http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/12/iron-fist-netflix-marvel
>“Our goal is to provide four different shows that each have their own feel while, again, feeling like they are a part of a whole,” he continued. “It’s still the early stages of Iron Fist, so I’m a little hesitant to say too much more than that. But Danny Rand is a completely different character, and the world that he comes from, how he obtained his powers and his skills — all completely different. I think fans will be pleased.” Joe Q
I hope the part about him being gone for "four" years is a spelling error.
>>80710458
>I hope the part about him being gone for "four" years is a spelling error.
It's just EW not doing proper fact checking for their articles
>>80710679
Well, Gosh I hope so, it's really important he be raised in KL.
>>80710458
>four years
>>80710753
I know mate, I know.
One of things that stops him being a "Mighty Whitey/White Saviour", or what ever else some people call him/accuse him of being is the age in which he arrives in K'un-Lun and how long he stays.
That's one thing that Mr. Buck can absolutely NOT fuck up on.
Good to hear. I was worried Luke Cage would feel too much like Jessica Jones.
>>80710824
>Luke drinking
>Luke having a hangover
>the annoying neighbours being annoying
>the junkie neighbor being a junkie
>the baddie being the baddie in the shadows
>Danny being very disquietingly erotic
>Luke's irritating friend being irritating
>Jessica making butchy dyke faces
>rinse and repeat
Something like this?
>>80710824
Mike Colter said Luke Cage will be "action-packed".
>>80710458
>I hope the part about him being gone for "four" years is a spelling error.
I imagine it's because they want to use the same actor for flashbacks so he can't be too young at the time. I get everyones concern, but i don't think "four years" was a mistake, i think it's a deliberate choice from the creators' side, whether we like it or not.
>>80710874
But, he went missing age nine, with his family. It looks like young Luke Cage has been cast, so they should pick a young kid for Danny Rand. They need to show his origin, they showed Matt getting blinded, so why wouldn't they show kid Danny seeing his family perish and getting took in?
>>80710946
Look i'm not saying i agree with the decision, but i imagine they want to use Finn Jones for the flashbacks, and so he need to be aged up at the time of him going missing. As such his stay is shortened and he will only have been there for four years.
>>80710874
They had child actors for young main characters in Daredevil, Jessica Jones, and there's one cast as young Cage.
That's not solid reasoning.
>>80710839
>Danny being very disquietingly erotic
no, that needs to be in
>>80710991
Of course, they can use Finn for flashbacks, after they've show him being trained as a child. Suddenly, later flashing to him as as adult will comprehensively tell the audience how long he's stayed for.
If you make him going there as an adult his (origin) story is trashed.
And, people would have the right then to ask why he's not Asian/K'un-lunian-American.
The whole thing reeks of compromise already. And it's all too obvious who they're trying to please.
>Article adds a caveat about his race.
Everytime.
>>80711100
Oh boy, we're starting the boogeymanning on this series already?
>>80711180
Because, of all this pre-agro the Iron Fist fandom could be fucking horrible. Sigh.
>>80711030
Yes, yes we need some underlying PowerFist homolust.
>>80711254
>>80711374
Go back to your cuckold porn on tumblr
>>80711374
I have no idea whether you're agreeing with me or mocking me. If you haven't noticed there are a slew of people trashing him based on a "strawman".
>>80711254
Besides Shou Lou/Kunlun being too rich for Netflix's blood there is no other reason that immediately comes to mind that could justify changing IF's origin story.
>>80711397
Sweet buzzwords, got an independent thought to go with 'em, faggot?
>>80711410
How does that affect the quality of his 'fandom' if the people you don't want to like it already don't like it?
I can't agree with shit if I don't understand what you're insinuating.
>>80710458
>four years
You are literally enabling tumblrinas.
Oh god they're gonna turn Danny into a magical version of Ollie.
>>80711496
Me, senpai? It's in the article, but I'm pretty sure it's not in the first press synopsis that was released. Thank God.
