What /co/ characters could escape from a black hole?
Doomsday since he's caring the god gene. A plot device that prevents him from dying.
Hulk
Doormamu, Dr Strange, Silver Surfer, Pretty much most characters who live in Cosmic Marvel
Thor, Loki, Thanos, Death, Deadpool, Wolverine
Batman. Nobody can present an argument otherwise.
>>78483222
>Doomsday since he's caring the god gene. A plot device that prevents him from dying.
That wouldn't help him escape a black hole though, would it? It would just let him adapt to survive within the black hole.
>>78483165
Lelo and Stitch characters did it
>>78483264
He has no preptime and doesn't have his utility belt on him.
>>78483269
Doomsday is at kayfabe power levels so ridiculous he can pull a Superman a punch a hole through time.
Godzilla already did.
Escaping from beyond the event horizon or just from the general vicinity?
>>78483292
But he always has plot armor
You can't take away his plot armor
>>78483366
When?
>>78483292
>he turns with the black hole, spinning it into a white hole with ancient Buddhist technique.
Only characters that can bend space.
>>78483392
Vs Megaguirus and a couple of times in comics.
Godzilla is goat.
>>78483390
I think it depends. Plot armor just means that he'd be ok by the end of the arc. He could still die and get resurrected in the middle of things if they wanted.
>>78483165
Kitty Pryde.
I'm not joking.
>>78483499
She is still affected by gravity.
>>78483499
What comic book logic allows that? Does she phase through gravity?
>>78483165
Yur dad, cuz yur mum's a black hole, m8.
>>78483165
Superman. he already did it
Thanks to the nature of time and gravity, if you were to fall beyond the event horizon, and then reemerge, you would find the entire universe had aged significantly in the short time you spent inside. VERY significantly. Everyone and everything you ever knew would have been gone for lengths of time that are difficult to imagine. Chances are the sky would be perfectly dark, as stars would have stopped being born very very long ago. Your only company in the Universe is more black holes.
Basically, even if you survive, falling into the black hole is the end of the fight. The people who threw you in will never have to deal with you again.
>>78483165
The only canonical references I can think of all involve Galactus.
Once, Terrax was so scared of Galactus' wrath that he went and hid in a black hole. Galactus sent Dazzler of all people to fetch him.
Another event, the Elders of the Universe were trying to off Galactus, some fell into a black hole when the attempt failed along with Silver Surfer. Galactus extended some form of energy net to reach down and scope Surfer back out as he was falling in.
(oh wait, think I recall Gruenwald having Quasar escape black hole. this was when he was dead in his own book, was cruising around in a pure-energy form, and was effectively the avatar of Infinity (Eternity's sister), tossing around conceptual entity-level power)
For a writer who actually understands what a black hole is and how it operates, it would really need to be a cosmic-level entity to survive them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoUBSlTetTo
>>78483623
It's comics, anon. Black holes always send you back in time.
>>78483623
That depends on how much time you spend in there. It will take 100 trillion years for stars to stop forming.
>>78483165
Hrrm.
A galactic core size black hole, believe it or not, is less hazardous than a stellar mass black hole. Tidal forces won't spaghettify you. (God, what a stupid fucking word.)
Is the hole rotating? Because the presence of an ergosphere will fuck a lot of supers hardcore. Frame dragging is one of those things that's...really hard to understand, and pretty much totally lethal.
Is the hole actively acreting? An accretion disk is the most extreme environment outside an event horizon, and very few supers would survive a ride down an acretion disk. For serious, they're the most energetic things in the universe, they power quasars and active galaxies and shit.
Is quantum gravity real? Because if it isn't then there might be an information paradox firewall right inside the event horizon, and that's...pretty much curtains.
If quantum gravity IS real, then you can survive inside the event horizon.
At that point, all it takes is reality warping or superluminal flight to get out. Hell, that part is practically EASY.
SURVIVING the black hole is the harder part.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of anybody with the combination of infinite toughness and superluminal/reality warping.
Thanos maybe, if his chair survives the trip? Unlikely.
Galactus, possibly.
Black holes are the real deal.
>>78483623
It's upsetting that comics usually play fast and loose with relativity. Stuff like this can be crazy and interesting.
Sonic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZYJV_oErlQ
>>78483165
anyone capable of FTL, including teleportation. Anyone capable of manipulating gravity
since superman's powers are star-based, has anyone done a story about what happens to him if he was affected by a black hole's Hawking Radiation?
>>78483623
>Thanks to the nature of time and gravity, if you were to fall beyond the event horizon, and then reemerge, you would find the entire universe had aged significantly in the short time you spent inside. VERY significantly. Everyone and everything you ever knew would have been gone for lengths of time that are difficult to imagine. Chances are the sky would be perfectly dark, as stars would have stopped being born very very long ago. Your only company in the Universe is more black holes.
>Basically, even if you survive, falling into the black hole is the end of the fight. The people who threw you in will never have to deal with you again.
Hey, look, an anon who understands relativistic effects of extreme gravity!
Yes, all this is true. And yes, in the lifetime of a big black hole, the Stelliferous Era will be over in the blink of an eye.
Enjoy it while it lasts!
>>78483552
One of her initial powers has always been to "walk on air", its why she doesn't sink to the middle of the earth when she phases. Not many writers remember he floating ability tho.
For that matter, most writers have no idea how a black hole works so i wouldnt sweat it too much.
