>/co/ suddenly hates the FOGGSTER
Why?
Because he was just a whiny bitch this season. Karen's subplot was at least somewhat relevant to the plot with some interaction with other characters, Foggy was literally just there to bitch at Matt.
Big whiny baby. Beta that gets pushed to do hopeless Castle case. Mary Sue does all cases perfect and everyone things is amazing. Gets cucked by Matt with Page.
I haven't finished the season yet but he had pretty legitimate reasons to be furious at Matt 2 b h.
/co/ is incapable of handling side characters that disagree with the lead.
Literally every single show that has support characters who don't agree with what the lead does has a wave of people screaming "FUCKING WHINY CUNT" over and over. Apparently their ideal is a show where no matter what the main character does all their friends and allies agree with every single choice.
>>80949751
I don't, he was right. Matt was a dickhead from beginning to end.
I recall /co/ hating him last season 2.
/co/ having shit taste isn't a new development.
>>80949775
>Foggy was literally just there to bitch at Matt
And do all the lawyering that Matt is too good for. You got responsibilities Matt.
>>80949817
This
>Constantly in Matt's shadow, but also relies on him to handle most of the public proceedings in court
>In court, Matt agrees to do the opening, so he doesn't have one prepped
>Matt never shows until part way through
>Has to deliver the opening himself
>Matt's association with Elecktra fucks up their cross-examination
>Matt constantly letting Foggy down
>Foggy learns that he can be a pretty competent lawyer when he stands on his own two feet
>Why should he have to be in a partnership where he has to deal with the costs and liabilities of his partner when he is the only one doing anything
That being said, as someone who has spoken in front of a judge, Foggy's opening started as a cringe, but damn the man delivered when he got off his notes.
>>80949751
Awful actor and annoying character.
>>80949882
>2
I have no idea why I typed 2 instead of too.
>>80949789
>Mary Sue does all cases perfect and everyone things is amazing
He did good on one case and thats all we've seen
fuck off
>>80949751
Foggy did nothing wrong. Matt should have found a way to balance his Daredevil identity with his job, instead of letting Elektra get him wrapped around her finger.
>>80949830
No. The first season had supporting characters that were part sympathetic and part afraid/angry/etc at what he was doing. This season was just a non-stop "take a dump on Matt." That's fine to a point, but over the course of 13 episodes? There should have been an evolution in these relationships that wasn't "I'm not your friend anymore" or if they had to go that route, pull the trigger on it faster and show us the fallout rather than saving it up for another season.
>>80949902
Word, characters who call the MC out on their shit arefaggots
>>80949751
>suddenly
People were hating him in season one too, broheim.
>>80949751
Baaaaad actor. Fuck me, nigga.
>>80949882
>>80949830
It's /tv/ posters.
His subplot just wasn't interesting. A lot of the subplots and character arcs weren't really, but his especially. This season felt like half a season dragged out into a full one with Foggy and Karen serving up the filler.
>>80949751
long hair looks bad, especially on fat characters
>>80949923
>There should have been an evolution in these relationships that wasn't "I'm not your friend anymore"
You mean Matt pushing Foggy into a no-win case that was guaranteed to destroy their film and then refusing to work on it so he could hang out with his girlfriend?
Or Matt refusing to tell Karen the truth about literally anything while she was dealing with problems of her own?
This isn't some sort of Felicity-tier "OLIVERRRR" shit, he's the reason the firm collapsed.
>>80949923
>This season was just a non-stop "take a dump on Matt."
Good, because throughout the whole season Matt made every single bad decision possible.
>>80950004
I mean something that's interesting for the viewers to watch. Did you seriously enjoy the hundredth scene of Foggy yelling at Matt for not doing his job? No shit Matt fucked up, but at a certain point I just don't care about the drama anymore. Which IS the problem with Arrow and CW drama in general, so yes, I would say it's damn close to Felicity-tier.
>>80949965
I feel like Foggy had a more interesting side-plot than Matt this season. Electra and the limbs wasn't as cool as Foggy stepping up to the plate and lawyering some shit up.
>>80950048
It was bargain-bin TV show version of lawyering though. I'd rather watch How to Get Away with Murder's hot mess of a butchering of lawyering than "we found a clue, the case is solved!"
>>80950048
>Foggy gets to have actual skills of his own and use them for his own storyline
>Karen gets to do shit outside the orbit of Foggy and Matt
It's not that hard TV to do decent side characters TV writers, it really isn't.
>>80950029
>Did you seriously enjoy the hundredth scene of Foggy yelling at Matt for not doing his job?
Did you seriously enjoy the thousandth scene of Matt yelling at someone for making a desicion differently than he would?
>>80949917
But muh city, the one shot to save it from the Yakuza, and muh throbbing devil's pitchfork for that woman
>>80950070
Funny enough, they must have had a consultant, because outside of a couple of moments during the court proceedings, most of how they did stuff in and out of the courtroom and a lot of the legal jargon was pretty accurate.
>>80949936
Why so butthurt?
>>80949889
>Has to deliver the opening himself
Objectively wrong. Try watching next time. Judge literally asks right before if he wants to do the opening later.