>>80711496
>My name is Daniel Rand. For four years I was training in K'un L'un with only one goal: become the Iron Fist. Now I will fulfill my father's dying wish. To use the money he left me and bring down those who are poisoning my city. To do this, I must become someone else. I must become... something else
>>80711481
Even if they don't like it, they're still gonna inject their haterade into it. I wouldn't care, they are free to hate it, it's just annoying when they push it on to others and try to force a binary.
Danny Rand is alive
>>80711169
Yeah, what the hell?
Why is it impossible for anyone to discuss this show without bringing up race?
>>80711461
Shou-Lao will be covered in shadow, and KL will just be the inside of a Dojo, won't it?
>>80711692
Because, unlike Dr. Strange, Marvel layed on Danny Rand's casting for over a YEAR AND A HALF. This allowed the #AAIronFist campaign to build, also with numerous think-pieces.
>>80711692
It's ironic since he is seriously one of the /whitest/ characters you could ever try and "race-bend".
>>80711180
>yfw this will never stop
Oh God.
I hope he's still an egg, for God's sake. Otherwise what's the point?
So, it's gonna be a magical Kung-Fu show, set in NYC? Sounds different.
>>80711751
no, it's cause /co/ blows up SJW campaigns to much larger things than they really are. There are a few people saying this, but who fucking cares. There are always people who will bitch, just leave it alone and quite giving them a bigger voice than they have.
/co/ is SJW's loudspeaker
>>80712408
Not that I disagree with you about /co/ amplifying their voices, but how long Marvel actually took to get the project of the ground was definitely a factor. All the rumours of the problems they were having (His mystical nature, some thought his race may have been an issue), it gave people time to latch on to the hope Marvel may make him Asian(American).
>>80712408
>/co/ blew it up
Nigga fucking fat Kev Smith was bitching about them picking a white guy on his podcast. /co/ had nothing to do with this one
>>80710458
>characers first ever introduction to the big live action universe
>changes core things
>>80712627
Hope it's just an error on EW part, problem is this will spread.
>>80711461
I don't think for Netflix, but for Perlmutter...
>>80710458
>4 years
>>80712610
You thought he would have done his research. Iron Fist is one of those characters you can't race-bend without changing the character significantly.
>>80713618
He was too busy crying to do research
>>80712610
In that same podcast he was praising Mark Millar for being such a great, creative writer.
>>80713653
Why? There definitely needs to be more Asian heroes, and of other races. Iron Fist (At least Danny) just doesn't work.
>>80713714
Because everything makes him cry. Literally, everything. He starts crying when recounting a Batman story he once read. Or an episode of BTAS. Fatman on Batman might as well be "Smith starts crying - the podcast"
>>80713672
Millar can be an amazingly good writer.CAN be.
>>80710839
>>80710849
>>80710824
I'm not completely hype for Luke Cage until I see a trailer or have more information.
All I really want from it is for them to replicate the Daredevil hallway fight, but instead of kicking everyone's ass, he just walks through it plowing them and send them flying against the walls without a change in his step or his pissed off face.
>>80713814
I may be alone in this, but I feel like The Unfunnies has a good premise and could have potentially been a great story if the writing wasn't shit. Millar needs to understand pacing and subtlety.
>>80710824
I think they were saving his personality for his own show.
>>80713341
Mte
>For what purpose?
>>80713714
No we don't. Asians are 5% of the US population. If people want to see Asian heroes, they can always read stuff from the Japs and other Orientals.
>yfw Luke Cage goes full blaxploitation
>>80715748
>>80715690
Asian-Americans are talking about Asians of American descent in American media and culture. They shouldn't have to look to another country( they may have no ties with) just to see people that look like them. This is why they're so frustrated and jumped onto Iron Fist. The representation and job opportunities need to be there.
>>80715748
No, it won't. Mike Colter was not here for that. (Although, I hope we get a '70's night episode and he goes all out.)
>>80716115
I'm more interested in seeing how they handle Cottonmouth and Shades.
>>80716163
Don't Shades' shades have lasers in them? Ah, they'll probably nerf it.
