Why do people on /co/ seem to think that a character being a bad person is the same as being a bad character?
>>78598525
Because /co/ is full of emotional idiots.
Probably because they're stupid.
And lastly because they're under 14.
>>78598525
Because tumblr
>>78598525
because not only /co/ or just 4chan. People aren't very good at expressing their thoughts critically or objectively. They get mad at the character (even if that's the intention) and project their feelings thus.
>>78598525
care to give an example
Because that pig girl is adorable, and aesthetically appealing characters can be accepted no matter what their personality is.
>>78598525
Back that up first.
Not OP but case in point;
Peggy Hill
Beautifully written character of a terrible person
>>78598889
just because people hate her doesnt mean they think she is badly written
she can be written as well as you want but she is still a shit character that no one likes
Because autistic people think in black and white.
>>78598950
You've never been to a Peggy Hill hate thread I see.
>>78598992
I have
all i see is people talk about how she is a huge bitch who is full of herself and constantly contradicts herself
she's a bad character but not a badly written one
>>78599022
>she's a bad character but not a bad character
Maybe the problem is all the idiots who do this are just trying too hard to sound smart.
Saying something like "that's poor game design" when what you meant was "I didn't like that level". Peggy is supposed to be unpleasant and she is a good character because she routinely achieves that end.
>>78599131
stop acting retarded
You can be well written and be an unlikable cunt
no one said being a bad character meant being poorly written just unlikable and not entertaining
no one is debating that it isnt the point just that people like the show significantly less when she is around
>>78598525
I want to ride that hog.
>>78598525
Simple, sometimes, people cannot put the bias and preference aside.
>>78598950
but do you see the way people talk sometimes. The way they bitch constantly, bring up every example of loathsome behaviour, it's like they think she, and others, are a real person who actually exists in real life.
>>78598525
is there porn of this pig?
i want to fuck the fuck
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ol684Mo.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>78598525
Characters need a certain amount of appeal to make them likable or able to relate to even if they're terrible people
A lot of "bad" characters just lack this appeal, so we end up just looking at their actions in relation to other characters and not the character as their own individual.
>>78599516
This is a good example.
Because we connect with certain characters emotionally, we get butthurt when some one we empathize with is shit on without some kind of resolution. If the "bad" character in question gets his or her own motivations and dimension outside of being a dick, we are less likely to react strongly to them.
A lot of the characters that fit these complaints (Some common ones are Peggy Hill, Arthur's sisters, ect) are merely walking antagonistic forces to the main character who may not get resolution.
Compare that to Clay, who is pretty easy to hate at first, but as we go into his past and see how he interacts with people and what he wants from his own life he becomes much better as a character
>>78598525
But /co/ loved Doc Ock as Spider-Man more so than that child-killer
>LE DIE IS CAST!
>>78598525
>>78598525
But OP, people here love Nox, Fisk in Daredevil Netflix show and Doctor Doom and they were definitely not good people.
Also I have this one other pic of that pig, but never found a source.
>>78599195
Yeah you're not understanding.
A character is a literary facsimile. When a character is bad it is because they have been written poorly.
Like how I quoted your phrase
>she's a bad character but not a badly written one
To say
>she's a bad character but not a bad character
I am saying that when you say the words "she is a bad character" you are saying "she is a baddly written character.
What you're trying to refer to is the person the character is characterizing. Who is unpleasant. However, you're trying to inflate your opinion with pseudo-intellectual phrasing.
"She is a bad character" sounds like a highbrow criticism coming from a well informed adult. When someone says "she is an unlikable cunt" they sound like a 14 year old. It's a rhetorical problem, but every single time an argument like this comes up it is THE point of contention. Do you mean the character is a bad character or do you mean the character is a bad person? And if you mean the later then say the later.
Do you understand?
>>78601293
thats because the kind of people that think character and personality are the same thing also do not understand why they like or dislike any of these characters.
Fisk is compelling and while he is immoral you want to see more of him. Peggy is revolting and we watch her for the payoff of her getting her comeuppance. The reason people complain about Peggy all the time is because that payoff doesn't actually happen all that often and her smug pedantry is often rewarded.
