What's happening with the netflix show and the hashtag #AAIronFist? I never read the comics, only watched the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon and in there Iron Fist is a white guy, and looking in google every picture I saw is more white dudes. I'ts another pc campaign like with Doctor Strange last year?
Pretty sure it's people who hate white men/black women pairings trying to shitpost it away by claiming him being white would be insensitive
>>79126201
Sjw are racist. Cant let s white guy be adopted by asians and care about them
>>79126201
>What's happening with the netflix show and the hashtag #AAIronFist?
SJWs are actually racist as shit.
>He knows martial arts
>Therefore he must be Asian
He has a problematic origin
>>79126435
reminded me of that shit about frozen when a tribe was mentioned and sjw assumed they were black
>>79126201
Twittter being twitter.
Who cares, the show will be mediocre anyway.
>>79126506
problematic how? i'ts not the same as in the cartoon?
>>79126304
Ahh, that's what I tough, the same bullshit again
It was started by a person who doesn't understand his origin or character arc. Since it happened during the wake of Gamergate, it's bulldozed through any and all Iron Fist conversations. It's dominated the discussion, now. Even though it really shouldn't have.
>>79127352
Mighty whitey goes to mystical asian country, is better than everyone else and is their savior.
>>79126201
They're tired of all the marvel actors being white guys with a black sidekick
>>79127423
In this instance Him and Luke are equal partners, though.
>>79127506
In this instance he probably won't know Luke for most the show
>>79126506
Not as problematic as people make it out to be. Half of the shit people complain about isn't even true.
>>79127536
But, he will post-Defenders. And it's not as though Luke doesn't have his own property. He's certainly not a side-kick.
>>79126540
That cracked me right the fuck up. Everything about brown Elsa was so amazingly racist and ignorant. I mean, yes, obviously the sami people are brown because all native peoples are brown. How could they not be?
>>79127506
Oh yeah but they either don't know that or they want something different than "white guy and his black best friend because the cast can't be TOO white you know?"
>>79127550
Case in point >>79127385
>>79126201
Not this shit again. Anyone demanding an Asian Iron Fist doesn't understand the character.
>>79126201
some people think an asian guy playing the karate man would be progressive.
>>79127639
Yep, exactly. I mean look at how many think-pieces there are already written decrying the character and how racist and archaic he is.
This Anon's rebuttal to the ComicAlliance "Asian-American or White Saviour" article is fucking brilliant. And perfectly illustrates why in this instance the white character needs to stay white. Do comic-book journalists not need to do research anymore?
https://desustorage.org/co/thread/78238958/#78242766
Internet social justice teaches you, you can't question minorities. So people believe "Nerds of Colour"'s interpretation without question or research, and this happening post-Gamergate, has made this situation into the mess that it is.
>>79127917
>Do comic-book journalists not need to do research anymore?
Journalists in general don't seem to need to do research anymore.
>>79126201
He gonna be White Synergy demands it.
>>79127917
>>79128010
Well the problem is that there's no incentive to do research. For a recent example of how quality reporting doesn't earn you anything, look at the failure of Grantland. Had the Disney beast behind them and still needed to shut down because it is so difficult to monetize good, long-form writing.
>>79126435
Is it true the ComicAlliance article was written by the same guy that wanted Scott Lang to be black, because he went to prison?
>>79128419
>the same guy that wanted Scott Lang to be black, because he went to prison?
>>79126201
but i thought he was white?
>>79128419
If you found that article then we could see if it's true
its ogre
You know I read a bunch of anti-identity politics and SJW articles on major newspapers lately and got the impression that movement was getting weaker, so I'm sad to hear about stupid stuff like this.
>>79128717
Funny, /co/ can come up with all sorts of reasonable explanations on here, but dare not ever say it to these people.
>>79128419
I can't believe this is fucking real. SJWs are delusional
http://www.vice.com/read/why-ant-man-should-have-been-black-456
>>79128750
Then why don't you?
>>79128717
>I won't watch Iron Fist if he's a white dude
Why do they think their opinion matters so much
>>79128750
They wouldn't listen or care. Race is paramount to them.
>>79128791
I don't have an account, never been to the site, and wouldn't know how to navigate it if I did. Plus, I'm all for asian-american danny rand, so I got no problem with this.
>>79128811
She works...worked for, Marvel
>>79128811
Because according to marvel, they do. Far more than the people who buy the shit anyway.
It's actually fine if he's Asian-American or White American IMO. His mother could actually be from K'un L'un for example, that would completely work as a character beat and might help to ground things for TV plebs more.
>>79128717
See this is that problem of how big the Iron Fist misconceptions have gotten. It's spread to people in the industry, all over, including Lexi Alexander. Who recently said she had pleasant chat with Marvel.
Can someone just explain how white privilege effects his relationship with Luke Cage, and NYC as a whole. This is a shame, because I don't mind Marjorie Liu.
>>79128842
But she's not attached to the MCU or Iron Fist at all
I'd be fine if the actor was HALF Asian, since the native Dragon-people's racistness to danny is a major plot point in Iron Fist.
Instead of the hate being because he's white it's because he'd be a mutt.
>>79128856
Making him a descendant of KunLun ruins the point even more doesn't it?
>>79127784
The whole "its racists for the Asian to do something thats part of Asian culture" is a fucking stupid talking point and not at all valid.
This is not to say he should be changed, because he shouldn't, but its a stupid argument.
>>79128883
But her opinion would matter to marvel far more than yours.
>>79128717
>Luke Cage might be my favorite Marvel character. No one has yet explained in a way that makes sense why he couldn't be white.
I will not watch Luke Cage unless he's white
>>79128747
This one is pretty old, I think Marvel "caved" and are letting Asian Americans audition for the role too but we all know he's going to be a white guy
>>79128750
These people have probably seen the arguments made on /co/ and have either disagreed or ignored anything that didn't fit their narrative.
>>79128821
>You can't can't call people colored!
>You can't group people together because of their race!