>>80716066
Asians have no cause to jump on the Oppression Olympics bandwagon. There's over 4 billion of them in the world and they at least have long history of civilization to fall back on. Non-Asian Americans don't want to see them on TV and movies because they're too alien. You can't relate to a dude from India or China because they have a vastly different mentality and cultural outlook.
>They shouldn't have to look to another country( they may have no ties with) just to see people that look like them.
This is still a predominantly white country the last time I checked. Hollywood is dominated by white men and women. Don't like it? Either STFU, make your own stuff, or go back to where you came from.
>This is why they're so frustrated and jumped onto Iron Fist.
Which was retarded as fuck because none of those fuckwits actually read Iron Fist and just wanted to equate kung fu = Asians even though whites and blacks are better fighters than them.
>The representation and job opportunities need to be there.
They're only FIVE percent. They've already had enough representation like Agent May and Daisy.
As for job opportunities, the last time I checked, Asians get into Ivy League schools and work high-salary white-collar jobs. They've got nothing to complain about.
>>80716205
Yeah, and Cottonmouth has razors for teeth.
They'll nerf both for sure, but I want to see how will they allude to their powers in the context of the story. Shades will probably buy a laser machine to try and pierce Luke's skin and kill him, or something of that order.
>>80716257
Well, I definitely understand why they changed him from a cane-welding pimp, to a shady night-club owner. It makes me wonder how his villians are gonna challenge him (at least physically) his skin is indestructible.
>>80716474
Shove a grenade down his throat and wear the dude as a suit.
Sounds like a Punisher kills the Marvel Universe kind of deal.
>>80716520
Well... That's certainly one way to kill him. That's a more long-term solution, though. Dude, needs to return as the lead in additional seasons.
>>80711461
>Kunlun being too rich for Netflix's blood
They could say screw it and reuse as much shit as they can from Marco Polo.
>>80716852
Yup, the choreographer is already the same guy. Now they only need the costumes, the sets and the actors. Since the sets are really in China, they'll need to book a couple of flights. Maybe the interiors are in America.
>>80716474
Jessica already put him into a coma, so he can take damage.
>>80710458
Different in this context means different from the other three shows, not the comics.
>>80717046
Pretty it's just his exterior that's impervious, not his internals. A swallowed grenade would kill him. Heck, he would probably choke first.
>>80717148
I got that, just the "four years" threw me.
>>80717157
How long do you think it takes to choke? and How long do you think it takes for a grenade to go off?
>>80717190
Yeah, maybe they'll change that from the comics. It'd be pretty stupid, but it's probably a mistake.
>>80716899
I think they have a contract to shoot on location in NYC. I'm just not sure what percentage has to be shot in NYC, though.
>>80717239
That would be a /huge/ fucking change.
>>80717252
Well, most of the story happens NY-side. I'm sure they'd have no problem in shooting a couple of stuff in China for one episode or two.
Especially since Netflix is trying to expand into Asian markets.
>>80717310
Watch as china loves Iron fist and they don't care that he's white.
>>80717493
The concept of a "White-Chinese"/"American-Asian" guy may be amusing (and somewhat adorable) for some of them.
>>80717493
Chinese like White guys. Their famous people do surgery to their eyelids to look whiter.
The only people complaining are Asian Americans because they've caught the recreationally-offended gene that's brewing over there. Even Europe gives no fuck about it. No language I know uses 'African American' to describe Black American people outside tumblr.
Charlize Theron is African American, Mike Colter is a Black American.
For fuck's sake, I have a black friend of mine that everyone calls 'Preta' instead of her name, it literally means '(female)black', and she requests that friends call her that. The politically correct word here is to call people 'dark' and 'black' is slightly stronger, but no one gets offended by it. Fuck America's pussification, really, nobody else gives a fuck.
>>80717493
Is China gonna get Netflix?
>>80717871
Probably not, too much content that they'd have to censor.
They'd probably lose 4/5th of the catalog.
>>80717916
Probably more than that, Chinese censorship is quite stringent.
When do you think Marvel will officially confirm Finn Jones is Danny Rand?
>>80717310
Hopefully, I would really like to see some flashback episodes to past Iron Fists.
If I see the term "Cultural Appropriation" applied to Danny's character one more time, I may scream.
