience possible?
Gotcha.
More Colossus. No more Illyana.
>>80975835
No, what that does is cut down all the cool and unique side-line titles only to put one book into place that will get editorially meddled into absolute mediocrity or worse.
Main line titles have rarely ever been good since the 90s ended.
I mean that's already pretty much what happened right now. You basically proposed here that Extraordinary X-Men should be the only X-book right now. The problem is, you can't just magic that one book by one randomly appointed writer to be good.
>>80976170
>The teams are lost without his center and guidance.
That's the whole point. It's way more interesting to see them going on on their own, figuring things out and making decissions for themselves.
MORE FEMINISM!!
AND TEENS! MAKE THEM ALL BLACK TEENS!!!
MAKE ONE WHO WASNT GAY BEFORE GAY
>>80973470
>No Morrison
>No Whedon
>No Gillen
Please, admit you don't read comics.
>>80973514
6/10 made me respond
>>80974708
>>80975112
Marvel stop it, we won't buy this ever. It's clearly false, mutants are no different from other groups in Marvel Universe, this is just movie shilling. The day Marvel gets the right back everyone who thinks like this will magically disappear.
My ideas:
>Stop shitting fans because MUH RIGHTS. (this works good even for Fantastic Four)
>Make editor useful giving them full time continuity corrections on Bendis works and letting X-Men writers alone.
>Cyclops back.
>Closing this T-Mist storyline as soon as possible.
>More space to new characters without forgetting the older ones.
>>80973483
Have Fox make an R-rated X-Men movie filled with Claremont fetishes.
>>80973414
remove the endangered species bullcrap.
stop treating mutants as a metaphor for discriminated minority.
there, solved.
oh, and go back to the basic of people born with mutations being mutants. and new mutations will always appear because that's how it goes, so removing x-genes or killing all living mutants or whatever will only delay the inevitable.
>>80973414
Tell Marvel to stop sabotaging it. Like that'll work.
>>80978894
Not him, but
>morrison
Just admit you started recently.
>>80979235
But it used to work because Claremont kept his fetishes under the radar.
>>80973414
I want to get rid of human hate and make superpower shenanigan like Diamond is unbreakable
Or just ask Akira to take over entire X-men
>>80979237
Like seriously, Why did they have it that there could be new mutants after so long just to make them endangered again?
>>80975849
>Let's center the entire book on the most overused plot point of the character, what could go wrong?!
If you want to do a Jean book, make it like a team up book featuring all of Scott and Jean's alternative timeline kids. Jean, Scott, Nate, Cable, Rachel and Ruby going on a family trip and getting lost in the multiverse, Exiles style. Add Madelyn to the roster for more social awkwardness.
We separate it from the rest of the Marvel universe
>>80979313
>morrison is bad
apex tryhard
go masturbate to Cerebus
Make Cannonball the new team leader.
>>80979865
mutants prejudice collapses when there are no viable alternatives for when you need supers
>>80979506
>Why did they have it that there could be new mutants after so long just to make them endangered again?
because getting the rights back from Fox is worth a mere decade of crappy stories
>>80979313
>But it used to work because Claremont kept his fetishes under the radar.
Well I don't know about that. Most of the stuff tended to go over your head simply because you were still a small kid when you read the stories but by the time you got to a bazillioneth mind control story with slave motif, even the dumb kids were all "wtf is up with all these same basic plot premises opping up constantly."
Stop the same old boring human oppressing mutants storylines
>>80976236
Then turn him into a guidance counselor at the school who only does support character shit because he's depower to a fraction of his former self and he chose to "retire". Make him Red Tornado type mentor for a teenage team book as the begrudging elder character who feels entirely lost by today's youth but tries to still guide them and teach them ethics based on his own personal failings.
Why do everybody just want to kill and defile his character/legacy by retconning more damning shit to his past? Why not just let him be a teacher for kids? Shit, you could ship him off to another mutant school if he can't live near Scott/Ororo and defy their leadership just by existing.
>>80979848
Add Emma. And make them cross Magneto's family in the same situation - we all know Wanda and Quicksilver will be retconned back to being his kids soon.
>>80973414
Give cyke a gun and take away his powers.
Do it!
>>80973514
>Original X-men are all white
>Series gets cancelled after 12 pages
>New x-men have a black girl, a canadian and a furfag
>It becomes the best selling comic of all time
Stormblr needs to stop posting.
>>80979898
...I don't even know what I'm supposed to fap to, there.
But morrison's run was objectively the worse I've read. I admit I haven't bothered with bendis' and didn't see much from austen's. You may like it, good on you, but it doesn't fit too well with the stories before or after it.
>>80979848
>make it like a team up book featuring all of Scott and Jean's alternative timeline kids
Wasn't that basically called X-Men?
>>80979848
>Add Madelyn to the roster for more social awkwardness.
I kinda wanna see her again, maybe sort of redeemed. Re-reading some of the old stuff, I feel bad for how things went for her.
>>80979903
DIdn't they try that at some point?
>>80979956
It used to be worked well enough into the story that i didn't matter much. Wasn't IN YOUR FACE like in that more recent San Francisco run... was that matt fraction?
>>80980028
>Why do everybody just want to kill and defile his character/legacy by retconning more damning shit to his past?
I know they already did that to Xavier before, but it's like in the last 10 years or so Marvel decreed any characters with a IQ over 100 have to be douches with dozens of skeletons retconned into their closets.