>Using people of color to refer to all non-whites is okay though.
>We must fight stereotypes, people cannot be confined by their race!
>The kung fu man better be Asian
>CULTURAL APPROPRIATION
What the fuck has happened? Are the SJWs going so left that they're coming right?
>>79128981
It always happens. Look at how sex-negative a lot of their narratives are. Can't even show Dick Grayson shirtless without people whining about objectification.
>>79128981
Again, the stereotype point is completely off.
The issue isn't "Karate guy is Asian", there's nothing wrong with that if he's an actual character. It is a part of that culture.
>>79126201
>All asians know Kung Fu = racist stereotype
>White guy masters eastern martial arts = cultural appropriation
SJWs will find a way to be mad regardless.
>>79127917
For those that can't or won't go to the link.
Article
>http://comicsalliance.com/iron-fist-asian-american-or-white-savior/
Rebuttal
>Okay, thanks, that actually made me think of some things. That writer has very clearly never read anything centering around Iron Fist, which you can tell because they clearly don't grasp his origins. His article never mentions that Danny's father himself was an adoptive citizen of K'un Lun, that his expedition with his family and business partner was him trying to return to his home, that the expedition ended with Danny being orphaned. It never mentions that Danny was nine when he was stranded in the mountains, too young to have any real conception of his cushy life in America, that he found the city on his own after, or that he was adopted and naturalized by a man respected in the community. Danny was a citizen of the City of the Immortals, not a "tourist." He was an immigrant. The culture of K'un Lun is the culture he knows and understands, not the culture of America, where he was born.
>Naturally, not understanding or at least acknowledging that, he never discusses what it means to be raised the adoptive son of one culture and return to the one of which you were an organic part. Understanding only that Danny is privileged in America, affluent, handsome, blue-eyed, white-skinned blond, but not that his natural social superpower is something Danny is unaccustomed to. It's something he explores. Remembering that he was raised as the outsider in a society without wealthy extravagance, consider how he would feel returning to America where he is king. He wouldn't, as perhaps most men of his status do, take it for granted, he wouldn't believe that his life was typical, or that the lavishness and prejudice of the other men in his new social circle were ordinary. If you are looking for white privilege to be explored by any super hero, you can't look much farther than Danny Rand.
>>79129028
But in this case it's just making him asian because they do karate. He'd be an entirely different kind of asian going into KunLun, it's like saying a Chinese guy should totally be a samurai
>>79129028
Not him but I think it's worth mentioning since that is the movement itself. Surely if he was Mexican it would cause the same troubles for him being seen as an outsider but also provide them with something other than the white savior stuff right? But they still argue that he should be East Asian or of East Asian descent over anything else. That's a problem.
I don't get it, Shang-Chi exists, and no one is pushing for him, where's #Shang-Chi>AA or some shit? Hell Shang-Chi would be a lot cheaper to do anyway.
>>79129093
This needs to be posted every where to counteract the SJW stupidity
>>79129021
To be fair, those people who are complaining about Dick don't really care about SJW things. That whole situation is just gender-inverted waifufags. They just take advantage of tumblr's buttons so people will agree with them.
It won't be long now until one of them takes a picture of a Grayson tpb burning in a fire.
>>79128902
>The whole "its racists for the Asian to do something thats part of Asian culture" is a fucking stupid talking point and not at all valid.
I believe the argument goes something like "it's racist that because someone is good at something from Asian culture, they have to be Asian". Alternatively "it's racist to assume people with Asian genes (Asian Americans) have an easier time learning about Asian culture than people from other races (in this case whites) but with the same culture".
I mean fuck, nothing works like that. And I'm sure all those Asian violin prodigies are glad about it.
>>79129028
You might have a point if they were trying to make him literally any other race than Asian. Mexican? Black? Middle Eastern? Shit, any of those would be better than Asian.
>>79128892
That's what they want to make him an "Americanized" K'un-Lunian reconnecting back to his culture via Kung-Fu. As an allegory for an Asain-American reconnecting back to their culture.
Which could be an interesting story. But, it isn't Danny's. Would would have to change his origin and everything about him for that to happen.
>>79128923
But anon, he was in prison.
Y'KNOW THIS REMINDS ME OF THAT RESIDENT EVIL 5 DEALIE.
MY BUDDY WAS ALL LIKE "I DIDN'T THINK RESIDENT EVIL 5 WAS RACIST UNTIL I WAS A WHITE MALE SHOOTING ACTUAL SPEARCHUCKERS IN AFRICA"
AND I WAS ALL LIKE "WHAT, YOU WANT WHITE SPEARCHUCKERS? THAT WOULD BE MORE RACIST IN MY OPINION."
Should we also make Nitro a Muslim
Or why not make Monia Rambeau a mammy
>>79129201
>>79128236
Grantland was also a niche interest site whose parent company was financial trouble.
>>79128780
Please, everyone knows Punisher should be black.
>>79128886
This.
>>79129084
Even by the SJW definition of "Cultural Appropriation" it's not applicable for Danny Rand. He was raised there since the age of NINE. K'un-Lunian culture IS his culture. American culture is the culture he goes BACK TO. He's literally the reverse of an Asian-American. And they would know this if they took more than five minutes thinking about his character.
Problem is SJWs find race and culture VERY HARD concepts to divorce. That's why they are clamouring for Danny to be a Ku'n-Lunian who grew up earth then goes back to Ku'u-Lun. That's a 180 flip of his character origin.
The fact that people flat out refuse to get this, is maddening
>>79129235
Y'SEE, IF ANYTHING CHANGING DANNY RAND TO AN ASIAN WOULD BE RACIST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PROMOTING THE STEREOTYPE ALL ASIANS KNOW MARTIAL ARTS.
YOU HAVE TO PULL JADEN SMITH AND MAKE DANNY RAND BLACK BECAUSE IT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE EITHER WHICH WAY AND WILL CREATE MORE ARTIFICIAL DIVERSITY VIA AFFIRMATIVE ACTION WHICH ALL FALL UNDER THE AUTISM UMBRELLA OF IMAGINARY SYNDROMES.