>>80949958
/co/ is /tv/
>>80949886
>>80949817
>>80949917
>>80950004
This season turned Matt into an absolute prick. Foggy is bro-tier and Karen is probably a sex goddess.
The more I watched, the more pissed off I was at Matt.
>>80950161
If you know the legal system at all, you would know why that would be the wrong move to make, especially when against an attorney as vicious as Reyes was, who would have found loopholes to continue to screw you over.
At most, I would have asked for about 5 minutes to prepare. But to delay an opening, in front of a jury, a crowd, and everyone else. It does not give a good impression of your advocacy skills.
>>80949751
>>/co/ suddenly hates the FOGGSTER
That's not true, I didn't see...
>>80949775
>Because he was just a whiny bitch this season
>>80949789
>Big whiny baby
>>80949902
>Awful actor and annoying character.
What the fuck?
/co/ is fucking killing me. Does a character feature a single flaw and they will blew it up out of proportion.
And if it has non, they will complain it's a Mary sue.
Fuck this world.
>>80950213
Maybe if his character involved anything beyond that flaw. To me this comes back to the biggest problem of the season: Setting up too much for next season and forgetting to make this season as good as possible. There's been build up to Foggy's jealousy of Matt/Karen's relationship for both seasons now with no payoff. He even almost confronts them about it and then the show just drops it. I fully expect this'll be brought up next season now that Matt and Karen are going to have tons more drama, but why did they wait all season to do this and drag us through these plodding arcs instead of delivering? So now we've seen Foggy develop as his own lawyer and break up his friendship with Matt. Great, is that it?
Netflix is getting too comfy knowing its shows are critical successes and Marvel's playing too much of the waiting game setting up for things later to come in the universe. It's time to just do the storylines people want to see and deliver great content rather than slowly dripping out pieces of average material.
>>80950213
Shut up, you fat fuck.
>>80950298
>Maybe if his character involved anything beyond that flaw.
Except Foggie is awesome and got the back of Matt most of the time.
>>80949830
This.
i get some of it when it comes to the whiny shits in arrow. Cos they are like bitchy soap opera characters.
But yeah even in season 1 everyone is all about hating on karen and foggy.
i honestly think for the majority of /co/ to like a side character in one of these shows they need to be constantly on their knees worshipping the ground the brave hero walks when he risks his life every night for these ungrateful shits.
'but why dont they understand he risks his life every night?'
because its fucking drama folks. if everyone just agreed and was okay with the heroes actions itd be nothing but the good guy punching people and would get old as fuck quick as fuck. its one of the methods of creating conflict and giving side characters a reason for existing that isnt just agreeing with the hero or googling shit for him or some nonsense when they arent busy getting kidnapped.
>>80950298
>There's been build up to Foggy's jealousy of Matt/Karen's relationship for both seasons now with no payoff.
Except there hasn't. HE was always more like the protective brother than anything and his fear that this kind of relationship might hurt their business. His thing was more with Marcie.
It's actually nice for once to have a relationship that isn't build around sex and Foggie and Karen have that.
Not everything has to be a fucking love triangle.
>>80950398
there is essentially one conversation in season 2 that doesnt have foggy bitching at matt at some point. from conversation one foggy is going on consistently about his problems with matts choices.
And i really like foggy, but it was a poor choice in the writing to have him constantly up his ass.
Is it not possible that Foggy is on Matt constantly because he's afraid that he's going to be hurt?
>>80950428
The fact that you can't see Foggy wants Karen is retarded. Marcie even comments on it.
>>80949751
>filename
kek
>>80950429
>there is essentially one conversation in season 2 that doesnt have foggy bitching at matt at some point
Every time Foggie was bitching, it was justified. None of his bitching should be hold against him.
He did everything he could to keep the Nelson and Murdock ship sailing.
>>80949751
Everything about him went into decline. Proved to be a shit actor playing a poorly written character.
>>80950204
Yeah, I was especially pissed off when Foggy tried to have a conversation about taking a break from the office to rethink priorities, and Matt just said "Nah, just scrap the whole firm, because I'm not gonna be able to manage my responsibilities, and you should just move on without me," when it's clear that's not what Foggy wanted at all, he wanted to stop for a while so that they wouldn't have any more screw ups while Matt was figuring out his shit.
>>80950454
Yeah it makes sens thats why hes always on matt constantly. most folks aren't arguing there isn't any logic to it. but it making sense in a logical way isn't really the point. the issue is that despite his worrying making sense, it hurts the story because it makes every single interaction about how pissy foggy is with matt.
Again entirely justified in universe. Foggy having an issue with alot of Matts bullshit is totally reasonable whether or not any of us would act that way. But when you have 13 episodes and there are maybe four or five conversations between the 'best friends' on the show that don't involve one of them giving the other one shit every time...that kinda fucks up the attempt at showing these two are best friends. and it makes the break up at the end a little pointless. I mean who gives a shit considering as far as this season is concerned they didn't really enjoy each others company anyway other than a single night of playing pool.
>>80950477
Never said it wasn't justified. not my point.
>>80950460
Marcie missread that. what he worry about is they don't hurt each other.
In a less black and white approach, you can also say he got a little crush but got that it would never work out before getting emotionally too involved.