>>78483731
Same goes for sound in space. No sound in space can be cool as fuck.
>>78483752
>tfw you realize fucking Lapiz Lazuli could escape a black hole
>>78483780
>since superman's powers are star-based, has anyone done a story about what happens to him if he was affected by a black hole's Hawking Radiation?
Ermmm...
Stellar size black holes do radiate (almost certainly, the math is pretty solid. Hawking deserves to be famous for that work.), but they are so cold they actually are drowned out by the cosmic background radiation.
The only 'hot' black holes MIGHT be Big Bang relic holes of significantly substellar mass.
And honestly, they just emit a perfect blackbody spectrum. While, yes, that's totally different than starlight, i seriously doubt any of the artsy fucks who write comic books even know what that shit means, much less have ever thought about how it would affect the big blue boyscout.
The singularity is where spacetime literally curves into itself. You could be completely immune to gravity and resist getting crushed with your plot armor but you cant escape because every direction, literally every path you could take, just leads back into the singularity. And thats being lenient and assuming time even passes inside a black hole instead of undergoing infinite dilation.
>>78483165
Survive? A few of them.
Escape? None of them.
Black holes got nothing on topological defects like textures and shit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topological_defect
>>78483733
The fucked thing is that that's the 3rd time any version of Sonic has survived a black hole (or something similar)
Black holes still scare me in Space Engine.
>>78483165
Harley Quinn
Squirrel Girl
Spider Woman is currently trapped in a space hospital stuck in a black hole while pregnant, so I guess her.
I imagine anyone who can break the fourth wall could escape a black hole.
Probably not Deadpool. He's not as strong a fourth wall breaker as, say, Bugs Bunny.
>>78483860
>The singularity is where spacetime literally curves into itself.
Well, yes, but science pretty much understands that singularities don't really exist. The presence of a singularity just means that your theory is fucking wrong.
We KNOW the Standard Model is wrong. We just haven't figured out a new theory yet.
There's a paper out by one of the Loop Quantum Gravity guys that is VERY elegant in describing a possible internal structure for a black hole that not only eliminates the singularity, it solves the information paradox AND could possibly be testable.
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.6562v4.pdf
This shit in SUPER cool. Quantizing spacetime itself really just...untangles black holes. And the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle as the last repulsive force able to overcome the force of gravity makes perfect sense.
And the REAL genius is that the uncertainty principal kicks in when the star reaches the Planck energy intensity, NOT when it reaches the planck density. Since the energy intensity is about 25 orders of magnitude higher than the Planck density, BAM, the core of the black hole explodes like a bastard when it is still roughly thirty orders of magnitude bigger than the planck distance, which gives plenty of space for the information tossed into the hole to be preserved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units
VERY elegant, very classy, does not invoke any weird shit like dark energy to work like gravitars, very cool stuff.
>>78483860
Oh god, imagine if a Supes level guy got stuck in the black hole, still alive, and tried moving only causing himself to deform into horrific cthulhu levels of body parts. After a good hundred trillion years the black hole evaporates enough letting him escape only to meet a silent and dark universe with no one else but his mangled immortal body to accompany him on his journey from now until there is nothing but himself completely.
>>78483165
Nobody can escape a black hole, fictional or otherwise
If they can, it's not a black hole
A black hole is defined as a set of events that doesn't exist to the rest of our universe
Nothing can ever enter the blackhole, from our perspective
That's why it's called an "event horizon"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNaEBbFbvcY
he'd just punch it away or something
>>78483834
I think lapis got to the nearest gem controlled planet and teleported from there. Still, her flying capabilities are fucking surprising, even if she only travelled within short distances such as the next planet to ours ( supposing there's another gem controlled planet in our vicinity).
>>78483568
rekt
>>78483165
The Darkness
>>78484157
Nah, he'd flatten it into a portal and teleport himself onto Bluto's spaceship.
>>78483222
> Hulk
> Deadpool, Wolverine
Can't fly in space... ?
"quantum singularity"
>>78484122
They are constantly leaking energy and information through hawking radiation. Too bad its so little that even the cosmic microwave background radiation is magnitudes stronger so they arent losing any mass yet.
>>78484083
A true immortal would be wise to spend its life finding a way to off himself if he doesnt want to float around in literal nothing for functionally forever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe
>>78484122
>Nobody can escape a black hole, fictional or otherwise
You need to read more fiction, then.
Black Holes are Obsolute in worlds where faster-than-light travel doesn't exist but in the comics we have characters who should be able to fly directly out of event horizon by going faster than c. Thats not even counting all the weird teleporters who could "cheat" their way out.
I'm at a loss of why someone this rigid is posting in /co/
>>78484256
Or turn himself into the new universe
>>78484299
being faster than light has nothing to do with escaping the black hole, that's just a misconception on your part
Watch the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNaEBbFbvcY
>>78484178
Unless there was a gem controlled world around Sol, she has an Alcubierre drive.Actually it's almost implied by future episode descriptions that the Moon has a Galaxy Warp, so she probably just flew there.
He can do it, with a little bit of help from his family.
>>78484299
>we have characters who should be able to fly directly out of event horizon by going faster than c.
Thus making them heavier than the black hole itself and just collapsing into one themselves.
>Thats not even counting all the weird teleporters who could "cheat" their way out.
Who would be dead beause they would be long dead from getting spaghettified and broken down to their constituent quarks and strings and beyond before they could even cross the event horizon.