>>79129374
*on Earth
*K'un-Lun
>>79127607
It goes to show how these people think in terms of buzzwords and association. Not in history and definitions.
I'm an Asian American and I love seeing asians on TV but I don't want an asian as Danny Rand. It just doesn't feel right.
>>79129374
>And they would know this if they took more than five minutes thinking about his character.
Well, there's your problem. As if any SJW would read a comic if they can just read online that he's a white guy trained by Asians in under a minute.
>>79128780
>>79129411
They are also addicted to call-out culture. Not enough people actually praising good things that star minorities. Just white people trying to earn brownie points by showing they "care"
>>79129191
I'd also rather leave those themes to novelists like Amy Tan. The cape genre just might not be ready to do it right.
>>79129191
Shit like that has been done and done, and I thought it was racist to tell a guy "go back to Africa where you can connect with who you are". Or maybe I assumed wrong.
And yeah, it's not racist when (some) black American people decided on their own volition to be panafrican and rastafarai and all that shit, but they did that on their own accord. Fuck can you imagine if some white guy created Kwanzaa? "There, a Christmas for you guys too, it's African like you".
Point being: yeah, if Asians want to make a story about an Asian who reconnects with their roots (which there are already plenty of examples of), then fucking let them do that, instead of pressuring Hollywood jews and whites to culturally appropriate THAT fucking story too.
>>79129432
fuckingwhite people
>>79129374
>SJWs find race and culture VERY HARD concepts to divorce
And that's racist.
>>79129432
>joooooz.jpg
>>79128717
well she us right there is no reason he couldn't be asian.
there is also no reason he couldn't be literally any other race, as far as i'm concerned his race is not important to the character, at least backstory wise.
but i never got why race has to be a big part of all characters anyway.
>>79129426
People just assume he's Daniel-san from Karate Kid.
>>79129517
>>79129552
I found it in the comments
people are annoyed and bored with all the white protagonists and want something different
>>79129452
To be fair people who say it will be an interesting examination of white privilege are sort of fooling themselves (or trying to fool others) too.
>>79129191
That in-and-of itself is a stereotype, glosses over actual issues within a culture in favor of a sanitized presentation, implies that cultural rigidity is an ideal, and denies the idea of autonomy or blending within individual cultural reconciliation, at best. At worst it's like if they made a remake of Eat, Pray, Love with Mindy Kaling and more punching.
>>79129563
The white guinea from new yawk?
>>79129585
And taking a white character and painting him yellow is the answer? Make your own characters if you want change so badly
>>79129432
Really? It was the Polish last name and not the guy being called fucking NOAH that tipped you off?
>>79129585
If they're bored maybe they should watch something else. Or maybe watch movies or shows from other countries where people not only look different but have different customs.
I think people just want Asian heroes in Marvel
Only one whos doing anything right now is Cho, but super genius Asian is only a little better than karate man
>>79129614
>>79129642
Lol you silly billys
>>79129613
Yeah Italian I believe, so like a race half-card.
>>79128717
I love how they pretend the opposite isn't happening more -- white characters being cast as "minorities" for whatever, never explained reason.
She can't take any more of it? Look who's talking! That's OUR damn line, the people who've read comics and have to watch them change things to fit YOU lady. You really doesn't give a fuck beyond what little social media attention they can get.
>>79128419
The same guy who argued that Hulk was the first black superhero.
>>79129585
But the color of someone's skin doesn't make them inherently interesting or boring. People are just bored with MCU characters, which I can't honestly blame them for.
>>79129558
White privilege is on of the themes that of Iron Fist's stories covers. I mean, it's capeshit so it doesn't cover it all that well, but it covers it.
>>79129541
Nah, its progressive.
>>79129426
>they can just read online that he's a white guy trained by Asians in under a minute.
Yeah, but his origin has been twisted by several people, and several caveats left out. Just because of how the "white guy in a predominately Asian setting" has been done before.
Most of the arguments have been painting him
as " White, rich adult male looks for Eastern Enlightenment. Finds K'un-Lun, trains for two months, beats the Natives who's trained their entire life, gains the power of the Iron Fist, and saves the inferior Asians of their bondage with his superior white blood."
Which doesn't fucking happen. I know people want more non-white superheroes, and more Asian males on screen. That's a great goal, and something I wholeheartedly agree with.
However, strawmanning a character with very erroneous information is a really shitty thing to do. 1) It's poisoning people to character that otherwise might like. 2) It's getting people's hopes up over nothing.
Seriously, It's so fucking irresponsible. Expect Iron Fist to trend in a really bad way come casting time.
>SMDH
>>79129119
It won't matter if you're a white guy explaining it. At this point you basically have to resort to sjw tactics of using a female or minority mouthpiece.
>>79129796
>how the "white guy in a predominately Asian setting" has been done before
Getting his ass kicked by Bruce Lee or some clone of him?
Because that seems to have happened a lot more than shit like The Last Samurai. Fuck it happens in every Jackie Chan movie.
>>79129201
Reminder that originally it was going to be a RE1 reunion: Barry and Chris go to save Jill from Wesker, so that Barry can finally get his redemption and revenge himself against Wesker at the same time. That's why the assets and moveset for Barry exist in the Mercenaries. However, with the racism backlash they hamfisted Sheva in there, so that the racism was ok. She will likely never be seen or heard from again, but she had to be there because it was less racist that way.That said, the spearchucking thing was a little bit poorly judged.
>>79129601
>Kid
True. It's less him being white which is central to his character, and more that his being non-Asian is central to his character.
Him being white is great for hanging out with Luke, though. Not that that's the biggest thing to consider, of course.
>>79128717
>Marjorie Liu is a lawyer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2VxpTMAbas
>>79126201
>What's happening with the netflix show and the hashtag #AAIronFist?