I really fucking hate that everything has it turn into a fucking drama. Actually featuring more normal and steady relationship and not taking every opportunity to turn something into bitching jealousy is actually a nice change and feature relationship among people more realistically.
>>80950523
And my point is that you can't hold Foggie's bitching against him or use it as a reason to not like the character.
>>80950537
Dude read my initial post. i said that I liked foggy and that it was an issue in the writing. Not an in universe logic problem that made me hate the character. I love the character. I hate how they chose to handle him this season.
>>80949751
I can't tell if he's 12 or in his 60's...
>>80950550
one too many hits on the ice man. Alas such is the life of a duck.
quackquackquackquack!
>>80950506
It's the people closest to you that affect you the most. The ones that can really get right under your rib cage and twist at your heart like a knife.
Heated words from a close friend. Losing the last tether that kept you grounded in the real world. Are these not the essence of drama? The deep rooted struggles of being a vigilante?
>>80950613
I'm starting to think people aren't actually reading what I write.
Okay...I will emphasize.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH FOGGY GIVING MATT MURDOCK SHIT ABOUT BEING DAREDEVIL
That is not the issue. Yes their closeness causing a huge rift because of the danger matt puts himself in is very much something they should have made an issue in the show. my point.........my only real point that seems to be ignored is THEY DID IT THE ENTIRE SEASON FROM THE VERY FIRST (FIRST NOT SECOND FIRST) CONVERSATION SHARED.
i don't want to seem angry i'm honestly just trying to emphasize the point which it seems folks are kind of glazing over. If you want drama to mean something you need contrast. its why action movies aren't non stop action scenes, why romance stories arent just two people shmoozing over one another, tragedies have high points so the lows look low. If the only thing you get between two characters is argument, how is there real drama? It loses meaning because its all you see. There is no escalation, no arc. Its just 'begin with foggy mad at matt', 'end with foggy mad at matt'. That is the issue I have. Not that there is conflict and drama, but that there is no point from which it comes. And if you had a few episodes where it wasn't foggy going on and on and on about how awful the shit matt is doing is you would have an arc. You would be able to go 'man look at what their friendship has come to' because you get to see it go from good to bad. you could see foggy go form supporting matt to begrudging support to justified condemnation to 'i'm done with this shit'.
>>80950749
>And if you had a few episodes where it wasn't foggy going on and on and on about how awful the shit matt is doing
Isn't that what the first season is for?
>>80949946
case closed.
Make a decision, say the line with some authority, or make the decision to b ineffectual. They fucking cast a dude that is so ineffectual it's not a decision - and its tortuous to watch him stumble through shit.
>>80950865
Well firstly the first season ends with them coming to grips with the whole 'im daredevil thing'.
So actually its kinda worse because it goes from 'relationship resolution' to 'immediate rift in relationship' with no story beats in between.
also a season should be a continuation of the story. but it should also be its own story. have its own structure and its own arcs.
This season sucked as a Daredevil show.
Punisher stuff was top fucking notch but they really dropped the ball regarding DD characters and plot.
>Punisher walks out with huge chaingun angry as fuck
>proceeds to snipe everyone with unrelated weapon
What the fuck was the point of that?
>>80950973
the only time they show him walking out with the chaingun is after the rooftop confrontation with him sniping the ninjas. he helps DD out then burns down his house and walks out with the chaingun. mind you it was a little pointless but it looked cool.
/tv/ crybabies.
>>80949751
>elektra ruins what would have helped their case
>Matt had absolutely no idea she even knew she heard him talking just that she came in after the last seconds of it
>rejects her offer to go out the night before because of the case
>he says that was all Matts fault not need
He had some good reasons to be pissed like Matt flaking out for a bunch of stuff but damn man be real here. I know anger makes people say unreadable shit but seriously think about what you just said.
>>80949830
But then the complaint is that everyone agrees with the main character and let's them do whatever they please.
Original Karen druggie/pornstar background would'v been much better but I guess too "hardcore" for Marvel show.
Also seriously fuck this Hand/Chaste bullshit, horrible in the comics, horrible here.
I really hoped Kingpin was endgame and not this super death ninja warrior.
>>80951019
>Original Karen druggie/pornstar background would'v been much better but I guess too "hardcore" for Marvel show.
Do people seriously believe this?
I was sad to see Ben Urich killed off early on so I was more than fine seeing her reinvented as the one to carry on his legacy.
It fit perfectly with the storyline.
I literally got a boner.
>>80949751
if my friend was risking his life saving children from being raped to death every night I wouldn't be a whiny bitch about it.
>>80950167
Not if we fight and drive them out.
>>80949751
>/co/ is one individual
Foggy is fine. Well written, true to the character.
And as others has said, he's perfectly right to be angry with Matt, who repeatedly lets him, Page and Castle down during the trial.
I like him a lot better than Karen this season.
Foggy's attitude seems justified. Matt was flaking out on him a lot and he actually didn't do shit to help with the case.
Karen on the other hand was really annoying this season. She turned into a Mary Sue, suddenly being important for no reason. I don't really buy her attitude either about caring for Frank or caring for other people in general.
>"I suck at arguing, better call Matt and do it for me!"