How much magic do you think we'll see?
>>80710458
Make Kun Lun look like China from Marco Polo
Get the martial arts dude from that show
Actually have people fight instead of pouting and moping like JJ and DD
The end
>>80720761
Well, the fight choreographer is from Marco Polo.
>>80720761
They'll most likely be some moping, though.
>>80720265
Little. Writing this comes before Dr. Strange comes out. So it'll be generic enough to link it later on. Although magic shouldn't really have to be explained, and they already introduced meditation-healing in Daredevil.
>>80721380
We gotta have some glowy fist action, though right?
>>80721903
Well, yeah, but I don't think we're going to delve into magic lore or anything. He'll use it, but not explain it or depend on it besides punches.
>>80722015
We'll probably see more mystic shit, season 2 and beyond.
So I never finished Jessica Jones. Did they ever explain how Reva got her hands on the tapes of the experiments? I thought it was because she was a part of it too, or maybe that Like was a part of it, but Kilgrave didn't seem interested in either of them much, so how would she have gotten her hands on a USB of child experiments?
>>80711481
>Sweet buzzwords, got an independent thought to go with 'em, faggot?
Iron Fist can be any race, but Asian as anal pushers like you are demanding to have the most racist and offensive thing possible for "political correctness". Can't really be independent when like minded people have already said it
Whoa, since when did Iron Fist become an Anime?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YNds2YOtIng
>>80710821
He'll just spend four years on the cage fighting circuits before he comes home. Won't even go to Asia, won't learn kung fu, won't have anything to do with that ridiculous backstory.
>>80711011
It is if they had bad experiences working with child actors, or maybe the director isn't allowed or doesn't like to work with children.
>>80710946
If they're not using that backstory, there's no need to show him aged nine.
>>80722868
>Iron Fist can be any race, but Asian as anal pushers like you are demanding to have the most racist and offensive thing possible for "political correctness"
Show me where I ever said that, you strawmanning, buzzwording, bowl of oversensitivity and rehearsed arguments.
>>80722868
In KL sure, he could be any race that doesn't look like the majority. However, Danny's Iron Fist story doesn't just rely on KL.
>>80711692
Lol seriously. I'm looking up Iron Fist on youtube, and I'm just finding podcast, after podcast of people talking about his casting and/or race.
>>80723051
>Won't even go to Asia, won't learn kung fu, won't have anything to do with that ridiculous backstory.
If he doesn't grow up in K'un L'un then he's not Iron Fist.
That's like Batman's parents being alive.
>>80722868
>Iron Fist can be any race
No, being white is important. He needs to be both a discriminated minority in K'un L'un and a privileged majority in NYC.
>>80724652
This, F.A.M. You don't fuck that shit up.
>>80724770
>implying privilege is based on sex, sexuality, or race and isn't purely based on wealth
/co/mblr
>>80724229
Speaking of which I'm listening to this. 21:00 onwards makes some very good points. In which a lot of the people against Danny being white miss out/straight up ignore.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-N0lfFU5bo8
>scott buck in charge
>responsible for the final 4 seasons of dexter
>running the best show of its time into the ground.
worried...
>>80710458
He should say TOH with every blow
Do you tguys hink he is going to name every punch he gives?
Like voice over his attacks?
>>80725183
As an animefag I would be absolutely overjoyed if this happened.
>>80724911
Who they thought was cast as Wong was wrong, but they are completely right about Danny and the people closest to him/those he interacts with are a "melting-pot", and that should be celebrated.
>>80720852
>>80720761
is marco polo good?
>>80723009
its marvel dick wars
>>80724803
>>80724652
All he has to do to legitimately be a character called "Iron Fist" is fight, with his fists.
Nobody wants a repeat of those embarrassing David Carradine movies.
does is have to be kung fu though? I would prefer something that at least isn't silly even by fictional standards
>>80725413
fight me, faggot.
>>80725468
I will, and I will use my superior nihon skills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOdFf1qZyp4
>>80725413
I don't think they'll go with actual kung fu, shit looks too goofy and I'm pretty sure they're aware of that. They'll go with some boxing/ufc hybrid thing that looks good and realistic.