>>78598525
>>78601293
oh god what is she from?
i need more pics
>>78599699
>Alot of the characters that fit these complaints (Some common ones are Peggy Hill, Arthur's sisters, ect) are merely walking antagonistic forces to the main character who may not get resolution
You hit the nail on the head right here. Characters like Peggy or D.W aren't human; they're walking obstacles. They have no personality outside of making life for everyone around them a living hell. But characters like Stan from GF are immensely likable, because he has way more to him than just being a complete asshole.
>>78601981
>>78599699
>>78598889
Peggy Hill is exactly what I was thinking of when I saw this topic.
Peggy isn't even a bad character in concept. Her egotism is meant to be comedic, and is always portrayed as being one of her flaws. The way people act about her is really weird, as if they feel her superiority complex was meant to be justified and that they weren't supposed to not find it a negative quality.
Limited education.
It's a cartoon board so you are bound to get people under the age of 18.
With the sudden shift in narration comics and cartoons has recieved lately the line between tumblr and 4chan has been blurred even further and thus more emotional/ emotionally unstable people visit us.
Choose one.. or two, or three.
>>78598525
Blame the progressives. They have no concept of context. They police fiction harder than fucking puritans for fuck sake.
>>78602064
>Her egotism is meant to be comedi
But she isn't funny.
>>78598525
Did someone insult a shitty villain that you like?
>>78601928
She's gatodelfuturo's character.
>>78598525
Because no one here has ever implied that.
>>78604135
It seems someone insulted his waifu...
>>78599523
gaturo used to draw porn but he stopped and baleeted it all
>>78606907
He made a wise choice.
>>78606907
Aww, too bad!
>>78598525
I honestly don't think I've ever thought that. Evil characters are literally suppose to be bad but still makes them good characters, right?
>>78608005
oh, seems someone insulted your waifu
Also
>one person just once=/=/co/
>>78599092
That either is a troll or a retard that is too dumb to understand a story that even kids understand. Since we are on /co/ he probably is a retard.
>>78607441
Who is this porksword porker?
>>78607441
You know, I find this other image sexier >>78601293
She have a naughty facial expression while instead of the blank one here >>78607441
>>78598525
>>78601293
>>78607441
Haram
>>78607441
I would.
>>78604405
New to /co/, aren't ya.
>>78598525
People don't understand that characters can be intentionally written to be unlikable or annoying.
Sherlock Holmes from the Doyle stories is a prime example of a character who is written to be a smug, condenscending, detached prick. But he's also considered to be up there with being one of the most difficult, complex characters for actors to portray properly.
Realistically you need more context to what the character does to be a bad person and what kind of character the show wants to represent them as
Take Bojack Horseman for example, Bojack is a shit person but the show doesn't want to make you root for him, no it makes you cringe as you watch him constantly make mistakes and get into some fucked up scenarios, it makes his character compelling even though he's fucked up
Then take someone like Mabel from Gravity Falls, she spends the Summer acting like a childish brat who cries when she doesn't get what she wants and ends up living in an actual bubble of delusion instead of facing reality while Dipper spends the Summer growing as a person and a character while dealing with the crazy shit thrown at him, but because she is the face of the show, you're supposed to root for her.
It all can depend on what the character represents rather than the person they are
The best TV character is also the worst TV person.
>>78604091
But, anon, she's one of the funniest characters in the show.
>I asked God if I should fake a propane emergency and he said no. But I knew better, and called it in anyway!
>The day after thanksgiving is in my opinion the busiest shopping day of the year.
See, to me her ego made her more of clown than an antagonist.
>>78613983
She isn't funny, she isn't interesting, she isn't entertaining. Both Dale and Cotton both are just as awful but are way more fun to watch in how stupid or assholish they are at times. Everytime they appear on I think "lol what have they gotten themselves into this time" everytime Peggy Hill appears I think "Oh god where is the fucking remote". You made a intentional unlikeable character, congratulations but that doesn't mean she good character.
>>78598525
Not exactly /co/ but Archie Bunker is one of the most notable in tv history.
Ironic given his premise as a character, and how some of his predictions became true after all these years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnTZipv03M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALE6ENavvJQ
>>78613236
I'll admit it's not my main board... but OP is still far from being right
>>78608777
>a retard that is too dumb to understand
This is literally my argument.
>>78615139
This is some really bad trolling. These threads are around all the time.
