>During a Q&A on Tumblr, "Arrow" executive producer Marc Guggenheim revealed Deathstroke is unlikely to return on the show due to the character's involvement in another unspecified DC project.
>When asked whether Slade Wilson or Walter Steele will reappear on the show, he replied, "The character of Slade Wilson is currently tied up in another DC project. Walter is more likely."
>Prior to Deathstroke, characters like Deadshot and a potential Harley Quinn -- both of whom will show up in "Suicide Squad" -- were also removed from "Arrow's" roster, and many fans believe this is due to their appearances in the upcoming film. Though Guggenheim says Amanda Waller's death "wasn’t mandated by DC," some fans believe she was killed off in a recent episode of "Arrow" for this same reason. Since Deathstroke will not return to "Arrow" because of his ties to another project, some speculate this may mean the character is headed to film himself, though it isn't clear which or when.
>"You said that only Deadshot was off-limits, and Amanda Waller & Deathstroke are safe," said another fan. "But you guys killed Waller off just like that, and she doesn't seem like she will ever return(Because bullet to head). Who's next to be killed off? Katana? Once Deathstroke arrives in the DC movie, will he be also killed off too?"
>To which Guggenheim responded, "Um… I never said that."
I know the actor wasn't keen on coming back anyways, but that's still a bummer.
>>79684939
Sorry, forgot link
http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/deathstroke-unlikely-return-arrow-says-marc-guggenheim
>>79684939
Alanon will never dawn the mask again
Bennett was actually interested in returning even though he was upset Slade jobbed to Thea.
>>79685097
I'm a bit surprised. Especially given how frickin' awesome he is in Shannara.
Good.
He went to shit the moment the he got injected with Mirakuru.
Just fuck my show up
Why does WB do this shit? Do they honestly think people are too stupid to grasp two separate versions of characters existing in different mediums?
>>79684939
So Scott Eastwood confirmed as Deathstroke in Suicide Squad then.
>>79685224
Yes, unless it's The Flash for some reason
>>79684939
I'm glad
His S3 appearance was one of the worst parts of a terrible season
well that settles that
>>79684939
He's a liar. The reason why he won't appear again is because the actor is involved in another project.
>been a GA fan since I was little
>currently has a steady comic series and a live action tv show
>can't stomach either
Did I wish on monkey's paw and forget about it?
>>79685335
>implying The Flash series will not be ended when production for The Flash movie starts
They are probably gonna see the reactions from the Justice League movie and pull the plug when the solo movie gets closer to being made
>>79685363
Doubtful, then he would have just said "Manu's busy so it's not happening." That sounds better and causes less animosity towards WB/DC. He'd only be lying if he wanted to cause that animosity.
>>79685410
Atleast grell is getting reprints thanks to the show.
>>79685410
The comic is good.
>>79685410
I get what he's feeling, but geez. You really shouldn't do that with a broadhead arrow. Those things are really sharp, you know?
Enjoy going to the ER because you are bleeding like a pig and risking damaging some tendons like a dumbass.
Good fucking work Ollie.
>>79685430
>Doubtful, then he would have just said "Manu's busy so it's not happening
But then he wouldn't be lying.
>causes less animosity towards WB/DC. He'd only be lying if he wanted to cause that animosity.
Why would he want that? This " we aren't allowed to use the characters we want because if WB" controversy is creating buzz, it's basically the only thing people discuss about his shitty show. Not to mention he's playing the victim card and everyone wants to defended the underdog.
>>79685491
I'm glad no Helena. They butchered her character and her actress was horrible.
>>79685534
she was hot though
>>79685224
Yes.
>>79685224
Because people ARE too stupid.
I am still seeing people who don't understand why are there gonna be two Flashes. And not in the "it's stupid" way but legitimately not understanding that they're two different things.
>>79685329
Nice to have more confirmation.
>>79685329
He's Nemesis
>>79685224
They are dude. I've had conversations, recently mind you, with people who are STILL not clear on the fact that DCEU Batman and Nolan Batman are completely different characters.
Looks like Deathstroke is gonna be in suicide squad 2 or is the MV in the Batman movie
>>79685497
Reading between the lines, what he pretty much said about Waller was they killed her out of spite. They didn't have to, but because the actress was busy and the SS movie had them needing to quiet down a few chars, they decided to axe them all. That isn't really mature decision making. That is infantile, pathetic and above all unprofessional. I'm hoping he gets booted after this season. Gugs has pulled enough crap to warrant it, tbqh.
>>79685436
How is the comic good?
Beard returning doesn't count.
Nrama: Solicitations for upcoming issues also indicate we'll see Tarantula again. How would you describe that character and her relationship with Ollie? What role does she play going forward?
Percy: Ollie has the bad habit of falling in love every time he turns around. He has a history as a playboy, and I’ve included that characterization in this first year of stories, but only because I want to move meaningfully past it. Then readers can appreciate an arc, a change. Tarantula is part of his transition into growing up and settling into a serious relationship. Who will that be with? I’ve dropped hints in several issues. You’ll know very soon, and Green Arrow fans are going to be very, very happy about it. Of this I am certain. I wonder >>79685677
>>79685633
The thing is, people that don't get it also don't care and watch it anyway. It's silly to go to such extreme lenghts to preserve them.
They fucked Deathstroke up anyway in Arrow
Manu was very vocal about his displeasure with the show
I doubt they'd want him back even if they could get him
too much ego
so now they are trying to get the fans back on their side by saying WB films is using the character and they are the victims in all this and it wasn't just their terrible writing that's keeping slade out of the show.
>>79685677
It's well written and Ollie feels like Ollie.
LOL this is such a lie and spin master BS
Manu already talked shit about how dumb their use of Deathstroke was in season 3.
I doubt he'd want to come back to the show.
>>79684939
And you faggots said the embargoes were no more.
>>79685631
The difference with the Flash is that they have an in-show explination for it and both Flashes can co-exist, because fans of the TV show without the education to understand the logic behind an 'interpretation' will just go: "Oh, I see! Another Earth, right?".
>>79684939
Callan Mulvey is in BvS. Rumor is he's KGBeast, but I think he's Deathstroke and is a go-between for Luthor and Waller that will help the movie transition to Suicide Squad.Mulvey is also already blind in one eye and would look cool with an eyepatch. POETRY!
>>79685638
or more likely it's >>79685329
>>79685157
This, fuck this show. If all you're going to do is ruin these characters then you deserve it.