Nothing. Nobody pays attention to twitter campaigns or moveon petitions. Stop feeding the trolls and they'll go away.
If people want an Asian character who knows martial arts why don't they ask for Shang Chi instead of Iron Fist? None of the arguments I'm seeing which defend such a combination as enlightened and progressive rather than a throw back to the exploitation days seems like they can't be retooled so their themes are applied to him.
>>79129659
Bro, your post is not totally awesome by any stretch. Cho on the other hand...
>>79129601
Not really. I mean if it was a straight up big budget action movie adaption of Iron Fist I could see that argument being used. But, It's being developed on Netflix the perfect place to talk about deep topic social issues. The other three Defenders are already paving that way, I don't see why his would be different. I mean look at what they are going on the Luke Cage series, I'm sure racism and police brutality will be explored. And they certainly won't be shying away from his Origin. If that theme/topic won't be seen in Danny's solo show (really he needs Luke's foil), It's probably be lampshade hanged several times when he and Luke meet and hangout.
Even then it his solo it might, just as he remarks about the differences between K'un-Lunian and American Culture, and how he's treated and seen in each.
>>79130014
He doesn't count because he's "proper" asian, rather than asian-american.
>>79130014
Those same people don't know who Shang Chi is, and probably only know Iron Fist because of Ultimate Spider-Man and somehow ending up on his wikipedia page while searching for Ironman facts to impress their friends
>>79129585
>Implying judging a story unfit for watching simply because of the actor skin color isn't an incredibly racist thing to do
>>79129693
Chance are those white characters you speak of are played by Jewish actors, because they can use the anti-semitism card if anyone dare say something about the bullshit they pull (which as absurd as it might sound can actually get you into prison/ruin your reputation forever in many countries, USA included) and will use the fact that they are a minority to rake in the benefit of the affirmative action movement with impudence and in bonus act all smug about it, claiming that since they(a de facto minority) benefit from it, then its a victory for affirmative action and pull even more of that bullshit down our throat.
>>79129946
>It's less him being white which is central to his character, and more that his being non-Asian is central to his character.
The guy is old money originally. I understand they could make it so that he's not that old money, but if the guy is 20-something and his father had a vast fortune in the 1990s in the US (enough that Danny would be one of the richest people in the MCU when he comes back), how fucking unlikely is it that he'd be black or latino or any other?
The point (I believe, fuck if I know) of white privilege is not just that you're inherently treated better by society, but also that you're more likely to be born in a higher socio-economic strata.
I mean they don't make much of a point that the guy is specifically white, but really his background of a guy who is originating in the highest strata of the society in the US kind of makes him white.
>Him being white is great for hanging out with Luke, though. Not that that's the biggest thing to consider, of course.
Well it's important for the perenity of the character, since that's who he'll hang out with most after his origin story run, you'd think.
>>79130004
This has gotten pretty big, though. Most IF discussions seem to disintegrate into back and forths about his race.
It's because, unlike Doctor Strange, whose potential casting lists/fancied actors came out not too long after the announcement of the movie, so people knew what sort of actor Marvel was looking for . People have been waiting for Marvel to cast Iron Fist for over A YEAR AND A HALF. This has allowed this to swell the way it has.
>>79130045
Ah, you're one of those people who think TV shows now are deep and examine social issues interestingly, instead of lightly touch on them to justify violence-porn and regular porn.
>>79130014
I've read an article calling for the two to be combined into one new Danny just so that he wouldn't be white.
>>79130214
Porn is justified now? Praise Jesus!
How happy are you guys that Akira Lane is finally doing hardcore stuff?
>>79130108
Alright I'll be that guy who says that jewish people aren't a race, no matter how loud they claim they are one. Ashkenazi jews (the large majority of jews, especially in the western world) are heavily intermixed with central Europeans and should be considered white by the American definition of it. Most other jews are semites, like arabs.
I'm not saying those racial definitions are proper, but fact is the American distinction between "white people" (Anglo-Saxons, Germans, Scandinavians and maybe the French) and "not really white people" (Spaniards, Slavs, Italians, Irish, Ashkenazi Jews) is more cultural and social than based in much biology.
>>79130214
No, like most things it all depends. Like any piece of art it could have the potential to have interest critical ruminations on a variety of topics. But, I know what you mean this is cape shit, doubt it will be made a foregrounded issue, but It should definitely be there.
All this is speculation, we don't know how Mr Buck will handle it, but I hope it's sensitively.
>>79130239
I would not under any circumstance ever desire that for that to happen. He is a stand-a-lone character, with enough lore to be interesting and independent on his own. How the fuck would would meshing them work, anyway?
>>79130419
Fair enough.
>>79130357
>applying US race based definitions to other countries.
My US-Centrism sense is tingling.
Instead of attacking this head on, I think the comic book nerds who do know Danny's Origin might try a different approach.
>Danny Rand IS multiculturalisim. His skin is white, but he grew up from childhood in an east asian culture. That's not something you see too often.
>Instead of demanding an asian actor, demand asian writers and behind the camera people to get the inside of his head right.
>Oh, and start scouting awesome asian actors for Shang Chi.
>>79128981
>Are the SJWs going so left that they're coming right?
See Horseshoe Theory.
Not quite. Progressives have gained political power. And their authoritarian fringe is coming out to use it. When they were a power minority, it's all about "Lets all get along", as opposed to "Do it my way or we will destroy you for being racist".
Progressives have won on critical important battles, so they either need to continuously attack more trivial battles with more blowback or quit.
>>79129107
>>79130014
Because actual racial representation isn't the goal.
>>79129452
I'd rather let the numerous anime that have done the theme well do it. But I would try a trade of an Amy Tan Great Ten superhero book.
>>79129541
It's a natural part of identity politics.
>>79129585
Then go adapt some shonen anime. And I don't mean like Dragonball Evolution.
>>79130109
Rand is an anglo/saxon name. Hispanic though isn't that crazy, if they went with a Don Patron kind of california rich, or castillian spain kind of hispanic. But then we get into white hispanics and all that shit.