>Frank throws the whole case and goes on a senseless tirade
>"IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT MATT YOU FUCKED OUR CASE UP, FUCK YOU I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN!!!"
>>80951784
It was Matt's fault that they took Frank's case to begin with. Froggy warned him that this case would be unwinnable, but Matt assures him that he'll be able to take care of it himself.
But he was never there. He was only present at the last part of the trial and delivered a speech intended to promote Daredevil rather than actually help Frank.
It's not that difficult to see. Matt really did fuck up.
>>80949751
Froggy was good this season and is a bro. He put up with a lot of Matts shit . Secretary should give the Frogster a blowjob
>>80950404
Wow, OP leads with a loaded post and you find a way to unload all that? And here I thought Vash was the only one who knew how to load himself onto a cross so spectacularly.
Don't convince yourself you've got the only bead on basic storytelling just because the threads above page 5 have some posts that make you feel better about yourself.
I don't really want to start a new thread.
What do you people want to see in Season 3?
>>80952560
an actual villain with a real goal.
>>80952560
more karen
>>80949775
Foggy tried to hold the firm while Matt went chasing pussy.
>>80952560
No more Foggy and Karen.
>>80952560
Maybe skip a season with the hand, each episode is DD stopping a different villain.
All I thought this season was Foggy was based as fuck
The hospital scene where he breaks up a fight by telling everybody how retarded they were being, the part where he has to give his opening statement with nothing prepared, the way that he realized he had an opportunity beyond Matt and took it and with the possibility of getting back with his 10/10 ex. All I saw was a guy getting shit done.
>>80951736
She just turned into Lois Lane dawg.
>>80952634
>The hospital scene where he breaks up a fight by telling everybody how retarded they were being,
that was the cringiest thing ever
>>80952560
More Melvin.
>>80952644
yeah, and i loved foggy this season but that shit sucked.
the rest of the scene with claire was great though.
>>80950973
>>>Punisher walks out with huge chaingun angry as fuck
>>proceeds to snipe everyone with unrelated weapon
You realize the sniping was before he got the chaingun right?
I'll admit he was kind of a whiny bitch, but he had very legitimate reasons to be pissy the entire time. He basically carried the firm all by himself the entire season while Matt not only didnt show up for work ever, but also pulled the firm into bad situations by biting off more than they could chew.
>>80951784
You realize the only reason this entire situation happened in the first place with the case was that Matt decided to take it at all right? Foggy didn't even want to do it and said it was a bad idea but went along with it because he thought Matt was up to it.
>>80952649
>mfw that scene where he gives Matt his billy clubs
i actually got a little teary eyed.
>>80952560
I want to see Night Thrasher, Dark Hawk, and Stilt Man
Man the first 4 episodes were so good, now the more I watch the more shit it becomes. Matt becomes more and more an asshole and everyone else is just fucking boring.
>>80952649
I think Kingpin will kill him when he gets out of jail.
>>80952718
>kingpin kills betsy
>melvin goes crazy
>"YOU TOLD ME YOU WOULDNT LET HIM GET HER!" to DD
>becomes gladiator
>>80952705
Have you gotten to episode 8 yet?
>>80952732
7. Does it get better or does it get worst?
>>80952644
Why? Explain it to me.
>>80952732
Not him, but i keep hearing it gets better after 8, I'm on episode 10, and Matt is still a goddamned trainwreck.
>>80952741
I thought it got better
>>80952755
Nerdy white guy manages to talk down the hardcore, slightly not white gang members. His brains beating their brawn and gaining the admiration of the staff and the girl. so cringey.
>>80952741
Oh, you're at ''Matt fucks up his life for no reason whatsoever'', around the end of episode 8 the plot picks up and the focus shifts to more interesting characters, Matt is still fucking up his life, tho.Seriously what was up with Matt this season? Was he hypnotized by Elektra or something? Is it a comic thing? Seriously, he started with a lot and ended with possibly nothing, and it was all him, wtf. Yes I'm mad.
>>80952788
he made a choice that being a vigilante is more important then being a normal guy. I like that he wasn't a hypocrite about it and in the end let his law firm go since he obviously didn't care.
>>80952788
>Shifts to more interesting characters
Please don't tell me those are foggy and Karen.
>>80952801
>I want to let the people know that the law works, that his justice, my justice doesn't work
Or something like that. Wasn't that what he said to Brett?
>that part where Matt threatens Fisk that he'll get Vanessa's visa back to the US revoked
>>80952802Fisk and Frank meet up.Also Karen, but she actually gets some nice development, even if it's the same shit over and over
>>80952560
Really need to see more of the Preacher and Stick, also Kirsten McDuffie and Blindspot.
>>80952826
Will he built a wall to prevent that?
>>80952836
I hated how nosey and "do-goody" Karen was in Season 1. Still is. She was partially to blame for getting Urich killed despite what the writers want to tell us about Urich not being forced to push a story or some shit like that. Is that still her character?
>>80949751
He never used his Doomsday powers to help Matt.