>>79685779
>spoiler
You might be on to something
>>79685421
All those poor fangirls who want to watch something other than supernatural.
>>79685638
But Deathstroke is supposed to be this old guy who can still kick your ass. Young Eastwood is too young.
>>79685860
....what if they use old Eastwood?
>>79685779
>spoiler
Now that would be rad
>>79685860
Isn't he young in the comics right now?
>>79685769
He already said he would.
>>79685729
I don't disagree, but that's a different discussion. Point is, they do have a reason to do what they're doing, even if it"s not necessary.
>>79685886
Old Eastwood is too old to do stunts.
>>79685778
WB would gladly axe the show if they could.
>>79685902
yes
>>79685740
Percy's Ollie is wooden as fuck though and he still doesn't have a handle on comic based pacing. I'll admit the ham fisted morality and self defeating is Green Arrow to a t but he lacks the charm and wit to be considered a lovable loser. He's just a whiny loser.
>>79686001
He's not wooden though.
>>79685902
yes and its terrible
No real reason to turn him young besides ageism and Manu inexplicably not being older in Arrow
>>79685983
If only people could be hired to do stunts for him
so are they going to cancel the flash? you know, with the movie coming up and the VAST confusion a character appearing in two different franchises would create?
>>79685224
People already get confused with the whole quicksilver/Scarlet Witch thing between Disney and Fox.
>>79686120
as soon as principal photography of solo Flash movie begins
>>79686078
No reason to look for an actor that resembles a certain artist's rendition of the character either. Manu was a great fit because of his intensity but when they added the Frey hairs I cringed. It's such a shitty "wink wink viewers" moment.
>>79686120
Depends. They introduced the concept of alternate earths in the Flash TV series, so even the most retarded of tards can go watch a Flash movie, look at the TV show, and be like "Oh! That must be another earth!"
>>79686140
supergirl as well then. the DCEU comics already introduced kara, so she'll be appearing at some point
>>79686125
For good reason in that case.
>>79686125
Most people don't realize the X-Men and Spider-Man movies aren't connected to the Marvel movies.
Sometimes they wonder why Batman hasn't teamed up with Iron Man yet.
>>79686181
Depends on who will play supergirl and how much important her presence will be in DCEU
Arrowverse confirmed for never having anything but E-listers appearing in it
>>79686237
Flash aint E Lister though
>>79686188
I even saw a lot of confusion from people commenting batman can't fight superman because they don't live in the same universe, no shit
>>79686237
>The Green Arrow franchise should use other(in most cases better) characters as supporting cast in one or two episodes oers season instead of using it's own characters and villains.
Sure buddy.
>>79686256
Wen they kill Barry and make Wally main character then it will go down hill.
>>79686265
christ
>>79685491
>no Constantine per DC
Why? They obviously don't have a plan for him, and JL Dark isn't anywhere on DC's film schedule.
>no Deathstroke or GL due to features
But we have a Flash TV show, you fucking idiots. Besides that the GL movie isn't out for another four years, which leaves plenty of time.
Also:
>specifically call it the DC EXTENDED Universe, not the DC Cinematic Universe
>confirm multiverse in Flash and now explore it with Flash coming to Supergirl universe
>still do embargo shit even though it won't affect continuity at all
FUCK off, DC.
>>79686360
My mom didn't know superman and batman were in the same universe. People can be retarded.
>>79686384
Because Constantine doesn't sync well with capes, they tried for years and put some genuinely good writers on it but it sucked. They just recently manage to salvage the character by separating him from capes.
>>79686393
She aint retarded anon, shes just a normal person like most of the rest of the world who dont give a shit about MUH COMICS
>>79686352
They will probably do it at the end of season 3, right when Flash movie starts filming
My sister thought batfleck is just nolan batman with a new actor, like james bond. although that one isn't that crazy really
>>79685983
Tell him that. The guy is probably in better shape than a lot of people half his age.
>>79686531
The irony is, they could do that, too and actually sync it with the TV series. Do you really need to know why and how the Flash is the fastest man alive for a movie-length story about him? Hell no.
>>79686582
>Do you really need to know why and how the Flash is the fastest man alive for a movie-length story about him?
A lot of people who will be viewing Flash for the first time might need it, which would be most of the movies audience
>>79684939
>due to the character's involvement in another unspecified DC project.
Titans.
>>79686360
What kind of way is that to greet the world?
>>79686606
"My name is Barry Allen. I'm the fastest man alive."
Brief montage of exposure to radiation or whatever they decide on.
Literally done. The Flash's origins aren't deep or anything. It's his character as a hero that appeals, not his fairly lame origin story.
the only tv show version that seriously needs pulling from the air is "black canary". jesus christ kill her already and do her properly in DCEU
>>79686120
No. Snyder talked about the show in an interview last week and said he loves it and that they're working with the multiverse.
>>79686709
it's a peculiar multiverse, where flash can have multiple iterations but no one else can.
>>79685224
Yes. They can't even grasp different versions of characters in the same medium.
I saw people who said unironically "Deadpool is the strongest cause he killed Marvel Universe and it's canon" on several occasions. Talked to one and he explained that it's canon because it's a comic book.
>>79686743
It has nothing to do with the multiverse.
The Flash is just popular enough to avoid the DC embargo, or some contract they have with CW prevents them from doing any of their stupid shit.
You guys need to stop thinking of DC or even Warner Brothers as some cohesive, well run outfit like Marvel or their parent Disney. They're not and they have no idea what they fuck they're doing.
>>79686806
I've seen that too. Almost as much as people siting Injustice as canon
>>79686896
>>79686896
the super-pill ruined those comics for me. i'm honestly not a batfag, but a batman on the same strength level as superman would ruin his shit in 0.2 seconds. fuck, Alfred beat superman into a coma on those
Good. Id actually love to see Deathstroke appear in the DCEU in either The Batman or Aquaman
>>79685497
I guess you're right, just look at this retard >>79686384
>>79685692
If that means Ollie and Dinah are getting back together than it's all been worth it. The first "pretty bird" is going to bring tears of joy.
>>79687625
way to completely miss the point of the discussion bro. we'd all want to see deathstroke in the DCEU, just that no one thinks that should mean removing him from the show.
>>79684939
Teen Titans?