I also agree with you on the importance of not fucking up Heroes for Hire.. The balance with Luke Cage, and the option of throwing Shang Chi is actually pretty important.
>>79130558
I'm European, but you know,as well as I do this whole debate is US-centric.
I mean, not to be that guy, but no matter how super-leftist we get over here, we'll never have many retards asking for Tintin to be arab in the next adaptation.
>>79130717
That's okay, the way Europe is going, you won't have to worry about Tintin ever being adapted again.
>>79130632
Who wants to see a kung fu thing directed, choregraphed, shot and edited by white people anyway.
Iron Fist isn't the Matrix.
Writing I don't care, it was orginally written by a white guy so a white person should be able to write it fine as long as they have a decent knowledge of Asian culture.
>then we get into white hispanics and all that shit.
Heh.
>>79130768
Well Peter Jackson is taking his sweet time, that's true.
>>79129104
This. Since they are just focusing on his origin, they would know him looking like K'un-Lunian natives makes no sense for his character. I keep on seeing it being suggested he an very "Americanized" late teens/or adult going and 're-connecting' in K'un-Lun, I guess for a couple of years before returning to America. This isn't Danny's origin, though. He's an Orphan, adopted into another culture, who goes back to his country of origin to avenge his birth parents. In a place now alien to him.
And he's not a #WhiteSaviour, if they actually knew his origin they would know this argument people keep toting is null and void.
>be Asian
>have Iron Fist be one of my favorite characters
>Immortal Iron Fist is in my top five runs
>AA Iron Fist is cast
>"Oh you just like him cause he's Asian right?"
>>79130926
*training for couple of years
>>79127385
>>79130928
I feel you
>>79130928
>He thinks he can escape being stereotyped by white people
>>79128419
No, you're thinking of Noah Berlatsky who writes and edits for his site Hooded Utilitarian. As far as I know he never wrote for Comics Alliance.
The Iron Fist article was written by Andrew Wheeler who is EIC of Comics Alliance.
>>79131028
Everytime this picture isn't called "argentinian and brazilian", a puppy dies.
>>79131043
Ah, I see.
>Editor in Chief
Then he should know better.
>>79126201
If he's not white, I'm not watching it. Simple as that.
He's a white character, who was created by white guys, and his character has been subjected to plenty of white stereotypes.
I'm not willing to accept him being race-changed, just as I'm not willing to accept Blade, Jubilee, Storm, etc. race-changed. It's an insult to character, unless it's for sure the absolute best actor to play the character happens to be of another race, which I seriously doubt is the situation.
>>79130926
Just make kun-lun another name for vanaheim. That way, its still grounded enough to work in the MCU, you get super strong asians, and it works around the whole "magic" thing.
Just so you know Vox has just written Another think-piece about having Danny be AA. These things just won't stop.
>>79131099
it's been fixed
>>79131167
What if Jackie Chan says he wants to play Danny?
What now?
>>79131202
where at?
>>79131235
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/19/10789662/iron-fist-marvel-asian
>>79131043
Is he the same guy that had a spat on Twitter at the Asian-American article writer of "I don't want Iron Fist to be Asian-American"?
>>79131218
Jackie Chan is developing that droopy playdoh face people always get after a certain age and I can't look at him without feeling sad now.
>>79131235
>>79131263
No, but, fucking no, it's fucking clickbait.
Damnit anons.
I'm not willing to actually do anything about it, but the least we could do is ignore it, right?
I mean it's not like they're actually going to make him Asian anyway. Right?
>>79131218
8/10
>>79131329
>>79131218
he's too fat and old now
>>79131304
Yeah I know what you mean. He is a unique jewel of a man and he's very obviously past his prime.
>>79131329
I honestly just wanted to see what they have to say this time. They clarify and go into detail about his origin story but somehow still twist it to make him a mighty whitey
>>79131302
It wasn't much of a spat.
https://twitter.com/Wheeler/status/674674686999920640
>>79131329
These think-pieces are at the top of most Iron Fist google searches, now. It could be the first thing someone with no knowledge of Danny as a character will see.
I bet Marvel thought this would just blow-over. But, this is the age of Hashtag social justice campaigns, and happening During "The Gate that shall not be named" only allowed it to kick up steam. Of course this wouldn't just 'blow-over'.
>>79131467
>https://twitter.com/Wheeler/status/674674686999920640
Ha ha, holy shit. Does that hack Diaz know these people, or is he just chiming in there because he's lonely?
>>79131519
Don't care, I still don't believe they'll actually make him Asian. They're not that stupid.
>think-pieces
Yeah, I wouldn't call them that.
>"The Gate that shall not be named"
Oh go fuck yourself.
sigh, this will not stop until they announce the casting.
And frankly, I'm anxious to see the advocates of the "asian Iron Fist" devastated when Marvel and Netflix announce that the actor is a white guy. I'm going to enjoy it.
>>79131467
Thanks, for clearing that up. Wrong verb to use.
The only "false binary" I'm really seeing, is the one they're making. People who's actually taken the time to explain how "White Privilege" factors into his character and how it informs his dynamic with Luke Cage have been shut down as "problematic racists".
There may have been some folks that used that approach he describes. I.E- Say that an Asian martial-Artist is stereotypical so shouldn't be done, and Danny should be white, just because. (some people maybe even being racist) OK, to lump those with people explaining, is frustrating and unfair, and forcing a binary he says he hates.
>This YOU ARE WITH ME OR YOU ARE AGAINST ME! mentality post-gg is so fucking annoying.
>>79126201
I'm not white and can see why Danny would be white if they were adapting the story. I mostly just want them to announce an actor because it's bound to piss off someone.
>>79130632
>>Instead of demanding an asian actor, demand asian writers and behind the camera people to get the inside of his head right.