I forgot just how poorly the black hole effects compress.
>>78484327
If you can bend space time such that you can move faster than light then you can negate the gravitational effects of a black hole within the event horizon.
>>78484381
Boy you seem to have a very hard time understanding that comic book characters are incredibly stupid and can do basically anything.
>but science-!
Science has no place in our funny pages.
Look, as far as the rest of the universe is concerned, there is no "inside the black hole"
everything stops at the event horizon. No events take place beyond it, as far as the rest of the universe is concerned.
For the entire lifetime of the universe, from now to infinity, nothing ever enters the black hole. Everything stops at the event horizon and freezes there as its time dilation becomes infinite
If you do enter the black hole, the rest of the universe won't exist once you cross that event horizon. The entire lifetime of the universe, from now til infinity, will have passed from your perspective once you enter the event horizon.
There no longer will be a universe waiting for you on the outside
once you cross the event horizon, the black hole is your universe, there is nothing else.
You cannot escape a black hole because there is nowhere to escape to
>>78484487
>NUH UH I HAVE INVISIBILITY ARMOR
Too bad black holes penetrate plot armor.
>>78483704
That planet was GOAT.
>>78484487
If you don't want science in the answer why have sciencey things like black holes in the question?
We are talking about real black holes right, the kind that are event-holes in the universe?
Or are we talking about some kind of dumbed down stupid version of blackholes which are just giant vacuum cleaners that suck real hard
If that's the case then yeah I guess anything that can fly real fast or jump real high could escape one
but that doesn't make for a very interesting discussion does it?
>>78484496
What if I dump a bunch of electrons into the black hole such that the electromagnetic repulsion surpasses the gravitational attraction?
>>78484568
Once you're in the event horizon, every direction you turn is "in", like some kind of Escher painting
Doesn't matter how you try and apply force, or which direction you try to go. Every way is in.
>>78484345
Damn, beat me to it.
Could Graviton use gravity to escape?
>>78484611
No, I mean from outside the event horizon. Pump in electrons from outside the event horizon. It will kill the black hole.
>>78484299
>I'm at a loss of why someone this rigid is posting in /co/
He's probably a legitimize autist, as shown by is inflexible thinking, rooted in absolutes, as well as the fact he is a 4chan poster.
>>78484682
No, it won't. Electromagnetic interactions are mediated by photons. Photons can't escape from the black hole, so any charge that goes in can't interact with any charge outside.
>>78484682
Again, if you're outside the event horizon, there is no "inside the black hole"
Everything you throw at the black hole, electrons or whatever, stops at the event horizon as it becomes frozen in time.
For the rest of the infinite life of the universe, those electrons will stay at the event horizon, frozen in time
>>78484735
The charge of the black hole would build up until electrons within the event horizon cannot reach the singularity. Add more and electrons would levitate even further from the singularity, the electromagnetic force being canceled out by the gravitational force, build up beyond the event horizon.
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/419351/how-to-destroy-a-black-hole/
>>78484766
>life of the universe
>infinite
Heat Death
Flash
His power is literally just 'move
>>78485277
Yeah, he survived the death of a universe and the creation of another just like it.
Galactus.
Its part of his Origin, actually.
>>78483222
>Hulk, Deadpool, Wolverine
Ok you're clearly retarded so let me explain. A black hole is not just a magic portal in space. It's a point where gravity is so intense that even light cannot escape. Anything that even gets close to a black hole is instantly crushed into a single infintesimally small point.
No amount of healing factor or physical strength is going to help you in such a situation.
Godzilla did it at least two times, in both a comic and a movie.
>>78484842
Watch it not happen ever.
>>78484157
>heyiaskedforspinichnotspaghettification AH-GUH-GUH-GUH-GUH...
>>78483222
This. >>78485690 Doomsday was a stretch. But Deadpool Hulk and Wolverine? They're strong but not that strong
>>78484842
>big crunch
>big bang
Nigger
>>78483704
Is that a planet covered in shallow ocean? Fuck I wanted to use that.
>>78483165
Squirrel Girl could
>>78483623
Gunbuster was the shit
>>78484055
Thanks for the read
>>78483723
Unfortunately all people know about them is "they're like balls right? And they're black. And they suck you in and you can't come back out. That's pretty much it right?"
>>78484396
Mr. Peabody and Sherman starring in "The acid trip"!
>>78483820
It was really scary when shit just started popping and blowing apart.
>>78485792
Yeah. It orbits close to a black hole. The tidal forces are so strong that huge tidal waves resonate across the surface of the planet. The constant tidal waves and the high gravity have pulverized the surface such that it's mostly flat with just a few feet of water covering most of the surface and most of the planet's water being caught up in the huge, mountain sized tidal waves.
It's a nifty idea.
>>78483623
God damn I love science
>>78483733
What were they even doing?
>>78485840
>the most expensive single object in human history silently disintegrating behind the protagonist
One of the most memorable cinematic moments I have ever experienced.
>>78485786
The expansion of the universe is increasing, not decreasing.
Entropy is going to win.
>>78483834
This is the hugest hole in that show and it's just... do they even know how space works in the slightest? Assuming the space in Steven Universe isn't different from ours which it might be because Steven can breathe pretty effortlessly in the upper atmosphere. I think she probably got to the moon and maybe there was a warp there? I hope we at least get to see how space travel works eventually. Jasper got to earth in no time but it's kind of strange nobody has come since if it's that easy.