Good season except the black sky reveal beingElektra, the kind of above-average ninja who has fun doing it
>>80952815
Right but over the course of the season, we're shown multiple times how the law ISN'T working. Fisk still has tons of power and can have people killed. The cops are dribbling idiots when it comes to stopping vigilantes like Punisher or the really driven criminal organizations like the Hand or Blacksmith, who fully manages to kill the district attorney in her own office in broad daylight.
Matt admits as much to Frank on the boat. The city desperately needs him and denying that fact will only get more people killed, so he decided to let his personal life go in service to the higher calling of keeping NY safe as best he can.
>>80953107
Wasn't there a part or a small arc about how one man in a black mask can't save NY or make a change.
>>80952839
>Kirsten McDuffie and Blindspot
>>80952560
Nothing that's not pretty predictable really
>Bullseye
>Born Again
>Maybe Gladiator
Frank should show up for a few episodes, but should not be the focus again. Would personally love a Spider-man reference, and would be neat if it were more connected with the other defenders shows.
>>80952853
She still feels guilty about Ben, and wants to just walk away from it all but knows that morally she can't. Guilt motivates her for a lot of season 2.
>>80953324
I'm not sure how it'd work with JJ since her super strength wouldn't get her very far against ninjas etc. with her lack of combat training. If they'd captured Purple Man instead of killing him, the trial would have made a great starting point for season 3.
They could maybe introduce She-Hulk but I imagine she'd take away both JJ and DD's schticks
>>80953388
Well by the time we have season 3 we will have a Luke Cage show and likely Iron Fist, no reason Daredevil cant meet one of them. Maybe some point when Daredevil is in trouble, Claire could call in Luke Cage to help and Matt would learn that he doesn't need to do this alone and it could set up for Defenders.
>>80952560
At some point, we need Foggy to get over Matt being Daredevil, or at least not give him so much shit for it. Yeah, its realistic to worry, but at a certain point the realisn starts to take away from the story.
Granted, only half of Foggy's anger is born from worry, and the other half is because, especially in this season, the idea that their firm isn't important, so Matt would probably have to start doing his actual job.
So I'm guessing Foggy is going to appear in Iron Fist? Or JJ season 2?
>>80953650
Foggy should be in everything.
>>80952853
>Is that still her character?
Even moreso now, actually. She keeps trying to dig up stuff on Frank's past after Frank with Frank constantly telling her her to stop digging. She also ends up as a damsel in distress just a tad too often this season.
i honestly felt kind of bad for Foggy this season. he got pushed to the background, cucked by Matt, got all the work dumped onto him for the law firm, and was lied to from all sides. All the dude wanted was to just make an okay living and help the little guys.
>>80949751
Foggy was a boss and the best character of S2.
>>80953650
I would like to see Foggy have a decent role in JJ s2 but have a diminished role in DD s3. I like the character, but Matt and Foggy's zombie relationship isn't fun.
>>80953856
Matt is an asshole and idiot
>>80949751
I kind of hated him in Season 1. His actor just wasn't great and character was obnoxious.
Actor seems better in season 2 though, and I actually found him likable a bit. That hospital speech was dumb though.
>>80949751
He was justified in being pissed off but I just don't like the actor. Also, there were too many scenes of him and Matt arguing. The point would've been communicated well enough with half the screen time of them arguing.
apology for poor english
when were you when frankening happens
i was sat at home watching there devil when wilson ring
'frank is franked'
'frank'
and you???????????
>>80954114
Your english might not be good but you speak fluent Frank, my friend.
>>80949751
>Try to keep his friend from killing himself
>Cover everything up and back his stories
>Be a total bro about Karen and Matt getting jiggy with it
>Hold down the firm all by himself while Matt is Daredeviling and Karen is chasing the damaged male
>Lawyer himself into a cushy job with S.H.I.E.L.D.
>Still tries to be friends with Matt after everything
Foggy was fucking amazing this season you niggers
>>80954307
This, dude was non-stop putting out fires, goddamn.
>>80949889
>someone who has spoken in front of a judge
> Foggy's opening started as a cringe
>I got the reference XD, I am lawyer too!
Yeah no shit fucktard. Thats the point of the scene, you dont need any legal education to get how a fatass stuttering is cringy.
>>80949886
>>80950004
>>80950204
>Be Matt Murdoch
>finna save Hell's Kitchen
>bro who's supposed to have your back bitches constantly when he can clearly do the minor shit himself
>bitch bitch bitch
>lives literally on the line and your "bro" just bitches about "muh case"
Foggy is a selfish prick.
>>80949751
I wasn't crazy about him last season but this season with the trial he had a valid point until Frank fucked everything up. Other than that all he wants to do is drink and bitch when he doesn't get what he wants.
>>80954807
Go to bed Matt.
The only selfish prick is you.
>>80950161
Kek, if he did the tone would've been set by Reyes. Foggy literally convinced court that there is reason to look into Frank Castle's case without really believing in it himself.
>>80954307
The one thing I was really happy about was Foggy not particularly being mad or anything about Karen dating Matt. I know in a CW show that shit would be a subplot all it's own
Do you think we'll see him in Jessica Jones?
>>80955041
Maybe he will be in Defenders first. I'm pretty sure they have to get to that before they do JJ S2, the suits at Netflix before have mentioned they have to get to Defenders by a certain date and squeezing in another season of Daredevil has made that more difficult.