Getting Yuen Woo-ping would be a coup
>>79131821
God, I'm not. It already makes Iron Fist discussions stressful, as is. I actually agree with the #AAIronFist advocates about there being more diversity on screen, and having more Asian males in prominent roles. But, slandering a character with a false interpretation in the public consciousness in order to race-bend him is certainly NOT the way to do it.
A diverse Iron Fist movie would have hired an established East Asian martial arts choreographer and/or showrunner, and it would make Iron Fist black or Indian or Mexican or whatever the fuck. It (probably) wouldn't make him East Asian because that plays hard into a stereotype in a superhero franchise which already has 'The Rich White Guy' and 'The Real American White Guy' as actual characters.
An East Asian Iron Fist will be a comfortable, lip service nod to diversity in Marvel's TV franchises so they might well do it. But it doesn't change all of the announced production staff so far are white and it's far cry from one of Netflix's genuinely diverse series e.g. OitNB.
>First time finding out about Iron Fist
>Getting HYPEASSHIT.gif
>See all this heated agro over his race, that's persisted for well over a year. Only see it grow.
>Everytime I see Iron Fist mentioned I get pangs of dread, as I know what conversations it's gonna lead to.
These are not the feeling I asked for guys. I wanna get off this ride.
I read an article that complained K'un-Lun was inherently racist because it was a medieval kung fu wizard city instead of a developed modern Asian economy. I wanted to die. What do the people writing these think these shows are meant to be?
>>79132314
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>>79132277
We could definitely have an Iron Fist bingo at this point. A good square would be 'Fraction is credited as the writer of IIF without mentioning Brubaker'.
>>79132388
I blame postmodernism.
>>79128923
but that's racist.
WAIT A SECOND
>>79131847
>>This YOU ARE WITH ME OR YOU ARE AGAINST ME! mentality post-gg is so fucking annoying.
If things are going the way they're going on Twitter and Tumblr and various boards, I think at some point that mentality is going to be turned against them. You could see an example of it happening when Wheeler and Janelle Asselin (remember when she called out a Titans cover and got rape threats and somehow this led to the deletion and reboot of the CBR forums?) tried to defend Chris Sims and were attacked by people who were upset at them defending Sims.
>Daredevil steals its most successful fight scene directly from a Korean movie, uncredited
>IRON FIST MUST BE ASIAN OR IT'S RACIST
>>79132314
Who wrote the article?
>>79132538
It's one of the Vox ones. That isn't the focus of the article, it just comments on it.
>>79132515
Just look at Requires Hate.
>>79130632
Have him being half-latino, or half-negro, with his father being the Old Money WASP parent.
Problem resolved.
>>79132599
Requires Hate A.K.A Winter Fox is an OG SJW, from LiveJournal, as in those who use the language of Social Justice in order to bully and harrass people and shut down conversations, like Riley and Gender-bitch. It's only after GG where the definition changed/another got added.
Just her luck her outting was right during GG, IIRC she re-tweeted Zoey Quinn tweets, called Fail_FandomAnon the "Fandom version of 4chan", and got defended by the likes of Arthur Chu. If only he knew what a sack of shit she is, but I'm sure he doesn't even care, just like her sycophants, who refuse to believe any and all evidence of her behaviour.
>>79132844
Did I trigger some sort of bot?
>>79132951
No. Why?
Gosh, this situation has become so damn messy.
Jeez.
>>79132844
I literally don't understand the context behind any of the words you just said. Is this related to Iron Fist or am I missing something?
>>79129411
Because, it's easier and they don't have to think critically. Also, remember internet social justice can be pretty darn toxic. Anyone who makes the tiniest of transgressions, whether innocuous or not are deemed inherently "problematic" and gives people license to hate on them. This fosters a terrible environment in which people can learn in, because people's mistakes get punished dis proportionally to what they actually did. Which means people are shit scared of "fucking-up" and being accidentally "problematic", lest they get dog-piled. It's safer and less stressful to just run with the crowd, using SJapproved speak and applying it indiscriminately. Which is bad, because it helps spread erroneous information and just creates sheeps out of people.
>>79132314
Poudlard is now racist.
>>79133410
At this point it all seems like its built first and foremost on the premise that "Straight + White + Male = Bad" and the further you get from that combination, the more socially "just" you are and the more qualified you are to speak on social and political issues, ironically because of your own race/color/creed, not because you're actually qualified in any way.
This of course leads to hilarious infighting when two marginalized groups start arguing over who is further from Straight White Male on the privilege scale, meaning who has more moral authority.
>>79133410
I still can't belive problematic favs are actually a thing.
>Which means people are shit scared of "fucking-up" and being accidentally "problematic", lest they get dog-piled.
Are they really though? I mean besides people who rely on fat girls being their largest fanbase, like most of the MCU cast.
>>79133290
I was replying to the Anon talking about RequiresHate. She's a serial harasser in the Sci-Fi community. She uses use rhetoric like saying a girl should be "raped by dogs" just because she disagreed with her. And other people to have "acid poured over them." Those are only some choice examples there is many more. At the latest Hugo Awards Laura Mixon won an award for doing a report on her. It was a relief for a lot of people, as some victims of her's weren't believed in. She's cyber-stalked people for years, but she keeps being defended, because of the SJ language she uses, and because she a supposed WoC. Even though she's not.
If you scroll down this explains how she single-handily destroyed a book community, devoted to celebrating and sharing genre books by PoC.
http://failfandomanonwiki.pbworks.com/w/page/46349159/Winterfox%2C%20Pre-Outing
>>79133843
She is a WoC. Just one from a family of billionaires.
>>79133622
You'd be surprised by how many people feel like they are 'walking on eggshells' in SJ comms.
I've read some really good think pieces about callout-culture and it's toxicity. So, I certainly know I'm not the only one who feels it's completely unproductive and in many cases harmful.
>>79134023
>in SJ comms.
Well no shit. I mean sucks for them but who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
>using "toxicity" unironically when talking about culture
Oh. My God! YOU'RE ONE OF THEM AREN'T YOU!?