Plus the fact that she can propel herself through space with wings. Steven's universe is weird.
>>78483820
I've noticed more and more writers paying attention to the nature of space as a vacuum in the last decade or so, probably the "in space, no one can hear you scream" meme becoming so entrenched in popular culture.
Still lots of writers just don't seem to give even the slightest shit about the way space and the universe work. I'm no scientist but at least I do my homework if I'm going to use space or something like that in a story.
Crazy feats like flying through the solar system really fast are impressive and awesome when the writer is aware of just how insane that is and conveys it properly, but it's just stupid and boring when it's obviously just that the writer has no clue how fucking vast a distance that is. There's a big difference between "Superman just literally pushed the Earth somewhere else" and "Superman used his fucking insane speed to increase his mass so much that it displaced the Earth's orbit" or some shit like that.
>>78484083
I'd love a story where Superman gets trapped in a black hole and the only way he can escape is by just literally breaking the laws of physics, like actually physically breaking barriers that represent the laws of physics. And then things are all fucked up and all bets are off when he gets out and fights the bad guy, and afterwards the Guardians or Monitors or someone fixes shit back up. Would be a good Crisis plot.
>>78484083
Sounds like a really good origin story
>>78484121
He meant black hole as in the spacetime phenomenon, not as in a black man's hole.
>>78484083
That end part happened to pic related if it's any consolation. Launched into space by a volcano and floated as a hunk of frozen matter throughout space forever, unable to die, but begging for death. Truly terrible fate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNDao7m41M
Just to put in perspective
>>78483890
Wha... so it's like... one and two dimensional objects are out floating in space? And there are weird cubes too? What do they do?
>>78485896
The description of the next Steven Bomb almost kind of sort of implies there is a Galaxy Warp on the Moon.
>>78484828
There's a "theoretically" missing from that click bait title.
>>78483978
That's an amazing sentance
>>78485916
I wonder if he'll ever come back. I was fucking glad he didn't even get death.
>>78485899
>Still lots of writers just don't seem to give even the slightest shit about the way space and the universe work. I'm no scientist but at least I do my homework if I'm going to use space or something like that in a story.
Sound is another way to engross the audience and make everything feel more visceral. It's a lot easier to pull off than making everything silent aside from the actor's breathing and the music.
>>78483623
See, all I can think of when you say this is "Holy shit, Stairway to Heaven being Gravity-Based isn't total horseshit?"
Fuck I can't find it. Who was that guy from an old cartoon who carried around little black spots that acted as portals?
>>78484396
Really stupid they break down into DNA. This is supposed to be educational.
>>78485973
>traveling outward in a vacuum going several thousand miles per hour
Unlikely
>>78483165
Thanos has done it.
>>78485875
We don't know how the universe works at all. Heat death is a theory that might not even be correct. We simply have no way of knowing.
>>78485875
How did the universe even start then, nigger.
Wait.
>Expansion
>Increasing
Nigger hold up, how is this in SUPPORT of entropy? Wouldnt DECREASE in movement support that? You're literally saying the universe is getting faster, which means its getting hotter.
>>78485846
I'm sad now. I thought I had the coolest idea and I would be the first to use it. Fuck.
>>78486046
>ignores data
>argument from ignorance
I'm getting too old for this shit.
>>78486073
>arrogance and assumption that current information is 100% complete and accurate to the universe
Retarded
>>78485899
>Still lots of writers just don't seem to give even the slightest shit about the way space and the universe work
Because nobody does. And let's be honest, most superhero writers aren't creative in the slightest so they wouldn't even get a kick out of trying to come up with something cool based off quantum physics or something.It's why I think manga superheroes are better because they actually think about how stuff would work and don't have to deal with decades of power creep.
>>78486052
Who was talking about the Big Bang? I was talking about Heat Death.
> You're literally saying the universe is getting faster, which means its getting hotter.
No, no one is saying that. Space is being created like the surface area of a balloon increases as it is inflated. The speed at which objects are moving through space (or across the surface of the baloon) remains unchanged.
>>78486024
You're forgetting it's Jojo, anon.
>>78486087
>LALALA! THE DATA DOESN'T COUNT IF I DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT! Also the fact that you are trying to use evidence means you are ARROGANT and therefore wrong. You can't know everything therefore you know nothing!
Am I falling victim to Poe's Law?
>>78485995
>Stairway
C'mon anon.
>>78486073
Every scientist knows that we don't know shit and a lot of what we think we know about that kind of thing is probably wrong because we're not looking at the big picture. All of the truly big stuff regarding space is untestable and all we have to go on is looking at how stars move and radiation. We're looking at the surface of the water trying to understand what's going on miles beneath. Then we observe stuff like Dark Flow and it puts it all into perspective.
He did it for the lulz.
>>78486142
That is literally an argument from ignorance.
You can't simply ignore the evidence we have because we don't know everything. We can never know everything.
>>78486199
>We can never know everything.
Exactly
>You can't simply ignore the evidence we have because we don't know everything
I'm not ignoring it. I recognize that people think heat death and entropy are going to do in the universe based on the less than 1% of actual knowledge he have on how the universe works. I also recognize since we know so little we can look at this evidence and pretend we kinda know, but we really don't. We don't know anything about what makes up a majority of the universe, dark energy. Is it not reasonable for me to assume we can't really be making even reasonably educated guesses on this stuff?