For now the order looks like Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, then Jones S2 but who knows, things could change.
>>80955106
Wait, so, in 2016 only Luke Cage is left, then it's Iron Fist and Defenders in 2017, then it's Jessica Jones in 2018 confirmed to be first show and you mean to tell me getting season 3 of Daredevil in 2018 is best case scenario?
>>80952560
This >>80953324 and Matt getting fucked up so we can have Shadowland in Defenders s2
>>80955201
Jones isn't confirmed for being after Defenders, maybe they can fit it in before, but so far everything they've said makes it seem like it's after, as Netflix hasn't made any plans to do more than 2 marvel shows a year. This is from the JJ showrunner, before season 2 was confirmed:
>"There are logistics involved, because Defenders has to shoot by a certain time, contractually. Actually, I'm not sure; I'm not at all involved in those conversations, much to my dismay. The first question is whether or not we will even get a second season. The second question is, if so, when? Will it be before The Defenders or after? I'd certainly love it to be before but there are things that play into that — time, availability."
Honestly I think they will eventually up it to 3 a year, if they keep going like this.
>>80955355
Yeah having multiple seasons of shows fucked up the original plan. As much as I want to see Iron First, I will be really disappointed if we don't get a Daredevil Season 3 next year. They should start doing a show in the summer to accommodate for the new plans.
>>80954307
I was REALLY happy that Foggy got some vindication in the end. Now we'll get to see him in JJ season 2 if such a thing ever happens.
>>80956091
Too bad JJ is shit and I won't be watching it. But I hope foggy's character goes somewhere.
I want to see a movie where the guy who plays Foggy plays the son of Toby Jones. I guess it doesn't have to be cape related.
>>80949751
>watching the last part
>anyone who's ever been rescued by DD is captured
>where's Foggy?
>realized that he's such a badass he's never had to be reduced by Daredevil
>walked into a biker bar for info and walked out unharmed
>talked two rival gang members into standing down
>most competent part of Nelson and Murdock
He was straight up on fire this season. Matt turned into a shaky bastard
>>80956130
JJ wasn't that bad. But I feel like Kilgrave really made the story work for me. I honestly don't know what they'd do with season 2.
>>80956186
>JJ wasn't that bad
No. It was a fucking train wreck. When I was watching DD S2 I got flashbacks to how JJ was when Matt started acting like an asshole for no good reason. That is how bad JJ was.
So Foggy goes to JJ and Nuke goes to DD?
>>80952591
this
I have no idea what the fuck the hand was actually up to. For some reason them getting a hold of a chick wielding sai is the end of the world.
I want to see Kingpin out and ready to fuck shit up next season.
Considering Matt never told Foggy about the Hand and how dangerous they are, Foggy is fully in the right to be mad at Matt given the lack of information.
I think Karen was way worse this season. She finds Elektra in bed at Matt's place, ok, but she isn't going to ask about the BLIND OLD MAN TOO? He obviously didn't sex her with him in the other room.
>>80955513
Especially considering that end of season 2 is begging for season 3 next year. Maybe even slightly prior to Defenders. Otherwise it will either kill Daredevil's momentum, either will feel awkward in Defenders. Unless Defenders will be dealing specifically with Hand.
>>80954307
>>Lawyer himself into a cushy job with S.H.I.E.L.D.
What? When did this happen?
>>80957780
Also the fact that Elektra had a hole in her stomach.
Like seriously, the fuck?
>>80954307
>Lawyer himself into a cushy job with S.H.I.E.L.D
Anon, this didn't happen.
>>80958731
It didn't. Anon seems to have confused jessica jones law firm for SHIELD
>>80957780
> Foggy is fully in the right to be mad at Matt given the lack of information.
Doesn't Foggy vehemently refuse to accept any context or additional information about Matt's hero work, like, constantly?
I did find the Karen bit hilarious. But then, things were over one way or another.
>>80949751
Him lawyering out a shiv fight between rival gang members was the dumbest shit, but I don't think that's reason enough to hate the character. Haircut when?
>>80958863
>haircut
>further exposing his fat lardy neck and jaw line
Jeez, you really do hate him.
>>80958853
>Doesn't Foggy vehemently refuse to accept any context or additional information about Matt's hero work, like, constantly?
It is the other way around
>>80952560
They basically telegraphed S3 as being Born Again with Karen finding out his identity and Fisk saying he was gonna ruin Matt and Foggy. Fisk is likely going to get released and systematically make Matts life hell. He'll probably kill Karen for killing Wesley. He'll probably fuck Foggy over in his new job. I think he might kill the nice black cop. Maybe white newspaper mentor guy. Maybe Stick too. Betsy is definitely fucked because Fisk will find out Melvin is helping DD leading to Gladiator. I could see Bullseye taking on Nitro's role and impersonating Daredevil.
>>80959147
S2 seems to be leading up The Hand tho.
I might be wrong The Hand build up is much bigger than Fisk's.
>>80957780
>anon doesn't invite old men over to watch them bone hot females in order to receive old man high fives and respect afterwards
You've literally shown yourself to be a true plebeian tee bee aych, familia
>>80958853
>Doesn't Foggy vehemently refuse to accept any context or additional information about Matt's hero work, like, constantly?