>>79134009
Calling her a WoC in an American or western context, would make sense, as it's a white supremacy. I.E- If she was an Asian-American, that lived in America, or another country where white people hold the majority of power.
But, she's a Han Chinese person from Thailand. She's part of the upper echelon of society. She has power+privilege. Also, IIRC Thailand was also never colonized by western forces. She's NOT a WoC, no matter how often she and her acolytes profess she is.
>>79134091
No, I'm not. A lot of my views would not mesh with SJW on Tumblr.
But, they would certainly be twisting over themselves if they found out I'ma ~WoC
>implying "toxicity" isn't the apt term to use for how Internet SJ can be.
>>79134230
Never colonized, but, when your original Portugese merchant traders are hitting this area there isn't even a Thailand but a variety of fluctuating and transient kingdoms. Thailand was never colonized but it was highly pressured and forced to throw in its lot with colonizing forces.
I'm in no way up-to-date with critical theory or SJ rhetoric though so if WoC now only applies to the native born I stand corrected. But she is or has been resident in America.
>>79134437
I was merely joshing. And yeah I don't agree, "toxicity" is a buzzword that's used because it sounds physically harmful.
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>>79134230
Wait privilege determines whether you're "of color" or not?
>>79133622
The thing is most people want to make money and hambeasts are that ever present untapped market.
>>79126201
This is the argument.
There are next to 0 asians on TV and outside of Master of None they're all stereotypes. Name me one super hero of asian decent, name one Marvel protagonist that is Asian (no Thor's friend doesn't count he is basically a cameo).
So now you've got a TV show centring on a mystical bad ass from Asia. Why not just cast an guy from Asian decent? He could still be Asian American and he could still have long blonde hair?
Why not give loads of people who feel totally under represented in culture some representation? Assuming you find a suitably awesome actor?
>>79134655
The whole culture is about point scoring.
>>79134559
>joshing
>>79134688
>Why not give loads of people who feel totally under represented in culture some representation?
Do those people even give a damn? This seems like yet another case of "Don't worry. I, the white person, am looking out for YOUR best interests!".
>>79134688
>mystical bad ass from Asia
A crashed spaceship in another dimension
>>79127378
>In the wake of #Gamergate
Keep rolling over.
>>79134688
Ewww blond asians
Those are only good if they're those hilarious Guido japs.
>>79134441
Thanks, for illuminating me on some Thai history.
The term WoC was created by black-American women to show solidarity to other minority women under a system of white supremacy. (Changed from "Black Women's Agenda")
more info here:http://www.racialicious.com/2011/03/03/for-your-womens-history-month-loretta-ross-on-the-origin-of-women-of-color/
Sorry, if I wasn't being clear, when I used an Asian-American as an example. It doesn't just apply to native-born. An Asian from Asia could be treated the same way as an Asian-American could be under an American or Western context of "White Supremacy". While she is in America that term makes sense.
However, and this is where I take great umbrage at, she not in Thailand, for the reasons I've stated.
I don't want her be-moaning about being an oppressed female minority, when in Thailand, she is not. Your race, and consequently how you are treated can fluctuate depending where you are in the world. Race itself is not a fixed concept, and this is what people seeped in US-based social justice seem to fail to realize.
>>79128717
Oh god dammit Marjorie. You're smarter than that. Please tell me its ironic...
>>79134688
>outside of Master of None they're all stereotypes.
So your solution is to make more stereotypes by yellow-washing a white character instead of, say, making a new well written Asian character that isn't a stereotype?
>Why not give loads of people who feel totally under represented in culture some representation?
Because it isn't white people's job to make Asians or anyone else feel represented, doubly so when it involves altering someone else's hard work to suit some bullshit narrative.
>>79128981
Yes, its full circle.
>>79129432
That guy looks super familiar...
>>79134955
>>79127385
thats not true. like at all
>>79134987
Nope, this shit has gone viral. People in the industry are now giving their two cents over it, based on a false character study. Including Lexi Alexander, so recently had a talk with Marvel.
>>79135053
What a parking ticket.
Ya got me, but I thought that our convo was strictly talking about dudes.
>>79134688
isn't the new gay Giant Man asian too?
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>>79135097
Everyone who actually cares about Danny's character, or at least those who've researched the character properly, understand this.
Non-fans don't though, and this is what they're being force-fed. Is it any wonder people now hate White!Danny's guts, and want him to be AA!Danny?
>>79134688
Ben Kingsley is of asian descent, SJWs still moaned "Whitewashing"
https://archive.is/Mtd2S
>>79135053
Why would you taunt me by posting a photo of someone that pretty knowing they will never do hardcore pornography?
>implying Asians want an Asian Danny Rand
Why do white people think they know what minorities want?
>>79128717
Is he really your favourite Marvel character, Gail? Or are you just saying that so it lends more weight to your argument?
Has she talked about liking Danny before this campaign?
>>79126201
Wasn't the point of his character being white and master of the K'un Lun'?
>>79134671
>untapped
How? They already buy tons of shit. Do you even know any fat women?
>>79135370
power fantasy.
>>79135330
The campaign was started by as Asian-American guy, though. He got a lot of info wrong, it spread, and here we are.
It's not just white people that are pushing the hashtag, it's a mixture.
>>79135330
If you are a minority and you don't want agree you have been brainwashed by white America
>>79134688
>Why not give loads of people who feel totally under represented in culture some representation?
Why not create something entirely new in order to do so instead of royally fucking with an established character whose canonical race is actually pretty damn important to the narrative? Or hell, why not give plenty of attention to the Asian supporting cast of Iron Fist?
>>79135370
Master? As in ruler? Pretty sure that's Yu-Ti, not Iron Fist.
Are you all expecting anything good from the producer who blessed us with the sixth season of Dexter?
Anyone else hoping Michael C Hall will play Steel Serpent?
>>79135394
There is literally nothing wrong with power fantasies. God damn near everyone has them.