>Dr. Strange throws a black hole into another black hole
>negative ion radiation from each black hole reverses the gravitational polarity of each, creating a feedback loop in the event horizons and destroying the dark matter that creates the holes
>>78486255
Black holes eat eachother all the time. They just get bigger.
>>78486261
No no, you didn't listen. He THROWS a black hole into another, essentially giving it a case of space-time indigestion.
Having them eat eachother naturally is an entirely different process and doesn't involve time-space know-how.
>>78486253
"Believe" my ass. That's what the evidence supports.
You obviously don't WANT to believe in Heat Death, and I have little idea why that would be the case. Maybe it's against your fucking religion. You can't just cherry pick the evidence you want to use based on what you want to be true and use the excuse that we don't know everything to throw out the data you don't like.
>>78486289
>You can't just cherry pick the evidence you want to use
I don't have any evidence on what I want to use because we have so little evidence at all. Since heat death is the most reasonable thing we have come up with so far, I recognize the possibility, but it's just that. Unless you're actually saying that you know heat death will occur with absolute certainty.
>>78483704
that planet's time in the lime light was absolutely abysmal. not only was it a technical farce, but also a failure on the part of the characters.
>>78486343
I liked it. I liked the whole movie.
>>78486261
it's a joke, my man.
john constantine
Bugs Bunny.
Or any character with access to hammerspace/the 4th wall.
>ctrl f Manhattan
>0 results
I'm surprised
>>78486468
I was going to say it but I realized probably not because all Manhattan can do is manipulate his particles. If his particles got into a black whole there is nothing he could do.
>>78486573
hole*
>>78486573
He can instantly teleport.
>>78486613
By moving his atoms pretty sure.
>>78486632
Well he can "move his atoms" out of the black hole. Pretty sure Moore intended on Dr. M being able to teleport anywhere instantly.
That said, Alan Moore probably would have tried to make Dr. M kind of realistic in other ways by not violating a more blatant limitation like shit not being able to leave a black hole. Also being stuck in a black hole sounds tragic enough and extreme enough to take care of Dr. M for good.
>>78486679
>Well he can "move his atoms" out of the black hole
No. There's no reason to believe that. Moore definitely wanted it to be as realistic as possible so none of the bullshit on being able to escape a black hole would ever happen. Manhatten moves particles and atoms and that's how he does what he does. That should not be able to escape a black hole.
>>78486700
>That should not be able to escape a black hole.
But he could create a duplicate body, couldn't he? Or are those duplicates speed mirages, to use the Flash term?
>>78486750
I guess he could do that and if one were outside the black hole he could survive that way. I don't see any reason why he couldn't. Half his perception would also still be in the black hole which doesn't make any sense according to physics but he never totally did.
>>78483165
Dr. Manhattan.
That's it.
Bump for interesting topic
>>78486056
Use it anyway. Look at the amount of people that use the oh so original floating rocks in a sea of nothing. Just ignore it and move on.
>>78483165
>>78485921
I was looking forward to what the last image would be this time.
>>78485946
Mostly they're used to imprison screaming criminals.
>>78483800
>air
>in space
Okay, kid.
>>78483552
>Does she phase through gravity?
By phasing through mater she's phasing through potential barriers, so technically she could phase "through gravity".
>>78484202
>>78485690
>>78485781
Strength is redundant.
All that matters is being able to survive, and then being able to accelerate to beyond lightspeed under those conditions.
Superman can.
>>78483165
Supergirl easily flew into and out of a black hole.
>>78485690
Even Thor, Loki and the Hulk would've a very hard time getting out once they crossed the event horizon. Cause you know, at this point the escape velocity would need to be faster than the speed of light.
>>78485910
>>78483733
Robotnik's a good guy? That's....cool. Classic sound effects when jumping? Seems legit.
>>78485277
Yeah, this is really the guy. I mean the Speedforce literally just nullifies the laws of physics.
>>78483704
>>78486384
>>78486343
So did it irk anyone else that they used a rocket to escape earth gravity but were perfectly capable of escaping a planet with 1.3x earth gravity and a black hole with just a shuttle?
>>78483165
Pic related. They did it in this book
>>78488044
No, the only real flaw with them leaving the water world was their flight trajectory being the exact same as their entry. This couldn't feasibly work in the real world, they'd had to have left at a much, much different angle and gone the long way around to redock with the ship. I think it was more or less an oversight though, or film trickery to have the heightened tension of them escaping the wave just narrowly. In that sense, bending physics is a bit more acceptable.
I was under the impression the rocket was used to carry much of their supplies and the fertilized eggs to the ship for the final voyage since I believe they showed them actually in the lab on earth beforehand, but I could be mistaken. Either way they probably would have had to have used the rocket for any supplies anyway.
>>78483165
Black Holes aren't dangerous! Blacks Holes aren't anywhere near earth and you have nothing to worry about.
So... will our universe be fucked in our lifetime or not?
>>78488499
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum
>>78488584
Wait...
http://futurism.com/links/19700/
How this affects that theory?
So /co/, I hear you want to escape from a black hole.
>>78488130
Huh, yeah, I think you're right, the majority of their supplies and the embryos were taken up with the rocket.
>>78486384
Same
it's one of my favorites
>>78485973
Maybe if in the future we get JoJo IN SPACE
>>78488499
>>78488584
It could literally end in any second. On a smaller scale, we could be hit by a supernova, a rogue black hole or even just some random space rock at any moment with no warning whatsoever.
