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What's the appeal to him? Why did Geoff Johns pushed him for so long to be in league? I get because muh diversity, but why not use a previous black member like Back Lightning or Vixen. Something just feels out of place as if he doesn't belong there. He should be in the Teen Titans. It's like as if someone decided to to an X-men as a new member of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
He's the best Titan and most of the popular titans have gotten upgraded from team status at some point or another. Raven had a solo book, Starfire too, and she was on the Outlaws. Vic's getting his time in the sun, and as far as perpetual monitor duty bitch goes he makes a lot more sense in the role than J'onn ever did.
>It's like as if someone decided to to an X-men as a new member of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
That did happen.
>>80926787
Because BOOYAH
>>80926787
Anything that gives spotlight to a Titan is good in my book.
Now we just need to put Raven and Starfire on the JL and we'll be set.
HA HA, I CAN'T WAIT TO HIT THOSE SHOWERSFor real though, I think he's a really boring character. I'm not a fan of any of DC's black characters but Cyborg takes the cake of being offensively boring.
>>80926873
Am I the only one that hated the TT cartoon portrayal of Cyborg. All he did was act like a walking stereotype
He was probably Johns' favorite Titan when he was a kid and wanted him to matter, same reason Hal and John came back.
>>80926947
He was better than John. I don't know why anyone who saw the JL cartoon would want to see him again. At least Cyborg had a personality.
>>80926787
He's a popular character that's never had a lot of success before. Now they push him the same way they've pushed dozens of other characters. Honestly, any character getting out of the Teen Titans should be celebrated.
>>80926787
>Why did Geoff Johns pushed him for so long to be in league?
Because he's a tech superhero in the 21st century. In particular, his tech (in recent iterations, at least) gives him access to pretty much anything connected to the internet.
It's such a great concept that is MASSIVELY underused, both in JL and in his current ongoing.
There are any number of ways to use it: conspiracy theories, leaked footage of unmasked heroes/villains, data overload, etc. You could even go towards socialist storylines, showing how improvements in technology tend to further harm the working class.
And so much more. Cyborg has so much potential outside of the ground that's been trodden and retrodden for decades: identity politics ("who am i?...what am i?") and racism. It's not that those things aren't appropriate: they just shouldn't be the main thrust of anything in a modern story about Cyborg.
>>80927576
Geoff Johns...is that you?
If so, why didn't you save Hal?
>>80926787
Geoff Johns likes making his personal favorites more important. It's why he brought Cold in on a bunch of JL issues. It's why he brought Barry back to replace Wally or Hal back to outshine the rest of the GLs. Cyborg is one of his pet favorites (he injected him into his ongoings in the past just because he liked the character) so, when DC said "we need a not white person in the JL" Johns, as the writer, pulled up his favorite black dude and blam.
Once you're a "founding" JL member at that point it follows suit to give him a solo book.
>>80927157
John Stewart did have a personality. It was supposed to be the "successful black man" type personality that falls somewhat under the Straightman trope or The Voice of Reason. This was most apparent in the arc where the league had to train in teamwork when the secret society formed against them, as well as one or two others iirc.
Because he's dc's most famous black guy.
>inb4 black lightning
Casuals don't know who black lighting is, and Cyborg was on a famous cartoon.
>>80929941
>Because he's dc's most famous black guy.
How is Cyborg more famous than John Stewart?
>>80926787
Because he can teleport and is authenticity black(i.e. Not a shapeshifter)
>>80926787
Johns is skinny Bendis
>>80926936
>not a fan of the Wall
Fucking shit taste.
>>80927068
John?
>>80927349
>Honestly, any character getting out of the Teen Titans should be celebrated.
And now Dick and Starfire are going back after having two successful and relatively well liked runs.
>>80928965
>Barry replace Wally
That was actually Sciver's idea. (Although Johns still wrote the thing so who knows)
>brought back Hal to outshine the other GLs
Let's be real, he outshone them as Parallax/Spectre too.
>>80930119
Not that guy, but John isn't Hal so John's popularity is irrelevant. Johns is gonna let John upstage and/or replace his husbando
>>80930246
*isn't gonna let John
>>80930119
With the current generation. Also, Hal and Kyle are bigger with quite a few people; Cy doesn't have that problem.
>>80930144
I won't argue writing, cause it's subjective and all, but you have to admit that Johns is a much better person than Bendis.