I never cared much for the master planner/arch foe version from Arrow anyway. Give me the good old mercenary
>>79687165
Shit, that's a good point. On the other hand I didn't think about that because the way they set the story up for the game was complete bullshit anyway.
>>79687961
it's just Titans now. The teen part is too comic book-y
>>79687975
Should've done that from the get go and the whole Shado thing should've been a fake out by having Ollie think it's personal and then it turns out he was just hired to off him instead of doing the whole giant scheme bullshit
Alright take your bets, who hires Deathstroke in the DCEU?
>>79688083
Sure, that's why we got a damn animated movie where they are called Teen Titans.
>>79688127
Waller or Lex.
>>79688127
Lex Luthor and it's a revenge plan to get to Batman via Dick.
>>79688144
Animated =/= Live action
>People have been saying Scott Eastwood is Dick Grayson
>Now they're saying it's Slade Wilson
>Later it'll be Jericho
make up your minds
>>79688298
>Scott Eastwood
Hes too young for Slade anyway
>>79688176
This seems most likely.
>>79684939
Fuck this embargo shit and fuck DC
I'm not seeing a DC movie in theatres if they keep pulling this garbage
Good.
Arrow is awful now and his last appearance on the show was terrible.
>Um... I never said that
http://www.greenarrowtv.com/are-deathstroke-amanda-waller-now-off-the-table-for-arrow-marc-guggenheim-answers/23241/
>>79688298
He's Nemesis.
>>79685779
>>79688597Wrong eye, I now. But Mulvey is blind in his left eye.
>>79688620
But that is HIS left eye
:^)
>>79685491
>Constantine is one off
Huh. Could have sworn there was mention that he was being tapped for the next season of LoT. Guess that was just a rumor then.
>>79686621
>>79688083
>>79687961
Titans was cancelled.
>>79688746
They also said that if he was well received that they'd bring him back.
>>79688831
Johns said DC knew it was coming and still has big plans for them outside of the JL v Titans movie
>>79688831
but Cyborg wasn't? jesus christ
>>79685779
He's legless Jimmy Olsen.
>>79689047
You're thinking of Scoot McNairy.
>>79684939
Hey, /co/mrades. Remember that time you all came over yourself because the Hollywood Reporter published a fluff piece on Kevin Tsujihara months after he was promoted to his current position, and he said that things were being done differently at WB and that movies would no longer be prioritized over TV and that everyone would be able to play with whatever toys they wanted to, even though it was published right after Deadshot was killed off in Arrow S3, and Berlanti said he was not able to use the character anymore? I told you it was bullshit then, and I'll tell you that it was bullshit again. WB is fucking cancer, and live action DC will always be held back by its ownership.
>>79689120
>WB is fucking cancer, and live action DC will always be held back by its ownership.
Eh, I like the embargo. DCTV is like a crazy testbed where they try out ideas for characters and concepts before retiring them to use polished versions in movies. We also get to have really obscure characters brought up. I mean, Jesus we're getting King Shark and Deathstorm incoming.
>>79688352
They deaged Deathstroke in the comics to set him up being young in the movies.
>>79689120
>http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-cw-warner-bros-dc-the-flash-arrow-1201646970/
>Soon after Kevin Tsujihara took over as Warner Bros. chairman-CEO, he made the decision to break with protocol from the previous regime — a change that would have a profound effect on the studio. At an early strategy session, senior execs recall him issuing a new edict: DC Entertainment is open for business across the lot.
>Tsujihara made it clear that the vast archive of comic-book characters in the DC vault would no longer be under the tight control of Warner Bros.’ film division. WB’s television and interactive units would have new flexibility to develop projects derived from the properties, even if they were concurrently being eyed for movie projects.
>He established the studio’s equivalent of the Justice League. Every two weeks, top execs including DC Entertainment’s Diane Nelson and Geoff Johns, Warner Bros. Pictures’ Sue Kroll and Greg Silverman and Warner Bros. TV’s Peter Roth gather with Tsujihara to talk about all things DC, and coordinate strategies.
>The group aims to be respectful of one another’s goals, and mindful of the danger of flooding the market with too much product. But TV, video games and consumer products no longer take a back seat to film. Prolific producer Greg Berlanti is approaching superhero status himself on the WB lot for his success in steering the DC-derived series — “The Flash” and “Arrow” (plus another on tap for midseason, “Legends of Tomorrow”) — that have turned around the fortunes of the CW, which Warner Bros. jointly owns with CBS Corp.
>>79689453
>“If there are any issues or sensitivities, we hash it out in the room,” says Nelson, president of DC Entertainment. “It no longer feels like a hierarchical situation where film will trump television.” Nelson is one of Tsujihara’s closest lieutenants, and she also serves as president of Warner Bros. Consumer Products and president and chief creative officer of Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment. “It’s a basic example of communication,” she adds. “You have to have the CEO of the company actively involved to make it work effectively.”
>The company-wide inclusiveness regarding DC reflects a broader shift in operations under Tsujihara, WB veterans say. Communication and collaboration among key divisions are not just encouraged, they’re mandated for senior management. Studio insiders say Tsujihara has stressed that the silo mentality of the past won’t do. The same tear-down-this-wall ethos has been applied to Warner Bros. and its Time Warner sibling units, HBO and Turner Broadcasting, as Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes has frequently emphasized to Wall Street.
>“It’s a high priority for us,” Tsujihara says of cross-Time Warner collaboration efforts. “We are all facing different challenges, creating a real urgency for us to work together. … I think the cultures of each of the businesses are changing, and the culture of Time Warner is changing.”
>Tsujihara moved into his job in March 2013, a few months after Richard Plepler was elevated to chairman-CEO at HBO. Former Time Warner chief financial officer John Martin took over as CEO of Turner Broadcasting in January 2014. The leadership change at Time Warner’s three pillars also took effect as Bewkes completed the spinoff of publishing arm Time Inc. in June 2014. These were the final touches on his mission to streamline the conglomerate into a film, TV and digital content-focused enterprise.
>>79689477
>With newly installed CEOs running the profit centers of a smaller company overall, it was natural for Tsujihara, Plepler and Martin to put their heads together in tackling myriad issues.
>The results have paid dividends both big and small. Twenty-five years after Warner Bros. TV and HBO were united under the Time Warner umbrella, WBTV last year produced its first series for the premium cabler — drama “The Leftovers,” now in its second season. Early next year, HBO will add a second show, the J.J. Abrams-Jonathan Nolan drama “Westworld,” based on the camp ’70s sci-fi movie. And Warner Bros. Animation is producing more series for Turner’s Cartoon Network than ever before, and collaborating on consumer products initiatives.