>>80725410
>>80725413
Jesus Christ, I've never said this before, but I wish /tv/ would fucking leave. Do you know why he's called Iron Fist? Literally that thing, where his hand burns and his punches get stronger? THAT IS. His FIST becomes like IRON.
Yes, he needs to be from K'un L'un. Yes, he needs to fight the immortal dragon. These are major plot points of the character.
That's like Superman not being an alien.
>>80725410
Disgusting
>>80725413
>>80725410
Disgusting
Marvel has been pretty good at keeping with the roots of the characters, why /tv/ fags insist on changing that?
>>80725413
Jesus Christ.
>>80725413
leave
>>80725109
I think his hands were tied, though. Didnt showtime let them kill anyone, but the main character?
>>80725468
>>80725563
>>80725628
>>80725742
>>80726005
why the fuck is jackie chans defense force out right now?
look at this silly bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ma8keQHK0
>>80725563
>Yes, he needs to be from K'un L'un. Yes, he needs to fight the immortal dragon. These are major plot points of the character.
No, these are embarrassing holdovers from the 1970s. He's literally a ripoff of a ripoff, a sanitized and americanized version of the kung-fu craze of four decades ago.
He's never been popular, he's never really broken out and had stories of his own. He's a niche character whose background is expendable and better kept vague.
Or did you really think they'd dedicate two thirds of their screen time to flashbacks or prologue in an expensive city setting? Do you know how much crowd scenes cost, even without putting them in medieval china? It's Netflix, what did you think they were going to do?
If you can't afford to do the story, you don't. So they won't.
His name is Iron Fist. Everything else is expendable. Do you think an immortal dragon really fits with the MCU? Do you think it really fits with Netflix Marvel?
>>80726083
literally fuck off
>>80726120
this is bait
>>80726120
>Or did you really think they'd dedicate two thirds of their screen time to flashbacks or prologue in an expensive city setting? Do you know how much crowd scenes cost, even without putting them in medieval china? It's Netflix
guess you havent seen the new crouching tiger produced by netflix. its possible. Netflix is a major broadcaster now.
>>80724891
Wealth is the most substantial privilege, but pretending that your race and gender don't affect how you're treated is being willfully ignorant.
>>80711461
>Kunlun being too rich for Netflix's blood
>Didn't watch Marco Polo
Now, Marco Polo was a pretty fucking lame show, but it had production value.
>>80726450
That's not the systems problem, that's the peoples'
>>80726529
a people problem becomes a system problem
>>80717651
>The only people complaining are Asian Americans because they've caught the recreationally-offended gene that's brewing over there.
What gives? Since when did they start doing this?
>>80726496
The only lame part of it would be the plot and story, but Iron Fist comes with its own. Everything else was pretty cool.
>>80726120
>Do you think an immortal dragon really fits with the MCU?
we have dr strange in the mcu. what the fuck are you talking about?
>>80726120
I think this might be bait.
>>80726529
People are the system, and the system is people.
>>80726120
>>80711496
>enabling Tumblrinas
How?
>>80722543
I think that be expanded upon in Luke Cage.
>>80728352
*will be
>>80727657
what country are you from?
>>80725410
No, it's more than that. Plus, Kung-Fu was a series, not a movie. And, Danny isn't like that, so...
>>80726496
>>80726366
Seen both. I think it's safe to argue that they're below-average as far as Netflix originals go. But I digress. If passable VFX isn't a problem then what could necessitate tweaking IF's origin story like that? Is article in OP even accurate? Hence the paranoia.
>>80725156
>TOH?
>>80729074
The Iron Fist fandom has been on tenter hooks these past couples of years. They're tender.
>>80725383
Que?
>>80729727
He meant Disk Wars
>>80728537
Burgerland.
>>80725413
>>80725519
Are you fucking serious
>>80726083
that's fucking drunken boxing you faggot
>>80729074
Marco Polo was the biggest budget thing Netflix has ever done, it blew everything else out of the water. The end product may not have been the best thing but the production value was there.