>>78489807
>with no warning whatsoever.
We have a bunch of people looking for that stuff. Why do people think we live in the hunter gatherer era with no one doing anything but eating and dicking around all day?
>>78489841
There is no way to detect a supernova shockwave or a a pulsar cone before they hit us becasue they move close to the speed of light. Less than 10% of the asteroids are tracked, and thats even just the detected ones. There is no way to detect a rogue black hole either, the only warning we would get is a bombardment of meteorites as it distrupts the asteroid belts moving through the solar system before the sun starts to unravel and planets get flung away or bathed in xrays from the accretion disc. A vacuum stability even is completely impossible to predict.
It seems you are the one living in the stone age, familia.
>>78485822
>"they're like balls right? And they're black. And they suck you in and you can't come back out. That's pretty much it right?"
Well, to be honest, black holes are VERY complex things with a simple, goofy name.
Of course the mouth-breathers are gonna seize on that.
But come on. Is /co/ full of mouth breathers? Don't leave anon hangin' now....
And yes, all the real info about black holes is available on the web these days. There is no excuse to be ignorant.
Hint: Singularities DO NOT EXIST in reality. In reality, there is structure and mechanism inside black hole event horizons, just like everywhere else.
Quantum gravity is awesomely cool shit, I hope I live long enough for the theories to get worked out.
>>78485848
>>>78483623
> God damn I love science
Black holes (really any ultra-strong gravity source) are time machines that only move you forward in time.
>>78485946
>>>78483890
>Wha... so it's like... one and two dimensional objects are out floating in space? And there are weird cubes too? What do they do?
No, no, anon. Topological defects are almost certainly an artifact of theory that's incorrect. They arise from brane theory, along with a lot of other things, but they are such high energy phenomena it's pretty much impossible to test.
And as Feynman said, if your theory doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
Since it's impossible to make an experiment to test this, this is wrong.
We just don't know HOW it's wrong. :)
Cool as shit ideas, though, huh?
>>78486052
>how is this in SUPPORT of entropy? Wouldnt DECREASE in movement support that? You're literally saying the universe is getting faster, which means its getting hotter.
Dark energy.
Which is the modern way of saying, "Well, we think the Universe is expanding faster every day because when we measure it as best we can it sure LOOKS like that.
But we don;t know what the fuck that means, or even how it's possible.
Maybe we measured it wrong, but if we did, we don't know how to fucking measure it any better.
Soooo..... Since we're the scientists, we'll ass-pull a bunch of math to make it match what we're seeing, call it a mystery name, and start trying to figure out what the flying fuck is going on."
There's a reason we need the thirty meter telescope and the square kilometer array and the LSST.
We've spent the last few thousand years looking for the edges of reality. In my lifetime, WE FOUND THEM!
The smallest it is possible to be is the Planck length, the biggest is the viewable horizon of the observable universe. I mean, we can SEE the cosmic background radiation!
Now we need to start looking at details. Time for much, much better tools.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Synoptic_Survey_Telescope
Good God, we live in an age of miracles.
>>78490077
We don't have Galactus level cosmic awareness, but we have a general awareness of our solar system, local galaxy, other nearby galaxies and the observable universe through cosmic rays and estimating possible activity, frequency and probability of events from how energetic emissions and phenomena are in locations.
We're not sitting on our ass in the dark and the Earth itself is not a stationary sitting duck waiting to get pounded by some curiously accurate apocalyptic event to kick off a Mad Max era.
>>78488584
>>>78488499
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum
Heh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_catastrophe
I love this shit.
The error between prediction and observation in the vacuum energy is the largest mistake that has ever been made.
It's very probably the largest mistake that it's possible TO make.
It's so bad they don't even call it a mistake. It's a catastrophe!
Scientists have no idea how all this shit works.
>>78490696
>For instance, the statement "the observable universe consists of exactly one elementary particle" is closer to being true, by at least ten orders of magnitude, than the incorrect vacuum-catastrophe prediction.
Why can't someone like Sebastian Shaw, assuming he could absorb energy indefinitely, just absorb the black hole?
Doctor Strange
>>78491154
>Why can't someone like Sebastian Shaw, assuming he could absorb energy indefinitely, just absorb the black hole?
Well, this assumes there's an internal structure to absorb.
If there's a firewall (unlikely) then yeah, he could absorb that. But it's a lot of energy.
Plus he'd have to survive to reach the event horizon. Which....he'd probably be fine with.
Crap, could be absorb the rotational energy of the ergosphere? Maybe?
But ehn, even if he did all that, the relativistic effects of the high gravity would shoot him a trillion years into the future, and all the mass-energy he absorbs will just cause him to form his own event horizon.
>>78483165
Superman in almost all his iterations can. Heck, Nu52 survived more than 40 of them.
>>78488183
Fucking black hole posters.
Iron Fist.
>>78487416
He's not a good guy per se he just hangs out with them now and is occasionally antagonistic. Like the Ice King. He has the best design ever now though.
>>78489841
It's very very unlikely but we really don't know how many dangerous sized asteroids are out there right now so one totally could just slam into us any minute. But it's very unlikely. It's even less likely that a black hole is just shooting towards us and avoiding everything else so we don't detect it. A gamma ray burst could absolutely hit us at any time, once again. Unlikely. What's most likely is a coronal mass ejection from our sun hitting us and fucking up all of our electronics.