>The studio has moved into other new arenas, such as producing original series for Netflix — an animated take on “Green Eggs and Ham” from Ellen DeGeneres’ WBTV-based production banner. It took some doing to sort out the business terms on that deal, but it’s seen as an investment in the future of premium content.
>“The mandate is to produce quality shows. If we do that, we will be able to monetize them,” says Peter Roth, president and chief content officer of Warner Bros. TV Group. “Our job is to be in business with the best creative talent, and deliver shows with the kind of quality that will have a long lifespan. It’s been exciting for our (WBTV exec) team and for our talent to move into new areas of the business.”
>The sense of urgency at Warners to make a change in the way things had been done with DC is fueled by the runaway success Marvel is enjoying as part of Disney.
>>79684939
>Arrow will never be season 2-tier again
>>79689501
>Warner Bros. has been the home of DC ever since Steve Ross’ Kinney Corp. took over the studio in 1969 (Kinney acquired what was then National Periodical Publications in 1967). But successful film and TV adaptations have come in fits and starts. Warners mined gold from DC Comics in the late 1970s and early ’80s with Christopher Reeve’s “Superman” series; in the 1980s and early 1990s with Michael Keaton’s “Batman” and its successors; and more recently with the long-running WB/CW series “Smallville” and Christopher Nolan’s “Dark Knight” film trilogy.
>But Marvel’s run at the box office with franchises including “Spider-Man” (through Sony), “X-Men” (through Fox), and in-house properties like “Captain America,” “Iron Man” and most recently “The Avengers,” put the spotlight on how effectively comic-book properties can be managed on a timetable to provide steady — and predictable — returns.
>In 2009, Warner Bros. restructured DC Comics to create DC Entertainment — in a comic-book-worthy twist of fate, the same week Disney announced its stealth $4 billion purchase of Marvel Entertainment. The goal was to turn DC, now led by Nelson, a respected studio marketing vet who made her mark shepherding the “Harry Potter” film franchise, into a “feeder” of source material for all WB divisions, while maintaining a big presence in comic-book publishing. In practice, however, because Nelson reported to then Warner Bros. Pictures chief Jeff Robinov, the focus remained highly film-centric.
>That pecking order had been set a decade earlier, in 1999, sources say, when the WB Network (now the CW) was hot on a “Batman” prequel script from writer Tim McCanlies that revolved around the youthful adventures of Bruce Wayne. The project was shut down before it got to the pilot production stage after WB Pictures execs got wind of it, and worried that it would muck up their plans to revive “Batman” on the big screen.
>>79689525
>The WB Network was allowed to pursue a similar concept for Superman, which yielded the 10-year success of “Smallville,” but the earlier sting lingered.
>After Tsujihara became CEO, Nelson shifted to a dual reporting structure — to Tsujihara and Robinov — as she also took over home entertainment and video games. By the time Robinov left the studio in July that year, Tsujihara had laid down his DC manifesto, and Nelson has since reported directly to him. The two have worked closely together throughout their respective two decades-plus tenures at Warner Bros.
>With DC’s vault opened wide, Nelson and Johns, DC Entertainment’s chief creative officer, are working with the film team to plot an ambitious schedule of 10 films to be released over the next five years. At the same time, the WBTV team has put numerous projects into development, including “The Flash” for the CW. That would never have happened in the past, because “Flash” is also on the docket for a feature film in 2018.
>Inside of two years, Warner Bros. TV now has seven (and counting) primetime series derived from the comic-book imprints of DC and its subsidiary, Vertigo. Last year, the TV studio finally got its “Batman” prequel in the form of Fox’s “Gotham,” although the focus shifted from Bruce Wayne to Commissioner Gordon and Gotham City’s villains. Sources described that creative fillip as a sign of compromise between WB divisions as the film side tees up “Batman v Superman” next year.
>DC also has been the source of a short-form original series for TheWB.com digital channel, “Justice League: Gods and Monsters Chronicles.”
>Comic-book IP is prized by the studio because the shows tend to travel well overseas, and are sought after in syndication by SVOD players. Netflix pounced on “Gotham” even before the series premiered on Fox, striking a precedent-setting deal for rerun rights to the tune of $1.75 million an episode.
>>79689552
>Perhaps the biggest impact of the DC properties has been on the CW. “The Flash” and “Arrow” have become the backbone of a network that had been flagging and rudderless. CW also airs the femme-friendly “iZombie,” and has “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow” on tap for midseason. The appeal of these DC shows help CW maintain the SVOD output deals with Netflix and Hulu that have been crucial to its survival.
>After “The Flash” premiered last fall to CW’s highest ratings in more than five years, Berlanti got a call at his WB office asking him to stop in to see Tsujihara in the executive office building. “That was the first time that ever happened to me,” Berlanti says. The producer made sure he brought along a few prototypes of “The Flash”-derived action figures that Consumer Products was about to unleash.
>“He was excited about the character and Grant,” Berlanti says. And that enthusiasm has not waned. “You can tell that he really loves the show. He always talks to us about watching it with his kids. You get a sense that he’s really invested,” he says.
>At Warner Bros. these days, success is all about sharing.
I THOUGHT THE EMBARGO WAS DEAD! YOU SAID THE EMBARGO WAS DEAD! I TRUSTED YOU! I TRUSTED YYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>79689720
literally no one ever said that
>>79686854
Is that why AoS had its premise pulled out from underneath it midway though its first season?
Marvels TV and movie sides don't interact much because Kevin Feiges ex-boss still runs the TV side of the MCU.
Even if DC doesn't know what its doing Marvel is doing as badly on broadcast TV. Agent Carter is under 3 million viewers now because the only interesting thing about the show is the title character and AoS, on ABC, is barely doing better than The Flash which is on the CW.
They should introduce Felicity to the DC movie universe.