>>79134688
>>79135370
It was designed to make maximum profit for Marvel in the 70s.
>>79135440
I could see him as Wendell.
>>79135261
Yeah but's as technical as you can get. I mean the guy is half-white half-indian.And yeah I understand he's not actually playing a chinese man and that they'd probably have gone even more retarded if he was his Fu Manchu self.
>>79127385
isn't this basically batman's origin story when he trained with the league of shadows? people didn't give a fuck then, why should they now?
>>79135481
>Wendell
Dexter ain't jobbing to no cliff, bro.
>>79135485
Nobody watched Begins.
>>79135349
shes thrown that line out before for Deadpool, Spider Woman and Carol
>>79135485
Because Batman denied to be Ra's heir.
>>79135471
You say that like Marvel only make Danny white, because they didn't believe an Asian Kung-Fu lead. During the fucking 70's? Of all eras? Not true, Marvel had Martial Artists of different ethnicities make during their Kung-Fu exploitation era. Including Asian. This is one of the three main misconceptions I keep seeing repeated.
>>79127385
>mighty whitey
HELLOOOOOO TUMBLR!
>>79135510
Ya wanna bet!
>Jobbing to a cliff
lol'd
>>79135591
When will they introduce Shang-Chi to shut the whiners up. Make him the Mandarin's son
>>79128811
Why does 4chan?
>>79135591
>You say that like Marvel only make Danny white, because they didn't believe an Asian Kung-Fu lead.
I never said that.
>Marvel had Martial Artists of different ethnicities make during their Kung-Fu exploitation era. Including Asian. This is one of the three main misconceptions I keep seeing repeated.
Shang-Chi was created before Iron Fist. They had an Asian hero, then they created a white dude next after the creator was watched a Bruce Lee film.
Quit trying to read into something that isn't there.
>>79126201
If an actor of Asian descent were cast in the role I'd be fine with it, but they shouldn't feel like they have to cast him as Asian in order to make up for a supposed "injustice" of him having originally been a white character with an Asian-themed superhero identity.
>>79135652
I know people are fed up of waiting for an Asian character in the MCU , and if he has to be a Martial Artist in which to do it, so be it. But, Shang needs his own property, not a support in somebody else's. Plus, that way an Asian male character would get to be the lead.
>>79129693
But anon, casting white people in roles for asians has been a thing since the early days of cinema and has continued into the modern era. It actually happens far more often than the reverse. Asians are the most underrepresented minority in Hollywood after native people for this very reason. If you don't believe me, you've probably never seen or heard of Dragon Ball: Evolution, The Last Airbender and Aloha.
>>79135769
So then why are people worried about Iron Fist when they should be more worried about WB fucking up Akira with their terrible casting ideas?
>>79135714
Sorry, if that's not what you meant. I've just been seeing a crap ton of people say/suggest Danny is Danny rand, and not Danny Chen, because Marvel though an Asian lead would be unsuccessful.
>After the creator watched a Bruce Lee film.
Heck, most Kung-Fu characters probably wouldn't exist, if it weren't for him. Also, remember his origin is inspired by "Amazing Man".
>>79135762
He can debut as a guest star but get his own show/movie later, like the buzz about Frank.
>>79135689
Do we? We talk about it a lot but I don't think most of us delude oursleves into thinking it matters.
I don't see why Danny's mother couldn't be from Kun Lun.
It would give even more reason for Danny's father to Kun Lun with his family.
Can't really imagine his American wife being totally okay with his obsession and climbing around the Kunlun mountains with their 9 year old to find it.
>>79135882
>Sorry, if that's not what you meant. I've just been seeing a crap ton of people say/suggest Danny is Danny rand, and not Danny Chen, because Marvel though an Asian lead would be unsuccessful.
That's okay, bro, we must be two of the nine people in the world who actually reads Iron Fist comics.
>>79127607
The hilarious thing about the SJWs on Tumblr is that they were trying so hard to be "anti-racist" that they ended up being "racist" by completely mischaracterizing the Sami people and promoting a false image of who they are and what they look like. They were also "racist" by assuming that all "indigenous" people have brown or ruddy skin and black hair.
I wouldn't take offense at someone having an innocent misconception about what a certain ethnicity are like, but SJWs crossed the line by trying to start another moral crusade around a misconception that a simple Google image search can refute. It's like none of them even did a modicum of research before deciding to try and spark a moral outrage over Frozen.
>>79135943
But we already know why Dannys dad wanted to go to Kun Lun.
>>79131108
>Then he should know better.
I doubt it.
https://twitter.com/Wheeler/status/571364739823104000
>>79135943
Bring his wife along then.
>>79135943
She's not. He's that obsessed and emotionally distant, she starts an affair with his business partner.
>>79135769
>If you don't believe me, you've probably never seen or heard of Dragon Ball: Evolution, The Last Airbender and Aloha.
Yeah DBE had at least like 5 Asians in important roles and the Last Airbender was chuckfull of Indians and had Asians as the dirt people.
I'm not saying they looked accurate to the source material but that's about as asian as it gets in Hollywood.
Also am I the only person who ever watched this movie?
>>79136028
>Bring his wife along then.
She makes a delicious snack for the locals.
>>79135882
Lee was also a fervent believer in merging western and asian cultures to make his ideas and fighting stronger (earning a degree in philosophy in an American college and incorporating western martial techniques into his fighting style, aswell as marrying a white woman), so he'd probably scoff at this cultural appropriation bullshit.
>>79135858
First of all, a lot of people are angry at the casting choices of that show.
Really though, this has to do with a lot of Asian men feeling as though they can't ever get portrayals of Asian men that are masculine and sexual. Its the reason everyone freaked out and praised scorch trials even though its a terrible movies. There are just a fuckton of Asian men who are tired of being seen as wimps.
As far as why that insecurity exists, is actually a really complicated history and it goes back to world war two propaganda that heavily feminized Japanese men, a stereotype that has now grown to encompass all asian men under it's assumption.