All the relative time bullshit is why space travel as we think it should be is pretty much not viable and scary. Say goodbye to the brilliant scientists on the first light speed drive, you will never see them again. Hopefully we can develop wormhole technology or something.
>>78486128
Phone died before I could verbally ream you last night.
>there's nothing humanity doesn't already know! The fact the people at the top of scientific advancement constantly say otherwise and admit we learn more everyday and there's a stunning amount we've yet to uncover is completely inconsequential! I think this moment is the pinnacle of where humanity could ever be with the knowledge of the universe!
So as I said the first time
You=retarded
Am I falling victim to poe's law?
/latepost
>>78484496
Black holes are spooky
>>78494312
It's not so much asteroids as it is comets. we've catalogued most of the extinction size astroids but we still know practically nothing about the Oort Cloud (the halo of objects at the edge of the solar system). When they enter the inner solar system they can be going at tremendous speeds, and it's completely unknown. Most are probably small but it's just not known well enough.
>>78483165
Kamala could use the no hairs theorem to shrink out of a blackhole.
>>78484496
still on the edge of physics because quantum gravity is unknown. You are right that time dilation goes to infinity AT THE SINGULARITY, not at the horizon though. So things do pass, however, the light emitted from them is red shifted forever until no photons are left emitted, meaning it crossed the even horizon. It's complicated, but basically it has to do with frames of reference, the object will have entered but from our frame of reference it's just VERY dark.
Like I said, the thing mucking up all our theories is that there is no theory of quantum gravity. So while Hawking radiation has been a wonderful showing of how to bring quantum mechanics and gravity together, it's a very small part of the picture. There are a multitude of theorys as to what happens at the event horizon of a black hole, from stuff like hairy balls where the even horizon is not a smooth surface but a fuzzy ball, to firewalls where all information is destroyed, to , my favourite, quantum entangled particles all exist inside and out of the horizon. My fav because it's so weird and would impact our idea of quantum entanglement as well as black hole physics.
/rant
who could escape a black hole:
reality warpers
faster than light speed travellers like The Flash
Graviton
sufficiently powerful magicians
>>78484327
fuck off back to /mlp/ fag
>all these armchair physicists
>>78483985
Madcap and Loki can just walk off panel to where they want to go.
![10994270_546864295453609_4854138738549716656_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8N281MO.jpg "10994270_546864295453609_4854138738549716656_n[1].jpg")
>>78485973
he came back in the non-canon light novel Jorge Joestar, Then Killer Queen decided to become his stand instead. He found heaven, and was able to time travel even to previous iterations of the universe.
It was weird
>>78483165
Void
>>78487283
Superman is hero who can do whatever the plot fucking demands.
>>78495388
well, in the marvel universe if you shrink enough you reach the microverse, so probably
>>78497950
Second
>>78485921
>The largest known black hole is more massive (several times folded) than our galaxy, even it's diameter exceed the Milky Way's size by pentillions
>>78484083
Maybe eventually he will hit another universe or another one will just begin to be
>>78485921
I love this video
>Huge square of millions of sons
>zoom in like it's going to say how many
>Nope it's a fucking cube
>Nope it's multiple cubes, it's a giant cube made of a bunch of cubes made of hundreds of cubes
>>78498304
Or he can use his ability to regenerate, which can create mass somehow, and force himself to become the new universe over several millennia. Like he could rub two "hands" together so hard it causes his skin to burn off and then his regenerative ability kicks in. Allowing him to do this indefinitely until that nasty amount of skin becomes planet sized and then over time the first star in mega aeons.
Also for the sake of it let's say he contorts himself back into a humanoid form over time.
>>78483723
learn moar cosmology and physics, anon.
>A galactic core size black hole, believe it or not, is less hazardous than a stellar mass black hole. Tidal forces won't spaghettify you.
yes they will.
> Frame dragging is one of those things that's...really hard to understand, and pretty much totally lethal.
lol wat? as a large object rotates, it drags the fabric of space-time with it. there, that's frame dragging. the earth does it. GPS has to account for it. it's not fatal.
>Is the hole actively acreting?
you're right, but you didn't say WHY. WHY = radiation. As in "all the radiation".
>Is quantum gravity real? Because if it isn't then there might be an information paradox firewall right inside the event horizon, and that's...pretty much curtains.
>If quantum gravity IS real, then you can survive inside the event horizon.
we simply have no idea what happens inside the event horizon, full stop.
>>78487283
thats fucking stupid
>>78498013
Well, yeah... that's pretty much his point, he wont lose unless he is fighting a cosmic force.
>>78483537
>>78483499
>Kitty Pryde
it would be like that one Batman Beyond episode where the guy forever falls toward the center of the earth
so... no
>>78500461
she can float and walk on nothing while intangible
>>78500716
This is true, but it's hard to figure out Kitty.
I think she was in a space bullet once but earlier than that she needed to hold her breath while intangible because she still needed to breath but it just sort of wavers about based on the writer. Still if that was the case then being unaffected by the black hole wouldn't help her what with the lack of air for quite some distance.
>>78500990
last I read, her needing to breathe while intangible was a mental thing rather than an actual need, and one she got over
>>78501118
Ah, well, she's fine then I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nHBGFKLHZQ
>>78500990
>>78500716
The whole "able to walk over air" thing was established when she was first introduced - we see Kitty break the X-Men's danger room by phasing through all the cutting saws, squishing walls and then phasing over trap doors that open underneath her *while she's blind folded*.