>>79689235
>DCTV is like a crazy testbed
>testbed
Fuck this. If they're going to stand by the explanation that movies and TV aren't crossing over because they exist in a multiverse, then no. TV is not a tesbed. TV is its own arena that should be allowed to use whatever it wants as long as it wants with no concern of or restriction brought about be movie plans. Using TV like a test bed until something is shown to have profitability potential is how things used to be done that supposedly is not how they're being done anymore. The problem with being okay with this is that yes, we are getting King Shark, and Deathstorm, until we might not have them anymore. the movie division is run by asshats by Goyer who don't have the balls to try J'onn J'onz because only virgins know about him, while Berlanti says fuck that, and not only features him, but does so prominently in Supergirl. It is bullshit that TV is where those with balls are taking the risk, and showing no shame about the source material, yet as soon as these concepts are shown as viable and not as risky as the movie division originally thought, the movie division scoops them up, restricts their further use on TV, and collects the profit and the glory, and that, in my mind is fucked up on countless levels. If movies want to poach concepts from TV? Fine. Let them. But don't prohibit TV from continuing to use them. If you're afraid that audiences won't understand multiple versions of the same character, boo fucking hoo. I guess the movie division should have had the big balls and stepped up to use them before TV did.
>>79685692
>Tarantual
You mean the chick who raped Nightwing?
>>79689755
Actually the CEO of WB said that. See >>79689453
>Tsujihara made it clear that the vast archive of comic-book characters in the DC vault would no longer be under the tight control of Warner Bros.’ film division. WB’s television and interactive units would have new flexibility to develop projects derived from the properties, even if they were concurrently being eyed for movie projects.
>>79689838
Seriously fuck off Guggenheim. If you didn't butcher every character ever maybe this wouldn't have happened.
>>79688921
They can't cancel Cyborg. DC doesn't want a Social Media shitstorm. I think the only way they could get away with it would be to announce John Stewart as GL and make sure everybody knows Cyborg is the leader of the TT.
>>79689824
Spoiler! Felicity shows up at the end of BvS to talk to them about the Justice League Initiative.
>>79689868
That her.
>>79689893
I'd take Berlanti and Guggenheim's DCU-lite over Alan Moore presents the DC Extended Universe every day of the week.
>>79689869
>no direct quote
writer of the article made an incorrect assumption, it happens
>>79689987
>MFW when Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman kneel before Felicity to annoint her as the true hero.
>>79690042
When Darkseid shows up she's going to give him a stern talking to and p'wn him! BOOM! Mic drop!
>>79685097
Bennett got assaulted a fan at some comic-con
he was never gonna come back to Arrow
>>79689987
You mean the Judicial Underground Superhuman Taskforce Initiative Convergence Elite?
>>79690031
Jesus, really? Read the rest of the article. It's full of Tsujihara expanding on that declaration.
>>79684939
Good. This way I won't get confused when I watch the movie and the show.
>>79686854
I don't blame them. Look at how bad AoSs ratings are and even though it takes place in the MCU it's equally as restricted from using certain characters. Why over saturate your own brand instead of giving your entire comics universe a chance to shine while also not limiting their story telling potential by making them all be in the same universe where they have to worry about what the movies are doing. I think what WB is doing is smart.
>>79690121
Really? Source?
>>79690224
this shit always reminds me of that community scene with a test audience for the american version of inspector spacetime
>So? What did everyone think?
>I was confused.
>And what confused you?
>The time travel mostly.
>Also the space travel.
>Hey, instead of this constable, what about a blonde with long legs and a tennis racket?
Anything else? How many clipboards you got?
>>79690011
Jesus Christ kill yourself.
>>79689838
>TV is not a tesbed.
Says who?
>Using TV like a test bed until something is shown to have profitability potential is how things used to be done that supposedly is not how they're being done anymore.
You're making a lot of statements that have no backing in reality.
>The problem with being okay with this is that yes, we are getting King Shark, and Deathstorm, until we might not have them anymore.
Which is cool. Then they move onto the next C/D-lister that we otherwise would have never seen and update them for modern times. I will go insane with glee if they get to Music Meister. This would never happen if we're stuck with the same old, same old villains and characters. Jesus, we got friggin Lady Cop for the sheer hell of it as well.
>the movie division is run by asshats by Goyer who don't have the balls to try J'onn J'onz because only virgins know about him, while Berlanti says fuck that, and not only features him, but does so prominently in Supergirl.
It's almost as if a serialized show featuring 24 1-hour episodes in a complete season has more time to bring in and flesh out obscure characters than a 2-hour movie.
>It is bullshit that TV is where those with balls are taking the risk, and showing no shame about the source material, yet as soon as these concepts are shown as viable and not as risky as the movie division originally thought, the movie division scoops them up, restricts their further use on TV, and collects the profit and the glory, and that, in my mind is fucked up on countless levels.
No, it's incredibly smart. TV takes comparatively less resources to make and if they make a misstep it's pretty easy to shunt it off to the side and forget about it. Berlanti and Guggenheim are essentially afforded free will to play with most whatever characters and move onto the next. And the movie division benefits from it because people are introduced to characters prior to the movie, allowing them to go "Oh! I know that guy!" and accept them more easily
>>79689794
>Is that why AoS had its premise pulled out from underneath it midway though its first season?
No, that was the plan from the start. Winter Soldier was already filming so AoS knew where things were headed.
>>79686854
>You guys need to stop thinking of DC or even Warner Brothers as some cohesive, well run outfit like Marvel or their parent Disney. They're not and they have no idea what they fuck they're doing.
>Marvel Studios threw the rest of Marvel under the bus after AoU didn't make more than the first Avengers and moved operations directly under Disney.
>Marvel Studios has no contact with the rest of Marvel and doesn't pay attention to the TV and Netflix side.
Sure buddy.
Wait when was waller killed off?
>>79690031
>“If there are any issues or sensitivities, we hash it out in the room,” says Nelson, president of DC Entertainment. “It no longer feels like a hierarchical situation where film will trump television.” Nelson is one of Tsujihara’s closest lieutenants, and she also serves as president of Warner Bros.
>The company-wide inclusiveness regarding DC reflects a broader shift in operations under Tsujihara, WB veterans say. Communication and collaboration among key divisions are not just encouraged, they’re mandated for senior management. Studio insiders say Tsujihara has stressed that the silo mentality of the past won’t do.
>“It’s a high priority for us,” Tsujihara says of cross-Time Warner collaboration efforts. “We are all facing different challenges, creating a real urgency for us to work together. … I think the cultures of each of the businesses are changing, and the culture of Time Warner is changing.”