Matt doesn't really give him any information to begin with.
>>80959228
I feel like Hand in S1 received as much build up as Fisk in S2 maybe a little less. With the whole season being so Hand and Frank centric I honestly see them going full ruthless Kingpin next season. I could see them saving the mystical Hand stuff for Defenders.
Daredevil is my favorite show right now. The acting is pretty top notch for the most part. Whoever plays Foggy is a bad actor. I feel like if a better actor played Foggy, he'd be less annoying.
>>80959323
I feel like Kingpin should be end game. I mean if Kingpin is back and taken down again, there isn't going to be a kingpin for awhile. S4 will be hard to do. The hand however isn't as much. But we will see, we are still probably a good 1-2 years away from it.
Typhoid Mary when? They really shouldn't neglect Nocenti's run. It's better than Bendis' or Smiths.
>>80959367
I guess I see Defenders as the end of Phase 1 of the Netflix stuff so if there is a DD S3 before Defenders I see them fitting in Fisk then. Then again looking at the schedule they couldn't even do JJ Season 2 yet because of having to fit in Luke Cage and Iron Fist before Defenders.
>>80959462
Assuming 2 shows per year
Luke 2016
Ironfist + Defender 2017
JJ + DD 2018
Foggy should be Franked.
Y/N?
>>80949751
Of all the people who call Matt on his shit (punisher, Elektra, Stick) Foggy has the most right to do so. Yes fucking ranking their careers. Foggy is based, Matt is a selfish ass who is pulling everyone down with him
>>80958822
This. I only saw one ep of JJ, forgot it had some dyke lawyer, and apparently mixed her up with Agent Hill.
>>80959672
No, Foggy's not someone who needs to get FRANKED. Karen needs an ace of spades to the throat though.
>>80949751
He's the male Felicity.
>>80950167
Did your mother ever beat you for being a lying faggot?
Because she really should have.
>>80960189
He is NOTHING like Felicity.
He has every right to be pissed 1/2 the time unlike Felicity. The shit with Oliver's son and Felicity completely pissed me off.
Foggy has been the best character for two fucking seasons
>>80954807
Matt is not superman, he aint saving shit. he is just some faggot who constantly leaves his bros hanging. you are supposed to have each others back, its a 2 way street and matt has not been doing his part.
>>80950973
This season was a mess. Fucking fighting every 2 minutes, DD somersaulting in the air unnecessarily and barely any plot in some eps. It was painful to watch knowing that just as you were getting into some story line ninja's were gonna pop out at any moment and another 7min fight scene would take place.
>>80949751
He doesn't jive with Matt or Karen, who both believe in doing what they think is right. Unlike Foggy, who believes in doing his job and working inside the system, even when it fails. That's not the sort of character you need for a superhero show, at least not in the supporting cast. A character like Foggy should be an antagonist.
Say what you will for Felicity, be she at least believes that Oliver is trying to do the right thing and actually lends a hand.Fuck you, I said it.
>>80960457
I would take this type of season any fucking day over an Arrow Season.
>>80952610
Karen was the only one with character development and the only one I was interested about. I enjoyed her and Frank together, it was a nice break from Foggy's bitching and Matt's never ending back-flips
>>80960520
This is a multi-milion dollar series with resources arrow doesn't have. They have no excuse for such a weak season with shitty character development
>>80960598
Too bad not even an immense budget can save shit writing. This much is clear.
>>80960189
I remember thinking that to myself as well. I love how he got an offer to be a named partner at an amazing law-firm after he magically pulled an opening statement out of his ass that seemed to wow stone-cold Hogarth. He was such a Mary Sue this season, everything worked out so well for him for no reason
>>80952560
more upbeat atmosphere, Im sick of netflix shows being all washed out and dreary, put in some high energy moments even if you want it too be somber
>>80960655
did they get a new writer or something, this was just such a messy season. It's like they gave up on everyone else and focused on Karen
>>80960493
Dude, Felicity admitted Oliver was put in an impossible position, but she literally said she doesn't care since her feelings are hurt.
While Foggy took on impossible case against his better judgement that was continuously jeopardized directly and indirectly by Matt. He was practically begging Matt to ask him to stay, but Matt chose to let Foggy go.
>>80954114
/k/ here! We know him as:
a) Our personal Lord and Savior.
b) An angel of the Holy murder/k/ube
c) FRONK!
>>80960750
>Everyone else but Frank and focused on Karen
I blame the shippers. I feel like all the Matt x Karen shit was to appease tumblr/twitter shippers and because of it, the Elektra stuff was written more as an afterthought.
>>80960823
How would /k/ rate Frank's choice of weapons?
>>80960882
Karen was a love interest to Matt in the comics and they heavily hinted that was the direction they were gonna take at the end of season 1.
Fans have nothing to do with this, this is just shit writing
>>80949751
I sure as hell don't hate him. Matt screwed him over during the entire season and he -still- wanted to stick with him.
Seriously, fuck Matt dropping -everything- to help Elektra.