Why not make Static the token black? He's pretty popular.WHOOP WHOOP
>>80930459
He's too young to be on the JL and he's from Milestone.
>>80930459
Did you READ that Static comic they wrote for the Nu 52? Even with an entire cartoon to draw from, including the original comic run, they still didn't know how to write him.
If I remember correctly, that run was so bad, some former milestone writers bought back the rights to Static so they wouldn't fuck him up any more and cause McDuffie to spin in his grave.
>>80930119
TeenTitans and TeenTitans GO.
I love Cyborg and am a massive NTT fan, but literally the reason he's on the League is because he's the single most well-known black DC hero. Teen Titans and TTGo are more popular than any non-Batman DC show in history. Everything about the New 52 Justice League was tailored specifically as a movie pitch, by Jim Lee and Bob Harras with help from Johns.
I'm willing to believe that Johns is a Cyborg fan because he was around during the era of Super Friends that had Cyborg on it, and I'm willing to bet he wanted him on the League pre-Flashpoint, which made sense because he was the oldest Titan and had been neglected for a very long time, unable to get past the Titans. But I'm positive that was only 1/3 of the reason behind him being on the League, at the very most.
Overall there is no way in hell Johns would have picked him to be on the FOUNDING JL team, as a comics history buff himself, which is likely why he pushed the team to be only seven members including the rest of the O7. In order for that much of the history to be preserved on the big screen, a sacrifice had to be made for Cyborg, WB would only accept the most safe possible pitch, and Cyborg is the most safe black character. It's just the truth. No other character could have been sacrificed except J'onn, as well.
I'd also like to mention that Black Lightning never stood a chance because the rights are partially owned by Tony Isabella, due to a special contract he got at the time. Even though they're on amicable grounds now, there is no chance in hell WB would have been ok with allowing their key entry into the cinematic universe bandwagon to have absolutely any control belong to someone else.
>>80926947
This was part of the purpose of the original character, though. He was supposed to be a character black teens could relate to. Even if that meant he had to be a little stereotypical. And being a stereotype is not inherently bad unless you're going full SJW.
>>80930226
Why do people keep saying Flash Rebirth was Sciver's idea?
Geoff Johns made the original pitch for both GL and Flash Rebirth. GL was accepted and Flash was turned down by Didio because "barry died a hero." A couple years later, when Flash sales were bad, Sciver went back to didio and pestered him to greenlight Johns's Flash Rebirth pitch and it went through.
Sciver's persistence is what got it through but The Flash Rebirth pitch was Johns's plan from the start. That's where Sciver got it in his head to be the artist who brought back both Hal and Barry -- Johns was the one who put it there.
Barry is very obviously Johns's preferred Flash. It's probably not as bad as how much be prefers Hal to the other GLs, but then Wally suffered a way worse fate than Kyle, Guy, or Stewart.
>>80926787
This question again
>>80931365
>Cyborg is the most safe black character
Is not, the safest was John.
But Johns would never let Anyone but Hal in the league
>>80932201
>Why do people keep saying Flash Rebirth was Sciver's idea?
Johnsfags deny any involvment of johns in everything negative, there's retards in this board that say Johns didnt wrote JL until trinity war.
>>80932201
>Barry is very obviously Johns's preferred Flash
Johns is weird with Barry. He writes a good Barry in the Flash show, but it's like he intentionally writes him out of Justice League. Last I read, about a year ago, he had Grail crawl out of his mouth so that he could be unconscious for the rest of the arc. Barry knocked out with everyone else doing stuff in each panel became almost comical. Has he done anything to indicate that he doesn't hate the fuck out of him since then? I would hope so.
>>80932446
No he wasn't. Teen Titans is more popular than JLU. TTGo is the most popular CN show right now. People know Cyborg by name. When the GL movie was announced people went "wasn't he black or something?" because at best they were vaguely aware that a show existed with a black GL.
There's even the chance GL won't be in the movie at all because WB is being so safe that they don't want any possibility of the GL movie's failure having any effect on this movie.
Do you really think WB would rather have the black GL given the choice? I'm sorry but it's very clear that two entire generations of kids who grew up knowing who Cyborg was, including the current generation of the toy-buying demographic, makes him a much better choice than a character who only one generation of kids grew up knowing as a black guy, and the current generation has no exposure to whatsoever, and that's not even taking into consideration the even older generation who knew white GL from Super Friends and the small number who also knew Cyborg from Super Friends at the tail end of its run.