>With DC’s vault opened wide, Nelson and Johns, DC Entertainment’s chief creative officer, are working with the film team to plot an ambitious schedule of 10 films to be released over the next five years. At the same time, the WBTV team has put numerous projects into development, including “The Flash” for the CW. That would never have happened in the past, because “Flash” is also on the docket for a feature film in 2018.
The entire article is about how the embargo has allegedly been removed. Hell it's fucking titled
>Superhero TV Thrives After Warner Bros. Loosens Film’s Grip on DC Entertainment
>>79690529
In a throwaway episode of Arrow with the main focus on Felicity. So, pick any from season 4, post-Lot-setup, really.
>>79690456
So they intentionally made the first half of the season a boring slog that turned off more than half the audience? Good to know.
>>79690439
>Says who?
>You're making a lot of statements that have no backing in reality.
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/the-cw-warner-bros-dc-the-flash-arrow-1201646970/
Don't wanna give them a click? start reading >>79689453
>Which is cool...
That is all perfectly reasonable. What it ignores is TV potentially not being able to tell stories they want to tell featuring characters that they made famous because the movie division tells them they can't. This potentially weakens the quality of product TV can produce in the longrun, and whether you already think it is shit or not, it getting worse because a sibling division is cannibalizing its content is not a good thing.
>It's almost as if...
Yes it is. So if that is the reason why the movie division didn't want to use a character previously, have movies as a storytelling format suddenly changed to where the need for longer time to develop a character is no longer an obstacle for them? Why was a character previously declared unusable for the reason suddenly usable?
>And the movie division benefits from it because people are introduced to characters prior to the movie, allowing them to go "Oh! I know that guy!" and accept them more easily
So you agree. TV does the work, and the movie division gets to ride their coattails and collect a check that TV's effort generated. It may be smart, but I'm still failing to see where it isn't unfair and fucked up. Something can be smart and fucked up at the same time.
Arrow lost something when it lost Slade. He carried lots of lackluster episodes and gave Season 2 the villain and momentum it needed in the backhalf that it needed to be remembered as the best season of Arrow.
>>79690543
literally nothing you quoted says the embargo is gone, it just means that they'll talk first before saying no
My first instinct here is always that executives are idiots who underestimate their audiences. but then you see all the comments on the internet and realize people really are that stupid. so depressing.
>>79690065
You mean Felicity hacks Darkseid and saves the day
>>79690865
movie division gets to ride their coattails and collect a check that TV's effort generated
Its not fucked up. Its just good business. Berlanti and whoever else still get paid for their convoluted mess of shows and the movies get a cool villain. Movies make more money than TV shows, especially shows on small networks like The CW. Also there really isn't any villain from Arrow that makes me go 'YES, we need THIS version of the character.' All the villains kind of suck except for Deathstroke and thats because he is Deathstroke.
>>79690942
>It no longer feels like a hierarchical situation where film will trump television.”
>the silo mentality of the past won’t do.
>At the same time, the WBTV team has put numerous projects into development, including “The Flash” for the CW. That would never have happened in the past, because “Flash” is also on the docket for a feature film in 2018.
Plus there is the fact that the entire article is about the alleged removal of the embargo. Just because the authors summary doesn't include a direct quote doesn't mean that it and the entire article don't spell it out. Just because they don't explicitly use the term "embargo" doesn't mean that what the embargo was isn't described and said to no longer be a practice at WB. You want to be a contrarian and deny it, I can just stop replying. That won't change the fact that the number one industry magazine published a publicity piece featuring interviews with the executives that make DC shows and movies where they said that everyone would be able to use everything, and that TV would no longer be prohibited from using a character because the film division has plans for it aka the embargo is done.
>>79691123
>Its not fucked up. Its just good business.
The two are not mutual exclusive concepts, in fact good business usually requires at least one person doing something fucked up.
>their convoluted mess of shows
Ah. So you don't like them. No wonder you're so keen to treat them like the red headed step child. I'm done speaking with you.
why don't they just make a netlfix deal like marvel and develop shows within DCEU? who wouldn't love a noirish Martian Manhunter detective show? You could even set it in the past or some shit so the events don't conflict with movies, and you could still use the character in movies. J'onn is very long-lived
>>79691238
Because you like The Vampire Diaries but with superheroes?
>>79691346
vampire diaries vampires ARE superheroes. in fact it's what most modern vampires are
>>79690865
>TV does the work, and the movie division gets to ride their coattails and collect a check that TV's effort generated. It may be smart, but I'm still failing to see where it isn't unfair and fucked up. Something can be smart and fucked up at the same time.
It's the same fucking company. Whatever division makes money is making money for the whole as well. Major League Baseball has a minor league where prospects are given time to develop until they're ready for the major leagues. I like what they're doing, despite whatever objections you may have. Man of Steel and the first season of Arrow had a very Nolan-inspired grounded feel to it. The second season of Arrow and Flash prepped the audience and showed that a more fantastical DC that embraced their comic book side can be great. Now BvS, SS and their other movies look to be really embracing their comic side.
WB and DC made this shift comparatively safely with little resources risked. The movie side is better for it. The TV side continues to do whatever crazy shit they want to try - from a time traveling ensemble show featuring Hawkman, Hawkgirl to Vandal Savage to having the Martian Manhunter as a supporting character to Supergirl and fighting White Martians.
As a consumer who enjoys both mediums, I'm benefitting from the setup. I'm getting a much more polished movie product and I'm getting a wild and unexpected ride from the TV shows that will keep me tuned in. It's great.
>>79691238
>I'm done speaking with you.
Typical. Can dish it out but can't take an opinion that differs.
>>79690865
>TV does the work, and the movie division gets to ride their coattails and collect a check that TV's effort generated.
And yet Marvel does the same thing, but in reverse. Where their TV products are so desperate for ratings that they take any chance to try and tie themselves to the movies to look like they matter.
>>79691648
why does everyone focus on that stupid abc show when the real tv universe in marvel is the defenders shows?
>>79690378
internet
>>79691588
>Now BvS, SS and their other movies look to be really embracing their comic side.
As long as by their comic side you mean their gritty Miller-esque, Moore deconstructionist phase. BvS still looks nowhere near as willing to embrace its comic book roots to me as the Flash did during its most reserved episodes. You're entitled to your opinion. I simply vehemently disagree with it. I still see the movies and TV divisions as having more different than they have in common.
>Can dish it out but can't take an opinion that differs.