"Matthew I need help right now"
"Fuck off"
"But if we don't do it now we'll never get another chance at the thing you don't want to help me with"
"I'll see you in 3 minutes"
>>80961171
Matt was horrible this season. He was annoyingly unreliable and left Foggy and Karen hanging several times, but that doesn't mean Foggy's incessant bitching wasn't any less annoying
>>80949751
Because summer /co/ sucks Murdoch's dick despite Murdoch being a huge douchelord for all of season 2. For a blind guy, he's a really selfish prick.
>>80961251
But S2 Matt is 100% Miller/Bendis Matt. When it feels like he is slipping he ain't, he's already slipped.
>>80960777
> He was practically begging Matt to ask him to stay, but Matt chose to let Foggy go.
Foggy has ever justification for the way he acts, but people act like Matt doesn't. He could only really choose his daily life or his passion. The worst you can say about him is that he didn't choose sooner, but hindsight is 20/20.
>>80961317
Yes, but he's annoying as shit.
>>80960939
Frank used, in series:
>SOPMOD M4A1 with an M203
>Serbu Super Shorty twelve guage Shotgunin the hospital chase.
>A couple of revolvers
>A 1911
>A "sniper rifle" that looked like a long-barrel AR15
>A high end sniper rifle that looks like one of Accuracy International's offerings but I can't be sure.
Seen But not used onThe Secret Room in the Blacksmith's Shed:
>Kriss Vector .45 ACP Submachine Gun
>Barret M82A1
>Sig 552 Assalt Rifle
Basically, FRONK sticks to what he knows and what he knows he learned in the military for the most part. The blacksmith was moving all high-end gear meant for military contracts so now Frank Inherits that.
I'd also like to take a minute to express how stupid I think it is when characters have to assemble their weapons on screen. That just means that you have a bigger, more unwieldy case and a rifle that you can't break from concealment to start rocking and rolling with.
>>80952755
Not to mention the security present with guns drawn who where essentially useless lumps against a guy with a scapple.
But the whole idea that the vato was so retarded after a lawyer told him there's witnesses and it's a felony. He still looks at him puzzeled like i don't get it. Gang bangers are retarded and do get in fights in the er irl, but they're not so retarded they do it with guns drawn on them. It was a shitty scene. Foggy speach was lacking strength as much as a hyper retarded cholo caved for no reason really.
>>80962730
other members of both gangs were there so to back down without justifiable reason would be to lose status.
they clearly didnt wanna kill one another in front of those innocent people but if either of them backed down they would look like a chump to their respective crew. Foggy just reasoned with them in such a way that they had an out.
>>80949751
because he got over matt being matt last season and now he's doing the same shit
Watching episode 8
>"It's bullshit"
>"Language!"
Nice cameo by the Cap.
>>80963152
So one cared, the lead retard flipped out as soon as the other guy came in. No one else was starting shit at that moment.
>>80963335
My joy at Reyes' death was just slightly tempered by the fact she was looking CUTE with her hair up and casual dress.
Just finished it. Better than Season 1.
the good:
>good costume
>hot and compelling elektra with good costume
>frank
>foggy being his own character
>karen being her own character
>bro elliot
>fisk setting up for season 3
the bad:
>matt/karen romance was stupid and obviously tacked on for the sake of a conflict
>matt approaching Arrow-level of brooding, but they kept it down thank god. he was kind of a dick the entire time though.
>lack of an actual villain and an actual central storyline
>fight choreography got a bit worse
>climax wasn't very climactic, it was the best mid-season when they kept raising the stakes, only to fizzle out in the end kind of. not enough frank in the finale either, it obviously didn't go the way they had originally intended.
my only worry is that they are gonna go full Arrow in Season 3 and focus on the Hand, which was the weakest part of this season
>>80963335
>now he's doing the same shit
Yeah, because Matt got shot an almost died and would have been killed had Foggy not rescued him.
So, I must have missed it, butwhat was the point to the giant hole?
>>80963588
Nobody knows.
>>80963609
Well that's upsetting.
>>80963588
>>80963609
>>80963618
they are stretching out that storyline way too much
>>80963588
>>80963609
>>80963618
>>80963656
>season 10
>still don't know what The Hand are doing
screencap this
>>80960698
Does that mean Foggy could meet Danny first, before Hogarth?
>>80949751
>suddenly
I didn't like him since season 1 episode 1 in his opening scene. He's a comic relief played by a really really horrible actor.
>>80963609
>>80963618
>>80963656
>>80963687
I'm calling it now. That bit about the Rising that gets mentioned once a season?
Big ass demon-summoning cribbed from Wolverine's enemy of the state arc.
>>80951178
THIS
T H I S
>WAAAAAAH WHY ARE YOU SAVING LITTLE CHILDREN FROM BEING BLOOD DRAINED BY NINJAS YOU NEED TO COME INTO COURT TO SAY STUFF
Are people ACTUALLY defending Foggy?
does this with the music mean anything
>>80949751
Man, I posted a picture from season one the other day and made fun of him. It got me a ban.
>>80949751
Low tier character on a mediocre show. What's to like?
>>80964610
Foggy didn't know ANYTHING about the children being drained of blood.
>>80963490
I was surprised by how good the costume looked. It just needed the right lighting. When he'd be in shadows and the light would hit his horns? So sexy.