Note she was also introduced for the first time in the Days of Future Past thing, so she does all this shit in the danger room, takes off her blindfold, goes "oy vey, I survived quite a shoah!" then faints because future Xavier sends future Kitty's mind back to erase and overwrite past Kitty's mind so she and the X-Men can protector senator thingie from the Slutfire Club and thus stop the Sentinels taking over.
>>78485690
It's like saying someone who's really good at punching can hurt the wind.
>>78503192
Saitama could do itYou thought you could go through this whole thread with no mention of OPM? Fat chance!
>>78491421
>the relativistic effects of the high gravity would shoot him a trillion years into the future, and all the mass-energy he absorbs will just cause him to form his own event horizon.
sounds like there's potential there
>>78485690
Hulk gets mad enough he can do anything
It's his plot
I think it was in Morrison's JLA that Wonder Woman was able to pull J'onn out of a black hole.
>>78483401
This needs to be drawn.
/co/, you sound a lot like /m/ and /tg/. What happened, I thought you guys hated science? Today was a good day.
>>78505603
Since when have we hated science?
>>78505603
It's often that comics blatantly ignore science, so that leads us into discovering why exactly that thing this character did is total bullshit.
Also powerlevel/feat threads lead us into all sorts of mathematics.
/co/...Hey /co/ listen to me for a moment. What if...just listen. But what if we are the black hole? What if 4 chan is us; a group of scientist that got stuck in a black hole and forgot that we were scientist on a mission?
>>78505603
/co/ really stands for /co/smology
>>78483666
this.
The big G has and can survive a black hole.
>>78505936
In a way, we are very very trapped. The accelerating rate of expansion is slowly shrinking the size of the reachable and observable universe. As space inflates faster and faster, photons make it shorter and shorter relative distances before being redshifted into invisibility. Galaxies are disappearing from our sky one by one. And eventually, all of them but our own will be gone. They will be moving away from us so fast, we will never be able to reach them or even see them ever again.
And it doesn't stop there. If expansion continues to accelerate, it will eventually grow even stronger than the gravity holding our galaxy together. Now stars within our galaxy will begin to disappear as space fills in between them faster than gravity can offset it. The skies will go dark, and soon, even the gravity keeping planets in orbit around stars cannot offset the space between them being expanded faster and faster. Star systems fly apart, and nothing and no one in the universe ever sees visible light again.
But it still doesn't stop there. The expansion of space is still accelerating. And it has 4 fundamental forces to overpower. Gravity will be first to go. Galaxies and star systems have already decayed, now space starts to rip apart bodies held together by gravity, everything that isn't a black hole gets ripped into bits and particles still held together loosely with electromagnetism. But, even that get overpowered eventually. Space pulls apart things held together with magnetism and eventually even rips electrons away from atomic nuclei. All matter in the universe now exists as nuclei and other particles drifting away from each other as expansion continues to accelerate. And it gets worse. Soon even the strong force is defeated. Every atomic nucleus in the universe is torn apart, and eventually all that remains is an increasingly thinning cloud of indivisible elementary particles.
That's the Big Rip scenario. My favorite theory of the fate of the Universe.
Dr. Doom
Manipulating Space Time is child's play to him.
>>78506721
We'll be a unified ascended consciousness hanging out in another dimension by then if we aren't destroyed before that point.
>>78506864
"We" won't do any of that because we'll be dead. Ascending as a species into a unified consciousness takes a fucklot of time.
this madman
>>78507020
And how long do you think this >>78506721 is going to take? That's billions of years before it starts to effect anything. At the rate we're advancing we'll be there in another million years.
This thread is fucking terrifying.
>>78483165
Stardust all the way. In fact I think he did at one point.
>>78494883
Dude, you are saying the expansion of the universe isn't accelerating for no fucking reason. You are a dumbass. It's beyond me why you would care so much about cosmology to be biased against it.
>>78507207
I think you meant to say "is" and whether you did or not all he's saying is that it's stupid for someone to act like the small amount of data we have now is enough to say with certainty anything about the larger universe.
>>78507128
It's not that bad if you consider that all the end of the universe scenarios and black holes are very, very unlikely to affect you personally, or wreak havoc on our system in our lifetimes. So don't sweat it.
Even within just the history of the earth since life started to form, humanity is a teeny tiny blip.
>>78507237
>I think you meant to say "is"
No. The anon is trying to claim the expansion rate of the universe ISN'T accelerating by ignoring evidence.
>>78487121
Yeah, usually it's "Ur mom". Still, not disappointed this time either.
What about the Celestials? Aren't they supposed to be stronger than Galactus?
Whoever was needed to escape to further the story, obviously.
>>78483165
Dazzler could turn a black hole into a super weapon and destroy entire galaxies.
>>78483292
I think the exact thing happened in one of those lego DC specials. If you wanna count those.
>>78500716
>goes into blackhole
>smiles jewishly
>"see guys I told you I can do it!"
>"guys?"
>nothing but infnite blackness, a trillion years have passed, the stelliferous era is long over
Time dilation be a cruel mistress, yar.
>>78490512
Except when it comes to not being a shitstupid race.
>>78489650
I'm actually using that as the basis for a table top scifi horror one shot game none of the players know is secretly a JoJo game.