Hardly. I simply see no way of convincing someone who sees no value in the TV product of why it should be protected from a risk I feel the movie division presents to it. He doesn't like the TV shows so there is no way he'll ever care about them potentially being made worse, because if they are it won't impact him beyond giving him an opportunity to shitpost about how happy he is because other anons are sad over the shows getting cancelled. As such, continuing to attempt to change his mind is irrational to me. That's a wonderful and almost certainly well thought out assumption you made though.
>>79691648
Little guy being helped by the big guy doesn't bother me. Big guy taking advantage of the little guy does.
InB4 Baneposting
>>79691971
So, it never happend. Good to know!
>>79691588
>SS is embracing its comic side
Hahahaha...read Skwad sometime. It'd be more accurate to say it shits all over it.
>>79692002
>asking for an internet source
>dismissing internet as a source
your brain is a marvel my friend
>>79692054
>Hey can I have a source?
>No, I can't provide one
>Ok, in that case, there probably isn't one, bye!
>Your brain is a marvel!
And yours seems to have suffered a DC.
>>79692001
>As long as by their comic side you mean their gritty Miller-esque, Moore deconstructionist phase. BvS still looks nowhere near as willing to embrace its comic book roots to me as the Flash did during its most reserved episodes
>Kryptonite
>Doomsday
>Parademons
>Fire Pits
>Darkseid
Your opinion is not only misguided but worthless.
>>79692157
for fucks sake, you type in manu bennet assault in google, how hard can it be?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3234078/The-Hobbit-actor-Manu-Bennett-arrested-charged-assault-following-altercation-Texas-Comic-Con.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3243521/Manu-Bennett-breaks-silence-following-news-arrest-assault-week-Comic-party.html
>finally get around to catching up on GA
>is a werewolf now
what the shit DC?
also, nice continuity in stories there
>conflict in >seattle to mexico at "dia de los muertos" (November 1)
>back in America for Halloween (October 31)
What the fudge man.
I GIVE UP.
Please kill off this shite, as well as this shitty TV series already, and finally kill me.
>>79692270
>“I stand by it, because for me, I’ve always said when I was working on WATCHMEN — and maybe it’s sort of left over from a WATCHMEN philosophical sort of thing — that there should be consequences to superheroes’ interaction with the earth. And that was kind of the way that we approached MAN OF STEEL. I wanted a big consequence to Superman’s arrival on earth. Certainly, BATMAN v SUPERMAN sort of cashes in all its chips on the ‘why’ of that destruction.”
Ahh. With your one image you've redeemed the entire movie none of us have seen, as well as the universe around it.
>>79692380
>Interview snippet talks about giving consequences to the destruction in MoS and casually alludes to his experience with Watchmen
>HHHHHHHUUUUUURRRRRRRRR MMOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRREEEEEE!
>HHHHHHHHUUUUUUURRRRRRRR MMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLEEEEEEERRRRRRR
>GGGGGGRRRRRRRTIIIIITTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYY
>All that stuff you saw in the trailer? Not really there!
You're an idiot.
>>79692926
>casually alludes to his experience with Watchmen
>I’ve always said when I was working on WATCHMEN — and maybe it’s sort of left over from a WATCHMEN philosophical sort of thing — that there should be consequences to superheroes’ interaction with the earth.
>All that stuff you saw in the trailer?
>society not trusting Superman
>DKR armor
>old grizzled Batman
>5000 year old Wonder Woman who has given up on the world of men
>more MoS tier destruction
>Batman fighting Superman
>Superman fighting Batman
>Superman threatening Batman
>BATMAN FIGHTING SUPERMAN
>SUPERMAN FIGHTING BATMAN
>90's the character as the muscle baddie
>Not really there!
Oh it's there.
>Deathstroke THE TERMINATOR
into the trash it goes.
How long until they shitcan all of the TV shows?
hopefully to stop the shitposting, i can tell i saw it as part of a test audience. we're not allowed to post spoilers so i won't, don't ask me. i can tell you it's a little more fun than MoS just because, obviously, you get to watch batman and superman interact with each other, but generally it's the same quality as MoS, if that's good or bad is up to you. you can tell it's the same guys making it. wonder woman was cool as fuck(maybe that's just me though, i genuinely like WW, and not just in the sexy pics way). doomsday was forgettable as fuck, lex was okay. basically a 6/10 movie, 7/10 if you're a comic book fan. if you like pre-n52 dc it's a 2/10
>>79693442
>we are not allowed to post spoilers
You're on an anonymous board, you sperg. No one'd believe you even if you did. Nice try, though. 1/10.
>>79693442
>>79693495
the lizard men who run studios know everything, anon. EVERYTHING
>>79688899
Well it might mean we're getting series of animated Titans moviesaka. the Love Story of Raven and Damian
>>79693442
My dad works for Nintendo and he says that the next game will introduce triple-type Pokemon.
>>79694199
i'm honestly not lying, if i was gonna make shit up it wouldn't be for this movie, i'm not a snyder or dc fan. it was just an average forgettable movie. wondy and mercy will give you a few boners and jena malone was pretty good and that's that. this day-to-day shitposting about something this average is exhausting. it's just a movie people. lower your expectations and you may actually enjoy it
>>79691296
Im sure once Game of Thrones is done, you'll see an attempt at something like that on HBO since Time Warner owns that channel.
>>79692037
The movie plot is straight out of Ostranders Squad you dunce. They just added some flashbacks to flesh out characters.
>>79694412
Comics over ten years old don't exist.
>>79694412
I don't recall any skwad prior to the nu-52 involving Harley and the Joker. Careful with that dunce cap.
>>79694675
that was before insanity became a superpower/combat skill though
>>79685983
What if young Eastwood had old Eastwood's head CGI'd on at the end.
>>79694675
Im talking about the plot, not the specific lineup. And even then, most of the lineup is from Ostranders very first story.
>>79694850
Well Scott looks exactly like what Clint used to look like so that's just crazy enough to work
>>79694353
>mercy
guys mariko yashida has infiltrated lex's operation. we crossover now
>>79685335
>>79685421
>>79685844
I doubt there is a reason to worry about Barry.
He'll be fine.
>>79684939
Actor is doing MTV shit. Also Geoff Johns said that while TNT passed on Titans that DC was planning something big with the team and therefore Deathstroke.
>>79694965
Except for the Joker and Harley, on whom the major focus will be. Don't kid yourself, dude. This is the nu-52 version, pure and simple.