>>80932968
Everyone knows Johns likes Wally much better and has more attachment to him. It's not like he dislikes Barry but for most of his Johns' life reading comics he was dead. It's also been rumored for a long time Johns was against bringing Barry back and was reluctant to do Flash Rebirth, and that EVS had more control over that.
I don't think that's related to his role in JL though, I think that's more that Diana, Luthor and Jessica Cruz are the ones he's more interested in right now and Flash just drew the short straw when he was deciding who got how much screentime.
>>80932201
Hm. Honestly didn't know that. Also, I think people way overstate Johns' "Halwankery"
>>80932446
Nuh-uh. Remember HEAT? I'm a Halfag myself, and I'll still admit he's a guy with a pretty, how should I put this, triggerable fandom.
>>80930216
It's a shame, really.
>>80933143
>Everyone knows Johns likes Wally much better and has more attachment to him. It's not like he dislikes Barry but for most of his Johns' life reading comics he was dead. It's also been rumored for a long time Johns was against bringing Barry back and was reluctant to do Flash Rebirth, and that EVS had more control over that.
Sciver isn't a writer. Johns was the one who wanted Barry back.
Hell, even in his Wally run he has Barry show up and save the day in the finale and he spent a WHOLE lot of the run trying to turn Wally into Barry. Gave him a similar job, nixed his public identity (something unique and special to Wally), brought back The Rogues (again, he was a big fan of The Rogues who were never an important part of Wally West's time as The Flash -- that's all Barry).
Fuck, when people ask who his favorite character is online he says "The Flash," which is basically him saying Barry without having to piss of the rabid online Wally fans.
Barry is his favorite. He likes Wally and almost certainly didn't plan or want what happened to Wally to happen but, if given the choice, he clearly takes Barry. I don't imagine Wally would be getting a better time if he were on the JL instead of Barry, either -- fuck, half the time Johns writes Barry as if he were Wally on JL. Probably out of habit.
>>80926834
>Raven had a solo book
Wait, what? Since when?
>>80934143
She had a (really bad) mini
>>80926787
I feel like Cyborg makes a better "smart guy" of the justice league than Batman, being that he's half computer and all. Batman really shouldn't be the guy building the teleporters.
>>80934123
>Sciver isn't a writer.
Yes but he has admitted to pestering Didio and Johns about Barry ever since GL Rebirth and GL afterward was a success
>>80934277
This is true
>>80934284
He never said he pestered Johns about it. Johns was the one who made the script and pitched it in the first place. But yes. He pestered Didio about green lighting it and then Johns wrote it.
>>80933284
>. Remember HEAT?
I do. Insane fanbase. There's several former HEAT guys here (one of them as the guy that goes autistic when we have "dumbass Hal threads")
>>80933143
Teen Titans was popular only in murrika. And yes, after the GL movie failed WB wanted to stay as far away from Hal as they could, that's why they are waiting almost en entire decade for the second movie. As for the rest of your post, it's clear that you are part of the Johns Internet defense force.
>>80932968
Almost everyone in the league became useless once luthor became the protagonist, one third of the issues were about the trinity reacting at luthor. It was a total waste. Johns simple couldnt handle the Justice League.
>>80934277
>Batman really shouldn't be the guy building the teleporters.
Why?
He did that stuff for 50 years.
>>80935398
>Teen Titans was only popular in America
And? Unless you're gonna tell me JLU was somehow more popular in any significant amount that makes no difference.
>Johns Internet Defense Force
Oh, it's you.
>>80927576
But all they use him for is Boom Tube access and Diversity Points.
>>80933284
What is HEAT?
>>80936387
Autistic Hal fans, that hated Kyle, send death threats to DC, hated parallax. they were pretty insane
>>80936387
Hal's Emerald Attack Team
There are some scary stories about them floating around
>>80936387
>>80936529
There was also a nail bomb at some point
>>80936529
>>80936577
Oh, okay. I didn't know that there were people alive that didn't know that Hal was best when he was The Specter.
He's a fun light character.
>>80936208
Are you the faggot that insist Origins was a Lee story?
The autist that think only one person in the world dislikes Johns?