>>79695230
Ok is Slade Wilson really the only Titan villain they can come up with given the cartoon or is there some comic rivalry Im not aware of. Because in my opinion Deathstroke only works as a main threat if hes working on behalf of another. Merc Slade>>>Master Manipulator Slade
>>79695348
>Merc Slade>>>Master Manipulator Slade
The truth
>>79695348
Read Judas Contract.
>>79686656
They did the origin story montage thing in Incredible Hulk and it's one of the weakest parts of the MCU.
>>79695496
That's because the movie in general is trash and the Hulk is pure shit in solo appearences which make him spend most of his time human.
>>79695392
This guy gets it. I say have The Brain be the main threat for a Titans movie and he hires Wilson as muscle
>>79695660
the brain? you think this edgy dceu is going to do a live action version of a living brain who's in love with a male gorilla?
>>79695296
It's not though if you've actually read Ostranders run, which Ayer posted as his main source of inspiration. Obviously there's a New 52 element with Harley, but it's still largely a classic Squad story.
>>79695818
>Beast Boy/Doom Patrol connection
>Creepy ass brain in a mechanical trash can
>A gorilla with a gatling gun
>Hires Deathstroke
>A good contrast to Cyborg considering he would be the lead
>Sweet progressive monkey love
You were saying?
>>79695928
you uneducated american, monsieur mallah is a great ape. Vous comprenez?
>>79695928
>Cyborg the lead
You sure they're not gonna pull out a movie version of Damian real quick?
>>79696019
Mes excuses mon ami. Bien que mon point est toujours valable
>>79696036
I said it given Cyborgs current JL status. Plus theres no way theyd pull out Damian in this universe (thank god)
>>79696066
Comme est le mien. Il est trop scandaleux
>>79696138
What if the solo Batman movie will be all about Damian and the Al Ghul's?
Of course Damian would be older, seeing as they are going the Dark Knight Returns route with Bruce here.
>>79696206
Then Id kill myself knowing the DCEU would become Damian wanking.
>>79696309
>Damian wanking
This is starting to become a buzzword, and that shit is nothing to the batwank of the old DCAU
>>79696361
Look I'll admit Im not Damians biggest fan, but all Im saying is the DCEU could easily fall for the same mistakes DCAU did and totally mishandle the character to annoying levels
>>79695831
I don't give a fuck what his inspiration was when the product that came out looks like a Harley/Joker story with cameos by the squad. Felicity and Friends is inspired by The Green Arrow, too, after all.
>>79696309
>>79696361
i hate the "son angry at his dad to the point of being a douchebag" characters. the only way to not make damina an insufferable asshole is to have him in a story without batman in it. even fucking CW wally, who i wanted to give a chance, is a whiny faggot with daddy issues
>>79696590
Not really. It's inspired by Batman. Arrow has not once resembled Green Arrow.
The Harley/Joker shit is just backstory. The plot is still sending the Squad on a mission to stop a big threat. This shit is literally Trial by Fire.
>>79696802
I doubt it. From the trailers, all we see is Harley Harley Joker Harley.
>>79696206
Yes...because Ras is dead in the CW show. It was the embargo that gave shitty Ollie the power to whoop Ras Al Ghul's ass after having a week of training from Merlyn.
>>79691022
>Felicity hacks his boom tube
>then hacks a mother box because
>>79698086
>"I just needed to have a girl-to-girl talk with it."
>>79698086
Yes!
Overwatch >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Oracle!!
>>79695348
Are you serious? Do you only know the character from that shitty Green Arrow show?
His oldest son died fighting the Titans.
His younger son joined the Titans.
Raven's mystic bullshit got his younger son possessed.
He killed his younger son because of that craziness.
Starfire killed his ex-wife.
Nightwing stole his daughter away from him.
He bombed Nightwing's city, killing 200k people.
Deathstroke's always been most interesting as a Titans villain. His relationships with Nightwing, Beast Boy, and Arsenal are all great.
>>79699246
Ok 1 I just said Im not an expert on the Titan comics and 2 where the fuck did I say I like or condone Arrow Deathstroke? The point I was making is that personally I prefer the character as a hired gun who takes his profession VERY seriously and not some end boss who pulls the strings.
>>79684939
FUCK Warner Brothers.
FUCK THEM.
>watch arrow
>eddie fyres is just generic bad guy
>no character development
>not becoming ollies best bud
>>79684939
>DC shows and movies are entirely separate continuities
>Refuses to have any character appear in both
What the fuck are they going to do when the Flash movie happens? Cancel it? Go on vacation?
>>79700198
Nigger Flash takes over.
>>79690121
HAHA it was in San Antonio. I know it because I got a photo with him 6 hours before he got arrestedand I was cosplaying Deathstroke
>>79699720
God, this upset me so much. Also changing everything about Shado.
>>79695118
Malcolm's sins were revealed during Season 1. He's killed over five hundred people.
>>79684939
How is it DC still do not understand the concept of multi-platform cross-promotion?
>>79684939
>people said the embargo was over
>>79706464
You mean making their comics more like the movies? They do that with Superman all the time!
>>79685224
I'm ok with keeping certain characters on TV and certain ones in movies but if TV does them good first, movies shouldn't be able to just steal them and force them to die on TV. Don't they respect dibs?
>>79708740
>but if TV does them good first
I agree. However this is not the case.
>>79708740
See I can respect rule of dibs.
Tv wants to do Ted Kord? Oh sorry movies called dibs for a movie. That's acceptable.
TV does Deadshot. Movie goes good for you and shouldn't force him off.
>>79708764
He is alive on earth-2.
>>79692001
Stop it with this little guy shit. Its all the same company. Everybody still gets paid. Also I think you are overestimating the reach the TV shows have. UKfag and I haven't found anyone IRL who watches Flash or Arrow consistently. My brother thinks its poorly acted garbage, it just didn't click with any of my friends, my parents didn't like Flash, though they do like Gotham. Less than 4 million people watch the Flash every week and less than 3 watch Arrow. Man of Steel was watched by around 65 million people. You can reach a much wider audience with the movies and there really aren't any stand-out Flarrow villains except for Reverse-Flash and Zoom to a certain extent.
>>79708845
> My brother thinks its poorly acted garbage
It is.
>>79708875
I know the acting is pretty poor for a lot of characters but I can generally get past that even if I do cringe at least twice an episode. There are good performers like Tom Cavanagh.
